How to Hack Your Body for Longevity and Peak Energy (Harry Massey)

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Podcast Summary: Escaping the Drift with John Gafford

Episode: How to Hack Your Body for Longevity and Peak Energy (Harry Massey)

Guest: Harry Massey (Founder, NES Health XPO Health, bioenergetics expert, entrepreneur, health futurist, filmmaker)
Date: March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

John Gafford sits down with bioenergetics pioneer Harry Massey to explore the frontiers of longevity, energy, and health optimization. Massey—a former patient turned inventor—shares unconventional tools, mindsets, and science-backed methods for living longer, feeling better, and maintaining vitality, including cutting-edge wearables, field-based medicine, physical routines, and emotional management. The episode blends the host’s curiosity with Massey’s deep experiential knowledge to deliver practical tips, revealing lessons from Massey’s recovery from chronic illness and offering listeners a window into the future of health.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Harry Massey's Personal Origin Story

• Dramatic Health Challenges:
  • Three major accidents in youth (ice climbing spine fracture, paragliding accident, severe Epstein Barr virus) led to Addison’s disease and eight years bedridden.
  • Exhausted all conventional and alternative treatments without improvement.
  • Pivotal realization: “I don’t have any energy, so I should study where energy comes from.” (02:05)
• Path to Bioenergetics:
  • Studies the physics of living systems, partners with scientist Peter Fraser, and invents a suite of devices and a physics-first system for healing.

2. How the Body Generates and Loses Energy

• Battery Analogy:
  • The body acts like a battery. You can charge it up, but leaks (pain, inefficiency, negative emotions) drain your capacity.
  • “Pain and injuries… will use three to five times more ATP.” (07:07)
  • Negative emotions like anxiety and anger can waste “30 to 50% more energy.”
  • “Health or vitality is literally just two things: It’s just voltage…divided by resistance.” (09:18)
• Approach to Healing and Longevity:
  • Identify and eliminate energy leaks before trying to add more energy.
  • Key interventions: resolving injuries, improving organ efficiency, managing emotional state.

3. Managing Jet Lag & Acute Energy Loss

• NAD+ Advice:
  • “Once it’s already happened...quickest way is actually injecting NAD.” (05:01)
  • Oral Lipsomal NAD+ “does absolutely nothing.” Massey recommends NMN or direct NAD injections.
• Natural Recovery:
  • Respect recovery time after travel, get into nature, and adjust through gentle activity.
  • “Just being out in nature helps reset the circadian rhythm.” (06:30)

4. Bioenergetic Devices and Technologies

• The My Health Device:
  • Handheld device using laser + electrotherapy to accelerate healing of pain/injury (not the controversial “bed”).
• Field-based Communication:
  • Beyond chemistry: “Your nervous system is producing a field, your heart produces a magnetic field…cell to cell communication using photons, basically light.” (13:40)
• Guided Energy & Emotional Management Wearable (GEM):
  • Measures 13 emotional states via advanced pulse wave analysis.
  • “When you have awareness, you can do something about it… the app will basically coach you.” (16:33)
  • New features in development: face, tongue, voice, and lab integrations for holistic insights.

5. Emotional Health vs. Physical Health

• Mind > Mouth:
  • “Ultimately, it’s your head, because your head also controls what goes in your mouth.” (21:29)
• Longitudinal Data:
  • The ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) study: “Three or more adverse childhood events… a 20-year reduction in lifespan.” (21:56)

6. Lifestyle Interventions—What Works & What Doesn’t

John runs through rapid-fire health fads for Massey’s take:

• Peptides (BP157, TB500):
  • BP157: Good for injuries/inflammation but best injected locally.
  • TB500: Regenerates thymus, supports immune system, potentially reverses biological aging. “If you have a big, healthy thymus, your repair system...is unlocked.” (26:28)
• Grounding Mats & PEMF:
  • Grounding mats: Supports the theory but says, “I didn’t notice enough.” Swimming outdoors is better grounding.
  • PEMF mats: “All good, too… three times a week is good.” (30:33)
• Red Light Therapy:
  • Most panels are underpowered; natural sunlight yields much more benefit.
  • “Sunlight…40 or 50 times more red light than you would ever get in red light panels.” (31:35)
• EWOT (Exercise With Oxygen Training):
  • “Very stimulatory, but it’s good.” (33:06)
• Basics Matter Most:
  • “The three main organs you want to look after are the brain, your heart, and your muscles.” (33:42)
  • “Low-impact cardiovascular exercise is the best you can do for brain and heart.” (33:42)
  • “Good, strong muscles have also been highly correlated to living life a long time.”

7. Advanced Regenerative Approaches

• Stem Cells & Peptides:
  • Massey working on “imprinting” field info onto stem cells to target repair.
  • “Unless you’ve cleared out the body and recoded it...putting stem cells is probably waste...” (38:17)
  • “You want to decode the body, remove resistance (inflammation, negative emotions), recode, then restore.” (38:18)
• Ozone (EVOO):
  • Ozone therapy for “super clean blood.”

8. Alzheimer’s & Age-Related Brain Decline

• Root Cause:
  • “Biggest thing is just high, high blood sugar over time. Mostly lifestyle, bad diet.” (40:06)
  • Aerobic exercise and keeping blood sugar in check are top prevention.
  • GLP-1 agonists: Use “to help you make the change into a more healthy lifestyle,” but not as a magic bullet. (40:57)

9. Supplements and Superfoods Real Talk

• Blood Work:
  • Massey runs labs every three months; recommends at least every six if aiming for basic health.
• Supplements:
  • “A lot of supplements are a bit useless. I’m much more of a fan of getting it all from superfoods, whole foods, juices, etc.” (43:20)
  • Isolating ingredients may have unexpected effects: turmeric lowers testosterone in men. Use targeted, short-term interventions—not constant supplementation.
• Peptides:
  • Use for a specific window, not habitually, or “your body…creates a new baseline.”

