239: On the Emmys, New York Fashion Week, Jimmy Kimmel

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast: Episode 239

On the Emmys, New York Fashion Week, Jimmy Kimmel
Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garrone

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Episode Overview

In this zeitgeist-capturing episode, Chelsea and Lauren embark on their signature deep-dive into fashion and pop culture, pulling no punches as they dissect the 2025 Emmys, the state of American TV amid the Jimmy Kimmel controversy, and the highs and lows of New York Fashion Week. True to form, their conversation weaves in sharp critiques, fashion gossip, personal anecdotes, and biting humor. They also touch on current events and the shifting media landscape, making this a must-listen for anyone obsessed with both fashion and how it intersects with politics and entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Personal Catch-up: Miami, Boats, Birthdays, and Mariah Carey Vibes

• [01:34] Chelsea recounts her trip to Miami for her and her wife's birthdays, enjoying South Beach, dinners, pool time, a gay club, and renting a boat.
• Lauren (new mom) watched from afar, joking about the parasocial relationship with her own best friend, and explains why she didn't make it (three-month-old at home).
• Miami Fashion: Chelsea raves about Miami's vibrant dressing style compared to LA's "athleisure hell," noting that LA is “full of people in aloe sets that look like shit.” [07:00]
• Gianni's (the Versace mansion) is covered: the crowd is “really cheesy” and features designer-outfitted toddlers and club kids. [07:49]
• Discussion of designer-named restaurants and the economics of iconic properties for sale (Versace’s mansion, David Lynch’s compound). [09:45]

2. State of American TV: Jimmy Kimmel Controversy

• [15:02] Lauren and Chelsea dig into the anxiety-producing current media climate, focusing on Jimmy Kimmel being pulled off-air for critical comments following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
  • “It’s so crazy because what he said was more dragging MAGA Republicans for using Charlie Kirk's death for political gain and making fun of Trump and his new ballroom that he's adding to the White House. Like, it really was not that bad.” — Chelsea [16:41]
• The corporate/media dynamic: Networks are “capitulating to Trump again not even a year into his presidency." [17:22]
• The centrality of the Nextar Media Group/Tegna $6.2B merger and the influence of FCC Chair Brandon Carr are discussed as pivotal to Kimmel’s fate. [18:01]
• Gun-shy media: ABC reportedly feared “retaliation from Trump” more than Kimmel’s actual comments. Sinclair, another media conglomerate, demanded an apology and donation to Turning Point for Kimmel to return. [19:38]
• Reflections on speech, censorship, and the future of media: “Thank God it’s a good time to be a subscriber-based independent media organization.” [19:27]
• The contrast with right-wing complaints about “cancel culture” versus what’s actually happening is made explicit.
  • “It really scares me…sometimes I have insomnia and I can’t sleep and I have racing thoughts about, like, everything bad that could happen in my life slash the world. And it’s distressing.” — Chelsea [17:05]

3. 2025 Emmys: Hosting, Format, Winners, and Fashion

Hosting and Gimmicks

• Host: Nate Bargatze, "comedian for unproblematic suburban dads" (Lauren) [20:24].
• Main gimmick: $100k to Boys & Girls Club, with money subtracted per second of speech over 45s, added if shorter—resulted in awkwardly rushed speeches and “very confusing math.” [21:47, 22:11]
  • “Funny the first time, not funny the 20th time.” — Chelsea [22:11]

Notable Segments & Reunions

• Country-themed Golden Girls tribute with audience support (“or at least Colin Farrell”) [24:01]
• Gilmore Girls and Law & Order reunions—Chelsea admits never watching the original Law & Order, only Criminal Intent [25:34].
  • “When the curtain pulled up and they revealed Mariska in the sequin gown, I screamed like a Jonas Brothers fan.” — Chelsea [26:22]

Memorable Acceptances

• [31:30] Hannah Einbinder: “Go birds. Fuck ICE and free Palestine.” [31:45]
  • Chelsea: “I was like, go Birds. What is this bitch talking about?” [31:45]
• Jeff Hiller (“Somebody Somewhere”): Chelsea praises the “important representation,” unique portrayal of a small-town gay man, and gushes about the “our friends are our soulmates” thesis. [28:42]
• Adolescents’ kid winner: “So charming, but also so precocious…Buddy, you were 12.” — Lauren [33:08]
• Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen Humanitarian Award: Chelsea laments why Danson isn’t as lauded as Jeff Goldblum or Kyle MacLachlan. [33:55, 34:51]

Best & Worst Dressed

Best Dressed Highlights:

• Jenna Ortega (Givenchy): Lauren loves her goth persona, but Chelsea finds her glam “a little extreme for the Emmys, maybe a little more VMAs.” [37:10]
• Colman Domingo (Valentino): “Perfect muse for Alessandro Michele’s vision.” — Lauren [37:54]
• Chloe Sevigny (YSL): “She’s never looked bad at an award show in her life.” — Chelsea [38:40]
• Gwendoline Christie (Tom Ford by Haider Ackermann): “Giving this woman the Diane Keaton Award for white pantsuit excellence.” — Chelsea [39:40]
• Owen Cooper (Gap): Praised for accessible, Prada-inspired look. [39:11]

Worst Dressed Lowlights:

• Pedro Pascal (Celine): Off proportions, “something off…maybe it’s the white shoes.” — Lauren [40:48]
• Christopher Meloni (John Varvatos): “Nightmare Jacquard… made him look gay, but not in a cool way.” — Chelsea [41:25]
• Sydney Sweeney (Oscar de la Renta): “Just boring…Like we’ve seen it a thousand times.” — Chelsea [46:11]
• Carrie Coon (Chanel): “Great hair, but dress felt too dated.” [47:03]
• Meg Stalter: White T-shirt and jeans, “going for worst dressed as a strategy,” with “Ceasefire” tote. [47:50]
  • “If Joan Rivers had lived to see this, it would have killed her.” — Chelsea [48:15]

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4. Fashion Industry Drama: Quality, Luxury, and TikTok Exposés

• [49:07] Viral story: TikToker/model Wisdom K spends $18,000 at Miu Miu — suffers repeated garment malfunctions (zippers and buttons fall off), exposing the grim reality of declining luxury quality.
  • “Everything is way more expensive and the quality is way worse.” — Lauren [51:12]
  • “They have the audacity to sell us jelly sandals [for] $500…the Row is making $800 flip flops that are just foam.” — Chelsea [51:12]
• Hosts advocate for vintage, resale, or supporting young designers over current “bastard people” luxury industry. [51:41]

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5. New York Fashion Week: Runway Gimmicks, Highlights, & Critiques

Runway Gimmicks and SponCon

• Andrew Cuomo walks in the bipartisan “Style Across the Aisle” fashion show, drawing wisecracks about the spectacle (“feels like an event Sam Jones would have done the PR for”). [52:05]
• Susan Alexandra & Rachel Antonoff: Return of the dog show/fashion show hybrid, featuring adoption-ready dogs as models. [54:36]
  • “Performance art…sponsored by Milkbone… the funniest corporate sponsor in history.” — Chelsea [55:05]
• Raising Canes’ chicken finger-inspired fashion show at The Standard, with garments “evoking a chicken finger being dipped into cane sauce.” [55:15]
• Tanner Fletcher x Etsy: Models emerged from a moving truck with Etsy decor, “as well executed as you can do” sponsored content. [58:12]

Show Reviews

• Calvin Klein (by Veronica Leone): Panned for “nothing authoritative,” recycling ideas from other designers (Marc Jacobs, Bottega, Raf Simons, Balenciaga, Prada), and uninspired branding. [63:47]
  • “It’s sad when this should be the biggest show in New York, but it feels like a lot of these younger designers that are influenced by Calvin Klein are beating them at their own game.” — Chelsea [65:03]
• Lee by Zane Lee: Praised as “sporty and chic…avant-garde but not so conceptual as to be unwearable.” [70:48]
• Eckhaus Latta & Rachel Comey: Celebrated for their authenticity, diverse casting, and a sense of “real New Yorkers.”
  • Rachel Comey models did their own hair/makeup, which was praised for elegance over contrived sameness. [73:57]
• Sandy Liang: Praised for playful, surreal designs—"Like Romy & Michele designed for their store"—though hosts feel they’ve aged out of the core audience. [75:39]
• LoveShackFancy: Critiqued as “clothing for women who use the hashtag ‘rose all day’ and have gender reveal parties,” paralleling the style to cheesy LA restaurants. [78:21]
• Anna Sui: Lauded for consistent, non-offensive boho, and highlighted new book “Anna The 90s.” [81:03]

Industry Critique

• Rachel Tashjian’s “When Did Fashion Week Get So Boring?” (Washington Post) is invoked to discuss the dominance of “Carolyn Bessette chic” and brands catering to a narrow, wealthy, minimal-aesthetic market. [66:25]
  • “Surely someone has another idea—even Phoebe Philo makes clothes that are a lot more interesting and subversive and cheeky and funny.” — Chelsea [67:35]

Gwyneth Paltrow & Branding

• Gwen (formerly Goop’s G Label): New branding, same aesthetic—hosts question the point of the rebrand. [59:06]
• Goop Kitchen revealed as a licensing deal; Gwyneth is not involved in food creation. [61:19]

Other Notables

• Poochi’s Miami store: Admired for transparent “heritage” print use, ideal resort style. [87:03]
  • “If there was one brand, if I had to pick a brand…if I won the Powerball, I’m going to Pucci first.” — Chelsea [88:16]
• Balenciaga fragrances: A mix of traditional and odd—seaweed, “musky,” and incense-based. [89:05]

