Are There Really Any 2A Friendly States? (Episode 79)

Summary

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Everything Guns – Episode 79

"Are There Really Any 2A Friendly States?"

Hosts: David Smith & Jody Smith
Date: June 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

David and Jody return (a week behind schedule) to dig into whether there are truly any gun-friendly (“pro-2A”) states left in America. Exploring current gun news, a new firearm up for review, use-of-force scenarios, and a deep-dive into Washington State’s gun laws, the duo brings their blend of dry humor, skepticism, and practical advice for armed citizens. The episode wraps up with a breakdown of the FAST shooting drill and a look ahead at upcoming range activities.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Are There Any Truly "Pro-2A" States?

(Starts ~01:51)

• Core Premise: States labeled “pro-2A” still have complex, restrictive gun laws; “there is not” a truly gun-friendly state according to the hosts.
• David: “It does not look like we do.” (01:51)
• Multiple examples throughout the news segment illustrate how even so-called constitutional carry and gun-friendly states have unexpected legal pitfalls.

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2. Recent Gun News

(03:02—13:09)

A. James Harden Arrest in Texas

(03:02—08:10)

• Incident: NBA star James Harden was arrested in Houston for having an unholstered pistol visible in his car.
• David & Jody criticize both media coverage and law enforcement:
  • David: “It shouldn't have been illegal to begin with. The cops shouldn't have arrested him.” (05:40)
  • Jody: “It's ridiculous that they arrested him. Ridiculous.” (05:55)
• Irritation over Texas’s “constitutional carry,” which still punishes minor technicalities such as having an unholstered firearm in view.
• Discussion about how even celebrities are subject to laws that seem at odds with the Second Amendment.
• Memorable quote:
  • David: “That cup holder was my holster.” (04:49)

B. Florida’s 3-Day Waiting Period Ruled Unconstitutional

(09:14—09:43)

• Florida is removing the 3-day waiting period on firearm purchases, following a landmark court ruling.
• Hosts argue it was unconstitutional from the start.

C. Felon Gun Rights in the Fifth Circuit

(09:49—10:32)

• Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging restoration of rights to a non-violent felon (failed to pay child support).
• David is hopeful for more restoration of rights going forward.

D. ATF Criticism in the Adamiak Case

(10:36—11:24)

• Cam & Co. interview highlights ATF Director’s lack of concern for facts, instead focusing on sentence length.

E. Tennessee Law on Landlords & Firearms

(11:28—12:50)

• New TN law (SB0350, effective Jan 2027): Landlords can’t ban tenants from having firearms, but government housing is exempt.
• David: “They want to maintain their power over people.” (12:31)

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3. Firearm Review: Cobra CB38 Derringer

(13:42—17:32)

• David reviews a consignment firearm he has listed: Cobra CB38 Derringer in .38 Special, over-under double barrel.
  • Less than 10 rounds fired, not fun to shoot but very compact and pocketable.
  • Rosewood handle, black matte finish, original manual and box.
  • David: “It's a good looking little gun … excellent condition … smooth external lines and minimal protrusions.” (16:07)
• Humor around Jody’s teasing and “book” regulations for firearm transfers.

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4. Use-of-Force Case Studies

(17:32—30:35)

A. Home Invasion in California

(18:17—23:54)

• Armed intruder (shotgun) breaks into home after stabbing own girlfriend.
• Father responds to screaming/gunshots, returns home, is shot at, and shoots/kills intruder.
• No charges yet, but homeowner arrested/questioned—hosts stress the reality of post-shooting arrest.
• Key Lessons:
  • Always be “ready,” carry when you can.
  • Even justified shooters may be arrested and need legal protection.
  • David: “You should be prepared to be arrested in these type of events because you shouldn’t really talk to the police.” (21:15)
  • Morality: “If you don’t go over there and do something, you’re a coward.” (24:10)

B. Carjacking Scenario

(24:23—30:32)

• Carjacker fleeing from accident tries to steal car with father, wife, child inside. Father is pulled out but draws and shoots carjacker as he takes vehicle.
• No charges filed yet.
• Discussion on legal/moral justification: “He couldn’t have been aware whether or not his family had gotten out” (28:21), so lethal force likely justified.
• Advice:
  • Be careful what you tell police—wait for lawyer, memory may be flawed due to adrenaline.
  • David: "Everything you say will be used whether it’s true or not." (30:47)

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5. Washington State Gun Law Deep Dive

(31:23—42:36)

• Ownership: 42.1% of households have firearms (ranked 35th US).
• Concealed Carry: Permit required, no constitutional carry. Reciprocity is limited to only 10 states.
• Waiting Period: 10-day mandatory wait for all firearms purchases.
  • David: “It takes less than 30 minutes to get a background check back and they’re waiting 30 days to issue a license.” (36:49)
• Sensitive Locations: Expansive list of gun-free zones—including all parks, playgrounds, public libraries, aquariums, etc.
  • Jody: “I don’t even know where you carry.” (35:25)
  • David: “Sounds like in your home is the only place.” (35:30)
• Open Carry: Allowed, but with many restrictions and risks of being charged for "brandishing."
• "Assault Weapons" Ban: Sale/manufacture/import of many types of semiautos banned.
• Magazines: >10 rounds banned for sale/import—importing from out of state is a gross misdemeanor.
• Transfers: All must go through FFLs.
• Civil Immunity: Only in limited circumstances after criminal acquittal; doesn’t block lawsuits.
• Red Flag Laws: In effect; marijuana users federally banned from gun ownership.
• Theme Conclusion:
  • “There’s no pro-2A government, state, or whatever.” (39:12)
  • David: “We talk about you can’t even drive through freaking Texas without being arrested. ... So it’s just frustrating that nothing ever changes. Just gets worse.” (42:56)

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6. Drill Discussion: The FAST Drill

(43:42—48:07)