10. The Filmmaker Side—Spreading the Message

• The Living Matrix:
  • Massey co-produced this leading health documentary to communicate bioenergetics to the mainstream.
• Current Project:
  • “Master Your Energy”—a documentary about Massey’s story and innovations (not directed by him).

11. Massey’s Minimum Viable Longevity Plan

If you do nothing else:

1. Aerobic exercise is your most important tool (“I would just say, OK, aerobic exercise is probably the simplest and you’ll get the most benefit.”—48:26)
   • Formula: “Take your age… It’s max heart rate minus your age; chatGPT will give you the number.” (48:55)
2. Bioenergetics:
   • Learn about field-based interventions for safe, side effect–free health gains (“Look into bioenergetics… using fields to improve your health.” —49:27)
   • See e4l.com for info.
3. Emotional awareness + daily journaling:
   • Use gratitude, intention, surrender, and trust (the GIST process) to manage state and remove psychological “leaks.” (19:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On energy leaks:
  “If your energy leaks are too high, you just don’t have enough left to go about your day-to-day life and to heal. So, the whole game is to reduce the leaks and increase the amount of energy you put in your system.” —Harry Massey (09:18)

• On emotional state:
  “If you’ve had [three or more adverse childhood events], you have four times more likely risk of having a heart attack, of getting cancer… overall you have a 20-year reduction in your lifespan.” (21:56)

• On quick hacks vs. foundation:
  “If you think something is a magic bullet… that’s just not the right way to look at it. Health is not like that, unfortunately. You’ve got to tackle the big areas first.” (41:48)

• On supplements:
  “A lot of supplements are a bit useless. Honestly, I’m much more a fan of superfoods, whole foods…” (43:20)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 02:05 — Harry Massey’s health collapse and entry into bioenergetics
• 07:07 — Understanding energy as a battery and sources of leaks
• 13:40 — The body’s field-based communication and technology overview
• 16:33 — Emotional analytics from wearable tech; GIST journaling
• 21:56 — Emotional trauma’s long-term health effects (ACE study)
• 26:28 — Peptides, thymus, and immune regulation’s role in longevity
• 31:35 — Sunlight vs. red light panels for phototherapy
• 33:42 — The three most important organs for longevity and the case for basic cardio
• 38:17 — Blueprint for longevity: decode, recode, restore
• 40:06 — The real risk factors behind Alzheimer’s and metabolic decline
• 43:20 — Supplement skepticism and unexpected “third order” effects
• 45:59 — Massey’s filmmaking story
• 48:26 — Massey’s two musts for health: aerobic exercise and bioenergetics awareness

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Get serious about addressing “energy leaks”—pain, injury, emotional stress, inflammation—before seeking high-tech interventions.
• Foundational habits trump gadgets: prioritize aerobic exercise, muscle maintenance, and a healthy emotional state.
• Use bioscience as a scaffold, but don’t fall for “magic bullet” solutions.
• Emotional health has as great or greater an impact as diet. Daily gratitude/intention journaling is a powerful tool.
• Advanced regenerative therapies hold promise, but only in context: clean up lifestyle and inner noise first.
• Read the data: regular blood work, personalized nutrition, supplement cycles—not shotgun approaches—yield sustainable results.
• Be cautious: many health products lack demonstrated potency; sunlight and natural practices often outperform gadgets.

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Resources & Further Learning

• Harry Massey:
  • massey.com
  • Instagram: @harrymasseyofficial
  • Bioenergetics info: e4l.com
• Podcast:
  • Escaping the Drift

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Transcript

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And now, escaping the Drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the Drift, and it's time to start right now. Back again. Back again for another episode of. Like it says in the opening, the show that gets you from where you are to where you want to be. And if where you want to be is healthy and to live for a really, really long time. I have a really super interesting guy beaming in from the sunny slopes of Park City, Utah, into the studio today. He is somebody that is an inventor, he is a systems thinker, he is a health futurist. We're going to get into exactly what that is. He's the founder of NES Health XPO Health Energy for Life. Like I said, he's a bioenergetic expert, an entrepreneur, a speaker and a filmmaker. And he's here to tell you how to live forever. Maybe not forever, but for longer than you're planning on living now anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. This is Harry Massey. Harry, what's up, man?

[Harry Massey]

It's all good. I'll totally tell people how to live forever. I'm. I'm. I'm gonna live forever myself.

[John Gafford]

You're gonna live. We're living for. With, you know, I always think about. I always think about.

[Harry Massey]

My minimum is 120, but I think as long as we can do that, we'll keep going.

[John Gafford]

Yeah. I always like to think about the movie Talladega Nights when Ricky Bobby says, you know, with my high level of income and the advancements of science, there's no reason I can't expect to live to 165, 185 years old. But it was. So how did you get into this, man? How did you get into.

