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Endgame with Gita Wirjawan
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Join entrepreneur, educator, and proud Indonesian, Gita Wirjawan in exploring the ways forward for our society through stories and experiences by thought leaders, trailblazers, and opinion-makers from Indonesia and the region.
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Randy Goebel: Why the Global South Can Still Lead on AI
1w ago00:49:03Tap to summarizeAI today is powered by massive models, massive energy, and massive capital concentration. But what if this trajectory is essentially unsustainable? And what if the Global South could redefine the future of AI?Randy Goebel, an AI scientist and advocate of open science, explores the sustainability crisis behind large language models and the costly cycles that define AI’s history. He also emphasizes that for Southeast Asia and the Global South, the future of AI depends not on hardware, but on building and sustaining intellectual capital.----------------------About the Guest: Randy Goebel is a computer scientist and professor of computing science in the Department of Computing Science, University of Alberta, Canada. He's known for his work in artificial intelligence (AI), machine learning, logic-based reasoning, and explainable AI (XAI). Goebel also helped found the Alberta Machine Intelligence Institute (AMII) and has been deeply involved in AI research and teaching.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #RandyGoebel------------------------You might also like:https://youtu.be/xUdCSq4W1Kk?si=mVh92mCGznE4GEmphttps://youtu.be/WNcW2jHGrtk?si=dVprUeByatSeOfFhhttps://youtu.be/m8h7zojuM5Q?si=7qx3ICQ6Z0oYs11Z
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Tom Ginsburg: Why Constitutional Monarchy Might Be the Best Form of Government
1w ago01:28:14Tap to summarizeGet your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW: https://books.endgame.id/ Also available on Amazon: https://sgpp.me/amazon/ Leave your review here: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes---------------Democracy holds elections. But what makes them meaningful? In an era of polarization, algorithmic amplification, elite capture, and institutional distrust, Gita Wirjawan conversation with Tom Ginsburg asks a deeper question: what sustains constitutional democracy, and what erodes it from within?From Southeast Asia’s dramatic transformation since the 1980s to the rise of authoritarianism at home, this episode weaves these threads together to examine the institutional architecture that makes freedom possible. It explores not only how democracies erode, but also what the best model of governance truly looks like in practice, and the constitutional framework required to sustain it over time.About the guest:Tom Ginsburg is a prominent American legal scholar specializing in comparative constitutional law and international law. He is a professor at the University of Chicago Law School, where he holds an endowed chair. He is widely known for his work on constitutional design, judicial politics, and the role of law in authoritarian regimes.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #TomGinsburg---Episode you might like:https://youtu.be/7VAU6ejU3cc?si=sgdCyi4t9mfqOcxyhttps://youtu.be/PCYpeJYu9hY?si=xzB-5zj0P6ryQr0Vhttps://youtu.be/QZ1vMos7fck?si=C-OTKZ2htha_9dfs
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Wesley Clark: Peace as a Paradoxical Ideal
2w ago01:30:10Tap to summarizeGet your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes---------------Power shapes history, but character shapes the future. Democracies do not collapse in a single dramatic moment; they erode quietly through short-term thinking and the loss of moral clarity.General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, sat down with Gita Wirjawan to reflect on peace, military involvement in global security, and America’s changing identity in a multipolar world.The discussion spans the Middle East, Russia–Ukraine, nuclear risks, and civilian casualties, highlighting the balance between strength and restraint, realism and hope.Full topics:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:09 - Why joined the military0:16:24 - Spirituality & religiosity0:18:26 - History of the birth of America0:29:07 - What is peace?0:37:55 - The US in a multipolar world0:50:56 - Significance: The quest of the 21st century?0:57:29 - Nuclear proliferation1:08:10 - Middle East1:12:25 - A realist look at Ukraine1:14:40 - NATO1:19:20 - Why invest in Southeast Asia#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #WesleyClark------------------About the guest:Wesley Clark is a four-star U.S. Army general who devoted 34 years of service under eight presidents, spanning from the Cold War to the Balkans. He served as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, leading NATO forces during a defining post–Cold War period. His career reflects decades of experience at the intersection of military strategy, political leadership, and the shaping of modern American power.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------You may also like:https://youtu.be/PCYpeJYu9hY?si=mrMhRwUXgvti4-r7https://youtu.be/oT4OcBYEZac?si=b6YgpSOZwkwewcTjhttps://youtu.be/vZ7ocdh_rsk?si=mJKfaZEmXnVmHuYX------------------
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Bhima Yudhistira: Ekonomi Tumbuh, Belum Tentu Dinikmati Semua
4w ago01:27:54Tap to summarizeBuku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.id/Sudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini: / what-it-takes ------------------Ekonomi Indonesia tumbuh 5%, tapi kelas menengah justru makin terjepit di tengah. Mereka dianggap terlalu kaya untuk dapat subsidi, namun terlalu kecil untuk dianggap sejahtera.Apa sebenarnya prioritas ekonomi kita?Pahami penjelasan Bhima Yudhistira, seorang ekonom dan Direktur Eksekutif CELIOS, dalam pembicaraannya dengan Gita Wirjawan.Tentang Bintang Tamu:Bhima Yudhistira adalah ekonom Indonesia yang menjabat sebagai Direktur Eksekutif Center of Economic and Law Studies (Celios). Ia kerap menjadi narasumber di berbagai media nasional untuk membahas kebijakan fiskal, utang negara, investasi, hilirisasi industri, hingga dampak kebijakan publik terhadap kelas menengah dan UMKM.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #BhimaYudhistira-----------------
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Francis Fukuyama: Is Western Civilization in Decline?
