BONUS EPISODE 5: Investigator Q

Summary

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Everything They Missed – BONUS EPISODE 5: Investigator Q

Host: Stephanie Tinsley
Date: August 10, 2026

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Overview

This bonus episode of Everything They Missed takes listeners deep behind the scenes of Stephanie Tinsley's yearlong investigation into the 2007 Memphis murder of Danny Harris—a case marked by unresolved questions, dormant leads, and the wrongful conviction of Andrew Hayes. The focus: the critical role played by the enigmatic Investigator Q. Through intimate, never-before-heard conversations and raw field audio, Stephanie and Q retrace their steps as they track down jurors, chase leads, and hunt for missing witness Sarah Lucas. The episode finds its beating heart in the messy, emotional work that ultimately cracked long-cold parts of the story wide open.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Enter Investigator Q (01:45–05:48)

• Clark Chapman's Recommendation: Stephanie is introduced to Investigator Q after asking Clark Chapman (Andrew’s original private investigator) for a trusted local who can do the groundwork.
• Q’s skillset is introduced: calm, resourceful, known for finding the “needle in the haystack.”
• Q's Process & Philosophy:

  “People know me, but they don’t know me. And then the ones that get to know me, they know. Says, man, this guy will find a needle in the haystack...not just from the gain of reward as far as financial, but this sense of purpose.” (05:48, Investigator Q)

• Stephanie reflects on the difficulty of working leads from a distance and the essential value of trust and personal networks in investigative work.

2. The Jury Hunt: How to Find the Deciders (06:38–11:24)

• Stephanie struggles with the logistics and delicacy of tracking down jurors; Q volunteers for on-the-ground legwork, highlighting trust and relationship-building over mere financial transaction.
• Inspiration is drawn from other wrongful conviction podcasts and their breakthrough moments, such as jury misconduct in the Joey Watkins story.
• Using a cryptic, handwritten jury list, Stephanie and Q attempt to reconstruct the panel that convicted Hayes.

3. Contacting the Jury Foreman (12:10–13:39)

• Q contacts the presumed foreman (Juror 57) whose memory is suspiciously vague or perhaps guarded:

  “I mean, I vaguely remember it, but it's been so long...”
  “See, I don't remember that at all.”
  “No, I do not.” (Juror 57, 12:51–13:37)

• The exchange casts doubt—intentional or not—on the integrity and recall of the process.

4. Breakthrough: Juror Number 56 (15:42–27:58)

• Q locates Juror 56, an elusive member with a direct connection to the Shelby County Sheriff’s Office, raising concerns about possible conflicts of interest.
• Stephanie and producer Elizabeth make an impromptu, anxious dash across Memphis to meet Juror 56 face-to-face.

The Interview (21:12–27:58)

• Revelations from Juror 56:

  • She admits Hayes “seemed like he just...didn't care...just in space or something,” not realizing his low IQ and comprehension issues.
  • She reluctantly describes being compelled to serve on the jury despite her attempts to recuse herself for bias against police—her brother was killed by police.
  • Most damningly, she confesses to discussing the case with her juror roommate before instructed, and to voting guilty simply to rush home for her birthday.

    “I wanted to hurt and go home because it was my birthday and they was giving me a party, and I really wanted to go. So I went along with those other people. I was wrong for that and it was hurting me now. I hate that.” (23:21, Juror 56)

  • She details pressure from “those white men” on the jury, feeling rushed and railroaded.

• Stephanie’s Reflection:

  “Those weren’t just disappointing admissions. They struck at two of the most fundamental principles of a fair trial.” (24:17)

Emotional Catharsis & Spiritual Moment (27:58–29:51)

• Juror 56 is overcome with guilt and begins to cry; Q, drawing from his background in ministry, comforts her and leads a prayer.

  “It’s not your fault. I see you crying, and it’s not your fault.” (27:58, Investigator Q)

  • The moment crystalizes the human toll and complexity of guilt within the system.

5. The Aftermath: Assessing Juror Misconduct (31:57–33:29)

• Stephanie and Elizabeth recap Juror 56’s admissions in the car, concluding that this is potentially major jury misconduct—early deliberation and verdicts reached out of expediency.

  “She hurried her verdict. She didn’t even think about it because she wanted to get out...and go to her birthday party...Is that as big of a deal as I think it is?” (32:18, Stephanie)

• Despite these findings, Andrew’s legal team ultimately decides not to use this material in court.

6. Additional Juror Interviews: Piecing Together the Room (34:28–39:28)

• Juror 48:

  • Recalls a deadlocked jury, confusion, and that Andrew “looked like a little weak person. Like he couldn’t really do nothing like that.”
  • Confirms some argued he wasn’t guilty, noting fatigue and a desire among some jurors to “rush it up.”