[Harry Massey]

This is a pretty curious story, but when I was 20, I had these three very dramatic accidents or instances in my life, but one, I was ice climbing and I fell, fractured my spine. And this was in Scotland. I didn't know I'd fractured my spine, to be honest, until I'd Had a paragliding accident another year, year and a half later. And that time when they took me to hospital, they saw that I had a fractured spine from before. I also was living a very, very hedonistic life, rock climbing at university and partying. So it's like burning the candle to a ridiculous extent. And I ended up getting like a, just sort of an Epstein Barr virus on another climbing trip and got really, really wiped out. And in short, in short, I ended up with Addison's disease and ended up bedridden for eight whole years. And I say bedroom. I was basically stuck at home looking up at a dog, sort of ceiling, barely being able to think, you know, I couldn't elucidate a thought and tried absolutely everything from a normal, I say a normal, I don't know what normal is, but from a dietary point of view, I tried every type of diet, I did all the fasting or functional medicine type things you would have heard of, but none of, none of that works. After about seven or so years I basically thought to myself, I don't have any energy so I should study where energy comes from. Which brought me into this wonderful world of bioenergetics, which is the study of energy in living systems. Ended up meeting a scientist from Australia who'd been looking, looking at how the body works from a physics point of view, which I can get into. That's a whole, whole sort of topic in itself. And from that I ended up, I basically ended up inventing with this other scientist who died about 12 years ago now. But we ended up inventing this whole sort of physics first system of healing and a whole bunch of different devices and technology came out of that.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, it's super interesting. I was literally. I'm so happy to see you, Ron, here today because I am, I, I went to Antarctica last week and I am so, I've been so jet lagged all week I'm like, is something wrong with me or am I jet lagged? Or I have no, like, dude, 2:30 in the afternoon, I'm cooked every day, just have no energy right now. So I was like, man, I'm going to talk to the energy guy. Random question. Before we get into real specific, we do jet lag. What can you do for that? Right? Because that's what I need help right now. I'm dying.

[Harry Massey]

Well, once it's already happened, it's. In your case, there's nothing we can do. Before you fly, you've already come. Well, you've already come back. That's a different story. Now you're back. Actually, the quickest way is actually injecting nad. I would say

[John Gafford]

I take lipsom rule, I take lipsomo NAD plus. Good. No, doesn't do anything.

[Harry Massey]

Absolutely nothing. What will work a bit better is nmn. So you can, you can take nmn and that will convert to nad. But if you just want to get over, you know, if you've been doing some very exhausting business trip and you just need to get back on your game, you can just buy an NAD file and you, you basically, you basically inject. If you inject that for a couple of days, you, you, you're going to be back, back to normal, you'll be fine. And then, then the other, you know, you probably already know this, but just, you know, you do have to, you do actually have to take it a bit, a bit, a bit easier. Like when you come back, just taking those two day, you know, two days off and being a bit more, you know, nice to yourself and reading a book and all these other things. Oh, and actually invade. You're in Vegas. Yeah, I was in Vegas. I, I would go out to Red Rocks and, you know, I, I would just have a day or two hiking. I just make sure I got outside for, for a few hours. Just, just being out in nature helps

[John Gafford]

reset, you know, reset the circadian rhythm. Yep. Yeah, it, it was, we did. I was in the air for 63 hours over eight days. It was wild.

[Harry Massey]

Brutal. That is brutal.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, I mean, it's Emirates business class, so it's not that brutal. That was actually. I mean, I, I love that flight, but, but still, it's, it's a lot. I didn't know which way was up, which was, which was nuts. All right, so let's talk about energy in the body. Let's talk about where it comes from, the physics of it, why people lose it, how to get it back.

[Harry Massey]

So. Well, you can lose it for all sorts of different reasons, but I'll, I'll just start on a general principle. If you look at your body as a bit like being a battery, so you can top your energy up and basically you want to have, have your energy high. And then the real trick of it is looking at what leaks your energy. And there's a few very significant links. So one is when you're in pain or if you're injured, your muscles will basically use three to five times more and more ATP than they would if they're nice and nice and flexible. So pain and injuries is a big leak of energy. The second, the second actually is Just having inefficiency in, in the body. So if you, if you are living an unhealthy life and you know, your kidneys aren't working properly, your liver is growing properly, that, that's just general inefficiency which I'll get to how we solve that in a minute. And then the third biggest, the, well it's actually one of the largest but, and it's the most easy for you to solve is basically negative emotions and different states. So. And that can use like 30 to 50% more energy overall. So let's take, you could be angry. Let's just say you're angry. If you're, if you're angry, you're wasting all that extra thought energy in your head. And it's the same with anxieties that take anxiety and anger. You're using all that extra thought energy. It creates far more cortisol release, it could create adrenaline release. It's firing up your sympathetic systems that you can't, you can't rest and relax. And so overall that will just burn up a ton of energy. And so how people actually lose, lose their energy over time is generally through, is through stress, it can be through over, over training, getting, getting injuries and then just general, just general things that will inflame their bodies. If you live it, you know, if you live a bad, a bad lifestyle etc, or you know where you could get a viral infection or things like that. So and when, if you look at the body, you can look at the body from a very, very simple equation that's really just health or vitality is literally, it's literally just two things. It's just voltage which is your overall charge and it's divided by resistance. And resistance is what we're, is basically what we've talked with, what we've talked about. It's where you're leaking, leaking all the energy or another way is healing equals your overall sort of energy reserve minus all of the, all of the energy leaks. If your energy leaks are too high, you just don't have enough energy left to go about your day to day life and to heal. So the whole, the whole game is to reduce the leaks and increase the amount of energy you put in your system. But to begin with, you don't really want to just put energy in to a broken system because it, you know, it's like putting I guess rocket fuel in a really bad car. Like it'll just blow up.

[John Gafford]

Well, what I'm thinking is like, it's kind of like your iPhone, right? Like when you first get it and you charge it. It'll stay charged for like three days and then like two years later the quality of the battery goes down. So as much as you charge it.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, it's all inefficient.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, yeah. As much as you charge it doesn't matter. So same way. So it doesn't matter what you do if your max battery capacity is only at 65%. So what you're trying to do is repair the battery from 65 back to 100.