Apr 1301:00:15Tap to summarizeGet your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------Francis Fukuyama argues that Western civilization is waning, and America can no longer agree on what it's even defending.In this episode, Professor Fukuyama discusses the deepening crisis within the liberal international order, as well as the symptoms and impact of America’s long-term decline.------------------About the Guest:Francis Fukuyama is a senior fellow at Stanford University's Freeman Spogli Institute and one of the most influential political theorists of the past three decades. Best known for “The End of History and the Last Man”, his work spans liberal democracy, political order, and institutional decay.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------
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How Orientalism Creates Information Asymmetry About Iran - Seyed Mohammad Marandi | Endgame #262
Apr 701:22:58Tap to summarizeWhat is going to stop this war? What does true peace in the Middle East look like?Endgame sits down with Seyed Mohammad Marandi for answers from an Iranian perspective.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SeyedMarandi------------------About the Guest:Seyed Mohammad Marandi is a Professor of English Literature and Orientalism at the University of Tehran. His work spans literature, postcolonial studies, and political analysis.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes
Transcribe →Why This War Could Be a “Turning Point” for the Global Order - Vali Nasr | Endgame #261
Apr 701:29:22Tap to summarizeWhy has Iran refused to break under decades of American and Israeli pressure? What really sustains the Islamic Republic? And what does this war reveal about the fractures in the global order?Nasr argues that reducing Iran to a theocracy misses the point entirely.------------------About the Guest:Vali Nasr served as Dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and as Senior Advisor to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is the author of several landmark books, including The Dispensable Nation, The Shia Revival, and his most recent, Iran’s Grand Strategy — which frames much of the conversation in this episode.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------You might also like:https://youtu.be/oT4OcBYEZac?si=RL9-S29Ljw9yWjb-https://youtu.be/rsi7cDRUrmE?si=tvu8hd9rRPFm5FIZhttps://youtu.be/eMNiQEmU4kc?si=tk0Q8L1nJv6SHh0q------------------
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Mengapa Hukum yang Buruk Boleh Ditentang? - Bivitri Susanti | Endgame #260
Mar 3001:34:50Tap to summarizeMasyarakat yang cerdas tak akan patuhi hukum yang buruk. "Good people disobey bad law," kata pendiri Pusat Studi Hukum dan Kebijakan (PSHK)—Bivitri Susanti.Ketika itu terjadi, legitimasi hukum pun terguncang. Lantas bagaimana kita harus menyikapinya?Pahami penjelasan Bibip (panggilan akrab Bivitri) dalam episode ini selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:18 - Kenapa belajar hukum0:05:56 - Titik balik0:09:20 - Dualisme hukum0:17:29 - Legal vs Legalistik0:20:35 - Kaitan hukum & pendidikan0:30:56 - Kepatuhan vs Ketertiban0:41:08 - Kriminalisasi kebijakan0:50:09 - Makna & strategi aktivisme1:00:42 - Cara berpikir1:09:53 - Board of Peace1:19:44 - Populisme & dampaknya1:24:22 - “Saya masih optimis”1:29:11 - Feodalisme1:31:04 - Ide besar, jangan sempit tafsir#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #BivitriSusanti------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:https://youtu.be/jrpsebCJ0_o?si=ADhUv9oqXiJIEA2qhttps://youtu.be/Yw1Ivy1VqUo?si=r-_iaE18AcaXkoK-https://youtu.be/_A6x_21ojD0?si=BzrxU7PcZGcBla78------------------Special thanks to our ‘Future Narrators’ channel members:Mariko Yoshihara, Yemotto IBRAHIM, hobi kluyuran, Fajar Prasetyo, Dyah Firgiani, keetkaat, Excel-lent, Arie Gunardi, Yayi Trisnawati D, Teddy Chow, Wwertyssnb, Crispy_Cracker58, Priyanithi Dharsania Negara, Widi Aphrian, hndraable, hendro trihatmojo, Muhammad Taufik Evendi, QunÔºáan Syukrilah, azam adnani, Charles Andrew Tang, Ariyo Arinsa Putra, Reda Bellarbi, Jaz Simbolon, Muhammad Ismail Mubarak, Stefanus B. W., KATE WOLSKA, pixelcadet, Itje Chodidjah, Geralt Fajar Bukan, Jack Duan, Elmi CK Ong, Lucy March, Anggun Noventina, Irawan