Vegas Is Thinking Western Conference Finals After OT Heroics

Summary

Empty Netters Podcast Episode Summary

Episode: "Vegas Is Thinking Western Conference Finals After OT Heroics"
Date: May 13, 2026
Hosts: Almost Friday Media brothers

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Empty Netters gang dives deep into the recent NHL playoff action, focusing on the high-stakes Buffalo Sabres vs. Montreal Canadiens matchup and a thrilling Vegas Golden Knights vs. Anaheim Ducks OT game. The crew also serves up their signature banter, including strong movie opinions and hot takes on controversial referee decisions. The episode delivers insightful hockey analysis, sheds light on the drama fueled by video reviews, and spotlights key player performances and tactical nuances.

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Main Discussion Points

1. (00:00-06:16) Off-topic Banter: Devil Wears Prada 2 Review

• Quick detour as the hosts glowingly review "The Devil Wears Prada 2."
• Debate over sequel quality:
  • A: “Devil Wears Prada 2 is a perfect sequel. And it's better than the first one.” (03:03)
  • B: “Incorrect. It's not better than the first one, but it is exactly as a sequel should be.” (01:10)
• Commentary on generational movie preferences with classic host roast:
  • A: “I don't think that there's a bunch of Gen Z, Gen Alpha fuck bags who are going to see Top Gun Maverick…” (04:37)
• Promise to get to hockey soon: “Let's move off Devil Wears Prada. We got a lot of hockey to talk about.” (06:01)

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2. (06:17-34:11) Buffalo Sabres vs. Montreal Canadiens: The Replay Drama & Game Recap

Quick Game Summary

• Buffalo starts strong, scoring early in a hostile Bell Centre.
• Controversial disallowed goal after dual video reviews—total replay time: ~10 minutes.
• Buffalo ultimately prevails but with caveats.

Timestamps & Key Moments

[06:17-11:30]

• Hosts focus on Buffalo’s fiery start and the “sick pass” for the opening goal.
• Early controversy: Did a Sabres goal cross the line?
  • Toronto (NHL command center) requests video review.
  • A: “That puck is so clearly in to me. Like, literally, dude, it takes two angles...” (09:15)
  • B: “This could have been and should have been a 60 second replay.” (09:17)
• Host wishes: Quicker, more decisive calls from replay—fans would respect it.

[11:30-19:24]

• After the goal is (finally) called good, Montreal immediately challenges for goalie interference.
• Exasperated hosts criticize NHL’s replay flow:
  • B: “Why can't we look at that stuff at the same time?” (11:39)
  • A: “It annoys me that the refs and the Death Star on Toronto admit that they go, we actually didn't see goalie interference at all until the coach challenged it” (12:26)
• Second review removes the Buffalo goal due to “stick-on-glove” goalie interference.
  • A: “There is 0, 0, 0 intent by Quinn to push that glove. That is clear.” (16:56)

[19:24-34:11]

• Immediate impact: Canadiens’ Newhook scores right after disallowed goal.
• Discussion on frustrations with ambiguous “goalie interference” calls and the limits of replay.
• Host gripes with official NHL rules expert Dave Jackson always siding with the league:
  • A: “It is insulting that the NHL employs a former NHL ref…to come on and piss in my mouth and tell me it’s raining. Correct, dude.” (20:20-20:38)
  • Solution: Change his on-air assignment to explain—not judge—calls.

Notable Quotes

• B: “If it takes you that long to figure it out, then don’t change the call.” (09:53) [quoting McDavid]
• A (on the emotional rollercoaster): “It just felt like they were like this: ‘What can we come up with to make this goal not stand and help Montreal out?’” (13:12)
• B: “You’re dead, dude. You’re fucking dead.” (25:21) [on Buffalo's mood after late first period]

Hosts’ Key Insights

• NHL’s replay system is overcomplicated and disrupts game flow.
• Challenges should be bundled with initial reviews to avoid double jeopardy.
• Goalie interference rules, as called, lack clarity and consistency.
• Disallowed goal and quick Montreal response changed game momentum.

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3. (34:11-58:14) Vegas Golden Knights vs. Anaheim Ducks: OT Thrills & Big Hits

Overall Game Recap

• Fast, physical, evenly matched game.
• Major penalty to McNabb for dangerous (late) hit on Paling—ejection and likely suspension.
• Ducks' powerplay struggles despite major opportunity.
• Standout performances: Cutter Gauthier for Anaheim, Scoraf (Dorofeyev) nets OT winner for Vegas.

Timestamps & Key Moments

[37:55-44:55]

• Hosts dissect McNabb’s huge interference penalty:
  • B: “The puck is going the other way in the zone, and there is a full two Mississippi…” (41:04)
  • The ejection: “When you commit an egregious infraction…and it knocks a player out of the game…I’m like, get the fuck out of here, dude. You’re out of control.” (44:38)
  • Likely one-game suspension coming.

[46:11-52:39]

• Ducks get a 5-minute power play; only score once.
  • B: “For four minutes, the Ducks passed it around…and did nothing…Never have I been more on the side of ‘shoot people!’” (46:12)
• Play-by-play: Vegas’ Marner denied on breakaway, not awarded penalty shot, which hosts see as another officiating inconsistency.

[52:39-58:14]

• Overtime arrives after tying goal from Zellweger, thanks to a slick setup from Gauthier.
• The OT game-winner:
  • B: “Jack [Eichel]’s pass, I think it hit a skate on the way, ricochets off Dostal…and then Scoraf rips it out of fucking midair off the back bar.” (59:01-59:37)
• Hosts award the game the official “Empty Netters Great Action” stamp.

Notable Quotes

• B: "This is the most slept on, literally, series in the playoffs because it's late and no one's watching, but it's awesome." (38:54)
• A: "When you do something so egregiously illegal and it knocks a player out of the game with an injury, I'm like, get out of here, dude." (44:38)

Insights & Analysis

• Losing core players mid-game leads to major tactical juggling.
• Ducks’ offense still creating chances, but power play needs to capitalize.
• Vegas shows playoff resilience—especially from emerging stars and depth (notably Hurdle and Dorofeyev/Scoraf).

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4. (58:14-65:10) Listener Q&A & Roundtable Analysis: Ducks' Youth Movement

• Live YouTube audience Q&A section, including special guest Johnny Laz.
• Discussion on Ducks’ offensive streaks, the usage of young talent, and coach Quenneville’s aggressive deployment of rookies—especially Leo Carlson.
• Comparison of young playoff breakouts: “We're seeing this…change in narrative where it's almost a benefit for the guys who don't have playoff experience because they just don't really know any better." (65:57, voice of Johnny Laz via John Tortorella)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NHL’s replay issues:
  • A: “We are taking replay review and challenge too far because that was just like a ready to play game. And it goes, Goal. And then…” (18:59)
• On broadcast critique:
  • A: “For the ESPN announcers to go, ‘that actually looks like an old cut from Darlene that he might be trying to reopen’ is crazy work as a broadcaster.” (36:00)
• On Ducks Powerplay Frustration:
  • B: “Never have I been more on the side of the ‘shoot people’ than this power play.” (46:12)
• On Dorofeyev:
  • B: “Ridiculous, ridiculous pass from Cutter [Gauthier] … and then Scoraf rips it out of fucking midair off the back bar.” (59:01)
• Empty Netters “Great Action” Stamp:
  • B: "[Vegas, Anaheim, Game five] — Great action. The stamp of approval is on the screen right now." (57:01)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | Content | |----------|----------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Cold open / Devil Wears Prada 2 | Warm-up movie discussion and banter | | 06:16 | Hockey talk begins: Sabres vs. Habs recap | Game begins, Buffalo quick start | | 07:28 | Buffalo's controversial disallowed goal | Deep dive into replay/goal review drama | | 12:26 | Goalie interference/dual reviews | Systemic issues with NHL replay and challenges | | 19:24 | Immediate Montreal goal after reversal | Shift in game momentum | | 20:00 | Ref-bashing: Dave Jackson’s broadcast role | Debate on league-employed officiating analysts | | 34:11 | Goalie performances: UPL & Dobes | Credit and critique for both teams’ netminders | | 37:55 | Ducks/Knights Analysis / McNabb ejection | Major hit ejection discussion / flow-on effects | | 46:11 | Ducks’ 5-min PP & Vegas’ Marner breakaway | Power play woes, penalty shot debate | | 58:14 | Listener Q&A and roundtable discussion | Ducks’ youth, tactical strategy in playoffs |

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Tone & Style

• Fast-paced, irreverent, often expletive-filled ("fucking," "twat," etc.)
• Brothers display classic sibling chemistry—playful insults, side tangents, deadpan delivery.
• No-nonsense critique of hockey broadcasting, officiating, and team decisions.
• Deeply knowledgeable about NHL, peppered with pop culture references.