• Juror 53:

  • Candidly describes the process as “pretty traumatizing” and “very stressful,” saying she did not want responsibility for deciding someone’s fate.
  • Felt pressure and discomfort from stronger personalities on the jury.

• Other jurors either decline formal interviews or are unable to be reached.

7. Q’s Methods & On-the-Ground Strategies (40:04–41:53)

• Q demonstrates creative and sometimes subterfuge-like techniques to access addresses discreetly—hard hats, server vests—balancing safety, discretion, and effectiveness.

8. The Hunt for Sarah Lucas Rydell (44:41–50:45)

• With most jury avenues exhausted, Q and Stephanie shift focus to Sarah Lucas, the missing, possibly pivotal witness.

• Q embarks on a multi-state search, doing background checks, surveilling neighborhoods, questioning locals, and finally tracing Sarah to a hospital in Oklahoma City.

  “I have been about 15 different addresses...she’s been seen at a store twice...seems as though they may be on that dope.” (46:08, Investigator Q)

• The effort of following the thread to ground truth is documented in real time—phone calls, neighbor chats, drive-bys—all offering a rare look at the labor and tenacity of field investigation.

9. Reflections & The Human Side of the Hunt (50:49–End)

• Stephanie praises Q's dedication, resourcefulness, and character.

  “He was sharp, patient, thoughtful, resourceful...investigator who listens more than he talks, treats people with respect, and somehow has a way of making complete strangers trust him.” (51:15)

• Despite not yielding immediate legal outcomes, the emotionally charged discoveries and the relationships forged remain invaluable to understanding the fraught realities of the justice system and wrongful convictions.
• Stephanie closes with steadfast hope for Andrew Hayes’s upcoming hearing, and a grateful acknowledgement that Investigator Q will undoubtedly be there for the next chapter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Investigator Q’s philosophy:

  “People know me, but they don’t know me. And the ones that get to know me, they know, says, man, this guy will find a needle in the haystack.”
  — Investigator Q (05:48)

• Juror misconduct confession:

  “I really didn’t think he did it. But I wanted to hurt and go home because it was my birthday...I was wrong for that, and it was hurting me now.”
  — Juror 56 (23:21)

• The emotional toll of the system:

  “It’s not your fault. I see you crying and it’s not your fault.”
  — Investigator Q (27:58)

• Spiritual resonance:

  “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am with them.”
  — Juror 56 quoting the Bible, as relayed by Stephanie (29:51)

• Q’s tenacity in the field:

  “I have been about 15 different addresses last two days...She’s been seen at a store twice...the guy that owns Dash Cash says she comes in there every day.”
  — Investigator Q (46:08)

• Stephanie’s hope and gratitude:

  “He took me under his wing, he looked out for me, physically protected me...And from the very beginning...he believed Andrew Hayes was innocent.”
  — Stephanie Tinsley (51:15)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:45 – Q’s introduction; his style and process
• 05:48 – Q’s investigative philosophy
• 12:10 – Reaching the jury foreman
• 15:42–27:58 – Breakthrough with Juror 56: confession, emotion, and prayer
• 32:18 – Recap and legal implications of misconduct
• 34:28–39:28 – Additional juror interviews and reflections
• 40:04–41:53 – Q’s investigative tradecraft and personal safety
• 44:41–50:45 – The search for Sarah Lucas, in real time
• 51:15–End – Reflections on Q, hope, and what comes next

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Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is candid, emotionally raw, and often tense—capturing both the dogged determination and vulnerability of investigative journalism.
• The humanity of the jurors and the investigator is foregrounded, making palpable the weight of old decisions and the hope for redemption.
• While the legal outcome may not have changed (yet), the story is revitalized through the simple act of listening—to those who were there and those who refused to give up on finding the truth.

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For Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in how cold cases are sometimes cracked—not by dramatic courtroom twists, but by showing up, knocking on doors, and earning the trust of everyday people whose stories were nearly lost. It’s a testament both to the possibility of justice and the cost of its absence.

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Transcript

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[Investigator Q]

do you want me to video him or you want to listen to the conversation when I go in?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

What do you think?