• Overview: Fundamentals, Accuracy, Speed Test (FAST)—two head shots, reload, four body shots at 7 yards (from concealment).
• Both David and Jody share times (consistently below 7 seconds) and note the drill’s value for stress, accuracy, and safe gun handling.
  • Jody: “It’s a good drill. Makes you draw, makes you focus.” (46:39)
  • David: “Works on fundamentals, accuracy, and speed. ... Definitely going to do it some more.” (46:44)
• Plan to have less practiced shooters run the drill in future episodes.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "It shouldn't have been illegal to begin with. The cops shouldn't have arrested him."
  — David, discussing James Harden case (05:40)
• "If you don’t go over there and do something, you’re a coward."
  — David, on family response in home invasion (24:10)
• "You gotta be careful what you say to the police. ... Wait for your lawyer. Let them do the extra explaining."
  — David & Jody, repeatedly throughout use-of-force segments (28:54)
• "There’s no pro2a government, state, or whatever."
  — David, on the absence of truly gun-friendly jurisdictions (39:12)
• Strong brotherly banter, practical advice, and recurring frustration at the patchwork of laws.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:51: Main topic intro—Do pro-2A states exist?
• 03:02: News: James Harden’s arrest
• 09:14: Florida waiting period ruled unconstitutional
• 09:49: Fifth Circuit/Supreme Court felon rights
• 11:28: Tennessee landlords and firearms
• 13:42: Cobra CB38 Derringer review
• 17:32: Use-of-force home invasion scenario (California)
• 24:23: Use-of-force carjacking scenario
• 31:23: Washington gun law deep dive
• 43:42: The FAST shooting drill

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Tone & Style

Informally direct, frequently irreverent, and deeply skeptical of government overreach—full of wisecracks, jabs, and practical asides. Both hosts stress personal responsibility, awareness, and the necessity of legal caution for armed citizens.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode of Everything Guns is a pointed critique of the idea that any state in the US is fully supportive of Second Amendment rights. Through news discussion, case law, practical reviews, and lived experience, David and Jody make a compelling case that no state lives up to the “pro-2A” label. Listeners come away armed (pun intended) with both practical gun use and real-world legal insight, not to mention a few laughs.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome back to Everything Guns Episode 79.

[B]

I'm David. You're Jody.

[A]

Yep. So we're going to start off with some news and try to determine whether or not there are any pro2a states, which I'm. I think there is not. Gonna hit some. A gun review that I've got posted up on Gunbroker for one of my customers, a little derringer that we're going to talk about.

[B]

You got a gun review posted?

[A]

No, we're going to talk about a gun that I've got posted. I got.

[B]

You said we're going to do a gun review that I got posted on gun.

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We're going to do a gun review of a gun I have on gunbroker. Are you that stupid?

[B]

You're going to do a gun review of a gun?

[A]

We're going to do a review of a gun. Start over if you keep up.

[B]

Start over.

[A]

Starting over. Stupid. Starting over. Pissing me off.

[B]

Let's go, man. Whatever. There we go. No, we starting over now. You can't tell. We going to start over and I'll start over.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

What's wrong with you? It sounded like we was going. You had a gun review on gunbroker.

[A]

All right, we're starting over.

[B]

That's what it sounded like. All right, we're starting over. Why you get upset over.

[A]

We're starting over now

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tell me when. Hey, when there's a pause for any length of time, then just start.

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It's a dumb.

[B]

Now what?

[A]

Welcome back to Everything Guns Episode 79.

[B]

I'm David.

[A]

I'm Jody. And we're a week late because David had to take his little vacation to Alaska.

[B]

Went to Alaska. Man. That's nice. Just had some good weather.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

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But yeah, my wife asked me how your trip went. I don't know. I didn't ask him.

[B]

We're good. I sent you a picture of a. Well, yeah, I saw that.

[A]

And. And a moose.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Two.

[A]

Two mes. I don't know. Definitely ain't me. So I just made that up. We're going to start off this episode with some news and try to determine whether or not we do have any pro2a states, which does not look like we do. Gonna hit some. Gonna hit a review of a gun that I've got up on Gunbroker for one of my customers. A little derringer. Pretty neat little gun. Gonna do some use of force cases. They're different. One home invasion, one carjacking. But you'll see some similarities between the two Got a theme. Got a theme on this?

[B]

Do I have to come up with the theme?

[A]

Yeah, well, if you don't, you're an. And then we're gonna talk about some Washington good laws, and then we'll talk about that fast drill we ran. That's a little bit pressure on me. Now, the fast drill, the fundamentals accuracy speed test. Yeah, we did that. We're gonna shoot that again next weekend. I got some. I got some other people coming out. That's not.

[B]

Hey, maybe you can actually get it. Get it this time.

[A]

I got it with my. Yeah, we'll talk about it and whatever. Such an idiot. All right, with that, let's jump into some news. And this first one, if you're a sports fan, you probably saw this on the news because it was just the other day where James Harden was arrested in Houston for having a gun in his vehicle. And the news media just irritates me on this story when you start trying to find it. You got one news media said he was pulled over for a traffic violation. He got another that he was following behind some friends, and one of his friends in a vehicle in front of him got pulled over. So he pulled over behind him, which is what actually happened. So one of the cars that was in front of him gets pulled over for a traffic violation.

[B]

He thought it was in Houston.

[A]

Yeah, in Houston.

[B]

Houston, Texas.

[A]

Yeah. So he used to play for Houston. Now he plays for Cleveland. I'm not sure where his residence is, whether it's in Houston or Cleveland. To me, it didn't matter once we started getting into this story and why it irritates me so much. So he gets out of his car once his friend gets pulled over, walks up, starts talking to the police officers, and I guess one of the other police officers went back and looked in his vehicle because they. They were able to view a pistol in a cup holder, unholstered on holstered pistol and a cup holder. So they arrested him on carrying that firearm in his vehicle in the open. Now, in Texas, it is a constitution carry state, and this is what it's talking about. Do we have any Pro2H dates? And you know, it could have been so easy for this police officer. You got to put that gun.

[B]

If he'd have had a license to carry in. In Texas, he'd have been okay.

[A]

Yeah, he would have been okay if he had a license to carry. But since it would have been okay if it had been out of view.

[B]

Yeah, but since he didn't have a license to carry in a constitutional carry state, yeah, he had to have it in a holster. If it had been in the holster set in the cup holder, it had been fine. Yeah. But since it was not in a holster, they decided to rest it.

[A]

I would have told him that cup holder was my host, which all they

[B]

had to do was say, hey, hey,

[A]

put the gun up so we can't see it.

[B]

That's all they had to do.

[A]

But they arrested the guy.

[B]

Yeah, that was the only charge.

[A]

That was the only charge. It's a hundred dollar to get bailed out to bond out. $100 for James Harden to bond out. He probably had that in the floorboard of his car. But the irritating. I had a gun gut Boater. The irritating part is he not only. So he had to bond out. Now he's before his court case. Since he had to bond out. Part of that bond is he's. He can't have a firearm, ammunition or anything, any kind of weapon. He can't drink alcohol and he's got to go take urine urinalysis. He got to do drug tests every month for this. It shouldn't have been illegal to begin with. The cops shouldn't have arrested him.

