Where is Puerto Rico? (Episode 72)

Summary

Everything Guns, Episode 72: "Where is Puerto Rico?"

Hosts: David and Jody Smith
Date: March 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode explores recent gun-related legislation across the U.S., state-level Second Amendment issues (with a special focus on Alabama), notable gear and firearm innovations, and a deep dive into Puerto Rico's gun laws. The hosts, David and Jody Smith, break down both national and state firearm policies, analyze real-life self-defense scenarios, and debate the nuances of firearms law enforcement. The show’s hallmark blend of humor, candid critique, and practical advice is on full display, making it both informative and engaging for gun enthusiasts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. National and State Gun Law News

Timestamps: 01:23 – 16:41

• Machine Gun Sales in West Virginia:

  • West Virginia is attempting to create a state-run entity to sell automatic (post-1986) machine guns to the public, bypassing the Hughes Amendment and leveraging gaps in federal/state applicability.
  • “They're trying to create a state ran entity… then the state run office could sell the automatic weapons, machine guns post 86 machine guns to the public.” – David (01:23)
  • Both hosts doubt the bill’s chances of passing committee but note it’s a novel approach.

• Constitutional Carry Limitations:

  • Florida’s security teams in churches currently face strict licensure; reform may soon allow more armed voluntary security.
  • Louisiana bans carry at parades and in most bars/restaurants, showing "constitutional carry" is often more limited than the label suggests.
  • “That's why we always talk about constitutional carry…that doesn't mean a lot in a lot of these states.” – Jody (06:02)

• Judicial Inertia & Magazine Bans:

  • The Supreme Court continues to delay a decision (Duncan vs. Bonta) on California’s 10+ round magazine ban, leaving the issue unresolved after a decade.

• Minnesota’s Semi-Auto Ban Attempts:

  • Two bills proposed a sweeping ban on semiautomatic firearms; failed in committee but included concerning warrantless inspection provisions for grandfathered owners.
  • “The grandfathering provision allowed warrantless law enforcement inspections… with no limit on frequency.” – David (09:11)

• Tennessee Bill Limiting Court Challenges:

  • House Bill 1971 aims to make it harder to challenge and overturn unconstitutional state laws—including gun laws.
  • “Why would they do that right now?” – Jody (10:16)

• New Mexico and Veterans’ Rights:

  • Assault weapons/magazine bans failed again; VA will stop reporting veterans as prohibited persons based solely on financial fiduciary status.

2. Alabama-Specific Firearms Legislation

Timestamps: 12:47 – 16:41

• HB 192:

  • Passed unanimously (104-0); makes it harder to claim self-defense if the weapon was disposed of after the incident.
  • “Presumption is not justified is ridiculous…if it was legal self defense regardless of where the weapon is.” – Jody (13:39, 14:33)

• SB 267:

  • Would repeal constitutional carry, reinstating mandatory carry permits.
  • Both hosts stress it illustrates how “it never stops”—even so-called 2A states see regular attempts at new restrictions.

• Second Amendment Tax-Free Bill:

  • Proposed for last weekend of August; hosts dismiss it as political window dressing, “Look at us, we’re 2A-friendly!” (16:18–16:29)

3. Guns and Gear Reviews

Timestamps: 17:23 – 22:42

• Guesstimate Arms G9 HSP:

  • Hungarian pistol convertible between hammer-fired DA/SA and striker-fired DA/SA in ~20 seconds.
  • “It's a cool concept…you get two guns…for, like, $900.” – David (20:04)

• Anti-Matter Scope Switch 2.0:

  • Innovative mount allowing offhand zoom adjustment via a cable-pulley; benefits LPVO users, priced at $349.99.
  • “If you end up getting it, let us know what you think about it… we don’t have one so…” – Jody (22:22)

• Tier 1 Holster:

  • Jody continues using it, especially praising comfort and concealment with foam pads.
  • “It conceals so good with the foam pads on it.” – Jody (22:42)

4. Use of Force & Self Defense Scenarios

Timestamps: 23:03 – 36:44

• Home Invasion in Athens, AL:

  • Victim went outside unarmed, confronted an armed intruder, fled inside, then shot the suspect after retrieving a firearm.
  • Discussion focuses on the importance of not confronting thieves unarmed and the legal risks of using deadly force to protect property.
  • “If you do go out with a firearm...be careful with that.” – David (26:40)

• Memphis Convenience Store Robbery:

  • Clerk spots an attempted armed robbery and draws/shoots first; suspect flees.
  • Hosts praise situational awareness and restraint in ceasing fire once the threat ended.
  • “Good situational awareness…he performed well.” – Jody (29:14, 30:20)

• Portland, OR Cannabis Shop Shooting (Coleon Noir Example):

  • After being robbed and ejected from his shop, an employee retrieves a gun, returns, and shoots at the robbers through a window (killing two, wounding a third).
  • Jury acquitted, but hosts argue it technically failed the "imminence" standard for lawful self defense; highlight the danger of overcharging by prosecution and the unpredictability of jury trials.
  • “Don’t put yourself back in that situation. Just because you won the gunfight this time doesn’t mean you’ll win next time.” – David (34:31)
  • “He’s very lucky…he did not meet the elements of self defense in this case.” – Jody (35:17)

5. Puerto Rico Gun Laws Deep Dive

Timestamps: 36:55 – 48:48

Geography & Context

• Quizzing each other humorously about Puerto Rico’s geography.
  • “Do you know where Puerto Rico’s at?” – Jody (37:29)

Legal Framework

• Not Constitutional Carry: No open carry. Concealed carry possible from age 21; permits valid 5 years.
• No Reciprocity: Does not recognize permits from other U.S. states.
• Permit Requirements: Must be 21, a U.S. citizen/resident, and have a firearms training certificate from the Puerto Rico Police Bureau.
• Non-resident Permits: Offered, but process is complex, especially for competition shooters (advanced notification required).

Importing & Transporting Firearms

• Complicated compliance and notification requirements for bringing firearms/ammo (especially for events).
• No castle doctrine; potential duty to retreat.

