250: On Chanel, MomTok, The Beast in Me

Summary

Every Outfit – Episode 250: On Chanel, MomTok, The Beast in Me

Release Date: December 5, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni

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Episode Overview

In this milestone episode, Chelsea and Lauren do what they do best: sharply dissect the fashion and pop culture moments currently taking over their lives and the internet. This week, they tackle the spectacle of the recent Chanel subway fashion show, debate the current state of MomTok through the lens of "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives," and ride the high (and low) drama of Netflix’s "The Beast in Me." Along the way, the duo delivers their signature pithy observations and zippy banter, from Thanksgiving recaps to the growing pains of prestige TV, all with a healthy dose of inside-baseball knowledge and deadpan humor.

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Major Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Holiday Catch-up & Thanksgiving Recap

• [03:03] Chelsea’s New York trip and the “rabbit rabbit” superstition.
• Lauren abandoned making turkey for duck and chicken, with no regrets:
  “Paul made a duck. We officially have rescinded the turkey.” – Lauren [03:39]
• Chelsea dined at the Waverly Inn for a “magical night” and championed the importance of post-Thanksgiving sandwiches:

  “The Thanksgiving sandwich…is the point of cooking your own Thanksgiving.” – Chelsea [04:11]

2. Airport Fashion and Public Space Etiquette

• [07:09] Discussion on U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy’s comments: Dress better at airports.
• Both agree the bar is low, but dressing in literal pajamas is a step too far unless it’s “Prada or something.”

  “The fact that they dress like shit is an extension of the fact that they have a general lack of respect for other people at the airport.” – Chelsea [08:28]

• Victoria Beckham and Tom Ford anecdote about plane attire.
• Observations on high schoolers wearing pajamas to class, blurring public/private boundaries.

  “We should make a public space a public space again.” – Lauren [11:30]

3. Movie Buzz: Mother Mary Trailer

• [13:04] Hosts react to the much-hyped trailer featuring Anne Hathaway as a pop star and Michaela Coel as a fashion designer (and possibly exes).
• Noted supernatural and “witchcraft” elements, lavish costumes reminiscent of Beyoncé.

  “I just want to know why Anne Hathaway’s pop star character is costumed in the same exact manner that Beyoncé was when she did that weird Lion King concept album.” – Chelsea [14:22]

• Release slate for Anne Hathaway is packed for 2026.

4. TV Highlights: All’s Fair and Monster News

• [16:12] “All’s Fair” renewed, and Sarah Paulson to play Aileen Wuornos in “Monster.”
• Critique of Ryan Murphy’s tendency to “make serial killers hot.”

  “That is not a butch dyke. Come on.” – Chelsea, on Christina Ricci’s casting [17:35]

5. BDSM Dramas: Pillion and Skarsgård Talk

• [18:56] Shoutout to Pillion (not out in the US yet) for bringing back “freaky” BDSM-centric cinema.
• Alexander Skarsgård gets kudos for red carpet styling:

  “He’s the only male actor, it seems, who’s dressing on theme for his red carpet.” – Lauren [20:15]

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Fashion Focus

6. Chanel’s Subway Show

• [22:10] The ambitious but ultimately divisive Chanel show, staged in the Bowery JMZ subway station.
• Hosts ridicule the disconnect between Chanel’s luxe image and the gritty subway venue, noting both literal (subway = smells like piss) and symbolic incongruences:

  “There’s nothing that is less ‘of the streets’ than Chanel.” – Chelsea [24:34]

• Celebrities pretending to take the subway; novelties of arrival by SUV.
• Deep-dive into collections:
  • Opening with casualwear—a bold but “weird” choice for Chanel.
  • Emphasis on animal prints, American pop culture motifs, and playful novelty bags (giraffe, squirrel, coffee cup).

  “Novelty bags…something Karl Lagerfeld really excelled at and something I’m glad Blazy is interested in doing.” – Chelsea [29:45]

• Margaret Qualley’s letter-button jacket gets a special mention.
• High praise for current creative direction, making Chanel “a leader in design again.”

7. Gucci Pre-Fall Lookbook: Echoes of Tom Ford

• [34:44] Demna’s Gucci lookbook closely references Tom Ford’s iconic collections.
• Concern this nostalgia-bait is unsustainable:

  “This is not enough to sustain a brand like Gucci forever referencing these early influential Tom Ford shows.” – Chelsea [35:49]

• Discussion on the ongoing prominence of the Dionysus bag and lack of size inclusion in new collections.
• Contrast: Chanel has become more practical, Gucci more restrictive.

8. The Fall of Daria Vitale at Versace

• [40:02] The hosts bemoan the abrupt exit of Daria Vitale from Versace after just one collection, blaming corporate panic and a distaste for Vitale’s subversive, forward-thinking aesthetic.
• Vitale’s work celebrated for reverence to the brand and unique creative direction:

  “Only someone with a deep understanding of fashion as a whole and a deep understanding of that brand would concoct something like that.” – Chelsea [43:17]

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Pop Culture, TV, and Reality

9. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (MomTok Exposed)

• [45:08] Lauren enthusiastically fills Chelsea in on the “MomTok” phenomenon from this reality series.
• The world of soft-swinging Mormon moms, influencer hypocrisy, “dirty soda” addictions, and influencer-brand friendships.
• Notable scene: Affleck family member believing they were related to Ben Affleck due to a misunderstanding.

  “There is a scene where a man has to describe sarcasm to his wife, and she’s not getting it.” – Lauren [48:09]

• Show reveals tensions between religious appearances and material indulgence (Botox, fillers, soda).

10. Stranger Things Season Five Recap

• [52:29] Chelsea tries (and somewhat fails) to explain the plot and ever-expanding cast of “Stranger Things.”
• Comments on the show’s long delays and fading fan passion.
• Amusing sidebar on Millie Bobby Brown’s glow-up post-head shave, and her questionable film career.
• Lauren critiques the show’s penchant for dragging out narrative threads.

11. Lifetime-Adjacent: The Beast in Me

• [62:47] Both hosts review Netflix’s soapy, “elevated Lifetime” series starring Claire Danes as a haunted lesbian writer and Matthew Rhys as her shady billionaire neighbor.
• Dissect genre conventions: rich white women, suspicious deaths, "someone out to get the bitch."
• Acknowledge the show’s melodrama, overstuffed plot, and unnecessary eight-episode length:

  “These Netflix series need to stop being eight episodes. They need to be six episodes.” – Lauren [68:41]

• Flashback episodes and bizarre pacing receive special ire.
• Concur: “comfort food” TV, not high art.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On airport pajamas:
  “Literal pajamas. No. Unless they’re like Prada or something.” – Chelsea [09:09]
• On the Chanel subway show:
  “People that wear Chanel ready to wear don’t take the subway.” – Chelsea [23:03]
• On MomTok:
  “MomTok is kind of like Fight Club…except all they do is talk about MomTok.” – Lauren [46:16]
• On Claire Danes in ‘Beast in Me’:
  “She is very good. She does zero gay shit in this show, but she really nails the mannerisms.” – Chelsea [64:38]
• On fashion nostalgia:
  “This is a collection for…I feel like people our age who missed out on the Tom Ford Gucci era.” – Lauren [37:43]