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Memorable Quotes

• “Miami…they eat dinner late, they actually look good. People think that people dress up in LA, but really LA is full of people in aloe sets that look like shit.” — Chelsea [07:00]
• “It’s a good time to be a subscriber based independent media organization.” — Lauren [19:27]
• “Fashion that looks like this looks great. But surely someone has another idea.” — Chelsea [67:35]
• “Performance art sponsored by Milkbone—that is the funniest corporate sponsor in history.” — Chelsea [55:05]
• “If Joan Rivers had lived to see this, it would have killed her.” — Chelsea (re: Meg Stalter’s Emmys look) [48:15]
• “Everything is way more expensive and the quality is way worse.” — Lauren [51:12]
• “If I won the Powerball, I’m going to Pucci first.” — Chelsea [88:16]

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Timestamps: Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|---------------| | MIAMI: Chelsea’s Trip | 01:34 – 09:33 | | Jimmy Kimmel Firing/Media Analysis | 15:02 – 20:01 | | 2025 Emmys Overview & Reunions | 20:16 – 28:42 | | Emmys Fashion: Best/Worst Dressed | 36:38 – 48:53 | | TikTok Luxury Fashion Drama (Miu Miu) | 49:07 – 51:53 | | NY Fashion Week Gimmicks & Highlights | 52:05 – 66:25 | | Industry Critique (Rachel Tashjian, etc.) | 66:25 – 69:47 | | Standout NYFW Shows (Lee, Eckhaus, etc.) | 70:48 – 77:08 | | Niche/Diffusion Brands, Price Points | 77:49 – 78:47 | | LoveShackFancy/Anna Sui/Culture | 78:21 – 83:56 | | Book/Pop Culture Digs | 83:56 – 86:31 | | Pucci Store, Balenciaga Perfumes | 86:31 – 90:27 |

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Overall Vibe & Takeaways

Bitchy, hilarious, and never shy to mix critique with gushing fanhood, this episode is a time capsule of early-2020s American fashion and pop culture mania—Equal parts dread and devotion, vanity and values. As ever, Lauren and Chelsea tackle serious cracks in the media and fashion worlds, but with their trademark irreverence and encyclopedic knowledge.

If you want the inside scoop on who flopped, who slayed, and why the media landscape is as brittle as Miu Miu’s buttons, this episode is for you.

Transcript

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[Lauren Garrone]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great gowns, Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. Chelsea, how the hell are you? I truly have not seen you since we recorded last week. I'm going to assume that your week much more fun than my week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it was probably more fun than your week. Yes. I went to Miami, to South beach to celebrate my wife's 30th birthday and my 41st birthday. And we. We went there with a bunch of our friends. 11 of our friends flew in from various places. Tat's parents came from Greece, where they'd been living. And yeah, we had fabulous dinners and hung out by the pool and turned up at the gay club. And we rented a boat on Tat's actual birthday, which was really fun.

[Lauren Garrone]

I actually know this. I feel like I was one of the listeners over the weekend, having a parasocial relationship with my own best friend. Just watching what you were doing through Instagram stories.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you were invited and I'm pleased to report that, yeah, being on a boat, I've never done anything like that. But it was like the Mariah Carey Honey music video.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm trying to remember that music video. Weren't there spies? Didn't she have to, like, jump off the boat? There was a Jet Ski.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There was a Jet Ski. I did ride a jet Ski, which also felt very hunting wives.

[Lauren Garrone]

Now, I'm going to assume you weren't driving the Jet Ski. You were on the back of a Jet Ski?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I'm not bold enough to drive, but yeah, it was really nice. It was really restorative. We stayed at this hotel called the Shelbourne, which is like an old Miami hotel that's recently undergone this crazy ass renovation. And you will never guess who was staying there.

[Lauren Garrone]

Patricia Field?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. That would be amazing. Danny Houston, brother of Angelica and the villain in the new Naked Gun movie, which I loved and I just watched. I know you had seen, but we've never talked about it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. The amount of money that I have spent on rentals through Apple tv, it must be in the hundreds at this point. But it's bad for theatrical films, but great for people who've just had babies that movies are within weeks available to watch digitally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I loved it. I really loved it. I wish I had seen it in a theater. I would have loved to see it with an audience.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, that's the other problem. If you don't see it in two weeks, then you must rent it digitally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. Did you ever watch the original ones with Leslie Nielsen?

[Lauren Garrone]

That feels like one of those. Comedy Central was always on in the background growing up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I loved all of those films. There were three of them. And I especially liked the third movie, Naked Gun 33. And a third, because it was like about a. It was like a terrorist attack or a bomb or something that was gonna go off at the Oscars. And that's the one that has Anna Nicole Smith in it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right? Right. And Priscilla Presley is in those movies as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, Priscilla Presley. Pamela Anderson took on the Priscilla Pres in this new version with Liam Neeson.

[Lauren Garrone]

She has great comedic timing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She does. The scene where she's scatting is so good. I honestly, I don't think I have laughed this hard in a really long time. And the jokes, like the original, they come in such fast succession that you almost even don't have time to process everything.

[Lauren Garrone]

The thing that I was laughing about days later is the bit where. And it's in the trailer where there's body cam footage of Liam Neeson eating a hot dog repeatedly and having to have an emergency bathroom event every time he has a hot dog. And then when it's revealed during an interrogation with Busta Rhymes, he's just in a corner and he goes, I had five more that day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Liam Neeson is very good at doing deadpan comedy and I loved him in.

[Lauren Garrone]

This, but I don't think that there's going to be a sequel for the film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. It seems to be popular. No, I know.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, when the film was coming out, it was reported that Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson were dating, which warmed the hearts of many of us. But it's recently come out that maybe that was just a PR relationship to promote the film. And that is at once genius, but also breaks my heart a little bit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you would think that they would be above that.

[Lauren Garrone]

They definitely smashed though.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope they did. Anyway, how have you been?

[Lauren Garrone]

I do want to clarify. Paul and I, whose birthday also happened on the 13th.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, right.

[Lauren Garrone]

His birthday's not gonna matter till his 40th. I think that's what we. Since all of you are born either on the same day or within a day of each other. Last year it was your birthday, this year it's Tat's birthday. And then, yeah, Paul doesn't really have, sadly, a significant birthday until his 40th.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also Fiona Apple's birthday. Our queen.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's true. All of you neurodivergos in my life, to be fair, we were invited to Miami. It seemed a little premature to leave a three month old back in Los Angeles and go and party. And also it really didn't feel like the vibe to bring an infant to Miami. I didn't want to do that to Tatiana.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it could have worked. But yes, for your own sanity and ease, probably best that you stayed home. Although I love Miami so much, I could move there. We had the best time when we went a couple years ago. And I just think that they're doing everything right. They eat dinner late. They actually look good. Like they pull full looks. People think that people dress up in la, but really LA is full of people in aloe sets that look like shit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, absolutely. It's athleisure at all times.

[Chelsea Fairless]

These people wear like head to toe cavalli unironically and look incredible.

[Lauren Garrone]

Just say the word, Chelsea. Like Migra grandparents had a house in Boca Raton. Like I have spent a good portion of my life in South Florida. I am ready to start in every outfit outpost in Florida.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we just need a mansion on south beach. Like Gianni Versace. I actually went back to that restaurant just because Tat had never been there. Gianni's the restaurant in the former Versace mansion. Which is kind of like the Craigs or the catch of south beach in terms of the crowd.

[Lauren Garrone]

But, well, it's also not sanctioned by the Versace family and they very much do not like the existence that Johnny Versace's home has been turned into a hotel. Slash tourist restaurant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, the crowd is really, really cheesy. And it was even cheesier when we went because there was a one year old's birthday party and at one point I was eating dinner and like a house remix of Baby Shark played in the entire restaurant and it was all like 1 year olds wearing like Gucci T shirts. Like it was like the most dripped out toddlers I've ever seen in my life. And like just crazy chicks with bbls and like it's wild there. Every man kind of looks like DJ Khaled.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you're giving me an idea, Chelsea. I completely glossed over. The next most significant birthday would be Morty's first birthday. Do we fly to Miami? I'd fly to Miami with a one year old and go balls to the wall at the Versace restaurant. Or Johnny's. They can't actually use Versace, but you know, they can say Johnny's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, and now there's another restaurant called Donatella's. I don't remember if we talked about this on the pod or if we talked about it together, but yes, yet another person is making a Versace themed restaurant.

[Lauren Garrone]

But is it on site there?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's not on site there. But the fucked up thing is that this restaurant came to be because Donatella sold the Versace mansion for. I forget how much it was. It was either like 18 million or 20 million in the year 2000. Then someone else bought it in like 2013 for $40 million. And then it became the restaurant and the hotel and what it is now. But it's kind of insane because it's like, why did they not just keep this in the family? Why is this not a Versace flagship store? I get it. It's fucked up. He was murdered there, but it's also a historical site.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, it's funny that you mention that because that's kind of the story behind. David Lynch's EST compound has recently come up for sale. I believe it's 11 or 15 million.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Dollars in 15 and honestly a bargain.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because it's three homes. I've talked about this before, but I used to live a couple doors down from the David lynch compound. I once, while I was walking my dog, looked up and saw him in the window. But I saw this comment from his eldest daughter, Jennifer lynch, because you would wonder, why not just keep this architecturally significant and highly specific property in the family? And I don't know where this comment came from. It was clearly on Instagram. It must have been commenting on a post about the house being for sale. But she said that they would have loved to keep it in the family. But it was in her father's will very clearly that the house, the houses were to be sold and the profits were to be split amongst all of the children. So that's why they're doing this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's insane though. Sell one of them the Frank Lloyd Wright one, the pink house. When I lived with, you would walk by this house all the time, hoping to catch a glimpse, but also just to stare at it and worship it and imagine what the inside was like. It is more fabulous than I could have imagined. Especially the pool for that house.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Asterix. Yes. David lynch lived in what's called the Beverly Johnson house, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's son, Lloyd Wright.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I'm spreading misinformation about the David lynch beach house.