[Investigator Q]

I think you need to listen to the conversation. Let's go ahead. Stay on the line. Okay, I'm going in hot.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Like so many of the people who became part of everything they missed, meeting him wasn't planned. It was destined. During an unrelated phone call to Clark Chapman, Andrew's original private investigator, I had asked him, if you were me, who would you hire to put boots on the ground in Memphis? He didn't hesitate. One name, one letter. Investigator Q. Clark spoke about Q with so much confidence that I trusted his recommendation immediately. What I didn't know was how quickly Q would become an essential part of this investigation, or just how much ground the two of us would cover together. Many of my conversations with Q had to be cut from the original series. There was simply too much tape and too much story to tell. What you ultimately heard were the results. The people we found the doors that opened and the new information we gathered. But what you didn't hear was how we got there. And to me, that part may be the most fascinating and the most exciting part of it all. What you're about to hear is, behind the scenes, never before heard audio documenting how I was connected to Investigator Q and how together, we tracked down jurors, followed leads, and ultimately searched for Sara Lucas. You'll also hear extended interviews with jurors. We located conversations that shaped my thinking throughout the investigation, but never made it into the final edit. To respect their privacy, I've bleeped their names, and I finally answered a question I'd asked myself throughout this investigation. Do I really need to record everything? Even something as ordinary as loading up the car? The answer?

[Juror Number 56]

Yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

You're about to hear why. I'm Stephanie Tinsley, and this is everything they missed. Bonus Episode 5 Investigator Q.

[Clark Chapman]

I know he's been around a lot of bad areas, so he could probably enlighten you a little bit about some things that, you know, he might have seen. And I wouldn't have told you if I didn't think he could do it. And he was sharp. I mean, he's really. He is really sharp guy. Like, he can get things done. He's better than most. He's. He's got a gift to him. He seems to, you know, make people calm. And he's very good. So I think. I think it slip by there and make it happen.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Summer 2025. I'd spent almost a year trying to find people connected to Andrew's trial. I searched social media, tracked down phone numbers, left voicemails, built spreadsheets full of possible leads. But I was doing it all from Nashville, mostly behind a computer. And with only a few months left before production wrapped, I was beginning to realize that finding people was only half the battle. Even when I found someone, I still had to convince them to answer the phone and then trust me enough to tell me what they knew. Fortunately, before I ever called Q, Clark had already let him know I'd be reaching out.

[Investigator Q]

It was Tankersley or something. He was telling me.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Tinsley. Tinsley.

[Investigator Q]

Yeah, because I. Yeah, because I have it on the back of this. I wrote it down early this morning. Stephanie in the. Tinsley. Yeah. A podcast person. Yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Podcast person. Yes, that's me. That's me. All of this was new to me. I had never hired a private investigator before, so I asked him to describe his process and style.

[Investigator Q]

I'm very low key if I find people like you or you Find me like you found me through somebody. Those are the kind of people I like working with. People know me, but they don't know me.

[Juror Number 48]

Yeah.

[Investigator Q]

And then the ones that get to know me, they know. Says, man, this guy will find a needle in the haystack. I want the business like how you came to me through word of mouth and through big people passing my name along says, hey, I've got this guy in Memphis, and he will work this case. I perform and I do my job and I do my due diligence, not just from the gain of reward as far as financial, but this sense of purpose, you know, I really like solving the cases, so I go hard. And.

[Juror Number 53]

And.

[Investigator Q]

And that's what Clark knows about me, is that I like bringing back results. I don't just want to have your money and don't bring back results.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

And I was incredibly grateful. He already knew about Andrew's fight, but I explained more about the production schedule of the show, how I had people that I wanted to track down, and I was running out of time.

[Investigator Q]

I'm gonna go hard for you on this one, and I'm not gonna start next week. I'm gonna start, like, today.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

The show's September release was fast approaching, and I was running out of time to locate what I thought were two critical pieces of the story. Sarah Lucas and the jurors who had convicted Andrew Hayes. I had this overwhelming gut feeling, one that grew stronger by the day, that the evidence Andrew's lawyer still needed, the evidence no one had uncovered yet, was being held by one or both of those two sources. And to my knowledge, no one had ever attempted to contact the jury. I'd heard of jurors becoming the key to overturning wrongful convictions before Noah Pines, the defense attorney you met in episode four, pointed me to the Joey Watkins case in Georgia, where a podcast investigation uncovered jury misconduct that became a key part of Joey's exoneration. So I asked Noah a simple question. Where do I find the jury list? He didn't tell me to file a request with the court or call the clerk's office. He simply said, go back through the case file. It's probably in there somewhere. So I did. I went back through thousands of pages, this time looking for one thing. Eventually, buried in the file, I found a scribbled sheet of paper that appeared to have been created during Vordire jury selection. It was handwritten. Names on a grid, descriptions of people, scribbled notes. The handwriting was terrible, but as I pieced it together, I realized I was looking at the people and who had ultimately decided Andrew's fate. From that moment on, I had one question I couldn't let go. Could one of these jurors tell me something that could help set Andrew free? I shared this list with Q and the brick wall I'd reached. Clark had a phone number, and he passed it along to me, and I called that number and got a voicemail and left a message and. And never heard back. And I can understand why.

