213: On Celebrity Side Hustles, Gwyneth Paltrow, Adolescence

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast Episode 213 Summary

Title: On Celebrity Side Hustles, Gwyneth Paltrow, Adolescence
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garrone
Release Date: March 21, 2025

In Episode 213 of the Every Outfit podcast, hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garrone delve deep into the multifaceted world of celebrity side hustles, dissect the latest developments in high fashion, and share personal updates about their lives. This episode offers a blend of sharp commentary, insightful analysis, and engaging banter, providing listeners with a comprehensive look at the intersections of fame, business, and culture.

1. Personal Updates and Maternity Announcement

The episode kicks off with Chelsea and Lauren sharing personal updates, notably discussing their recent maternity photo shoot. Lauren humorously navigates the complexities of potential baby names, reflecting on their origins and personal preferences.

Lauren Garrone [02:10]: "I don't know if you noticed in the comments, but there were a lot of Sex and the City references. People were asking if we were going to name the baby Shayla."

Chelsea adds her perspective on the name preferences, emphasizing inclusivity and distancing from names that don’t resonate with her.

Chelsea Fairless [02:25]: "No one of any gender should be named Shayla. Apologies to anyone named Shayla that is listening. I'm sorry."

This segment not only personalizes the hosts but also sets the tone for their candid and relatable approach throughout the episode.

2. Celebrity Side Hustles: Successes and Flops

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing celebrity side hustles. Chelsea and Lauren discuss various ventures undertaken by celebrities, evaluating their authenticity, innovation, and success.

Successful Celebrity Ventures

The hosts highlight brands like Fenty Beauty by Rihanna and Rare Beauty by Selena Gomez as exemplary side hustles. These brands are praised for their genuine innovation and filling gaps in the market.

Lauren Garrone [17:26]: "The Row is a brand so deeply influential that Prada is knocking off their handbags. Their taste level is on par with the best European designers."

They acknowledge that successful celebrity businesses often stem from a true passion or a niche that the celebrity can authentically address.

Flawed and Inauthentic Ventures

Conversely, the duo critiques ventures they perceive as vanity projects lacking genuine innovation or passion. Examples include Jessica Simpson’s shoe line and Bella Hadid’s association with Kin Euphorics.

Chelsea Fairless [19:23]: "I don't think Road is super successful because Hailey Bieber is like the most insane creative visionary. There are just really good people working on that brand."

They argue that many celebrity side hustles fail because they are driven by the desire for wealth or clout rather than a commitment to quality or innovative ideas.

3. Fashion Industry News and Analysis

Demna’s Shift from Balenciaga to Gucci

One of the standout discussions centers around Demna Gvasalia’s move from Balenciaga to Gucci. The hosts explore the implications of this transition for both brands and the broader fashion landscape.

Chelsea Fairless [30:58]: "The success for most of these brands, I think rests on the team that is developing the products and doing the marketing."

They debate whether Demna's avant-garde vision will rejuvenate Gucci or clash with its established identity, acknowledging his track record of significantly boosting Balenciaga’s revenue.

Lauren Garrone [33:09]: "I think he's gonna tweak his look a little. Obviously he's not gonna become a completely different designer, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left the sort of black, oversized, industrial, goth streetwear look over at Balenciaga and lean more into the clothes that look like a cartoon of a rich woman."

Donatella Versace’s Role Transition and Prada’s Acquisition

The episode also covers Donatella Versace stepping down as Chief Creative Officer at Versace to become Chief Brand Ambassador, amidst Prada’s acquisition moves.

Lauren Garrone [39:26]: "Donatella Versace was an early champion. She was one of the first, as Hadid puts it, to be like, your athletic volleyball body is the sexiest thing I've ever seen."

The hosts express both excitement and apprehension about the incoming leadership and how it might influence Versace’s legacy and market position.

Jonathan Anderson’s Departure from Loewe

Jonathan Anderson’s exit from Loewe is another focal point, with Chelsea and Lauren speculating about his future endeavors and potential impact on Dior, given the interconnectedness within the LVMH group.

Chelsea Fairless [43:28]: "I know this poor bitch. God. In the least shocking fashion news of the week, Jonathan Anderson is officially out at Loewe."

They discuss the challenges Anderson might face in aligning Dior's heritage with his distinct design philosophy.

4. Vogue Editorials and Gigi Hadid’s Influence

The hosts critique the latest Vogue editorial featuring Gigi Hadid, examining its artistic choices and cultural implications.

Lauren Garrone [47:25]: "Her cashmere brand. We forgot to mention that with celebrity side hustles."

They dissect the portrayal of Gigi in the editorial, addressing issues of body image and authenticity in fashion media.

Chelsea Fairless [52:04]: "You know, volleyball is a very masculine sport. Modeling is a very feminine thing. And that means sometimes we have to give up things that we love to do."

This segment highlights the often complex relationship between athleticism, femininity, and modeling in contemporary fashion narratives.

5. Discussion on the Netflix Series "Adolescence"

Transitioning from fashion, Chelsea and Lauren discuss the Netflix limited series Adolescence, praising its narrative structure and thematic depth.

Lauren Garrone [53:20]: "It's an incredibly well-done series. Nor do I particularly think that the sun that I will have will fall into the manosphere."

They commend the series for its unrelenting single-take filming style and its exploration of youth violence and societal influences without providing overt explanations for its characters' actions.

6. Listener Feedback and Podcast Operations

Towards the episode's end, the hosts address a listener's feedback regarding inappropriate ads infiltrating their podcast. They transparently discuss their switch to a new ad network and the challenges that come with dynamic ad placements.

Lauren Garrone [62:52]: "We have no control over this. Also, I do go back and listen to our episodes and here in Los Angeles, we were not getting those ads."

They apologize for the inconvenience and reassure listeners of upcoming improvements, including emphasizing their Patreon platform for an ad-free experience.

7. Final Thoughts and Future Plans

Wrapping up the episode, Chelsea and Lauren hint at future content, including a Sex and the City rewatch and deep dives into industry feuds, ensuring listeners remain engaged and anticipating upcoming discussions.

Chelsea Fairless [66:59]: "All right, guys, see you next week. By."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lauren Garrone [17:26]: "The Row is a brand so deeply influential that Prada is knocking off their handbags."

• Chelsea Fairless [19:23]: "I don't think Road is super successful because Hailey Bieber is like the most insane creative visionary."

• Chelsea Fairless [30:58]: "The success for most of these brands, I think rests on the team that is developing the products and doing the marketing."

• Lauren Garrone [33:09]: "He won't become a completely different designer, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left the oversized ... goth streetwear look ... and leans more into clothes that look like a cartoon of a rich woman."

• Chelsea Fairless [43:28]: "Jonathan Anderson is officially out at Loewe."

• Chelsea Fairless [47:25]: "Donatella Versace was an early champion. She was one of the first ... your athletic volleyball body is the sexiest thing I've ever seen."

Conclusion

Episode 213 of Every Outfit offers a rich tapestry of discussions ranging from the authenticity of celebrity ventures to pivotal shifts within the high fashion industry. Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garrone provide listeners with thoughtful critiques, backed by personal anecdotes and industry insights, maintaining their signature blend of wit and sophistication. Whether dissecting the latest Vogue editorial or navigating the complexities of podcast advertising, this episode stands out as a testament to the hosts' deep engagement with the ever-evolving landscape of fashion and culture.