[Lauren Garrone]

And that pool house was built in 1991. And that was built by Lloyd Wright's son, Eric Lloyd Wright. So Frank Lloyd Wright's grandson designed the pool house in the style of his father.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look at this worthwhile Nepo baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I looked at the Wikipedia for Eric Lloyd Wright. He is an architect in his own right. He's designed some really cool homes in Silver Lake. But a lot of his work has been restoring his grandfather's homes, which is kind of crazy. Like your lineage is just fixing your grandfather's sordid work.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who better?

[Lauren Garrone]

So that's one house and then there's a house next door that seemed to be his production company editing suite. And then the house next to that, for those who've seen the movie Lost highway, that was the exterior of Bill Pullman's house in Lost Highway. That is where I saw David lynch in the window one time. And I believe that's where his artist studio was. If you ever watch that documentary about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

David lynch, that is truly the craziest. Like I've never seen a house like that. That is a private residence and not a cultural institution. And it's sad that it isn't going to become a museum about David Lynch. Although there would be no place for people to park. That's the problem. Like it should be a museum, but where are those people going? Those streets can only accommodate like 20 cars max at any given time.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who are you me talking about? The lack of parking? Yeah, it should be treated like the, the stall house. Where to get on a, a tour van to even get up to the property because there's just no parking.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do you think we could find a way to tour these houses. Like do you know a realtor that might hook us up just for shits and giggles?

[Lauren Garrone]

Friend of the show? Kayla's a realtor now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, Kayla come through. We will never buy these houses, but we deserve to set foot inside them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I did notice no open house available for the David lynch compound. Understandably so I'm going to assume that you didn't win the billion dollar lottery.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, unfortunately.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I guess there goes our chance of buying the David lynch compound and keeping it preserved. I don't know. Hopefully some billionaire will buy it and keep it up. Those are not really homes you would destroy and the property is so unforgiving. It's not like you would develop a McMansion on it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So no.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Outfit Anyway, I think we have something kind of depressing to talk about. Unfortunately.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, you did ask how I was and like between what has gone on in the world the past week or specifically the United States and the fact that my child is going through the four month sleep regression and I haven't experienced a REM Cycle in two weeks. Like I am the glamorous woman having a nervous breakdown right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you're hanging on by a thread, but you look great. I would never know based on looking at you.

[Lauren Garrone]

Thank you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not even giving. Like Miranda in that one episode where she was really overwhelmed with having a baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I didn't want it to feel like. Yeah, that episode where I look super haggard or Miranda's super haggard. And you are the Samantha talking about your John Mandy salon appointment. But, yeah. Spooky times we're living in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we're, of course, referring to Jimmy Kimmel's. Wait, what show was that? It's like the Late Show.

[Lauren Garrone]

The Jimmy Kimmel Live.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Jimmy Kimmel Live. Right. That's what it's called. Not that I watched it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not that any of us watched it, but that's not the point. He was pulled off air for his comments made in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination. And I've seen people be like, I canceled my Disney plus subscription. I canceled my Hulu subscription. That'll teach him. And I don't think that's the problem. Because while ABC made the decision to pull him off the air indefinitely, so he hasn't been canceled, but it doesn't seem like his show will be happening anytime soon. It's because the owners of the television stations that air his show said that they're. They're just not going to put it on air. So, like, what choice did ABC have?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's so crazy because what he said was more dragging MAGA Republicans for using Charlie Kirk's death for political gain and making fun of Trump and his new ballroom that he's adding to the White House. Like, it really was not that bad.

[Lauren Garrone]

But they were waiting for him to say anything. I mean, that's what this is really about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And to be honest, it really scares me. It kept me up last night, actually, because sometimes I have insomnia and I can't sleep and I have racing thoughts about, like, everything bad that could happen in my life slash the world. And it's distressing.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is so bad. I mean, you and I were texting about this last night, and it's. I mean, we're nine months in. There are three more years to go, and this is where we're at. Like, it does feel like because these networks and media organizations are capitulating to Trump again not even a year into his presidency, it really feels like by the end of it, he's just going to call ABC and be like, tell me my hair Looks nice today.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also so annoying because MAGA people are always complaining about how their freedom of speech is being taken away from them just because they want to say slurs on the Internet without anyone coming for them.

[Lauren Garrone]

On the way here, I was listening to a piece from the outlet Semaphore, I think that's what it's called. And the person was talking about how if you ask or no, the person had interviewed Brandon Carr. So we should say that Brandon Carr, the FCC chair, we talked about him a few weeks ago when we were talking about the Paramount merger. One of the big things that pushed this Jimmy Kimmel getting yanked, tanked off air, is the fact that Nextar Media Group, which is the largest owner of local television stations in the United States, they're in the middle of a 6.2 billion dollar merger with a media company called Tegna, and they are seeking to own about 65 more television stations and they need Brandon Carr's approval. So that's sort of the downward reasoning that this happened and ABC really had no choice. And as I was driving in also, I guess Rolling Stone just published a story that ABC executives did not think that what Jimmy Kimmel said was that bad. They just feared retaliation from Trump.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's so scary. And I haven't fact checked this, but I saw people on the Internet talking about the fact that on the episode of the View today, they didn't talk about this, which indicates that they weren't allowed to talk about this.

[Lauren Garrone]

I saw this too, and I can't fact check it either. I meant to ask you, I didn't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have time to watch the View today. Sorry, babes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Spooky, spooky times.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It really is.

[Lauren Garrone]

It feels like a good time to be a subscriber based independent media organization.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, but we're still reliant on so many corporations is the scary thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

That is very true. And ultimately, Jimmy Kimmel will be fine. He makes $15 million a year. The other large conglomerate that owns a bunch of television stations is Sinclair, and they have gone as far as we will only allow Jimmy Kimmel back on air if he apologizes publicly and donates to Charlie Kirk's organization, Turning Point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He barely said anything bad about Charlie Kirk. It's so crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

I believe it's either the night it happened or the day afterwards. He said this was horrible and you know, my thoughts and prayers for his family.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ugh.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, shall we get into the Emmys?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Okay. First of all, I've been wondering this all week. Who the fuck hosted the Emmys It's.

[Lauren Garrone]

A man named Nate Bargazzi. He is a comedian. He's not on our radar, but evidently last year, he was the highest grossing comedian. The best way I could describe him for you, Chelsea, is he's like a comedian for unproblematic suburban dads that enjoy spending their weekends at breweries and, you know, want to tell you about their craft whiskey selection at their home bar.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Respect to those kings.

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel like we say this every award show, but, like, you have to let a woman, a gay man, or Conan o' Brien host.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like, has this man actually ever watched an award show before?

[Lauren Garrone]

Does this man watch tv?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was really bad. And there is basically one joke for the entire night, which was this countdown clock thing that they did to try and get the winners to have short speeches.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I want to discuss this, because this happens every award show. There is some sort of gimmick of how to make the show not run long. And I have to say, this is maybe the most convoluted of any award show gimmick to keep the speeches short.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And the sad thing is that it really, really impacted the speeches, especially in the first half of the show. People just got up there, grabbed their award, and ran off stage, basically.

[Lauren Garrone]

So for those who did not watch the Emmys, it started with $100,000 being dedicated to the Boys and Girls Club. And Naper Gozzi said that for every second a winner went over their allotted time, which was 45 seconds, $1000 would be deducted. However, if anyone went under 45 seconds, $1000 would be added. Very confusing math.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Funny the first time, not funny the 20th time.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think I've talked about this before, but when Conan hosted the Emmys, I think back in 2002, his bit was that he locked Bob Newhart in, like, a hyperbaric chamber that was on stage, and he only had enough oxygen for three hours.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was cute.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, that was funny. I think it was either the Emmys one year or maybe it was even the Oscars, where whoever did the shortest speech won a jet ski. But daring actors to give a short speech where it's like, this might be the only time that I will ever be on stage winning an award. Like I could give a shit. Like, I'll donate $40,000 to the boys and Girls Club. And at the end of the show, I saw, because I went out to dinner for Paul's birthday when the Emmys were going on. But when I came back, I saw at the end of the Emmys, he was like, well, this went so badly that, like, CBS is going to match the donation. And then I'm going to add, I think it was $100,000. Ended up being $300,000, but, like, so many people had done long speeches that, like, actually it was a pathetic amount that was going to be donated to the Boys and Girls Club. So, like, the bit didn't really work.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there were no real stakes to it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Of course not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

However, I will say there were a lot of moments at the Emmys that I really, really loved. First of all, the country western tribute to Golden Girls. It was Reba McEntire, the blonde chick from Little Big Town, and some woman named Karen Fairchild, who I'm completely unfamiliar with. But they sang the theme in, like, a replica of the Golden Girls house. And I thought it was so cute. And I love how the audience got into it, or at the very least, Colin Farrell.

[Lauren Garrone]

Colin Farrell just seems to be a great vibe wherever he goes. He's promoting some movie with Margot Robbie that I will not be seeing, but I saw him cursing on the Today show and it was very cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Seeing the Gilmore Girls reunion, I didn't watch that show religiously. I haven't seen every episode, but I've seen enough episodes to understand that it is a show of quality. And it was cute seeing them back together again. Also, back in the day, when I was an intern at the Chanel PR department in New York, Alexis Bedell came in to be dressed for an event of some sort, and I got to pick her clothes, and she was so nice to me.

