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Jane Marie
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Kim France
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Jane Marie
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Jen Romolini
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Jane Marie
Foreign.
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Dan
Hi and welcome to Everything Is Fine a podcast for women over 40. We are your hosts. I'm Kim France.
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Jen Romolini
And I'm Jen Romolini.
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Dan
And we have such a good episode today. I'm really excited for it.
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Jen Romolini
Yes, we have podcast royalty Jane Marie on I. Every time I talk to her I'm like, I can't believe how much shit you do. Like, I just can't believe that like she's just like a. She's just a very successful person in a way that I admire and like don't find gross. You know, like, which is very difficult for me. Honestly.
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Dan
It doesn't come off gross. It really doesn't come off gross. Like she's talking and she doesn't brag about any of it. It just comes across as she's talking about things. And then she mentioned that she was a foster parent on top of all the other things.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, she's just cool. She's just cool. So a good. Just a heads up to listeners, we talk a lot about her interview with Marc Maron, which came out last week or two weeks ago, I don't know, three weeks ago last month. I don't know. It came out recently. She did an interview with Marc Maron, and that was sort of the stepping off point for this episode because I found it really interesting to have a person I'm fairly close to be interviewed by Marc Maron. And then the backlash she got just because she was a lady on his podcast I thought was interesting.
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Dan
Yeah, interesting and gross. And gross.
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Jen Romolini
Thinks too much of herself. It's just like.
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Dan
Thinks too much of herself. Like, God, God forbid. God forbid any of us should actually be coming from a place of emotional.
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Jen Romolini
Strength and own our accomplishments. Like, God forbid we're not, like, humble and like, oh, you know, I did it, but, you know, it was. I didn't feel that great about, you know, like, just making ourselves smart. Small, small, small, tiny little ladies.
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Dan
Yep. There are so few models for it. You know, there are just so few models for, like, being really successful and being really confident and not taking shit.
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Jen Romolini
And not getting shit and not being a gross monster. So, like, that's the only model for it is like the lean in bullshit.
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Dan
Yeah, the Cheryl Sandberg.
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Jen Romolini
That's it. You have that model of like, girl boss strutting around like. Yeah, but that always feels so perform. Like, where do you go with. Especially at our ages, like, we've seen and done a lot of shit and yet the world still wants to treat us like they're their little girls.
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Dan
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
Anyway, Kim is in Philly right now in a hotel room, so if her sound is bad, apologies. I don't know, but Natalie will probably work miracles with it. But just a heads up.
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Dan
Sorry, guys.
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Jen Romolini
Sorry, guys, but we're doing all right. I'm sitting in a bathroom.
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Jane Marie
It's all fine.
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Jen Romolini
This is a fucking professional show.
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Dan
Okay? Let's get into it.
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Jen Romolini
Our guest today is Jane Marie. Jane is a Peabody and Emmy award winning journalist, a former producer of this American Life, and the host of the acclaimed podcast the Dream, which recently by popular demand, relaunched as a weekly interview show exploring all aspects of the American dream. You may also know Jane as a former columnist at Jezebel, the Hairpin and the Toast. Welcome, Jane. Hello.
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Jane Marie
Hi. Thanks for having me back.
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Jen Romolini
Hi. You're so welcome. So obviously I've known you for a long time and I love you. But we're also weirdly, accidentally having a crossover episode because you just interviewed me yesterday on the dream and we both wound up crying.
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Dan
So are you a crybaby like Jen?
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Jane Marie
I cry so easily. It's, it's a. It's. It's something I have to, like, tell dates. Like, day one, like, I might run to the bathroom. You know, I might have to run to the bathroom. And it may not have anything to do with, like, my emotions about you. It could just be like the wrong song comes on and I gotta go.
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Jen Romolini
Just sad. So my question for you, Jane, just to start things off is, how's your American dream going?
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Jane Marie
Every meeting I have lately, I either start or end with like, so I would like to make money. And then. So can you tell me how you're. Why we're having this meeting? Because my point in having this meeting at this late age is so that I may make money and I've never made money.
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Dan
You know what, that's so funny. Cause we've all been in so many meetings where halfway through we're like, wait, actually, they just want something from me for free?
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Jane Marie
Yes. Yes, they want something for free or they want you to promote their thing. Really? Even though, you know, they're pretending like they have something to offer, which is like, you could be. Oh, my God. I just got an email today from a guy who was like, I read your book and I loved it. You should make a podcast.
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Jen Romolini
No.
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Jane Marie
Our company makes podcasts. You'll only need to give us one hour a month. And I was like, well, that sounds like a crappy podcast. I don't want to be on that one. But yeah, they. Yeah, so I do definitely say right away, or if I haven't said it throughout the meeting, I forgot, I'll say at the end, like, my whole purpose here is to earn a living. And I've never been able to really do that. I don't get child support to speak of. It's a few hundred dollars. But the person lived in New York. Yeah, my American dream, you know, I do. I love my child and I have a home and I have a 14 year old car. So, like, what am I complaining about?
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Jen Romolini
And you can go to the grocery store, like, at this point, like, this is where we're at, you know, and.
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Jane Marie
Like, we love Aldi. We are an Aldi household.
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Dan
Are you an Aldi? I'm very curious about Aldi. Cause they have them on the east coast now.
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Jane Marie
It's My mom's favorite grocery store. I was turned onto them by my mother. So my brother used to work at Trader Joe's. And there's some whole, like, lore about them being, like, family rivals or something. I don't really remember the story, but they're. They're connected in some way. Aldi and Trader Joe's. I don't like Trader Joe's because I'm not a snacker, and Trader Joe's is a snack store to me. And also their produce goes bad immediately. They have, like, the worst produce, but Aldi is more like staple foods, you know, like, yes, they have really affordable salmon and lunch meats and things like that and bread. And their produce also really sucks. Like, they get the real the dregs of the produce. So I don't know.