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Seven claims.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

What's happening?

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Lauren Garrone]

What's the matter, Morty? Great gowns. Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Chelsea, how the hell are you? I have not seen you since we last recorded, which is a little unusual.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm fine. I feel like nothing interesting has happened to me, though. I visited my parents. That was nice. Glad I got to spend time with my dad. And I got a cold while I was there. That sucked. And now I'm better. And now I'm back. And life goes on. And so does this podcast, for whatever reason.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, we did stoke the parasocial fires by dropping our joint maternity photo shoot. Or I guess it was my maternity photo shoot. You so gamely participated. And also shout out to Paul, who was okay with the announcement of our child having more to do with us than. Than him. But we did photos with Paul.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Why do I keep saying we? I did photo with Paul. I just want to thank everyone. The response was so phenomenal. And there were so many women that reached out to me to assure me that my life is not over. That in some cases, I might become even more myself. Even more sarcastic. Post child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How lucky for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know if you noticed in the comments, but there were a lot of Sex and the City references. There were people asking if we were going to name the baby Shayla.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No one of any gender should be named Shayla.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is very true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Apologies to anyone named Shayla that is listening. I'm sorry. For me, it has very strong connotations with Charlotte, and, you know, I just don't really fuck with that as a baby name.

[Lauren Garrone]

And for those who are chronically online, that has recently become a TikTok. Sound taken from Tyrese. Oh, my God. My Shayla. But I did notice. I think people were genuinely asking if maybe as a nod to Miranda Hobbs, who's given us so much personally and professionally, if I would name the baby Brady. And this got me thinking that I feel like we should share the fact that my father made a baby boy nameless that he shared with me, that I then promptly shared with you and Tatiana because I love my father dearly. It truly is the thought that counts. But this is a nightmare. Blunt rotation of baby names. Chelsea, if you remember this list, I'm handing it off to you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. We've been making fun of this list for months now.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, you don't have to read all 40 names, but if you just want to, for our listeners, read your favorites.

[Chelsea Fairless]

My favorites. Okay, again, sorry if anyone listening has these very extra Italian boys names, but we are talking about Leonardo Marcellus Mossimo. Imagine having a little boy named Mossimo. Remington Sterling. Like, they all sound like bad cologne names, you know? Thaddeus? Is that how you pronounce that? Yeah, Zachariah. And my personal favorite, Mordecai, which is what we have been calling your unborn child for months now.

[Lauren Garrone]

We have been calling the baby not just Mordecai, but we've shortened it to Morty as a nod to our theme song, the line from First Wives Club. What's the matter, Morty? Can't you buy her a whole dress?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Imagine naming your unborn child after dad. Hedaya's character in the First Wives Club. I think that would be great. Also, he's crazy for putting Hunter on this list because there's only one Hunter that we think about, and he does meth.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say my father probably put it on on the list because of our mutual fondness for Hunter S. Thompson, a man who also probably did meth during his lifetime.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I will say, I think Dario is a great name. It's a nice reference to Dario Argento. Rio is a great nickname. Nothing like a three letter situation. Also, I think Paul would appreciate that as a typographer.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, Rio Glover. That could be a cool name.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm making a case for Dario.

[Lauren Garrone]

You forgot to mention that my father put Lorenzo on the list, which I just like giving my son because he will have his father's last name. It's like the male version of my name. Like I'm still there somehow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's really extra. What else?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I went to the desert this weekend, plus one. Or shall I say a hanger on to My parents who go to the tennis match that's out in Indian Wells, the one where Timmy and Kylie were at the previous weekend.

[Chelsea Fairless]

People are always going to the desert to do the weirdest shit. You know, to me, that's just like a place to lay by the pool and drink cocktails.

[Lauren Garrone]

It is an odd place to have a tennis stadium. Seeing that eight months out of the year it's 110degR.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, when I hear that people are going there for like a conference or a film festival or to play golf, I'm like, what?

[Lauren Garrone]

We actually, we. Again, I was a hanger on. I was generously invited to stay at a house that was in a gated community that was golf based. It was like the PGA gated community.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you were on the Republican side of the tracks.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, we were in a community, Chell, where it wasn't just Ford F150s. There were Ford two 50s, three 50s.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't even know what that means.

[Lauren Garrone]

Trucks where our cars could fit inside the truck beds. They're that big. But really, I come to the desert to do one thing and that is to go to the outlet mall. As I'm heading back to Los Angeles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which also has a sparrow. It has a Sbarro right by the Balenciaga store.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just saw a clip on TikTok. Did I research this to see if it was true? No, but it seems like I missed by a day the skims outlet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, really? There's a skims outlet?

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what they're telling me. And by they, I mean a random person on TikTok that I did not verify if this is true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have you seen the skim store on Sunset, though? I don't think we've talked about this. I just drove by it today.

[Lauren Garrone]

I drove by it today as well. It's funny because you notice that they've covered on the front of the store that it says skims. It's just funny because it's like you don't even need to cover the sign. It's completely beige.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's a bulbous nude building. We know what this store is going to be. But I could not not be more thrilled with the location because I have wanted Sunset Plaza to have a glow up forever. In between the supreme store being down the street and this, it seems like this part of Sunset is really poised for a comeback.

[Lauren Garrone]

I've been saying the same thing, mostly because it's one of the few places in Los Angeles with ample parking. But it does have some of the hooiest Restaurants establishments on that block.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And like, none of the restaurants are that good, but we just go to them anyway.

[Lauren Garrone]

And lastly, if I didn't feel that I was getting old enough as I was on the freeway, you know, they have all the billboards for the various casinos that are in the desert. They're promoting that comedian with all the puppets or like New Kids on the Block or something. Chelsea. This time the billboard was like, All American Rejects and the Ataris.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Whoa.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I was like, oh, no. We are Desert Casino age.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we are Desert Casino age.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, that was my weekend.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that sounds delightful.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm curious, Chelsea. Did you happen to read the Vanity Fair profile with our fave Gwyneth Paltrow?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. You can't not read whatever the latest Gwyneth Paltrow profile is. This one was by Michelle Ruiz. I feel like profiles of GWYDD are like their own cottage industry within the world of New York journalism. There's a good one every single year. And this is the.

[Lauren Garrone]

The timing of this is a little curious because she doesn't have anything to promote. Exactly. It's very clear that she is in pre promotion for the upcoming fall release of the Josh Safdie film Marty supreme, which given the language they're using, they're kind of setting her up to have her own Demi Moore, the Substance Award season run for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And she's also continually promoting goop. I feel like there's always a reason to profile her because of that. But yes, her return to acting, or rather her return to acting in an Oscar film is quite noteworthy.