[Lauren Garrone]

So there you go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I always love Rory Gilmore for that reason.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would love to know your opinion about another cast reunion, which was the SVU reunion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it wasn't just SVU more broadly, it was a Law and Order reunion, although it was mostly SVU people because it was Mariska Hargitay, Ice T, Christopher Maloney. Then it was S. Apatha Merkerson who was on the original Law and Order. And then it was Tony Goldwyn, brother of our fave Liz Goldwyn, who was on a few episodes of Criminal Intent but is now on the, like, rebooted Law and Order.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, he was on Law and Order, Criminal Intent, playing Vincent d' Onofrio's brother, but he is playing a completely different character. He is not Vincent d' Onofrio's brother from Criminal Intent who's now a DA on regular Law and Order. He is a completely separate human being.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I know this is bad, but I've, like, never watched Law and Order. I've watched Criminal Intent, but never the original series, which is nuts.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do you think it's time to jump in for this reboot?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm down to watch the reboot, but I also feel like I should just watch the original show. But, yeah, there's. There's so many amazing people that have been on all of those shows. But being an SVU fan, I obviously wanted to see Tamara Tierney and BD Wong because they've been on that show for 10,000 years just like everyone else.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, the selection was a little. A little random, but I think anytime Mariska Hargitay and Chris Maloney are together, it makes people very excited.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It needed to be a reunion of the original Law and Order cast, or svu.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was just making sure that Sam Waterston is still alive.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like I will say, when the curtain pulled up and they revealed Mariska in the sequin gown, I screamed like a Jonas Brothers fan.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Yeah, the one that's dead from Law and Order. Sorry, I'm also looking this up, is Jerry Orbach. Do you remember there was those ads in the subway where it was like, I'm Jerry Orbach and I donated my eyes when I died?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, no, but that sounds major.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I'm just making sure that I didn't completely make this up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope you did. I hope your mind is that dark and fucked up.

[Lauren Garrone]

Can I just say one more thing about sleep deprivation? Having a newborn? This has happened to Paul as well, and this is truly something out of a horror film. You hear phantom cries. Chelsea, don't.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

My favorite win of the night was in the best supporting actor in a comedy category. Jeff Hiller from Somebody Somewhere won and I just watched three seasons of that show this month. I'd never seen it before and his performance is truly astounding. It's so funny. It's so human. It is such important representation of a genre of person that I've never seen depicted on television, which is a gay man who lives in a small town who isn't particularly fancy but who is very culturally literate and also very involved in his local church. Like, I know this man.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, it's so great that this show is finally getting its due, except for the fact that they canceled it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know, it's so sad. And these seasons were very short. Like it's a half an hour show. I think there's seven or eight episodes per season, so you could really blow through this in a few days, as I did. But yeah, if you liked the friendship component of Sex and the City, watch this show because it is about it stars Bridget Everett and she plays this straight, chronically single woman who lives in the Midwest who is feeling lost and lonely in midlife. And she meets this group of sort of like gay and trans misfits and is very much a show about chosen family. And the thesis really is our friends are our soulmates. And she's incredible as well and got totally snubbed at the Emmys. But I'm glad at least Jane, Jeff Hiller got recognized for his incredible work.

[Lauren Garrone]

Before we talk about the winners, I did find the ad. Do you not remember this ad in the subways? Jerry Orbach gave his heart and soul to acting and the gift of sight to two New Yorkers and was promoting the I Bank of New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What a Real one. He truly gave us so much. So, yeah, everyone please watch somebody somewhere. It's on our beloved hbo. Max, it's so good. And actually a couple years ago, I was driving down the Sunset Strip and there was a billboard for somebody somewhere, like above the Chateau Marmont. And I saw that Bridget Everett was like on the street taking a photo in front of it. So I rolled down the window and I screamed like, bridget, I fucking love you. And she turned around and waved. And I'm glad that I was able to show her some love during such an iconic moment in her career. Also, for anyone that needs context, this is the woman that played the drunk bitch that Carrie Bradshaw interviewed at Starbucks before she found Louise to be her assistant.

[Lauren Garrone]

Should have hired her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What else?

[Lauren Garrone]

I think the most viral speech of the evening would be Hannah Einbinder, where she declared, go Birds. Fuck ice and free Palestine. Which I really commend Hannah Einbinder for speaking so bravely about her love of the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I was like, go Birds. What is this bitch talking about?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I'm pretty sure she was raised in Los Angeles. I'm like, how are you a Philadelphia Eagles fan? Your mother created the Groundlings, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is bizarre. This was her first win, whereas Jean Smart, this was her fourth win for playing the iconic character of Deborah Vance. This is now becoming a Julia Louis Dreyfus, Candice Bergen type situation where I think she is just going to win for as long as this show is on the air. But Hannah Einbinder, it takes two to tango. She deserved this for sure, especially for the last season.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think her delivery of the word Bronzino during her epic meltdown last season is what won it for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The meltdown was great, but also she did some great dramatic work. You really felt the pain that her character felt for being slighted and betrayed by Deborah in this past season.

[Lauren Garrone]

Jimmy Kimmel was in the last season of Hacks. And I mean, the. The ending of Hacks is a sort of similar standing on principle and not bowing to corporate overlords for one's late night show. Another speech I found funny was the kid from adolescence who won.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ugh, so charming.

[Lauren Garrone]

So charming, but also so precocious. Because at one point wasn't he like, don't give up on your dreams. Look at where I was just a few years ago. I was a nobody. It's like, Buddy, you were 12.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's like, buddy, you're five years old and you just won an Emmy. But I'm so glad that Adolescents won. But there was kind of no Other option. Right. Because you look at every category where Adolescence was nominated and as good as some of the other performances and the other shows were, what could you do to compete with that? Really? It was just so brilliant and so smart and so affecting to everyone that watched that show. It was really nice to see him win and the dad win also. Ted Danson, Mary Steenburgen winning the humanitarian award.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, who knew there was a Bob Hope humanitarian award associated with the Emmys? I don't seem to remember this in previous years, do you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't remember it either. Although surely Jane Fonda must have received it already. They are such real ones. I've seen both of them at protests over the years, although I couldn't really focus on any of their humanitarian work because when I see ted Danson, a 77 year old man, I just like, I'm honestly, I'm struck by his beauty and his elegance. I know I've said this before, but I really think that this man is like just the ideal kind of for men. And I don't understand why the fashion has put Jeff Goldblum on a pedestal and Kyle McLaughlin on a pedestal, but not Ted Danson. Because I feel like he is on par with both of them, if not more fab.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're asking where is Ted Danson's Prada campaign?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, Prada. Saint Laurent could also work for Ted Danson.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, I could see him in a moody black and white pictorial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They love a man of a certain age with white hair. Plus the thinness of Ted Danson. Like, it's just so dramatic looking to have a suit tailored to that tall, thin, perfect body.

[Lauren Garrone]

I really can't understand if like Tom Selleck, like, you want to fuck Ted Danson or you want to be Ted Danson.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I really do think it's like these are just beauty ideals I think that I have for men and for Ted Danson for men aging specifically. Not that Tom Selleck isn't still hot. Steve Guttenberg. I'm not hitting that. I don't care.

[Lauren Garrone]

We applaud his efforts during the Palisades fire, but we do. Do you know this about Mary Steenburgen? That she had brain surgery and it rewired her brain that she can now write songs and she's a song. She's been an uncredited songwriter on like a bunch of award winning songs or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's amazing. I hope she collabs with Rita Wilson at some point in the near future.

[Lauren Garrone]

I know that you dipped out of the studio, but I was excited to see how many awards it won. Although it does feel inevitable when you do a show about Hollywood. Hollywood, of course, can't help but award you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I need to continue with this studio. I do. I had my criticisms, but I also see what's good about it, and I can see myself getting into it. And you know, Catherine o', Hara, obviously.

[Lauren Garrone]

Genius Catherine o'. Hara. I think we talked about this when we talked about the studio. In my mind, the second time, she's playing a version of Amy Pascal, because when she was on Six Feet Under. Yeah, she's very clearly a version of former Sony studio head Amy Pascal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we get into some of the fashion?

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So who were your best dressed?

[Lauren Garrone]

I really love Jenna Ortega in Givenchy. I think she's coming off of a promotional run for the new season of Wednesday, which I heard all of you guys. I will give it a watch. But I think the work she's been doing with her stylist, Enrique Melendez, has been incredible. This sort of goth Persona that feels like it's been invented out of thin air, but I. I dig it. Anyone that wants to adopt a goth fashion Persona, especially a celebrity, I'm here for it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it makes sense that she's doing it for Wednesday. I think that this piece, the top that she wears, I think is the standout piece from that Sarah Burton Givenchy collection. Although I feel like her glam was, like, really fucked or just maybe a little extreme for the Emmys, maybe a little more VMAs.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's definitely in line with the glam that she's been doing. I would say a Gabriette style of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Glam, but, see, you can't apply, like, a Gabriette style of glam to just like, any. Anyone, any person.

[Lauren Garrone]

And especially for the Emmys, like, Emmys is a very mass suburban award show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, who else did you like?

[Lauren Garrone]

Anytime Colman Domingo is anywhere on the red carpet, especially when he's wearing Valentino, I think he is the perfect muse for Alessandro Michelli's vision. He was in a pale blue checkered jacket with what looked to be, like, fringe crystal embellishments. He had a polka dot mandarin collar shirt and brown trousers. Brown was big. Blue and brown were big for men on the red carpet. Although I didn't love Seth Rogen's brown suit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's nothing better than the combination of, like, a light sky blue and a chocolate brown, which I don't know what Prada collection in the early 90s introduced that to me, but it was very influential to me as a 8th grade wet seal shopper, I'll tell you that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who are your faves?

