
The crisis in the Spanish territory is adding fuel to Europe’s bitter debate over migration.
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of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan. Required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy. See terms. Good morning. It's Monday, August 3rd, and this is the Brussels Playbook podcast. The vibe in Brussels today is agitated as the crisis in Ceuta fuels outrage across the block, predominantly aimed at Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez. Now, the EU is to hold an emergency meeting of interior ministers tomorrow to figure out the next steps. Also on the pod, Europe's watchdog warns that growing global crises can't become an excuse for secrecy in the EU institutions. And French President Emmanuel Macron's team is looking for Saudi funding for a manga theme park near Paris. I'm Zoya Shitalovich and with me today is senior EU Politics editor Ian Wishart. Hey, Ian.
Zoya Shitalovich
Good morning, Zoya. Another week of quiet Brussels, is it, Ian?
Ian Wishart
Because instead of quiet Brussels, what we're getting is emergency crisis Brussels, quiet out
Zoya Shitalovich
on the streets, busy behind the scenes in the political corridors. I think.
Ian Wishart
Absolutely. Let's talk about it, Ian, because So today the EU's 27ambassadors are going to be called in for an urgent video conference meeting and they're going to be discussing this Ceuta migrant crisis. This is the thing that happened last week where between Thursday and Friday, something like 50,000 migrants managed to make it from Morocco into this exclave, Spanish exclave, called Ceuta.
Zoya Shitalovich
I think as much as anything before we go on, the main thing to remember is whatever the political backlash here, the thing to remember is that, you know, by last count, 72 people lost their lives trying to storm this border. And that's something we should, we should remember whatever lay behind the reasons for it. And people have different views on it. I think it's worth remembering that so many people got killed.
Ian Wishart
Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's, I mean, I think people by now are pretty familiar with what happened. So there was this big rush of migrants who were trying to cross the border. No one really, really knows even now what caused it, why there was such an immediate influx. It's very hard to figure out the causes. The EU is trying. There is an investigation in play.
Zoya Shitalovich
You rang around a lot of diplomats on Friday and over the weekend. What sense did you get of what they. Of sort of the mood about this?
Ian Wishart
So I was speaking with loads of people from different countries and it was really interesting. So when I was speaking with the Spanish Interior Ministry sources that I've got, they were saying, look, we think that this might have happened because there was this ruling that came through from the Spanish Supreme Court, basically confirming an earlier ruling that said that if you are a migrant and you come into Ceuta and you don't cross a physical boundary, then you can't be deported using the same express mechanism that if, say, you stormed the fence, you would be deported using an express mechanism. So there is this theory in Madrid at the moment that migrant smugglers, people smugglers, kind of hooked into this ruling and used it to spread the word that it was going to be easier to get to Spain if you went through the sea or did the last little stretch through the sea, it spread like wildfire through WhatsApp groups and Facebook and so forth. And that's why. But when you talk to other people, particularly people who have a harder line on migration in Europe, so people like the Danes and. And people. Exactly, yeah. When you talk with those people, they say, look, we think that the problem is that Pedro San Sanchez this year announced this amnesty where he was going to be regularizing a certain number of migrants. It ended up being over a million who ended up applying for this system. And basically it meant that people who were previously undocumented were given documents and allowed to kind of stay officially in Spain. The Spanish say, that's absolutely not what happened. Because they say, look, firstly, you had to apply for this thing in April, so we're well beyond that period now. And secondly, it was specifically for people who were already there, so it's not like you could just come and claim it. So they're saying, no, no, it wasn't that. It was something else. I think where we've got to right now, and I've been speaking with people right up until this moment, I'm exchanging text messages with diplomats from all sorts of places. There have been meetings over the weekend of the icpr, which is this emergency response mechanism, and no one really knows what happened.
Zoya Shitalovich
There was a very strongly worded letter that came from 22 leaders over the weekend, and it was sort of on the back of that, that the meeting tomorrow is happening. The online meeting of the Interior Minister.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. So this is the thing. So today this is. The ambassadors are all meeting on VTC over video. Tomorrow it's going to be interior ministers. This is called the justice and Home Affairs Council. Is that grouping of ministers. Yeah.
Zoya Shitalovich
And Sanchez was quite strong in what he said back as well. And he's talking about fake news. There's obviously something bigger going on here at how a lot of the rest of the EU sees the Spanish government and sees Sanchez. And it's almost like it's been waiting to. Something has been waiting to happen for them to fall out with Sanchez.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. And I think there's been a pattern of behavior where Sanchez has been the odd man out on a few different policies. So he's seen as being much softer when it comes to defense and security. Spain is one of the laggards of NATO when it comes to.
Zoya Shitalovich
And his stance on Gaza as well has been diametrically opposed to a lot of the other leaders.
Ian Wishart
Indeed, indeed.