[Lauren Garrone]

I appreciate you clarifying so that the Marvel obsessed Lukes who listen to this podcast are like, she appeared in seven Marvel films actually the last 12 years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know what this profile also reminded me of? The fact that Country Strong exists. I have not thought about that in years.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, why would you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why would I? But it really took me back to a certain era of Gwyneth that has really been forgotten.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I think what's come out of this profile is a few things, one of which are her comments about intimacy coordinators, which has proven to be, for those chronically online, a very hot button issue. She says when she was shooting Marty supreme, which is the latest Josh Safdie film that also stars Timmy, who. She seems to have a multitude of love scenes with him in this movie. She goes on to say in this article, there's now something called an intimacy coordinator, which I did not know existed. I guess when this intimacy coordinator asked if she was okay with a particular sex move she was like, girl, I'm from the era where you get naked, you get in bed, and the camera's on. And I guess people have taken issue with the fact that later in the article, she discusses how she basically shooed the intimacy coordinator away.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I get it. We need intimacy coordinators to avoid Last Tango in Paris situations. Blue is the warmest color situations. But I also understand how, as an actor, it might be hard to lose yourself in the scene and make it realistic if someone is getting really granular about, like, where someone's hand should be or whatever. I feel like an actor should be able to refuse the intimacy coordinator. But they still have to remain on set and just watch. Like, in case something happens, in case they change their mind and want them. They're there.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. As someone that has used an intimacy coordinator, they really do function no differently than a stunned choreographer. You are correct. It seems that the other reason she's doing this profile is to kind of counter some of the negative press that happened about Goop last fall. Because they let go of some employees.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, they laid off a bunch of people.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was there to say they had significant growth and that 2024 was Goop's best year yet from an overall revenue perspective. And, Chelsea, do you know what was the highest growth vertical for them? What? Our beloved Goop kitchen, which delivered 60% growth year over year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Goop Kitchen needs to be in every city in America. Sometimes I think, like, God, if I did move back to New York, not having Goop Kitchen or Erewhon would actually be really difficult. Sorry to sound like the most annoying LA person on the face of the earth, but I'm sorry. It's true.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was going to clarify. And this is really the thing about Gwyneth Paltrow and all of her endeavors is you want to make fun of it. I'm sure those that don't live in Los Angeles are kind of, you know, making your beds or driving in your cars, making fun of us being like, goop Kitchen is good. It is good. I don't know how to explain.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, you know how you can never just order, like, a piece of salmon and some rice and a little salad. But she's actually, like, given us that, like, a normal meal.

[Lauren Garrone]

The bone broth, not great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, yeah, I don't fuck with that turmeric bone broth. But I think people get annoyed with her when she says things like, I just would not eat M and Ms. In the United States. Like, I'll only eat them in Europe.

[Lauren Garrone]

That might have replaced her previous quote where it was like, I'd rather smoke crack than have cheese out of a can.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also like, fair, I will eat M and Ms. In the United States because I am a garbage person. But she is correct that there are things in those M and Ms. That are illegal in other countries and should very much be illegal here. It's not a bad thing that she's pointing that out.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, there's another narrative of this article which doesn't seem to be getting as much attention, which is the back third of this profile is dancing around if Gwyneth Paltrow fucks with RFK Jr. Or not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, just because they both fuck with raw milk doesn't mean she co signs on everything he's ever said or done.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, she's not going to eat his roadkill bear meat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, her political affiliation is discussed. She has described herself as an independent thinker.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oof.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We know she's a Democrat though. For the most part. She's hosting Pete Buttigieg fundraisers. She's doing all that. But she's friends with Rick Caruso, like many liberal leaning celebrities. Because there is a certain point if you live in Montecito where your social world is just restricted to like who's around and Rick Caruso is there. He's on your same like holiday party Christmas circuit. So because you know him, you're like, sure, I'll endorse him. Surely he's not that bad.

[Lauren Garrone]

And look, you want that good table at the Rosewood Miramar. Yeah. I also think, and this isn't discussed in the profile, but it's definitely something I've observed, a lot of people have observed anecdotally, is there is a wellness to maga pipeline. I'm not saying this is Gwyneth, but it's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

But it's in the solar system and it's very curious.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, and I think that the male biohackers are very. That.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also thought it was kind of shady because in all of this language they're like, she disclose who she voted for in this election? It's like, fuck you. Did you ask?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, see, this is the thing. People want to catch her being a Republican. We've talked about this recently. I think there is a real genuine desire for celebrities to do problematic things just so people online have an excuse to be mad at them and like write nasty tweets and comments about them. I think there would be a collective glee if Gwyneth Paltrow somehow outed herself as a Republican.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sorry, my mind is just flashing to me talking shit about Meghan Markle last week. It's a thin line between having a podcast with cultural commentary and being a shitposter on X. Yeah, but we're criticizing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Meghan Markle because of the quality of the program that she created, not because of her political beliefs.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's the perfect transition. Chelsea, I wanted to discuss with you the concept of celebrities and their side hustles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have a problem with rich people having a side hustle.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, you mean like a podcast or something? No, that's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

As you're doing work. I'm saying if you. If you sold, like, where would my line be for you? Where would I draw the line? Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, if I had a. If I had a. Yeah, you know.

[Lauren Garrone]

So, yes, Amy Poehler has a new podcast called Good Hang with Amy Poehler, which is described as, I guess not a podcast, but a weekly video series that will offer a hilarious mix of comedy, personal stories, and not too serious conversations with guests. Like with las culturistas Tina Fey just dropping just a. A beautiful sound bite about the current state of culture.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's right. We are being inundated with celebrity vanity projects. And for the most part, the brands that these people are starting are not driven by innovative ideas necessarily. It's people that are starting the brands because they want to be wealthier. They want the clout that is associ with having a successful brand. Like the clout that, say, George Clooney has. Or they simply realize, I can make something that is absolute shit and I will never have to work again. Like Jessica Simpson's shoe line.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, that woman's nearly a billionaire designing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The most disgusting footwear we've ever seen. You know, all of which I'm sure is already in a landfill.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, it's interesting because it really is only in the last 15 or 20 years that celebrity side hustles have actually been successful, because I feel like the original celebrity side hustle was being a restaurateur. Think of Planet Hollywood. Think of the Fashion Cafe. I know. I know a place you visited, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A celebrity running a restaurant. What could go wrong?

[Lauren Garrone]

Planet Hollywood at least made a little bit of sense where it's like, it was off of the back of how popular the Hard Rock Cafe was. Is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yes, same with the Fashion Cafe.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right? But at least with celebrities, you're like, okay, it's celebrity memorabilia, and I guess, you know, actors have to eat, but it's a harder idea to get around that models were opening up a restaurant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If a model is opening a restaurant, it should be macrobiotic. It should be old school, you know, like Sue En or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

RIP Sue En. I feel like the two breakthrough celebrity side hustles were Beauty and then alcohol. Rihanna with Fenty Beauty, followed up by Selena Gomez with Rare Beauty and then Casamigos. And as much as this makes my eyes roll, I guess Ryan Reynolds, an aviation gin. No, really, he sold it for a boatload of money.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Imagine just sitting in front of all the gins and grabbing that bottle instead of, like, Hendrix or something. I'm not even a gin drinker, so I don't know what the good gin.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is, but I think part of a successful celebrity side hustle is you have to find some kind of vertical that is underrepresented, for sure, or something that's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Genuinely innovative, like, to bring it back to beauty. The Kylie Jenner Lip Kit was innovative. The range of shades in the Fenty foundation was innovative. They genuinely brought something new to the market that should have already existed. So it makes sense that they would be rewarded for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

However, those that come afterwards, where you kind of go, was this your genuine passion or did your manager come to you with this licensing opportunity?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, you can tell it's not their passion. Like, do you think that Cindy Crawford is passionate about her Raymore and Flanagan furniture?