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Summary

This episode of Empty Netters splits time between heated hockey debates and signature brotherly banter. The crew dissects two pivotal playoff games, drawing out the drama behind controversial video reviews and their impact on momentum and outcomes. They call out officiating inconsistencies, explore the sudden rise of young NHL talent in the postseason, and spotlight crucial player performances on both winning and losing sides. Special guest Johnny Laz joins for Q&A, providing added depth and flavor to the Ducks-Knights discussion. In classic Empty Netters fashion, it’s a mix of sharp hockey insight and off-the-rails entertainment—a must-listen for fans following the final playoff push.

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Transcript

[A]

Ice is ready. And we are back with another episode of the Empty Netters podcast, brought to you by BetMGM Live Edition. We're here on Wednesday morning. Two unbelievable games last night. Every single live episode we start, CP is hunched over his computer like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, looking like a weirdo in a editing den because people

[B]

had the over under at six and a half minutes late and they just lost.

[A]

You just lost, folks. Suck on that. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, folks. Thinking that we're gonna be late. How dare you? I do. I do need a water, though, and I might. You know what? Let's do a 10 minute delay and I'm gonna go grab a water. No, no, no. I saw Devil Wears Prada too, last night.

[B]

Oh, nice. Damn. Now I want to talk about that the whole time.

[A]

We're going to talk about that for at least a little bit. Let people get into the waiting room because everyone thinks we're gonna be late.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So we gotta give people a buffer.

[B]

I also have some stuff to discuss, but go on.

[A]

Okay. Devil wears Prada 2 is a perfect sequel. And it's better than the first one.

[B]

Incorrect. It's not better than the first one, but it is exactly as a sequel should be. I think you're right about that.

[A]

It is 100% better than the first one.

[B]

No, the first one's tremendous.

[A]

The first one is tremendous. But this movie is stupendous.

[B]

No, it's. It's also tremendous.

[A]

It's literally a perfect sequel. They did not. They did. They did not miss a single step.

[B]

I loved that.

[A]

There was only one. We're not going to spoil it because it's still in theaters. There was only one part early on that I was like, oh, don't do that. And then they just perfectly let it linger. They let it hang and dangle and tempt us with the potential of it being bad and solved and handled it perfectly.

[B]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[A]

And I was like, this is incredible.

[B]

Yeah. And here's the big thing, dude.

[A]

The Devil Wears Prada is. Is a phenomenal movie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's a very sad movie. People don't acknowledge that dude. Like in that movie, Andy's relationship gets blown up. Yep. Andy has terrible taste in men, by the way.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like Nate. Nate's not a good dude. He's not a bad dude, but he's not a good dude.

[B]

Yeah. He doesn't respect her for changing Nate.

[A]

Yeah. So terrible taste in men, but her relationship blows up to the point where they're like, you know, she leaves the job, the issues they had is gone, but they're still not getting back together. Because it's like, yeah, this isn't working. So she leaves said, great job. Cause she can't handle it. And she's like, all right, let's see if I can become a journalist. God knows how fucking that's gonna go. Miranda is like a bad, backstabbing person to keep the job. And the people above her were also bad backstabbing people who are potentially gonna fuck her over unless she figured something out. The tooch gets fucked over and he just sits there and he's like, well, you know, she'll. She'll take care of me eventually. She has to, right?

[B]

Yep. Everything.

[A]

Everyone is left in a, like, bad place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this movie, no spoilers. Is just perfect. It's.

[B]

It's a delightful.

[A]

It's a delight. And it's what you always ask for.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're always like this. Whatever happened to movies getting off their high horse and stop going, we need to have this big poignant. Oh, and everything. Bad things happen because the world isn't perfect. We go to movies to escape. We want good stories. This is exactly what that movie did.

[B]

And we had gotten this scoop for. We saw it, both of us. But I loved the choice of some. Some sequels. I will say Top Gun Maverick, perfect example, can go. This completely services the people that liked the original. But also, if you are new to the game, if you've literally never seen the first, you could go to Top Gun Maverick and go like this. That movie was gas. Because you would just. You wouldn't get it as fully as I got it, but you would go, that. That was sick. I had a great time.

[A]

I think that happened here too.

[B]

No, I think this movie is more for the people that know these characters. Because now it's just like these older people who are like, oh, my God, like, no, the young demo, I don't think is going to love this movie as much as the young demo loved Devil Wears Prada. If you've never seen the first, which. Not their fault. I'm saying I love this choice. Thank you for just giving us their story. I wanted the story of those people.

[A]

You're trying to say that a young generation loves Top Gun Maverick more than a young generation loves Devil Wears Prada too. Yeah. I think you're wrong. I don't think that there's a bunch of Gen Z, Gen Alpha fuck bags who are going to see Top Gun Maverick.

[C]

Fuck bags. Whoa.

[B]

It's 8:30, Dan. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just assaulting my whole generation completely. Just bam.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, I did. I. I didn't mean you. And I didn't mean to imply they're all bags, but I don't think that there's a bunch of them who went and saw Top Gun Maverick without having seen Top Gun, and they're like, this. This movie is gas, dude. I don't think that happened.

[B]

I think it did. I. Yeah, there's at least 10, maybe more.

[A]

Oh, God. I'm not sure that that happened, but if it did, kudos to them. Either way, I'm excited to see it again. Everyone looked beautiful. Holy shit, dude.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like, I mean, Meryl and Emily, all. They look more beautiful now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's been 20 years. They all look more beautiful to. More beautiful.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Also Kenneth Branagh. The man.

[B]

The man, dude.

[A]

Justin Theroux. So funny. I thought he was awesome. He was.

[B]

He was perfect. Just saying hello, dude. Do you remember that? Yes.

[A]

He was perfect. Okay, let's move off Devil Wears products. We got a lot of hockey to talk about. As you can see, one game tonight. We had the two games last night, but Devil Wears product is sick. Go see it.

[B]

Go see it right now.

[A]

All right, Buffalo. Montreal gets all tied up. What do you think about the Sabers?

[B]

Okay. Incredible start. And Obviously Buffalo scored 50 seconds into game three in the bell. Center Lindy Ruff said, we need. We need a quick start. You got to shut that crowd up. And then Montreal scored pretty quickly, and then nothing worked. This one, even better of a start. I think the shots were 8:1 at one point. Buffalo's all over him. Yeah. And I actually was really proud of them in that moment, even if they were going to lose. And it all went to hell. I wasn't sure yet, but just in that moment, down to one kind of saying. You know, we said with Marty the other night, they. You got to have this one and you. And you know, you got to have this one for the first time in playoffs, you know, you. If we lose, we're dead and you're in the most hostile place in the league. It. I could have seen Buffalo come out and just be fucking up trying too hard. The emotions get the better than whatever. Incredible start to a road game. They get the first goal, which was a sick pass. Norris over to Sammy 1t off Dovish's foot and in.

[A]

Samuelson had such a good game.

[B]

And then you get. You think you go up too well, you.

[A]

Wow. You want to get into this right away.

[B]

That's. This Happened right away.

[A]

It did happen.

[B]

This happened. This is the first thing that happened to this game of note where I was, oh my God.

[A]

I thought this entire thing was depressing. Okay, what happened to the game? I love.

[B]

Here's what sucks.

[A]

What? Hey, what happened to it?

[B]

Bucci said this in the Vegas game where he goes. And I don't know, I'd like actually maybe the chat to weigh in, but I don't know what people's opinion is of replay. But Bucci said, man, these other sports have really gotten this down pretty quickly.

[C]

Where.

[B]

Because that was always the fear. Everyone was like, I don't want replay. The games are going to take a thousand hours. I'm like, get the call right, idiots. But anyway, Bocce was like, other sports have gotten replay down really quickly and some of this stuff is taking forever. And he was talking about the Vegas game. But in this game, the Toronto, by the way, and this wasn't even a coach challenge. The Toronto, the, the command center, the control center in heads to the death, sir goes Buzz. I think that was it. Quinn. I think that Quinn shot might have gone in. So this so great. I love that shit. Because if the fucking puck went in, I would like to know about it. So Toronto buzzes, we stop the game and look at it and dude, that puck is so clearly in to me. Like, literally, dude, it takes two angles. One, you can see almost his full glove behind the goal line. Two in the other angle, the front one, you can see the puck is vertical.

[A]

They zoom in on the logo on it.

[B]

It's not even. It's vertical. So I'm like, this could have been and should have been a 60 second replay. I would have gone in and gone like this.

[A]

And I wish, okay, yeah, that's it. I wish I implore the refs and the Death Star in Toronto to, to go. And I actually think fans will like it and respect it. If they come out immediately and they go, oh yeah, took one look at it, it's a goal. Same because people, anyone who goes, that's all, that's.