[Chelsea Fairless]

My favorites. Chloe Sevigny, obviously, in ysl. Great gown, great jewelry. She's never looked bad at an award show in her life. I also really loved John Griese in a beige Jacques mousse suit that didn't have a lapel. It felt very Armani esque. And I feel like that was a nice level of formality for the Emmy because it's not the Oscars. You know what I mean? We don't need to go crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, we don't need to go white tux.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Loved Owen Cooper, the kid from adolescence in Gap. Yes. Gap fully copied Prada, who I first assumed made this look. And I hope they actually manufacture that jacket because I think that your average Joe could wear it and look really fab.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think they will. They've been doing a lot of smart stuff. I would assume that that would come through their Gap Studio collection, which a lot of the stuff you're seeing on the red carpet, if it's Gap, is through Gap Studio.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also maybe the best dressed of all. Gwendoline Christie in Tom Ford by Heder Ackerman. I'm giving this woman the Diane Keaton Award for white pantsuit excellence. But again, I think this is the correct level of formality. I think that it still to this day is aversive to be a woman that wears a suit to an award show instead of a big poofy gown. I think that she looked chic and perfect. And if I went to the Emmys, I would like to hope I looked even a little bit like her. I'd be trying to look like her now.

[Lauren Garrone]

She looked great in a white tux. But you know who's on my worst dress wearing a white tux is Pedro Pascal in Celine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. He didn't look bad, though. Maybe it's, like, boring.

[Lauren Garrone]

There was something off in the proportions, and I can't figure it out because the shoulders are exaggerated, which would be fine, and the waist is very, like, close to his body. I don't. There's something off. Like the pants are a little too short. Or maybe it's the white shoes he's wearing. There's something off about this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's interesting because he's recently left the stylist that he's had recently, the one that was, like, quite cool and putting him in all these very high fashion, often controversial looks. And now he's got away from that and is dressing like this not good?

[Lauren Garrone]

That's all I have to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't think it's. It's good either. He's so hot. He can wear anything. But, like, I don't think this did a lot, certainly.

[Lauren Garrone]

What about you? Who were your worst dress?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hate to say this, but Christopher Maloney.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was biting my tongue because I know how you feel about him, but. Yes, let's discuss the suit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

John Varvatos did him dirty.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, ja. Vervatos is a plague on men of a certain age that wanna look quote unquote, cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was some sort of like, nightmare. Jacquard. I think it was navy blue. The tailoring was really outdated. The leg was really skinny. And he's like a big, muscly guy. It looks like something that the Rock would have worn like 10 years ago. And I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but, like, it made him look gay.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, this is what I was going to say. There is about super jacked men. They love to dress like this. The Oppenheim brothers dress like this. It is, like, too tight, overly patterned. Like, if anyone should be rocking a blousy pant and a button down that has several buttons undone, it's Christopher Maloney.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. And it's not even that I don't want him to look gay. But this isn't gay in a cool. Like Interview magazine photographed me in a crop top top way.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is gay in, like, a sad way.

[Lauren Garrone]

I did send you. Christopher Maloney recently did a tour of his home in New York for Architectural Digest. And I feel like, oh, fuck, I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Forgot to watch it.

[Lauren Garrone]

The home is a reflection, Chelsea, of his style. It is maximalist. Not in a good way. There are a lot of clear sliding doors. It's confused.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, a lot of straight men shouldn't decorate. Lenny Kravitz, Walton Goggins, sure, let them do their thing. But Christopher Maloney, I don't know. I'd be a little scared to see the house if this is how he's dressing at the Emmys. But that said, it's like, he looked so hot. Like, his face, his body, his vibe, like, incredible.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sorry, does Christopher Maloney go above Tom Selleck in your hall pass?

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know what we need to do the Every Outfit Sexiest Men Alive special. Once we have the studio, we'll each pick, like, five guys that we think are really hot and will justify our choices.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, caveat. I think you should only pick straight men and I should only pick gay men.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah. Who are your worst dressed?

[Lauren Garrone]

I did not care for Sydney Sweeney and Oscar de la Renta. It was a red vava voom plunging sweetheart neckline.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was just boring. Like, she looked beautiful, but it was like. Like we've seen it a thousand times.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, to your point about the Emmys, like, there is something a little more mainstream of all the award shows. Like, you don't need to do a full look, but like, you also don't need to do this old school glamour for the Emmys.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. She could do something a little less formal, a little more modern, I think.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, isn't she the face of Mew Mew?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, true. Why are you wearing Oscar de la Renta? That's very much like, oh, I have a fridge of leftovers from Mr. Chow, but I'm just going to eat like a stale cold ranch Dorito chip.

[Lauren Garrone]

Another person in a unfortunate sweetheart neckline. And I hate to say it was Carrie Coon who debuted a pixie haircut. It was. She was wearing Chanel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The hair was great.

[Lauren Garrone]

The hair was great. It needed a cool, minimalist, like, column dress or something. Not a kind of of the way that Chanel does their version of a 1950s prom dress is what it looked like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I don't think the tea length was good. Again, not to say that you have to dress super formally for the Emmys, but I think it, it just didn't feel modern, whereas the hair felt quite modern. And the hair was like, there's nothing better than a new haircut reveal on the red carpet. And I feel like this could have had a lot more impact. Like, if she was dressed like Gwendoline Christie, it would have been all over. We would have been like, oh, this bitch is the new Tilda Swinton.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do you want to talk about Megan Staltler? Am I now saying her last name correctly?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I honestly don't know.

[Lauren Garrone]

They're like, it's not Meg Statler, it's Stalter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's funny because I don't think she was the worst dressed, but she was going for worst dressed as a strategy. And she wore a white T shirt and jeans in a very practical looking black tote bag that had ceasefire written on it on a piece of tape. Honestly, if Joan Rivers had lived to see this, it would have killed her.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know. I think Joan would have gotten the joke. I mean, it is a bit that she's dressing very casually for an award show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. When someone asks her, who are you wearing? And you're saying Hanes and Levi's, that's objectively hilarious. But. But this look is also saying because of the ceasefire thing, that it's like, we have bigger issues to focus on right now than celebrities wearing these extravagant gowns. But at the same time, because she was so casual, it was also a bit that she was doing for comedic effect. So there's a bit of a contradiction there.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think if you asked her, she would want to be on the worst dress list.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure. I love her. She certainly made the red carpet a lot more exciting. Read.

[Lauren Garrone]

So is that all we have to say about the Emmys?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so.

[Lauren Garrone]

Before we get into New York Fashion Week, can I tell you about some Tick Tock fashion drama that's going on?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

So there is an influencer named Wisdom K. He's a model as well as a fashion influencer. He has a huge following on social media. He has 7.6 million tick tock followers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but was he a model first? Like, is he a very successful model, or is he more like.

[Lauren Garrone]

Like, he got an IMG contract after.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, exactly.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do not know. He started to appear on my. For your page with these videos where it's like, I was gone for a week and look at all the stuff that I ordered. I should say he is an unrepentant shopaholic. And I assume because of his popularity, he's got the money to back up this shopping habit. I was starting to see these videos where it's like, I was gone for a week and let's unbox all the stuff I ordered. And it would be like two stories high, a box of. So he recently did a video where he came back from shopping at Miu Miu. He lives in New York where they.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have a Miu Miu store, unlike Los Angeles.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although, thank you to everyone that sent us a Los Angeles Times article from 1999 that was like, you used to have a Miu Miu store?

[Chelsea Fairless]

We did. You know who has a Mew Mew store? Miami.

[Lauren Garrone]

So you know who probably has a Mew Mew store as well? Orange County. Like, the correct store. He's very transparent. He bought $18,000 worth of clothes at Miu Miu. He's discussing the fact he bought a cardigan and he unzipped it and the zipper fell off. And he was like, I'm not. I wasn't gonna say anything, but he's like. Then I started to unbutton this denim vest I got and the button fell off. This video got millions of views. Of course, it was on Mew Mew's radar. So they Sent him replacement items. Like, good PR move. Great, great. He then films himself unboxing the items again. And he goes, it's not gonna happen again. But I'm filming it just in case it does. Chelsea. The zipper stayed on this time. The button fell off of the denim vest again. And I think there's no better example of the state of luxury fashion than this, which is everything is way more expensive and the quality is way worse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's true. And now these motherfuckers have the audacity to sell us these. These jelly sandals, $500. The row is making $800 flip flops that are just foam.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I mean, sneakers are $1,200.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's disgusting. Sunglasses are $500. I hate these people. They're bastard people. As what's his face said in waiting for Guffman.

[Lauren Garrone]

And yet we'll keep buying.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's one thing to invest in, like, a nice handbag or something, but I never buy anything full price. I'd rather buy luxury items from the past that were actually well made than deal with that shit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Honestly. I would rather either buy vintage or support newer, younger designers, which is my way of segueing to New York Fashion Week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So New York Fashion Week was last week. There were a handful of strong collections and a lot of really bad collections. But one thing I love about New York designers is that they are not above a Runway gimmick. And every single year, there are certain designers that do something insane to draw attention to their brand. And this year, we got some real gems, starting with the fact that Andrew Cuomo modeled in the second annual Style across the Aisle event, which was billed as a bipartisan fashion show. And I have to give them props for that name, because Style across the Aisle is a great name for this.

[Lauren Garrone]

It feels like an event that Sam Jones would have done the PR for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. And it was all for a good cause. It benefited an organization called Witness to Mass Incarceration, which is a nonprofit that supports formerly incarcerated people.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, it does feel crazy that several mayoral candidates were walking in a fashion show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, and David Patterson, who was the former governor of New York, also modeled in that show. But Andrew Cuomo really stole the spotlight with the way he was modeling the lining of the jacket that he was given.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I would say don't. He shouldn't quit his day job, but I don't know if he should have either job model nor mayor of New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but the question is, who should Zeran model for?