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Key Timestamps

• 03:03 – Thanksgiving Recap
• 07:09 – Airport Fashion & Sean Duffy’s Statement
• 13:04 – Mother Mary (Anne Hathaway/Michaela Coel) Trailer
• 16:12 – All’s Fair, Monster, & Ryan Murphy News
• 22:10 – Chanel Subway Show Recap
• 34:44 – Gucci Prefall Lookbook & Critique
• 40:02 – Daria Vitale’s Versace Exit
• 45:08 – Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (MomTok)
• 52:29 – Stranger Things S5 Musings
• 62:47 – The Beast in Me Review

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Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Biting, witty, pop-culturally fluent, irreverent, occasionally bitchy—but always affectionate for their subjects and each other.
• Structure: Chatty back-and-forth between two close friends with deep industry and pop culture insight, punctuated by candid, pointed minirants.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures the Every Outfit podcast at its most wide-ranging and playful, blending acute fashion analysis with reality TV deconstruction and clever cultural critique. There’s something here for anyone who loves fashion, gossip, outrageous reality, or the peculiarities of contemporary fame—and especially, for those who thirst for sharp, unapologetic commentary.

Transcript

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I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty?

Great gowns. Beautiful gowns.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed.

No, it hasn't.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. It feels like I haven't seen you in weeks.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I haven't seen you in a couple weeks. Cause I've been in New York and I did text you this on December 1st, but I haven't had an opportunity to say rabbit rabbit in person because.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

That'S what really makes for a good month.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Did you say rabbit Rabbit. Or did you not say rabbit rabbit.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I never say rabbit rabbit. Because usually my first moments of waking up are to a screaming baby. So, like, I rarely am thinking about saying rabbit rabbit. And also, I don't know, it's probably been a good 10 months to a year since I've been up past midnight.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

How was your Thanksgiving?

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It was good.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It was very chill. Just stayed here. Paul cooked, Paul made a duck. We officially have rescinded the turkey.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

You're trying to make a statement.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Not trying to make a statement. It's just. It's simply that I feel like the past few Thanksgivings, we've all decided we're not going to do a turkey. And then at the last minute, someone in the family freaks out and is like, but we gotta have turkey. And this was the first year that it was like, we are spatchcocking a chicken and Paul is making a duck.

And everyone's gonna enjoy it.

And guess what? They did.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It sounds delicious. But the problem is, is that you had no leftovers to make the Thanksgiving sandwich, which in my mind is the point of cooking your own Thanksgiving.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, Chelsea, did you cook your own Thanksgiving?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'd rather die than cook my own Thanksgiving. I went to Waverly Inn, which is classic New York restaurant, had a great traditional Thanksgiving meal, weirdly got a very good table. So it was a magical night overall.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, congratulations. Were you able to procure some sort of Thanksgiving sandwich the day afterwards, though?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Cause I had turkey leftovers from the restaurant.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Ah, I see.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And I got an extra stuffing to go. I did that. Correct.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

You know, never would I have Thought that the Friends character you're most like is Ross Geller. Like you would stab a bitch if someone ate your post Thanksgiving sandwich.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Did you watch the parade or the dog dog show at all?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I watched clips afterwards. I feel like the past few years I have messed up the timing with the parade because this year I'm like, I'm up early with a baby. I'm not gonna miss it. Guess what? I was up earlier than it had started. Then I got busy prepping Thanksgiving and then I was like, oh. And I put it on in the middle of the Thanksgiving parade. I noticed a lot of floats that were being pulled by Dodge trucks.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

See, that went over my head.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Didn't like it. Felt wrong.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I caught the end half of the parade. But I'm always more into the dog show, especially because this year there was an English bulldog named Prada in competition who I think placed third in the non sporting category but did not advance to the final round of the dog show.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It did make me think that if you guys were going to get another English bulldog, it should be named after a designer.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we'll see. Jury's out on that at the moment.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I think an English bulldog named Margiela would be perfect. Did you look at your Spotify wrapped?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, and my listening age is 49.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

My listening age is 72. But I think it's because I've used Spotify this year mostly to play like Django Reinhardt guitar music as the baby's going to sleep or when I'm feeding him a bottle. Cause I refuse to listen to traditional children's music.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, get ready, bitch. You're gonna have to listen to Baby Shark at some point.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I will tell you the most horrifying statistic from my spot wrapped, which was that my most listened to podcast. Chelsea, you want to guess?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God. What would it be?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

My most listened to podcast was the and just like that writers room podcast.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

God bless. It was probably mine too. I've gotten behind on like every single podcast I listen to and now I'm too intimidated to re engage. Don't do that with our podcast though, guys. Also, I appreciate everyone that tagged us in the Spotify wrapped. It's fascinating to see what else they listen to.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh yeah, Writer's room was not in other people's Spotify podcast. Most listened to, but a lot of. Are you a Charlottes as well? So we're in the rotation.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So you traveled, which from what I understand from the news is an unmitigated nightmare. So how were the airports?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I Like, literally don't understand, because I also traveled, like, during the government shutdown, and it was super easy. Nothing went wrong. The airports were empty. Like, I honestly don't get it.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, do you think it's because you took Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's advice and you dressed a little nicer at the airport?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

You have no idea how I looked. I could have looked like shit.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday, as I said, the US Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, held a press conference where he said this.

[Sean Duffy (US Transportation Secretary)]

I think, again, I call this just maybe dressing with some respect. You know, whether it's a pair of jeans and a decent shirt, I would encourage people to maybe dress a little better, which encourages us to maybe behave all a little better. Let's try not to wear slippers and pajamas as we come to the airport. I think that's positive.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea never did. I think I would agree with someone in the Trump administration.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Finally, some common ground. I'm with you. I completely agree with this guy. Although I don't think people dressing better will necessarily fix their behavior. But the fact that they dress like shit is an extension of the fact that they have a general lack of respect for other people at the airport.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I will say I agree with what Sean Duffy said with an asterisk, because he's like, well, if people dress better, then the experience of being at the airport will be better. And I disagree with that. Like, the government and just unchecked capitalism has made traveling the worst experience ever. But I do think that people should be dressing better, for sure.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And this is not to say that people shouldn't wear sweats or athleisure or whatever the fuck, but, like, literal pajamas. No. Unless they're like, Prada or something. It's like a pajama look. Because I often wear, like, a sweatsuit or a little knit set or something to the airport, but I try and put a nice, respectable coat over it.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I always think of this anecdote about how Victoria Beckham was on a plane, I assume, from London to LA with Tom Ford, and she was dressed in probably a Roland Mouret dress or something. And she went to go change, and Tom Ford was like, what are you doing? And she was like, oh, I'm gonna change into pajamas. And he said, no, you're not. And she went, oh, okay. And she sat down for 12 hours in a very uncomfortable Dr. Because Tom Ford told her to.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And this is why people think that gay male fashion designers are misogynist because of shit like this.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But he's featured in the Victoria Beckham documentary. These are the type of things I wanted answered in that documentary.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

