Here's One More Before I Leave! (Episode 70)

Summary

Everything Guns – Episode 70: "Here's One More Before I Leave!"

Hosts: David and Jody Smith
Date: February 3, 2026

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Overview

In episode 70 of "Everything Guns," David and Jody return for their third consecutive weekly episode with a focus on gun and gear reviews, Second Amendment (2A) rights, recent gun-related legal news, and self-defense scenarios. The episode opens with corrections from previous discussions, revisits the importance of consistency in 2A advocacy, covers the latest legal developments (including ATF actions and court cases), and closes with reviews of gun accessories and a legal overview of Oregon’s firearms laws.

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Main Themes & Structure

• Addressing Corrections: Clearing up misconceptions from the previous episode about gun parts and episode content plans.
• Pro-2A Consistency: Doubling down on their non-partisan, strictly pro-Second Amendment stance amidst ongoing political hypocrisy.
• News & Current Events: Legislative updates, ATF activities post-SHOT Show, and discussion of recent legal actions.
• Self-Defense Scenarios: Analyzing two recent cases—one actual use of force, one missed opportunity—drawing tactical and legal lessons.
• Gear Reviews & Updates: Discussing holsters, stocks, optics, and firearms waiting in the wings for further review.
• State Law Focus: Quick overview of Oregon’s gun laws and permitting landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Corrections & Clarifications

• Mistaking Suppressors for Compensators
  • Last episode, they incorrectly referred to compensated barrels as suppressed barrels on the Canik Prime and Prime Radian models.
    • Quote (Jody, 00:29): "We made a comment about that being a kind of comp. Or a suppressed barrel in both of those. And those are compensated barrels, not suppressed barrels."
• Use of Force Clips
  • The previously teased discussion of an ICE-related shooting will not be a use-of-force review, only a legal 2A angle.

2. 2A Advocacy & Political Hypocrisy

• Non-Partisan Stance
  • The hosts reaffirm their "pro-2A, not pro-Republican or pro-Democrat" identity.
  • Quote (Jody, 01:56): "This podcast is a pro 2A podcast. Not a pro Republican, pro Democratic podcast or pro Trump Trump podcast."
• Hypocrisy on Both Sides
  • Both left and right are called out for inconsistency: right-wingers who quickly disown the 2A rights of those they disapprove of; left-wingers for using 2A as political ammunition rather than consistent principle.
    • Quote (David, 06:25): "The hypocrisy on both sides is irritating."
• Legal Nuances – Carry Laws
  • Dissecting the difference between carrying illegally vs. minor permit infractions (e.g., citation for missing permit in Minneapolis is not criminal).

3. Notable News & Legal Updates

• ATF & Rare Breed Trigger Lawsuit ([08:50])
  • ATF files statement of interest in a patent suit, after previously settling with Rare Breed and promising support if they targeted other similar triggers.
  • Quote (Jody, 09:18): "So here you got the ATF saying that they're going to be Pro2A... then they sign on with an organization that's suing up another guy for making a trigger."
• Potato Registered as a Silencer ([10:16])
  • NAGR staffer registers a potato as a suppressor to highlight ATF’s vague definitions.
  • Quote (Jody, 11:16): "He successfully registered a potato with the ATF as a silencer... just shows you how silly it is."
• NFA Application Surge ([11:53])
  • 300,000 suppressor applications filed in three weeks; process is faster, but suppressors are still deemed too expensive and restricted.
• Uvalde Update ([13:01])
  • Officer who hesitated during the shooting cleared of wrongdoing.
• Maryland's Gun Ban Upheld ([13:25])
  • Fourth Circuit Court supports Maryland’s "sensitive places" ban; discussion about the lack of consequences for lawmakers enacting unconstitutional laws.
• Supreme Court & Hawaii's "Sensitive Places" Law ([15:25])
  • Oral arguments suggest skepticism about Hawaii’s approach; Hawaii argued using a racist 1865 Louisiana law as relevant "history and tradition."
  • Quote (Jody, 16:24): "During the arguments, the Hawaii lawyers... used a, an 1865 Louisiana law that prevented blacks from having firearms, arguing that it met the test of history and tradition."
• Hawaii Senate Bill 2720 ([16:55])
  • Proposed fund for firearm injury restitution—gunmakers must pay into a state fund as a prerequisite for sales.

4. Self-Defense Scenarios & Analysis

Case 1: Utah Fitness Center Carjacking ([18:40])

• Incident: Woman shot during attempted carjacking at 10:45pm; managed to return fire and injure the assailant.
  • Discussion focuses on her preparedness, situational awareness, legal right to self-defense, and where she might have stored her firearm.
  • Quote (Jody, 21:15): "We can bypass legal and moral. Of course, she was definitely had the legal authority to protect herself, and it was morally correct for her to use lethal force."
• Practical Lesson: Encouragement for listeners to stay aware and keep defensive tools accessible, especially at night or in secluded areas.

Case 2: Office Robbery Video ([24:49])

• Incident: Multiple victims in office are robbed; one had an opportunity to draw but hesitated, resulting in a fatal shooting of a third party.
  • Analysis on timing, opportunities to use force, and running mental scenarios.
  • Quote (Jody, 26:28): "[The victim] could have pulled his gun at this point and used it, but he did not... you’ve got to take your opportunity when it presents itself."
• Lesson: Run through potential defense scenarios in advance; don't hesitate when safe opportunity presents itself.

5. Gear Reviews & Updates

• Canik MC9LS Range Report Delayed ([07:53], [29:31])
  • David unable to review his new Canik due to weather/storm cleanup; plans ongoing.
  • Awaiting new Zafus Elite holster from Tier One—review promised soon.
• Canik Prime Radian & New Optics ([30:26])
  • Expected arrival in March/April, with new optics in the $200–$250 range.
• Odin Zulu Stock for AR-15 ([31:46])
  • Jody installed and tested a new stock, noting improved recoil feel; minor challenge cited with parts flying during install.
• EOTech Battery Debate ([34:24])
  • Light-hearted disagreement on the type of battery required for Jody’s EOTech optic.