[B]

You only looked at it that long.

[A]

I think more people will go, yeah, because it was obvious we're moving on here. I think they'll respect that.

[B]

It's also the McDavid comment about offside where he was like, if it takes you that long to figure it out, then, then don't change the call. You know, if you, if we have to look at someone's skate for 10 minutes and we still don't know, then whatever you said, the first place is fine.

[A]

I feel like this was a good time. To quote Ted Lasso, these. These goals, these goal reviews need to be more like pornography. It's hard to describe, but you know when you say it.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's a. That's a senator or something. Like someone in government said. That's correct. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I was already annoyed because I was like, what are we looking at for 10 minutes when everyone on earth with a brain knows this puck is in the net. Correct. So then. And, dude, you were saying. I forget what you said to me, but I said to you that they were going to job them. I was like, I guarantee they come out of this and go, we can't tell. Inconclusive. Credit to the crew. Credit to the refs for coming out and going like this. We have a good goal because it was a good goal. So thank you. Took a long time, but thank you. Bang. Two, nothing. Crowd devastated. It's always funny when you get a goal like that, by the way. Like, on the bench, everyone's like, hey. And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. So credit to the rest.

[A]

There's nothing funnier than that in soccer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because these players, then they go and do, like, their goal celebration after the corner flag. Jesus Christ.

[B]

So, anyway, credit to the refs. Two, nothing. Buffalo. And I'm thinking, wow, something's cooking here. Something's cooking here. Excited to see Montreal's response. Montreal's response is to go, that does not count.

[A]

Challenge.

[B]

Challenge for goalie interference. And I started laughing hysterically before I even saw a single replay, because I was like, here we go, dude, this. This is the most typical. We're going to look at this thing for 10 minutes, realize it went in, and then. And then realize, oh, it's actually goalie interference. And, dude, I don't know why we can't look at that stuff at the same time. Like, why can't he go, oh, my God. Just to be clear, if you're looking. If this went in, also look if it's goal interference, because we will be challenging.

[A]

After I texted you and Wyatt exactly that, I was like, this is so dumb. Because if that's goal interference, they should review the goal as they did, and they should have gone. The puck completely crossed the goal line. But we have deemed that there was goalie interference. Like, it's. It annoys me that the refs and the Death Star on Toronto admit that they go, we actually didn't see goalie interference at all until Marty St. Louis challenged it that makes me go, that is bullshit.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We don't know what goalie interference is then. If that's what you're admitting here, which they kind of admitted. Yes. And I don't like that at all. So I think it is annoying that you can have a 10 minute review of a goal, call it a good goal and then let a coach go. But what about goalie interference? What other double jeopardy can I pull here? What other whatever uno reverse card can I pull out of my asshole to get this goal? Goal. Am I okay? I'm having a stroke to get this goal called back.

[B]

Yeah, call 911.

[A]

Someone call 9 1. Call my mom. Yeah, call my mom. I'm having a stroke. It just felt like they were like this. What? What can we come up with to make this goal not stand and help Montreal out? That's how it felt. I'm not saying that now.

[B]

What did you think once they chance for goal interference and you saw the replay? What you think?

[A]

I think this. It's what I said earlier. What happened to the game. I love that is what is going through my head. And I say that because you know what I love? I got.

[B]

I, I.

[A]

There's no way I can find him through all the notifications. But the keep this up folks on X, nothing makes me laugh harder than when we make a comment on X and a person with a jock riding Twitter name that's like Habs fan064 or their profile egg photo is a player on the Habs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're not putting a photo of themselves. They're putting a player of a grown ass man on a team they root for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they go, it's clearly blah, blah, blah. Watch the fucking game, fellas. And I'm like, oh, I can watch.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sick.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

I didn't know. Do you think that I'm not watching the game?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You fucking twat. I love those homer comments. And what is clear to me on the replay is that Quinn stick does touch dovish his glove. Yep. No question. And Biz, credit to Biz was like going so hard. Like Biz is fully on his Montreal train.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like he was going at people being like, you fucking idiots who can't see that that clear touches the glove and pushes it in the net. Blah, blah, blah. Like he was on one and I loved it.

[B]

In the the broadcast I was watching with the volume on. They were looking at who is it that goes across the net? Like, who has the puck? I can't remember because I can't see it. In this replay. But whoever. Whoever drives the puck hard across the net trying to score for Buffalo. They were saying, like, he nicks Dobish on the way and then a. The Habs defenseman who. See if. I see if that's visible here. The Habs defenseman comes through and kind of drills Dobish, frankly, with no push. No push at all. Sometimes it's like, oh, the forward gets drilled or, you know, his own player gets drilled by. By someone on the other team. That's. This is literally the. The Buffalo player goes across kind of Nick's dovish Habs defenseman who's crashing down, hits Dobish way harder. And I. The broadcast I was watching was like aiming at the Buffalo player who net drove. And I'm like, dude, yes, maybe his skate gets a bit of Dobish, but then his own defenseman murders him. Like, frankly, Dan, I think if I did commit goalie interference against you, but then your own teammate steamrolled you without me doing anything, and then my team scored, I would go, that's a goal. Even if my act was literally goalie interference, because I'd be like, it's negated by your guy murdering the goalie. It doesn't matter. But I'm looking at this replay and again, this was not discussed when I was watching on tv and I didn't see biz in between periods because I went to talk to you. Actually, the Quinn stick hits him in the glove.

[A]

Yes. And that is the only thing that is being discussed here. Anyone who was having discussion on the contact before that is a. Is confused fool. Yes, well, they're just confused. That is not Quinn's stick touching the glove is what the goalie interference call was. The reason I don't like it is because in my opinion, there is 0, 0, 0 intent by Quinn to push that glove. That is clear. Oh, there's a puck there. I'm batting it towards the net. Follow through on his shot. That nicks the glove.

[B]

Yep. And what's the rule on that, do you know?

[A]

I. I don't know. But the. I hate it. Because if you watch a live replay, a full speed replay of it, you don't even see him.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't.

[A]

And that's. That's what pisses me off about it. It's so quick. I don't believe it's that strong that it's like really firing Dovish's glove back. And it's just. There's zero intent for it. To me, it felt like a hockey play. Like there's a like, are you telling me every time there's a doorstep chance and guys are jamming pucks in and they fucking smack the puck and like, they don't hit the goalies pad a little bit, and you could then make the argument of like, well, that knocked the goalie off kilter. That's goal interference too. I know this one's different because it's in his glove, but I'm like, dude, he wasn't. It's not like he shot it into his glove and then Quinn spears his glove into the net.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. When it's just shooting the puck and his follow through hits the glove. It's.

[B]

It's interesting for. For the new fans in here. If you take a shot or a pass and your stick is just coming up from the act of that shot or pass and you high stick someone and they start bleeding and whatever that is allowed, it's not a penalty because they go, that's in the act of the shot. So it's kind of interesting in this that you go, that's just the act of his shot. Or that's your argument. At least that is just the act of his shot. So what if it hit. I could have hit someone in the face.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if that had gone in, it wouldn't have been a penalty. It's the act of my shot. So it's kind of weird that in this case it sounds like they go, well, even if this isn't the act of your shot, you still can't hit the goalie's body into the net.

[A]

I think the thing that bothers me is I want it to be very clear, I'm not rooting for Buffalo or Montreal in this series. I'm rooting for seven games and I'm rooting for both teams to have fun. I think both these teams are amazing. I think they're both super fun, and I got love for all of them. I just don't like this whole sequence. I didn't like the fact that we reviewed that goal for so long. I don't like the fact that after that long of a review, the coach can challenge for goal interference. I don't like that the goalie interference, which absolutely. There was contact.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Stick on glove.

[B]

Stick on glove, Fish on hook.

[A]

I don't like that after all that, that is deemed goal interference and is taken away. And it just. It feels like one of these things where I'm like, we are taking replay review and challenge too far because that was just like a ready to play game. And it go Goal. And it goes in. Now I have two more things to say. One, I then immediately posted right after.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

They go. They. They go, no goal. After all that. I go, immediate Montreal goal. Incoming. And then what? Two minutes later.

[B]

New hook.

[A]

New hook, dude. Fucking new hook.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

I then also posted new hook and Howden are m. Mirror images of each other. That's really funny.

[B]

That's really funny. Just.

[A]

Just look up their regular season stats and then their playoff stats and you'll be like this. Oh, my God. Yeah, they are doing the exact same thing. It's unbelievable. And then here's my big stance. I love Dave Jackson. Yes, Dave Jackson is the fucking great.

[B]

Dinners with Dave Jackson.

[A]

Yes, Dave Jackson is the fucking man. He is an awesome dude who has had an amazing career and is just a good, good, good human being. I'm. I'm. I'm done with this.