Notable Facts & Humor

• Only 11% gun ownership.
• Jody teases David about map skills: “You weren’t even close, man!” (38:03)
• “A valid weapons or gunsmith license is required to acquire, buy, transport, sell, donate, transfer, have, possess, guard, carry, use or drive with weapons, firearms, ammo, and any regulated firearm accessory.” – Jody (47:47)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On West Virginia's work-around:
  “They’re trying to create a state ran entity… then the state run office could sell the automatic weapons, machine guns post 86 machine guns to the public.” – David (01:23)

• On the ever-moving goalposts of gun legislation:
  “It never stops. Even when you get a small victory, the left is always trying to push more gun control on us.” – Jody (15:38)

• On Minnesota’s proposed warrantless inspections:
  “They could show up anytime they wanted to, as many times as they wanted to.” – David (09:34)

• Situational awareness in self-defense:
  “He was carrying the gun…he didn’t have to go retrieve it.” – Jody (29:34)

• On gun law confusion:
  “Do you know where Puerto Rico’s at?...Don’t look at the map! Tell me where you think Puerto Rico at.” – Jody (37:29)
  “Yeah, it’s in the water.” – David (37:30)

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Timestamps: Major Segments

• Gun Legislation & News: 01:23 – 16:41
• Alabama Bills & 2A Analysis: 12:47 – 16:41
• Guns & Gear: 17:23 – 22:42
• Self Defense Cases: 23:03 – 36:44
• Puerto Rico Gun Laws: 36:55 – 48:48

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Closing Thoughts

This episode embodies the dynamic, occasionally irreverent but always insightful, tone of “Everything Guns”—with hosts who are as comfortable with in-depth law analysis as they are poking fun at each other’s geography skills. The episode covers both breaking legal news and practical self-defense pointers, offering value for gun owners interested in laws, gear, and real-world application.
Next up: Rhode Island’s gun laws!

Transcript

[A]

It'll be better if I say it that way. Sounds like one shot.

[B]

Welcome to everything Guns. I'm David. On the other mic is Jody. What you got first?

[A]

So this is episode 72. Before we jump into the news section, I do want to ask all of our listeners if you like the show, to give us a five star review on your podcast platform.

[B]

So even if you don't like the show, give it a five star review.

[A]

Yeah, either way, true. Yeah, just give us a five star review. We want to get that algorithm. Yeah, we want that. We need to pick us up, follow

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us, do all that kind of stuff that we, we need. We're trying to, trying to get this built up a little bit more. So we all, we need all that

[A]

stuff, I guess, so we can start doing some giveaways. I've got some stuff to give away. I, I was going through all my parts and stuff. I mean, how we going to do giveaways, listeners? Yeah, we can do giveaways. Just, we mean, how you do giveaways?

[B]

We ain't got no sponsors, man. We don't need a sponsor.

[A]

I got stuff. All right, all right. And then, you know, yeah.

[B]

Oh what? I ain't giving crap away.

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I got some stuff to give away. And if you want a shirt, send us an email at [e-mail] or shoot us a text that should be located in the description.

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I need to send an email, get

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me a shirt maybe. So you're not getting one after some of the things you've said anyway, and make sure you send me your size and the address to get that shipped to. As long as it's inside the United States.

[B]

Continental United States.

[A]

All right, so we're going to start off with news and we've got a. Okay, quite a bit of things from Alabama this time, but we're going to save those for the end because they're. Two of them are a bit irritating. So this first thing is out of West Virginia. So they're trying to position themselves to be able to sell not, not semi automatic automatic machine guns to the public. Yeah. And they're doing this by bypassing the Hughes act and the nfa because that does not apply to the federal government or the state government. So they're creating, they're trying to create a state ran entity similar to like an ABC store or something like that. If anybody's familiar with those, we have some of those here in Alabama. I think there's some in West Virginia or in Virginia as well. But they would do that. Then the state run office could sell the automatic weapons, machine guns post 86 machine guns to the public. So it's stuck in committee right now. It's got to be out of committee by I think the end of this week or first of next week or

[B]

there's no way, there's no way that gets out of common.

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I'll be surprised.

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There's no way.

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It's, it's.

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I think Kentucky's trying to do something similar.

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Yeah. It came up during shot show. I think that there was one state that was, there was complaining that the ATF was returning those FRT triggers, the force reset triggers to the people.

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Right.

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And they were trying to stop it based off you couldn't give machine guns to people. Well, the ATM said two things. First off, it's not a machine gun. FRT did not make it a machine gun. And second, the law didn't apply to the federal government nor the state. So they, so when the. Some of these lawyers heard this.

[B]

Oh, here we go.

[A]

They started looking into it and found out that's exactly true. So they went to some of these other states while they were at shot show, had several of them interested in what they were talking about. So now they hopefully can do that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't, I don't see it coming out of committee, but I'll be surprised.

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We'll kind of watch, see what happens. But it would be, it's interesting the way they're doing that. But it should, they shouldn't be banned anyway. No, especially. It just didn't make any sense to me.

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But what if we had as conservatives, if we had a Republican Congress and a Republican president, if we had that, we could probably get rid of the nfa.

[A]

No, we'd have to have a conservative Congress. Yeah, I know. That's why I say we've got Republicans, we don't have conservatives.

[B]

Yeah.

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So it's very frustrating. And we'll get into more of that not only from the federal end of it, but from the state side of it as well.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

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We got huge majorities here in Alabama and you still see stuff getting, getting through that. Just ridiculous to me. So this next one is out of Florida. So I found this interesting because, you know, we talk about these red states and how pro2aa they are and these governors talk about how pro2 they are and, and then you look at some of the laws they have in place. Well, Florida legislature is close to reforming the requirements for voluntary armed security in churches. This bill will allow them to carry Firearms in churches.

[B]

Currently, they cannot.

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If they are designated as a security team, they cannot. So if they have a shirt that says security or anything that designates them as security, that's considered professional. And they would have to get a class D and a class. There's two different types of person.

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But anybody else could. If they wanted to know what you're saying.

[A]

What do you mean by this? What am I saying? I don't know what you're talking about.

[B]

Any member of the church could carry if they wanted to. Long day. Part of security.

[A]

Yes. What do you mean?

[B]

What I mean.

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I'm trying to figure out what she was talking about. Yes. Yes.

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Any.

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Anybody in Florida can conceal carry now with a permit in the church, but if they're part of a security team that's designated as a security team. Some of these churches have been naming themselves differently. So they don't fall into that. Into that.

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But don't put security on your.

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Yeah. Currently security personnel have to obtain a class D security officer license and a class G statewide firearm license. So if they were. If they were anything identified them as a security, triggered the license, just name

[B]

them the greeter team and you'll be good to go.

[A]

That's what so them were doing.

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Yeah, but it's just easy enough greeters.

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What's easy enough is get rid of the stuff. It's stupid that the law shouldn't be there. But.

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Yeah.

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So that's what's easy enough to get rid of that. That's stupid. I'm just. I bring it up because you. You supposedly these two a states in

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there slaughtering out a constitutional carry state.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I was looking at Louisiana because son was going to Louisiana. And. And it is too. But you know, we discovered you can't carry it parades.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And you also cannot. Is not allowed to conceal carry in a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol.