[B]

Look at some of the comments, but. Well, there must be. There must be more to the story. Well, there's nothing. It's not being spoken of, so don't care if it was just by what's in the story. It's ridiculous that they arrested him. Ridiculous.

[A]

Now, I don't think anybody should get preferential treatment. Everybody should have been let go on this. In a constitutional case, any state we

[B]

talk about police officers should not be arrested. People over there, they should look at that and say, hey, you may not know this, but here, since you don't have a concealed carry license, you need to have that in a holster. That's all they had to do. They didn't have to arrest the guy over.

[A]

That's part of the problem with Constitution carrying all these states because there's so many little caveats to it that you can't do certain things that nobody knows all of it. So you think Constitution carry. You think you can carry a gun. I don't know why you think that. Because you got police officers that are going to do the bidding of anybody that tells them to do something and not even justify it.

[B]

Yeah, it's frustrating because it could have

[A]

been handled differently and it should have been handled differently.

[B]

Could have been. He could have been educated a little bit on what their Texas law is and then going on with life.

[A]

But no, we got to make A

[B]

big deal out of it.

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These guys weren't out robbing places or doing anything like that. And I heard, I saw some. Some comments about people. Why is James Harden having to carry a gun? He ought to be the higher security.

[B]

Who cares?

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He has a rod to carry a gun.

[B]

Yeah, he got secure. Even if he does, he can take

[A]

a channel to protect himself. Here's a guy that probably should be able to protect himself because you never know what somebody's going to try to do to him because what he's got. I mean, my goodness, I just get irritated with all the comments and talking about, yeah, he should go to jail. No, he should not go to jail.

[B]

No, it's ridiculous.

[A]

I should have never been arrested.

[B]

It's an infringement. We shouldn't have to have all these, hey, if I want to have a gun in my car, I should be able to carry my car ever how I want to carry it. Yeah, the gun's not going to go off. No, it's not a P320, was it? Right.

[A]

But you know, he wasn't even in the. He was not even in the. Why is the policeman even looking in his car?

[B]

Yeah, well, stay away from his car.

[A]

He didn't get pulled over for any reason. Ah, just irritation.

[B]

He probably shouldn't have jumped out and acted like he was your buddies either, so. Maybe not. But I'm just saying they're not your friends. Oh, no, I get that.

[A]

I thought you meant with his friend getting pulled over.

[B]

No place aren't your friends, so.

[A]

No, because I can see if we, you know, when we make trips and we have multiple vehicles going down the road, if somebody pulled over, I'd pull over and wait for them and probably get out and see what's going on.

[B]

And we need to go down the road a little bit before we do

[A]

that, I guess freaks them out.

[B]

I've seen the other videos where it does. Your safety, baby. Oh.

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Always takes precedence over everything else.

[B]

So look, what is it with you and these noises you make? Can you get out of the microphone if you going to make swallowing noises?

[A]

Shut up and just shut up for a minute. I'll move on.

[B]

Last episode was so low.

[A]

No, I think last episode low because you're stuck, stupid.

[B]

No, no, I don't think that's it.

[A]

It wasn't that low.

[B]

If it was that, we wouldn't have any listeners.

[A]

That's a fact.

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Oh, wait a minute. Hey, we got listeners. I mean, that ain't stupid.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, by the way, the packages, the gift boxes should Be going out this week.

[B]

Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah.

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Just waiting on a couple of shirts to be completed up. The other stuff's been, I think almost got done, so. Yeah, getting them out. Getting them out. Everybody gave us them.

[B]

So for six months, basically.

[A]

Yeah, we know. Six months. I think it started this in April or May.

[B]

When was your wife's surgery?

[A]

April. We mean when.

[B]

That's when you started talking about it.

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It's a month. It's been one month since she had her.

[B]

There you go.

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We started talking about this a little bit before that, but.

[B]

Well, what does it matter?

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They're fixing to go out. So if you, if you waiting on that, just be a little bit patient. We're getting that ready.

[B]

The.

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In Florida. The three day waiting period in Florida. Again, this is why I say, do we have a Pro2HD?

[B]

We do not.

[A]

A three day waiting period in Florida is about to go away. Well, shouldn't have been there to begin with. The Florida Attorney General is settling a landmark federal case that declares Florida's three day firearm purchasing waiting period unconstitutional under the second Amendment. Well, of course it is. It's an infringement, apparently. It doesn't matter though. But no, finally.

[B]

Because wait till you hear this. Today's. It's longer than that.

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Do I.

[B]

Today's got a longer delay than that.

[A]

Washington. Oh, yeah. It didn't surprise me. Didn't surprise me at all. So we got a little bit of good news. And this is seem, this is say, might seem odd, but the Supreme Court declined the Justice Department's petition to review the 5th Circuit ruling that struck down the federal lifetime felon imposition ban. And this was applied to a man whose qualifying offense was failing to pay child support. So he was charged with a felony for failing to pay child support. And they took his gun rights away from him. So this was, it was overruled. Struck down in the fifth Circuit. The Justice Department appealed it, of course. Our great 2A pro, 2A Justice Department.

[B]

Why would they even bring anything up with that?

[A]

They did and the Supreme Court declined to hear it.

[B]

Well, what's it got to do with them?

[A]

It did because I don't know, but it did. Anyway, they declined to hear that case. So it's gonna, it's gonna stay there with the fifth Circuit ruling. So hopefully we start seeing some of these riots being able to give back to some people that deserve them. I was looking at, when I was looking for news, I looked at this firearms news article and it was about the Tate Adamiak case and what the ATF director stated on the Cam Co. Interview. Now the one we talked about it might have been last episode. We talked about that. So he had our same talk, same feelings about it. Here's the. The ATF director was. Had no problem believing what the ATF said and was only concerned about the length of the term that he was imprisoned, but not the case facts itself. And so they were very critical of that.

[B]

Should have been.

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Yeah, yeah. Again, our great. To a federal government.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We got a Tennessee bill. So this might sound like good news.

[B]

Tennessee bill.

[A]

I got a bunch of that today. Right. Sound like good news.

[B]

But turns out it's Never good news.

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SB0350, which is. Which would sign into law I think here just recently. It goes into effect, but doesn't take effect until January 1, 2027. This is going to restrict landlords and this is out of Tennessee. Restrict landlords from banning tenants from lawfully possessing, carrying, transporting or storing. Storing firearms and in their homes and places that they rent.

[B]

So they can do that.

