Happy holidays! To celebrate, I’m returning to 2025’s most popular episodes of Energy Thinks—including this five-star feast with Chad Zamarin, CEO of Williams.

What you’ll get in this episode of Energy Thinks

A great conversation (as usual) with Chad. His optimism is infectious. So is his discipline in resisting telling potential partners “I told you so” about The Myth. He’s focused on building relationships with those partners instead. Listen and learn why you should, too.

Why Chad?

Chad’s not afraid to hit hard or take a stand … and he sees The Moment as a generational opportunity for oil and gas to lead. Chad and I dig into the unraveling of The Myth of an Easy Energy Transition to discuss the bold plays he is making in The Moment at Williams.

Bonus content!

* The Myth and The Moment: From Polarization to Progress in the New Energy Landscape is available to order on Amazon.

* Watch the episode on YouTube or listen on Substack for our exploration of The Myth and The Moment.

What to do next in The Moment

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Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday season!

Tisha

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