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Just about all of them.

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Yep.

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Grief.

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Yeah. So. But it's constitutional carry.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's why we always talk about constitutional carry when they. When they name it. That doesn't mean a lot in a lot of these states. Correct. SCOTUS once again punts on the Duncan vs. Bonta case. And this is in the, you know, some more Second Amendment litigation. This was a challenge to the California's prohibition on the standard capacity magazines defined as those holding more than 10 rounds. And it's gone back and forth through the federal courts for nearly a decade now. A decade. It's.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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Now the case still sits in limbo at the US Supreme Court repeatedly relisted for conference without a decision on whether to grant review. So I mean it's just, it's so frustrating. I heard that Alito might be retiring.

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Did you hear that? I did not.

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So hopefully he does that soon. So maybe we get.

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I think he's smart enough not to do it while Trump is there. Yeah, he won't do it when Trump's not in there.

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And boy, they'll try to impeach Trump over there. When you go to be a.

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It'll be a hard, hard way. The confirmation for who he nominates.

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Oh yeah. Oh, it always is. Nowadays. That started back with the, the Clarence Thomas stuff and.

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Yeah.

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And getting more and more ridiculous.

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Well, even before that, I mean they were trying to. Way before that they were trying to load it up and.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's always been corrupt.

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So you've got Minnesota advances and I think these have died and have died now. But they're still, they still could be brought back up. Minnesota advanced some semi auto firearm bands would basically ban any, any type of semi auto weapon.

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But what if I had one where you could come and they just could come into the house and make sure you had it?

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Yeah.

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That was properly without a warrant.

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That was this. So there was a grandfather in clause in that and the two bills, there was an HF3433 and HF3402 and would have banned all semi auto firearm firearms and high capacity. And I put high capacity in quotations because it's ridiculous. I don't know where they come up with 10 round anything over 10 rounds. I guess because they couldn't call, they couldn't get it passed under 10 rounds

[B]

or they would, I don't know.

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They would call two rounds high capacity if they could.

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Yeah.

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But it did fail in committee. But Waltz, Waltz did state that he would ban assault weapons if it was. If he was allowed to by executive order. But what was interesting with that, this is the grandfather in clause that'll be put in jail. I agree.

[B]

Statements like that, somebody, a government official that has sworn to uphold the Constitution should be put in jail.

[A]

Well, according to doj, that's not illegal. You can.

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I know it's not. Let's make it illegal.

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I'm with you. I think at least you got to be put out of office and not be able to be in office again.

[B]

Well, that's what I used to think now. So I just put them in jail.

[A]

But the grandfathering provision made it to where anyone who doesn't go the through the certification process. Well, they had to turn in their guns, but the grandfathering provision allowed warrantless law enforcement inspections of their homes to verify safe storage compliance with no limit on frequency. So they could show up anytime they wanted to, as many times as they wanted to.

[B]

Yeah, whenever they wanted to. Tell me they wouldn't abuse no warrant, nothing. Just walk on in.

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This is the same place that was shooting paintballs at people for not going in their house. Yeah. You guarantee the police would take advantage of that?

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah, the fire.

[B]

I thought they didn't like police though, there.

[A]

Oh, they do uncertain things, apparently. They don't like us, I guess.

[B]

Well, they don't like. Please. They defund everybody, but whatever.

[A]

So here's another interesting one. And this is not strictly around gun laws, but this is. Tennessee lawmakers are pushing House Bill 1971, a bill that would make it far harder to remove unconstitutional laws from the books, including unconstitutional gun laws right now.

[B]

Why would they do that right now?

[A]

Tennessee law gives citizens and organizations a clear legal pathway to ask a court whether a state law violates the Constitution. This. This allows unconstitutional laws to be challenged and stopped before anyone is arrested, fined or prosecuted. HB 1971 would eliminate that pathway. So I guess you're going to have to have standing. I mean, somebody's going to have to be arrested.

[B]

That's bull crap.

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And show. And show damage.

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Well, you have to standing as soon as you see it's unconstitutional.

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You would think.

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Of course, this is the same state that likes to.

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Yeah.

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Charge people DUIs.

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Yeah, exactly. To get their quotas. Yeah, there's a. Yeah, look that up on YouTube. There's all kind of cases.

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There's quite a few counties in Tennessee that will lit lies about DUIs.

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I love how these. These couple. Well, I can get into that. If the bill passes. Tennessee law would no longer clearly allow citizens to challenge the constitutionality of state statues in court.

[B]

And they're a red state as well.

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Yeah.

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So that's another thing.

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I got a lot of red states done today.

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Yeah, it's frustrating.

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So we got New Mexico assault weapons ban. I put assault weapons in quotations.

[B]

Just, you know, nobody can see you.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's why I said it. Calm down.

[A]

Nobody can see me.

[B]

I said it. Calm down. Don't call for that.

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This new. This band was defeated for the third year in a row, including the high capacity. I put that in quotations mag band. So the. Basically the clock ran out on the legislative session. I'm sure it'll be brought up in the next session. So that's what they continue to do. And the veterans gun ban. The gun ban has been defeated. So on, on February 17, Department of Veterans affairs announced they will no longer report veterans to the FBI NICS as a prohibited person because they assigned a fiduciary to help manage their finances. So in the past, if you had to have somebody help you manage your finances, they would get reported right to the FBI through the NICS check system as a, as a prohibited person. They can get a gun. So. All right, let's talk about some Alabama stuff because we're from Alabama, we live here in Alabama. So we were, we always talk about again these Pro2A states and this first one I want to talk about is, is I got HB 192.

[B]

Yeah.

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House Bill 192 and this passed 104

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to 0 in the House.

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In the House and you still got

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to go to the, going to the Senate now.

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It basically they, they basically made it a. Made it more difficult for you to use a self defense claim if you got rid of the, the weapon that you.

[B]

Don't you just read the section.

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I'm fixing to. Good grief. This bill would provide that in such a proceeding if a, if the defendant concealed, altered, destroyed or otherwise disposed of a weapon used in the commission of physical force or deadly physical force other than voluntarily providing the weapon to law enforcement, there is a presumption that the defendant's use of force was not justified. And this was 104 to 0.

[B]

The whole statement. Presumption is not justified is ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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I don't care what's happened to the gun if it's self defense and self defense.

[A]

Exactly. So there's no, you should not may be able to make a presumption off whether or not the gun is available for the police.

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And I keep talking about the argument, we keep talking about this. This doesn't solve a problem that we have in Alabama. They're not solving an issue.

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No.

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There's not a rash of self defense shootings where people are getting rid of their guns.