[Investigator Q]

Yeah, it's going to be one of those cases where you have to be in their face kind of like. And how to know how to approach them as far as being able to be subtle in the approach and letting them know that it's just about a documentary.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I had tried to look up each person on Facebook, and I didn't really get too far. I sent messages on Facebook messenger to everybody that had those names, and I didn't hear back. But I don't know if people, you know, with all the scams going on these days, if people, you know, would. Would read that and think that sounds like crazy. So I can email you the spreadsheet that I made in trying to find the people, but there's several. I would hate to send you on wild goose chases.

[Investigator Q]

I'm going to try to find everybody I can. I'm going to try to find the people that I think the ones you need. I'm going to try to work half of your list or more. I'm kind of doing this because, you know, I believe in what you're doing, and I want to try to convey in a way that it's not about money, but developing a relationship with you. And that's what I want. You know, that's how I am, and that's how I win. Investigation can be expensive, but you're. You're talking about a guy that's going to get you some results. And here's the thing, and it's a pet peeve with me. I really like solving the cases, so I go hard. Yeah, you are right there in the dynamics of busting this thing wide open. Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Little did I know no truer words had ever been spoken. This thing was about to be busted wide open. Well, you know, I think you've got a good plan. The foreman would be ideal. Anybody that would talk would be ideal. Just, you know, and I think your approach is amazing. So, you know, nobody's in trouble. We're just looking for information. Even if you did something back then, things can change. You know, this is a positive thing that we're trying to do. And with that, investigator, Q got to work. The first person he tracked down was the man we believed had served as the jury foreman.

[Investigator Q]

See, I left a card and back door and one the front door. The wife called me, and she probably got the back door card. And sure enough, he calls me.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

A few days later, Hugh called with what sounded like a breakthrough. He tracked down the man we believed was the jury foreman from Andrew's trial. Juror number 57. The name matched the handwritten jury notes I'd uncovered in the case file. According to LinkedIn, he even had the same occupation. It wasn't a common name, and he lived in the same part of Memphis where we expected to find him. Everything pointed to one conclusion. We were convinced we had the right man. Oh, so he called you and said, you can call him right now.

[Investigator Q]

I'll call him with you being online.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

I don't want to lose him in case, you know, he says he doesn't want to talk. I can try to call him right now. Hold one second.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay, this call is being recorded.

[Investigator Q]

Hold on a second. Let's see.

[Juror Number 53]

Hello?

[Investigator Q]

Hello?

[Juror Number 56]

Hello?

[Investigator Q]

Yes. How are you doing, sir? You just tried to reach me.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

Someone was reaching out, trying to get some information.

[Investigator Q]

You were on a jury back about 15 years ago with Andrew Wayne Hayes, and I don't know if you were the foreman or. Or do you recall that, sir?

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

I. I mean, I vaguely remember it, but it's been so long.

[Investigator Q]

You were sequestered? It was a murder trial.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

See, I don't remember that at all.

[Investigator Q]

You don't remember that at all? Not. Not being on a murder trial?

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

No, I do not.

[Juror Number 53]

Wow.

[Investigator Q]

Wow. Nest.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

Sequester. Sequester. At least. Sequestered. No, because, for one, I've never been on an actual sequestered jury because of my work history, being a. Being a public servant and all. I wouldn't be chosen. We went downtown, and for. I was downtown for a day, but I wasn't sequestered or anything.

[Investigator Q]

Okay, but you don't remember Andrew Wayne Hayes or.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

No, sir, I do not.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

What had seemed like a breakthrough suddenly became a mystery.

[Investigator Q]

Well, that's a strange one. And I'm almost certain that that's probably him.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I think so.

[Investigator Q]

I mean, just say you didn't want to talk. As simple as that. If you know.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Right.

[Juror Number 56]

Yeah.

[Investigator Q]

Because if we find out that's him, that's not a good sign.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I hated that the call ended that way, but I still couldn't shake the feeling that we were getting close. So Q moved to the next name on my list, juror number 56, a woman who had worked for the Shelby County Sheriff's Office at the time of Andrew's trial. That had always bothered me. Danny Harris son also worked for the Shelby County Sheriff's Office. How had someone from the same department ended up serving on the jury in his father's murder case? A few days later, while I was in Memphis with my friend and producer Elizabeth to visit Andrew's son, Tamarion, my phone rang. It was Q. Where are you? The Fraser Community Center, I told him. Within minutes, he pulled into the parking lot. He was smiling. He'd found juror number 56. Better yet, he'd already spoken with her, and she'd agreed to take another call, this time with me standing right beside him. What happened next is exactly why I record everything. After this quick break, Elizabeth and I had just finished visiting with Andrew's son to Marion at the Fraser Community center when Q pulled into the parking lot. He had found juror number 56, and she agreed to speak with me. I had no idea that the conversation would become one of the most intriguing of the entire investigation. Looking back, I'm incredibly grateful. The recorder had been running the entire time. Q pulls out his phone and starts dialing.