6. State Gun Law Focus: Oregon ([35:35])

• Quick Facts
  • 21 for concealed carry; must take a training course or prove competency via competition/military experience.
  • Oregon not a constitutional carry state.
  • Open carry allowed at 18.
  • Red flag laws on the books.
  • Concealed carry required for parks/national forests.
  • No duty to inform law enforcement if carrying.
• Hosts’ Banter
  • Candid, self-deprecating reflections on their own competition shooting mishaps.
  • Quote (David, 38:02): "I hit one. One of them went down. I think I hit the ground. And it just ricocheted up to it."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the necessity for 2A consistency:
  • David (05:39): “Your belief in the second Amendment doesn't disappear at the moment person, a person carrying isn't on your team.”
• On the challenges of holding lawmakers accountable:
  • Jody (14:25): "If you knowingly... And it should be some accounting accountability."
• On situational preparedness:
  • Jody (28:45): "If you're carrying a farm, you need to run through these scenarios in your mind trying to figure out what you're going to do in certain situations so you're better prepared."
• Gear review humor:
  • David (34:48): "Well, you're an idiot. You don't know what kind of battery you put in it."
• Closing self-deprecation:
  • David (41:11): "We suck. Oh, my goodness. Hopefully next episode be better."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Corrections & Pro-2A Stance: 00:08 – 07:05
• ATF News, Legal Challenges, & Yosemite Potato: 08:50 – 13:20
• Legislative/Judiciary Updates (MD, SCOTUS, HI, IL): 13:25 – 18:06
• Use of Force – Utah Carjacking: 18:40 – 24:38
• Use of Force – Office Robbery Scenario: 24:49 – 28:45
• Gear & Accessory Updates: 29:31 – 35:03
• Oregon Gun Law Overview: 35:35 – 41:08

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a conversational, informal, and humorous style—riffing on each other's mistakes, lightening the mood with self-directed banter, yet taking legal and tactical analysis seriously where it matters.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 70 delivers pragmatic advice for defending 2A rights consistently, illustrates real-world self-defense issues, and offers candid looks at the world of gun gear and legislation. David and Jody’s casual, bantering style makes the information approachable while reinforcing foundational gun rights and preparedness principles for listeners of all backgrounds.

Transcript

[David]

Struggle with intros. Welcome back to Everything Gone, episode 70.

[Jody]

This is our third week in a row and we're going to start this episode off a little different. We're going to start with some corrections from our previous episode.

[David]

Hey, we do know the difference between a suppressor and a compensator, even though it didn't seem like it in the last episode, apparently.

[Jody]

I haven't even listened to this.

[David]

I went back listen to it at all. Did we use psych suppressor? Yeah. So we've heard that like multiple times. What do you mean you didn't listen to it? Why didn't you go listen to it?

[Jody]

So apparently when we were talking about the. Why say apparently the Canik prime and the Canik Prime Radian, we. We made a comment about that being a kind of comp. Or a suppressed barrel in both of those. And those are compensated barrels, not suppressed barrels.

[David]

Why didn't you go listen to that? I didn't have time. Time. We ain't got nothing else to do. You ain't got no friends. What else you doing at work? Oh, whatever.

[Jody]

Anyway, so that is a correct. That is a wrong statement there. They are compensated barrels.

[David]

The mechanic fixed that problem.

[Jody]

Yeah. The cannock prime has got a. A ported barrel and a. In a cut slot. So it may. Makes it a compensated barrel. And then the. The Prime Radian comes with the Prime Radian ramjet barrel compensator. Compensated. Not.

[David]

They're compensated.

[Jody]

Yeah. Not suppressed. Yeah.

[David]

Glad we cleared that up. Yes, we said that like multiple times.

[Jody]

Yeah.

[David]

How do you know? You didn't go listen.

[Jody]

And the next. Next correction is. I also. We also made a statement that we were going to review that shooting by ICE as part of our use of force. And we're not gonna. We're not gonna do that. Just there's been enough reviews online from people from both sides and everybody has their own opinion on it. I'm not.

[David]

We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about it from a 2A point, though.

[Jody]

Yeah, from a 2A point of view, but not necessarily the. The use of force that the ICE agents used on. On the. On the gentleman. So just kind of.

[David]

That's not really a correction. That's a clarification.

[Jody]

Yeah, a clarification. And I do want to reaffirm that this podcast is a pro to a podcast. Not a pro Republican, pro Democratic podcast or pro Trump Trump podcast.

[David]

When you struggling peas and stuff there. Oh, my God.

[Jody]

We're Pro2A, so we're going to be Pro2A regardless of what your political beliefs are and regardless of what. Yeah. Who's caring, who's not caring. Everybody has a right to carry. We're not going to be wish washy on if, if you're against our political beliefs then you, you should be not carrying or what are you having a stroke? I'm just thinking about what some of our, some of our government officials have been saying recently. Patel, Gnome, Trump, all these guys and,

[David]

and anyway they came out and lied about it. So then they, then they talked about how they shouldn't be carrying guns and then just double down on it. Well you can't have a gun in a protest. Well yeah you can. And then you go look at comments on articles and all the supposed right right wing I guess conservative individuals individuals are talking about. Well he was clear new legally because he didn't have his permit on him. That's not, that's not carrying illegally. No that's that's a citation for $25 in, in Minneapolis that if you go and show your, your permit then it is is thrown out. Who cares But I don't care anyway. Exactly.

[Jody]

We fight for years. You know we shouldn't have to have a permit to carry. So why are we going to get mad when somebody does carry?

[David]

Yeah, I don't need somebody's permission whether

[Jody]

they did or not.

[David]

Well anyway it's not, it's. They get the laws wrong then they, then you see comments about people. Well as soon as you see a police officer you need to tell them you're. It's law that you tell them that you're carrying. It's no, it is not.