[Lauren Garrone]

She is an infomercial queen that is in a different echelon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that is actually kind of the original celebrity brand.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like pre beauty, pre alcohol. It was qvc. It was Joan Rivers, the Liza Minnelli collection on qvc, Jane Fonda's workout tapes, Cher, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

So do we want to discuss some celebrity side hustles that don't work as well? Because what I think about not quite genuine celebrity brands, I can't help but think of Bella Hadid and her affiliation with Kin Euphorics, because she somehow became the founder of brand after the product had launched. And I don't know how that works exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm kind of fine with that, actually, because at least she identified a product that people seem to like. Like, I'm not the hugest Kin fan personally, but I know that they have an audience. And why not just buy into something fab that already exists, then try and, like, poach all the same people and make your own shittier version? This is true, I think, that most celebrity brands are complete flops. They're not memorable. Again, they're not innovating. And these people are genuinely not passionate or to Tina Fey's point, perhaps not qualified to even be doing this. The success for most of these brands, I think rests on the team that is developing the products and doing the marketing. Like, I don't know if Road, for example, is super successful because Hailey Bieber is like the most insane creative visionary. I think that there are just really good people working on that brand.

[Lauren Garrone]

See, I can't tell you what products Rhode makes, but I can tell you that I know from driving around Los Angeles, those pop ups, very successful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm surprised you don't know what product she makes because all we do is hear about the peptide lip treatment and the glaze. Face glaze or whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I was being hyperbolic. Yes, I know there's like lip products and there's like a milky thing and the iPhone case, that's where she innovated. Like Kylie Jenner. The iPhone case that you can put your lip gloss in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly.

[Lauren Garrone]

I know people dunk on the Kylie Jenner beauty brand, but like, how insane that it took up until her to package the same color lip liner with a lipstick.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like this isn't rocket science. And yet somehow Kylie Jenner is that rocket scientist.

[Lauren Garrone]

And guess what? No brand copied her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, can we talk about some actually good celebrity brands? Because I don't think that they're all trash.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, but before we do, can we discuss, I think, a forgotten celebrity brand, which was Scarlett Johansson's popcorn store in Paris.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Who weekly listeners have not forgotten about Yummy Pop.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was married to a French guy. She was forced to live in Paris. There was nothing else to do but start a popcorn store.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did they not have popcorn in France, according to her?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, but. But now she has a pretty good skincare line. Like the outset has some pretty legit products. I've used them. I went through.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. The Squalene moisturizer I used until it was empty and then forgot to rebuy it and then just got a different moisturizer. But I remember it being quite good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do you remember when Jessica Simpson had that body care line called Dessert? And I think it was like lotion that sprayed onto your body like whipped cream.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not to be confused with the cardi b whipped body shots.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Don't mix up the two.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right. What are some other good celebrity brands in your opinion?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I want to shout out the OG Paul Newman.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, Newman's Own.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, Newman's Own. Been buying that man's salad dressing for years. I buy his dog treats from time to time. All of the proceeds are donated to children's charities. I believe he started this Brand with the intention of using his fame and his likeness to make money for charity, which is an incredibly noble thing to do. No one would do that now, I was gonna say.

[Lauren Garrone]

And no one has followed in his footsteps.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not one person. But it's crazy to me that I think younger generations are going to look at him like he's Chef Boyardee or Aunt Jemima or something, and not like he's the man from Cool Hand Louis.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I think that time has already passed. They're like, he's the salad dressing guy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Another celebrity side hustle that I support. The Row. The Row is a brand so deeply influential that Prada is knocking off their handbags. And I think that their taste level is on par with the best European designers. And I appreciate the fact that they are committed to quality, which is a thing that a lot of celebrities don't seem to care about.

[Lauren Garrone]

They also put it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm looking at you, Jessica Simpson.

[Lauren Garrone]

They also put in the time. I mean, the Row has only recently come to this place of, like, being some of the most well regarded designers. I mean, it was 10 years of kind of eating in the fashion press. And thankfully, because they were child stars that had Kmart fashion lines and sold their direct to video videos, they were able to just fund their line until it became what it is now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good for them. They're the best. Another celebrity side hustle. I support Amy Sedaris decorating books.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, yeah. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

These are humor books. And I don't think books should necessarily count as a celebrity side hustle, because a lot of them do write books, but these are different. Like Gwyneth Paltrow, she has an interest in the domestic arts, in entertaining, in crafting, and those books were incredible. I support anything she wants to do in this sort of home realm.

[Lauren Garrone]

But you don't support Ellen DeGeneres home goods line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, do not support that. Also Home Court. We've talked about this before. Courtney Cox's line of cleaning products. Very innovative because she decided to hire a master perfumer to formulate the scents. No one has done that before. No one's even tried to do anything like this.

[Lauren Garrone]

And the rose scent actually smells like roses.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Although I've switched over to the Mandarin basil. That's my favorite one now.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh. Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The last celebrity brand that I completely co sign, Houseplant. Seth Rogen's line of smoking accessories. Because this appears to have been born out of a genuine passion for two things, Weed and ceramics.

[Lauren Garrone]

Two things you can get behind.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Two things I can get behind Two things that he actually seems to care about. And I think it's cool that he has made a brand that's sort of trying to appeal more to a niche, design focused audience than just making a tequila or a beer or something that would just easily sell to, like, fans of Pineapple Express or whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And I think what you're discussing with Home Court and Houseplant is these are products that can stand on their own without their celebrity founder. And oftentimes people actually don't know the affiliation of the actress from Friends or the guy from Pineapple Express are behind these products for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They could not have their faces out there at all. And I feel like these brands would still make sense or might make even more sense. Who knows? I have to ask because it's been a minute. How is the Every Outfit HQ coming along?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, right, yeah. For those who don't know, we are building a space above my garage that will function as our podcast studio fulfillment center office. It's going well. We actually just finished framing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, let me know when I should get involved because I have a ton of ideas.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. You want to help build the studio? Because I think the construction crew would appreciate an extra set of hands.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I detect sarcasm, but what you don't actually know is that I'm great at manual labor.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'm talking about decorating. I actually don't want to do any work in the office, but I am excited to decorate it. And I've been doing some window shopping on Etsy recently.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ah, yes, I'm well aware of your love of Etsy. And for the record, I love Etsy too. That's why we are thrilled to announce that today's episode is actually sponsored by Etsy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I feel like we should go for an 80s postmodern sort of vibe for this studio.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's right. We've been discussing that the look is somewhere in between a 1990s public access show and Diane von Furstenberg's fabulous 1980s office.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I feel like the colors should reflect the branding to some degree. Right. I actually did find this really amazing pink postmodern couch on Etsy, which I am gatekeeping. But I feel like we could buy that and get a black rug, or we could get a black couch and get a pink rug. Like one or the other. Ooh.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, I'm seeing the vision.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, having recently bought some really fabulous 80s furniture on Etsy, I just want to emphasize how nice it is. Refining your search results bilocation location. Because sometimes I like to pick things up instead of have them shipped. You know, especially with furniture, it's nice to see what's available locally. Also, what did you think of the chairs that I sent you?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, guys, Chelsea sent me an Etsy seller by the name of hand shaped chairs. It's exactly what you're thinking. They are chairs that are shaped like gigantic hands.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just love that making hand shaped chairs is someone's job. I feel like I picked the wrong career path.