[B]

Every. Every league does this. So the NFL, I don't care. Here comes Dan Blandino.

[A]

I don't care. I'm. I am done with it. It's insulting.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

It is insulting that the NHL employs a former NHL ref who is an executive level NHL ref now to come on and piss in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Correct, dude.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Because here's the thing, dude. Obviously Dave is going to lose his job if he goes. That's a fucking terrible call. Toronto got that wrong. Or the boys on the ice got it wrong. Yep. Those are his fucking countrymen, dude. Those are his soldiers.

[B]

Brothers in arms.

[A]

He's not going to disagree with them. He's not going to disagree with Toronto and the people who employ him. So what is the point of this?

[B]

I wish the point was for him to come in and go, hey, update. You know how if you are in the act of shooting or passing and you high stick someone, it's not a penalty, because that's allowed. Well, if you're in the act of shooting, but you unintentionally hit the glove, that is not a goal. And then I would go, oh, wow. I didn't know that. That's amazing. Thank you so much. And we wouldn't even be happy. We could have canceled this live show because there'd be nothing to talk about. I'd be so informed. But instead, I don't get any of that.

[A]

I think. I think this is kind of what you're saying. I think what it needs to be if we're going to keep it. Because I want to keep it. Because I want Dave. I like Dave. I like Dave popping in. I Think they need to go like this. Now we're going to cut to Dave Jackson, who's going to tell us why this call was made this way. Not what he thinks, because Dave is going to. He's forced to have to go. They got it right, folks.

[B]

Dude, you know, it'd be gas if. Just hear me out, dude. If Dave. I wish they would keep Dave in a. In a black box. No sound, no light, no nothing. And then a play happens. And then they. They wake him up. They take his goggles off and everything, and they show it to him.

[A]

What is this call happened?

[B]

And then he would say. Then they go, interesting, Dave. They said it was no goal.

[A]

That sounds like a perfect world. That's how you lose your job.

[B]

But that would be awesome because we'd be like, you're the expert. What happened?

[A]

But this is. This is my whole thesis. That would be awesome. He would lose his job because inevitably he would disagree with what happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you have mayhem online because people are going, dave Jackson literally disagrees with that. What they're doing is preventing. They're trying to prevent riots. And I get it. It's smart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's the best league in the world. But what I'm saying is you need to just change the wording to going. Now we're going to kick it to Dave Jackson to tell us why this call was made this way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because Dave is a ref expert. He can cite the rule book. He can say what the guys on the ice probably saw. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Don't go. Now let's see what Dave thinks because he's forced to go like this. I think they nailed that one. And then everyone goes, great, thanks, dude.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Thanks for that unbiased take, pal.

[B]

Dude, hey, Canadian 1445. In the chat, because he said, wasn't the goal interference the skate dragging Dobish's stick? And then he said the league literally gave an explanation that it was the skate dragging dope stick. It had nothing to do with stick on glove. Canadian 1445. That is exactly what they said on the broadcast. I was watching.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They said that's all they were looking at. And again, I forget the Buffalo player who net drove there, but they were like, it's all they're talking about. Is that so? Canadian? Are you saying that's what you heard on the broadcast, too? Because that is a hundred percent what I heard. Or are you saying after the fact, like today the league has said the call was.

[A]

Because it's weird on the broadcast they were talking about that. That and then Dave. Jack, they brought in Dave or. Or like we. Who TNT was on that game.

[B]

Yeah. No, Biz was going crazy. Right.

[A]

But no, I feel like Biz goes crazy like that when he's at home. I think. I think these games were both ESPN because it was Booch and Weeksy in the Vegas.

[B]

In the Vegas game. Yeah.

[A]

Either way, they cut to something and they were like, this is the. The glove is the issue. They said that on the broadcast. Okay. But before they were looking, all they

[B]

were looking at was this.

[A]

And I'll tell you what, Habs fan, what. Whoever you are, if it is the contact before, this is even more of a fucking joke, because if you think that was goal interference, you do not belong in this.

[B]

So, yeah, that's where I'm with you, dude. In fact, I think if the league is a saying. They called that because Quinn's hit his glove. Fair enough. Fair play. Good call. I'll move on with my day. If the league is saying it's saying it's because a skate drag hit Dovish's stick before. Before the Habs defenseman drilled Dobish and they don't care about the Quinn stick, then that is fucking lunacy. Lunacy. So with you there, immediate goal. And dude, then I kind of felt bad. I started the segment with, wow, great start for Buffalo. They're doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. And then you kind of get job. Kind of get jobbed here. And then bang, Habs goal. Then they have finished the period so strong. And then Cole Caulfield power play goal. And then it's like. And that was a pretty good goal from Cole, too.

[A]

Was really nice.

[B]

It was just, you know, that kind

[A]

of felt like strong play.

[B]

That guy scores 50 goals.

[A]

Strong play.

[B]

And now I'm like, you're dead, dude. You're fucking dead. And was crazy.

[A]

After all that cat going down to one in the first sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're Buffalo, I think you think you're outplaying them. You think you're on top of them, and then you go down to one in that first 12 seconds left. Yeah, you are. You are going into that locker room going are kidding me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, I would hope that the players and Lindy, you go into that locker room and you go, hey. Just went on. It's that they're leading, but we're all over them. Don't panic.

[B]

It's kind of like what I said about the Ducks icing thing. I sometimes I like getting jobbed because you. You rally around It. Yeah.

[A]

Getting job early as the boys because

[B]

you're like, fuck them, dude. Are you kidding me?

[A]

Are you an early jobbing? You can rally. Yeah. You can change your stars. As they say in A Knight's Tale. Shout out Heath Ledger. Shout out Paul Betney. Shout out Alan Tudyk. Shout out the guy who plays Robert Baratheon. What's his name?

[B]

Zach. No, no.

[A]

Just no idea at all. That movie rocks.

[B]

Yeah, it does.

[A]

I loved Buffaloes fight here, though.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

What was this? Did you see the stat? I don't think it UPL and would you almost spell that UPL and Lion, I think have not won at the Bell Center.

[B]

No, no. I thought.

[A]

Good job, Zach.

[B]

I thought. I thought they hit. I thought they were both like two and two with. Oh, oh. At the bell.

[A]

At the bell side.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe not.

[A]

So this was big for them, this game. We get fast forwarding second period, we get a Tage Thompson goal.

[B]

They're on the most insane bounce in the history of bounce.

[A]

Feel like second game in a row.

[B]

And dude, I don't know if you heard this, but there was a really funny comment from the Habs goalie coach where they said, best ice in the league. But they said that that Zamboni door has weird bounces. So they said to Dovish, be aware of that because Dovish likes to be out pretty far in in those situations. And they said, be aware of that because we want you deep in your net because if something ricochets, it might go ding, ding, back wall, hit you and go in. So if you're in your net, that can't happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the goalie coach said to. Well, to via kaplan. He goes, it hit the thing and then shot so sideways and hit you. If you had been out, it would

[A]

have just zipped her thing.

[B]

I'm so sorry. That was 100 our fault.

[A]

That's so funny. I. I think this is a you power play goal. Tage power play goal Benson early in the third. And then you have a classic.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Battle the whole rest of the game.

[B]

Fencing goal was nasty.

[A]

It was really, really cheeky. I liked.

[B]

Oh, my God, dude.

[A]

I. My feeling is this was must win.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I. I said. I said this was must win. You also, you have to split and get a win there in Montreal. This was must win for me. After that first period, it felt like must win because you were on them. And then after the goal gets taken away, you hold Montreal's power play to one for seven. Fact that they had seven fucking Peepers in this game. And you went, this is a game that you're like, holy shit. But dude, Buffalo, man, you're making it way too hard on yourselves. I think five shots in the second period, five or six in the third period, two power play goals gets you this win. I'm sorry. Great performance by UPL coming in after getting yanked in the Bell Center. Seeing the fucking red shirts in the stands, hearing how loud that is. You come in and have like a 9, 66 save percentage or something like that. Unbelievable game from UPL, dude. I'm giving like a C minus game for the boys. You cannot come out there with 22 shots and rely on two second and third period power play goals. One with a crazy bounce that gets you this win. I feel like you. You kind of think you got away with one here, Dan.