Zoya Shitalovich
So I think I would say the, the anger with Spain is within the EU right now is palpable. It's not just because of this, but this is perhaps the thing that's sort of broken the camel's back.
Ian Wishart
And they were furious when this regularization of migrants happened. You know, the EU's consensus on migration has been shifting much, much to the right of where it was before.
Zoya Shitalovich
Well, when you see these pictures, pictures on the news, pictures on social media, going around the world, it also offers right wing governments an excuse actually to say, look at what could happen if we have lax border laws. And it's not a surprise that some of the first people to criticize Spain for this was the Italian Prime Minister, was Marine Le Pen. The.
Ian Wishart
And this is the thing. Yeah, it really adds credence to this kind of far right wave that we're seeing. But in any case, what I think is striking is. So you mentioned this letter sent by 22 EU leaders basically criticizing Pedro Sanchez and essentially saying, look, this is your fault because you've been so soft on migration. The only people who didn't sign up to that letter were France, Ireland, Luxembourg and Portugal. That's it. So Sanchez is really isolated in the EU now.
Zoya Shitalovich
And this even with the fact that nearly everybody who stormed the border have now returned to Morocco.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. And the other thing that's worth mentioning is the fact that the migrants had nowhere to go from. So cha. So there is no way for them to end up in mainland Europe because this is an exclave. It's not connected to the European continent. And even though Spain is Obviously part of the Schengen Zone, Ceuta, and also Malia, which is the other kind of exclave that's similar in its status. People who arrive there do get checked if they want to cross into the EU proper, onto the mainland European continent. So this was kind of a big fuss that was made out of something that is unlikely to have affected mainland Europe. Right. Well, in the second story we've got today, it comes from our colleague Seb Starchevich, who is one of our last people standing in the Brussels team. He and I are basically the only two still still working away beaver and away. And he's writing the Brussels playbook this week. And he has interviewed, very interestingly, the European Ombudsman, Teresa Angio.
Zoya Shitalovich
She's criticized the European Commission to some extent, saying that even though it's clearly dealing with a lot of huge crises around the world, that shouldn't be an excuse for not being transparent and not being open in their communications and their transactions.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. And the thing that she's really honed in on is this access to documents situation that's happening at the moment. So under EU law, if you're an average citizen or a journalist, you can request access to EU documents and you, as long as those documents aren't like, you know, top secret or whatever, you should be able to get them. But the EU has been knocking back. So the European Commission and other institutions have been knocking back these requests quite frequently. And so the ombuds woman, she said, well, it's too frequently happening that people are being knocked back. And then over 30% of complaints that she said she receives are about transparency when it comes to access to documents and people getting knocked back when they want to get something.
Zoya Shitalovich
We cannot allow to have accountability. Free zone, she said.
Ian Wishart
Indeed she did.
Zoya Shitalovich
You've come across this because you've tried to get access to documents, haven't you? And it's not. Not been as straightforward as perhaps transparency campaign, I think it should be.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. Like, in theory, you're supposed to be able to get them within 15 days. They're meant to sort of give you everything. And as long as it's not, you know, something that's very top secret or affects individual people. I have found that when you put in an access to document request, you frequently they delay, they delay, they delay. They sort of start and stop the clock all the time. And in the end you might get something, but then it's either redacted to the bejesus and so you can barely make sense of it. The what to the Bejesus, right? Yeah. Or even worse than that, you basically get told, oh, no, sorry, you can't have it. Even though you've just spent, you know, three months waiting for this thing and going back and forth with questions and answers.
Zoya Shitalovich
She actually says the. The rules for access to documents in the EU are a sign of structural dysfunction and unfit for the 21st century. So that's quite strong, what she's saying.
Ian Wishart
It is. And so people might remember Emily O'Reilly was the predecessor and she was really kind of harsh and strong on the Ursula von der Leyen Commission, so particularly when it comes to the FISA Gate saga. If you recall, this was this exchange of text messages at the height of the COVID crisis between Ursula von der Leyen and the boss of Pfizer over a vaccine contract. And the New York Times wanted to get access to those text messages, and the commission said, look, they're ephemeral. We don't have them, they don't exist. It's gone well.
Zoya Shitalovich
In the interview with Seb, Angino said she. She didn't use Ursula von der Leyen's name, but she did say that the European Commission' pasity was a threat to the EU itself. She said, we need to be faithful to the treaties, abide by the principles and values. It will guarantees the survival of the project and the survival in the institution. So you can see why she thinks that transparency is such an important thing when you've got this hulking bureaucracy doing so many things every day. And the need to keep the public informed about what it's doing is at the heart of that. And that's good for journalists as well, isn't it?
Ian Wishart
Yeah, it absolutely is. Actually, if folks out there in the world want to write in, if you could get an access to documents requested, would you like.
Zoya Shitalovich
What would you really like to know?