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel like it would add a level of surrealism to our office that we're definitely looking for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. I love a conversation piece and I feel like this one gives you a lot of look for your money. Certainly.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I also feel like it might inspire us to have more guests on because the idea of friend of the show Alison Bri sitting in a hot pink gigantic hand chair is just too delicious to resist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I know we need a lot of big ticket stuff like furniture, but we also need little decorative items for the studio. And honestly that's my favorite thing to shop. Shop for like little trinket trays, little candles, things of that nature because you can scratch the shopping itch without spending a ton of money. Like a candle is not the same as a couch.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, lay it on me. What did you find on Etsy for us?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I found a really good candle that looks like slime but in a chic way. And I found this really fabulous seller that makes candles that look like hyper realistic beverages. There's a really good Martini one.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, but do they make a Cosmo one?

[Chelsea Fairless]

They do not. I did check. However, a lot of Etsy sellers are open to custom orders so we could try to make that happen.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what I love about Etsy. Alright, this whole conversation has made me really excited for the upcoming Every Outfit office. I'm actually sad that it is not built yet. So while it will be a minute before we could unveil the Every Outfit HQ, you can shop our favorite vintage and 80s inspired office items on Etsy. Chelsea's favorites will be linked in the episode description. But beyond your Etsy favorites, there's a wide array of original pieces at all price points for you dear Lister, to refresh the look of your home or office with the click of a button, shop the Etsy app or go to Etsy.com.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So let's talk about some fashion news from most shocking to least shocking. Okay, I think we know what the most shocking bit of news is, which is that Demna is leaving Balenciaga and will become the new creative director of Gucci. I had heard rumors that he was leaving Balenciaga, but I could never have imagined that this is where he would have ended up. I thought Eddie Slimane was getting this job for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

He will not just be in charge of womenswear. This extends to menswear and accessories. It's the entire brand. According to the chief executive, Stefano Catano, who said of Demna's installment, Gucci stands for fashion authority. This is what we want to bring back again. They're a leather goods company. They really don't have a ready to wear consciousness until Tom Ford comes on board in the 90s.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, sure. But Alessandro Michelli made them a major fashion player, but they fired him for being too weird. Which is why I was surprised by this announcement.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think with Demna's appointment, it does give credence to the theory that Alessandra McKelly was given an ultimatum by the executives of Kering, the parent company that owns Balenciaga, Gucci, among other brands, to.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Basically water down his. His vision.

[Lauren Garrone]

Quiet luxury of Phi. His vision? Hard to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So they then hire Sabito, who's extremely boring. Too boring. And then they realize, oh, wait, we actually do need capital F fashion for this brand to work.

[Lauren Garrone]

When Sabata Sorna was there, revenue of Gucci plunged 23% in 2024. Not great. But we've also discussed this idea that while there was this period of seemingly infinite growth when Alessandra Michell, designer, that's just. It's not sustainable.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course it's not sustainable.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it's very clear. Well, I guess my perspective on this decision is it feels like a decision.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Made out of fear to pick Demna.

[Lauren Garrone]

Just because it's very clear that it's like we need to bring the profits up. What is the easiest way to do that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. But it also does seem like a bit of a risky move in a certain sense. Obviously, what he's done for Balenciaga has been amazing. It's been very controversial at times. There are a lot of people that don't like Demna. There are a lot of people that are not excited about this, shall we say. I don't agree with them. I'm incredibly excited about this.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm intrigued. I mean, the New York Times pointed out, which I did not realize, that while Demna was at Balenciaga, revenues grew to close to $2 billion from 390 million. You cannot argue with his results. I think also what they're looking for at Gucci is a designer that is able to Bring a client that comes back season after season. And you may not like what Demna does at Balenciaga. It's certainly not my personal style, but that client comes back season after season. That is a loyal customer. Don't know if they'll pop over to Gucci, but we'll see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think he's gonna tweak his look a little. Obviously he's not gonna become a completely different designer, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left the sort of black, oversized, industrial, goth streetwear look over at Balenciaga and lean more into the clothes that look like a cartoon of a rich woman. You know, the fur coats with the extreme shoulder pads and the structured handbags and that sort of stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

Stuff for sure. At first I was like, I don't know why Demna would do this, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it is a promotion. Of course he would do it right.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I just thought that he had found a sweet spot at Balenciaga. And also, one thing that Balenciaga offered him that I'm not sure Gucci can is the couture component.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it would be a missed opportunity if they didn't.

[Lauren Garrone]

But also, I realize, I think he's said all he can say with his worldview at Balenciaga. So this is a natural lack, like ability to start again from a design perspective or at least a way to evolve one's design aesthetics.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. Like I said, I still think he will be making oversized clothes at Gucci. Like, I think those oversized suits are coming right over again. Maybe not the more sort of industrial looking stuff, but I can imagine this. I can also imagine him leaning into the nastier side of the Tom Ford era, like the G strings and stuff. Of course, I can imagine him latching onto that. I can imagine him doing a very sort of postmodern take on that classic Gucci jet set look and having some model come down the Runway with 10,000 bags.

[Lauren Garrone]

If I could have a request, and I know that Demna does not listen to this podcast, but if that man were to remake that Gucci bag that Carrie wore in season two, the one that we can never identify that she's wearing at the end of Shortcomings Bestseller.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think the bags are going to be incredible. I think that people will lose their minds. I think it will be the only bag that anybody wants. That is my prediction.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, the fact that Sabata Desarno only designed Jackie bags, like, we could only go up from here in regards to bags with Gucci, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I find it funny that people are like, what could this possibly look like? And I think that that speaks to our collective lack of short term memory, because in 2021, he did design a collection for Gucci with Alessandro Micheli, the hacker project, which was so extremely influential that we see collaborations between huge luxury brands regularly now. But we did see him bring his look to Gucci. Although that collection was so much, I think, about kind of bootlegging. Yeah, it was very cartoony. I don't think that every single piece. Piece he would make for Gucci would look like that necessarily. But I do think it's interesting that that happened.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's very exciting. It's very interesting. There's no word on when or where his first collection will be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, he still has to do a Balenciaga couture show this summer, so I don't think we're gonna see anything from him for a long time. We'll get another placeholder show, but we'll see. I do find it fascinating reading people comments about this on the Internet, because I would think that someone was murdered. A lot of people hate this. A lot of people hate him. And there have been, of course, a lot of criticisms leveled at Balenciaga, But I think the most pervasive one is the idea that clothing that is often associated with the lower classes or the middle classes, like hoodies and crocs and handbags shaped like bags of chips, can't be high fashion. That high fashion is a shoe with a red sole or a Louis Vuitton tote bag or something like that. And I think that when people see those clothes, they feel like they're being made fun of or deceived.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, and there's also a group of people that still think that he's a satanic sex pest.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's that too. I think it's the idea that it's like, what's the point of spending all this money if you don't look right rich?

[Lauren Garrone]

Which one could make the point is his whole commentary with his work at Vent Mons and Balenciaga.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course, one could also make the argument that this has been around forever. I mean, this is the same exact argument that people, you know, made against Vivian Westwood and punk and deconstruction. Because that's about looking poor too, Right? And now every basic bitch goes to Target and buys ripped jeans and no one thinks about it at all. And I do think that Demna is ultimately going to have that level of influence. Influence on people, whether or not they like his potato chip bags now or not.