See, to me, I get that Tom Ford is like obsessed with the jet set sort of travel look and probably wishes that things were the same as they were back in the day. But also, it's like, there's nothing chic about a woman wearing something uncomfortable on a plane. Like, that's like as fashion victim y as wearing pajamas.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I agree with you on that. So there has been backlash to this statement. Most notably the comedian Tim Dillon, who basically was like, fuck you, I'm gonna dress like shit because this is such a shitty experience. And it's like, well, don't do that.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No. Also, slippers. That's another thing. Like, what kind of slippers are you wearing if you're wearing like a suede charvet slipper to the airport? Like, nothing wrong with that. Tat has these like fuzzy. I think they're Balenciaga slippers that she wears at the airport. But that's a more considered fashion choice.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I think what Sean Duffy was trying to express, or at least what I took away from that because also I've noticed Paul has a niece who is in college now but was in high school. Every high school student wears pajamas to school now, which I do not agree with.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No, that's horrible. The only time it's acceptable to wear pajamas is like the day after a sleepover when you're like, parent picks you up and you're still in pajamas.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But I think what I'm taking away from this Sean Duffy statement is the fact that like, we should make a public space a public space. Again. Like, there is this weird ownership I feel that people have of public spaces, which I guess as I'm saying this sort of contradicts like, yes, the public should own public spaces, but it's like treating the public space like it is your home and you are dressing as you would in your home out in public. I disagree with.

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Also, people are wearing shit at the airport that they wouldn't wear in their day to day lives. Such as, I feel like people wear things at the airport that they wouldn't wear if they were just running errands. Like, I don't see people wearing pajamas on the street ever. Unless I'm at the airport or you.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Pass by a high school. See, for me, when I'm traveling, I'm usually wearing my most impractical items for no other reason than they wouldn't fit in my suitcase.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. I had to wear a leather trench coat on the plane. Both Ways to New York.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Which, by the way, if you want to wear pajamas underneath a nice coat, that's totally fine. Or is that too hot of a take, Chelsea?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No, I just think that, like, if we're wearing something that casual, it should match, because it's never like, pajama pants and a matching top. It's always pajama pants and a hoodie.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I guess dress for the airport experience you would like to have perhaps. Hey, perhaps your flight is delayed because you are in pajamas because you're dressed as if you are ready for your flight to be delayed for six hours.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, what else?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, God has answered our prayers. The Mother Mary trailer came out.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

What? In the vox lux.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I'm sorry, you mean Mother Mary, also known as the Bitter Tears of Petra von Los.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

So was it last week's episode that we were talking about this? We were like, whatever happened to that Anne Hathaway Michaela Cole movie? Why did Anne Hathaway start promoting it such a long time ago? Did the Marketing people at A24 listen to the podcast or did God answer our prayers?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Why not both, Chelsea? Why can't it be both?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

So in case you've forgotten, this is the movie where Anne Hathaway plays a pop star and Michaela Cole plays a fashion designer. Kind of counterintuitive. I would think it would be the other way around.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But anyway, this is David Lowery's follow up from the Green Knight. And I guess based on that pretty insane Vogue profile that happened over the summer, I wasn't anticipating that this film was going to have a supernatural element to it. But it does seem that there is some kind of witchcraft element to this film.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, right. And we failed to mention that Michaela Cole and Anne Hathaway are like lesbian exes.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Is that what's happening?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Oh, anywho, I just want to know why Anne Hathaway's pop star character is costumed in the same exact manner that Beyonce was when she did that weird Lion King concept album.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, right.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It's very much giving that.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So you get from the trailer that Michaela Cole worked with Anne Hathaway's pop star character at the beginning of her career, and then there was a falling out, I guess, because they broke up. A subtext or text I just did not pick up during this trailer.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I thought that when they first announced it, it was like they were exes. Or maybe I just made this up. Who knows? Take everything that we say with a grain of salt, guys.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But Anne Hathaway is in Some sort of musical crisis and she comes back to Michaela Cole designing a hate dress, which is the first time I've ever heard the phrase hate dress. And I'm obsessed.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Look, we're going to love this or we're going to hate this. I don't know if there's an in between. I don't know if it's possible.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Mother Mary, which is described by A24 as a psychosexual pop thriller. How are we going to hate this film, Chelsea? True, it's not a ghost story. It's not a love story. Those are the taglines you see in the trailer. They don't exactly tell you what kind of story it is, but it's certainly not a If you think that that dress is haunted, you guys are wrong.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Do we know when it's coming out?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Why, yes we do, because Anne Hathaway has quite the stacked 2026. Mother Mary is coming out April 26th. The Devil Wears Prada is coming out May 1st. The Odyssey is coming out July 17th. Honestly, prayers for her stylists. Three back to back press tours for gigantic movies. Gigantic fashion forward movies. At least for the first two.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Damn.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

What else do we got?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, All's Fair was renewed for season two. Thank God.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I am behind on All's Fair. I will catch up. What I learned from this press release that All's Fair is being renewed and the new season will film in early 2026, is that I guess they have to make time for the fact that Sarah Paulson will be in the fourth season of Monster playing Eileen Wuornos. Have we discussed this yet?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, was that formally announced?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Wow.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Great. I can see it.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So right now they're shooting Lizzie Borden. That's going to be the next season of Monster. Wait, so this has to be the fifth season of Monster? But she's evidently playing Aileen Wuornos, which the prosthetics for that are going to go crazy.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

There's also apparently some Aileen Wuornos true crime docu series that is out now that we need to watch on Netflix.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

We've been too busy watching the Beast in Me.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I've been too busy watching all these like very Lifetime adjacent limited series, but I wanna watch that. I also do love the Aileen Wuornos documentary Portrait of a Serial Killer, which I did see in theaters years ago. Shout out to that movie, not to.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Be confused with Charlize Theron's Academy Award winning role as Eileen Wuornos.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, one change I would like to see Is like in Monster, like Christina Ricci, like, that is not a butch dyke. Come on. When you see the real woman that Christina Ricci was playing, it's shocking.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

See, I thought you were going to say that. An issue that people have had with the Ryan Murphy monster series is that he's making all of these serial killers hot. Now. They've all been male serial killers. It'll be interesting. It's like, is he going to make Lizzie Borden and Aileen Wuornos Hotel?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think he can.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

That's reserved for the male serial killers.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's a great role for Sarah Paulson. I'm sure she'll kill it.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Eileen Wuornos?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

She's also great in All's Fair. How's it going, by the way?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, how far behind are you?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I watched the first few episodes, so I'm probably three episodes behind.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, so you've missed her two best episodes, then?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Has she dropped the Linda Tripp voice?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think it's a full Linda Tripp voice, but no, she has not dropped it. Her best episodes are episode four and five. Also, before we move on to fashion stuff, I just have a message for the gay male British fuckettes, which is, we will talk about pillion, but it doesn't come out in the United States until February, so we haven't been able to see it yet. But we will be there on opening day because this film looks amazing and you all seem to love it.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

However, if someone would like to send us a screener, we will happily talk about this film. Because having watched the trailer, not since Secretary has there been such a wholesome film about a 247 Dom sub lifestyle.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Like, I feel like we got a lot of, like, BDSM sort of romantic dramas back in the day, or at least back in the 90s, but that's not so much of a thing anymore.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

No, I mean, the last mainstream erotic film we got was 50 shades, and we know how that went, and we do, because we saw every single one.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

In theaters, and that was not giving the level of freakiness that I require. This seems like it could be freaky.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, this film is definitely freaky.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It also seems like the main character gets a pretty fabulous makeover midway through the film, which I also love a makeover movie.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And I have owned Alexander Skarsgrd stock since season one of True Blood, so I'm a ride or die for Alexander Skarsgrd. Chell. I saw the remake of Straw Dogs in theaters. I have Seen the movie Tarzan?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No, I love him too. I'm on board for this. I like his kinky little outfits that he's been wearing on the press tour. He can pull it off. It's fab. Good for him.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, he's the only male actor, it seems, who's dressing on theme for his red carpet. Sort of a la Margot Robbie during the Barbie press tour.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I forget who his stylist is. Anyway, shall we move into fashion?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely.