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Jen Romolini
But it has great. Nobody has great. I mean, like, the only place has great produce is Gilson's or. Yes, Gilson's, where, like, sprouts or erewhon. Like, places where you have to spend. Like, the grocery store where Angelina Jolie shops has the best produce I've ever seen.
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Jane Marie
There's a whole economy with produce. I listened to a story. I can't remember who reported it. It might have been Adam Davidson, but it was an NPR story about the Hudson Yards produce market in New York and how the hierarchy of who gets to buy the best produce, which companies get to go in there and get the really good stuff, and then down, down, down, down, down to your local bodega gets, like, last dibs, you know, on buying produce. Wow. Produce. This is like. Is this a new grocery show?
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Dan
It's grocery podcast.
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Jen Romolini
Sometimes it's the weather podcast. Like, we just like the really hard hitting topics around here. Like, that's sometimes weird.
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Dan
My hands are really small podcast.
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Jen Romolini
Yes. Sometimes it's like, are my hands too small? Maybe my feet are too small. That's why my feet look like hooves in. You know, if I wear a wide leg jean, you know, it's really.
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Jane Marie
It's whatever we do. Wait, what size are your feet?
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Jen Romolini
My size? My feet are an eight and a half, but they suffer. They look like hooves, though, often. I'm not lying to you. Like, it's a real thing. I have to, like, be. I have to watch out for. I mean, not really at all.
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Dan
So we wanted to have you on because we heard your interview with Marc Maron last week, and you came across super confident in that conversation in a way that women are often afraid to be. And you got some backlash from Maren's male listeners. Right.
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Jen Romolini
Yes.
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Jane Marie
But he told me that all women do that. Come on the show.
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Dan
That is so disappointing.
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Jane Marie
Absolutely. I mean, the other thing is I know Mark more than he was letting on, which I thought was very kind of him to not say, like, this is my friend, because I think I probably would have gotten even more. But, you know, this is nothing new to me. And I'm. I've even given a presentation at a women's podcast conference about not reading the comments just because statistically, it's mostly dudes. They're mostly negative comments. All comments. The ratio of good to bad comments is mostly bad because people have to be motivated to actually get online. And anger motivates way more than pleasure. And so I knew what to expect. Plus, the things that they're mad at me about are the same every single time. It's three things. One, I don't like her voice. I don't like her laugh, and she seems very pleased with herself. And those three things we watched happen in our last presidential election, those three criticisms.
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Dan
Y.
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Jane Marie
So I'm not alone, obviously, not to compare myself to Kamala Harris, but, you know, it's the same criticism she was getting. Well, what's her confidence coming? Who does she think she is? And why does she laugh like that? And how come her voice sounds weird or she has an accent, whatever. But, yeah, men are the worst. Full stop.
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Dan
We're getting a lot of that this week. It's a big week for men. Suck.
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Jane Marie
Yeah, they are. They're horrible. They're just like, stop. And we did talk about that on Mark's show a little bit too. How we're still in the era of boys will be boys, that sort of thing.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah.
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Jane Marie
And people need. I mean, parents need to do better.
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Dan
Well, you know, I was thinking about this because I was. You know, one of the things we wanted to talk to you about is the fact that you're on dating apps in middle age, which I also was for quite a long time. You know, I was on the apps. It's a fucking shallow, polluted pool. But, you know, I found a bright spot. Please share.
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Jane Marie
That's right. I have recently found. Yeah. Especially for people our age. So I've taken a pause for the moment, but. Because, wow. Just too much attention. But, like, I'm overwhelmed. My inbox is full. Or they call it polysaturated. When you're on these dating apps and you have too many people that you're talking to. But Field used to be a kind of kink centric dating app, but I think it's it's the best one for women, you know, perimenopausal or post, because the parameters for the men don't set such tight parameters if they don't worry about you wanting to get married and have babies with them.
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Jen Romolini
Right.
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Jane Marie
So like, I can't have babies, obviously. And I've been married so many times, only I've been married a couple of times, been engaged a million times, and I don't want to do any of that again. And so that app in particular attracts women of a certain age and also men who don't care and just want to. I mean, some of them just want to fuck, but some of them want a nice dinner date who isn't going to call them later other than to say thank you. And I've had a lot more luck on that one lately than Tinder or, you know, all the Christian ones, which I haven't really tried, but.
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Jen Romolini
And what does luck look like? Like, I can't even. I've been, I've been in this, I've been in this, you know, heteronormat, you know, sex jail for so long. I just am curious. Like, what does it look like? Like out there? Like when you just first start getting back into the apps at a certain age, like, what does it, what does it feel like look like?
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Jane Marie
What's a date?
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Jen Romolini
Like what, the whole fucking thing?
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Jane Marie
Well, so I am as shallow as everyone in that I do this thing. And I learned this when I was hosting the Tinder podcast. They have an in house social work or social sociologist who studies the way people behave in these apps. And you do this thing called thin slicing, which is you see very little information and you make a decision, decision super quick on tiny, tiny bits of information. So men tend to not do thin slicing as much. They just swipe right, swipe right, swipe right and hope they get lucky. Right. Women take like half a second longer to say, does that person actually seem attractive physically to me? And then you read their profile. So that is how I'm beginning the search, you know, for a date. But I've had luck in that I've met up with seemingly decent people who like me, you know, and who are okay with whatever answer I give them about whether things are going to go somewhere or not. I'm again, I think that comes with age. I remember being, you know, in my 20s and one time being like held up against a door because this person bought me dinner and I didn't want them to come to walk me home. I didn't want them to know where I lived. I didn't like them, and they wouldn't let it go. And I think that that's changed in the last couple decades, since I've been. I was busy for a few of those decades, and now I'm back out there. And I think politeness goes a long way, and I'm finding people to be more polite and straightforward. And, um, of course, 99% of the folks, because we're looking for men are the worst.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah.
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Jane Marie
But the. The ones that I. I've just had really good luck that I go on nice dates and they pay and. And are kind and curious. I did have one person that halfway through our date, admitted that they know who I am or, like, they are a fan of my work.