[Lauren Garrone]

Would you like it if it had a Gucci logo on it, maybe. All right, next up, Donatello Versace steps down as the chief creative officer at Versace, which she has had that role for almost 30 years. But she will now become the chief brand ambassador, which according to the New York Times, is an honorary role involving philanthropy and red carpet carpets. And then they say parentheses and red carpet philanthropy, which I can't tell if they're being sarcastic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love that for her, it actually made me really sad that the Demna announcement completely overshadowed this, because it happened on the same day. And Donatella is one of the most iconic fashion designers in the world, and she deserved a day that was all about her. God damn it. But she will be succeeded by Dario Vitale, who?

[Lauren Garrone]

Another Dario.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Another Dario who works at Miu Miu has been one of the great creative forces behind that brand. So it feels like everyone is really excited about this, and this appointment makes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sense if you know that Prada is in the process to not so secretly buy Versace from the Capri Group. I love that it's called the Capri Group. May I remind you, Chelsea, the Capri Group is actually my Michael Kors company. Iconic Michael Kors purchased Versace in 2018 for $2.1 billion, but sales have only gone down the past few years, and Prada is kind of getting Versace for a steal for only $1.64 billion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's actually really major that they're like, no, we're gonna dress every Italian woman.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because the Versace consumer is never shopping at Prada. And vice versa.

[Lauren Garrone]

Versa, no. Although it does occupy the two modes I like to be in, which is sort of like nerd, but also like romantic thought.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, I don't think of Versace is romantic thought. Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Look, there's two sides to me, Chell. It's nerd chic. And thought. I mean, not at this present moment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was about to say no.

[Lauren Garrone]

Shade, but, like, I'm in glorified sweats right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, you're literally in sweats right now. Now.

[Lauren Garrone]

How dare you? These are my other go to pregnancy pants, which are the J. Crew Strauss pant. Yes. Does it have an elastic waist? It does. Those are real people pants. Ciao.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I would never think you would want to shop at Versace based on this outfit.

[Lauren Garrone]

I might. With Dario Vitale at the head of Versace.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we should want to shop at Versace. There's no reason why we shouldn't want to shop there.

[Lauren Garrone]

I agree with you. It has all of the makings to be the next it girl brand. That's what he did with Mew Mew.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We all want to see Versace succeed.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I know that Donatello's stepping down was overshadowed by Demna. But I do think the Prada group does know what they're doing, because the Gucci client might go over to a Dario Vitale designed Versace. They might feel a little sartorially homeless with Demna's Gucci.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think he's gonna make people look sexy. I think there's gonna be a component that is that Tom Ford look.

[Lauren Garrone]

See, we're even overshadowing Donatella when talking about this news.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know this poor bitch. God. In the least shocking fashion news of the week, Jonathan Anderson is officially out at Loewe.

[Lauren Garrone]

But Chelsea, where will he go?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Dior announcement is eminent. It has not happened yet. I have heard that there has been some drama at Dior with the exit of Maria Grazia. So TBD on when that is happening, but it is happening.

[Lauren Garrone]

They are also, it's worth noting, both LVMH brands. While he's going to a different house, most likely it is still under the same larger corporation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And like Demna, he's essentially getting a promotion, a huge promotion. The biggest promotion that you can get in this world. World, short of Chanel, I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

And, you know, I look forward to no longer shitting on Dior collections, guys. You think I like being this hateful about Dior? We're all rooting for you. Dior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know there's this series of books about Dior that just came out. It's like they sit next to each other on the shelf. It's multiple volumes and they're devoted to all of the different designers. And it just made me think, like, fuck, the history. The legacy is unparalleled. And imagine if Dior was a leader in fashion once again. Again, imagine what that would do.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hard for me to imagine, but they're.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Smart to bring in Jonathan Anderson. Although it's hard for me to imagine this because I feel like with Loewe, even though it's a heritage brand, he kind of just started from scratch and did whatever the fuck he wanted. He did this sort of bohemian Ibiza look for the first half of that 10 years that he was there and then sort of pivoted into the more surreal stuff. And obviously J.W. anderson is exactly what he wants to do. It's not based on anything. It's not referencing anything. So for him to come into A job like this. I'm. I'm curious.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we've seen, because of just the speed of the designer musical chairs, and we discussed this last week with Patrick of like, you can kind of do anything within these heritage brands. I mean, you can really make it your own. It is. It will be interesting to see how. How he honors the design heritage of Dior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't think you can do anything with Dior. I think you have to do certain things. You have to make people want to buy the bags and the jackets and those classic pieces. I feel like you do actually have to uphold something. You can't just completely start from scratch.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also think that the Loewe customer that he's developed is more likely to come over as a new Dior customer than. Again, again, sorry, the Balenciaga customer to Gucci.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

But we'll have to wait and see. We don't know when any of these collections are debuting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What we do know is that this has to be the end for Natalie Portman as Ms. Dior.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my goodness gracious.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think the first thing that they will do is rectify the situation. They need new brand ambassadors. They need a completely different vibe. I don't know if Taylor Russell is still under contract with Loewe, but she would make a great Ms. Dior.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, Natalie Portman started as Ms. Dior before she got married. This woman got married, had two kids, won an Oscar, got divorced, has children, I assume in junior high now. Still Ms. Dior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's on her deathbed. Still Ms. Dior.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know what? At this point. Yeah. I think we need to cradle to the grave. That's Ms. Dior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a lifetime appointment to be Ms. Dior.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of people who could be Ms. Dior, we forgot to mention last week, Gigi Hadid on the COVID of American Vogue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Models. They're back on the COVID of Vogue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I mean, it's fine. I'm pretty much indifferent towards it. It's Annie Leibovitz. It's Moody. It's another Vogue shoot that is inspired by the 20s and Edward Steichen and all of that sort of shit. I wouldn't maybe choose that theme for Gigi necessarily.

[Lauren Garrone]

I agree with you. I did enjoy. Because remember that era in the 2000 and tens where they would do an editorial with a hot male actor and then have a model be in the editorial with them? I like the reverse of this, which is you have two up and coming male actors in the editorial. With Gigi, you had Mike Feist from Challengers. And then Lewis Pullman, who's the son of Bill Pullman, soon to be in a Marvel film, rumored to be dating Kaia Gerber. Her eye for talent unprecedented.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly. She should become a casting agent if this whole modeling thing doesn't work out. One thing I did really like about this though, is that there were a few dresses and hats that were actually from the 1920s. They were from Timeless Vixen, which is one of the better vintage stores in Los Angeles. And I thought that was cool because you don't see a lot of vintage in magazines, even in photo shoots that are inspired by past era as that's.

[Lauren Garrone]

Interesting now, Chelsea, I did go ahead and read the article. I don't know if you did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, no shade to Gigi. I just didn't get around to it.

[Lauren Garrone]

It was pretty unremarkable, I think, mostly because I don't particularly care for her brand. Guest in Residence. Her cashmere brand. We forgot to mention that with celebrity side hustles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I didn't know she had one. What is it called?