Ian Wishart
Yes, what would you like to know? This is a fun one because I might get some ideas in. I might send some in. So if you've got a good one,
Zoya Shitalovich
what would you really like to know?
Ian Wishart
I'd like to know what everyone is paid. Yeah, I just want to know how much we pay literally every single bureaucrat. So that's my one. What's yours?
Zoya Shitalovich
I'd like to see the notes that spokespeople and press officers say to each other when they get a request from a journalist.
Ian Wishart
That pesky Zoya again. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Ian, do you like manga or anime?
Zoya Shitalovich
What? What?
Ian Wishart
Are you telling me you've never watched an anime series?
Zoya Shitalovich
The cartoons are for children. I Think.
Ian Wishart
Oh, my God. Listeners out there, please ignore Ian's ignorant take. Well, I am a big fan. It will surprise no one. You know what? I think you should go out there and watch Tom and Jerry. No. Cowboy Bebop. Start with Cowboy Bebop and work your way up.
Zoya Shitalovich
What's that then?
Ian Wishart
It's an excellent anime, I think. It's on Netflix and it's really, really good. It's like cowboy noir.
Zoya Shitalovich
I haven't got Netflix.
Ian Wishart
Oh, my God, Ian.
Zoya Shitalovich
Anyway, why are we talking about this?
Ian Wishart
Because did you know that in France there might be a brand new theme park that's themed around Dragon Ball? Dragon Ball being it is a manga series. It's phenomenal. It's one of probably the top manga series. It's spawned all sorts of other manga. Have you not heard of Dragon Ball Z?
Zoya Shitalovich
No.
Ian Wishart
Oh my God.
Zoya Shitalovich
A manga has got nothing to do with Maga.
Ian Wishart
Oh, my sweet baby Jesus. So a manga is the, like really cool Japanese cartoons that people flick through and read and stuff, and anime, other animated shows or movies of, you know, kind of Japanese characters and so forth.
Zoya Shitalovich
And there's going to be a theme park in France.
Ian Wishart
There's going to be a theme park in France, potentially. So our colleague Paul de Valencon has got his hands on some super interesting, top secret information, basically showing that the French are trying to get Saudi investors to essentially fund this manga theme park. Manga's really popular in France, so they
Zoya Shitalovich
think that's going to get in the punters.
Ian Wishart
Yeah, exactly. And basically what they want to do is there's this defunct theme park that's been closed for decades.
Zoya Shitalovich
Mirapolis.
Ian Wishart
Mirapolis, exactly.
Zoya Shitalovich
Near Paris.
Ian Wishart
Yeah. And it's been sitting empty, absolutely gathering dust this whole time. And basically when, when did it open?
Zoya Shitalovich
1991.
Ian Wishart
Yeah, it was only open for a few years. A lot of money went into it, but then it closed because basically Euro Disney opened and people were just like not interested in this Mirapolis thing. So they want to reopen it and they want it to be Dragon Ball themed, because that is probably the most popular manga or one of the most popular manga and anime sort of franchises there is.
Zoya Shitalovich
People are going to worry about Saudi money pouring into Europe though, aren't they? This is, this is the political aspect of this, what deals are being done between, you know, which governments around Europe and the Middle East.
Ian Wishart
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, Manuel Macron, the French president, he has notoriously rekindled the relationship with Mohammed bin Salman, this is the Saudi crown prince, and has been courting investment from the Saudis. This investment, we've learned, comes from the Qdiyeh Investment Company, which is kind of at the center of these negotiations. And the parties who paused spoke with, said the deal could exceed a billion euro.
Zoya Shitalovich
Well then, let's see if this comes to fruition. But I won't be going.
Ian Wishart
I probably would if I'm being honest. Folks, we spoke about birds versus famous people on the EU's bank notes the other day. And Mark from Francis Point, I believe
Zoya Shitalovich
I missed that one.
Ian Wishart
Mark from France wants to know why no one is talking about the fact that the birds are clearly a way to shoehorn the ugly EU institution buildings to the other side of the notes. Nobody really wants those ugly buildings, right? He says, I want the buildings. I like them.
Zoya Shitalovich
Well, the buildings don't offend anyone. So birds might.
Ian Wishart
We also last week spoke about bacteria in chickens that's causing diarrhea. There's another one you missed and we've got one listener who's written in with a personal experience.
Zoya Shitalovich
Please know.
Ian Wishart
So this person says, I went on a trip to Romania in March and came back with a bad case of dysentery. Dysentery caused by Campylobacter.
Zoya Shitalovich
What's that?
Ian Wishart
It's the bacteria on chicken that causes dysentery, apparently. I thought that was a 16th century disease. And so does this listener, but apparently not. Well, suffice to say that this poor listener who's suffering from 16th century diseases, felt quite seen in our episode. Well, that's about it from us today, Ian.