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Dan
Oh, weird.
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Jane Marie
Mm. It really bothered me that. That he didn't say something because he could have said it at any time. Like, he knew it when we matched and he could have said it then.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, I was actually going to ask about that because I. Something like that, because, you know, I really love the tone of the dream, and I think it's. I think the Voice is really accessible and it's honest, but you also expose, you know, a lot of yourself. Right. And parasocial relationships can be so weird. And at least I often feel violated by some of the feedback we get here. And, like, how do you. How do you. How do you navigate that? You've been doing this kind of shit for a long time.
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Jane Marie
Yeah. And I was very lucky to work at the Hairpin, where we had the very best interactions with our audience. We cultivated this comment section and an email system where we were just nice. Even when I was at Jezebel, which was under Gawker, which is, like, notorious for having, like, the worst. The worst audience interactions even there. What I do is I respond to everything with very kind of naive positivity. Almost everything.
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Jen Romolini
Oh, my God, that's amazing.
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Jane Marie
Like, the man that emailed me this morning about making my book into a podcast, which, for those who don't know, my podcast actually inspired the book. So he didn't do his homework, but he said, can I please send you a deck and an example of what we would like to do to turn your book into a podcast? And I said, sure, I'd love to see it. Like, you know, why not? I'm not going to scold him or whatever. And I don't actually. I feel. Knock on wood, I feel very lucky because I have not had scary interactions with strangers. I don't know why I've never been Sued for anything I've said about anyone. Which is crazy because I was hoping for that, that something I made would be important enough that someone would try to sue me or give me a cease and desist or something like that. Never happened. I haven't had a stalker. I haven't. I think it's because I don't meet antagonization with either defense or more antagonizing.
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Jen Romolini
Right.
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Jane Marie
I just act like kind of a sweet ding dong and people usually get very bored right away and don't continue the interaction.
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Jen Romolini
Right. Because the satisfaction comes from getting. Getting you. Getting the rise. Getting like getting at you.
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Jane Marie
Yeah. Well, there's all this information now on TikTok about like how to deal with narcissists and all this stuff. But the real thing is like, just don't feed them.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Jane Marie
You know, starve them of the thing that they're probably looking for. Well. While also being kind and allowing for the idea that maybe, maybe they were having a bad day. I did have an email the other day from someone who got mad at me for saying Free Luigi on the show.
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Dan
Oh, I saw that.
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Jane Marie
Yeah. This guy, this doctor emailed me about my thoughts about healthcare and UnitedHealth in particular. And I wrote him back and said, thank you for your email and for your thoughts. And he was pretty angry. And I said thank you for your email and your thoughts. If you'd like to come on the show and speak to me about it, I'd appreciate that. And then he immediately capitulated and went, oh, I'm not really good at public speaking. I'm sorry. And so I don't know, I just. Yeah, I don't give them what they're looking for.
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Dan
I guess that's kind of excellently passive aggressive.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, it is. It's a kind of like. It's a little bit of grin fucking. You know what I mean? It's like a little bit. It's like very smart. We used to at hello Giggles. Whenever we would get negative comments, we would just respond with a picture of like a very sweet picture of a kitten.
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Jane Marie
Or if someone, if someone like sex shames me or something, I put like. I go like la la, you know, like, who me?
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Jen Romolini
But your feelings don't get hurt. My feelings still get hurt. Like I feel like because I'm. They don't get hurt. My feelings still get hurt.
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Jane Marie
I'm like, oh, never.
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Dan
I don't. I don't get that hurt anymore either. I think, I think I just. It was all those years that Conde Nast and Being, like, beaten up on by everybody outside of Conde Nast, that made me stop being hurt by it.
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Jane Marie
My feelings get hurt internally within, like, the structure of my business. Like, the fact that I'm the only one that gets. You know, I have a partner, Dan, who is on the show sometimes and also, like, produces and mixes, and he edits me. But he's not a public figure in the same. Well, he's a way more public figure than me because he's a famous rock star, but he doesn't have, like, the social media.
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Jen Romolini
He was immodest mouse for everybody who doesn't know the band. Yes, continue.
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Jane Marie
I didn't know the band when I met him, and that's probably what got me in the door. I'm also not a fan. I also. I thought they were an emo band, and I still kind of do, but they're like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we do. Anyways, he doesn't get.
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Jen Romolini
He doesn't get the same level of flack that you do.
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Jane Marie
Well, no one says, dear Dan, right? You know, I didn't like your laugh. Like they say, free Dan. Actually the first or second season, when we get really into our relationship, and then this third season, when we talked about our breakup, there's, like, this hashtag sometimes that goes around Reddit and stuff. That's like, free Dan. Because they think I'm an asshole to him. So my feelings get hurt in that I have to deal with it alone, you know, that I'm, like, the lone target of. No one Gets Mad at Pushkin, our publisher last year. Now we're independent. And no one got mad at Stitcher, and no one gets mad at all of these really powerful people around me. They get mad at little old me, who is just doing my best at the only job I think I'm good at at the moment. And so that gets frustrating. But what people say personally, okay, this thing happened to me when I was pregnant. We were leaving UCLA hospital after, like, a wellness. Like, a checkup with the Midwives. And my husband at the time cut a guy off on the road, and the guy got out of his car and was, like, holding his hip, like he had a gun and was walking up to the car. And I immediately in the passenger seat was just like, I am so sorry. I'm so. I am so. Because what was he doing at the hospital campus? You know, his mom probably just died or something. And I just try to. I know this is, like, very old, like, boring advice, but, like, you don't know what somebody's days. You don't know what they're doing. They're either like a troll, like literally a basement troll who. Who does nothing but try to pick on people, or there's somebody who's having, like, a really shitty day and you seem like a good target for their frustrations. And I just try to assume that that's what's going on rather than to assume I'm a ding dong.