[Jody]

I don't know anywhere that's law.

[David]

So let's, let's get our facts straight before we start just going off on one side or the other because you didn't like the guy or like his views so he doesn't get to carry. That's not what we, that's not what second Amendment advocates should be doing. We should be advocating for the second Amendment.

[Jody]

And I was glad to see a lot of the second Amendment organizations did start coming.

[David]

Yeah. Oh I had something I was going

[Jody]

to read from Second Amendment foundation. Even the NRA which maybe was is not as strong as it could have been, but at least they did come out. And some of these other organizations, Gun Owners of America, all these organizations are now coming out Pro2A and not just pro whatever their political beliefs are. Yeah.

[David]

So Colin Cole knew our made a statement. This just kind of brief what he said not getting into the video and all they said this conversation is being hijacked and that's intentional. What's being framed as a pro Oz versus anti debate is actually something else entirely. A fight using guns as a proxy. And that's where the lies start on both sides video and he goes about the video, how he breaks it down and he says on his video here's what he's. When he goes and breaks down the, the shooting and it's if you, you want to go watch if you hadn't seen it, you the colon noir breakdown of the video is very good. And he goes, he dresses why simply carrying a farm does not make someone a criminal. What Minnesota law actually says about carrying that protest which is it's legal, why it wasn't smart and wasn't legal are not the same thing. The uncomfortable reality of anti gun rhetoric even from people we've defended why actions matter more than sound bites when judging politicians. And that's one thing I listen to this another guy and he made a comment I really don't care what some of these, what Trump said about it because I care about his actions. Well his actions aren't backing it up either.

[Jody]

So now we'll talk about some of the actions.

[David]

It does matter what our, our leaders say about the second Amendment. It matters. So then it goes the real legal standard for deadly force under the fourth Amendment and on and on and says this, this isn't about locking the protest. This isn't about locking eyes. This isn't about defending stupidity. It's about constitutional consistency. And that's what we're going to be talking about is the, your belief in the second Amendment doesn't disappear at the moment person, a person carrying isn't on your team. And that's what kind of got me about this whole thing. How, how quickly the conservative side, right side wanted to frame this guy shouldn't have been carrying. He was carrying illegal. He didn't do this or that so he don't get to carry and he deserved to get shot because just because he was killed and that sort of stuff and that's not political.

[Jody]

The hypocrisy on both sides is irritating.

[David]

You got. Well then you get the Democrats left side that are hey, we're for 2A. No you're not. You're using it as a, as a means to, to show the hypocrisy of the ride at this point I'm used

[Jody]

to the hypocrisy on the left which is so that would, that wasn't as bad to me as the hypocrisy on the right.

[David]

We just need to be consistent with our message. If we're going to be pro second Amendment then we need to be pro second Amendment. I know we said some of this in the last episode but they gone we. We got to be better because liberals are going to keep trying to pass laws. They're going to keep pushing stuff.

[Jody]

We see this, we see that in Hawaii with, with laws being passed now. We see that in Virginia. We see it everywhere. We see across the board laws that are getting passed and we're talking about that in some of in the new stuff and we'll talk about some of the stuff that that the ATF is doing and just so happened to have done it right after shot show which is interesting timing in that.

[David]

Oh you mean the ones that said they were pro second Amendment.

[Jody]

Yeah, the ones that.

[David]

Yeah and.

[Jody]

And yeah. Watch them by their actions, not by their words.

[David]

Those.

[Jody]

Those guys. We'll talk about something that is going on now that just happened right after shot show was over. The they did. I thought I find a while the timing of that is interesting.

[David]

So let's kind of give it an overview of what the other than the raining we just did. What's. What's our. What's the episode going to be about today? We got a little bit of guns and gear about everything.

[Jody]

What it's always about. We're going to start off with some

[David]

in the news gear little in the news. Now I don't have. We're not going to. I didn't get an opportunity to go shoot my my new Canik MC9LS because I had to go to had to go to Corinth, Mississippi and do look storm cleanup man. There's a lot of ice and trees down.

[Jody]

Are we doing gear first? Are we gonna go in?

[David]

No, I'm just saying I'm just kind of highlighting what we're gonna do. So people, hey, this is what's coming up.

[Jody]

Okay.

[David]

So it's kind of good job and then a little bit of self defense scenario stuff.

[Jody]

So the, the self defense stuff is

[David]

going to be a little bit different.

[Jody]

We have one use of force case and then we have one case where there could have been a use of force used to stop someone and it wasn't. So we're kind of looking at both of those those cases a little bit a little bit different than what we've done in the past. So we'll kind of go that route this time.

[David]

You're up first.

[Jody]

We got some in the news. So so this was Done on.

[David]

You're Jody, I'm David. You didn't say that.

[Jody]

Yeah, I did not. This was done on 1.

[David]

26.

[Jody]

26. So just, just a few. Just the days after Shot show ended.

[David]

Right.

[Jody]

So basically Shot show ended on the Friday the 23rd, I believe. So the 26th would have been on that following Monday. So here's what they did. The US Government, through the atf, filed a rare statement of interest in a private infringement lawsuit brought by Rare Breed Trigger against Timothy Hoffman, who I think he was out of Tennessee, who designed a similar trigger to what Rare Breed has their force reset triggers. And basically a year or so ago, where the ATF settled with frt, the Rare Breed people and quit that case because they were going to lose. So they stopped and just settled it and they basically told Rare Breed if they went after everybody that was making any kind of similar triggers that they would help them, which is ridiculous in itself. So they're stopping this guy who is 3D printing some similar triggers to Rare Breed. So Rare Breed has been notorious for going after anybody that has any kind of, any kind of binary or force reset trigger similar to theirs. So here you got the ATF saying that they're going to be Pro2A in the various days after Shot show, they sign on with an organization that's suing up another guy for making a trigger.