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No, they're just making it, they're making it easier to charge somebody with something or not allow them to use a self defense claim so they can convict somebody. Red state. Yeah, exactly. Pass 100. 104 to 0.

[B]

Yeah. That means our, that means every Republican voted for, voted for every one of them.

[A]

Every one of them voted for it. Didn't see anything wrong with that because some district attorneys brought it to the, brought it to them say hey, this is an issue. We need to take care of this. It is not an issue. And I don't care if you did throw the gun away.

[B]

I don't either if it's self defense.

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If it was legal said defense regardless of where the weapon is should be.

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I don't care.

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Yeah, I don't care. You know. Yeah, I know it just go and

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prove it wasn't self defense if you have an issue with it and then

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charge them with hiding.

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Oh yeah.

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Whatever it is if you need to do that. But yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't like the other one and I just happened to go search.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me just go look.

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Alabama Senate Bill 267 is when you wanted to bring.

[B]

Yeah, I just did a firearm search. I just did that on all the bills and lo and behold one pops up where they're trying to get to do away with constitutional carry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Basically the, the they're trying to require you to have a concealed car yet again.

[A]

And they're not calling it concealed care, they just call it a carry permit. Yeah.

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The whole purpose of it is to do away with constitutional carry.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it. Yeah, it's exactly what it does.

[B]

It does.

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You have to have a permit to carry it on your person or in your vehicle. So I mean that's.

[B]

Yeah, it does away with 100 does away with it. So it's only a committee at this point. But the point we're making with these is it's always something. It never stops.

[A]

Yeah, never stops.

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Even when you get a small victory. The left is always trying to push more gun control on us. Constantly trying to infringe upon our second amendment Right. So when you blow in the microphone. Well, don't blow into it.

[A]

I try to get it out there. My gosh, I got it.

[B]

So yeah, it's frustrating. So we did have a.

[A]

We do have a little bit of good news out of Alabama and that's Alabama House Bill360 which I don't think it's been voted on yet is either. But it said a second amendment tax free bill. So is set up for the last weekend of August.

[B]

What to do.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's a lot of time on here. We're going to look at us, we're too a friendly. But then look at us. We're pushing this other stuff.

[A]

Well that's because you. We're getting into an election year.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for look at us. You can tell me that's not everything they do is it said it right.

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The whole system is set up for that.

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You know it Saves some people money. But it's not gonna save it. It's not gonna save people a ton of money. People are not buying.

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I mean, you're gonna go.

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Shouldn't be get rid of the tax altogether instead of just for a week if you're gonna do that.

[B]

Well, let's. Let's quit taxing our groceries first.

[A]

Let's do that. I think it's ridiculous that we tax grocery.

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Oh my gosh.

[A]

It's just. That blows my mind. I wonder how many states do tax.

[B]

I don't know. There's not many. And we're one of them. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's ridiculous. Oh, I didn't.

[B]

All right, go ahead. What you got next?

[A]

I got. I put it up. Wait a minute. I lost it. What? I did.

[B]

What?

[A]

You lose some of my stuff that we're going to be talking about?

[B]

Well, that's no good.

[A]

Oh, wait, it's over here.

[B]

All right, come on.

[A]

I got it. So we're going to do a little guns and gear. Now this segment brought to you by Clear Creek Shooting. For all your firearm needs, check out clear creek shooting33.com. I just added a new page. So if you live in the Huntsville, Decatur, Athens, Morgan county area, I put some information on there about FFL transfers and pricing and how that's done here by me. So if you're in this area, you know, you need to transfer done. I'm the guy to do it. So what's that look for?

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No, no, go ahead.

[A]

All right, so this first, this first one was something you brought up that was at shot show, which I didn't see it while I was there. It was down on the first. Down on the first floor and man, there's so much stuff and shot show there's no way you can see everything. And the first floor is down there where the eating rooms, eating places are and it's just packed. The booths are a little bit smaller there so it's easy to miss some of this stuff. But this is from Guesstimate Arms. Just have been armed. I'm not sure how you pronounce.

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This is ge Hungarian company is G

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E S T A M E N Arms and this is their G9 HSP. It's the first and only gun that, that I know of. Allows the user to swap the firearm between a hammer fired double action single action configuration and a double action single action striker fired configuration. It can be done in about 20 seconds. If you watch the video swaps, swap the internals to convert the gun from one design to the Other midly, you know, it looks pretty cool. I don't know if I'll, I'll get one just because I've got both types.

[B]

Yeah, it's not, it's not solving a problem people have.

[A]

No, but it's a cool, it's a cool concept.

[B]

Neat little concept. I did. I looked at some of the comments on it and some, you know, a lot of the comments were why? And he went, oh, that's neat. Neat little deal. That sort of stuff. One guy said, well, you know, one of the nice things about striker fires, you have a lower bore axis, but with this you don't because you got to have to have the hammer which is similar to P320 because they, their design was based off a hammer fired.

[A]

Yeah, it looks so it looks a bit like the CZP09. The one of the issues it is optics ready but the optics sits fairly high due to the use of the picatinny adapter. So you're. You're going to get it a little higher than what you would normally get it. But it does have a decocker that doubles as a safety. So it's. Yeah, it's a pretty neat concept. And you know, we ask why. Well, I mean you won't.

[B]

Yeah, you want things.

[A]

Innovation.

[B]

Innovation. So it's pretty. Yeah, I mean it's pretty cool to have and I can see where it'd be.

[A]

And if you're looking at. If you want a couple different types of guns and you don't really have the budget for it, this thing looks like the initial MSRP is going to be right around a thousand dollars. So you're thinking probably 900 or less for the gun. And you basically get, you get two. Two guns. You get. Well, yeah, so it's pretty cool. I thought it was neat. So that's a. Yeah, I liked it.

[B]

It just.

[A]

Yeah, just a min or guesstimate arms G9HSP.

[B]

That's a Hungarian company. Yeah.

[A]

Pretty. Pretty cool little concept there. And the next thing I got, I just ran across it today. So I had a lot of time to look too much into it but I thought it was just neat so I wanted to bring it up. And this is the anti matter scope switch 2.0. And it's, it's a scope mount. It's got a little slider. A little slider on it. It's a. That allows you to operate the. Mainly for an LPVO.

[B]

The scope switch 2.0 is a new type of scope mount that allows your offhand remain on the handguard while controlling zoom. This means you can adjust magnification while staying fully engaged on target. Ideal for high pressure shooting scenarios, hunting fast moving game or rapid competition transitions. Unlock your lpvo.

[A]

Yeah. So it basically uses a cable driven pulley system. Change the magnification. It weighs 6.3 ounces. So it's not light but. And working it. But it does work best with LPVOs that have a low resistance. Low resistance zoom rings. So if you got something that's pretty tight, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. But I thought it looked. I thought it looked neat. Especially if you're trying to do quick target acquisitions.