[Lauren Garrone]

Who should zahran Mandani model for. He's too classy for that. He's too smart. He was. He wouldn't get sitting in the audience. I don't think he would model for anyone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I definitely don't think he would model for anyone. But if he did, I do think he would kill it at Eckhouse, Lada or Loire. Like, it would have to be a small, independent brand. He couldn't do a big corporate brand like Michael Kors or Ralph Lauren, even though that would be fab and cool if brands like that would co sign on him. But never gonna happen.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, do you think he was asked to walk in the second annual Style across the Aisle event and he declined?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Probably. Hey, they said it was bipartisan, right? Speaking of other Runway gimmicks, Susan Alexandra and Rachel Antonoff held another joint fashion show they did this last season. Also, that was basically a dog show where models walk down the Runway with dogs that were available for adoption. It was very cute. And by models, I mean personalities, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, it's hard to wonder why designers like the Row have left New York to go to Paris with all of these gimmicks. But I will say that there were a couple of shows that did do a Runway gimmick that reminded me more of Imitation of Christ. Like, it was more performance art than that Runway gimmick.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Performance art. Sponsored by Milkbone. Milk Bone sponsored this show. And that is the funniest corporate sponsor in history.

[Lauren Garrone]

Another Runway gimmick that has confounded me was the raising Cane's fashion show, which happened at the standard High Line. I'll put fashion show in quotes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's a fashion show to raise awareness about eating chicken tenders, which I support, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

And there are many looks inspired by the chicken chain. I mean, it was designed by a man named Joe Ando Hirsch. A quick Google search tells me that he's a Japanese American fashion designer, actor, and Chelsea, can you believe it? Content creator who rose to fame on TikTok. And I guess he's known for his viral catchphrase, can I make you a dress? And this man made many addresses that look like chicken fingers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. This collection included a beaded velvet gown that Raising Canes described as evoking a quote, unquote, the look and feel of a chicken finger being dipped into cane sauce. It's so funny. And this is why the fashion industry deserves its own satirical comedy series like the Studio, because you can't make this shit up. But what I will say is there needed to be more Chicken fingers on the Runway. Like, I want the model to come down with a platter of chicken fingers and then just toss them into the audience.

[Lauren Garrone]

This sounds like a fantasy of yours because it feels like you want to be in the audience catching the chicken fingers to then eat them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I am not above that one gimmick that I really liked. I don't even know if it was a gimmick. It was maybe a gimmick in the format of the fashion show, but from a design standpoint, I thought it was really brilliant. Which was the Cleen Estrada show, where for every look, there were two models and they showed the same exact garment or garments in full color and in black. And I don't know if anyone has attempted this before, but I thought it was so genius because it really shows you what color does and also what the absence of color does.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And it was, you know, this idea of twin flame or, you know, you and your shadow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And for me, Colleen Estrada, the color palette is too wild for me personally, so I enjoyed seeing the clothes in black because that's closer to something that I could actually buy or would wear. But I feel like this is also useful from the standpoint of the buyers.

[Lauren Garrone]

So it's sort of Kalina Estrada night mode and day mode. When we're talking about Runway gimmicks. I really do think it does reveal the state of American fashion right now, where I mean, we're saying Runway gimmick, but basically, a lot of these shows were spawn, consistent, and I think most brilliantly done by Tanner Fletcher.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Their show was sponsored by Etsy Respect. As two people that have also done spawn for Etsy, a company that I genuinely loved. I thought this was a genius gimmick because the models came out of the back of a moving truck, and they were all holding different homewares from Etsy, and they slowly, like, like, decorated the room that they were in or the space that the fashion show was held in.

[Lauren Garrone]

That especially felt like an old school imitation of Christ show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. And they also did a collaboration, like, they. They made, like, I think, five different products in collaboration with different Etsy sellers.

[Lauren Garrone]

As well, which are available to purchase now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I thought it was really, really smart in the scheme of spawn, like, as well executed as you can do.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, because it's genuine spawn. Like, they're not only shilling for Etsy, which probably, you know, underwrote a good portion of their Runway show. How they were able to do a Runway show at New York Fashion Week, probably, but then co designing Actual objects that you could purchase in the moment, I also think is great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good for them. In other New York Fashion Week news, Gwyneth Paltrow has a new line called Gwen, spelled G, W, Y, N. Great name. To think that that's what Goop could have been called.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, it's the first part of her name.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The first part of her name. But it is replacing G Label, which is Goop's previous fashion line, which is great. Although I feel like this should be explained to the consumer more explicitly. Like a bit of a digression, but did you ever go to Moby's Tea Shop in the Lower east side?

[Lauren Garrone]

Why, yes, Chelsea, I did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do you remember there was a giant framed poster in there that was, like, from, like, it was promoting a New Order concert, and it just said New Order were Joy Division. I feel like, similarly, we need something for Gwen that's like, Gwen was G Label.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, do we. Because I'm very confused about this rebrand because it looks exactly like her previous clothing line, just with a new name.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's better branding. The branding is better. But yes, I agree, the clothes look identical. It's maybe it's a little more high fashion. Guinevere Van Cenas, who I absolutely adore, was the model in the Lookbook. And there's a look where she's wearing, like, a white men's shirt and a straight tie and a pair of trousers that feels a bit more Saint Laurent high fashion than this sort of like, woman at Brentwood Country Mart vibe that G Label has been serving.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, but it's not fashion enough. Enough to make it different enough.

[Lauren Garrone]

There are things that I will just call a very Gwyneth Paltrow silhouette. Like, there's one skirt. It's a mid calf skirt that looks like a pair of pants on top and then is a pleated skirt at the bottom. And that feels very Gwyneth Paltrow. I don't know who else but her would look good in that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure there's someone, but I would really like to see. Not that I want another one of these brands, but I would like to see her do something a little more interesting to necessitate a full rebrand like this.

[Lauren Garrone]

The new design director is a woman named Sophia Manasse, who was formerly at the Row and Margiela.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How many former Row employees are there?

[Lauren Garrone]

They're endless.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, pretty soon it's gonna be like, we've hired someone that interned at the Row for three months simply because everyone else has been post Poached by a bigger brand.

[Lauren Garrone]

Before we move on, I discovered something truly shocking. Chelsea, did you know that our beloved Goop Kitchen is a licensing deal?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Wait, what do you mean?

[Lauren Garrone]

Meaning that Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop brand licensed the name Goop. She has nothing to do with it other than promotion and licensing the Goop name.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, she had nothing to do with the creation of the recipes at Goop Kitchen? As a. A successful cookbook author herself, yes. That's crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, this was evidently revealed in the Amy Odell Gwyneth book that we need to read.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you know what? At least they created something of quality. The fact that we would never know that Gwyneth Paltrow wasn't personally doing all these recipe tastings I think is a testament to what they did. So good on them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although we should have known, because the lack of brick and mortar locations and the fact that Goop Kitchens are exclusively ghost kitchens, which, by the way, we're down the block. Block from a Goop Kitchen. Ghost Kitchen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I never want to be that far away from a Goop Kitchen. Ghost Kitchen. Personally.

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[Lauren Garrone]

Shall we talk about maybe the worst show of New York Fashion Week?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It wasn't the Cane's chicken show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Raising canes. No, that was finger licking good chow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Think you're mixing your chicken shops up?

[Lauren Garrone]

And yet Chicken Shop Girl didn't model in the Raising King fashion show. Lost opportunity.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are you talking about Calvin Klein?

[Lauren Garrone]

I am.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I didn't think it was the worst. But it did nothing for me. And it was Veronica Leone's second collection for the brand. Broadly speaking. I do think that we should give designers time to settle into a new job and reshape the brand. But. But there's nothing about this show that feels authoritative to me because I've seen so many of these ideas from other designers over the course of the past, like five, 10 years. The combination of the kerchiefs and the mini dresses that reminded me of Mark Jacobs, the pom poms that reminded me of Bottega. But also what Raph was doing at Calvin.

[Lauren Garrone]

The bathrobes as dresses felt like Balenciaga. The crinkly dresses felt very Prada.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

The.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The using the Calvin Klein waistband also felt very Balenciaga. And the. The keys hanging off of pants and handbags. We've seen that from Willy Chavarria. We've also seen that from Balenciaga. It's like everything there. I have seen those weird see through.

[Lauren Garrone]