[David]

Back to what we said before. Don't, don't just tell me what you're going to do. Go do what you actually say.

[Jody]

So, so just, just irritating and, and just showing the absurdity of the NFA. Following the $200 fee going away, you had a National association for Gun Rights staff member. He successfully registered a potato with the ATF as a silencer.

[David]

What to do with your dog? Man, Your dog's barking right outside. Right outside the dog's room. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we got your dog put up. Let's, let's do this.

[Jody]

All right. So by the definition of a silencer, according to the atf, if you attach something to the barrel and it causes the sound to decrease, then it is considered a silencer. And by putting a potato on a barrel, it technically decreases the sound level. So he was able to get that through. And apparently I was listening to the. What's those guys this weekend?

[David]

Guns.

[Jody]

This weekend. Guns. They were, they had mentioned this as well and they said there was quite a few other people try to do that. And ATF is now not allowed to go because now they're saying that you can't put a serial number on it. Yeah, but it just shows you how silly silly it is. But this guy was able to do it under the definition of a silencer in which which I don't know how the ATF and can say that it's not it according to their definition. So they're not approving these documents, these form ones or form fours. Then they could, somebody could open themselves up for a lawsuit.

[David]

Yeah, they can do whatever they want because they get away with it.

[Jody]

There was so since the, the first I think 21 days of January, there were 300,000 NFA applications for suppressors. It's a lot. That is crazy. They had 150,000 of them improve approved already. Looks like their turnaround time has still been pretty, pretty fast.

[David]

Yeah, I'm still waiting till it's not an NFA item.

[Jody]

No, I agree, but it is a simpler process and you don't have to pay the 200 fee. But still suppressors are just too high. Now technically you can create your own suppressors. Nothing saying you can't create a suppressor in Form 1 or Form 4. I can't remember which form. It's one of those two forms. You yourself serialize it.

[David]

Yeah,

[Jody]

you can, but then it's not going to cost you. Yeah, the 800900 for suppression, you could 3D print one for 10 bucks probably and use it a few times and you know, print another one. But. All right, so I did see some news. I'm sure everyone remembers the school shooting, the Uvalde school shooting in Texas. Wasn't that in Texas? Yeah.

[David]

Wait, so he got, he got found?

[Jody]

Yeah. So the, the officer who hesitated was cleared of any wrongdoing. Yeah, I thought I had more on it than just that. Oh, good.

[David]

Good job. Yeah, that's a good update. Yeah. Well, and not a whole lot to talk about.

[Jody]

No, no, I think it's, you know,

[David]

that's not really gun related kind of.

[Jody]

Yeah, it's news, news related.

[David]

So yeah, gun news.

[Jody]

Fourth Circuit ups holding most of Maryland's sweeping sensitive places gun ban. So again we keep seeing these, these laws getting put into place. And it takes me back to where the guy asking the question during the ATF meeting and the DOJ meeting at shot show where he said, well, why don't some of these lawmakers get charged with creating unconstitutional laws? And they say, well it's not against the law to make an unconstitutional law. I could agree. No, this is, this is why it continues to happen because these courts,

[David]

there needs to be consequences for, for these laws being enacted like they Are. But yeah, I, I understand if you're trying to make a legislator makes a law and then, or proposes a law and then somebody says, hey, that's unconstitutional, I can understand that. Hey, you don't want to be held. You don't want to go to jail for screwing something up like that. But, but I get knowingly make something.

[Jody]

If you knowingly.

[David]

I know our government normally does it to us all the time. I know.

[Jody]

And it should be some accounting accountability.

[David]

The accountability would be voting, but we can't even do that. Right.

[Jody]

Or the Supreme Court having some system in place that would enforce the rulings that they have.

[David]

Well, the problem is we have a populace that wants to be told what to do and how to do it. Obvious.

[Jody]

From the, from latest. From code and from this, this latest shooting.

[David]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's going to be difficult to maintain. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Jody]

Oh, my gosh. I don't know what you're talking about. Let's just move on.

[David]

Move on. I hadn't finished my thought yet. I don't think you can. I was right there.

[Jody]

All right.

[David]

Supreme Court maintain the freedoms that we want to have with the problems that we currently have in the leadership. It isn't gonna happen. Okay.

[Jody]

I'm confused about what you're talking about, but that's good.

[David]

I'm good. Whatever.

[Jody]

Supreme court heard nearly two hours of arguments on the confused, dumb Wilford versus Lopez case. And this was on the 20th of January. So it was because I know one of the guys that was at the shot show doing that doj, part of the DOJ had made arguments in this case. So he was there. But this is around the vampire rule case from the.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Jody]

And it looks like from the questioning from the conservative majority, it sounded that they sounded very skeptical of Hawaii's approach. And basically they're just saying if it's a private business, you have to get permission to carry there. Where it should be exactly the opposite. The private. If it's a private business, you should be able to carry there. Unless the private business tells you you, you can't. So it's, it's going to be interesting to see how they rule. Hawaii's got several other bills and trying to put into place now before the

[David]

ruling comes out, and.

[Jody]

Which is, which is ridiculous.

[David]

Yeah. One of those is the Senate Bill 2720. Yeah.

[Jody]

Before you get to that, though, let me just say.

[David]

Oh, my God.

[Jody]

Just let me. You got to Hear this. So during the arguments, the Hawaii lawyers put on part of their argument. They used a, an 1865 Louisiana law that prevented blacks from having firearms, arguing that it met the test of history and tradition. I get so sick of the history stuff.

[David]

But they tried to use something that was unconstitutional. Yeah, I get it.

[Jody]

Who cares if it history. Let's just go by what the laws, what the Constitution is supposed to mean.

[David]

Well, here's what Hawaii is trying to do and I think Illinois as well. But this is Hawaii. Senate Bill 2720 requires any gun company that wants to sell its products and in the state to pony up cash into Hawaii's farm injury restitution fund.

[Jody]

What kind of. You say farm?