[B]

Indeed a few times by the way.

[A]

And it different. Different distances. It's a pretty cool design.

[B]

350 yeah.

[A]

3.349.99 is what is showing right here. Which for a. For a decent scope mount, you know it's not, not too, too bad with an extra. With their extra innovations on it.

[B]

So pretty high matter scope switch 2.0.

[A]

Yeah. So take a look at that.

[B]

If you're.

[A]

If you're looking for a scope mount, you want something to. If you got an LPVO that you want to be able to.

[B]

If you end up getting it, let us know what you think about it because. Yeah, we just, we. We don't have one so. And I don't plan on getting one.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. I'll look into more of. I doubt it. It's a bit pricey. I don't really have another. Another one to put it on now.

[B]

What's next? Let's move into.

[A]

That's all the gun gear had. You have anything on guns and gear?

[B]

Nothing more than just my continuing my Tier 1 holster and still doing okay. Oh, it's doing good. The man. It conceals so good with the. With the foam pads on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. I think it was comfortable without them, but it concealed so much better with them. I just. Yeah, I like it. It's doing well.

[A]

Good deal. All right, let's move on to some use of force. And I got a. Several road rage cases.

[B]

Better not stopping this right now. We better not have a single road race. But.

[A]

So this first one is out of Athens, Alabama, not too far from where we are. So deputies with the Limestone County Sheriff's Office were investigating a home invasion that ended up with a suspect shot and later arrested. And we're going to talk about this in terms of, you know, how this individual reacted and ended up being able to fire a shot at the home invader so the suspect was. Let me find where it talks about what he was doing so I can get it exactly right. So here we go. So the guy, the suspect was allegedly breaking into a. Into the victim's car Ed. That was parked at his home. When the homeowner confronted him. The suspect, allegedly. I don't know why it's allegedly he did it, pointed a rifle at the homeowner and chased him back into the home. When the homer got it back into the home, he was able to retrieve a firearm and fired I guess at least one shot at the. At the home invader striking him. And that's when the guy took off and left and was later captured. I can't remember if it was here in Decatur or up in Coleman area, but I guess must have been indicator because he was at the Decatur Morgan Hospital. So. So let's talk about this from a use of force perspective. I mean we know it's a good use of force, but I'm just looking in terms of. So you see somebody stealing your car and you go out and apparently he went out unarmed.

[B]

So how do you, how do you find. How do you.

[A]

I guess he heard the guy.

[B]

So situational awareness somewhat.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this was around midnight, so.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

And the. What's interesting is the, the home invader, car thief was. He had a pistol on him, a rifle on him and was wearing a bulletproof vest.

[B]

Really?

[A]

So he was, he was prepared. If we have my preparation. He was prepared.

[B]

What did you say the homeowner had?

[A]

It just said he retrieved a firearm and fired.

[B]

So readiness. He was ready.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was all right. Accuracy.

[A]

Well, he was treated for non life threatening injuries. But you're running into your house trying to get a firearm and you fire in a shot.

[B]

Oh, he went out without the fire. Firearm went back.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. When we talk about things to do differently.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We need to talk about whether or not you even go out. And if you do go out, do you go out with a firearm? Because now you could be in trouble for using force when you're protecting.

[B]

Yeah. I got a few ideas you could do other than run out there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he was effective. It seemed to be lawful and moral. So. So yeah. One thing. Yeah. Would surely have gone outside.

[A]

Yeah, that's the question.

[B]

So in Alabama you're going to want to, you're going to want to. To stop somebody. If I want somebody to stop from stealing my truck. But you could, I mean I could set my alarm off on my House.

[A]

Yeah. There's other things that you could do.

[B]

Because I said the alarm off on the truck, you do that.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. In Alabama, you cannot use deadly force to protect property.

[B]

Well, that's every state other than Texas, man. Yeah, I'm bringing it up. Yeah. Everybody knows that. Now, calm down. I'm just messing with you. It's good. Know that there's only one state that you.

[A]

So what I'm saying is, if you do go out with a firearm and you end up using it and the other person did not.

[B]

Yeah, you gotta be careful.

[A]

You gotta be careful with that. Now, let's say he went out with a bat. This guy had a pistol and a rifle on him. He could have been shot. So the. The question to your point is, do you even go out there?

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean, it's better not to if we're just gonna do. But it's hard.

[A]

It's hard to go that route.

[B]

Call the police, set off the alarm, set off your car alarm, turn lights on and that sort of thing. I mean, it's gonna be difficult not to go out and try to keep your vehicle from getting stolen. But that's what you probably should do to stay out of any other issues.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, if I am going outside at night, somebody that. I think somebody's outside, I'm going to carry my firearm. I might not have it visible to them, but I'm gonna have it right. Either behind my back, I'm gonna have it on me in case I. Yeah,

[B]

I wouldn't go out there without it.

[A]

I would. You know, if the person is continuing to try to steal the. The vehicle you can't use. You don't shoot him in the face. Face. You don't know. We don't talk about a case like that.

[B]

You shoot him in the face and you drag him in your house.

[A]

No, don't. Don't tell people.

[B]

You can't do that. He just joking. It's a joke, man. Come on now. Come on. Goodness.

[A]

No, don't.

[B]

What if he pushed him over into the passenger seat? You jump in the driver's seat and you say, I was leaving. He tried to carjack me a carjacking.

[A]

You could usually.

[B]

So there we go. Well, we make him a carjack because

[A]

that's not what he was. Hey, we are going to talk about on our third case of a case that his own was on Coleon Noir's site that he was talking about.

[B]

Man, your dog walks in, sit down on the couch, goes to sleep.

[A]

Go right to sleep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All Right. So the next one, this is out of Memphis and there is a video in it. So if you want to look up a. Look up a Memphis quick check store. And this happened, I think it's this month. I think it was pretty recent. So this is at a convenience store. It occurred, occurred around 10am so not, you know, not late at night or two early in the morning. So 10am so you had a, an individual walk in. He was approaching the checkout counter and he was approaching the checkout counter that he started to pull out a gun and he was pulling it out slowly where the clerk saw this happening and before the thief could get his gun all the way out, the clerk pulled his gun out and shot the guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The suspect was able to run away. The clerk did not shoot anymore, did not chase after him, but he did stop the, the robbery.

[B]

So good situational awareness, good awareness, watching what was going, somebody coming in, he's not, you know, he's not doing other things. Somebody walks in, he. He puts his eyes on him. That's good. He was ready.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Gun. He was, he was carrying the gun. It wasn't underneath some shelf. It was, he didn't have to go retrieve.