[Harry Massey]

Exactly. How do we do that and then make the body super efficient again? Well, the mate, the main, biggest con. Well, I'll take it, I'll take it in the three parts. So one, one with pain. Pain and injuries. See there's a lot you can do from you know, body work, yoga, stretching, etc. But from our point of view, we, we made a device called the My Health that combines a laser in with electro therapy and then it puts information in on the signal on top. And the short version is it'll speed up an injury's healing or a wound by three to four times the normal, the normal rate that your body would. So that, that's how we would do pain and injuries.

[John Gafford]

I saw that. This is the bed. This is the bed, right?

[Harry Massey]

Actually not, no, that's not the bed. It's a handheld device that you can just. Yeah, the bed. I don't know where you came across the bed but. Because I haven't brought that to market, but yes.

[John Gafford]

Oh yeah, I saw it. Yeah, I thought that was the bed. Okay, sorry, we'll get to that.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, there's things on the Internet that may not be there.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, no Bad, there's no better prototype that's coming out anytime soon. We don't know what we're talking about at this point. No, Bad, this is a handheld device.

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[Harry Massey]

Just I've licensed technology to other bed companies. Okay. But anyway, that aside, and then, but the biggest, the biggest part, and the biggest part is basically just making all of the body's organs really efficient in how they function and in how they use energy. And for this we have to go down at least a five minute wonderful little rabbit hole. Let's go, let's go. So we're all used to the body working as a big bag, big bag of chemicals. And you know, the conventional viewpoint is there's basically only a chemical control system. So you know, a chemical molecule comes along to a cell, it hits a cell receptor and then it goes and goes and does something. However, there's also a field based communication system in the body. So for example, your nervous system is producing a field, your heart produces a magnetic field. You even have cell to cell communication using photons based basically light. And that's what we call the body field. And so from a physics point of view, that's the master overall control system because physics sits above chemistry, chemistry sits above biology. Biology governs healing and how we get better. And the most effective way that we can get our body to be more efficient is basically just to give it direct instructions. And you can, we can use an electromagnetic field and we can use light, we can do it through a, through a wearable device as well. And we basically just imprint information straight back into the body and that will help your body to become more energy efficient. And then the last, the last way is the whole negative emotional side. That's a, that's a big topic in itself. But you know, the first, the first thing is awareness. So made a, so I made a wearable called a gem. That stands for guided energy and emotional management. That'll tell you out of 13 different emotional states who basically where you're at and when you have awareness, you can do something about, about it. And the app will basically co, you know, coach you with what to do about it. But it will also send back a bias signature back in, back into the body to, to help reduce, reduce your stress and help to balance your emotions.

[John Gafford]

What, what's generating that data? Is it your electromagnetic field or is it your physiology? Is it blood pressure, pulse, temperature?

[Harry Massey]

Also all sorts of little things. But the one, one, one of the main really interesting parts is in, in Chinese medicine, the Chinese will basically read your pulse by putting the fingers on the wrist and feeling the pressure wave. So through a PPG sensor on the wearable, we can look at the shape of your pulse wave, which is a bit different to. Well, it's a big advance from what an UR or a WHOOP would do, which is just looking at heart rate variabilities. We're looking at the full, the full shape of your pulse. So that's one. So that's how we're getting the emotional state. But then the other, the other part that actually has been doing the last four days I've been very, I've literally just, I've got very obsessed with inventing last four days. But just, I just worked out a way that we can take this is the camera in your phone, look at your, look at a video of your face, look at your tongue read also listen to your voice. And that from a Chinese medicine perspective also also contains all of this other information analysis. And then I'm going to combine that with, with blood labs as well. So that'll, that'll give you a really, really. You don't need the blood labs to read emotions. But yeah, that will give you a very, very deep, deep analysis of what's going on. And because the wearables, you know, on you. We've got, we've got all that information. You've got all that information 24 7.

[John Gafford]

What, what was the testing like for this, for the baselines and the test groups and what was the testing like? Because this is, all, this is like nobody else is making this stuff. You guys are the only ones.

[Harry Massey]

Right, so. Well, I've had an R D company for 20, 24 years, so it's not. So it hasn't, you know, it doesn't come out overnight, but it, but in, in the particular pulse bit, they basically, basically I used ch. I. I used Chinese medicine practitioners to read, to read, to read pulses and then I measured with a PPG to see, to see what they looked looked like and then, and then then basically ended up writing algorithms to fit the shape. The, the shape Chinese most price. That's how we did that part. All of the, all of the Face, tongue, et cetera. I can do. I can do with AI Honestly, if AI had existed three and a half, four years ago, I probably would have derived the pulse stuff without all the hard work we had to do.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, you'd be so much. You'd be so much further in a different direction now because you can get there that fast. And so to change. To change, you said during the app, it walks you through. Is this like meditation? Is this. I mean, are we breathing exercises? How are you bringing people? How are you changing state?

[Harry Massey]

So from our thinking, I basically have this process called the gist process that stands for gratitude, intention, surrender and trust. And basically it does it through journaling. But in short, if you write down each day what you're grateful for, but basically you look at what you did yesterday, you notice the winds, you know you like, you give gratitude to the people in the situations, that automatically calms you down, but it also puts you in a state of receivership and then. And then a. Basically right intentions for the. For the day. And you know, a lot of those intentions might be written in a. Like in a win, win, win type thinking. So it'd be a win, it's a win for yourself, but it would be a win for the other party or parties and then a win for. For overall society. And that. That helps to make sure that your intention is B. Is basically aligned with what the. What the universe, or if you like what. What society and what the world around you will support. And then you surrender the how as to how it happens to the universal God, if you like. Like the. From a. I'm from a physics point of view. And physics to me is the same as religion. Yeah. Like, and then you basically trust that it works out in your highest interest. So in short, it's a combination of giving you awareness. So we're giving you an awareness of what your emotional state is. And then through a journaling practice, you can then take that awareness and help shape your life day, basically day by day. And then over time, it very rapidly improves and iterates. What.