[Investigator Q]

See if she answered that. You know what? I thought you were gonna call me back. You didn't call me back.

[Juror Number 56]

I'm so sorry.

[Investigator Q]

Well, I talked to the nice lady, Ms. Tinsley, and she was very thrilled. I told her how nice and how sweet you were, and she. Like she was saying, you're not in trouble. Matter of fact, I've got her standing here right now. Say hello to Ms. Tinsley.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Hi, miss.

[Juror Number 56]

Hi, Ms. Tinsley. How are you? I'm good.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

How are you? I would love to, if you had time for me to. 5 or 10 minutes just to come by and say hey, and, you know, maybe if I could interview you, that would be wonderful. Or if we could just sit and chat for a minute. Would you be open to me just stopping by? I think I'm close to your house. Not today, so. Well, other day was your Tuesday, so I drove here from Nashville, so I don't come up here much. Could I just come and shake your hand? Just so you can see me and look at me, and then we can set up another time? I just. Sometimes I feel like if you see the person and. And maybe you could just get some trust with me and, oh, I can just do it in five minutes. I can just come by and shake your hand, let you see me. It'll take 10 minutes.

[Juror Number 51]

Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Is Mr.

[Investigator Q]

Okay? Listen, it ain't gonna take me about three minutes. This sweet woman just want to meet you, and we'll be there in about four or five minutes, and that'll be it. Okay. And then you set a time up to see. Meet her later on. Okay?

[Juror Number 53]

All right.

[Juror Number 48]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

Okay. Talk to you in a minute.

[Juror Number 56]

All right.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Juror number 56. I'd been trying to find her for nearly a year. I believe she held answers. Elizabeth had been waiting patiently in the car. I jumped back in and could barely get the words out. Follow Q. We're going. We're going to see her to see now before she changes her mind. It doesn't sound like we're going to the most safe place. I'm not really sure what to expect, but he's right now, I don't know. She's at her house, so we're afraid she's gonna change her mind. What am I gonna say? I'm not even prepared. So I'm just think about what you

[Juror Number 51]

want to ask her about. It doesn't have to be specific. Just think about the questions that you would have for someone on the jury.

[Juror Number 56]

What?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

See, this is why you come in person 100%. And also just one, why I like to lay eyes on people. But yes. And now, yeah, everything's better with a human connection, it is. And now we're rushing over to house

[Juror Number 51]

that nobody's been able to find. But your investigator found her in a couple of weeks. A week, yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

He found her over the weekend. As you can hear, we are hauling it down the freeway, driving faster than I'd like behind Kew.

[Juror Number 51]

This has to be exciting to be able to go and talk to somebody who is there in the courtroom. Because you'll get an independent

[Juror Number 53]

view.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

You're about to kill me.

[Juror Number 53]

Good God Almighty.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I know you're excited, Q. So, 20 miles over the speed limit.

[Juror Number 51]

That's Memphis. Depending on how this neighborhood looks, I may just do a little drive around. Or do you think it's. Well, let's just see where we go.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Yeah, I think I'm going to be back to the car in 10 minutes.

[Juror Number 51]

Okay. He's getting off here.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Wait, what is he saying? I don't know. I think he was saying, park right here. Y' all sit here.

[Juror Number 51]

Just give me some more room behind in front of that car.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay? Getaway room.

[Juror Number 51]

Yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Now, listen what I'm telling you, if someone tries to carjack you, just get out of the car. Don't try to.

[Juror Number 51]

All right?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm going in. Just naked.

[Juror Number 51]

Where's the key? All right.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Don't leave me. Memphis is ranked third in the nation for car thefts, down from the number one spot it held not long ago. So when I told Elizabeth to stay vigilant, I wasn't joking. Q led me into a worn apartment complex. It was about 1 o' clock in the afternoon and the July heat was already oppressive. We walked through an open lobby door and climbed the stairs to the side, second floor. So I have my phone recording, but you recorded too.

[Investigator Q]

Okay, sure.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay. I always like to have two backups when it's important.

[Investigator Q]

Hey, it's me. I'm at the door.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

Okay.

[Juror Number 56]

Hey, how you doing?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Nice to meet you. You're so pretty. Oh, you're beautiful. Thank you for letting us come in for a minute.