[B]

Correct. And also we have a greetings from France in the chat. So where nobody knows puck, this is my refuge. So shout out, France. That's incredible. What time is it there? Probably like, it's like end of work 6pm and to work, dude. Have a little happy hour. Have a little happy hour drink. Dan, you were spot on. My two things the rest of this game were. Well, actually, I'll save the goalie thing. Tage is having such a funny series because I texted you guys before. Tage is was a minus seven. I'm pretty sure they said coming into this game, in this series, talk, no points in this series. Yeah. And then you go, tage, power play goal. But I'm like, not really, dude. You page dumped one in and it ricochets off the wall. And then Zach Benson, master class in front of the net. Truly, that was awesome. But I'm sitting here going, I feel, aw, not okay. I feel two ways from Buffalo. I feel. I feel that was extremely lucky. Extremely lucky. But then. But then enjoy your luck and take it because now it's best of three and you have two home games, so I'm so with you. I thought this was not at all the game that they needed, but dude, you won at the Bell Center. Yeah. There's like, you. Like Ari Gold says, there are only scoreboards.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And you won, so congratulations. Even though after the first 10 minutes that they had, I'm really disappointed in the next 50. No joke. And it's a hard building and you lose that goal and all this happens. But the Buffalo Sabres came out and played like their season was on the line for 10 minutes and then did not play that way for 50. Yeah. I'm like, yo, dude, do you think you're going to get away with that even one more time, you are not. So take the hope this was the one break. If you're a Sabres fan, you better hope this was the one break you got.

[A]

Couldn't agree more. Well said. And I. I am looking at Buffalo, and I'm a little bit like, dude, that ain't going to cut it. That is monumental. To shut down their power play to get that game on away ice and head back home tied to two and the Tabs. No blood. Right.

[B]

On the other hand, they're bummed they missed the chance to step on a throat. Yeah. But they also go, whatever, we murdered,

[A]

I think they go. Because when you do the goalie switch, you can look at it both ways, right? You can look at it. It's a sign of weakness by a team, but you can also look at it like, fuck, we get it's a different goalie. We got to change our shots, we got to change our strategy. Sometimes there's a new goalie bump for teams. We saw it with Minnesota the first time they went back to Walstead. We just saw it here. So I think what's tough is. Yes. If you're the Habs, you're like, dude, we were all over them like that. You know, our power play is not going to go one for seven again. But as we've seen with plenty of teams, sometimes it does.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you can't totally rely on that. But, yeah, in Buffalo, I think you look at this and you go, no blood. Yep, no blood. But I always look at it. You got that big first win, and I said that was always coming because Montreal was going to come in after a fucking Murderers Row match with Tampa. But then Montreal kind of beat the

[B]

wheels off you two games, two in a row.

[A]

And then you feel like you stole this one. So. Advantage, Montreal.

[B]

Advantage, Montreal.

[A]

But hold on, now you go home. This is a big opportunity of get all the jitters out, get all the. Whatever happened in the last games are gone out, and you've got to fucking buckle down here. Buffalo, like, hey, Alex, Tuck, you got

[B]

to step it up. Yep. Need something?

[A]

Tage Thompson, you've got to step it up. You're like, he was like a dash 7 going into this game.

[B]

And. And, oh, this was the. This was the. This was the user. This was the person from before. Migraine mom. Bakes. Taged goals three and four were both lucky bounces from the boards. Exactly.

[A]

So it's like, hey, it's good to see some go in.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But you've got two goals in a row that are lucky bounces. And you have four goals in these playoffs. Like, Buddy, you are. You're the guy. You are the goal scorer on this team. You got to get it going.

[B]

Cole's getting it going on.

[A]

You got to get it going. Zucker, Krebs, you've got to get it going. And it is a big, big chance at home. Use the crowd, use the fact that you just won a game and get back in the mixer here. And you also have to remind yourself Montreal has not lost two games in a row these playoffs. They are very good at responding. Try to figure that out too, because I think it is going to be soul sucking to steal that game, then come home and lose again on home ice and give them a 3, 2 lead. That will be very soul crushing.

[B]

Yes, it would. Do you stay with upl or I'll talk while you.

[A]

100%.

[B]

And it's crazy because Wyatt Tech. We were texting with Wyatt before the game and I was like, I can't believe this UPL thing. I would have done one more. I thought he didn't look good against Boston at all. And Wyatt very. Hey, shout out Lake Hour. Is this camera on, Zach? Yeah. Look at this.

[C]

Bang.

[B]

Lake Hour. Dude, go get yourself one. Get to Lake Hour. Go find someone. If you're in New York, just get them. If you're in Buffalo, just get some. But go online, find yourself some Lake Hour. Incredible drink. Wyatt said, listen, dude, UPL was the better goalie in the regular season. In a damn near even split with Ryan. He did. And he did not play well against Boston. Not only were goals going in, but I didn't even like how they were going in. But I'm telling you, he deserves one more chance to shine in playoffs. That's what he said. And then I think UPL won this game even though I didn't even love some of the goals. Like the new hook, I was like, and tough play, but it's just like right there. I'm like, you want to just smother that one. But he made all the saves when he needed to and won them this game. So now you're a UPL team.

[A]

Fuel the team to two goals when they have over 30 shots and over five power plays, that is a winning performance by a goaltender. Correct. Like, if you. If you do that and you lose that game. 2, 1. You get to look around the locker room and be like this, what the fuck, boys?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What the fuck? Okay, I do quickly just want to stroke off. Do Bash.

[B]

Yeah, he is.

[A]

I know there weren't that many shots for Buffalo. He is so good and he is so big. Yeah, he is. He's very deceptively big. Like most goalies in the league these days are, you know, six two or bigger. He's like six four and he looks like a monster in there. Sometimes there are guys honing down and they don't have anything. There's no opening, there's no angle. He's just like. He's a monster in there.

[B]

Spencer says, did you guys hear the announcer say Darlene was reopening a cut to get a double miner?

[A]

I did. Can we talk about that for a second?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That was wild work by the ESPN broadcast.

[B]

Wild work, dude. I don't give a fuck.

[A]

I also. I'm here to tell you right now, folks, if you think that when guys get hit in the chops, they aren't. Maybe I'll bite the lip a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, I was going to say that is. That does it all the time.

[A]

That does happen. But for the espn ESPN announcers to go, that actually looks like an old cut from Darlene that he might be trying to reopen is crazy work as a broadcaster, you can't be doing.

[B]

How do you keep your job, dude,

[A]

you cannot be doing that.

[B]

Insane. Okay, before we bounce to the next game, I just wanted to put it in the chat right now. While I have 181 of you here on YouTube watching, we are in a mission to get the Goudreau family 5k up to 1000 virtual users. There is the link. It's in the chat. Click on it. It's 35 bucks. It's 35 bucks. If you have a minute and if you can spare 35 bucks to support John and Matty in this incredible cause, please hit that link that I just put in the chat and then sign up. And you don't have to run. You don't have to run. You can. You can walk.

[A]

That's the thing, guys. You don't have to run. Yeah, I mean, it's a very. Just like click that link right now. And if you can. Again, if you can appreciate it so much, if you have 35 buc. But it's obviously to such a great cause, to such a great family, and it's super fun.

[B]

And if.

[A]

If you guys do it and then you do walk, or even if you just, like, take a quick stroll, send us pictures, DM them to us, because we're gonna put them all in. In on the website and in the chat. And it's gonna be an absolute.

[B]

If you haven't seen their interview yet on our show, they love that. It brings them such extreme joy to have you all tagging them, taking pictures. And we're on the race. We're up over 900 now. We have till the end of the week to get to a thousand. I really believe we can do it. I got 191 of you on YouTube right now. If you have 35, click the link. Thank you so much. Amazing moment. Absolutely. Vegas Ducks. Vegas Ducks.

[A]

Vegas Ducks. Okay, I. This is a. This is a Jim Powers, our old man, comment that I'm going to bring to the show. You know, Mike Breen. Zach does his bang on a good shot. I definitely think I'm gonna be more often. Actually. Breener bangs a lot.

[B]

He kind of does.

[A]

I'm gonna be more often than OG Breen bangs with this. But whenever our dad is watching a really good game and, like, fun stuff is going on, back and forth. Craziness. Yeah. He'll just kind of turn and he'll go, great action.

[B]

It's awesome. Great action.

[A]

And I'm. I want to bring great action to the show.

[B]

Yep. Okay.

[A]

And I'm not always going to say it, but let me tell you, the Ducks Golden Knights game last night, great, great action.

[B]

It's.

[A]

That is officially getting the empty netters. Great, great action. Stamp slapped on it. That game was a blast, dude.

[B]

The entire series has been a blast. I said this last time on the last live. This is the most slept on, literally series in the playoffs because it's late and no one's watching, but it's awesome. The first thing I. I want to talk about is. Well, yeah, I'm actually going to say that the first thing I want to talk about is the McNabb toss job on the hit on Palin. The S.O. o said it. It's sometimes like Paling is coming out of the zone and. And it appears he's trying to kick it up to himself. So there's a. There's a universe where he does still have the puck. As McNabb is approaching, he's going, oh, there comes Paling. He's going to have that puck, and I'm going to run through him as if he wasn't fucking there. But the. So. So to Osha's point, he was saying, you're committed to the hit in your brain. You're going, I'm going to hit this guy. He so clearly does not have the puck by the time he gets close that you need to stop. And you can. Even. Even if McNabb's argument is, I was going too fast, you can do one of these. You know, you hit someone, but you're catching them at the same time. You're like, oh, sorry. Because you're like, oh, good. And I don't. Maybe they would have called him interference anyway, but it would have been a 2. But he absolutely buries him into the boards.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thoughts on the hit?