[David]

Yeah, that's what they call it. Farm injury restitution.

[Jody]

Trying to say firearm.

[David]

No, farm injury restitution fund. And once you pay your money into the this fund, you will be given a valid firearm injury cost recovery license which will allow you to sell guns in the state of Hawaii. And if you don't, then you don't get to. Then you, then you don't get to sell in the, in the state. You're shut out of the gun market. Something similar is trying to be passed in Illinois as well. So it's these, it never stops on the left to push anti gun policies. And that's why I said we have to be consistent on the right of where we stand with the second amendment and that's we should be able to carry and have guns anybody, anywhere, anytime. There you go.

[Jody]

Exactly. All right. That's all the news I had. So let's move on to some use of force cases. This segment brought to you by Clear Creek Shooting. For all your firearm needs, check out clear creekshooting33.com I had to add a new little age thing onto my website stating that you're over 18 when you go to my website because I got a new payment set up for taking credit cards. So it was required.

[David]

Now you still owe me money by the way. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I said yeah.

[Jody]

This first case is out of Utah. So you had a woman critically injured after being shot during an attempted carjacking outside of a fitness center. But the suspect was also shot and injured in the encounter. So you basically had a lady walking out to her car. What was the guy that. One of the individuals that was indicted over this was a lieutenant colonel. I can't pronounce his first name. Nick Mila, 20 years old.

[David]

A lieutenant colonel, 20 years old. No, there's no Way I looked it up.

[Jody]

I looked it up. Even looked up the court proceedings, and he was listed that way as well.

[David]

There's no way.

[Jody]

Yeah, it makes no sense, but sure enough, Lieutenant Colonel, 20 years old, and

[David]

so I'm gonna say there's no way.

[Jody]

Well, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I looked it up in the court cases and in the official documents, and it listed him that way. So you can say. I don't think it's lieutenant Corporal, let

[David]

me see your paper. Ain't no way it's a lieutenant colonel and no 20 years old. I'm showing you. Let me see it. I can't see it from way over there. Let me. Hand me. You're an idiot.

[Jody]

Where's that at?

[David]

Where's that at on this page? Nah, that can't be right. 20.

[Jody]

What does it do? You looking at it? I just read it to you. Yeah.

[David]

I don't believe it.

[Jody]

Yeah, I was surprised by that fact.

[David]

There's no way.

[Jody]

Yeah, well, anyway, it's.

[David]

There's no way. Okay.

[Jody]

Golly.

[David]

Just saying.

[Jody]

Just say it all you want.

[David]

Well, it's listed that way. It's probably wrong. Correction.

[Jody]

So you had a lady going after a vehicle, and some of this was caught on camera, and some of it was not. So the police responded to reports of a shooting at around 10:45pm in the parking lot of this fitness center. When they arrived, they found the victim with gunshot wounds wounds, and she was shot in the abdomen. And I didn't say where the shooter was shot, but apparently he. He fled, was taken to the hospital by some friends, dropped off at the hospital by somebody. So documents report that Mila, which is that Lieutenant Colonel, approached the victim as she was walking to her car, and then she was seen a few minutes later on surveillance footage flipping back towards the gym. So through witness statements, they said that the man was holding her at gunpoint, demanding her keys, which she would not give to him, and then was some way or another able to get to her firearm. And they both shot at each other, hitting each other. He's now being indicted along with a second person who was in another vehicle waiting on him.

[David]

So.

[Jody]

So it's. Let's just talk about this use of force case of. I mean, we can bypass legal and moral. Of course, she was definitely had the legal authority to protect herself and it was morally correct for her to use. Use lethal force. But I. I look at it more from a situational awareness type thing. So you got her out. Out at 10:45pm Walking back to her vehicle. Yeah, I didn't. There's some information I would like to have had on this case. Where she was parked, was it well lit? Where was her gun? Was, was it on carry, on body carry or off body carry? Apparently she was still able to get to it and use it effectively. But I would been interested for that report to say that and once. I hate these reports because they never say that. Are you looking it up?

[David]

Well, apparently the guy named Galusha Pennypacker is generally recognized as the youngest person to reach higher command in the U. S. Army. Becoming a brigadier general at age of 20, 18.

[Jody]

65. Okay, this is a different dude.

[David]

I don't think that's him.

[Jody]

No, no, that's not him.

[David]

He joined at age 16 and achieved the rank of colonel in 1864, then brigadier general at 20.

[Jody]

What are we talking about?

[David]

This. I was trying to find out how old you could be.

[Jody]

I'll keep it his immaterial to this case.

[David]

I hadn't listened to the thing you said because I'm looking up lieutenant colonel. All right, so average age of lieutenant colonel, 39.

[Jody]

Are you done?

[David]

Yeah.

[Jody]

Do we want to talk about this case or not?

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[Jody]

So her situational awareness, a lot of it is just. We're not, we're not sure. Let's just talk about what you know. If you're coming out of a fitness center or wherever, going to a parking lot, male or female, and you're alone, or even if you're with someone, you need to be aware of your surroundings and who's around you. It seems like you had two people coming up in a car. One got out with a firearm and then approached this lady. So I don't know how much chance she had to avoid it. And I don't know where she was parked, if it's a well lit area or not. But things like that you need to think about when you're parking your vehicle in these, some of these, some of these parking lots. How she was carrying it doesn't say. I would imagine it was probably not own body since she was leaving a fitness center. She probably had it in a bag or something, but she might have put

[David]

it on her when she was.

[Jody]

But you know, she had it so good on her part for being armed. And it sounded like she was pretty ready because even though he was pointing a gun at her, she was still able to get her gun out and fire on him. Even though she was hitting the abdomen, she was still able to use her. Use her gun effectively. And she survived. Thank goodness. Gunfights.

[David]

Are the other guy survive?

[Jody]

Yes, yes, he's been indicted, so he's. He's fixing to go to prison. I tried to find the court cases, but you had to pay to get all the court cases off of it. But all the information. But yeah.

