Texas generators and grid operators used to spend a decade or two planning for new power plants.

But as Gin Kinney, chief administrative officer at NRG Energy, told Energy Capital Podcast hosts Matt Boms and Josh Rhodes at CERAweek in Houston this year, the company’s planning horizon has collapsed to 12-18 months.

The company’s activity reflects the dynamic growth of the ERCOT grid. Kinney said NRG has sourced 5.4 gigawatts of natural gas turbines, secured a labor arrangement with the construction company Kiewit, and begun construction on three gas plants funded in part through the Texas Energy Fund.

ERCOT’s demand forecasts, which should inform the plans of developers such as NRG, have been hard to pin down at best.

Yet while no one can say for sure how much of the new load is actually coming to Texas, it’s clear that demand is going to rise substantially and very quickly. That’s why, as Gin explained, NRG is focused on the assets, not the timeline of the load they’ll serve.

This rapid growth means grid connection — speed to power — has never been more important. In this episode, Josh describes a 350-megawatt data center going up near El Paso, outside of ERCOT, that’s being powered by roughly 800 small generators — because larger generation units weren’t available on the data center’s construction timeline.

Such behind-the-meter, bring-your-own-power projects are what happens when speed-to-power is a grid’s binding constraint.

They also show the vital importance of load flexibility. Every megawatt of flexible load is a megawatt of generation that does not have to be built, financed, or fought over. In this episode, Gin discusses NRG’s work on virtual power plants and new hyperscaler contracts as steps toward a more flexible grid.

The question is how to scale such efforts. This episode points to ways that grid participants are working to answer it.

Timestamps

* 00:00 - Introduction & Gin Kinney

* 04:42 - NRG’s One-Gigawatt Virtual Power Plant

* 06:07 - Affordability, T&D Costs, and the Smart Home Strategy

* 09:09 - How NRG Uses AI in Operations and the Home

* 12:49 - Texas Market Outlook and Speed of Development

* 20:07 - Texas Energy Fund and NRG’s Construction Progress

* 21:06 - Hyperscalers, Bring Your Own Power, and Community Investment

* 27:41 - Post-Conversation: VPP Mechanics and the Gentailer Difference

* 34:13 - Load Growth Numbers and What Is Actually Real

* 38:57 - Data Centers, Bridge Power, and Speed to Grid

* 42:39 - SB6, Legislative Hearings, and Who Should Set the Rules

Resources

Guest, Host, and Organizations

* Gin Kinney (NRG Profile)

* NRG Energy (Website)

* Reliant (Website)

* Joshua Rhodes (LinkedIn)

* Webber Energy Group (Website - LinkedIn)

* IdeaSmiths (Website - LinkedIn)

* Matt Boms (LinkedIn)

* Texas Advanced Energy Business Alliance (Website)

Organizations & Individuals Mentioned

* Pablo Vegas (LinkedIn)

* ERCOT (Website)

* ERCOT ADER Pilot Program (Website)

* ERCOT Long-Term Load Forecast (Website)

* Public Utility Commission of Texas (Website)

* Texas Energy Fund (Website)

* SB6 Implementation Rulemaking, Project No. 58317 (Website)

* Columbia University Center on Global Energy Policy (Website)

* CERAWeek by S&P Global (Website)

Company & Industry News

* NRG Energy Completes Acquisition of 13 GW of Power Generation and C&I VPP Portfolio from LS Power

* Sunrun and NRG Energy Announce Partnership to Harness the Power of Distributed Energy in Texas

* ERCOT’s Large Load Queue Jumped Almost 300% Last Year

* NRG Completes Acquisition of Vivint Smart Home

Related Podcasts by Energy Capital

* NRG’s Gigawatt VPP in Texas with Travis Kavulla

* Who Pays for the New Grid with Pablo Vegas

* Who Pays for Texas Grid Growth — Roundtable Discussion

Related Posts by Texas Energy & Power

* More Power that’s Faster and Fairer — Roundtable Discussion

* Connecting the Regulatory Dots Shaping Texas Energy

Transcript

Matt Boms (00:05.166)

So we are here live at CERAweek in Houston, Texas, and we have a very special guest with us today. Gin Kinney is Executive Vice President and Chief Administrative Officer at NRG Energy, where she leads marketing, communications, and customer experience. She brings more than 20 years of experience, including over a decade in the energy sector, and has played a key role in building NRG’s brand and shaping a more customer-focused

digitally driven organization. She’s also active in industry and community leadership with a focus on sustainability and advancing women and energy. Gin, thanks so much for joining us today.

Gin Kinney (00:42.306)

Hey, thank you. It’s great to be here.

Joshua Rhodes (00:44.258)

Yeah, so one of the things from your background is you really came from renewable energy development before joining NRG. How is that path shaped like your role or what you see your role is at NRG?

Gin Kinney (00:55.682)

Coming from a startup environment to a comparative behemoth, right? You definitely learn a lot on the fly in the entrepreneurial world. You definitely learn how to be scrappy, have a lot of grit, say yes a lot to challenges. You also learn how to manage things at a different scale, be really close to the customer. And I think also coming from that entrepreneurial world where you’re working on project finance or you’re working on project development, well, this is how we’ve always done it before.

And so I try to bring that mindset to NRG where we’re much larger, but the excuse of we’re not going to change or we’re going to, instead of innovate or sort of take chances, we’re going to protect the status quo. I think the other piece of that too is this competitive nature. When you’re a startup or you’re entrepreneurial, you’re competing every day for dollars. You’re competing for space, you’re competing for customers. And when you have this highly competitive spirit, you’re always playing to win.

And that’s what we try to bring to NRG too, is that play to win, not protect the status quo.

Joshua Rhodes (01:59.244)

You think that fits better in Texas with other places given like the competitive nature of like the generation market in the retail space you operate in?

Gin Kinney (02:07.416)

Texas certainly provides us the opportunity to move fast. Policy and regulators clear the pathway to get things done, get things built. And in Texas, in the competitive markets we serve, every day we have to earn the trust. We have to fight for those customers and we have to show up for them. We’re not just abou...

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