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, this collection has to be seen to be believed, mostly because you will not hear them. They are that silent.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

They're so quiet, you can't even tell that I've had one on this entire ad read.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Lauren, stop mad masturbating while doing the podcast. Ad reads, I'm calling hr.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

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[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

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So there was a Chanel show.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Have you heard?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I think the general consensus is this. The show itself is brilliant. The location, which was in a subway station, specifically the Bowery JMZ station, was not giving.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, the Bowery JMZ station is known for two smelling like piss and open drug use.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

We should say that there is an abandoned part of the station that is often used for. I mean, the myriad of limited series on Netflix that we've watched. These shows that are set in New York but also, several fashion shows have happened at this abandoned portion of the Bowery Station. But still.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, several? Or just that Tom Ford show from like 10 years ago.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

The Tom Ford show, I believe the Moschino show was also at that abandoned station.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Although that mosquito show was in like an old subway car. Didn't look like the subway cars of today. Looked like the subway cars of the 80s and was, from what I remember, a very hip hop inspired collection. I don't know. I think the weird thing about the subway setting, I mean, it goes without saying that people that wear Chanel ready to wear don't take the subway.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And also the people in the audience of that show probably don't take the subway. That was one of my favorite questions that someone was asking the celebrities of like, so what do you think of the subway? When was the last time you took the subway? And Emily Ratajkowski was like, oh, I took the subway all the time. I took it last week. It's like, that's not all the time. Yesterday would be the correct answer.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I believe that Emrata takes the subway from time to time. But the Chanel customer, like, if you're wearing head to toe Chanel, you have a private driver. If you're buying into Chanel in a sort of accessory capacity, you're buying the shoes or the bags, you are an uber black XL only kind of bitch.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And also I saw this TikTok video of someone that was like, why are there all of these SUVs in the East Village? And it was this aerial shot of someone above where the station was and there were like 30 black suburbans. So it's like, okay, so the people who are coming to this show were driven to the subway to witness the show.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think it's funny because there's nothing that is less like of the streets than Chanel. And having a fashion show in a subway location feels more aligned with brands that are anti establishment, brands that are drawing inspiration from street fashion, like a Telfar or a Balenciaga or something like that. Or a brand that's critiquing luxury fashion as a whole and sort of bringing it into reality a bit more. Like Margiela. Did Margiela also had a subway fashion show or a train station fashion show or something in the early 90s.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, we'll get into the actual show itself, which was brilliant in a second. But just the presentation of it left me with the feeling I have. If anyone has watched the Real Housewives every year, Chelsea, they go on a trip and this Chanel show was like, if the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills went to Catalina and we had to watch them take a ferry to Catalina, then get into a golf cart and stay in an Airbnb. It's like, I don't want to see a vacation I could take. Like, where is the glamour? And I understand Mathieu Blasey's reasoning for this. He was very inspired by New York, and I guess each woman was a different kind of New York woman.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And he made the point that the subway is where the classes commingle, but it's like they don't actually.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And not the Chanel customer.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Every once in a while, the Chanel customer has to go down there for some reason, and it's probably because of speed. Like, I need to get someone somewhere downtown fast. You know, like Carrie Bradshaw when she was going to the New York Stock Exchange.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, I thought you meant the drug speed. No, like, they're buying drugs.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Sometimes it's faster to take the subway than it is to take a car. And if you have to get to something downtown, sometimes you have no other choice. But again, those bitches are taking a 6 train. A JMZ. Honey.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

There was a moment, I swear I saw a clip from the collection where a model walked out of the subway car and then went to go sit down on the wooden bench that's, like, in the center for where people are waiting. And I saw that model hesitate for just a second, as if she was like, I know the producer told me to sit down. Like, I'm waiting for a subway, but I'm also in a $17,000 co. Oh.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The craziest ones were those gorgeous voluminous leopard gowns. And just watching the hems graze the Bowery JMC filled me with such dread and sadness. When I look at the clothes themselves, I was like, this show could have been in the Russian Tea Room or something like that.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes, a little more opulence. Again, this goes back to my Real Housewives taking a very pedestrian vacation.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But as for the clothes themselves, they were amazing. I liked the majority of them. Some of the looks, I think were hard based on our understanding of what Chanel is and what Chanel has been like. Opening the show with a model in jeans and, like, a little half zip sweater was a choice.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It was. I think the least successful looks are the. The jeans with dresses and a T shirt. And I understand that it probably is a customer. But of course, I think where Mathieu Blasi succeeds, as he did at Bottega, is the innovation with materials for sure.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But also having such a purposefully casual opening look is exactly what he did at Bottega with those jeans and those like flannel shirts that were made of leather.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And then this collection, we had a Canadian tuxedo look of sorts, but it was made of silk.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Also bizarre seeing the I heart New York shirt, like the famous Milton Glaser design, which reminded me so much of like Ashish or Jeremy Scott, like those sort of pop art type brands.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, there was a lot of very American pop culture references. You have the knitted Chanel sweater, the cc, but it was in the colors and the look of the Superman logo.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

That was cute. That was like a kind of butch 70s look.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Not to get on my nerd shit, but Clark Kent is from Metropolis and that's. I don't think New York. I believe Gotham City is the standard for New York City, but whatever. You also had all of these pillard dresses that were in the style of like Tony the Tiger.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. I liked all the animal print stuff. Animal prints, like Chanel has done animal prints, But I don't associate it with that brand at all. We think about florals when we think about Chanel. So that I thought was great. Especially the bags and stuff.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, let's get into the bags. Because you had updates on the classic Chanel bag silhouettes. And then also Chanel is known for these kind of one off crazy bags.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The novelty bags, which is something that Karl Lagerfeld really excelled at and something that I'm glad that Machu Blasi is interested in doing because these bags were incredible. There's one that was like a 255 bag, essentially, that was shaped like a giraffe.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. There was a flat bag that had gold plated dog arms and legs coming out of it. There was also, I think that was a squirrel.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It had a bushy little tail.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

That's right. There were squirrels, There were acorns, there were apples, there were coffee cups.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The coffee cup one was really cute. That felt very Carl also.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But a very dog centric collection as well. Or at least that was a theme throughout.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And apparently that stemmed from his belief that in New York your accessories are your cup of coffee and your dog.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