[David]

So carrying. Good on her part for being ready.

[Jody]

Good on her part for using her firearm effectively. Yeah. I think we just need to be more careful how we.

[David]

Well, how many magazines she had.

[Jody]

She had two. She was a terrorist, apparently, according to our government. So that's what you're getting at. So good. Good job on her part. So I think it was a. Definitely a good use of force on her. Saved her, saved herself.

[David]

Yeah. But yeah, got. All right, what else you got?

[Jody]

So this next one, this is from you was the self protection. What's the name of that website, that YouTube video?

[David]

YouTube. Some self protection.

[Jody]

Yeah, go. You can go on YouTube and watch this one. It's an interesting, interesting little shooting. So you had basically what looked like an office where you had three gentlemen sitting inside of an office. I don't know what they were. Two.

[David]

Two guys.

[Jody]

Two guys behind a. Okay, two guys and lady. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, two. Three people sitting in an office. Two behind the desk, one sitting over kind of a.

[David]

On a couch.

[Jody]

Chair or couch? Yeah, across from them.

[David]

Yep.

[Jody]

You had one individual on camera that you could see come in with a gun already out.

[David]

Yep.

[Jody]

It seemed that the three. Three people kind of ignored him at first. They shot one one time.

[David]

They didn't really pay attention to him. Then he fires off around.

[Jody]

Fires off around. Then he starts taking stuff from them, you know, their possessions, any money that they had.

[David]

And they still seem somewhat relaxed.

[Jody]

They were. They were very calm. None didn't. Didn't panic. The two people behind the desk. At one point, the gentleman with the robber with a gun turned, kind of turned his head and his back to them to talk or to face the guy that was sitting on the couch.

[David]

Right.

[Jody]

This was an opportunity that, That I want to talk about that the guy had. Because one of the gentlemen that was behind the desk had a gun in his. In his belt, waist belt. He could have pulled his gun at this point and used it, but he did not. He did not. And this is what we need to think of when we. We run through these scenarios ourselves or what we should do in certain scenarios, or whether or not you should. Should have at this point. Because after this point, when he turns back toward this guy, he sees the gun, takes the gun from him now he's got a gun.

[David]

He hands it off to a second guy.

[Jody]

Second guy, which now comes into the picture because. So that guy could have been in the room the whole time. So it might be why.

[David]

It may be he didn't use. Could be.

[Jody]

Used the gun.

[David]

Yeah, we couldn't see that.

[Jody]

Couldn't see that guy to begin with.

[David]

Yeah.

[Jody]

Apparently the guy on the couch said something. He said something to the robber that made the robber pretty irritated. Shoots him in the arm and then shoots him five more times. Yeah, One time is he.

[David]

And he's walking out.

[Jody]

Starts to walk out and turn around and shoots him a six time.

[David]

He's already laying there bleeding, not moving. He shoots him another one as he's walking out. Here's one more.

[Jody]

So. And he didn't shoot either of those. The other two people.

[David]

So now they got lucky.

[Jody]

Yeah, they got lucky.

[David]

He shot that guy without him blinking. Man didn't hesitate. He just kept shooting.

[Jody]

Yeah, he. I don't know what the guy said

[David]

or if he did say anything, but he said something.

[Jody]

He must have. But it just goes to show that you've got to be prepared. It looks like the guy, he was the only person in that room carrying. You had two other individuals there that weren't.

[David]

Yeah, I think that. I think there may have been somebody in that room he didn't pull.

[Jody]

Yeah, I think so too. I think that second guy was probably there and you just couldn't see him on camera because that was the question that the active self protection had. This guy had the opportunity when this guy turned his head, but not at that second guy.

[David]

But then. Yeah, I'm not sure the second guy had a gun though, because he got handed that gun. So I don't know.

[Jody]

Yeah, if he didn't have a gun, then he should have kid. He should have pulled at that point. You've got to take your opportunity when it presents himself. We've seen it in other cases.

[David]

Stop me. What? He's extremely lucky he didn't get killed. Yeah, well, that's. What you're talking over me.

[Jody]

Oh my. You didn't say anything was worthwhile.

[David]

I totally don't like it when we talk over one another.

[Jody]

Oh my gosh, that's awful. Here now. All right. Anyway, take the opportunity when you get it. We've seen other cases where there's been robberies and the individual wait until the robber turn. Well, with the. The one with the guy that couldn't

[David]

get out of the helmet. Oh, that was awesome.

[Jody]

Yeah, he took a. He took a Opportunity where that guy can't see him because he's wearing him at that time.

[David]

So, yeah, take your opportunity. David's available.

[Jody]

If you're carrying a farm, you need to run through these scenarios in your mind trying to figure out what you're going to do in certain situations so you're better prepared for it if they ever do happen. Hopefully they don't, but you need to.

[David]

Yeah.

[Jody]

If you're going places, if you're sitting where the public can come in, if you're in areas that you might be carrying and are worried about something occurring, have an idea of what you're going to do in those type of situations, have a plan ready. And we talk about that all the time when we do classes that you need to, you know, have plans ready not just for, you know, when you're in your house, but when you're outside your home as well.

[David]

Do we? We do.

[Jody]

We've talked about that in our class.

[David]

Every class we've ever done, we done a class in a long time.

[Jody]

Yeah, one canceled on me a couple weeks ago, so probably get rescheduled pretty soon. That's all I have for you for anything else.

[David]

Nope.

[Jody]

There's a big shocker.

[David]

I've been busy, man. I've been busy.

[Jody]

Let's talk about some. I guess just some gear since we're not going to talk about your mc.

[David]

Well, we're gonna, you know, if I had the opportunity to go shoot it, we're definitely gonna. But I'm gonna wait until I shoot it some more. I've shot it, you know, I shot it before last episode. Put about 50 rounds through it. So I'm gonna wait. Put some more rounds through it. Also waiting for my Zafus Elite holster from Tier one.