[Investigator Q]

I told you we weren't going to tie your time up. I just wanted you to know how sweet she was.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

At the time, I had no idea. But if you've already listened to episode four, you know this was juror number 56, the woman who would ultimately deliver one of the biggest bombshells of the investigation, which is what you're about to hear now. Andrew had an IQ of 6 62, which is a third grade level. He didn't understand what was going on. He didn't understand that he didn't have to testify and the judge didn't explain his rights to him.

[Investigator Q]

You know, that comes to mind when she said he seemed like he didn't care.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Now that I knew what was going

[Juror Number 56]

on, that's what I told Mr. Q. I said he seemed like he just. No, just out there, just didn't care. Just, you know, in space or something, you know.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Now I see he had a third grade level iq. He didn't know what was going on.

[Juror Number 56]

Lord, you're making me feel bad now.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm not here to make you feel bad.

[Juror Number 56]

I hate it.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's a terrible situation.

[Juror Number 56]

I know. I, I, when the man first, he said, do you. I tried to get out of jury and do it. And he said, I said, because. Because the police killed my brother. Which he did. I said, and I've had anger towards the police ever since. I thought they was gonna tell me, well, you don't have to do jury, you know, but they sequestered me and I had to do it, you know, but, but it was a hard jury, dude, because one girl, my, my roommate, I wish I had listened to her. Cause we was in the room talking. She said that he was innocent. She said, said that And I cannot think of her name for nothing. I, I, I don't know.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I heard the names of the other jurors.

[Juror Number 56]

If she let them to you, do

[Stephanie Tinsley]

you think if you heard some of the names, you might.

[Juror Number 56]

Been so long ago, but I might, you know, but she, she was black, and we was roommates together, and she, we was talking. So I said, do you really think that he did that? You know, and so she was just saying. She said, no. She didn't have no wear.

[Juror Number 51]

No.

[Juror Number 56]

Because she said no. She said, do you think he did that? I said, you know what? I really don't know. You know, and to be honest with you, I really didn't think he did it. But. But I wanted to hurt and go home because it was my birthday and they was giving me a party, and I really wanted to go. So I went along with those other people. You know, I was wrong for that, and it was hurting me now. I hate that. I hate that.

[Investigator Q]

Did you feel pressured to?

[Juror Number 56]

I did. I did. Cause those white men that was on Jersey, when we all got together in there and was talking, you know, they were saying that there's nothing wrong with him. You know, he's acting like he's just playing the role and all this kind of stuff, you know, I really feel bad now. I hate that.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Wow. Wow was about all I could say. I was speechless. I was sitting in the living room of a juror I'd spent months trying to find, and she had just admitted to two completely separate violations of the rules every juror promises to follow. First, she admitted that before deliberations had even begun, she discussed Andrew's guilt or innocence with her roommate, a fellow juror. Jurors are repeatedly instructed not to discuss the case with anyone until all the evidence has been presented, the judge has instructed them on the law, and the jury retires to deliberate together. Then she admitted to something that may have been even more troubling. She told me she wanted to hurry the deliberations because she had a party to get to. Rather than fully participating in the deliberative process, she said she went along with the rest of the jury and voted guilty so she could leave. Those weren't just disappointing admissions. They struck at two of the most fundamental principles of a fair trial. That jurors keep an open mind until deliberations begin, and that every juror carefully and independently considers the evidence before reaching a verdict. Is there anything else that stands out about being in the jury room?

[Juror Number 56]

I do not know your name, but

[Stephanie Tinsley]

the head leader man, the jury Foreman, juror number 57.

[Juror Number 56]

I know he kept on trying to convince us, you know, he just kept on telling us that he's playing the role.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

So you guys were talking about him being guilty or not guilty before we

[Juror Number 56]

were supposed to be on this, telling you how? Yeah.

[Juror Number 51]

Yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

That's important to know, too. I mean, it's things like that that could possibly get him a new trial. To be honest.

[Juror Number 56]

If they have found new evidence on him, why won't they let him go now?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Because a jury has already convicted him. And once a jury says guilty or not guilty, it is so hard to undo that we're trying to find new evidence. Someone like you, like a juror that has never spoken before, that would speak up and say, I felt rush or I did.

[Juror Number 56]

We did.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

You know, we talked and we weren't supposed to talk about the verdict, and we did. And both of y' all signed an affidavit and said that that's new. Those are new things. So you may be able to help get a mental. A hundred percent.

[Juror Number 56]

So we said stands.