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Jen Romolini
Well, you're a ding ding, even though.
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Jane Marie
I am a ding dong, but, you.
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Jen Romolini
Know, you're not a ding dong.
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Jane Marie
I don't want to beat myself up all the time, but you beat yourself up as a mom and you beat yourself up as a partner and you beat yourself up, like, as a woman and all. And I just like, there's only so much I can shoulder in terms of, you know, who's the bad guy here. So I don't take it personally.
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Dan
Do you know when I take it personally? I take it personally when they're right.
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Jane Marie
But don't you appreciate it?
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Dan
I don't know. Jen and I were both. I'm usually not so upset by criticism, but there was an Apple podcast review that was like, when did you guys stop trying? All you do is complain anymore. And it was after we'd done a couple episodes when we really were just complaining, ashamed. And I was like, it was an ugly review, but at the same time, like, there was truth in it. She was kind of right.
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Jen Romolini
And also, I hadn't done any cutting. I hadn't done any editing of it. I just, like, let it roll, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, being lazy. Like, I had stopped trying. I was like, I don't fucking care. Let's just put this out. The world is on fire. Who gives a shit about our podcast?
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Jane Marie
Well, I mean, I think that's the right attitude. And if they're right about you feeling that way, then that means they're actually hearing you and they're still listening. So, like, you know, they have to listen to leave the thing. I've been getting ones recently since we turned into a weekly show that are like, I don't even know what the show is about anymore. And I'm like, me neither, buddy. This is all new to me. This is not how I've ever made radio. So I don't know what I'm doing either. So, you know, but Those are my 1 stars more recently are just that people can't understand what I'm trying to accomplish. And I'm like, welcome to the club.
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Jen Romolini
Let's take a quick break from some.
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Jen Romolini
Over.
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Jane Marie
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Jen Romolini
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Jane Marie
And we're back.
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Jen Romolini
It's interesting though, right? Because you're turning something, you're really transforming a thing into another thing, right? In real time. Like that's what it feels like to me. Like you're, you're like, what is this? It's morphing into something in real time. It's almost like, you know, a live, like performance art because you're figuring out how to make a really heavily reported, you know, seasonal podcast into something that you do weekly. Which I know maybe that sounds simple, but I think that's kind of complicated, right?
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Jane Marie
Well, I refused to do it for years. It was what every partner we've had, which, which is why we're independent now because I don't want to keep talking about it with them, but I've been told for years that that's the only way I'm ever going to be somebody or make money is if I go weekly. And I would argue with these execs at different podcast corporations Saying, well, that's not what this show is. It's also not what I was trained to do. I don't have any experience in it. It's not what calls to me at the time. And I think with. Honestly, with age and getting more and more overwhelmed with my kid, and now that I'm parenting alone, my life looks different. And I don't have all the time that I used to. To fly around and do reporting or sit around and think about what I want to write. You know, like, for those who haven't heard the earlier version of my show, the Dream, it was like, a lot of essaying and a lot of essays and monologues, and it was very thoughtful, I thought, and took months to edit. We'd spent an entire year making the show. Did we ever make our money back? No. You know, it wasn't a money maker, but it was what I was trained up to do. And I became what I think is good at that. And I think with the talk show format, I also. I was married to a comedian for a time there, and I really did not like shows like Mark's show or Pete Holmes show or these shows were especially, oh, my God, the Sklar Brothers. That show. I can't tell the difference between them. And it sounds like a guy talking to himself the whole time. Because they're twins. They're twins, so they sound exactly the same.
- [28:51]
Dan
That's hilarious. Yeah, they should give them those, like, you know how they have when they're having a witness or something on TV and they want to protect their identity and they, like, garble their voice.
- [29:02]
Jane Marie
One of them should have a voice changer portion.
- [29:04]
Dan
One of them should have a voice changer.
- [29:06]
Jane Marie
No, it just sounds like a crazy person talking to himself. And I was like, I don't want to make shows like that. I don't know how to make shows like that. That. That I would enjoy. So I was very resistant for a long time. And then many conversations with Dan where he was like, you could do a talk show that people would like if you just would talk to people that you think are interesting that other people probably don't even know about. And I was like, I know. And he's like, do you know how much you talk to me, like, in bed about stuff that, like, is just puzzling? And I've never come across. He's like, you have just a curious brain, and you find. You find people in the world that are weirdos. Why don't we just talk to them instead of, like, trying to get other comedians on the show, you know, I'm not a comedian, but you know, instead of just the same comedians over and over and over again, and I was like, okay, we could try it, you know, And I don't have a booker, a publicist or anything like that. That's like trying to get, you know, the. The latest cool kid on the show.
- [30:09]
Jen Romolini
Oh, it's so boring, though, because, like, our two things, like, one, our experience with the people who are on rotation, you know, who are out promoting something, it's so. It's so hard to get, like, an original conversation out of them when they're, like, out hawking something. It's just those don't tend to be the best episodes. But the other thing is, is, like, Marin, like, all of these. All of these guy shows, right? I don't find these people. I don't find men to be very interesting interviewers. Like, I was listening to him just interview you, and he was like, just drop. He was just not picking up on the nuances of what you were saying, which I thought was an emotional conversation about all kinds of things.
- [30:49]
Jane Marie
You know what was funny is I. My. And forgive me, Mark, because I really do like you, but I am smarter than you.
- [30:57]
Jen Romolini
I like him, too. I like him too. But I'm also like, I like you because I hate myself.
- [31:02]
Jane Marie
Like, but I mean, I just listening back, I was like, wait a minute. I could. I could do this.
- [31:09]
Dan
Everybody sees themselves in their. In Marc Maron. Like, everybody has a completely different. It's like a Rorschach test. Yes. Everybody, like, my ex boyfriend listened to it because he thought he was such. He, like, hate listen to it.