[A]

I. I feel like kind of what you just said.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

It's. It's a fast game. It was a. I thought it was a bad hit. I. I could have.

[B]

I.

[A]

It could have gone either way for me with the. With the tossing.

[B]

So I already have one in the chat, and a ton of Vegas people live. We're saying it's a clean hit. And I think you mean like Jacob. I think you mean the literal hit itself was not dirty, as in he. He hits him shoulder to body, no head contact, doesn't leave his feet. He's not a. It's not a charge. I assume that's what everybody means when they're saying clean hit. Because if you think it's not interference, you are a fucking psychopath. The puck is going the other way in the zone, and there is a full two Mississippi. Like, every player has an internal clock that. You are way beyond that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it is very.

[A]

It was very late.

[B]

The one. There's been a few in the past. You know, these in the neutral zone where it's like, pass, and then you're looking at it, and then people have gotten blown up. There's been a few of those in the last few years where we have this debate. Is that interference? And it is, in my opinion, but I also think you shouldn't be admiring your past. Yeah, true. This is not that. This is. Yeah, this is not that. This is a preposterous interference.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm trying to see if anyone disagrees with that, but otherwise I agree. Clean it. If he had the puck. Clean hit. So for me, as they go to the review, and, dude, this is another one where I could have used Dave Jackson. Yes. Like, people are saying he doesn't have the fucking puck, which is so true. So here's my question, Dan. Or I guess I have two questions as they're reviewing this. If Paling isn't hurt and he didn't come back, like, he's. He has concussion problems in the past and his head slams against the boards, he. This could be a major issue. He. If he is injured, as you're reviewing it and you see him, he's going to the tunnel. Does that affect your call as a human?

[A]

100.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and, and that, that can't affect the call.

[B]

You say it shouldn't.

[A]

It should not. Yeah, it should not. But as a human, no doubt about it.

[B]

Because you're like, he's not gonna play again.

[A]

I, I think there's, there is an undeniable fact that if, if something like that happens and the player who got hit is just like standing there on the ice waiting for it. And it's kind of like, yeah, I mean it wasn't that.

[B]

Because the whole, A lot of the chat's going, if he's not hurt, it's, he's, it's a minor for sure.

[A]

And I think that they're probably right. I think it definitely goes into your decision making if, if the player is just sitting there because I think whether right or wrong, it makes you go, clearly the contact wasn't that severe. Look at him. He's fine.

[B]

I wonder though, he might be right. You all might be right. I wonder though, where I stand on. Because the call for interference is intended to be like, I'm kind of blocking your way to the puck, you know, you chipping by me. And I'm like. And like, that's interference, dude. Or like, oh, that was barely late. I'm kind of in the camp that on a, the point of a major should be egregious interference. Like if it is like two seconds and someone drills you open eyes, I'm like, what are you doing, dude? That's a clear major. Like, even if I wasn't hurt, it was just such egregious interference. I'm like, what. What is wrong with you? Which leads me to my next question and this is my rule question which I literally don't know. Obviously five minutes for fighting isn't an ejection. Is a five minute major, other than fighting, a automatic toss? Or was this. Did they go five minute major and toss because he got tossed? I just don't know if that's the rule.

[A]

It's. Yeah, it's a, it's a five minute game misconduct that I believe gets you.

[B]

So it's automatic if you get a five minute.

[A]

Yeah, like, fighting misconduct is not a game. Game misconduct is. You are gone from said game.

[B]

Like remember the Vegas Sharks game when. When there was the, the five minute or off the face off and they scored three goals and it was crazy. That wasn't a toss, right? Or was it?

[A]

No. Again, there are penalties that are game misconducts, and I believe that they are misconducts that are. Do not eject you from the game.

[B]

Yeah. So I wouldn't have been that mad if he got that. If they said, dude, that's a five minute. Because that was such an egregious interference. I don't even care if he was hurt or not. But I'm not ejecting you. The ejection was when I started going, yo, dude, what the fuck? Yeah.

[A]

I don't know, dude. When. Like this, when. When you commit an egregious infraction, like, you admit you think it was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you hurt a player, you're fucking done. So, buddy is like. Is how I feel as a human. I'm not saying that that's the right call, but when you do something so egregiously illegal and it knocks a player out of the game with an injury, I'm like, get the out of here, dude. You're out of control.

[B]

Chat's saying that Dave Jackson said it was because Palin got hurt. Like, literally, they went, you're tossed.

[A]

Because I believe that. I believe that. Like, I think that that absolutely plays a part.

[B]

And now he's got a hearing, which I don't know what your take is on this, but. And normally I am like, oh, I should be out as long as that guy's out.

[A]

Oh, a hearing means you're toast. When is the last time we saw a hearing not result in a suspension?

[B]

Seen it, but it's.

[A]

I said, when is the last time? Like, it's very rare.

[B]

So what do you think?

[A]

He gets one game? Yeah. No question about it. One game.

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And Paling. I mean, like, fuck, dude, I hope he's okay, but I just mean, I just feel like he could be in real trouble here due to his past, and that would be. That would be actually devastating for the Ducks. So right away, dude, you go, no Paling, no McNabb. Now everyone's. And, dude, I've said this before, but for the new fans in the chat, I can't tell you how much jumbling happens the rest of the game when you lose someone because you have pairings, you have. You have D pairings, you have lines. And now you're like, jesus Christ, we have to move all this shit around. If someone's getting extra ice. It's outrageous. But the Ducks go on a five minute power play, and I remember thinking, because the power play's been better. But I was like, this is nearly the game, and we're like five minutes in. But I was like, either you score twice here and you win, or you get Vegas gets a five minute kill and you lose.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

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Never have I been more on the side of the shoot people than this power play. Because literally for four minutes, the Ducks passed it around the perimeter and did nothing. And I was like, what a waste. And then it finally got to Cutter and he just shoots it. He literally just takes it off the wall and shoots it. And then it's like, rebound goal. I was like, christ, dude, put the puck on net.

[A]

I want to put some more emphasis on that. He. I thought Cutter Gauthier maybe had his best game of the playoffs.

[B]

And last game, too, though, last night.

[A]

I know, but this game was gritty, dude. Like, he. In that first period, there was an insane, insane play in front of the net where Dostahl had to slide across, make a save, and then it's sitting on the doorstep. And Cutter back, checked his ass off and gets his stick in there and pulls it off the goal line. Then this play that was not just shoots it off. Dude, that pull off the wall and immediate turn like that was unbelievable. I think Weeksy in the broadcast was like, that was.

[B]

He was going level. He was going nuts.

[A]

That was a remarkable play by Cutter.

[B]

Did he have to do that? Like, if he put his backhand against the boards, I think he just gets the puck.

[A]

I don't know. That was fucking rimmed hard. It was just clean, quick.

[B]

It was so nasty. But I was like, why'd he do that?

[A]

It was so. It was just gross. But Beckett stays hot. Good power play.

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Goal.

[A]

I was. And it's easy to say this in hindsight, I was. As the rest of that power play was going, like they score, and then they still had plenty of power play time. When they didn't score on that, I was like, you just lost the game. It's not. Clearly, it is not easy to score power play.

[B]

I wrote. I wrote huge kill from Vegas. Yeah.

[A]

It's like you just have an opportunity there to fucking rip the soul out of a team. It is not easy to score on power plays. Most teams are under 50%. But in that moment for the Ducks, I was like, you've got to score here. And when they didn't, I was sitting there and I was straight up going that it's game over.

[B]

Like, you've lost.

[A]

So that sucked.

[B]

That sucked big time. And I. I was with you. I was on the same reaction. And then I kind of felt like, just like you said about Montreal, not that. Not that there was like a screw Job overturn, but just the momentum swing. I was like, incoming Vegas goal right away. And it actually didn't happen right away but. But what did happen right away was the Marner got a breakaway. And dude, that was another argument. I guess it does happen right away because it's this power play that they score on. But Marner gets that breakaway. And dude, this was two times I

[A]

have been so excited to have this conversation with you because I know how you feel about it, dude.

[B]

And I wonder if you agree with this.

[A]

I would play this clip in class to show people what I. Penalty shot, dude.