Purwono, Krishna Putra, Agnes Pranindita, Darso Arafa, nazaruddin nasir, 747sgw, benget yakub, Patricia S, ferra febrianti, De Guda Kessa, Gusko Adnyana, mjk939, Jerry Budiman, Mawan Darmawan, diah anggraini, Ainur Rofiq, Adrian Baskoro, Bambang Haryanto, Ezwan Zakaria, Marilyn C, Kianti Darusman, Revolution R, liza dewi, Joanna FKG, Susanto Uno, Taswin Munier, M Firaldi Akbar Zulkarnain, Super ‚ÄúBuupy Pub‚Äù Bondon, Ferdy Reza, Elnasdi Moda, Hendry Ahen, Aria Widyanto, Ilham R, Ayu Arman, Haju Ara Podcast, Flores Exotic Tours, Meilisva AA Taniel, nonik martyastuti, Niki S, Anita Amalia, hardianiati, Salwaluna Maryam, Dewi Risnawati, birgietta katherine, Derry Harnanda, Aleyandra Rizka Amalia, Ridwan Sakidja, Rita Sahara, Sanityas Prawatyani, Teddy Sutendi, erna girirachman, Alvin Rivaldi, Ronny Wijaya, Sam K Nugraha, Arif R3 Vibration, FBC Ponto, Stella sinaga, chandrawati Saragih, Kawal Jakarta, Elmi Dignity, Yufud Rahayun, Calvin Go, Freddy Wijaya, Toto Parminto, Bambang Made, Nova Rahayu Yusuf, Oktavianto Dwi Wicaksono, Muhi Futon, Sophia Alizsa, fsoenardi, Hadzunda Laga, ULFA, R K, Dina Siswa, Daniel Tagu Dedo, adam fadrian, muhammad afif, Okvina Juita, Yoggi Dinata, Nofliyana, NOVEDY HUSAINI, Kacamata Indra, Asyraf Mursalina, Cindy Permatasari, tanto thesman, Jarry Rinaldy, RACHMAD ARIFUDDIN AMKL, eka nurlita, Arief widyanto
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Jiang Xueqin: Our True Wealth Is Our Consciousness
Mar 1602:00:57Tap to summarizeEndgame presents Jiang Xueqin from ‘Predictive History’, a Beijing-based free thinker and high school teacher, in a conversation about how exactly the world works.Topics covered:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:04 - Harsh upbringing0:04:48 - Education journey0:14:41 - Skull and Bones0:19:35 - Naivitae & Depression0:22:28 - How journalism has evolved0:33:09 - Shifting world order0:38:36 - Civil war0:43:32 - Battle between elites0:45:59 - AI & consciousness0:54:28 - Trans-humanism0:56:13 - Board of Peace1:03:11 - Middle East1:25:46 - Will this war be never-ending?1:32:48 - Nuclear probability: “close to zero”1:37:59 - Economic repercussion1:42:13 - Gog and Magog1:48:00 - Midterm election1:50:45 - Conspiracy is no longer a conspiracy’1:52:25 - Approach to education1:56:01 - “You matter”1:58:35 - On love1:59:18 - Trump-Xi upcoming meeting#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #JiangXueqinRecorded on March 8, 2026.------------------About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------You might also like:Keyu Jin: Centralized Power, Decentralized EconomyChina Predicted Its Rise 75 Years Ago - Eric X. LiVictor Gao on How the US Misunderstands China
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We’re Not in World War III Yet, Realist John Mearsheimer Explains
Mar 1301:59:16Tap to summarizeIn his third appearance at Endgame, John Mearsheimer talks about the latest development on the global politics on the brink of another world war. The conversation spans from the Iran Conflict, the Ukraine War, East Asia, and the possibility of a nuclear war—soon.More on this episode:0:00:00 - Intro0:01:57 - Monroe Doctrine: History & Future0:09:14 - East Asia: “High priority item"0:12:34 - “Bond between Iran and China will grow”0:13:20 - Why the Ukraine War is a miscalculation0:15:33 - Board of Peace0:27:41 - The price you pay for a US alliance0:32:16 - Israel’s end goal for Iran0:39:42 - US-Iran, another miscalculation?0:46:33 - How long will the US/Israel-Iran War last0:54:27 - Ground troops0:59:45 - Nuclear war possibility1:02:48 - Are we in World War III already?1:06:10 - Nuclear proliferation in a multipolar world1:13:38 - Will the Shia and Sunnis come together?1:19:16 - Economic repercussions1:25:27 - Foreseeing US politics1:44:27 - Frozen conflict in Ukraine1:53:27 - Messages for aspiring diplomatsRecorded on March 5, 2026.------------------About the guest:John Joseph Mearsheimer is an international relations theorist (a realist) who served as the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in the Political Science Department at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-ytAnd leave your review here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes
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