- [31:22]
Jen Romolini
I love Maren. But the larger point is, is that I. And not all. Like, every celebrity has a podcast now, and it feels like they're all, like, now like, slickly produce, like, YouTube shows. Like, what do you. I mean, what. I'm not. I'm like, this is like, I don't want to do that. I think it's fucking boring. I also. I don't want to make somebody. We get people who come on and they're like, do I need to be in hair and makeup? Is this going to be a video? And I'm like, oh, get the fuck out of here. Like, the whole point is that this is intimate and in your ear, not that it's polished and slick, you know? So are you thinking about. What are you thinking about video and the dream and all of that?
- [31:57]
Jane Marie
We've considered it a few times. It doesn't. I don't. It would Be very expensive, which I don't really want to spend money on that part. I also had been on the other side of that. I showed up to Grace Helbig's podcast years ago and had no idea there would be like a professional film crew there. And I don't ever want to surprise somebody in that way if it was mortifying. We'll see if the industry heads. And again, I'm trying to make a living, so if the industry keeps going in that direction, I might have to do it, but reluctantly, you know, I don't have a desire to. I got into radio, you guys. Like, I didn't. Yes, I did not get it. I'm not like an Instagram influencer who likes to film my outfits even though they're perfect every single day. Okay, listener, listener. Even at night, even in my bed, I look amazing, but I don't have a desire to share that with the world. I like hiding behind the microphone. It feels comfortable to me and I, you know, if I need to make myself uncomfortable in a few years, as we all do as women now and again. I think we were talking yesterday, Jen, when you were on my show, about how, how many times I've considered like an only fans or like doing sex work because I think I could make money that way.
- [33:17]
Jen Romolini
We were discussing that.
- [33:20]
Jane Marie
It's not, it's not my first choice, but. But in a pinch, in a pinch, I could nail it, you know?
- [33:28]
Jen Romolini
Well, with all the MILF porn, with all the MILF porn out there, I actually think you make a lot of money.
- [33:34]
Dan
Very funny.
- [33:36]
Jane Marie
Thank you. Oh, that's another cute thing that happens on field. Like the 26 year olds that are like, oh man, you're a hot milf. And I'm like. Or a cougar. They like to say. They still say cougar.
- [33:46]
Jen Romolini
Sorry.
- [33:48]
Jane Marie
Yeah, you're his door loser. Did you learn that from your dad or something? Like, who's my age?
- [33:55]
Jen Romolini
Oh my God. Wait, so are you see, I am, like when I'm around people in their 20s now, I'm like, are we both human? Like, I don't even feel like the same, like the same kind. Like we're just not like anymore. And I don't understand what they're, I don't understand their slang. Like, we have no common references. So I, I am curious. Like, well, first off, the fucking cliche of all middle aged men dating women in their 20s, I'm like, whatever, loser. But like, are 20 something year old men interesting to you?
- [34:25]
Jane Marie
Sadly, no. I've tried. Oh my God, there was this kid. Oh God. I just called him a kid. That's rude. Well, he was in his 20s. We went out for a wine date and he looked like Marvin Gaye. Okay, so don't. Like, what would you do? You know what I mean? I gave it a go, but the conversation was really like talking with a 20 something. And I remember being that age and being that stupid, but I, I was like, like quietly rolling my eyes the whole time, like, oh my God. You. What you think is important is like, not actually. Later on you're gonna realize it's not important at all. Like you, what show you went to last weekend. Like I could give a shit. Like, I don't. Like, I want to talk about, you know, politics and the cosmos and, you know, the meaning of life and how to raise a decent person and these sorts of things that I'm actually interested in now and good food and that sort of stuff. I don't really care what you and your buddies did last Saturday. Right. But I want to give him grace because he was a very kind person. And again, like, I'm trying to be generous and say, well, he, he took a chance. So kudos on him for, you know, reaching out and, and he was really nice, but like, he was not on the level. Not that that's ever been my thing, but I'm trying to make it more my thing. I've not looked for partners who are, aside from Dan, who are like as intelligent or thoughtful as I've been in my life.
- [36:05]
Jen Romolini
Vibrating at the same frequency, you know, just like, oh, that's what I want. That's all I want. I can't. I'm not here to be a. Like I can't. Like maybe in a, in like, you know, a professional setting, but like not, not in like a fucking situation.
- [36:20]
Dan
Or not. Not romantically. Yeah.
- [36:23]
Jen Romolini
Or socially even.
- [36:24]
Jane Marie
Like, you know, between my last marriage and my, and dating Dan, I went out with a, A big time Hollywood producer. I won't say the name, but I found out like halfway through making out that they're like, like their jam was like teen, like 18 year old porn or, you know, like Barely legal. Just barely legal stuff.
- [36:47]
Jen Romolini
Yeah.
- [36:48]
Jane Marie
No, and I was like, oh, I'm already 10 years older than you. Like, I'm not the one for that, you know?
- [36:53]
Dan
You know what the thing is, it's so disappointing is that like all of us, I had limited experience dating younger men when I was dating. And it was equally unsatisfying as what you described. And, and it's just depressing to me that for men, those gaps that we're talking about in intellect, in curiosity, and everything else just don't make a difference. Doesn't matter.
- [37:17]
Jane Marie
Well, okay, so here's my misogynistic father's take on that. You ready?
- [37:22]
Dan
Absolutely.
- [37:22]
Jane Marie
Let's go.
- [37:23]
Jen Romolini
Go, please.
- [37:24]
Jane Marie
Men have 1 million at least, opportunities a day to procreate. And he's. My dad thinks everything comes down to the RNA and the DNA like that. That's how the molecule is how the universe operates in our human universe. Right. And I don't think he's wrong about that. I do think that things are more motivated by biology than anything. And if you're the person who has literally 1 million opportunities a day with all the sperm that you have, it doesn't serve you to be discerning as much as. So we have one opportunity a year where, you know, we have to be more thoughtful about where we're putting our resources physically. So, you know, I don't think that they have an incentive biologically to be. I do think that there are men. I keep bringing Dan up as an exemplary human, but I think there are men who are as thoughtful as women can be.