[Jody]

Oh yeah.

[David]

So that's already been almost. Almost a week now that I've ordered that thing and nothing from them yet, so. But they give it like a. It's like a lead lead time of them shipping it out? Five to 20 days.

[Jody]

Oh, good grief.

[David]

That seems like a long time. So I'm still waiting on that. Hopefully I get it soon. I will review the. The new holster and I'll review the. The gun as I shoot it more often.

[Jody]

So yeah, so I know we're gonna try to compare it to the Canon TP9SC and yeah, so it's gonna be interesting now.

[David]

I did.

[Jody]

So I did talk to one of my host sellers a few days ago and I was asking him about the Cannock Prime Radian when it's going to be coming out. You Know a lot of times the cannon is. I love their guns but man they're slow at rolling some of these new guns out. He said we should start seeing these probably in the March April time frame. Hopefully the optics as well. So you know we talked about last episode. All the optics.

[David]

I need a new optic.

[Jody]

They're coming out with. With 10 new. 10 new optics.

[David]

Yeah. Show me that.

[Jody]

Yeah. So some of these pistol related and some of them are rifle related. It looks rough and the price of these looks sounds like it's going to be pretty reasonable. 200, 250 price range on a lot of these. The scopes around the 6700 price range. A higher end scope.

[David]

So my optic on my. It's. What's the opt. It's the.

[Jody]

You're the mechanic.

[David]

No, the shield. But I'm trying to figure out the footprint on it. But it.

[Jody]

I didn't have to have rmr isn't it?

[David]

No, not armor. I didn't have to have a rmr. That's a dumb statement.

[Jody]

Good.

[David]

Yeah. This gracious. I didn't have to have a plate. It just mounted directly to the. To the gun. Rmr. Do you even know optics? You know anything about optics? We leaving? You walking now. Oh you getting your rifle with your new stock.

[Jody]

Yeah.

[David]

Let's talk about the little. The new stock. You probably should have put a picture on Instagram or something of it. Yeah. Because it looks odd.

[Jody]

I mean it looks odd.

[David]

It's different. It looks odd. That's all I'm saying is different than what you would normally have on a. On a rifle.

[Jody]

All right. So you see a lot on the precision type rivals these kind of stocks. Yeah.

[David]

So it's just different to be on a short barrel drop. Yeah.

[Jody]

So you basically say this is a. Is a Odin Odin Zulu stock. So they've been out for a couple years this one. One thing I'll say is I haven't done any work on putting together ars in quite a while when I build them. So I forgot how many springs and pins will pop out of that thing. You remove this?

[David]

Oh yeah.

[Jody]

Buffer tube everywhere. It's a good thing I had. I got a ton of extra parts. So it was crooked and ain't crooked. Crooked ain't crooked.

[David]

Hey, go ahead.

[Jody]

But anyway so this thing.

[David]

An ain't centered.

[Jody]

Is centered idiot. Man.

[David]

You need to calm down.

[Jody]

But no go ahead. So I. I only got to shoot it about 10 rounds because with my eotech battery went dead on me out at the range this weekend. But I did. I Did shoot it.

[David]

So you don't. You don't have popup sights on this thing?

[Jody]

No, well, that's. I don't have. I don't have room to put the. I don't have. I don't have room for. You can see I'd have to take the magnifier off to put a pop up side on.

[David]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[Jody]

Yeah.

[David]

I just go with, hey, if my battery dies, I'm screwed. That's the way. That's the route I'd go with it.

[Jody]

I shot it. Was still able to hit the target.

[David]

Why don't you hit something else with it?

[Jody]

Put that back over.

[David]

Let me go. Put that back over there. Hold on, you little servant.

[Jody]

Don't.

[David]

Put that back over there. Go put your own gun up. Go put that back over there. Out of your mind. Oh my goodness. No, what you're saying. Not the only gear you got to talk about. I planned on talking about your gun. Don't yell.

[Jody]

I'm not yelling.

[David]

Man. You hit the microphone so much. The way that thing is set up,

[Jody]

the stock sits below the buffer tube. So you're not getting that recoil that you would normally feel from that buffer.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jody]

Hitting the. Hitting that spring.

[David]

Yeah, I want to shoot that one. Go back out there.

[Jody]

You know, even though the ars don't have that much recoil at all anyway, this one felt so much better.

[David]

I like to see how flat it shoots. Yeah.

[Jody]

So it was. It's pretty neat. I'm pretty happy with that.

[David]

I might get new trucks. What kind of battery did that take?

[Jody]

One of those. I don't remember nothing. It's a big battery.

[David]

Oh, my bad. It's a big battery.

[Jody]

Yeah.

[David]

Oh, okay. I don't have the number on it.

[Jody]

It's not the normal battery.

[David]

It's a big. It's not your normal battery.

[Jody]

It's not like a 9. It's not like one of the batter.

[David]

1,632s or 2,032s is a biggin.

[Jody]

No, it's.

[David]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not one of them. It's a big. That's what you got.

[Jody]

But you acting like I was an idiot.

[David]

Well, you're an idiot. You don't know what kind of battery you put in it.

[Jody]

Oh, it's. I can't remember.

[David]

I had to.

[Jody]

Had to buy the.

[David]

I bought. How you buy one? You didn't even.

[Jody]

I bought four of them there. $30 for four of those things.

[David]

Okay.

[Jody]

So I got it all. It's Going good now. Yeah.

[David]

All right.

[Jody]

That's all I have for gear since you don't have anything.

[David]

Oh, I have something. Hopefully. Hopefully next episode. Yeah, hopefully my holsters comes in and I definitely. Even if the holster doesn't come in, I'll be able to. Yeah, we'll show shoot this weekend and. And give a little more view of the MC9LS.

[Jody]

Yes. Weather is supposed to be nice this weekend.

[David]

You see how flat that thing shoots? It's shot flat. There have been. I've liked it the first time, so really looking forward to it.