[John Gafford]

What do you think has a bigger impact on your overall health? What goes in your mouth or what goes in your head?

[Harry Massey]

You know, ultimately it's because your head is your head, because your head also controls what goes in your mouth.

[John Gafford]

True. Fair. Okay. Okay. That's. You can't loophole. You can't loophole it. I mean, what I'm saying is, is emo. Does emotional state you think have a longer.

[Harry Massey]

Is.

[John Gafford]

Is that a worse detriment to the body than Than, than what then? Now granted, I'm not talking about like Burger King and Twinkies every day. I'm talking about like, well, so

[Harry Massey]

there's a long term study called the ACE studies that looked at adverse childhood events and different diseases. And if you've had more than three or three or more adverse childhood events and they aren't necessarily that significant, but it's just having a difficult, a difficult childhood, it doesn't have to be some extreme, extreme situation. If you've had three of those, you have four times more likely risk of having of a heart attack, of getting cancer, etc. But here's the most crazy statistic is you actually have, overall you have a 20 year reduction in your lifespan. And so meaning if the average person, you know, lives to 85, if you've had more than three, three childhood events, that then basically makes you stressed for, you know, for, for eternity, you would only live to 65. So that, so it's extremely significant now. Yeah, you know, if you lived on, it's all relative. Like if your only diet was McDonald's and fries, that's not going to be too good either.

[John Gafford]

No, well, I, you know, I think, well it's, it's. I was telling my wife last night, you know, I spent about a week in South Africa when we did our trip and I think they, they must be somewhat strict about what can go into food and what can't go into food there. Because I felt great the whole time. Like I just felt lighter, I felt good. I always eat fairly well. But I think there's probably some stuff in our food in the United States that it was not in the food there. And it definitely made me feel better. Like I felt, I just felt really

[Harry Massey]

safe in the food in the States, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. And they don't have it in Europe. I don't know about Africa, but they don't have it in Europe. Glass effects?

[John Gafford]

No, I'm assuming it was somewhat, I'm assuming it was somewhat better as we went along. So the wearable, is that available now? Like, is that something you can get now?

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, trying to think. I think there's about 4,000 turning up next week. But yeah, there's, it depends on the stock level. The, the initial, the initial few thousand disappeared pretty quickly.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, I think people probably just don't have a good idea of how much their mood or state is affecting them at any given moment. It's probably you just don't realize. So was it when you go out in the, like the red zone where you shouldn't be to start beeping and letting you know, like, yo, you got, you need to calm down, this is an issue.

[Harry Massey]

It'll tell you basically if you're frustrated, if you're anxious, if you're impatient, you know, but it also, it also tells you the positive sides as well. So yeah, it tells you if you're joyful, happy, etc.

[John Gafford]

Awesome. Well, let me ask you just because you're obviously 360 degrees on this as far as health, I'm gonna ask you because we already. You told me the lip symbol nad was useless. Was useless. Damn you, Gary Breca, tell me that was useless. Which I, I, I thought it might be. Right. I'm not naive, I thought it might be. But I'm going to run through some other stuff that we do and you tell me the value of this.

[Harry Massey]

I've personally never noticed. And if you inject it, you, you, you feel it instantly. All right.

[John Gafford]

Okay. All right. Let's talk about peptides. Are you a peptide guy?

[Harry Massey]

I know a bit about peptides, yep.

[John Gafford]

Okay. All right. All right. Like BP 157 and TB 500 for inflammation.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah. I mean the first one's good for, good for inflammation and injuries etc, but yeah, you sort of want to inject it right, right where the, right where the injury is. Yes, I kind of like it's not as good. Yeah.

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[Harry Massey]

The TB500. Super interesting. I tell you why. So this isn't much of a well known fact I think to the health world. So one of the reasons of when you're basically a kid and you're a teenager, you have a really, really healthy finesse. It's a very, very large finest and that basically ends up producing all the white blood cells and it's basically managing and controlling your immune system. And I think that people don't totally appreciate is your immune system really governs where stem cells will go and basically directs different areas of your body to repair. So if you have a big healthy thymus, your repair system, that is your regeneration system, I. E. Your secret key to living a long, long life is unlocked. And when you get to 50, 60 year old, 56 year olds, unfortunately the finites have shrunk down to 20% and it's basically sort of withered and it isn't. And it isn't that effective. But as you mentioned, TB500. Yeah, TB500 is what is one of those peptides that will help regenerate the thymus function which therefore in turn does, you know, does help reverse biological aging. So yeah, that's a big sort of a big area for us. So I'm just about to set up a clinic. A clinic in, in Park City and we're doing. That's. Well, it's a half. It's. It's a physics first health care. Well, it's basically a physics first longevity center. And we're using a type of, type of stem cells. We're using. Yeah, we're using peptides and then we're using this whole field. Field side or physics first approach as well. But yeah, it's a, it's an interesting area. I'm looking at imprinting peptides which is another, another whole area. But basically, you know, so, so a pet peptide has a particular function but we can tag it to. We can imprint it with extra information so it'll, it'll more specifically target a particular organ. Um, you know, that's. I want to go and do it to myself now.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, well, yeah, so, so, so that's good. At least I got. My peptides are good. Which is, which is good. Yeah, I, I definitely notice a difference when, when I'm on that cycle of those things. I was doing the GK you the copper in a glow stack but, but it was, it hurt my joints. I couldn't do it. I had to get rid of the copper.

[Harry Massey]

I injected that once and I got a terrible headache and another friend did as well. So I just put in the bin.

[John Gafford]

Yeah,

[Harry Massey]

I have used it on my face. I, I just get the powder and I mix it in with a cream and put on my face sometimes.