[Lauren Garrone]

Guest in residence, I believe. Nor do I care for her comments about her relationship with Bradley Cooper. But I was struck by this one quote where it discusses that Donatella Versace was an early champion. She was one of the first, as Hadid puts it, to be like, your athletic volleyball body is the sexiest thing I've ever seen. Even though that wasn't really the opinion at the time in fashion. And something in the back of my brain was like, volleyball body is very specific. Where have I heard that before? Then it all clicked into place which on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Yolanda Hadid was a cast member for several seasons pre modeling fame of Bella and Gigi. And they are on the show and you saw firsthand, that is very clear that Yolanda gave Gigi and Bella their love of fashion and the idea that they could be models, but also gave them raging disordered eating problems and complexes about their bodies as personified in this clip.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Volleyball is a very masculine sport. Modeling is a very feminine thing. I know. And that means sometimes we have to give up things that we love to do. You know, you have to make a choice.

[Lauren Garrone]

Modeling is my job. Volleyball is my sport.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So their bodies are big and bulky and I mean, they eat like, like men. I love how they're talking about Gigi as if she's some sort of diesel dyke or something. Just like, just stomping around like a lumberjack.

[Lauren Garrone]

By the way, this is a 15, 16 year old Gigi Hadid, who, yes, is playing volleyball, but, like, is maybe a size two. Wow. She's butch. It's clear. Like Gigi's own blonde mother. Her up and she's like, you know what? Donatella healed so much because she was like, I love your volleyball body.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, can we talk about the accompanying video, though?

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. This was crazy. All I could think about was just the production budget to do the editorial that's in the magazine that is so completely different than the video that they shot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I got whiplash from that.

[Lauren Garrone]

They could have easily done a Hairspray inspired editorial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know, and I would have preferred that. Although I feel like this. This video, which was directed by Bardio Zinali, who's made a lot of really great video content for Vogue, this felt like an extension of the Marc Jacobs issue. This felt like, oh, remember that issue we had with, like, all of the queer and trans people? And everyone was just really happy? Let's do more of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's funny, because the GG editorial in Vogue really harkens back to kind of the last great era of Vogue, where they actually had a budget. And it's very clear now everything is about the video content. And I was like, well, clearly the video is more important than the editorial. And then I looked at the numbers, and it came out eight days ago, and it hasn't cracked 100,000 views. So I'm like, what was the purpose of this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's sad.

[Lauren Garrone]

For those who haven't seen the video, we should explain.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. It is essentially a music video. It is not a fashion film. It is a music video. And Gigi is covering You Can't Stop the Beat from Hairspray. It features special appearances by Scola, Laverne Cox, Marc Jacobs, of course, and it was fun. I'm glad they did it. But I don't know if casting Gigi in the role of Tracy Turnblad makes a whole lot of sense. Like, that's fatphobia right there.

[Lauren Garrone]

It absolutely doesn't. Because I don't know if you saw. There was an explanation, I think, in the YouTube caption that was like, Vogue cover star Gigi Hadid, who played Amber Von Tussle at just nine years old in the production of Hairspray. It's like, okay, then have her be that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she doesn't have a big number. That's the whole thing. I don't actually think it's fatphobic, by the way, although I do think that they actively tried to make it not fatphobic, which is why they cut the line in Cola Scolo's solo, they were playing the Harvey Fierstein role about eating the Christmas ham. I'm sorry, Hairspray. People will understand this. They cut the ham eating lyric. They don't want anyone talking shit.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is what happens when you've already done 73 questions. Potentially eventually twice. It's like this man has no more questions for Gigi. Actually, we're gonna have to think of something else.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It did make me really happy to see Cola Scola, though, in the. In the Harvey Fierstein divine role. And I love that because they're such a tiny person, they put them in this big, puffy, sculptural Marc Jacobs dress that evokes the look of a heavier woman.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm starting to buy into your theory. I think this was just an edit that wasn't done in time for the Marc Jacobs issue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's very that. Also, I feel like we might need to hairspray back on Broadway so Laverne Cox can do the Motormouth Maybelle role, because that really worked. That worked too well. She'd been waiting her whole life for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't even like musicals, and I would go see that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, all right.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you won't be seeing it at the Kennedy center anytime soon. That much we know.

[Lauren Garrone]

People come here to get away from politics, as I've been told. All right, right. I think we've said it all about fashion. Shall we discuss an incredibly depressing Prestige limited series you made me watch over the weekend?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I made you watch? Did you not like it? Did it not make you feel good about having a child?

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, we're talking, of course, about the Netflix limited series that has taken over the platform adolescence, which is a real joy to anyone that's about to have a boy. Oh, boy. No. I mean, it's just a bummer. It's an incredibly well done series. Nor do I particularly think that the sun that I will have will fall into the manosphere.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He better not. We're just gonna have to, like, brainwash him with that Vogue hairspray video. Clockwork Orange style.

[Lauren Garrone]

Somehow I think Morty being surrounded by his lesbian aunt. I doubt out he's going to become a devotee of Andrew Tate.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, hopefully he'll go to a better school than that kid went to.

[Lauren Garrone]

So for those who have not seen this series, it is about a young boy who murders a girl. I don't think that's a spoiler alert. Who is influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate, who I was surprised he got name checked in the series. I thought it was going to be inspired by this thing going on in online. And he gets a shout out, which I think is giving him too much energy, but whatever.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but I think what I really like about this show, it subverts our expectations on so many fronts. Right. Because when you watch the first episode, you think, I know what I'm in for. This is a police procedural sort of situation. And throughout this four part series, we're gonna be peeling back the layers of the onion, figuring out, getting to the heart of like why this young kid would commit such a violent and heinous crime. But they abandoned that immediately. They're like, nope, he did it. Which is so much more interesting.

[Lauren Garrone]

I did see people surprised that there wasn't a twist ending, which I think speaks to our brain brokenness of ripped from the headlines true crime fictionalized prestige series that we've been inundated with over the last five years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. It's also just breaking away from basic television conventions. Even the fact that they resist the urge to give us an explanation for this that might make sense. Right? Like they don't do the Law and Order SVU type thing where they're like, okay, well he did murder this chick, but he was molested by his soccer coach, or he has been diagnosed as a sociopath, or he has multiple personalities and the bad one committed this crime. You know, they don't give us any justification for it that could make it make sense for us. It's just kind of a vague thing where it's like, well, he was bullied and he was exposed to stuff online. But like, they don't even really get granular about that, which I think is fascinating.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, all we get is that he had a bad reaction to a series of passive aggressive emojis that were left on an Instagram comment. So for those who haven't seen the series, the other I would say astonishing thing about it is not just the ripped from the headlines story. It's not based on a specific true story. But. But Stephen Graham, who is the star of the show, co created it as a co writer on it and he was taken by these news stories about teenagers stabbing each other and obviously the influence of incel culture and manosphere titans like Andrew Tate. So each episode, there's only four episodes. Gotta love British television series. They are all hour long, one shot episodes. I personally think there are hidden cuts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it is an unceasing, unending tracking shot. Yeah, yeah. It's shocking and it's crazy. Because it feels so naturalistic when you know that it is the opposite. It is the most choreographed, contrived, rehearsed thing that you could imagine. But because I think the episodes are filmed in a single take, it does feel truer to our. Our experience of just walking around the world and observing things. And it forces us to be very present with what's going on with the characters. And I feel like it's especially different today when we're used to watching TV shows where there's, like, the A plot, the B plot, the C plot. Also with shows like Severance, we're also doing flashbacks and things like that that really take you out of the moment. And this was just so unrelenting.