Zoya Shitalovich
We'll be back tomorrow though, won't we?
Ian Wishart
We absolutely will be. Folks, don't forget to rate us, review us, share us with your friends. This is a good time. You've probably got nothing going on in your life. May as well listen to the back catalogue of our greatest hits. Learn about diarrhea causing bacteria and Ian's absolute ignorance about popular culture.
Episode: Ceuta triggers two days of EU emergency talks
Host: Zoya Sheftalovich
Guest: Ian Wishart, Senior EU Politics Editor
This episode centers on the escalating crisis in Ceuta, where a sudden influx of migrants prompted the EU to schedule emergency talks. The hosts examine the reasons behind the crisis, differing views within the EU, and political implications for Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez. Additional segments cover EU transparency concerns spotlighted by the European Ombudsman and an unexpected French proposal for a manga-themed amusement park with potential Saudi investment. The tone remains conversational and incisive, peppered with sharp observations and light-hearted banter.
Timestamps: 00:21 – 06:56
Mass Border Crossing:
“By last count, 72 people lost their lives trying to storm this border, and that’s something we should remember whatever lay behind the reasons for it.” — Zoya Sheftalovich [01:52]
Causes: Multiple Theories
“There is this theory in Madrid that migrant smugglers hooked into this ruling and used it to spread the word that it was going to be easier to get to Spain... it spread like wildfire through WhatsApp groups and Facebook…” — Ian Wishart [02:42]
EU and Institutional Reaction
Internal EU tensions:
“There’s been a pattern of behavior where Sanchez has been the odd man out on a few different policies.” — Ian Wishart [05:20]
“When you see these pictures… it also offers right-wing governments an excuse actually to say, ‘look at what could happen if we have lax border laws.’” — Zoya Sheftalovich [06:01]
Limits of the Crisis: Migrants who entered Ceuta have largely been returned to Morocco; Ceuta is geographically isolated from mainland Europe, undermining claims of a new open corridor into the EU.
Timestamps: 06:56 – 10:55
European Ombudsman Interview
“She’s criticized the European Commission to some extent, saying that even though it’s clearly dealing with a lot of huge crises around the world, that shouldn’t be an excuse for not being transparent.” — Zoya Sheftalovich [07:55]
Problems with Access to Documents
“You frequently... they delay, they delay, they delay. They sort of start and stop the clock all the time... it’s either redacted to the bejesus... or even worse, you basically get told, oh, no, sorry, you can’t have it.” — Ian Wishart [09:05]
Structural Critique
Transparency as Survival
Timestamps: 11:29 – 14:27
The Plan:
“There’s going to be a theme park in France, potentially... the French are trying to get Saudi investors to essentially fund this manga theme park.” — Ian Wishart [12:52]
Political Considerations
“People are going to worry about Saudi money pouring into Europe though, aren’t they? This is the political aspect…” — Zoya Sheftalovich [13:49]
Macron’s Role
“Macron... has notoriously rekindled the relationship with Mohammed bin Salman... this investment, we’ve learned, comes from the Qdiyeh Investment Company...” — Ian Wishart [13:59]
Hosts’ Banter:
Timestamps: 14:27 – End
On Ceuta’s Significance:
“The anger with Spain within the EU right now is palpable… this is perhaps the thing that’s sort of broken the camel’s back.”
— Zoya Sheftalovich [05:39]
On Document Transparency:
“We cannot allow to have accountability-free zone, she said.”
— Zoya Sheftalovich, quoting the Ombudsman [08:52]
Transparency Frustrations:
“I have found that when you put in an access to document request… you frequently, they delay, they delay, they delay... it’s either redacted to the bejesus or… you basically get told, oh, no, sorry, you can’t have it.”
— Ian Wishart [09:05]
On Theme Park Investments:
“People are going to worry about Saudi money pouring into Europe though, aren’t they? This is the political aspect…”
— Zoya Sheftalovich [13:49]
| Time | Segment Highlights | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 00:21 | Opening — Ceuta crisis overview | | 01:52 | Human cost of the border crossing | | 02:34 | Possible triggers: Court ruling, amnesty, speculation | | 04:36 | EU leaders’ letter & diplomatic isolation of Spain | | 06:01 | Right-wing European reaction | | 06:56 | Only four states opt out of criticizing Spain | | 07:55 | Ombudsman’s rebuke on EU secrecy | | 09:05 | Realities of document access in EU institutions | | 11:29 | Manga/anime theme park in France, Saudi investment | | 13:49 | Geopolitical questions about Saudi funding | | 14:27 | Listener feedback, lighter close |
The episode transitions fluidly between serious policy discussion and cultural observation, maintaining the hallmark POLITICO Playbook blend of rigorous reporting and relatable conversation. The hosts offer insider perspectives, demystify bureaucratic processes, and pepper the coverage with humor and audience engagement.
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