[A]

Yeah, it looked like it was probably appendix carry the way he drew.

[B]

Yeah, which is, I mean that's the fastest way to get a draw.

[A]

Good draw. I mean he saw the guy starting to raise the gun and before the guy could raise the gun, he already had his gun.

[B]

Drew fired, he was accurate, he was effective.

[A]

Stopped when there was no longer a threat seen.

[B]

There's a lawful guy was going for a weapon.

[A]

The guy already had a weapon out. He was pulling the weapon out. He could see the weapon.

[B]

Right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then obviously moral. I mean, you know, we got other options, but I don't know what else you do there.

[A]

What is your other option there? I don't know what the other option is.

[B]

No, nothing good. I mean, you don't want to. You can't just start running from me and you get shot in the bag. I think he did exactly what he needed to do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He was ready for it. He performed well. Stay calm. He didn't shoot running behind his back and shoot his wife, any of that stuff.

[A]

He was terrible.

[B]

He. It's that, that seems, that's, that's the type of self defense scenarios we need to be talking about on this show.

[A]

This is one of the better use of forces that I've seen just from the whole, everything involved with it. He did he did exactly the right thing.

[B]

Yeah. Stop shooting. Didn't Chase called police did what he was supposed to do. So that's good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Any update? Did the guy die? They get him? Any update on that? Do you know the suspect was able

[A]

to run away from the scene? That was the last.

[B]

Yeah, I heard you say that.

[A]

That was the last. Okay. Last I've seen of that. Okay. He said it did hit him, so I'm.

[B]

Yeah, so, yeah, that's why I said accurate earlier.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just telling you. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You get upset, man. You get upset easy. I just happy you're in the microphone in this episode.

[A]

Yeah, the sound was a little off. I will have to say that Tony did mention how much he liked Misty being on the. On the podcast. So she was pretty excited to hear that the sound was a bit off on the last episode because I was trying to go back and forth, letting Misty talk. We didn't have enough microphones.

[B]

But even when you weren't, you weren't in the microphone.

[A]

Well, I'm trying to do better.

[B]

Yeah, you change. You're doing better today.

[A]

Set up. You're doing. Try to make the sound better. But we do need to get more, more reviews, good reviews so we can get our algorithm up to get this podcast out to more people.

[B]

All right, what's your next. What's your next one?

[A]

So this next one, I was. I saw this from Cole Young Noir. So this was a case and it went through the court system and the individual was eventually acquitted by a jury. And I want to. Want to stress that this is. I think it was out of Portland, Oregon, if I remember correctly.

[B]

You can find it was. Find it on YouTube.

[A]

Yeah. And this was a. At a cannabis shop. So you had three individuals coming into a cannabis shop. And I don't think there was anybody in there other than the.

[B]

The employee.

[A]

The employee.

[B]

We don't know if it's employee.

[A]

The owner working store owner slash employee who was. They all had guns and. And they eventually made him leave. Made him leave the premises or go outside while they stayed inside and was. Was taking things. He goes out and you can see him on security camera go out. He. He retrieves a gun from a bag that. I don't know where he got the bag, but he retrieved a gun from that goes back and it looked like a drive through window or window.

[B]

Look like a drive through, drive through window.

[A]

And started shooting at the suspects inside, striking all three, killing two. The other one was able to escape, but he ended up getting shot later in Another robbery a couple weeks later and died. They're all three dead at this point. But okay, he was only, he was only charged with two of the deaths. He was charged with first degree murder. And it did go through the court system. The jury acquitted him because they used to say it was self defense. Now where I, where I want to get to this ad is we've got to be consistent when we, when we deem something self defense or not, regardless of who's being shot in this, in, in that type of situation. So here, you know, you've got the elements of self defense and I don't think all the elements were here in this case. He could have left. He left.

[B]

Well, he did, he did leave.

[A]

He came back. You could say he escalated it to a gun.

[B]

Well, they had the guns, but they didn't shoot at him at first.

[A]

Yeah, he wasn't in. He. There was. Yeah.

[B]

Already said imminence.

[A]

Yeah. I think amnes is the biggest.

[B]

Oh, I think so too. So I'm surprised that he was acquitted. What was interesting is I think they probably shouldn't have charged him with first degree murder.

[A]

I think that's what saved him. Yeah, I think that's what saved him from being convicted.

[B]

Oh, absolutely.

[A]

Because they tried to overcharge.

[B]

They always do. Yeah. So, yeah, he's lucky. He, he, he had an opportunity to leave, to call the police, to get out of there. His life was no longer in danger as soon as he walked out of that, that building and then he came back and put his life back in danger.

[A]

So don't put yourself back in that situation. Just because you won the gunfight this time doesn't mean you're always going to win those type of situations, man. You're, you're out of it. Please.

[B]

How much do you think he wish he hadn't done it when he sitting there in a jail cell with first degree murder charge for over, I think

[A]

a year or two. No.

[B]

Tell him how much money you had to pay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's awful. I don't want to have to deal with that.

[A]

No, if you can, if you can avoid it, avoid it. There's no. On this one. I don't, I don't see how I'm surprised he got off. But Coleon was, was arguing the opposite direction, that this was illegal, just use of force. Yeah, I think he's wrong too.

[B]

No, he, maybe he may have gotten acquitted, but it's not. I mean it wasn't.

[A]

Am I upset that you got these thieves that are off the.

[B]

No, but I Still surprised that he got off.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think this was. I don't think there's.

[B]

He's, he's very lucky he did not

[A]

meet the elements of self defense in this case.

[B]

So luckily, luckily he's not in jail for, for that.

[A]

Yeah. So interesting case.

[B]

I'm glad he's not. But yeah, I'm glad he's not.

[A]

I'm glad he was. Okay. But I look at it more in terms of why put yourself back in danger now?

[B]

Hey you can. We can look at. Yeah, yeah. We can go back to our grading criteria. I'm not sure how good a situational awareness he had. Obviously he wasn't ready cuz he didn't had to go retrieve a gun. Accuracy. Pretty dang good. He got all three of them accurately. Effective. Ah, I'm, I'm.

[A]

It was lawful. It was effective but it was lawful. Immoral.

[B]

Yeah. So moral.

[A]

Maybe moral, but I don't think it was law. I'm.

[B]

Yeah, either way. So yeah, I mean but if he's lucky him. That's all I can say from the

[A]

legal side of it. There was, there's definitely no imminence. I know they were arguing. Well they didn't. He didn't know if these guys were going to come back after him. Well you never know that. Well they weren't chasing, they were not chasing after him. He could have left, called the police, stayed outside. I mean there's a lot of things he could have done other than come back and start shooting at these guys. Like I said, luckily they weren't able to fire back and hit him. So yeah, good on his part.