The thing that I'm most obsessed with about this collection is Matu Blasi's idea of what New York is.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The dog suit, though, was probably my favorite look in the show.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It's sort of the least Chanel looking other than the silhouette. You know, it was a lady suit that you would associate with Chanel. But it had all of these images of different kinds of dogs. Something that I would more associate with like Jeremy Scott and Moschino or something.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. There was also this really amazing red and yellow and black printed suit that Kathy Horne likened it to Steven Sprouse, which I think is fair. But to me, when I saw it, it reminded me of like Memphis style textile design, which Karl Lagerfeld was into, not in his designs, but in his personal life. Like he had that crazy ass apartment back in the day.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But that I really loved also.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I think he's done in quick succession two very strong collections. The next one is gonna be haute couture, and he's just going from strength to strength.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It's amazing that in two collections he has made this brand a leader in design again, because they've always had the advantages of the heritage of the brand and the exclusivity of it because it is so expensive. But to have the design come up in this way is really great.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And I'm sure the brand ambassadors like Margot Robbie and Margaret Qualley are especially excited that it looks cool again.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that was also an incredible piece. The red and blue tweed jacket that Margaret Qualley wore in the short film that was also in the show and that was so great because it had Chanel spelled out vertically on the buttons down the front. So each button had its own letter, which was so cute.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Do you want to talk about the short film with Margaret Qualley? A$AP Rocky, directed by the wonderful Michel Gondry.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I thought it was cute, but I don't have that much to say about it. Like it was a little long. Fashion films as a medium have always been difficult for me. Like Nick Knight made some really amazing ones like 20 years ago. And those ones that Torso did for Mugler were incredible. But it's. I find it really hard to connect with personally.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It was just nice to see Michel Gondry again doing his Michel Gondry thing.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Doing something.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Something about Margaret Qualley taking the subway and A$AP rock wanting to meet her at Aster place to propose.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Anywho, shall we move on to Gucci?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

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[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I washed it, but to be fair, I had had it for no more than two weeks at that point. Like, it is a throw blanket. You know, don't judge.

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

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[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So Demna has debuted a lookbook to Gucci Prefall. So it's still not his first collection. Correct. He still is. Like my first collection is in March. Right now. I'm just experimenting.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, his first Runway show.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Which will be technically his third collection. And this one, while it was a lookbook, it was a direct replica of the photos from like Tom Ford's big breakthrough fashion show which had very specific staging. The show was in the dark and then there was a spotlight that illuminated the models, including Jason Lewis, Smith Jarrett who famously walked in that show and there was like a Smith Jarret looking model in this one too, which I appreciated.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I mean we have long predicted, we're not the only people who have said this, that Demna was going to have a fascination with the Tom Ford era of Gucci. And I do wonder with this pre fall lookbook and collection if he's just getting it out of his system.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I hope he is because this is not enough to sustain a brand like Gucci forever referencing these early influential Tom Ford shows. It just isn't.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Also, when it comes to the bags, I'm fascinated that he's gone all in on the Dionysus bag.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we could retire that for a.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Minute, but good for those people who've bought the Dionysus bag during the Alessandro Michele era and are trying to sell it on the realreal look.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It's a beautiful, iconic bag and people should really hang on to them. But is it that interesting to me right now?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

No, no.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Also Tat was looking at the show and she was like, for fuck's sake, this is so annoying because it's like to wear these clothes you have to be skinny. And that wasn't the case for Balenciaga. Balenciaga. Say what you will about it was accidentally size inclusive because the clothes were cut so big. Like I know guys that were like 3 XL that shopped there. Whereas these clothes are so tailored. So skinny. You have to be tall and real thin, which I think sucks.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, because 1% of the population will fit in that.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Whereas Chanel has gone from a brand that previously made clothes for only really tall, thin young people, for the most part, very impractical clothes, is now making practical clothes. So it's like we have one win and then like an equivalent loss.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, good for us. We're not the Gucci or the Chanel customer as we previously spoken about. Everything when it comes to luxury fashion is three times as much as it was a few years ago.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

We will be customers on the second hand market though at some point, or we should. Maybe not for Chanel because that's crazy. But Gucci is a very different price point and certainly there's a pair of sunglasses that could be acquired at some point.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Here's what I do appreciate about Demna and he said this in his show notes is he referred to himself as a fashion consumer, which I feel like not a lot of designers discuss the fact that they too like to shop. But he discussed the fact that this collection is inspired by fomo, the fear of missing out. And it's like, yeah, this is a collection for. I feel like people our age who missed out on the Tom Ford Gucci era that miss it terribly and would like another go at it.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. And the concept was also like, this is a lost Gucci collection right from the 90s, which he did already do that same concept for Balenciaga, that which was that Harmony Karine film that we talked about like ages ago. It came out like early pandemic, so a lot of people missed it, but it was quite cool.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

A slight digression, but I feel like you and I are the only two people that would care about the fact that Harmony Korine and his wife have divorced.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I know, Rip I found this out.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Because Reddit's equivalent of a for you page just populates posts from different things forums that they think you might be interested in. And on R HarmonyCorean, they had the fact that he was getting divorced from his Wife. And guess what? I do care. And I sent it to you because I was like, we are the only two people that would care about this.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure there are many people that care.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Any other thoughts about this Gucci pre fall collection?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I'm looking it over now. The shoes are really fab. I will say, I like the shoes a lot. People are going to eat up these jeans with the stripes on the side. People are gonna buy the accessories. But to me, like, nothing feels off.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

In the way that Debna's work at Balenciaga did.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like, it almost feels like a little too literal. Like, I understand that, like, with the handbags and some of the leather jackets, he made them look a little slouchier and more aged. And that's an example of making something quote, unquote, off. But I don't know. Most of these clothes seem to me to be very literal and not really that subversive. And unfortunately, we've lost a truly subversive voice in fashion, which is Daria Vitali at Versace.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I was wondering when you were gonna bring this up. I thought of you when I saw this news story that after only a singular collection, Daria Vitali will be exiting Versace and exiting, according to the press release December 12th. So it's not like, well, you know, he'll design the next collection in March and then leave. It's like, no, he's out of there.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

This put me in the foulest fucking mood between this Gucci collection and that. Like, I.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So the timing is very curious because of a few things. The Prada purchased Versace, and that deal only closed two days ago. Dario Vitali came from Miu Miu and went to Versace. And all I can think is that, I guess the consumer doesn't want to cock forward Versace.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