[A]

They couldn't. Or the landlords could ban them from. Yeah, right now and starting January 1st. They can't. Yeah, but that's good. Shouldn't be able to keep somebody from having an arm. But the government gave themselves an exemption. So if it's a government owned facility, say public housing, that's from the government, they can still ban you from it. So I got to think about it. You know, this is more of a power thing than anything. They want to maintain their power over people. They not let the private. Private owners of property do that. But they want to have the ability to do. They want to maintain their power. And it seems just. Just so ridiculous that they're going to somebody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So again, Pro 2A. Pro 2A.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe that's a name of a title for this episode. Pro2 a question mark or something.

[B]

No, that would suck.

[A]

Yeah, well, some of our other titles suck too, so you can piss me off on the title already.

[B]

Golly. Why you get so upset over that? That's all. I don't know.

[A]

That's all the news I had.

[B]

That's it. You got a short episode, isn't it?

[A]

It's gonna be a short episode. I only had three weeks to prep for it.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what you've been doing.

[A]

Yeah, not prepping.

[B]

Tell you that.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Not camping either, huh? Yeah.

[A]

Hope I get my.

[B]

Did you call? No. Call me. Call.

[A]

No, I don't want you to call them.

[B]

I call them tomorrow.

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Don't be scared.

[B]

I'll Call.

[A]

I didn't have my truck to go get it today. Well, we can. This is not the time to get into this right now.

[B]

Ask.

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You got your camper, I get it back this week.

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

All right, let's move on to a

[B]

review of a firearm.

[A]

This segment brought to you by Clear Creek Shooting. For all your firearm needs, check out clearcreekshooting33.com and if you look on Gunbroker, I do have a couple firearms on Gunbroker. This Derringer that we're going to talk about and I've also have a Ruger 1911 on there. I'm about to put the little Ruger American rifle on there at a pretty good price. So if you're interested, I have a where you can do an immediate checkout on the Gunbroker site. So. Hey, I got my new FFL in so I'm at my renewed FFL came in. So I'm good till 2029. All right, let me see if I can find this here. So this is a little Cobra CB38 Derringer.38 Special. It's an over under double barrel. I will say that the, it's only been, it's been shot probably less than 10 times.

[B]

So.

[A]

And that's because it's not fun to shoot. Apparently. Had a guy at work bought this thing years ago and he sold it to another guy at work and now this guy, they shot it a few times. Even with.38 special they said it was just no fun to shoot. But if you wanted something to carry in your pocket. But just it's a very small gun. It's got a 2 point derringer, 2.75 inch barrel, overall length of 4. I know it's a barrel derringer and 2.4.65 overall length.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

I mean it's a good looking little gun. It comes with the original manual, original box. I mean check it out.

[B]

Nothing.

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Little gun. Yeah, Rosewood, rosewood handle, black matte finish. It's a. It is a nice looking gun. I will say that. So let's see what else I wrote. I wrote the last little thing about it. Check this out. This is what I wrote about it. The Cobra Firearms CB38 Derringer is a compact double barrel pistol chambered in.38 Special. It features a single action mechanism and a two round capacity. The barrels measure approximately 2.75 inches in length with an overall length of about 4.65 inches. It's good stuff right here, man. What are you looking at? Oh my God.

[B]

Guys, why are you excited? You don't.

[A]

You don't want me to read all this?

[B]

No, go ahead. But I mean, you're looking at me like you wrote some manuscript. Well, I mean, I don't care. And it's not that great that you gotta be excited. The Hey, I wrote this.

[A]

That danger is used. But it's an excellent condition with less than 10 rounds fired through the pistol. The alloy frame and black finish show the characteristic configuration of the Cobra's compact pistols with smooth external lines and minimal protrusions. Good stuff right there.

[B]

Yeah, that's nice.

[A]

If anybody's interested, check out gun broker. Look up the Cobra derringer. It's it. It should pop up pretty quick. There's a few other options.

[B]

Brought it could have shut the thing. I don't have it.

[A]

I got it on consignment. So once if it sells, then he'll bring it to me, I'll put it in my books and then I'll ship it off.

[B]

He could have brought to you for the shoe.

[A]

If I. If he brings it to me now, I have to put it in my books and then if he wants it back, he has to a background check to get it back.

[B]

Well, if he just brought it to you as a friend. I can't do that. Why not? Cuz it's a business.

[A]

If it comes to me, it has

[B]

to go in my books. That don't make sense. I don't. Well, if, you know, if you're not putting it in your books, I mean if you just. Hey, hey, buddy, you want to shoot my gun? Yeah, I'll shoot your gun. You got to put it in your books. No, I don't have to do that. That's what I said. Oh, whatever. When you do that. Shot it.

[A]

Well, I asked him about. He's coming out Saturday.

[B]

I'm not going to be there.

[A]

Oh, I might shoot it. I tend to bring.

[B]

Well, too late. We already have the review now. Yeah, but I can see it does any good. Oh, whatever.

[A]

Well, I didn't have it even listed until yesterday. All right, so it didn't have it for the last weekend anyway.

[B]

Well, you ain't got it now? No, I don't have it now.

[A]

All right, let's move to some use of force because we're faking that one here. We're basically using force keys here.

[B]

You got your gun?

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

Oh my God. Have you got yours on you?

[A]

I have a dog.

[B]

Sound asleep.

[A]

Yeah, but she'll wake up if somebody comes in. She's pretty massive, so she could have put a hurt on somebody if she don't roll over for her belly to get rubbed. She almost opened her eyes. All right, I'm about to give me another dog. I'm gonna give me a little dodge.

[B]

Either.

[A]

We mean, I ain't talking about that for years. Well, now that my poor little Emma passed away, I can get me another dog.

[B]

I want it in the backyard. Yeah, like a death zone back here.

[A]

Any of my backyards.

[B]

This first.

[A]

First one is out of California. So you've got a father that shoots and kills an armed intruder, and they was breaking into his home. So basically, you had a guy, he goes next door to see one of his neighbors, and he's as. He's over there talking to his neighbors. He hears screaming coming from his house and then some gunshots. So he takes off running back toward his house, and when he gets there, he finds a guy armed with a shotgun. Now, this shot, this guy armed with a shotgun apparently had gotten into an argument with his girlfriend down the road, stabbed her.

[B]

The father's girlfriend or his own girlfriend? His own girlfriend. All right, I'm with you.

[A]

Are you not listening? It didn't have anything to do with her father.

[B]

Well, apparently it did. He shot him.