[John Gafford]

Okay, so. So you can do topical with. I never thought to do topical with that. Okay.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, yeah, pretty well on the cream. Yeah.

[John Gafford]

Okay. Next thing, grounding. Sleeping with a grounding mat on your bed.

[Harry Massey]

You know, I used to, I didn't notice enough. But in theory, in theory I totally agree with It. I just personally haven't noticed. And, and if, well, if I compare it. So, yes, you know, you're. Well, obviously you're, you're basically ground. Grounding the electrons in your body. But for example, like, if you go and swim in a pool, or even better, if you go and swim in the ocean, like, that's the, that's the best, best, best grounding and you really, really do reset. Yeah, theoretically, I totally agree and I'm not gonna say theoretically. I, I just. I, I bought one. I've had it on my bed for months. I, I didn't notice and I don't know why I didn't notice.

[John Gafford]

But yeah, I think this is one of the things that my, My wife was trying to get us to live forever. So this is a lot of her EMF mats sitting on an EMF mat. We have a giant one.

[Harry Massey]

Like, like a PEMF one.

[John Gafford]

Yeah. I'm sorry. Pmf. Yes. Yeah. Pmf, Matt.

[Harry Massey]

Yes. Yes. They're all good, too. They're all good. So that. How would I describe that? You know, I don't know that you want to do. I don't know that you want to do every. Everything all, all the time because then, then your body might get, might get used to it. But yeah, I think using it three times a week would be good.

[John Gafford]

Okay. Red light therapy panels. And yes, we have all of this stuff.

[Harry Massey]

It depends on the intensity of, you know, of the bulb. So, you know, you mentioned earlier light beds. So some of our technology is in, is in some, is in some light beds and there's. God, like the. Lee. I'm not going to mention names, but like some of the leading light bed companies out there, they don't. There basically isn't enough power output. And for example, if you go out in the sun, say you go outside in the summer, you're in Vegas, it's really hot.

[John Gafford]

Yeah.

[Harry Massey]

That sunlight, if you were sunbathing, I think that's a. I think it's 40 or 50 times more red light light. You know, every spectrum than, than you would ever get in. You know, all the top red light panels and beds.

[John Gafford]

Okay.

[Harry Massey]

And any.

[John Gafford]

Anyway, so maybe on the red light panel. The red light panels and baby,

[Harry Massey]

I don't know what brand you've got. I definitely don't want to compare brands on a podcast, but just all I, all I would say is just. You just want to make sure the output is strong. Is strong because otherwise it's not doing too.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, it was, it was pricey. It's a. It's a pretty big apparatus. It was. It was

[Harry Massey]

all right. But yeah, in short, you know what? One of the reasons, from a physics point of view, one of the reasons it works is because it builds up what's called structured water inside you, but near infrared and near. In near infrared builds, it basically builds up H3O2, which is structured water. And when light hits that, it'll actually spin off electrons. And electrons are basically where you get energy. I'm gonna sneeze.

[John Gafford]

Yeah. Real life here on the podcast. Okay. We got dogs barking. I'm sneezing, you're sneezing. It's fine. Everybody's doing it. All right.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah.

[John Gafford]

Next. Next one. Ewat training with oxygen. It's like I have a giant bag. What's that?

[Harry Massey]

You know? Yeah, I've. I've got one of those. I need to re rig it after I had it in an old house of mine. Very stimulatory, but it's good. Yes. What, do you want me to describe it?

[John Gafford]

No, no, I just say, good, good. I'm just. I. Look, we're throwing everything at the kitchen sink at this trying to stay alive thing. And some of it, I just want to make sure that what. What we're doing. Anytime I have a subject matter expert on, I'm like, is, is this, you know, voodoo, or is this really good for us?

[Harry Massey]

Okay, let's roll back to basics. Okay. Maybe ask me how to stay alive. That.

[John Gafford]

Yeah.

[Harry Massey]

So the three main organs you want to look after are the brain and your. Your heart and your. And your muscles. So if we. So that I'm going to combine the heart and the brain together, because the best, best, best thing you can do for both of those is low, low impact card Lavasca. So what I do, I have one of those AMT machines at home, and every morning I just get up and I do. You know, I just do the 40 minutes at. You know, for me, I'm doing 128 beats per minute. But don't copy my beats per minute. You need to be in your own level. Level two. But that is the best. That is the best fuel brain and your heart. And in the end, you know, only two things happen. You know, when you're getting really, really old, you go completely stupid, and then what you actually die of is your heart stops beating. So, you know, looking at. And the reason Karla Vasquez is also so good for your brain, I mean, it's. It's literally the top, top, top thing you can do to increase IQ and to, you know, to have a really healthy brain is basically, it's basically Carlo vascular because you're getting ostomy. So you asked about ewat but I think more, you know, more, more basic is just, it's just, you just want, you know, plain old fashioned good, good, good cardiologist. Yeah the muscle stuff, right. You can you know, X times a week like your, two or three times a week. You know, you want to, you want to do some, some good weight weight bearing stuff because a good, good strong muscles have also been highly, highly correlated to living life a long time now after that. So we've got the basics out of the way then. Then that's like well how, how would, how would you actually reverse age? So one for one, you know, we want to get rid of those energy leagues and then we want to increase the amount of energy energy in the body because then we have a nice free flow basically you want free flowing electrons. We're trying to get rid of all the all resistance, inflammation, negative emotions, all that stuff that just gets, gets in the way and ages you. So that's, that's that next bit after that then you get into these regenerative things. You've got stem, you've got stem cells, peptides and like the light bed that I haven't yet released basically with this light that we're doing, we're basically going to imprint information in on all the light waves that will help to basically help to regenerate different organs. I probably shouldn't be talking about but never mind, I am. And then, and then there's a, with in the stem cell stuff this is very interesting. There's a lot of different types of stem cells and you know, most of it is just to do with signaling. Like most stem cells you get from placentas, etc. Yeah, the stem cells, they're not really growing like, they're not really growing in you or anything but they, but they do, but they do send out, send out paracrine signaling to help, you know, to help signal. But they're not always that specific. Like if you just have them in an iv, lots of them will get wasted in the lungs and excreted etc. So what I've been looking at and you know I'm doing a study at UCSD at the moment where we can basically see we're basically imprinted imprint a stem cell. One to make it more potent and when I say imprint, we're imprinting with field information and then two for the targeting. So it's more, it's more likely to Go to a particular organ. I can't claim that yet because the study is not completed or finished. But anyway that's a whole thing. But yeah, if, and then I think the fourth thing or fifth thing I would say would be to regenerate the immune system because the, the immune system does actually govern repair in the body. Like it, you know when an area gets injured and inflamed like it's, it's the immune system that basically says well go and repair that part. So you want a healthy, healthy immune system. That's why you're like your, your TB 500 and there's, which is the other one? There's alpha. Alpha. Is it Alpha 1 or Alpha 2? Anyway, there's a, there's a couple of peptides that will help, you know, help regenerate the finest.