They haven't even had the opportunity to buy anything yet, though it's not in the stores. That, to me, seems crazy. Like, you're not even going to give him enough of a shot to see if people actually buy this stuff because it was so critically acclaimed. And while critical acclaim does not guarantee profitability, it is a good early indicator of profitability. And it surprises me that Prada would let him go. Because if there's any case study in the last decade about how to reshape a brand, it is Miu Miu.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I guess Prada was like, no more cock forward jeans. Go back to miniskirts at Miu Miu. Which we should say, we actually don't know where Dara Vitaly is going to.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Or if he's going anywhere, if they're firing him, it means they're going to bring in someone really fucking corny like Ricardo Tisci or something.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes. This move to fire him so quickly. Or we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Dario Vitale could have chosen to leave, but I somehow doubt it again, given the timing. But it does feel like this panic move of like, oh, no, let's not make Versace cool. The consumer wants it to be like old school Versace. So yes, let's make a Euro trash again.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But it's like whoever is designing Versace, it shouldn't be someone that like earnestly wants to make a scarf print men's shirt or like a body con crystal gown in 2025.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It should be someone like Dario Fatali who is going to explore a different facet of Versace, because it's not as if he just threw their entire brand identity away and did his own thing. To me, his collection felt extremely reverent to the brand. But I don't know, it just. It sucks. I feel like that was like the one thing. Not the one thing, but one of the handful of things in fashion that really, genuinely excited me. And it's like, you know, when you break up with someone, it's like you don't just mourn the end of the relationship, you mourn all the plans that you had together, like for the future, right?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Now I'm mourning, like Versace collections. That could have been.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Why do I get the feeling that you're gonna figure out how to use AI in Sora just so it can give you future Dario Vitale Versace collections? That won't be happening.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But see, that's the thing that's so good about Dario Vitale is an algorithm could have never predicted that only someone with a deep understanding of fashion as a whole and a deep understanding of that brand would concoct something like that. And that's why it was so cool, because it was so out of left field and so different from what every other brand is doing.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, it also calls into question, will we get to see this collection in stores? Does Dario Vitale. I assume they've shot the ad campaign for that collection.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, they've already released the ad campaign for that collection. It's real shitty.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

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Well, I don't think this is gonna improve your mood, but I would love to non consensually talk at you about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, which is a show that I've been watching. Oh God, there are things that you watch that I don't watch and vice versa. But I have to tell you about this show because you do not need to watch this show. And I do think that you watching the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives would put you in an even more foul mood. I have sent you clips of the show.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

To be fair, I did watch the first couple of episodes of this show, so I have a little bit of awareness. Although that was a long time ago.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But see, it wasn't a long time ago. And this is one of the things I love about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And this is what they're giving me.

That the Kardashians aren't There have only.

Been three seasons of this show, Chelsea. Two of the seasons, the second and third, premiered this year. We got two seasons of this show and guess what? They got a fourth in the can.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

So is my memory correct? What I remember of this is that they're all influencers. Like mommy Influencers.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes, it is a show centered around something called Mom Talk. Now what is Mom Talk exactly? Mom Talk is kind of like Fight Club, except instead of the first rule being to never talk about Mom Talk, all they do is talk about Mom Talk. And I sent you this clip where one of the women, Macy, is putting up a pride flag in her Front yard. And she's like, this is what Mom Talk can do. We're gonna smash the patriarchy. And I just texted you. And I was like, chelsea, they literally do dances where they shake their ass. We should say this show started because, yes, they got TikTok famous during the pandemic. And then one of them, Taylor Frankie, revealed that her and her husband at the time were soft swinging with other Mormons. And then it was this scandal. But the show itself might be the best reflection of influencer culture I've ever seen. Even better than I love la, because they treat Mom Talk like it's this philosophical collective, but really, it's just to keep brand deals going. Because now that they have a following, they're not friends with each other, they don't like each other. They're actively trying to sabotage each other. But then there'll be these moments where it's like, oh, we got this Tresemme deal. And Whitney has to come to the house and shoot content with us because the brand's for all of us. And they're like, all right. Like Chelsea, there is a woman named Whitney, as I just invoked, who was on Dancing with the Stars, who literally would not come back for the third season of filming because the producers wouldn't meet her demands. And one of the demands was that she wanted a speaking role on a scripted show. And she literally only comes back halfway through the season because she hears that a casting director will be casting someone for Dancing with the Stars from this show. And she plainly says it. I feel like other shows hide it.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're not really convincing me to watch the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

No, no, no. This is for the fuckettes who are watching the show. The moment that turned me to start watching it was there is a woman named Jen Affleck. And I saw a tweet where they were like, there is this woman who keeps saying that she's related to Ben Affleck, and she's not. And as someone who is Affleck trash, I was like, I'm sold, Chelsea. This woman didn't understand her husband's sarcasm. She spent the first two seasons telling everyone that she was related to Ben Affleck through her husband, whose last name is Affleck, because her husband sarcastically was like, yeah, yeah, we're related to Ben Affleck. And so there's a scene where a man has to describe sarcasm to his wife, and she's not getting it.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

She never thought to do, like, a basic Google search.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

No. She's like, but your father Said that it was true. And her husband's like, he was joking.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I'm also obsessed with the show because it gets to the heart of the hypocrisy of modern Mormonism. Because I guess one of the tenets of Mormonism is you can't drink coffee. You can't drink caffeinated beverages like coffee or tea. But I assume because soda didn't exist when Joseph Smith wrote the book, they all drink soda all the time. Like, there are several scenes, Chelsea, where they are cracking a Dr. Pepper at.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

8Am See, this I never understand, because if I was so religious that I believed in, like, hell, I would be, like, a fundamentalist.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It's fascinating. I mean, they all have horrific trauma, sexual trauma, emotional abuse, physical abuse. In their past. Several people on this show have had to take breaks from filming to do intensive therapy.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Jesus. Okay, well, things just got more interesting.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But then there'll be a picnic scene. Like, there is literally one woman who has two children who's never had an orgasm before. But then she'll start a conversation about, like, hey, has anyone done anal? And they're all like, yes.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Wait. Because they were, like, doing anal before they lost their virginity.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I would love to dig deeper on this concept. But then it just goes to a different montage sequence where they're getting fillers, which is the other thing I'm obsessed with. They all get Botox and fillers, and they justify it because they're like, well, you know, in the book, Joseph Smith talked about bettering yourself and making yourself the most perfect version. And that's how they justify going to med spas.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Look, to each their own.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Now, I will give this to the show. All of the women are the breadwinners. And they say this all the time, openly, in front of their gay husbands.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

That's cool.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

See, that is cool. The last thing I will tell you about is just the arc of season three is, did this woman, Jesse, have an affair with a man named Marciano from Vanderpump Villa? A lot of words I'm sure went in one ear, out the other. I don't even watch Vanderpump Villa. What I do want to bring to your attention is an affair. Sounds juicy, right? She kissed this man twice, and her husband's like, you had an affair? And she's like, I did have an affair because I kissed this man twice, and I talked to him for two weeks. So it was a physical and an emotional affair. And if we're giving Steve a pass from the first Sex and the City Film for sleeping with a woman once. I mean, two kisses. Does that equal an affair?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

No. It's cheating, obviously. But was it really two kisses?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

That's what we're trying to figure out.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Like, how trustworthy is this guy? Because we know that Steve is trustworthy, and that's the difference.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Marciano is not trustworthy. He also had a dalliance with another woman named Demi, who's in the show. And there is a theory that he can't keep his story straight about what he did with what woman because he cannot tell them apart. And I think.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

So, like the Donald Trump thing, that.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

He couldn't recognize e. G. Carroll and thought it was his ex Wife.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, yes, In a slightly darker way. I mean, you tell me, Chelsea, do these look like the same women to you?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. I would never in a million years be able to tell them apart.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So we're Team Marciano is what you're saying?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Look, I'm never gonna watch this show, but I will stand by you in your hot takes and your opinions about this show.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I also am never going to watch the final season of Stranger Things or really any of Stranger Things.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Have you never watched any Stranger Things?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I think I watched the first season, but I know you do, and I would love for you to tell me what is going on with the final season of Stranger Things, which is part one of two.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Part one. They dropped four episodes of season five. And.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