[A]

He didn't shoot the father.

[B]

The father shot him. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Do I need to start over so people are not confused about what you're trying to bring up?

[B]

Anything? You just said he got in argument with his girlfriend. I was confirming it was with the guy with the shotgun's girlfriend and not the father's girlfriend. That's all I'm saying.

[A]

All right, don't talk for a minute. Just be quiet. Just be quiet. Don't say a word, but try to listen. This guy who had come into the father's house with a shotgun, had earlier, just previously, before he got to this house to start the commotion, had gotten into an argument with his girlfriend in a car down the road. He stabbed her, got out of the car, ran up toward this house with his shotgun and was trying to break into the. Trying to go into the house. I don't know.

[B]

I got all that.

[A]

Okay, so the dad hears the commotion.

[B]

Why was he trying to go into that house?

[A]

I don't know. I guess he was just trying to find somewhere to get and get away from him. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't talk to him. I don't know.

[B]

Man, you upset the dog. You ain't had any dinner, have you?

[A]

No, I have not.

[B]

Trying to find out how you ended

[A]

up Bringing the dog. You're gonna have the same stupid questions in the next case because some stuff like that happened in there too.

[B]

Continue on. So he got in an argument, stabbed his girlfriend, ran to somebody else's house,

[A]

tries going to the house with the daughter that was in there. As he comes running to the house to find out what's going on, the guy shoots at him with the shotgun. He pulls his own firearm and fires at the intruder, striking the intruder and I believe it ended up. Ended up killing him.

[B]

Okay, so now we ain't never going

[A]

to find out why he went there. No, no, apparently not.

[B]

That's stabbed girlfriend. Tell us.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So I want to talk about it from a use of force because no charges have been filed. He was this wrong one. Hold on a second. Let's see. No charges.

[B]

I thought this guy was arrested.

[A]

Yeah, that's why I was gonna say the homeowner taken to the sheriff's office for further investigation. Case will be submitted to the DA for review. So right now there's no charges filed, but he was. He was arrested, taken to the sheriff's office because you don't just.

[B]

In question.

[A]

In question and what. We'll talk about that because we always say be prepared to be arrested in these type of events because you shouldn't really talk to the police. But it's hard to do. We'll talk about.

[B]

They probably. He probably still got arrested even if he said hey.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure.

[B]

Self defense. Yeah.

[A]

So let's talk about from use force. Readiness.

[B]

Let's talk about readiness. Is that the first one? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Good for him. He had a gun.

[A]

Good for him. He had a gun.

[B]

He had it on him, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It seems like

[B]

either was on him or readily available.

[A]

Yeah. Because he was able to get to it by the time he got back to his house.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So if he went to his neighbor's

[B]

house, situational awareness is the first one.

[A]

Okay. Well, I mean, yeah, I don't know how wary was he heard shooting and screaming coming from his house. So I think everybody have been aware of that. Good job on his part to go then readiness we already talked about. You know, I had to give him credit for that because there's sometimes where I go walk my dog around the block that I don't carry.

[B]

Really.

[A]

And so I got to get out of that habit, make sure I'm carrying as I'm walking around the block because who knows, something could happen while I'm walking around the block or something could be happening at the house when I get back. So that kind of opened my eyes a little bit.

[B]

Reminder, you knew this, but you're not carrying now.

[A]

I got my dog in here. Now are you carrying? We go. We're gonna go through this same thing again, Right? But, yeah, good job on. On being ready. Morally and. And effective. Effectiveness was effective. Yeah. And he was getting shot at with a guy with the shotgun. He was still able to draw and put. Put rounds on target. So good job on his part. It didn't seem like he. He didn't injure anyone else, so he was responsible for all of his rounds. He used it effectively. So, yeah, I mean, good job. I mean, that's.

[B]

That's tough.

[A]

Getting shot at, still being able to return return fire. So he didn't get hurt. Thank goodness. His daughter didn't get hurt. He'd stopped the threat. But he's still getting questioned. And there's still a potential for some legal aspects of this moving forward. I hope not. But you never know. Now, this is in California, so you never know what's going to happen there with that. Hopefully he. They didn't say if he legally owned that firearm or not because, you know, if he didn't, they're going to charge him with that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Whether it was a. A good use of force or not, which all accounts, it looks like it was a good use of force.

[B]

Yeah. To me, it seems lawful and moral.

[A]

Yeah. And they tried to determine, you know, there was no. No link between this guy and the family, so there was no reason to think they knew this person or that he knew them or any. Any reason.

[B]

What other options do you think he had? I don't know if he really had any.

[A]

I don't know if he had. I mean, you hear your. Your daughter, your wife, family members screaming and shooting, shot shots going on up your ass. If you don't go over there and do something, you're a coward. You're a coward. Yeah, you are. You are. Whether you have a gun or not. You've got to go over here too.

[B]

Coward. Okay.

[A]

You gotta. You've got to respond to that. You can't just call the police.

[B]

Any other option?

[A]

I don't think so either.

[B]

All right, what you got, Nate? No good on his part, I think. Good. Hopefully nothing comes out of it.

[A]

Yeah, good job, I hear. So on this next one, we've got another father. He is a theme father's. No, no, no, no. Because of Father's Day coming. Hey, that would have been a good theme. I wish I thought about that.

[B]

Yeah, well, now you're calling me Steve?

[A]

Yeah, well, this was a carjacker shot by a father. So here you got a guy. That was the.

[B]

The thing, the theme cars. Now there's two cars.

[A]

Just let me. If you'll let me get into the second story, maybe you can come up

[B]

with father shooting somebody or not.

[A]

Just guess. Just randomly guess.

[B]

Go.

[A]

You want to take another guess before I even talk about the story?

[B]

Random. I've done heard one story and part of another story.

[A]

Well, you haven't heard what connects them yet.

[B]

I thought I did. No, I've said three things I thought connected.

[A]

I told you they're all wrong. I told you if.

[B]

You know, they did not.

[A]

Okay, so you got a guy, the carjacker, who's apparently in a. In a collision with a couple other vehicles previously. So he hit a couple cars, gets out of his car and takes off

[B]

running, running, Running the thing. Running away from the.

[A]

He leaves one vehicle and goes to another place and tries to do.

[B]

That's the thing.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

Oh, that's stupid. What do you mean?

[A]

You got a guy, stabs his girlfriend.

[B]

The theme is better to be father shooting somebody.

[A]

I didn't think about that.

[B]

You're so dumb. Go on with the story.