[John Gafford]

To boost that up.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, yeah. I call it decode, recode, restore. But basically you want to decode the body to know exactly what's going on in the body. And you know we have like an AI analysis system that will work all that out then. But we also then want to just remove all as much inflammation and as noise or what I'm calling resistance as we can. So like I like doing things like evoo, which is basically ozonating, takes your blood out one arm, ozonates it, puts it back in, puts it back in the other arm and then it basically does all of, all of your blood. So you get super, super clean blood and then recode. But basically we want to recode the body with the optimal blueprint of how it should be working optimally. And that's the whole argument we were saying earlier about making the body more efficient. And, and then we want to restore tissues which is basically, you know, using stem cells, using peptides, etc be sort of like unless you've cleared out the body and recoded it. Like putting stem cells is probably waste. You know, stem cells are great but if you, if you haven't got a clean body and terrain, you sort of wait. You know, you're not doing aerobic exercise and all the basics. You're sort of wasting your money.

[John Gafford]

Well, it's a, it's a shotgun, not. It's a shotgun, not a scalpel. You're just shooting them at you everywhere and hoping, hoping you get where you need to be. Let me ask you, let me ask you this because you know, Alzheimer's and brain health has become such an epidemic, especially in this country. You know, why do you think that is? And is there stuff that you can do to Protect yourself from that stuff.

[Harry Massey]

I mean, Alzheimer's, the dementia, the. The biggest thing is just high, high blood sugar over time. And it is mostly lifestyle. Mostly lifestyle, bad diet and. Yeah, just having too much sugar over, you know, a whole 50, 60, 70 years of doing that. That's. That's the main thing. Goodness, what can you do? Well, I say diet. Diet and lifestyle is the top thing I say for Alzheimer's and the whole aerobic exercise. You can start using glp. Ones and twos and threes and all of that too. But I would just say just be careful with those.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, let's talk about that. Because that's. That GLP1s are so in vogue. Everybody's. Everybody's on. The

[Harry Massey]

thing is, it's like everything. If you think something is a magic bullet and, oh, I can just go about my, you know, normal life and eat the normal stuff and not exercise and I'll just take this, I'll just take this glp. That's just not the right way to look at it. Now. I think to use it to help you, to help you make the change into a. Into a more healthy lifestyle like that, that's a, That's a good use of it because it will help low your blood sugars. You're not, you're not. Know you're not as hungry, but yeah, you know, it come. It comes with the change of habits. I think that's the way to use it. But yeah, I'm a bit reticent of like, just total, like just do this. Just do this.

[John Gafford]

Yeah, just do the one thing and that's all you got to do. That's it.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah, every.

[John Gafford]

Everybody wants the magic pill.

[Harry Massey]

Health is not like that, unfortunately. You've got to sort of. Well, yeah, you want to tack. You want to tackle the big, the big areas first and then, you know, then it gets. Yeah, then it gets weight more and more nuanced over time.

[John Gafford]

So I'm curious about your. I'm curious about yourself. I'm curious about your supplement game. So, like, how often do you get your blood checked? How often do you adjust your supplements? How many supplements do you take a day? I'm curious.

[Harry Massey]

You know, I just, I just did this new epigenetic test that replaces going and getting all these different blood. Blood labs. I just got the results back this morning, so that had like 30 different things on it, I would say. I think I'm getting my blood done about every three months, which I think, I mean, if you're really serious about reversing age, I'D say you probably want to be doing that. I guess if you're just wanting good health, maybe every six months is fine. Supplements. Oh my goodness. I used to track, I'm not doing it right now, but I, I did, I did have a big, big spreadsheet, you know, and I'd have every single reason why I'm taking every single thing. And then my assistant would, you know that I would have my morning, lunch, afternoon, like all bagged up and it was all like hyper organized.

[John Gafford]

Yeah. Like this, like that, like that, like this, like this big list that I have stuff on it.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah.

[John Gafford]

How many, how many, how many different supplements do you think you're taking?