[Juror Number 51]

Yes.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's hard to hear, but she says, so what? We said stands. The look on her face as she realizes what happened in the jury room nearly 20 years ago and what it did to Andrew Hayes is something I will never forget. Shock, guilt, unlike anything I have ever seen. Her tears had been falling for most of our conversation now. She could barely catch her breath. Q could see she was overwhelmed. That's when he revealed something I hadn't known about him before becoming an investigator. He'd spent years in ministry.

[Investigator Q]

It's not your fault. I see you crying and it's not your fault.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm just teenager.

[Juror Number 56]

Your prayer to.

[Investigator Q]

I've been into the ministry for a while.

[Juror Number 56]

You amazing man, you know that?

[Investigator Q]

Yes, ma'.

[Juror Number 53]

Am.

[Investigator Q]

I've had that. People tell me that. And I just thank the Creator for giving me the abilities and realize that it's him for using me to help other people. I did a ministry for 10 years to startup ministry for 10 years.

[Juror Number 56]

A preacher.

[Investigator Q]

Like a plant.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Yeah.

[Juror Number 56]

My pastor is pastor.

[Investigator Q]

I know exactly where you at. I'm trying to think of who goes in the church. Church that I know. It's somebody I know. They live in Bunker Hill.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Then the strangest exchange happened. I still don't know how to explain it. For just a moment, it felt like juror number 56 was seeing something in Q that went far beyond the conversation we were having. Maybe you'll hear it differently than I did. Just listen.

[Juror Number 56]

What do you know about Bonsa he

[Investigator Q]

knows I know about Bunker Hill, Gaslight Square.

[Juror Number 56]

Who are you?

[Investigator Q]

Smoky City. Evergreen. Douglas.

[Juror Number 56]

You know what? Pray for my house.

[Investigator Q]

Yes, Father. I thank you right now. In the mighty name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you for this gathering here today. God, you, you, you. You caused this to be. You brought this into existence. And we just glorify your name right now as we.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I bowed my head, but I kept watching them. There was something happening between the two that I still can't fully explain. It felt as though Q was helping her find peace and perhaps a way to make things right for Andrew.

[Investigator Q]

And we give you all the glory. We just thank you right now. In Jesus Christ's name we pray.

[Juror Number 51]

Amen.

[Investigator Q]

It's all in his hand.

[Juror Number 56]

As he said, there's two or three

[Stephanie Tinsley]

gathered in by name.

[Juror Number 56]

He's in midst.

[Investigator Q]

Yes, ma'.

[Juror Number 53]

Am.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's hard to hear, but she said, where two or three are gathered in my name. Later, I looked it up. She was quoting from the Christian Bible, Matthew 18:20. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am with them. There was something about that moment. Watching the connection between the two of them, hearing those words spoken in that tiny apartment, it gave me a renewed sense of hope. Hope that maybe Andrew's story wasn't over yet.

[Investigator Q]

You met a fine young lady, Ms. Tansley. She did, you know, we had to do our homework and check her out first. I told you she was a nice lady.

[Juror Number 56]

Yes, you did.

[Investigator Q]

I said she wasn't gonna be aggressive.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I knew that I couldn't just come in and let the customer.

[Juror Number 56]

So how did y' all meet?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

So Andrew's original private investigator was a man named Clark Chapman. And I said, I want to find Miss. Talk to her. I knew I had to talk to you. Something was calling me to come talk to you. And Clark said, I know the person that can help. And so that's how I met him. And he's just said, just trust me, and we'll get it done.

[Investigator Q]

So we found the angel.

[Juror Number 48]

Yeah.

[Juror Number 56]

He asked what? Because that's what I was back there doing my battle stuff. I do it every day, every week.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Well, I think this. I think this could help.

[Juror Number 56]

You know what?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I really do. I really do. We are.

[Juror Number 51]

We are. We are.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I wake up every morning. I go to bed every. Every day. I've been working on this for a year.

[Juror Number 48]

You have?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I've been working on it for a year.

[Juror Number 56]

You are so. I mean, your heart is. It's just nice to be, you know, a white girl.

[Juror Number 48]

Yeah.

[Juror Number 56]

You love people too, don't you?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Yes, you.

[Juror Number 56]

So sweet.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

We leave her apartment, and I can't get back into the car fast enough to tell Elizabeth, awesome job.

[Juror Number 48]

Awesome.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

You. Awesome job. Goodness.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

Thank you.