- [38:28]
Jen Romolini
Dan's a good guy, but.
- [38:29]
Jane Marie
Yeah, he's a good guy, but I don't think that he's. It's not common. And I don't blame them for their dumb biology, like, you know.
- [38:38]
Jen Romolini
Right. No, but I just. I just. I just. But I just realized something that I really had not thought of being a menopausal woman. Right. I'm out. I'm totally out of fertility. Right. No. Fucking. No. Possible. And so. Right. And I love. I actually do love it. I don't miss my. Like, I'm like, okay, we're. We're out. Like, I don't love hot flashes, but whatever. We're a different thing. And I wonder. I never really thought about this before. We are the only adults who can't procreate anymore. Right.
- [39:05]
Jane Marie
It's like our.
- [39:06]
Jen Romolini
It's like women after a certain age. So we are a separate. A whole separate population. Like, men will never experience. Like, you know, men get people pregnant when they're 80. Right. So they will never experience what we experience. And I feel very separate from the rest of society.
- [39:28]
Jane Marie
We're one of three species that don't die at menopause.
- [39:32]
Jen Romolini
Wow.
- [39:34]
Dan
Wow. I didn't know that.
- [39:36]
Jane Marie
Yeah, it's us. Elephants and bees.
- [39:37]
Jen Romolini
It's like bonus time. It's like bonus time, man. That's what it is.
- [39:41]
Dan
But what about whales?
- [39:43]
Jane Marie
After Whales are infertile. They quickly deteriorate. Like, it's not. It's not common for the female of the species to stay on much longer past fertility. So it's an. It's an uncommon position to be in. It's really special, I think. And it does open up the world in a way that I think that's also where my generosity, these people comes from, is like, I have no stakes in this. You know, like, whatever. Even if I got, like, HIV tomorrow, I'd be fine.
- [40:16]
Jen Romolini
I mean, I mean, hopefully in the Trump administration, hopefully. I don't.
- [40:20]
Jane Marie
Hopefully, but you know what I mean, though? Like, the science exists and whatever. And if I died in five years from that, people would be like, ah, she was in her 50s, you know.
- [40:30]
Dan
Like, she had a good life.
- [40:32]
Jane Marie
She had a good life.
- [40:33]
Jen Romolini
Stop it. That's young.
- [40:34]
Jane Marie
I.
- [40:35]
Jen Romolini
This is. This is young.
- [40:36]
Dan
No, I was just a writer who we know was mentioning on an Instagram post that she's looking for women over 40 to interview about aging. She's like, but no one over 60, please. I was like, whoa. Because I was about to email her and say, you can talk to me. I'll talk to you for your piece. And I was like, oh, guess I'm no longer relevant to the conversation.
- [40:59]
Jen Romolini
Oh, she didn't want to email any menopausal people. I also emailed her, I wonder what she thinks happens. That wasn't what the story was. I don't know. But that's why sex is different, right? Because it's not a biological imperative anymore. It's just about pleasure. It's not. It's different.
- [41:16]
Dan
Oh, just you wait till it's not even about pleasure anymore.
- [41:20]
Jen Romolini
Say. You know what? You keep saying that, but we've also discussed estrogen cream as a solution. So, like, vaginal? Yes.
- [41:27]
Dan
No, there are. Listen.
- [41:28]
Jen Romolini
Yeah.
- [41:29]
Dan
Estrogen cream can take away the discomfort. Does it make you, like, love fucking the way you used to love you? I won't say you.
- [41:37]
Jane Marie
Hey.
- [41:37]
Dan
Does it make me love fucking the way I used to love fucking?
- [41:40]
Jen Romolini
No. Yes. No.
- [41:41]
Jane Marie
Are you on enough estrogen, though? I'm on, like, really heavy duty patches.
- [41:45]
Dan
Well, I can't.
- [41:47]
Jane Marie
I can't take the patches and testosterone.
- [41:49]
Dan
Yeah, I can't take the patches because of cancer. I've had cancer, so that.
- [41:53]
Jane Marie
Oh, okay. Yeah, I hear ya. But do you do testosterone?
- [41:59]
Dan
Yeah, I'm actually in the process of getting testosterone. But I will tell you, you're gonna love it. That's what I hear. But one great thing, I think, for me, I mean, There have been many great things about reaching this time in my life, but going through men finally. And maybe I've said this on the show before, but, you know, I had a lot of pain over the fact that I never became a mother. It just didn't happen for me. And once I went through menopause, that pain was gone.
- [42:25]
Jane Marie
Oh, that's interesting.
- [42:26]
Dan
And I realized I was living with, like, the physical urges all those years. It was as much a physical thing as an emotional thing. But of course, all those years I.
- [42:35]
Jen Romolini
Thought it was emotional, the ovulation and.
- [42:38]
Jane Marie
Yeah, that's what we're talking about with the guys. Right. Like, they are. They have this physical urge to get everything around them pregnant. Yeah, I know it's gross, but. But I mean, I do think our biology plays a huge. A huge role. Also. I do need to plug an organization. I'm a foster mom. And through the casa, a court appointed special advocate program that's all over the country. So if anyone, like, has the urge to be a mom but can't for whatever reason, you. There are these, like, kind of like light touch foster situations you can get into.
- [43:12]
Jen Romolini
Yeah.
- [43:13]
Jane Marie
Which was. Has been very fulfilling for me in that regard, where I get to be, you know, someone's person.
- [43:21]
Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't even like living with you or anything. It was just like, you got to really support this person and, you know, just get that. Make sure, like, help them stay on a path.
- [43:32]
Jane Marie
Yeah.
- [43:33]
Dan
So important with foster children. The foster system in this country is so fucked up.