[B]

He's not, he's not in jail.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad he's not in jail. You got, you got to be careful with it. We're not concealed carry holders are not police and we can't act like that. We're. We're the police. Right. So that's all the use of force stuff I had.

[B]

Now what you got next?

[A]

That's it.

[B]

I mean, that's it.

[A]

What do you mean what I mean

[B]

we've done, we've done in the news,

[A]

we've done guns and gear now we've done use it for us. Now we're going to run into state,

[B]

state and territorial laws and we're going

[A]

to hit Puerto Rico this time.

[B]

Before you start, go ahead.

[A]

Interesting. You can, you can bypass the next background check if you have a concealed carry permit for Puerto Rico.

[B]

I'm not sure about that.

[A]

Yes you can. I looked on the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's on the ATF website. Absolutely. Your news, if you said you can't is old because the Brady List, I

[B]

don't ever look that up.

[A]

Yeah, the Brady list got updated back in spring of 2025. So yes, you can.

[B]

Do you know where Puerto Rico's at?

[A]

Yeah, it's in the water.

[B]

Where? Where's Puerto Rico? Tell me where. Tell me where Puerto Rico. Don't look at the map. Don't look at the map. Just tell me where you think Puerto Rico at.

[A]

You trying to look stupid on here. I over close to. I know you going to say now you can.

[B]

All right, go see. See if you can point to it

[A]

on 11% gun ownership there. So 11, 11 out of 100 people on a gun.

[B]

Point to it on the map. Point it on. You're not even close, man. Yeah, it's in the Caribbean. Caribbean? Yeah, that's where I was pointing. He's pointing over. No, you weren't pointing low point toward California.

[A]

No, I was not.

[B]

I was pointing right at the Bahamas. Yeah, it's south of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. South of Cuba.

[A]

Yeah, that's where I was porting.

[B]

South of Florida.

[A]

Tell people I wouldn't point there.

[B]

You weren't pointing there.

[A]

Oh, you're a liar.

[B]

All right, so the Puerto Rico officially is the commonwealth of Puerto Rico self governing Caribbean archipelago.

[A]

Caribbean or Caribbean.

[B]

Yes, it's a. It was archipelago as a group or chain. Arc Archipelago.

[A]

They bunch of singers.

[B]

Shut up. And I'll tell you what that means. It's a group or chain or group of islands. All right.

[A]

I thought it was like four people

[B]

saying is an island organized as an uncor. Unincorporated territory of the United States under the designation of the Commonwealth. So located about a thousand miles southeast of Miami, Florida between the Dominican Republic. Boom.

[A]

Right where I was pointing.

[B]

And yeah. 1898, following the Spanish American or Puerto Rico was acquired by the United States.

[A]

More taken, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we won that.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

[B]

Puerto Rico is been a.

[A]

You start doing that.

[B]

Well, you've been a Puerto rican citizen since 1917. What they became citizens state territory. 1917. Okay. They become U.S. citizens since 1917.

[A]

Are they U.S. citizens?

[B]

Yeah, they can move freely between Puerto Rico and. And anywhere in the United States.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

Most are exempt from federal income tax on personal income earned in Puerto Rico.

[A]

Oh man, I need to move to Puerto Rico.

[B]

Well, I'm not sure they do a lot of what it a. What, the pharmaceuticals in Puerto Rico. Yeah. So Puerto Rico's economy Economy is mainly driven by manufacturing, primarily pharmaceuticals, textiles, petrochemicals and electronics.

[A]

So that's why we keep them. That's why we keep them round.

[B]

They do like 95% of the pacemakers are made in Puerto Rico.

[A]

Where's the.

[B]

I'm just, that's.

[A]

How do you live on a 95 pacemaker?

[B]

Yeah. Stupid. It's not even funny. So. All right, so let's. That's a little history of it. Let's get into the gun laws. It is not a constitutional carry state. There's no open carry. You can get a concealed carry. Concealed carry at age of 21. Your permit is valid for 5 years.

[A]

Hold on a second. Before you continue, I want to go back to one thing. When we're talking about the. The law that was introduced for Alabama. Yeah, that Senate. Senate bill. So they. The concealed carry permit is for 19 years old and up.

[B]

Well, that's what it currently. Yeah.

[A]

I thought it was when we had the. I thought it was 18.

[B]

No, it's nothing.

[A]

Oh, you could carry.

[B]

You can get a permit in 19, you know.

[A]

Oh, you can buy. You could buy one at 18.

[B]

I can't. No, you can't buy. Remember because we had that pistol T21.

[A]

We had that class.

[B]

Yeah, it's 19.

[A]

You can have a.

[B]

Go ahead. You're killing me. Over.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Non resident permits is a yes. So we could go there and get a Puerto Rican permit. Permit.

[A]

How hard is it to get those?

[B]

I'll get there in a minute. There are no mag limits. Puerto Rico does not recognize permits from any US State.

[A]

Recognize Alabama.

[B]

There are no red flag laws in Puerto Rico. So. So can a non resident conceal carry in Puerto Rico?

[A]

No.

[B]

Sometimes. Although reciprocity is not yet extended to any US State, non resident permits are offered to any United States citizen or legal resident over the age of 21. Traveling to Puerto Rico with a firearm is a. A bit complicated, however. And we'll get into that in a minute.

[A]

A little bit like if you had

[B]

a competition or something over there. So to obtain a Puerto Rican CCW permit, you must meet certain eligibility requirements. Be at least 21 years old. Be a citizen or legal resident of the U.S. earn a certificate of use of and handling of firearms by a certified instructor from the Puerto Rico Police Bureau. That's training, in case you didn't follow that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Be legally permitted to possess a firearm under federal law. So you have to have a. A permit to purchase as well.

[A]

You have a permit. Where did it say permit to purchase?

[B]

You should be legally permitted to possess a firearm under federal law.

[A]

Who. Who gives that permit?

[B]

Maybe that's not what. I'm pretty sure that's what that means.

[A]

I don't know if that's what that means. You have to be legally able.

[B]

Be legally permitted to possess a firearm. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not saying you're permitted to have one.

[A]

It's not a permit. If you're permitted to legally buy one,

[B]

be legally permanently able to possess a firearm under federal law. Okay, who.

[A]

Who provides that permit then I think you're wrong with that.

[B]

Puerto Rican Police Bureau.

[A]

Okay, whatever.