And it's taken 10 years for us to get five seasons.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe even more than 10 years at this point. Look, I have watched every single episode of Stranger Things, but even I have the flimsiest grasp on the plot of this show and the characters because the new seasons drop so infrequently. Like, I was a different person when the first season of Stranger Things aired.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, wait, no. I have watched Stranger Things semi recently because I watched it over your shoulder a year ago when we were traveling in Australia and you were watching episodes on your iPad.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Right, because I hadn't watched season four. Look, I will do my best to explain this show. From what I understand, there is a spooky little town called Hawkins, Indiana. And in that town, fucked up shit happens. Because beneath the town, there's this place called the Upside down, which is basically like a scary parallel version of the town. And yes, they.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

They did this in Buffy as well. The town was on Above a Hellmouth.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Sounds very similar. Because kids are constantly, like, going missing down in the Upside Down.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Do you think Stephen King hates this show?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I wonder. Also, scary vaginal Creatures called demigorgons are escaping from down there and, like, coming up and, like, killing people or, like, taking them or whatever this.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I understand Winona Ryder had a child. That child disappeared in the Upside Down. But that was, like, literally 15 years ago.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But every single season, it's the same plot because there's always a child that needs rescuing, and it's always about finding the child or trapping the monsters or whatever the fuck.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Why was David Harbour in Russia last season?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Honestly, I forget he was captured. I think he was in a labor camp of some kind. I don't know. The Germans also have demigorgons which they have captured to use for military purposes. I believe also there are, like, children that have, like, supernatural abilities. The biggest one being Millie Bobby Brown's character, eleven.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I know this isn't the point and doesn't have relevance to the season itself, but during this press tour, I saw a clip of her being interviewed, and I thought it was Bella Thorne because.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

She had the long hair and a.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Lot of work done.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The shaving her head was the biggest glow up Millie Bobby Brown could have had. And I stand by this. Every time an actress has to shave their head for a role, be it Demi Moore for GI Jane or Emma Stone for Begonia. Instant glow up.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

But especially for Millie Bobby Brown, who genuinely looks so cool with a shaved head.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

She looked incredibly cool, but it's become apparent with her film choices. I was gonna say outside of Netflix, but it's kind of inside of Netflix because she only makes Netflix movies that she is not as major as 11 with a shaved head. And I always think of her when Winona Ryder was talking about the fact of, like, working with these kids and how, you know, she has such a voracious love of film history. Even when she was a kid actor, she was talking about how she would recommend movies to the younger cast members of Stranger Things, and they'd always be like, okay, but how long is the movie? And I'm like, that's Millie Bobby Brown.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Who knows? I mean, on the show, as you know, there's this core group of kids, right? 11. The little Bob Dylan, who has the best career out of all of them, it seems. The gay one that got canceled recently, who is also gay on the show.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And Sadie Sink, who is in a coma for some reason this season. I completely forget why. And there's, like, two other kids that. Who cares? And then there's another group of, like, older teens, which is, like, Maya Hawke, who is, like, the show's resident lesbian. She Has a friend that kind of looks like a sort of. She looks exactly like the model Michelle Hicks. Like, this woman has the strongest jawline you've ever seen. And then there's two, like, random, like, white brunette guys that both look like Harry Styles.

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And all of these teens and these young kids have basically formed a militia because they're constantly, like, trying to save one of their friends or, like, hunt these monsters and, like, try and save their, like, little town, which everyone should move. Frankly, like, this place is a nightmare.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I mean, you must be able to get a house for, like, $12, especially in the 80s.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But this season, it's like, there's this other monster called Vecna who kind of looks like a cross between a skeleton and a tree. And he's, like, extra evil and extra scary and, like, trying to kill everyone. So he's the main focus.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Wasn't he from last season? Isn't that the British actor Jamie Bulls Campbell?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

He was in last season also. Yes, but he's like the super monster in Buffy parlance.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

He's the big bad of the season. Also, you've yet to explain. Where is David Harbour and Winona Ryder in this season? They're back from Russia.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, they got back. I completely forget what happened, but they survived. And now they're basically focused on protecting 11 because she basically escaped from the sort of. They're always trying to study this bitch and turn her into a weapon, kind of.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Matthew Modine.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, but I'm pretty sure he died at the end of last season. Or maybe he didn't. I think he did. I think he did.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

You're saying this because you haven't seen his beautiful white hair and just slim body this season.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I'm just saying this because I literally forget. But, like, you don't have to know what's going on to watch this show. I'm telling you, the Stranger Things fans are, like, screaming at me.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I don't think so. It feels to me as an outsider that Stranger Things has gone the way of Game of Thrones where, like, everyone is annoyed with the series by the end of the series.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

And David Harbour's whole thing this season is just keeping 11 safe. I mean, to be fair, that's his plotline, like, almost every season. And Winona Ryder is aiding in that.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

All right. I mean, there's no way that this show has a satisfying ending other than vanquishing evil. Or maybe they don't vanquish the evil. The evil takes over.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

That'd be way cooler if it had a satisfying Ending. I probably wouldn't even understand it to begin with. But I'm here for this show. To me, it always provides me with so much escapism. I love being in the little world.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

That's what the secret lives of Mormon wives does for me. I want to drive a Rivian, which they seem to all drive Rivians and live in a white hospital box house and drive to swig and get a dirty soda. That's the other thing I forgot to mention, Chelsea. They don't drink alcohol, so instead they make these disgusting soda concoctions that they call dirty soda. And finally, this woman had the great idea to just make a drive through establishment where you can get dirty sodas. So, like, for example, dirty soda is like a Dr. Pepper with like hazelnut syrup and lime and some coconut cream.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Ew, that's disgusting. I feel like if you want that vibe, it's all about those like soda machines at like a nice AMC where it's like you can put in the cherry to the Diet Coke or whatever.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

You're not talking about suicides, which is just putting every soda flavor you're talking about. Yes, those beautiful AMC machines where they give you every variation of a Diet Coke you could pile possibly get.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, also on a related note, I recently saw that McGuffins, which is the bar within AMC Theaters.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

The one at the Grove.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

There's one at the Grove. There's one at the Century City location. Wait, they have merch now?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

First of all, they have a name.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's McGuffins.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I had no idea. First of all, as we've noted, the worst bar ever.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, where do you think we're getting our disgusting tequila sodas from? And our rancid Prosecco AMC bar.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I didn't know it had a name. And now you're telling me it has merch? I bet it's as good as the service.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

There it is. I'll show you.