Calvin Klein long John tights. That was all their own. I'll give them that. I'm not sure what that was, but at least that was original look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I will say I liked the apron dresses. I thought that they were really chic and I love the branding, which, MM Paris did and I think is completely correct for Calvin Klein in the year of our Lord 2025. But I don't know, it just. It. It's sad when this should be the biggest show in New York, but it feels like a lot of these younger designers that are influenced by Calvin Klein are like, beating them at their own game game. Like the form show, specifically. I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. It's two Fs, O, R, M E. And that to me felt way more Calvin.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I mean, not to. Not to get into nerd, but there was that anime film, Ghost in the Shell, 80s or 90s, and so many movies ripped that anime off, specifically the Matrix, that when they then made a live action version of Ghost in the Shell, everyone was like, we've seen this before. We've seen in the Matrix. And it's like, no, the Matrix was ripping that off. That's what this Calvin Klein thing feels like is like they were the Rosetta Stone of American minimalist style. Everyone is just doing it better than them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And now they're doing just anything that they think could be popular based on things that other designers have done recently.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, The. The collection, maybe not the worst collection of New York Fashion Week. It certainly was the Most incoherent.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I wouldn't be so harsh about it, but again, just. Just given the resources that Calvin Klein has and what a big brand it is and how important it is to the New York fashion industry, it's just disappointing to me. Also, I said this to you, but Rachel Tashtian wrote an excellent article for the Washington Post this week called When Did Fashion Week get so Boring? I will link to it in the show notes. And she makes a very valid point, which is that so many American fashion designers are pandering to a very specific kind of woman, a wealthy woman that loves Carolyn Bessette and Tina Chow, and she's shopping at the Row and Lemaire and Totem, and she's getting into ceramics. And Rachel's being like, but wait, actually, how many women in the world are actually like this? I only know two of them, and one of them is literally Amanda Brooks, who is name checked in this article.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. At this point, it does seem like there are more designers and labels than. Than shoppers potentially for any of this kind of clothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It just is starting to feel really boring. And of course, like, those women look great. Fashion that looks like this looks great. But surely someone has another idea. Even Phoebe Filo, who's been so instrumental to this look, actually makes clothes that are a lot more interesting and subversive and cheeky and funny.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think this goes hand in hand with the Wisdom K thing, with the Miu Miu, where everything's breaking as soon as he buys it. Because I believe Rachel makes the point that not only do you have so many high fashion labels designing stuff like this, then you have Kaas and Zara also designing stuff like this. And as we've noted in, if the luxury product is the same quality as a Zara level, then why buy the luxury brand? Yeah, especially because a majority of these women, you know, we've talked about the rolification of certain celebrities style personalities. Like, it's all ephemeral. Like, most of these women will cycle into and trend into whatever the next style Persona that is hip in a couple of years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I feel like the only women who are actually like this, like celebrities, like it is Uma Thurman, who's consistently been that bitch, at least on the red carpet. I don't know how she dresses day to day.

[Lauren Garrone]

The other thing I enjoyed about this article, which is quite gossipy, is the fact that Rachel talks about how she was not invited to the Kate show this season because she gave them a bad review the previous season. Or at least that's why she believes she wasn't invited to the fashion show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, designers do that. You know, they often retaliate against journalists, which sucks, because I feel like people should be able to take it, you know? And Kate has made really beautiful clothes. But I don't know. This last collection, there was a lot of looks that I was like, did you need to do that? Who wants to look like that? Who is that for?

[Lauren Garrone]

Like, you're like, this fashion show could have used.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is what Kate needs is a platter of raising cane's chicken tenders.

[Lauren Garrone]

Raising cane's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I want to see Kate Holstein make a dress that evokes the sensation of a chicken finger being dipped into cane sauce.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Other fashion shows, I. As much as we talk shit about New York Fashion Week, I think it's not because we're haters. I think it's maybe because we grew up in a time when it was a bit more relevant. But which is not to say that there aren't amazing people doing amazing collections. One collection I really, really loved this season was the Lee collection. I hope that's how it's pronounced. The brand is spelled L I. I. It's designed by a guy named Zane Lee, who recently graduated from fit, and he's released four lookbooks in the past. You can look at them on Vogue Runway. This is his first Runway show, and I thought it was so sporty and chic and like. Like the right amount of avant garde. Like, he's deconstructing a parka and turning it into a cocktail dress. But it's not so conceptual that it's unwearable.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And a lot of interesting layering as well, which feels like a comment on the current over minimalization of American style.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I really liked the first few looks. I'm not sure if it was, like, one garment made to look like several garments that were layered or if it was was just styling. But it looked really amazing. And the collection before this, which I didn't see, I only just looked at the lookbook, was so good. It was like a lot of just amazing faux fur pieces. And he has a website. You can buy the clothes, and it's not crazy. It's like you could buy a dress for $600 or just an incredible, like, the most expensive, like, Prada looking, dries looking scratch for 500 bucks, which I get is a lot of money. But in the scheme of luxury, fashion is at least attempting to appeal to a slightly more frugal consumer, I suppose.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, it's not Kate money.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. It's not sixteen hundred dollars for a kitten heel Chelsea boot or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think he's really talented, and I think this is. This is an encouraging thing for New York Fashion world Week.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, it also feels like how actual New Yorkers dress. Like, I felt the same way when I saw the Eck House Lada, and the Rachel Comey show as well. Like, they felt of the moment, not this idealized idea of some Tribeca Pilates mom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, echoslata. They're consistently great, but I feel like there was a real ease and elegance to the show that it reminds me of Helmut Lang. And I feel. I feel like the jeans, the little black dresses, these are things that could appeal to the Kate Rowe person. But then there's also stuff that appeals to this sort of downtown New York, like, young person that wants to wear something that's a little more subversive. And I'm also happy that they're getting into handbags in a real way now, which feels long overdue for them. And, yeah, Rachel Comey, again, we have to salute these independently owned brands that have had real longevity in the New York fashion industry. And Rachel Comey, also, I loved that the. The models did their own hair and makeup. Like, they cast people that looked really fab. Like, no one looked like it wasn't one of those shows where it's like it's all real people, but everyone, like, kind of looks like. It's like they all look amazing. They all just look like. Like, you know when you're walking around New York and you're in Tribeca and you look over and there's some, like, woman of a certain age with just the perfect haircut and the perfect blazer, the perfect handbag, and you're just like, holy fuck.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, I didn't know how to take that. I read that in the Vogue Runway review of the Rachel Comey show, and, like, yes, you can take it in the way you're taking it of, like, thank God none of this pomp and circumstance. Or you could take it as putting on a fashion show is really expensive. And, like, how do we maybe cut corners? Because coming from, like, the filmmaking world, it feels like being on an indie film, and it's like, hey, could you come? Like, hair and makeup ready for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But to be fair, everyone that was cast in the show did tasteful hair and makeup. Like, no one was trying to give themselves, like, a Jeffree star beat before modeling in this show. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Garrone]

But I Would have loved to have seen it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Rachel Scott made her debut at Parenza Schooler.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Kind of.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't really care to talk about the collection. I more wanted to talk about this tidbit again. I read in Vogue Runway, which was. She was named the creative director last week, the week before the collection debuted, so it's really hard to say how much of a hand she had in designing the collection.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Rachel Scott has a line called Diotima. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. That they've released several lookbooks. This season was actually their first Runway presentation, which was quite beautiful, I thought. But she's known for crochet pieces and knits and slinky, sexy clothes.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I suppose you saw that influence in the Parenza collection. Like, if Parenza before was giving soho, this is giving more like Bushwick or Ridgewood.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it was. I was really, like, Dreezy a lot of the Proenza show. More so than usual, like, some. And I really liked a lot of the prints. There was this digital floral print of distorted floral print that appeared on several pieces that I thought was gorgeous, but sure, why not? I'm excited to see what happens when she takes full control, because it's kind of hard to understand who did what with this particular show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. What else?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if we've ever talked about her before, but I really, really like Sandy Liang.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love Sandy Liang as well. I'm not a Sandy Liang, Girly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You should be, though, because I feel like you have the, like, body for it. Like, you could wear, like, a little satin miniskirt and a matching boxy satin jacket. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, thank you. I mean, this collection was very fun. It felt like Romy and Michelle would have designed for their store.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. There's so many disparate influences in the show. There's stuff that felt very comb. There's stuff that felt like 80s un garo. There was a Wizard of Oz reference, certainly. Or at least I don't think white and blue gingham can really connote anything other than Dorothy at the this point.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right, right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And was also giving, like, San Rio, you know, there was all of these, like, cartoon cat prints that looked Japanese.

[Lauren Garrone]

Per our previous conversation about just how every label kind of looks like every other label, I do find myself being pulled more towards the surreal and irreverent, like a Viera and, like, Sandy Liang. Like, towards the end of the show, there was this mini dress that was just like, A white. Looked like a white shirt dress, but then it had frilly underwear attached all over it, as if you had, like, pulled it out of the dryer and the underwear got stuck due to static cling or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that. Yeah, that felt very calm. And Vacara, certainly, but I don't know, I feel like she's someone that has built a real cult following. She has a very cute store in Dime Square Area. I think the accessories are really good. And like I said, I think there's an audience for this and I think there's people that want to dress like this. And I really like what she does, although I feel like I've aged out of most of it. Maybe I could get one of those little mini duffel handbags or like one of the maxi dresses that, you know, looks kind of vaguely like, again, Laura Ashley meets Sanrio or something. But. But I don't know.

[Lauren Garrone]

We'll see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We'll see what actually makes it into the stores.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also think something that she does very smartly speaking to what we were talking about last week of, like, how I miss diffusion lines or at least what Marc Jacobs was doing in the 2000s. Like, she does offer products at every price point. You know, if you can't afford a $600 polar fleece jumper, there's a phone case or a key charm or a.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Baby tea or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, speaking of girly designers, can we talk about love shack? Fancy?

[Lauren Garrone]

Not a brand I thought we would ever discuss on the podcast, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, no, but I feel like it's time because it actually is quite a successful brand. They have a store here in la. To me, I mean, this is like clothing for women who use the hashtag rose all day and have gender reveal parties. Like, it. It makes me phobic of, like, a certain genre of heterosexual woman to even look at this.

[Lauren Garrone]

It does feel like. And I don't know the history of this brand, but it does look like an American woman saw Australian fashion was like, I get it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's. It's touching upon. Like, these clothes have, like, a western quality that's kind of very, you know, Ralph Lauren. Y. But also, yes, this sort of. This kind of romanticism that I associate with. With Zimmerman, which is an Australian brand, and Chloe, although I think those brands are doing it in a much more tasteful way. This is like. This is the sort of thing that you might see, like, Britney Spears wearing one of these in, like, one of her videos, you know, which would honestly make it look cooler.