[A]

So he gets in a car accident, tries to run away, finds a car in a parking lot. It's got a man, the father, a wife and a kid in the car. He opens the door, grabs the father, trying to pull him out of the vehicle. The wife and daughter, or wife and kid were in the back seat. They both jump out and take off running. He pulls the father out, and as he pulls him out, the guy, the father, already has a gun in the air. So he's already pulled his gun but has not yet tried to use it. As he pulls him out, the carjacker jumps into the driver's seat, where the father runs around to the opposite side to the passenger side. The wife and daughter have already moved away, and he fires through the passenger side, striking the carjacker, killing him. They take him to hospital, but I think he dies there. So we can kind of talk about this from a use of force case, whether or not we think it's justifiable or not, and his use of force and what he could have done different, he. No charges have been filed, and he was cooperating with police. I couldn't find where he was at.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But, yeah, a little worrisome. Hopefully they won't charge. Charge him with anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When he runs around to the other side and Defending property. Defending property kind of worries me. But he. The carjacker was unarmed. But you don't know that. You don't know that. You don't know.

[B]

You don't know if you're gonna try to run over you.

[A]

Yeah. No, you don't. So to me, I think I'll run over your.

[B]

Your wife and kids.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And you don't know. At that point, he. He really could have been unaware of where they were because everything that was going on, he might not have been aware of where you get that tunnel vision. He might.

[B]

Yeah. They may be in the backseat. Yeah.

[A]

He thought. He could have thought they were still in the back seat.

[B]

That's what I'd say.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'd say I didn't see him get out. I was.

[B]

I thought they were still there.

[A]

Yeah. So hopefully.

[B]

I think it's. Situational awareness is difficult because.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, a guy runs up on him and before they could do anything.

[B]

Need to be. Yeah.

[A]

Could have had. Could have been in the vehicle with the doors locked, but I mean.

[B]

Yeah, you gotta get out at some point.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So.

[B]

So seems like he was ready readiness.

[A]

He had the gun already drawn out even as he was getting pulled out of the vehicle. So he must have had it on him or had it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Readily available in his vehicle.

[B]

He was accurate and effective.

[A]

I wonder if it was in a holster or. Or outside of a host or laying in the seat.

[B]

Probably not. But yeah, he. Active and effective. He moved.

[A]

He gained an advantage by moving around the vehicle. Got a shot. Yeah. Yeah. So he didn't. Like I said, he didn't know if the guy was armed. And to our. To your point, he. He couldn't have been unaware whether or not his family had gotten out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think.

[B]

I think it's both lawful and moral. So.

[A]

Yeah, as long as he didn't say yes. My family ran off, and I just didn't want him stealing my car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why you got to be careful what you say to the police.

[B]

Be careful what you say when you're cooperating. And that's what.

[A]

You know, I meant to talk about that in the first case. So we said the man was arrested and went to the sheriff's office for further question. And as much as you want to tell the cops, hey, man, I didn't do anything wrong. Yeah. And explain to the police officers what happened.

[B]

Wait for your lawyer.

[A]

Yeah, you got to be careful. Just take the trip to the sheriff's office. Wait for your lawyer. Let them do the extra explaining.

[B]

Yeah, because they're.

[A]

Like you said before, they're not your buddies.

[B]

No, they're.

[A]

Absolutely. They're there to make a case for the D. A. Regardless who it is. Yeah. They're there to investigate a shooting, and then they can charge you with something. Going to do it. Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

And it sounds like this guy was cooperating with the police, probably on. On the scene. Again, you got to be careful with that.

[B]

So. Yeah. Just because you got to protect yourself. Do you think he. Other than being a little more situationally aware, not. Not being overtaken by somebody running up to.

[A]

Yeah, I think once he. He was removed from the vehicle and was moving around in the back, if he knew his family was safe, he could have let the car gone. Could have not. You know, I'm not saying that's a great option. I'm just saying that's something he could have done.

[B]

What about if he just shot the tires?

[A]

I think it's stupid. You think the guy would have stopped with flat tires?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I do.

[A]

Have a punch you in the face. That's a dumb.

[B]

What else.

[A]

What are the options?

[B]

That's on the options, you think?

[A]

Yeah, I think he has one or two options. He either stops the threat and do what he did, or he lets the car get stolen, call the police, and the police do what they did. So, you know, hopefully with. Hopefully they. This doesn't go to a jury trial or a DA Finds the need to charge this guy because they're gonna. You know, the carjacker being unarmed could be troublesome for him. I don't think it should be. I'm just saying, with the jury, I don't want to trust.

[B]

I didn't know he was not.

[A]

And I would definitely say I didn't know where my family was. I thought they were still in the car. So that's what I would. It's exactly what I said.

[B]

But I think both of the two. Both were justified.

[A]

Yeah, but you know that that's hard to. To say something like that in the heat of the moment where you're not thinking clearly. You don't have. That's why you lose some of your memory. You don't have any. Can't recall facts straight. That's why you got to wait.

[B]

You want to wait.

[A]

There's a lot of things that's happening to you physically during those type of events when you got that adrenaline rolling that you want to be careful of before you say anything that can get you up in trouble, because everything you say is going to be Used whether it's true or not. And if it's not true, they're going to say, well you said this and this was obviously a lie. So you guys got to be careful. If you say you shot two times and it's actually five times about everything. Yeah, yeah. So just be careful in those type of occasions. That's all I have for use of force. You know, move on into some Washington gun laws, man.

[B]

Yeah, I guess.

[A]

What do you mean short episode. Before we, before we jump to your stuff, let's just talk about the ranking of Washington. They're ranked 35th in the United States for gun ownership with 42.1% of individuals having one, at least one firearm in their household. And you cannot bypass the next background check with their concealed carry license. So a couple, couple of items there from Washington. Not surprising. I just said that, didn't it? You cannot. You know what, I can look it up. It did say something about it.