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[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, it's time to talk about a show that both of us have seen, which is the Beast in Me, a lifetime adjacent limited series that recently came out on Netflix. It stars Claire Danes and some guy.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

The some guy being Matthew Reese. He was in the Americans. He is a Welsh actor who has been on American television for 20 plus years. I first recognized him or I first saw him, I should say, in a show called do you remember Brothers and Sisters? That was on amc. Rachel Griffiths was in it.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I never saw it, but I remember it existing.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

He plays the gay brother.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I can imagine he plays gay very well.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

He does from my memory of that show, which I guess we were supposed to understand that Rachel Griffiths, Calista Flockhart, Matthew Rhys are all siblings.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Crazier things have happened anyway.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes. So the show the Beast in Me, if you haven't seen it, is about Claire Danes who is a writer of some sort that lives in in Oyster Bay and Matthew Rhys moves across the street, or should I say Nile Jarvis. First of all, the man is Welsh and his name is Nile Jarvis and we're supposed to understand that he comes from like a big multi generational Long Island, New York adjacent family.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Like real estate family, right?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yes. I mean it's clearly, you can see the real world references when they were creating the show. It's like, it's like a Donald Trump sort of thing. But also like what if Donald Trump was Robert Durst.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, it's what if Donald Trump was Robert Durst and Robert Durst was building.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

The Hudson Yards, which they don't even pretend. They're just like. It's called the Jarvis yard.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

We also didn't mention that Claire Dane's character is a bitter middle aged lesbian. And speaking of playing gay, she is very good. She does zero gay shit in this show, but she really nails the mannerisms. And I don't think she's ever played gay before or it's not coming to mind for me. I mean, she was in the Hours.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But I wanted to ask you, how did you feel about the sartorial choice to convey that she's a lesbian, that she constantly is wearing ill fitting chore coats and blazers?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Hey, she's a certain type of lesbian and I respect the costuming for that reason.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

So Matthew Reese or Niall Jarvis moves across the street from Claire Danes and everyone believes that he killed his previous wife and Claire Danes forms a fascination with him or something. Really. Nile Jarvis wants to befriend her because he wants to create a running path that will run behind her house and she won't give him permission.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. And he's also has a second wife who he hasn't murdered, played by Brittany Snow, who is in everything, every Netflix thing.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I will say this show, you're saying that it's Lifetime adjacent, but I do feel like Netflix has a genre where it's like it's this New York based show, a murder happens or a murder has happened before the show. There is some law enforcement character that gets enmeshed with the protagonist. The protagonist who has an uneasy friendship or relationship with the antagonist who maybe is going to kill her or not going to kill her.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think the core tenets of a Lifetime film, it's like rich white woman and someone's trying to get her ass. In the Girlfriend, which came out recently, it was her son's fiance in all her fault. It was. I'm not sane because that spoils the entire series. But it's always rich woman, nice house, someone is out to get the bitch.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

But he's not, though. I don't know how to discuss the rest. He is.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

What do you mean he's not?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Well, he does have a fair point, which is Claire Danes is suffering from writer's block. She wrote this blockbuster memoir about her bad relationship with her father, her conflicted relationship with her father, which I thought was going to play more of a role in the plots, but it feels like pick a struggle because this is a slight spoiler, but I'm gonna say it's a trigger warning because I would have loved to have known this before going into the series. Claire Danes is a fuck up because her son died in a car accident, which is how the series begins. And I almost didn't move forward with the rest of the show.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I don't care whether you'd watch the Beast in Me or not, but I will be more sensitive of that moving forward for sure. Don't watch All Her Fault.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I'm not going anywhere near that show. No, I can already tell that is not for me. But I do have questions about the Beast in me. Are we sure that Claire Deans is a good writer? What I was trying to say earlier is that Nile Jarvis, when he meets her, is like, what are you writing about now? And she's like, I'm writing about the friendship between Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Scalia. And he's like, that's a terrible book. And she's like, no, I think it'll be good. And that is a great fake bad book.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think the point was that it was boring. I think the whole thing with Claire Danes writing is that she can only really write about something in her real life. And she's written this memoir about her father, and now she's attempting to write the 2025 version of in Cold Blood about her billionaire neighbor. Which sounds like a great premise for a book.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It really does. Although he gives her the idea. Cause he's such a narcissist. He's like, you should write about me. And of course, understandably, his father is like, that's a terrible idea. He's like, no, no, no. I think this is gonna work.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

See, with the Beast in me, I feel like the first half of the show was really solid, and then it really waned at the end.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Okay, this was gonna be my point. These Netflix series need to stop being eight episodes. They need to be six episodes. Because all of these shows, you think it's building for the first three episodes. There's a lot of, like, mysterious world building. And then it always craps the bed at the end. We should just say the penultimate episode of this series is an entire episode. That is a fucking flashback.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that was unnecessary. But if you like the elevated Lifetime genre. I don't even know if they're that elevated. Actually, like, a truly elevated Lifetime film would be like, May December.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I was just gonna say May December. I don't know. I'm for this kind of show, which. Yeah, is an elevated Lifetime show. Or, you know, it's kind of soapy, what have you. It just. For me, when you find out the true intentions of the character, kind of how the plot eventually spills out, a lot of it doesn't make sense.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, you just have to suspend your disbelief. Lauren, this is lifetime logic.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

It's lifetime logic. But unlike a Lifetime film that's like a clean 88 minutes, this is eight hours long. We don't even dive into the fact at all that Britney Snow is essentially living a dead woman's life, because for basically the first six and a half hours, you're like, oh, this is Nile, Jarvis's new wife, and she's the one filling in for this dead wife, and she's got this woman's shadow that she has to live under. And then you learn in the flashback episode. Wait, she was her assistant.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

We learned that before the flashback episode.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Did we ever.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we learned that in, like, episode one. You clearly weren't paying close attention. I wasn't like, I'm pretty sure that Britney Snow actually explained that to Claire Danes verbatim. Or like, Niall. What is his name?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Jarvis.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Niall Jarvis did.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

How can you forget Jarvis Yards? We also haven't gotten into the.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

The fake AOC. Yeah, there's a fake AOC.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

AOC, which they're trying to win the fake AOC's affection so that they can continue to build Jarvis Yards. And their idea is just to give her a bunch of land that they own that she can build affordable housing on. And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. That's actually great. Yeah.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

It seems like you solved this problem completely.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I just. I need these shows to be shorter. Another Netflix show that I watched that I know you probably did not is now. I can't remember the name. I think it's Death by Lightning. It's the limited series about the President, James Garfield, who was only President for four months before he was assassinated. Michael Shannon plays the president, and Matthew McFadden, who was Tom Wob scance in succession, plays the guy that ended up assassinating him. And guess what, Chell?

Four hours.

To be fair, he was only president for a few months, but the beast in Me takes place over, what would you say, a week?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

I'd say a couple of weeks. Maybe more than that because Claire Danes has, like, started writing a whole ass book and she's already handed a chapter to her editor and been like, what do you think?

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Four chapters?

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. No, it's definitely a month has gone by at least.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I do think that if you go from House of Cards to the Perfect Couple to Now the Beast in Me like it is diminishing returns with these Prestige Limited series. Having said that, I will watch every single one.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Same. They're just comforting. That's all it is. Do I wish they were slightly better? Yes. I wish we got May Decembers all the time, but we don't live in that world.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

I feel like at this point you and I could write one of these by just doing like Mad Libs.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

We just need to combine the plot of May December. What else is a good one of the those to die for? Another one, I would say.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, just take true crime elements and dramatize them. Yeah, just take a true crime case that happened in the 90s and put it through a Shandra Rhymes drama machine.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Let's get to work.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

All right, on that note, we will say goodbye for this week and we'll be back next week to talk about God knows what.

[Podcast Host Chelsea Fairless]

Who the fuck knows. Bye guys.

[Podcast Host Lauren Garrone]

Bye.

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