[B]

So persons with weapons license from other jurisdictions, people with a gun license from other jurisdictions, in order to have the same rights and privilege and enjoyed by people with a gun license from Puerto Rico must comply with the requirements set forth in Act 168 2019. The Puerto Rico Police Bureau Commissioner may establish a memorandum of understanding with states and or territories in the United States that have similar requirements to Law 168 2019.

[A]

Hey, if anybody's listening from Puerto Rico, could you give me a clarification on what type of permits you have to have to permit to purchase?

[B]

Once the Puerto Rico Police Bureau.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Commissioner established the MOUs, the person who meets the established requirements and intends to introduce one or more weapons and or ammunition to Puerto Rico shall inform the Division of Weapons Registry and License Insurance. Said notifications shall be made through the PPR 1062 inform. So you know that's very helpful. Infeasible. The notification will be made through a link on their website. And I think you have to do within. You have to have five business days before you you arrive. So if you're a competition shooting, you have to let them know five days before if you're not now if you're going to be a competition shooter, it will not be necessary to obtain a weapons license or special license for target shooting competition participants for athletes domiciled outside of Puerto Rico as long as they are held within a facility licensed by the Bureau of Licensing and Inspection Investigations of Firearms.

[A]

It's like a club. So you have to send your firearm to the club directly.

[B]

I think you can carry it to the club, but yeah, how can you carry the club?

[A]

What if you get.

[B]

I'm telling you because you've already registered it before you get there. It will be. If you'll shut up, I will finish asking questions. It will be necessary for any.

[A]

Shut up again.

[B]

Federation, association or shooting organization to organize any target shooting competition and invite athletes domiciled Outside of Puerto Rico and that they attend to travel to Puerto Rico with their firearms and.

[A]

Or.

[B]

And. Or ammunition to notify with a minimum of 10 working days in advance of the entry of the correspondent of the entry of the firearms and or ammunition of the participants of the competition of the competition and obtain their corresponding permit from the division of registration of weapons, an insurance of license prior toward the entry with those items.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. That sounds ridiculous not to go through all that.

[B]

It's a. It's. That's why I said it's Gets complicated.

[A]

That's ridiculous.

[B]

So you can. You could go do a competition without having to get a Puerto rican permit, but you got to go through some.

[A]

Isn't the doj filing a. A lawsuit against Puerto Rico? I know they were doing. Wasn't it Puerto Rico that they were doing?

[B]

Yeah, I think.

[A]

Did you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So in your research, you didn't find that?

[B]

No.

[A]

That's some good research right there.

[B]

Shut up. I had a lot of history and stuff. I've been looking at Puerto Rico and all this kind of crap, man. I just wrote down a little bit. I had. Give me a break.

[A]

I didn't ask you. I thought the doj was their. That new division they started, civil rights division was suing the. Suing Puerto Rico for their. The lack of giving out concealed carry permits.

[B]

Well, it is a shell are you shall issue.

[A]

By the way, Are you looking that up or.

[B]

No, I ain't looking up.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Why am I looking that up? They. They don't have any castle doctrine on the law or duty there. It says there may be a duty to retreat, but you had to go look at their laws to know for sure. So it's. You have to dive deep into there. Into their laws.

[A]

No, I'm gonna look that up real quick.

[B]

No, I ain't looking up nothing.

[A]

Tell me. I ain't.

[B]

I'm doing it right here. Nah, you ain't gonna be able to find anything.

[A]

What do you mean? Whatever.

[B]

Your Internet sucks out here. Your wi fi is terrible.

[A]

The u. S. Department of justice has active ongoing federal oversight and litigation against the puerto rico police bureau regarding constitutional violations police pro brutality, unlawful searches under a consent degree. That's not the one I was talking about.

[B]

No, I'm good. I'm glad you brought that up.

[A]

Let's see.

[B]

A valid weapons or gunsmith license is required to acquire, buy, transport, sale, donate, transfer, have, possess, guard, carry, use or drive with weapons, firearms, ammunition, and any. Any regulated firearm accessory. Boom. There you go.

[A]

I didn't hear what you said. What'd you say?

[B]

You gotta have a. When I said earlier, you gotta have a license to purchase.

[A]

Okay, catch this says they didn't. So they're suing the u. S. Virgin islands, not Puerto Rico.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't think it's Puerto Rico. Well, I didn't see anything. You acted like I didn't do research. I did a lot of research on this. Thank you.

[A]

Okay, good job. That's better than the two minutes you normally do do.

[B]

No, last two I've done research on. Give me a break. I'm a busy person. Good job. Busy, busy.

[A]

Read. My wife's going to take your spot. So we get this podcast a little more popular. Go ahead, J. I ain't saying nothing. What else you got?

[B]

That's Puerto Rico.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, what's next? Do you know?

[A]

Yeah, well, nothing.

[B]

Nothing. What do you mean nothing? Next.

[A]

Why do you keep saying like that?

[B]

No, the next state, dummy.

[A]

Oh, I don't know. What would you do next on the podcast? We call me dummy for you.

[B]

There ain't nothing next. We got more states to go. Rhode island is Rhode island, just so you know.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[B]

Rhode island's next.

[A]

Hey, we do. I mentioned it last in Puerto Rico.

[B]

I will find it.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Go ahead and put a pin in it.

[A]

So we did sign up.

[B]

I pointed out you're right there. Put a picture. Wait a minute. Come on. Put a pin in. Thank you.

[A]

Put a pen in it. So we, we did sign up and got our tickets for the gun policy conference coming up in September, Northeast Bahamas. So that's going to be interesting. It's just still a little bit of ways away, but looking forward to that. But yeah, that's. That's all I've got. Do you got anything else?

[B]

I'm waiting for you to put a pin.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Come on, let's see if you can find it on there. Here we go. I wish we had this on video. Watching you do this. I haven't even told you where it was. Still struggling, ain't you? He has no idea. Do you know where the. The Caribbean is? You can't find it. That's good stuff right there. Hey, you see all those little island chains right up there? You see Cuba anywhere? Look for Cuba, man.

[A]

It not in here because b don't go down far enough.

[B]

Hey, look at over here. Look over here.

[A]

All right, I'm done.

[B]

Look over here. You put. You can put on this one.

[A]

I'll put it. I'll just make a spot up there for it. It's not listed on that map.

[B]

How many not listed on that map?

[A]

Do you see it? Yeah, I see it. Yeah.

[B]

All right, it's right here.

[A]

So. This is a different map there, you idiot. The name is not there.

[B]

All right, yeah, I'll do it. I'll do it when we get done.

[A]

My goodness, these are irritating.

[B]

You get anything else? No, I'm good, man.

[A]

That's all I got.

[B]

We're everything.

[A]

Guns.

[B]

We're out. Good stuff right there.