[Lauren Garrone]

The performances are so on point. All I could think about is, like, what if you're the person that messes, Messes up a line?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know, it's too much pressure. Well, also Stephen Graham, who plays the dad, one of the most incredible cinematic depictions of a grieving father that I think we've ever had. It reminds me of, you know, watching, like, in the Bedroom or Ordinary People or movies like that, for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

And for those who haven't seen the series, it's not too much of a spoiler, but, you know, the first episode is. Is the kid is arrested. He goes to the police station. The second episode, I guess that's what subverted my expectations is you're like, okay, we're going to be following him through the trial, through, you know, the aftermath, how that affects the parents of the murdered girl, who, like, they make this point in the series. And then they kind of also do the thing that the female detectives commenting on in the second episode, which is like, we've forgotten the girl. Like, the girl's name isn't even mentioned. She's talking about the press and how everyone focuses on the perpetrator and how the boy almost gets more fame. So I was like, okay, so the fourth episode is gonna be about the grieving parents of this murdered girl. It's like, nope.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And that's basically what they did with the Jeffrey Dahmer monster series.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right? It's all through his perspective.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, then at the end, it switches to be more about the victims. No, they did not do that. That.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then the second episode is at the school, the third episode, which is. I don't know. There's not even a best episode. They all kind of build off of each other. But to your point of, like, they don't explore why this boy did this. I mean, he's off. This is A boy that has rage issues which you see in the third episode, he's off.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But what's so unsettling about it and what was unsettling to his court appointed psychologist was the fact that he kind of switches back between being this full blown psycho and being this like kid that has to be told to eat his cereal.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well. And at times he's sort of flirting with her as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Again, they don't make him out to be 100%, undeniably sociopathic. This movie reminded me of Gus Van Sant's Elephant in the sense that, you know, when that came out, that was about the then burgeoning epidemic of school shootings. But similarly does not offer a satisfying explanation as to the motives of the two shooters.

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel like every generation or certainly every 10 years, there's a movie that is supposed to like shock the out of parents of like, what's going on with today's youth. And I feel like in the 80s that was River's Edge. In the 90s that was kids in the 2000s, you know, pick your poison elephant 13. And this feels just like. Well, because we don't really make movies like this anymore. It's evolved from movies to television of like, look what's going on with today's youth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And euphoria has also been that show more recently, although is obviously less centered around violence than this show is. Yeah. Between this and White Lotus, big week for dads having nervous breakdowns.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I guess, yeah. British actors Jason Isaac with a southern accent and Stephen Graham with whatever his accent was, which I immediately had to put the subtitles on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

White Lotus.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I'm talking about Adolesce Parker Posey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Was that hard for you to understand? Oh, I always keep the subtitles on. I'm ashamed of it. But honestly, it's not my fault. It's because there's no regulations as to the sound levels on one network to another between the ads and the actual show. And I can't deal with that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm purely talking about their Liverpoolian accent. And there is a moment in the final episode where it is the boy's family and focusing on the sort of aftermath from their perspective where I had the subtitles on. I was actively watching it, reading the subtitles, still couldn't understand what they were saying.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, they could have been speaking Russian for all I know. But good for the British people. What a wonderful show. I'm excited.

[Lauren Garrone]

What I mean, it is a very competent show. It is depressing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's depressing. But hey, at least it's only four episodes.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is true. But it does feel like there was some meeting at Netflix post Baby Reindeer where they were like, these Americans love depressing British dramas. What else do we got?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they figured it out and I think this is gonna be a big awards season season contender. But who do you nominate? The kid or the dad? Both of them. They're both equally leads.

[Lauren Garrone]

And where does Jason Isaacs fit into all of this? So, Chelsea, I think we've said it all, but I was going through some hotline calls and this got my attention and I feel like we should address this now.

[Unknown]

Hi, YouTube. Very thrilled for you that there is a new way of putting commercials into the non patreon stuff. Love that Lauren doesn't have to record so much. However, the commercials that I keep getting during your podcast are for a very, very evangelical church that apparently is local to me. So I don't know how these ads are getting chosen, but I have to say I am not their target demographic. Thanks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye, guys. Lauren has a baby on the way, and if we have to run ads for mega churches is so be it. No, no, I'm joking.

[Lauren Garrone]

Thank you to this fuckette for bringing this to our attention. We were unaware of this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. When I first heard this call, I immediately called Lauren and was like, what the fuck? How did this happen?

[Lauren Garrone]

So to take you behind the scenes of every outfit, we have recently switched ad networks. Thank you, caller, for being like, thank God Lauren doesn't have to do ads anymore. I will soon be doing ads again. They're figuring out getting our host ad reads going. But in the meantime, they told us about this thing called dynamically placed ads, and that is what you guys are hearing. We have no control over this. Also, I do go back and listen to our episodes and here in Los Angeles, we were not getting those ads. So it is targeted seemingly by location.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although, thank God we realized that we can go to the back end of our ad network's website and uncheck the boxes that say that we will do ads for religious organizations. We also turned off the gambling ones and the tobacco ones. So sorry if you guys have been getting ads for like, scary vapes or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, sorry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we're sorry. This is a formal apology to anyone that had to hear that we would never endorse a religious organization for a multitude of reasons, but especially not a mega ch church.

[Lauren Garrone]

But this feels like a good time to hype up our VIP channel. I do understand we are seemingly hurdling towards a recession and, you know, Potentially giving us $5 a month is a luxury and that's completely fine. Keep listening to us on the main feed. But I just do want to say that our Patreon, you have access to our weekly episodes ad free and you get them a little bit earlier plus two additional episodes of Month month. Our next VIP episode, which should be dropping Tuesday, is a deep dive on the Kim Cattrall Sarah Jessica Parker feud. You can also get these additional episodes on Apple subscriptions, but we personally feel Patreon is the superior experience. You can comment, we comment back, we can add you to close friends on Instagram stories at the ten dollar level and up. We send you quarterly stickers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well also Patreon just generally speaking is better to creators. Creators get a higher percentage of the money that you pay every month. So we also love it for that reason. Although of course Apple has found another way to fuck us. And by us I mean you and me, Lauren, as well as our listeners.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. So a note about those who hear this and are thinking about joining our Patreon. The Apple App Store has started applying a 30% app store fee to all new members purchased in the Patreon iOS app. Those thinking of joining, we encourage you to join via the desktop Patreon website. You can then take that RSS feed, put it into your Spotify listen on that app.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you can use the app still. You just can't make the initial purchase through the app. Yes, just to clarify also if you've purchased it through the app in the past like before they rolled this out, which was what, a month ago or something?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You are not affected. You will not be paid more if you've already signed up. It's just people who are signing up now through the app and Patreon has given creators the option to absorb the fee, which is both considerate and fucked up. I can't really figure out how I feel about it. I don't think that people should do it or I don't think that people on patreon should lose 30% of their income to Apple. So that is why we are imploring you guys to just use a desktop computer. Anywho.

[Lauren Garrone]

But thank you listener for bringing this to our attention. We are sorry to you guys who have had to hear these kind of ads. Who knows what kind of ads are on this episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

One can only imagine.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is especially funny that we're addressing this because we did do as you guys heard a sponsored Etsy ad that we believe in. Chelsea did curate an incredible collection.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do believe in Etsy Absolutely.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, guys, we will see you next week. It will be a Sex and the City rewatch episode. What episode are we gonna do?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Even we don't know.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, guys, see you next week. By.