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The penalty shots that have been called in the playoffs so far. Like somebody pull up like Zach. See if you can search on Twitter martinook penalty shot. But like it might be hard to find. They might show the actual penalty shot. But I just want. I want. If you can, I want you to find the. The penalty that they believe resulted in a penalty shot for him. This is in the Canes Ottawa series. If you can't find it doesn't matter. But the Martinique penalty shot and another one that was in tight. I forget who. Not QB because that was a good one, but somebody else. But anyway, the Martin hook penalty shot, it's like a turnover under the dot.

[A]

You will literally never get over this call.

[B]

It's the most insane call I've ever seen.

[A]

And then it's not that crazy, but it was.

[B]

If that is being called.

[A]

And this one is. Mitch Marner has a breakaway from center ice.

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Dude.

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And gets. Gets hooked. And they're like this hand like he is a full two bodies ahead of the defenseman, dude. It was insane.

[B]

I was like, whoa. I was sitting on my couch like, whoa, it's gonna be sick. And then the ref goes like this. Michigan Mitchikov slash. Minor slash. And I'm like, are you fucking out of your mind? Yeah, dude. So I could not believe that. And Dan, I'll go even further. You might disagree with this. That was kind of. Kind of a soft penalty. Like he literally.

[A]

Oh, I just.

[B]

I disagree to hand him obviously, but he just goes like this.

[A]

Yeah, you can keep talking. I disagree. Like, not at all. You are. You are wrong, dude. If you watch that replay that the blade of his stick is turned. It catches Marner's side and literally turns his entire body.

[B]

Okay. If it's a little more of a hook.

[A]

You think it's soft because Marner stayed up. But that's a credit to Martin.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like Marner the arm out, the breakaway speed by Marner and then. Yeah, putting that Arm, but that, that he is fish on hooked.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's not. It wasn't like a little slash. That was a turn blade hooked to

[B]

your body then definitely.

[A]

And like Marner like literally gets rotated and just keeps skating because he's so gone.

[B]

Because I hate the one hander calls. Like, I'm like, I should be able to go like this to anybody.

[A]

I think you should be able to one hand and hit stick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if you hit hands or if you turn blade and hook at all, that is a penalty. And it was. There was no doubt that that was a turned blade hook.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And again, it is a safer Marner not going down. That is the definition of a penalty.

[B]

Dude, I could not believe that.

[A]

When the reference like he's sitting up, the goal doesn't go in. Great. Great poke check. Great Joe Stall, by the way. And when the ref was like just pointing at the player, I was like, what? Excuse me, excuse me.

[B]

That was batshit. But then on the power play. Unbelievable. This is some foreshadowing, but unbelievable play by Dorfy.

[A]

I am, I am going to agree. It was very Datsukian.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But I'm also going to say brutal play by Crydes.

[B]

Yeah. It has to go out.

[A]

You have to get that. And it's. And. And the problem is it was such a clean strip. I. I get that you're tired. I get that you're on. On the kill. And obviously we know like this is my guy, but he wants that play.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Like, that was a very easy stick. I mean, let's call it what it is. Chris Kreider is much stronger than Pavel Dorf. Oh yeah. Much stronger. So you getting that cleanly stick lifted and like take like it was. There was no battle at all. Like it was. It was a bad. He's kind of like working his stick and like that stick lift was like, oh, fuck yeah, I'm gone. Can't let that happen in the D zone.

[B]

Great play by Dorothy Snipe Job.

[A]

And the second he got it, you can hear Booch on the call. The second he turned and had that time, you're like, oh, this is going. Yeah, I do have a gripe with Weeksy here.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

They are talking about that play on the broadcast. And Weeksy goes go. And the great play goes in from Dorov. Scora F as I call him.

[B]

Oh, dude.

[A]

And he, he went as I call him and I'm like, that's good that you call him that. But we know why you call him that. Yeah, that is one That I would, like, credit for.

[B]

And dude. And like, I'm not even trying to take credit from you, but that is a. I've got to believe there are plenty thousands of Vegas fans who have called him that within their friend group. Like, this. This isn't the fucking. What's the language thing? The Rosetta stone. This isn't the Rosetta Stone where like, oh, my God, this is the greatest invention of language work play I've ever heard. I'm sure there are Vegas fans who are like, oh, scora f. Scora f. Yeah. Like, so it. The idea of it like gold coffee. Yes, exactly. Perfect. Perfect.

[A]

I'm not saying we did anything impressive, right?

[B]

So I'm like, dude, we're mor. You didn't invent it either. Like someone else. Everyone on earth has invented this. That was. That was really funny. I caught that too. So then Dan. Oh, yeah. Then I was like, what? I have. Then he had a crazy game because then he takes one off the knee. And I thought in this point in the game, I was like, vegas. Oh, yeah. Do we. Do we have an add on coming?

[A]

Yeah, he might pop in soon.

[B]

Okay, let me know. This is a. Then he takes one off the knee. And I was like, man, Vegas are dropping like flies. They've already lost the defenseman. Now they lose DorothyV because that looked bad. He took that one out. The refs rarely blow it dead like that. And he takes that off the knee and it's just in shambles. And they were like, yo, he was hurting and he went right down. And I was like, dude, this would be a dis. Honestly, I was like, that's a. That's a kill shot for Vegas legitimately.

[A]

That's. Oh, dude. Yes.

[B]

I was like, you're done.

[A]

You're already without stone. If you lose, do you're in trouble?

[B]

Yep. So then that was huge that he bounced back and dude, then fucking Hurdle, man.

[A]

Okay, so Hurdle gets the next goal. Vegas goes up to one. I said it in our. I don't think that video is up yet, but we went to the game at Ponda and with the goalie pulled, Hurdle gets that goal to make it a one goal game. And I was saying, that feels so good for Tomash Hurdle and the Vegas Golden Knights, they lose that game, but I believe that they went in that locker room and they're like fucking hurdles going, yes.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then, what do you know? Very next game, Hurdle scores. And that was a great. There's a loose puck. Get your stick on it. There was no like, he didn't pull that back in the forehand. He didn't think about that. He just whacked that on net and it went in. And I'm like, now you have a goal scorer who's got a goal scoring touch.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And that is huge for Vegas.

[B]

That was so massive. A couple things in the chat here, Dan. Michael says five minute major is only auto ejection for interference if there is an injury. So specifically, that would have been a non ejection.

[A]

There we go.

[B]

Thank you. Other penalties, like button are auto ejection, no matter what parentheses, unless you're Joss Manson.

[A]

Go, afs, go.

[B]

Which is hilarious because I cannot believe if that's the rule, that that wasn't an injection. And then Luna found out. She. Or maybe this isn't a rule specifically, but just what she thinks. The Martin, okay, there was a scoring opportunity, and the Marner one didn't ruin a shot attempt. That's why it's not, it wasn't called that way. But I'm kind of like, a breakaway is a shot attempt. I'm on a breakaway. That is, that is.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think that's correct. Because if you're saying that there was a penalty infraction with a clear scoring chance, then you can't argue that that didn't affect his approach and ruin a scoring. Like the fact that it didn't go in. I'm like, that, that is absolutely a penalty shot.

[B]

Yep. Okay, so then, and dude, I want to. I'll take this opportunity right here to say that Doe Stall was making insane safety.

[A]

This is why I gave it the empty Netter's Great action.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Stamp. Because insane.

[B]

I have something for you.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

I, I, you know what? When I said stamp, I could see the wheels turning in Zach's head. And I was like, I bet he's gonna make a stamp.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bang.

[A]

Look at that. Vegas, Anaheim, Game five. Great action. The stamp of approval is on the screen right now.

[B]

Oh, there it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The stamp of approval is on the

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fucking whole fucking game. Great action in this whole game, dude.

[A]

There were breakaways, there were power play goals for both teams. There were crazy moments. Goalies flying in and out of the crease, making saves. We had a goal scored with the goalie pulled. This game was great action. And then also, this was a perfect hockey game in that two power plays for the Ducks. They went 1 for 2 on the power play. Vegas went 1 for 1 in the power play. So not a ton of penalties. Called shots. Both teams had over 30. 36 for Anaheim, 32 for Vegas. Face offs 26 to Vegas. 23 to Anaheim. Hits 26 to 29 in favor of Vegas. Like it was a very even hockey game. And it went to OT and was 1 in Ottoman by the home team. Yep, that's a perfect hockey game.

[B]

So Cutter on the. On the son of Renee Zell Weja

[A]

goal father of Renee's. Father of Olin is Renee Zell. I know it's confusing folks. Olin is actually her day's dad.