- [43:38]
Jane Marie
Los Angeles has the worst, like, the most foster kids. We have, like, a really screwed up system here. But this organization takes the most difficult cases where for many, many reasons, these kids just get tossed around within the system and there's no one to keep track of what's going on with them. And they show up at court with like a different lawyer and a different social worker every time, and their parents are in prison and blah, blah, blah. And they live in a halfway house and they're not allowed to live in a family's home for whatever reason. So anyway, everyone go look up CASA and join because it's great. It's been wonderful for me. And now I have a grandbaby and we got her all the way to 23 before that happened. Not to brag, but she was an adult.
- [44:25]
Dan
Okay, Jane Marie, Jane Marie, I have to ask you a question. It's time. Do it. It's the time in the podcast where we talk about Harry and Meghan, who I understand you met to help them Develop podcast ideas.
- [44:39]
Jane Marie
I did, yes.
- [44:40]
Dan
What are they like? What are they actually like?
- [44:42]
Jen Romolini
Kim loves the royals.
- [44:44]
Dan
Okay, I don't love the royals. I do have a fascination with the royals.
- [44:50]
Jane Marie
I got in a little bit of trouble about a month ago. I think trouble isn't the right word, but I went on the record for a article in Vanity Fair about them where I think it was Vanity Fair. Oh, I hope I'm not wrong about that. But I was like the only person on the record which I didn't know would happen. I thought they were perfectly lovely. I have no questions about them. They're of medium high intelligence. They are of very high beauty. Both of them are like, I never found him attractive, like in magazines and stuff, but in person, Holy moly. And she is like a porcelain doll who wears white every day. Like the TV show that just came out, I haven't watched it because I don't want to change my opinion of her because I only know her in person. But the clothing that she wears, and people keep making fun of her for like wearing white in the kitchen, but that's just like how she dresses all the time. Like she wears white button down shirts, white button down shirts, white button. Like it's a uniform. Oh my God. This one outfit she wore, I'll never, I'll never forget this outfit. They were, they were expected at Gloria Steinem's house and I was taking too long talking to Harry about something and she came down the hallway with like these tweed tapered taper legs, kind of ankle length tweed, brown, like a thick tweed, you know, like with the checks that you can kind of see. Pleated, with a beautiful belt and a black turtleneck and black, like kind of very traditional black heels with like a solid heel and a round toe. And she's walking down the hall like fastening her watch and going like, what time are you guys going to be done? And I was just like, get out of here, you. Who do you think you are, princess? Die. But they were so lovely. They are clearly in love. Like, clearly. I hate that anyone questions that. It drives me nuts because you spend. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, honestly. Because they're so like, you know when there's that couple that's just like can't keep their hands off of each other, just, you know, and that's them. And I wish people would just like leave them alone about that part at least because it's so obvious that they're just really hot for each other. I don't think it would have Gone this far at all if that wasn't the main thing happening there, you know, and she was an actress in Toronto, for Christ's sake. Like, who wants that, right? But. But they seemed totally fine. They. They don't have a big staff. Like, they're one of. I think they have a couple of like, security guys. One of them would drive me to the train station and back, and he was really nice. Everybody that worked there is really nice. They were really nice. I don't know. I think they. I think they're. They're frozen with, you know, out of fear in terms of their creativity and what they can. What they feel like they're allowed to do in the world. And I would. I don't blame them for, for that fear. We were all. We were just talking about that as like just even being women in the world and trying to be creative. Imagine being a princess and a prince that gets reamed every time you go to the grocery store by some huge tabloid back in your home country and by your family. By your entire family.
- [48:28]
Jen Romolini
Well, also the racism. Yeah, but also the racism for her. Like, she can do no right. She can't.
- [48:35]
Jane Marie
Like, it's just she's not black enough and she doesn't announce her blackness or, or they. Yeah, and also she's too black.
- [48:42]
Jen Romolini
It's just. What, like, the idea that, like, she made a pretentious cooking show. It's like, how many fucking white women have made pretentious Nancy Meyers fucking cooking shows? Like, nobody said shit.
- [48:56]
Jane Marie
Martha Stewart wore white button downs.
- [48:59]
Jen Romolini
It's so, so, so stupid. Like, it's so. It was so, so stupid. And like, I, like there was a moment where I was like, piling on when they were like, when he came out with this book and they had a show and they had this and I was like, okay, enough. This is like, saturated. And then like, somebody pointed out to me, like, don't be fucked up about her. Like, people are over the top angry about her and it's about racism. And once I really started thinking about it, I was like, oh, yeah, of course it is. Like, how did I not clock that?
- [49:25]
Jane Marie
What, you expect her to be some sort of, like, genius that, like, you know everything that comes out of her? Like, people are making fun of her now for being quippy and punny, but, like, that's actually how she is. She was telling me a story about her 40th birthday and she was like, guess what the theme was? And I was like, I don't know. She's like, lordy, lordy, look who's 40.
- [49:48]
Jen Romolini
And you were like, that's not really a theme. Go ahead, Kim.
- [49:52]
Dan
She's kind of corny, then.
- [49:54]
Jane Marie
Yeah, but it was so corny and. But just, like, normal and that, you know, Like, I thought it was adorable that she. That she thought that was, like, exciting, you know, like.
- [50:03]
Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah.
- [50:05]
Jane Marie
I was like, yeah, girl. They have that whole section at Party City, I hope you call it, you know, and decorations, like. Yeah, no.
- [50:14]
Jen Romolini
And, like, good for him. He got out. He got out.
- [50:17]
Jane Marie
He got out and he got the hottest chick. And I can. Don't even make me picture what happens in their bedroom. Like, I just. Oh.
- [50:26]
Jen Romolini
There was a picture at their wedding where I was like. Like, you don't think about this when you're looking at, like, royals normally, but I was just like, oh, they fuck.
- [50:33]
Dan
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
- [50:35]
Jane Marie
Yes. Absolutely. Yes, yes. He's barefoot in shorts 100% of the time. And I'm like, you just threw that on because. And she's late. She's coming down 15 minutes late.
- [50:48]
Dan
Very Funn.