[B]

Fingerprints.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[B]

They require fingerprinting. So open carry is legal for 21 or older without a permit. But heavily restricted in gun free zones. We'll bring up gun free zones shortly. Concealed carry is permit required. There is no constitutional carry. You have to have a. And I'll get into concealed carry license in a minute. But there you have to have a concealed carry license. To carry concealed still must be 21 rotor 21 for purchase handguns and for CPL eligibility. The minimum purses age for a bolt action, pump action or single shot long gun is 18. There are only currently 10 states that meet the, the specific criteria to be able to have a, to be a. To have reciprocity with Washington. And I'll. I can just tell you those right now. You ready? Here's the 10 states. Idaho with the enhanced permit only from Idaho, Kansas with its standard license only. Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, if you have the enhanced permit. North Carolina, North Dakota if you have a Class 1 North Dakota permit. Ohio, South Dakota and then Utah. As long as you have Utah, provisional concealed firearm permit is not recognized though. So you got Utah, South Dakota, Ohio, North Carolina, North Dakota, North Carolina, Montana, Michigan, Louisiana, Kansas, Idaho are the 10 states that have reciprocity with some limits with. From those states. So, so that's, that's the states. Did you hear? Alabama. There is no duty to inform, but you must show your CPO upon request. Request by an officer. CPL required for loaded handguns in a. In a vehicle. Long guns must be unloaded in a vehicle. In a vehicle. Yeah. And if you have a. And handguns must be unloaded and locked away. If you don't have a consult carry license the sensitive places this is some of the top ones. Schools, courthouses, correction facilities, daycare centers, licensed mental health facilities, parks, libraries, zoos, transit centers open carry restricted on state capitol grounds and while attending protests. So let's say where you go you can't even go to a park.

[A]

I hate these sensitive areas. That's just a way they get around brewing.

[B]

All right. So effective on May 1st, 2027 there will be a permit to purchase sensitive places expansion is of mid-2025. Let's see they added aquariums I already said the public libraries and the transit facilities. Let's see I don't know because I didn't just get everywhere is of a bill passed and for this year and they're going to add to that list of sensitive areas all playgrounds, parks, amusement parks, recreational swimming areas or all now gun free zones. I don't even know where you carry

[A]

Sound like in your home sound like it's the only place you can carry. They try to ban that. It's sensitive because there's kids there.

[B]

So open carrier like I said is legal for 21 or older who legally allowed to put as a firearm. However, Washington law prohibits brandishing displaying a weapon in in a way that manifests an intent to intimidate or warrants alarm. Crucially, open carry is prohibited in all sensitive places listed below Even if you have a permit all those places.

[A]

So let's say you've got a. You've got a gun, you're open carrying and you just kind of turn it to show it to somebody. Could that could that be considered brandishing

[B]

the white out police?

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Yeah, probably so. Okay so here's how you get a so to to get a conceal pistol license in in Washington must be 21 or older have no felony conventions, no pending criminal charges and no outstanding warrants. There is no range. No range training is required for a CPL though the upcoming 2027 permit to purchase will require in person safety training. So currently there's no but it will be it's going to change in 2027.

[A]

Is there any do you know of any court cases they've got pending on any of that stuff So I would hope so.

[B]

The initial fee is 49.25 agencies have 30 days to issue. 60 days if the applicant does not have a Washington ID.

[A]

30 days. That's so ridiculous.

[B]

30 days it takes.

[A]

It takes less than 30 minutes to get a background check back and they're waiting 30 days to issue a license.

[B]

There's no reason Private property signage signs prohibiting fires on private property like malls or grocery stores do not have the specific force of law in Washington. But they serve as a notice. If you remain on the property after being asked to leave, you can be charged with criminal trespass.

[A]

Yeah, I mean that's any kind of trespass. Anytime they ask you leave it on private property property. I mentioned that 30 minutes. That's basically what Florida is going to. You can't delay providing a permit any longer than it takes to do the background check. So if your background check takes three days because sometimes they'll get delayed, then of course you can't get the permit. But if it's, if it's a instantaneous background check, then you should be able to get your permit.

[B]

So even, even in vehicle carry, even if you had a concealed pistol license, you still all long guns, rifles, shotguns were always illegal if they're loaded inside a vehicle.

[A]

That's ridiculous.

[B]

All right, so off arm transfers including province sales must be conducted through a ffl. Let's see what else we got. Assault weapons ban the sale manufacturing import of semi automatic rifles defined as assault weapons. Weapons is prohibited. Possession of those already owned is grandfathered. All firearm purchases are subject to a mandatory 10 business day waiting period. Seller distribution of magazines holding more than 10 rounds is prohibited. Possession is currently, currently legal. Washington state prohibits the sale of any firearm frame or receiver that does not possess a valid serial number. Construction and or manufacturing of untraceable firearms is prohibited by state law.

[A]

All right, so to get a concealed carry permit can take up to 30 days if you just go buy a firearm whether it's for home protection without a concealed carry permit or with a concealed 10. So the FFL did it's gotta hold that for 10 days.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Why? Because they want to so ambiguous and

[B]

it used to be.

[A]

They used to say it's a cool down period. That's why they used to do this. It's. It's just bull crap.

[B]

Hey, let's put down one of the conservatives. Oh, I know. Oh no, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

There's no pro2a government state or whatever.

[B]

Nobody. There is no duty retreat. There is no, there's. Yeah, it has cancel doctrine. Proportionality. Use of force is lawful only when induced is not more than is necessary. Deadly force is only justified if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. They do have civil immunity. Washington law provides a mechanism for a defendant to be awarded legal fees and costs if they are found not guilty by reason of self defense in a criminal trial but does not automatically stop a civil lawsuit from been filed. Which makes no sense. Yeah.

[A]

I mean if, if you're, if you're showing you you're use self defense legally you shouldn't.

[B]

Shouldn't be able to.

[A]

Should be some, some benefit from that. From a civil lawsuit.

[B]

I didn't look.

[A]

See how Alabama handles that. We need to look at that. I don't remember.

[B]

Probably not good.

[A]

All right.

[B]

So interstate.

[A]

You know why? So you know why it's probably not good?

[B]

Because no state is 2A.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. So if you're just traveling through, you can travel through Washington where they farm. If it is loaded. Huh?

[A]

With a what?

[B]

Firearm. Okay. You can travel through Washington with a firearm if it is unloaded and locked. A container trunk provided you you are legal at your start and end points.

[A]

Man, don't you know the police?

[B]

I don't care about your end point. No, I don't know why they care

[A]

that so they can ask you where you headed. That's why.

[B]

What does it matter?

[A]

Where are you coming from? Where are you headed? Let me see that id. Let me search your car.

[B]

Flying like anyone must follow TSA baseline. Unloaded, locked hard side decays declared at the ticket counter. National parks allowed in national parks per state laws. Pro but prohibited inside federal buildings.