[Lauren Garrone]

Britney Spears dancing in the bathroom of a restaurant in Love Shack Fancy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's the name also. How do you arrive at that?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I'm. I'm sure she's done many articles and.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We haven't bothered to do the research, so.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's all one word. Word too. And Love, Shaq and fancy are capitalized, but it's all one word.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's really, really bad. And I honestly feel bad for anyone that had to, like, go to the show or report on it or, you know, think about it or. It's. It's literally. It's like the fashion equivalent of. I'm sorry to go on and on, but like, these cheesy restaurants in LA, the ones that Chloe70 hates, that have like, roses, fake roses in Bougainville and stuff like on the facade.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I believe Love Shack Fancy is on the same block that a lot of those types of restaurants are, which is Melrose Place.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's Melrose Place.

[Lauren Garrone]

Couldn't have a mew mew. Used to have a mew mew on Melrose. No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All we get is Love Shack Fancy. Fuck my life.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is like when the new world order takes over and we all are made into Stepford Wives. We will be dressed in Love Shack Fancy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, to be fair, on Melrose Place, the Chloe store and the Zimmerman store are both on that block. And love Shaq family Fancy. So when you can't afford Chloe or. Well, it's still expensive.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's the thing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not even expensive. It's significantly less expensive than Chloe. It is less expensive than Zimmerman. Certainly Zimmerman. You go into Zimmerman, it's like the dress is like $1,500 and you're like.

[Lauren Garrone]

What I thought you were gonna say, because they're all on the same block. If there's like a turf war, if it's like the Sharks and the Jets.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Since we're talking about girly designers, I feel like we should also acknowledge Anna Sui, a longtime devotee of the Babydoll look. See, this is someone that does boho in a way that doesn't shock or horrify me. It's not clothes that I would personally wear, but I respect this woman's consistency and her razor sharp understanding of what she does, who she is as a designer, and who she's designing for. For.

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. I don't think I've ever met an Anna Sui girl, but I'm glad it exists.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I bought your son an Anna Sui something from an Essence sale. I don't remember. What is it?

[Lauren Garrone]

The little Furry shorts sounds like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Could be that. I don't know. Anyway, speaking of which, there's also a new Anna Sui book that just came out that is solely focused on her work in the 90s. I think it's called Anna the 90s, which is a genre of book that is happening now. Like there's a Pamela Hansen 90s book that just came out. There's. We're all about the 90s. But I can't wait to get this book. It has Sofia Coppola and Zoe Cassavetes on the COVID And you know, I already have a couple of Anna Sui books. So what's one more? I'm ready. Is that it for New York Fashion Week?

[Lauren Garrone]

I think so. Do we want to get into the other coffee table book we're probably going to buy, which is Sofia Coppola as Chanel Haute Couture book?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I did buy it. It has come out. It just. I have not, it has not come to my house yet. I've not received it yet.

[Lauren Garrone]

You didn't send it to my house?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I didn't send it to your house because guys, I send, I sent a lot of packages to Lauren's house just because if it's something with an indeterminate shipping timeline, especially if it's like something from an ebay seller, I'm like, I can't guarantee where I'm going to be in three weeks. If I know I'm going to be home for a couple of weeks, I'll of course send everything to my house. But if it's, if it's a little iffy, if it's a small business, I, I just get it sent to Lauren's because it's. I don't want things getting lost or stolen or whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

One time a couple weeks ago, cuz I was still getting a lot of presents for the baby and I was like, oh, what's this? And then Paul just heard me go, oh, God damn it. And he was like, what? I was like, another package for Chelsea. But you know what? I get the contact high of opening the box without the financial ruin of buying all of these things.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you should get the Sofia Coppola book too. I obviously haven't physically seen it, but I've seen some photos of some of the contents online and it looks extraordinary. And if Sofia Coppola continues with this publishing imprint that she has at Mac Books called Important Flowers, I think this is the third book that she's released, not including the Planners, which I'm just not counting. But if this is something that she is going to continue to do for years of her life. I think these books are going to be a big part of her legacy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, if no studio is going to fund her projects anymore. Like, remember she was supposed to do that Apple series with Florence Pugh that was based on an Edith Wharton novel or something?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Not to mention the dark and gritty live action Little Mermaid.

[Lauren Garrone]

That all Little Mermaid film that also got canceled. Yeah. This is a good avenue for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so, too. I think she was at the Anna Sui show, actually. I think her and Marc Jacobs came together. They've been friends for 10,000 years. Also, another slight digression. I keep forgetting to buy the Anna Sui Barbie. That's what I may get sent to your house soon. Because one just came out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because they have this series of collector's Barbies that send, like, important women in history and.

[Lauren Garrone]

And Anna Sui made the list.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anna Sui made the list. And it's making me think we need a Sophia Coppola Barbie. Can you imagine?

[Lauren Garrone]

Can we also add that I'm pretty sure that you send a certain amount of things to my house so that you can launder your doll habits or your wife doesn't know about it. Because I seem to remember that the clueless dolls were sent to my house. They will be put in the studio. But Tao was very mad about it. She was like, not more dolls. And you were like, no, no, it's for the studio. It's totally different. But they're still all at your house right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. You know, I forgot to mention when we were talking about Sandy Liang, I read in the show notes that, like, an inspiration for her collection was this eccentric heiress named Huguett Clark, who I'm completely unfamiliar with. Need to find a biography of this crazy bitch because apparently she was like, some mentally un. Unstable heiress who spent like millions of dollars on dollhouses and, like, doll shit and had all these mansions, but just, like, voluntarily chose to live in hospitals. Not even psychiatric hospitals. Just like she went into, like, a hospital get to get something like, you know, a le. Like a cancerous lesion taken off her face and she, like, never left.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of Coppolas and dolls, wasn't Gia Coppola supposed to direct the Lonely Dollar film?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, that was. That was Julian Schnabel.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, this is. Oh, really?

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is an update on the, Well, I mean, long gestating dare, right? Biopic that truly my sanity depends on this movie being made someday.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, back in 2016. Yeah, Naomi Watts and Jessica Lang were Going to be in a film about a film called the secret life of the lonely doll which I imagine discuss the author dare write in her weird.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Relationship with her mom in her incredibly depressing fucked up life.

[Lauren Garrone]

So that also got taken away from us the wrong people at money Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's so true. Also, this isn't New York Fashion Week related, but I just want to note that Poochie just dropped a lookbook for their spring collection on Vogue Runway. They've been alternating between lookbooks and having actual fashion shows. I just think that Camille Micelle, who is the new ish creative director is so fab, so chic and truly killing it. I also went into the store in Miami this week. It's one of the few places in this country where there is a Poochie store.

[Lauren Garrone]

For those that don't know because I feel like we didn't know until we visited Miami in 2023. Or I will say at least I did not know. Miami has us beat in shopping because literally there's something called the Miami mi. Miami design district where it is every single designer store you can think of. And then like a couple blocks beyond that is every furniture store you could think of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know who also has a store there? Our corporate sponsor, the Realreal. But truly going into that store is incredible because she's so smart in the sense that it's like she is just using the original Emilio Pucci purchase and recoloring them from season to season. She's not trying to modernize it. Like she's not trying to do weird digital Poochie prints. Subverting the Poochie print, which some of the past creative directors have done and have, you know, made it like really shitty and bad. It's like she's taking these classic prints and then just putting them on the simplest, the chicest, most elegant clothes like the caftans. It was just, ugh. That's truly it for me. Like if there was one brand, if I had to pick a brand, if I. If I won the Powerball, I'm going to Pucci first.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're buying everything in Pucci, no question.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also in the design district, I smelled all of the new Balenciaga fragrances. I forget how many there are. It's like 10 or 12 or something like that. They haven't introduced or they haven't reintroduced fragrances since Demna got a point to did. So I was expecting that at some point we would get some sort of CK1 equivalent, like abrasive, disgusting smelling unisex fragrance in like A. A nasty steel bottle or something. But no, they went much more traditional with these fragrances.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. If I had to guess what the Balenciaga signature fragrance, certainly under Demna, would be, it would be. Be something that smells like trash.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it was actually, like. It was weird. It was like, either the scents were. And to be fair, it's hard to smell 10 perfumes at one time. At a certain point, they all become kind of disgusting.

[Lauren Garrone]

By the way, I'm imagining you just going down a line sniffing every perfume.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I did. What was worse? Because it's like, it was an empty store, so someone, like, had to come and, like, handle us. So we were like, I'm sorry, but we're gonna have to smell all of them. You have to spray them all on these little cards just so we know what's here. Yeah, it's like some of them were too trad. An old lady, whereas others were too, like, a little too conceptual for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, they sprayed one on me that I thought it kind of. I was like, oh, this is kind of nice and floral. And they were like, so this is made of seaweed. And then it sort of dried down to this weird, like, musky thing. I was like, I can't do this. Although Tat got it. Good fragrance from them, which was. It's called 100%, which I think is the best one, which also reminds me of the Sonic Youth song.

[Lauren Garrone]

And this smells like, what, rhubarb and tires.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know what the notes of that one are, but it's for a very specific person. I think the incense one is also. Would be good on, like, a man, you know, on a Ted Danson or a Tom Selleck or a Christopher Meloni.

[Lauren Garrone]

Perhaps less so Christopher Maloney or Tom Selleck. But, like, there's a real chance you could run into Ted Danson in Los Angeles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have seen him. I'm telling you. I saw him at, like, the women's march, like, ages ago.

[Lauren Garrone]

We were there together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Was that a different year? Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We were there. Okay. Well, then you forgot that Ted Danson was there, and so was Mary Steenburgen, and we saw them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anywho, are we done for the day?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I sure hope so, though.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or has the federal government already censored us?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, we're. We're low on the totem pole, but, like, again, thank God it's not, what.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A great time to be a bottom feeder.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's not out of the realm of possibility. I'd be a little more concerned if I was. I don't know, a left wing twitch streamer, let's say. True, but we'll continue talking our fashion until we're not allowed to anymore.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week.

[Lauren Garrone]

Bye guys.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye.

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