- [50:50]
Jen Romolini
Oh, right. The whole thing's figured out. So tell me, what else are you going to be exploring on Dream? Like, what do you want to. What are. What's. What's your, like, sort of dream for the dream, basically, and, like, the. The next episodes? Like, what do you want to do?
- [51:04]
Jane Marie
Well, we're still having conversations about that, and I'm being encouraged by Dan to just. Whatever tickles my fancy. Really?
- [51:13]
Jen Romolini
Yeah, I think so. I think. I think the theme is actually so broad. There's so much you could do.
- [51:19]
Jane Marie
What I want to do is. Because it's ours now, and it's not a variety show, and it's not a deeply, deeply reported thing in the same way that it used to be, I think. And again, I got to get over my embarrassment around this, but, like, I do think it's probably a good idea to have a program where you tune in and you know that whatever you're going to listen to is something Jane thinks is cool.
- [51:42]
Jen Romolini
Yeah.
- [51:43]
Jane Marie
And then we'll leave it at that, you know? Like, Dan keeps saying, it doesn't have to be about the American dream. It doesn't have to be about this and that. And so I've been booking interviews with. I. There's a guy that came on the show once to talk about what frequencies are, like, in the wellness season. He's a physicist from the UK and Dr. Liam Dodd. And I just love him, and he's so funny. And I found him. We were friends on Twitter, and he Has a great voice and a great argumentative style. And he recently got really pissed off about the banned words that were erased from all of the NIH and not nih. You know, like our all of the banned words list that got articles taken down from the Internet by Trump and his ding dongs. And he. He's like, you know that half of these words, like inclusivity, diversity. Da da, da, da, da. He's like, those are in all of my physics papers. He used to work at cern, and he's like, those words are used when we're talking about atoms and particles. So he's coming on the show to talk about that, which is nothing to do with the American dream, really, but I find him.
- [52:54]
Jen Romolini
Well, it has to do with America being destroyed.
- [52:57]
Jane Marie
Right?
- [52:59]
Dan
I mean, Netflix isn't what Netflix was. I mean, Netflix started as, like, that business that sent you DVDs or videos even. I think pivoting is shifting and moving with your audience or moving with your interests is just the right thing to do.
- [53:16]
Jane Marie
I'm so glad I didn't call the show, like, Scammy Bosses or what.
- [53:21]
Dan
Yeah.
- [53:23]
Jane Marie
So we gave it a name that could move along with our ideas. But, yeah, it's really just people I find curious. There's this woman, Doran Harold, who I'm obsessed with, and she is like, one of her big things is looking at the real reasons monoliths were created. Like, what was Stonehenge, actually? And I think she's right. And she's coming on the show this week. You can see her TikTok videos. It's a pig meat processing plant. But she just had this point of view about ancient humans where it's like, they weren't all druids casting spells. Whatever they were eating, they had to eat. Right?
- [54:14]
Jen Romolini
Right. So Stonehenge doesn't have to be mystical. It was probably something practical, but we've all projected something onto it.
- [54:23]
Jane Marie
Dude, I'll send you. I'll send you her drawings. Like, it's like. And I. I'm gonna say this because that she already put it on TikTok, but we'll talk about it on the show. But, like, basically you would take a pig, and the stones were like, where? So they would move the pig between the stone. Like, it would be hanging. Like, pigs would be hanging on a line from one of the stones, and you would move it with the sun to keep them in the shade as you were processing the pigs throughout the day. And then, like, at one point, people would come and take the processed meat home. But you would. Rather than having it right in the sun, it would be hanging behind these rocks and you would keep moving it around.
- [55:03]
Jen Romolini
It's amazing. I feel like. I feel like you should debunk all things. Like, all things I'm so sick of. I'm so sick of anything being out there that I don't. That we don't know. It's like. It's like, come on. We have to at this point be able to know everything. Like everything. Conspiracy theory, like everything. With what we have now, we have to be able to disprove every shitty theory, every. About everything and just like know the facts. Like it has to. At this point, we've. Nothing's unknowable.
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Jane Marie
I agree. But that's. It's sad though.
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Dan
It matters to a dwindling number of people.
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Jane Marie
It's sad for people to. To be confronted with the fact that maybe there's no magic.
- [55:40]
Jen Romolini
Yeah.
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Jane Marie
Maybe that we're just here by accident and chaos and that. Another thing that my father, who was raised Methodist and I was until a certain age, says is like, if you really read especially Genesis very closely in the Christian Bible, this is it. We're here. Heaven is between the earth and the firmament or whatever. Like it's. If you. Anyways, it's the place we're existing in right now, between the clouds and the land. But people want it to be a lot more than that. And so you have your whole wellness movement and all the things that really irritate me and get under my skin about just like non factual hocus pocus. So maybe that's what the show's about, is like, can we just stop it and be reasonable and love each other?
- [56:31]
Jen Romolini
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jane Marie
And now is this part where we sing Imagine together, the three of us.
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Jen Romolini
Exactly, exactly. I think that's probably a good place to end. Jane, where can people find you?
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Jane Marie
My handles are all C, Jane Marie. So that's S E E Jane Marie. And I quit Twitter after the Nazi stuff. So I'm on blueskyjmarie, Instagram, TikTok. We have a website, little everywhere.com where you can find the rest of our shows. And the dream is on all of your podcast platforms, every single one of them. And if you find me on Spotify, now they have this comment section. You can go argue with the people that are being jerks.
- [57:15]
Jen Romolini
Thank you so much for coming on, Jane.
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Dan
Yeah, thanks, Jane.
- [57:18]
Jane Marie
My pleasure. I love you guys.
- [57:21]
Jen Romolini
Thanks for listening to Everything is Fine. We are your hosts.
- [57:24]
Dan
I'm Jen Romellini and I'm Kim France.
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Jen Romolini
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Dan
My apologize too.
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Jen Romolini
Just all apologies. I'm in like whatever. All apologies and we'll be back next week.
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