[Jody]

Cool. All right, let's move on to. I think we're doing Oregon this week,

[David]

so it's gonna be a quick episode.

[Jody]

Yeah. This is our third episode in a row, three weeks. So before you get started. Oh my word. You cannot bypass the next check with the concealed carry permit from Oregon. Okay. They are ranked 15th in US in gun ownership with 50.8% of homes in. In Oregon having a at least one firearm in their home. That's all I've got on it now. Hopefully you got.

[David]

Oh, I got tons of information. So the age of concealed carry. That's 21. That's 21. It is not a constitutional carry state. So you. You do have to go get a license, a permit, and you have to meet a firearms training requirement. Yeah, I'll talk about that in a minute. And then you can't open carry at 18. You can't carry in your vehicle with an organ serial carry license. There is no duty to inform.

[Jody]

Oh, wait, man, I thought you had tell Facebook anytime you carry a gun.

[David]

No, man, you do not.

[Jody]

Some. Some Republicans heads are going to explain. Some people.

[David]

Some people be it. So see, where is this at? Let's see. No, so the. You have to demonstrate competence with a handgun. That's what I was trying to get at earlier. So you can take a. An approved firearms training course or thorough participation in organized shooting competition or military experience will get you.

[Jody]

That was the same as what we do last. Last North Dakota. That's the same requirement they had for

[David]

North Dakota go to you. You can do that which is. I mean you shouldn't have requirements, but being able to go to competitions. I don't know how they. I don't know how they.

[Jody]

What if you come in last place? Do you still get your permit?

[David]

Man, I never got my permit. First time I went shot, I don't think I was last.

[Jody]

That was still challenge.

[David]

But I couldn't hit that target.

[Jody]

The safest place would be to stand in front of the Steel.

[David]

Yeah. I tell you where it wouldn't have been safe to the left of it. If you've been to the left of that steel. Yeah, you. You got peppered with everything, man. I shot at that one steel plate like forever. I ran out of ammo.

[Jody]

Is that your brother? I said no. I don't know who that is.

[David]

Did I hit it, guys? If you ain't hit anything. What a crap fire. That was awful, man. I've shoot better now that they're back in. That's terrible. That's that first one. Oh, that's awful. I shot so bad.

[Jody]

I hit one.

[David]

One of them went down. I think I hit the ground. And you just ricocheted up to it. The only reason that one went down, I kept shooting. Oh, that went down. I wasn't even aiming at it. I went on like I did something good there. That's a long time ago. That was a long time.

[Jody]

I think that's before. Was that before we even had our range?

[David]

Years ago? Yeah. No, that's when I said what were my. My PX4 double action single action gun. You didn't tell me I had to. Had to start off in double action. Oh my crap. I don't know. She does think in double action. That's awful. It was not good.

[Jody]

I got some videos of that somewhere.

[David]

That was some bad shooting. Goodness. I don't think I came in last though.

[Jody]

No, you didn't come in last.

[David]

I mean like next to last.

[Jody]

There was some blind guy.

[David]

Yeah. Hey, at least I didn't get beat with a guy with no hands.

[Jody]

I got dick hued on that.

[David]

You getting beat by a guy with no arms or legs? No, he had legs. He shot with his feet. You got beat with a guy with. No, you were getting beat.

[Jody]

No, I was beating him up until that point.

[David]

Got beat by him. You lost. You lost a guy with no arm.

[Jody]

You would have lost just shooting.

[David]

No, I was shooting good at that point. Whatever that shooting good now.

[Jody]

Are you looking up Oregon?

[David]

Are you getting what else we want to talk about? Well, you said you had a whole

[Jody]

bunch of stuff on it, so let's go through it.

[David]

Well, I thought he went through a bunch of it. No, you have it.

[Jody]

Can you carry in parks and.

[David]

Yeah.

[Jody]

What about public transportation?

[David]

Hey, calm down. I'm asking questions. You can carry with a. Where they concealed carry license in parks and national forest. Also in roadside rest areas. You have to have a. A concealed carry license. Okay. Concealed there are. Now there is red flag laws there in Oregon, so. So there is Preemption. But I was gonna read the red flag law. So Oregon has a red flag law. A law enforcement officer or a family or household member of a person may file a petition enjoining the person from having in the person's custody or control owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving or attempting to purchase or receive a deadly weapon. So it's even one firearm. They throw a knife in there if they wanted to, I guess, depending on how they define deadly weapons. So I'm sure they could. So overall, I mean, it's very similar to North Dakota. Yeah. I mean, it's not a terrible state, but you shouldn't have to have a requirement to get a license, and you shouldn't. Shouldn't have red flag laws. So that's. That's very brief and limited on. On Oregon. I've been busy, man. Give me a break. Well, we said 21 to conceal carry, 18 to open carry. We went through most of it. Give me a break.

[Jody]

I'm glad you're always prepared. It helps. It's helpful.

[David]

Oh, I'm. I'm prepared, baby. What else we got on this episode? We're like 40 minutes in. I don't have anything yet.

[Jody]

That's how much you would actually have a lot of stuff on Oregon, but that's.

[David]

That's about everything. Yeah.

[Jody]

We have to figure out his name for this episode.

[David]

We suck. Oh, my goodness. Hopefully next episode be better.

[Jody]

Yeah. All right. So it'll be a couple weeks before our next episode because

[David]

apparently we can't get enough information in one week. Well, we're still only 40 minutes in.

[Jody]

I thought you had more than two seconds of state laws, but that's fine. We should have some good reviews and some gear to talk about on the next episode. Like David was talking about.

[David]

Yeah, my. My holster should be in by then.

[Jody]

Yeah.

[David]

And definitely talk about my gun and our. Well, the comparison. So, yeah, a few things coming up. Looking forward to shooting again. That's all I got.

[Jody]

You got anything else?

[David]

Well, now, I already told you, I don't have anything else.

[Jody]

We are everything. Guns.

[David]

We're out.