[A]

By the way, I want to say we're not anti police. I just want to want the police to be pro second amendment. I want them to be in pro

[B]

rights, pro constitutional rights and not just arrest people. To arrest people. Yeah. Otherwise we're going to turn into Canada and England.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Where they're just arresting people because they want to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Does Washington have a red flag law?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yes they do. Extreme risk protection order. Allow police or family members to petition a court to temporary remove the fires from someone in crisis. Is marijuana use a problem for gun owners? Of course it is. Because firearms are regulated fairly federally. The ATF considers any marijuana user and not unlawful user making them ineligible to possess firearms. Yeah, that regardless of Washington state law.

[A]

Yeah, that's going to end up changing here pretty soon with the Supreme Court case I think. But we'll see.

[B]

What is the assault weapon definition in Washington?

[A]

What do you think? Oh, I imagine it's pretty vague.

[B]

It includes many semi automatic rifles based on features like threaded barrels, toting stocks or even just being a specific list of name models. You cannot. I already said you can't buy a 15 round magazine in or. No, I. I just said you can't have them. But you can't buy one in Oregon and bring it. Bring it home. By the way, bringing a magazine over 10 rounds into Washington from another state is considered importing, which is a gross misdemeanor.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Importing. Good grief.

[B]

So that's Washington. Washington, like we assumed was going to be. Sucks.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

For. For second amendment. No.

[A]

No surprises at all from.

[B]

Right.

[A]

From what we. What you just went through.

[B]

None.

[A]

No surprise.

[B]

Very frustrating on all these states. All these states. Right. But all these things are so different. And it's just.

[A]

They're different. And it's like there's not a real Pro2A.

[B]

You know, we talk about you can't even drive through freaking Texas without being arrested. Right. Yes. It's ridiculous. So it's just frustrating that nothing ever changes. That just gets worse. And the laws are. I mean, just. If I'm just. Just traveling across the country.

[A]

Well, we've seen.

[B]

You got to know so many different laws just to travel across country. It's ridiculous.

[A]

And the impact it has on people when they get arrested for this stuff. Nobody cares what impact it has on people for not doing anything wrong. Just get caught up in the system and. And paying for it for years and losing rights. Just. Just ridiculous. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

[B]

All right, let's talk about a drill.

[A]

All right, so this. This, like I said, this is called the fast drill. Look it up. Pretty cool little drill. Definitely going to do it some more. It. We did it with a. I will say it was a little bit more on the difficulty scale from the target we were using compared to the target that is identified for the fast drill. Because the hours we use the USPSA target with a smaller hitbox. The body shots. Not a difficult shot from the A zone to the body, but the headshot to a two four. Two by four head box is. Is a difficult, difficult shot to do quickly, especially for.

[B]

Yeah. It's set up seven yards away from the target. You put two into the head box, you draw a slide lock. Draw the slide lock. Yep. Draw two in the head box. Slide lock, mag change four in the body. Yep.

[A]

And I will say I was happy with my groupings. Even. Even the head shots where I would most of the time come a little low. My groupings were still really good. My groupings on the body were really good. I was consistently well under six seconds

[B]

for all of them.

[A]

But I did. I didn't do. Not at one clean run with my concealed carry.

[B]

I had.

[A]

I had the run going. I got Excited. After I got the. When I. When I saw the two head shots go perfect. And then I pulled one a little bit to the right getting on one of the body shots.

[B]

So just to give you the ranking, if it 10/ seconds is a novice, less than 10 seconds is an intermediate, less than 7 seconds is advanced, less than 5 seconds is expert.

[A]

Yeah. And we were consistently under that 7.

[B]

Yeah, I had a good. I had a run 6.6.38. And then the first time I got it, I was at 6.71.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that's what felt like I slowed down a 6.38.

[A]

Yeah. Those are good clean runs.

[B]

Oh, nice. Good groupings. Good, good clean runs. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's from concealment too. Yeah, that's.

[A]

Yeah, I know you're emphasizing that because I did. I did a run with. With my. With a hose outside the waistband holster using my competition pistol.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I ran that one clean in 6.02. So.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't shoot mine. I probably could have done that in four seconds.

[A]

All right, well, I definitely can do it under six. I don't know if I can do it under five. I'm gonna run it. I'm gonna run it a few more times. I. I was having difficulty and I drilled a shoe. Oh, it is. I'm focusing on my dot too much with my concealed carry gun. My echelon. I'm not fine. I'm just not finding my dot. My index. My draw is terrible. My indexing is not good. I see my dot much better draw look bad. I'm not focusing on that spot dot on the target. I'm more interested in trying to look through that.

[B]

Almost look like you went up on your toes.

[A]

You know what I think I'm gonna do? I'm gonna occlude my dot the next time and run it that way and see how I do it that way with the included dot. Yeah, I need to do that more. So I think it's a good drill

[B]

and gets a lot of different things. It gets. It's a good. Makes you draw, makes you focus.

[A]

Yeah. It works on fundamentals, accuracy and speed.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. That's almost like what it's called.

[A]

Yeah, it's like.

[B]

It's called. Yeah, that's a good drill. I like it. I'm gonna do it again.

[A]

Yeah. So I got a couple guys coming out this weekend. They're supposed to come out this weekend to shoot. So we're gonna set up some stages. Run some stages. I know one of the guys is gonna run this fast. Row with me. I don't think the other two guys will.

[B]

No, probably not.

[A]

But the one guy I know, he will because he wants to. He wants to run.

[B]

I bet Tony would do it.

[A]

Tony might.

[B]

Hey, Tony, run that drill. I know you. Listen, run the drill, Tony.

[A]

We'll see.

[B]

We won't make fun of you.

[A]

I couldn't get to the button, but yeah, cool little drill. Now, I will say for the next several weeks, we might not have a drill to talk about in our next couple episodes because we're going to be postponing some shooting for a couple weeks or maybe a month to do some workout at the cabin and the land. We got a lot of work to do, a lot of work to do. So we gotta. We gotta focus on getting some stuff done this summer. Yeah, long overdue. We got to redo the whole inside of the cabin. Just clean up work at the range. Yeah. So it's gonna be quite a bit of work to do over the next few several weeks. Probably a month. So it might be. Might be a couple episodes before we do another drill. But I will talk about this drill again in the next episode with what happens with some more novice shooters.

[B]

Well, people that don't shoot as much as us.

[A]

That's why I said more novice shooters than we are. That's why I said that. Yeah, with that.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's really all I've got. You got anything else?

[B]

No, we're less than 50 minutes. That's. Good job on you. All right, well, buddy, be prepared, all right?

[A]

Whatever we are, everything, guns.

[B]

We're out. Three years, three weeks.

[A]

Yeah. Good job.

[B]

Had my part.

[A]

All kinds, information on mine. All kinds of.