[B]

Her dad. And she's. She's proud. She's proud of her father. She was in attendance. Ridiculous pass from Cutter. Ridiculous, ridiculous pass from Cutter on that game of playoffs. Oh my God. And then, dude, the ot. I actually felt horrible for Crydes again because he actually is playing it perfectly. Jack who is a beast. Jack pushes wide. Dorothy of perfectly slides back presenting stick to Jack. Jack sees it and he's trying to get it to him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Kreider also sees it and gets in the way and he goes. He stick lift me in the first period. I'm not letting it happen again. This puck's not getting through. In fact, we're going to break out, go three on two the other way and we're going to win. And Jack's pass like. I think it hit a skate on the way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cry is directly tried. Is going to intercept it. It hits a skate on the way, ricochets off Dostal and then out beat like it's as if dude criders right here and he has the whole thing blocked. But the puck goes ding, ding off the goalie and then out behind him. And then. And then Scorofiev rips it out of fucking midair off the back bar. I was like Cry literally was like, you've got to be kidding me.

[A]

I know, man. It did suck. That it was. It was another one that it was like you felt like they had a chance to get the puck out of the zone and they did it.

[B]

Yeah, actually good point. It was earlier than that that it got hemmed in.

[A]

But Zach, can we get a link going to bring someone in on the show?

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Carter Hart. Dan five zero in OT in playoffs, buddy. That's cool.

[A]

Yeah. I mean also shout out Chicklet's boys. They were talking last show after game four and in preview of game five, Carter Hart has responded well.

[B]

Yes, he has.

[A]

Every time that they've lost a game, Carter Hart comes in and has had a pretty great shot. Pretty gauge, great showing. And I'M like fucking a, man. Like, he. He is performing well after losses, and this was a great game. You know, like, Ducks had tons of shots. They had that big power play in the first. So, yeah, good stuff from him. Yep.

[B]

Ninja. Ninja S. If. If the Ducks are over dumping it in, I know it's for the line change, but it seems over excessive giving the puck away 85% of the time. I got to tell you, it's in a playoff series, Ninja. Especially one this tight where you feel like it's going 7. Talk to anyone on the Panthers. Go back and listen to some of our apps with the Panthers guys right after they won the cup. You do this because it pays off in Game 7. Like, you literally get pucks behind them and just smash their defenseman over and over and over because you want to win a game seven. If you think a series is going long, that's part of the reason you do it. And I kind of disagree with you guys that the Ducks offense is drying up.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's hard to score in playoffs, and I think they've.

[A]

No, but I understand that comment because it feels like. What is going on with Lazzie's view here? There we go.

[B]

Here we go. Yes.

[A]

Here, hold on. Let me get.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

True. Hold on. I can't hear you yet.

[B]

Dan, to finish my thought, the. For the Vega, or actually, you were. Well, hold on.

[A]

Zach, can you turn us down in the headphones? Johnny, can you hear me?

[C]

I got you. Are we live right now?

[A]

Oh, we're live, baby.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

We are.

[B]

So take your shirt off.

[A]

You are. I don't have.

[C]

I don't have an undershirt on. My mom called me fat last week, so I'm trying to lose some weight this week. I know, but that's. I forgot we were live.

[B]

She's cooking. My parents are like, here's food. Here's food. Here's food. That's all I get. That's all that happens at home.

[A]

All right, well, chat. You can see we got Johnny Laz in the conversation here. Laz, we just broke down the Sabers Habs game. We're talking Ducks Vegas right now. Obviously, we want your takes on everything. Someone in the chat just said they think the Ducks offense is kind of drying up. What do you think about that? Hard to disagree. I feel like they had so many

[C]

chances last night and couldn't bury third period. They were dynamite. That goal that Owen Zellweger scored, I mean, it looked like they were on a power play with that puck movement. McTavish downloaded. Go Shea. What a sick pass cutter made. But Carter Hart's been really good too. You gotta give him credit. And I know there. There's been moments where I think he's let in some weak ones, but when you need the extra save, Carter Hart's been making them. And I do think that Anaheim's been the better team in the majority of this series. Like they generated most of the chances. The power play is obviously not as hot as it was against Edmonton, but it's still been looking pretty good. And you have guys like, you know, lacombe Truba playing so well in the back end that I. I think you could ask for a little bit more offensively from the comb. Like, he's been a little bit quieter this round than he was against the Oilers, but the Oilers are a much different team defensively than Vegas is. So different matchup. But I don't know, I still think

[B]

they've been generating and generating, generating.

[C]

At some point, it's going to break through. And I think this one, as you guys probably think too, it's going seven, right?

[A]

I 100 and I need it to go seven.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Are you guys going to game six?

[A]

That is the plan. And. Well, here's the thing, dude. I More so. No disrespect to. To pond the center. I want to go game seven. I want to go back to that Zellweger goal, dude. I think him losing the puck helped him. Me too.

[B]

It got hard off the double clutch.

[A]

Totally agreed. Heart over commit and he was able to find that far side corner and it also kind of deflected in. But either way, it was nasty and it totally did feel like a power play. But it was like legitimately the. The presence from Zellweger to not panic and just get that back on his stick and just snap it immediately. Because the second it rolled off, I was like. But then he was like, get it. Shoot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, it was unbelievable.

[B]

Last to your point, dude, I totally agree with. I'd so much. If my offense is dried up, I would so much.

[A]

I can't.

[B]

I can't take your hand.

[A]

Seriously. Welcome to my life, dude.

[B]

Sorry, cp.

[A]

No matter what he says, he feels like an idiot because he looks like a puppet.

[B]

Like a ninja Turtle, dude. It's incredible. I always wanted. Sorry, turtle. I would so much rather my team have 40 shots and just not be scoring enough. But getting chances versus when my team has 12 shots and we feel completely stifled. That, to me, is my offense drying up more than we're getting a Ton of chances. We just haven't potted enough.

[A]

I do want to get L. I want to get to Buffalo, Montreal, because I know you got a lot of thoughts in that series, but I. At what point do the Ducks. Because we were, we were waxing poetic last game about how awesome it is, how Quenville is letting these young boys just run the show. It's like the inmates run the asylum type vibes. Like you've got your unbelievable veterans like Kreider and like Kalorn and like Truba and like Carlson who are there to hold the glue together, to have that good veteran presence. But on the power play, the first line, they are just letting the young boys run. It's been an all season thing. At some point, are the Ducks going to need McTavish to do more if they want to go on a deeper run here?

[C]

Yeah, well, he got a healthy scratch. You guys decided what, seven years, $7 million to. To stay there. You know, obviously it's a first time playoff experience for him too, but you can't use that excuse when you have guys like Beckett, Seneca, who's on fire, Zach Benson in the Buffalo series, who's on fire. And that's something that John Tortorella last night in the post game press conference was talking about. He almost said like, you know, we're seeing this like, new change in narrative where it's almost a benefit for the guys who don't have playoff experience because they just don't really know any better and don't know the significance of the moment. And I found that, like, really interesting from Torres because I feel like he's a guy who you typically would hear like, say the leadership group that has to take over in these moments. But it's not the case for majority of these teams right now and for the ducks and for McTavish. Like, I know just from talking as you guys talk to a lot of guys in the Ducks, I'm sure too, but like, when a coach has his favorites and you're not one of them, I can only speak from, from my perspective, like in college and whatnot. It is very hard to get that out of your head.

[B]

So I don't know.

[C]

I don't know what. Yeah, I don't know what he's going through, but I definitely know that Quinville has his guys.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like he's got like last night, I mean, obviously Leo Carlson's becoming a superstar, but Leo Carlson was like double shifting in overtime last night. He was playing in between, I think McTavish and maybe gauchier and then also Terry and Kreider. I think I might. I might have that wrong. But Chris Crider, I think his first shift of OT was that the, the overtime winner when Dorothea.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So he was only like a couple minutes long, but like, it's just, it's cool to see Quinville using Leo Carlson that much, though, in an overtime. Right? Like, this is a guy who's three years into the league and he's getting double shifted. No tee in the Sailing cup playoffs. Like in a game, pivotal game five. And I feel like in past years we've kind of given young kids excuses, and that doesn't seem to be the case right now with how they're shining in the postseason.

[B]

Last. I wonder in this. I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I wonder if. If it's beneficial that there's so many of them. Like, sometimes if you're the one young guy, you're like, absolutely one without play of experience. Like, I hope I live up to this. But when it's like the whole team, you just look around and you're like, oh, whatever, let's go out there and rip.

[A]

I think absolutely. And like, last. We were talking last episode with Marty about Lacombe and how he's such a horse and he's just playing so many minutes. When you have a guy in the back end who's that young playing that many minutes, it's easier to double shift a guy like Leo because again, you're letting the inmates run the asylum. You're like, this is. It's the young boys team, dude.

[B]

We're.

[A]

We're rolling with it and it's working. It's. It's an interesting thing. I said, I believe Vegas was going to win that game. They won that game. Credit to me, everyone. Credit to Dan. I picked the Ducks, but I think the Ducks go into game six back at home feeling great, honestly.