[Harry Massey]

It's, it's such a, it's such a hard one. So a lot of supplements are a bit useless. Honestly. I, I'm, I'm much more of a fan of, I'm much more of a fan of, you know, like getting, getting it all from superfoods, whole foods, juice, juices, etc. Like it, it's because like the whole, the whole plant really does have everything in all the right ratios. I'll give you an example. Like there's so many third order effects that you just don't realize with supplements. So take, if you take turmeric, for example, if you're a woman, fine. Everyone thinks let's take turmeric, it's anti inflammatory. Now if you're a male and you took turmeric for four or five days in a row, it drops your testosterone by 30%. You don't want that as a male. Now if you, you know, if you knocked your elbow and got, got a bruise and yeah, and you don't want to take paracetamol and you want to take turmeric for a few days to calm it down, like that's a great use for it, but you don't want to be on it for life. So that's, that's, that's, that's the problem with supplement.

[John Gafford]

And you know, and you know what,

[Harry Massey]

and nobody really knows all the knock on effects because you know, no, there's no studies on it on, on it, on any of it. Like you, well there's, you get a study for a particular supplement or an ingredient that wants to look at particular effect that we're, we're buying the benefit for. But you, you don't know, you don't know how that affects the body. In other words, and I would say this, it's similar about peptides that, and that's why I said with glp, Two or you know, glp. Agnes, use it, use it on the way, you know, use it on the way in to change, to change your habits to, you know, to get you on track or. Sure. You know, if you injure yourself and it really hurts, then use PPC157 for a few weeks. But if you do something all the time, you're basically saying to the body, oh, I don't have to make that any anymore. Yeah, it just creates a new baseline. So I'm, you know, I'm, I'm a fan of it. Interventions for particular reasons in particular periods, but not like you don't want to do everything all the, all the time.

[John Gafford]

Oh, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Well, there's one other interesting part about your bio we haven't talked about at all, that you're also a filmmaker. I want to talk about that a little bit.

[Harry Massey]

Oh yeah, that's fun. I'm just completing another one too.

[John Gafford]

So tell me about that.

[Harry Massey]

Well, way back, I guess maybe 16 years ago, when setting up our first iteration of the company, nobody really out in society knew what we were talking about, of what this whole field of bioenergetics is and why know why physics governs, you know, governs biology basically. And you know, you can write books and we wrote a book and that goes so far. But I basically thought, well, the best way of getting information out is to, is to do a film. But I'd never made a film before. So I basically hooked up with a. Well, he had it. He had a video production company. He hadn't actually made a whole feature film before, but any. And his name was Greg Becker. Anyway, we ended up teaming up and made, made the film called the Living Matrix and that, that was, that ended up the best selling health documentary for about. It's about four years in a row, like around. I think it was around 2008, period. Yeah, it was like 2006, 2010 or something like that. And yeah, that's what got us started.

[John Gafford]

So what's the film you're making now? You're finishing up. Can we talk about it or.

[Harry Massey]

No, you know, no, I can. It's. It's called Master your energy and actually I'm not making it per se. So a foundation found our work and basically offered to put up the money to make a film on our innovation and research. So I'm in the film, but I'm not technically, I'm not tech. I'm not technically making it because I'm the person in it. Anyway, which is an odd one because I've made films about all these other people. But anyway, no one's being made about me, so it's interesting.

[John Gafford]

All right, last question. If you had one thing you could tell people to do for their health, what would it be?

[Harry Massey]

One.

[John Gafford]

One. You get one.

[Harry Massey]

Okay, well, I'm gonna say two. So one is so naughty.

[John Gafford]

I'll give you two.

[Harry Massey]

Give me two. Okay, so my ethical answer. Well, they're both ethical answers, but my. If you don't have any, you know, if you don't have mean means or means and, you know, ability to do things, I would just say, like aerobic exercise is. This is probably the same. It's probably the simplest and you'll get the most benefits. And then.

[John Gafford]

What's the. What's the minimum heart rate for that? What's the minimum heart rate?

[Harry Massey]

Well, it's a. It's a formula. So, you know, you take your. You take your age. I can't remember the number. You just do it in chat. Chat, gbt. You plug in your age and it'll tell you the number because it's different for everyone's ages. Like, the older you get, you have to do it slower, basically. Yes. Max heart. No, it's max heart rate minus your age. I think that's the formula.

[John Gafford]

Okay.

[Harry Massey]

Yeah. The second I say the second one. You know what got me from being bedridden to building a company is meeting the scientist, Peter Fraser. And, yeah, I. I would say just look like. Look into Biogetics, which is based. Which is basically using fields to improve. Improve your health. And so because it's free, it's basically free of all the site. It's free of all side effects, any toxicity. You're not filling your body with chemicals. So I would just say look into that. I'm pretty sure there'll be a free book on our site, but I can't remember what's on our site. But it's e4l.com. You can look into that world on that site. That's why. That's why I was delivering. I was like, well, what do I say?

[John Gafford]

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look, we want to help them as much as we can. We want to help as much as we can. All right? If they want to find you, learn more about you, how do they find you?

[Harry Massey]

So I've got a website which is massey.com and I've got an Instagram account. That's. What is that? Is Harry Massie official? That's it.

[John Gafford]

Yep, got it. All right. Well, Harry, dude, thank you so much for joining us, man. It was super interesting. I love talking about this stuff. It's so interesting to me. And, and listen, if you're listening to this today, if you're somebody that's not feeling the best, not, not, not, not feeling like you want to do what you want to do to take over the world, just, you know, man, do some research, find some stuff. Find stuff like this. Take the plunge, man. Just find something that makes you feel better. Because when you feel better, everything in life gets a little bit easier. We'll see you next week. What's up, everybody? Thanks for joining us for another, another episode of Escaping the Drift. Hope you got a bunch out of it or at least as much as I did out of it. Anyway, if you want to learn more about the show, you can always go over to escaping the drift.com you can join our mailing list. But do me a favor, if you wouldn't mind, throw up that five star review. Give us a share. Do something, man. We're here for you. Hopefully you'll be here for us. But anyway, in the meantime, we will see you at the next episode.