[Juror Number 51]

Nice to meet you.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Let me tell you what happened. You need to just pull over for a minute. Just pull up so she can't see us. I think we have major jury misconduct. Major. And she's gonna sign an affidavit. I tell Elizabeth that we've just uncovered what I think is major jury misconduct. But just to be sure, I pulled up the rules governing jurors and read the requirements out loud. Okay, so admitting the jury reached a verdict improperly agreeing to convict to end deliber quickly rushing to a verdict due to external pressures. So she admitted to two things. She said that she hurried her verdict. She didn't even think about it because she wanted to get out of being sequestered and go to her birthday party. And then she said jury deliberations were on a Saturday. She said before the judge gave them instructions. And her and her roommate made knew they weren't supposed to, but they talked about what their verdict should be before, oh, that's misconduct. You can't do that. Is that as big of a deal as I think it is?

[Juror Number 51]

It seems like it to me.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It seems like jury misconduct. I mean, if this is what you're

[Juror Number 51]

instructing to convict the case with anyone, even amongst yourselves, you're told that, I

[Stephanie Tinsley]

mean, seems like a big deal.

[Juror Number 51]

I think it sounds like a crazy big deal. It's just going to be. Are there any, like, oh, buts that, Jason, that a criminal attorney says, like, oh, but this, this, this?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Unfortunately, it wasn't enough. I sent everything to Andrew's legal team, convinced we'd found something important. They spent the entire weekend reviewing it, but ultimately decided not to add it to Andrew's case. I was crushed, but not deterred. Q kept searching one juror at a time. A few days later, he found juror number 48, who you'll hear from right after this break. Q called me from the field. He'd located another juror number 48. She was standing with him, ready to talk. Is this.

[Investigator Q]

This is.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh, great, great, great. Okay,

[Investigator Q]

Say hello to me.

[Juror Number 48]

Hello. How you doing?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Hi, miss. How are you?

[Juror Number 48]

I'm doing just fine.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Well, and so you remember the trial pretty well?

[Juror Number 48]

Mostly a little bit, yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Tell me what you remember off the bat.

[Juror Number 48]

Only thing I remember that, you know, it was a policeman. Daddy and the lady, they stole the stuff out the house, and she kept the car For a while and they drove around the city in the car. The woman did and then the guy that was charged, he really didn't know anything about. He was kind of slow, a slow person. And they charged him for it.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Do you remember when you were back in deliberations with the jury?

[Juror Number 48]

I remember we had to go back in there because they kept on. They wouldn't agreeing. It was a deadlock or something, you know. Cause half thought he didn't and half did, you know, so looked like one of my nephews or something, you know,

[Stephanie Tinsley]

talking about Andrew's appearance and he looked

[Juror Number 48]

like a little weak person. Like he couldn't really do nothing like that. But that didn't matter.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Did you all think that he killed Danny Harris?

[Juror Number 48]

I'm thinking that he wasn't there at all. He just got caught in the midst

[Stephanie Tinsley]

and so was confusing the woman that came from the prison.

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[Stephanie Tinsley]

i'm referring to Tammy who pled guilty to Danny's murder. She had already pled guilty to Danny's murder. And when she got on the stand, she said it wasn't Andrew that killed Danny, it was my daughter Sarah. Do you remember that?

[Juror Number 56]

I'm trying to see.

[Juror Number 48]

Did I hear that? I could see her up there on that stand, but I don't see. I can't hear what she's saying. I mean, I can't remember what she's saying.

[Investigator Q]

Quick question. Did you reform and do you remember one of the white guys or somebody that was like when y' all were trying to liberate and stuff like that? Was anybody kind of trying to get everybody on the same page?

[Juror Number 48]

Some people, they said guilty, some said not guilty. And I don't know if it was the fireman or someone was getting tired, they didn't want to be there no more, so they was trying to rush it up.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

When you were sequestered, did you have a roommate?

[Juror Number 48]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

And did you all talk at night or in the morning?

[Juror Number 48]

Oh, no, they told us we couldn't talk to them. You couldn't do nothing, you couldn't call nobody you couldn't do nothing. We just locked down in the hotel and Lord, I hope it's my last time.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

The next day, Q found juror number 34.

[Investigator Q]

Okay, she's gonna call me back. Or she's gonna call you. Let me give you one we've got.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

She is. I talked to her mother living in Longmont, Colorado right now. I also talked to her husband, and he remembers everything that she was on the jury and everything. So he's going to have her call me back.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

But unfortunately, she never did. Next came juror number 53. Like juror number 48, Q had tracked her down in person and was standing beside her when he called me.

[Juror Number 53]

I just remember that being pretty traumatizing.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Why was it traumatizing?

[Juror Number 53]

Because I've never done anything like that before. And I definitely did not want to be the one to be over a judgment of someone's life, what their faith in life is. I know it was one lady at the sheriff's department. I remember because she spoke a lot.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Did you feel a lot of pressure going into it as a juror?

[Juror Number 53]

Actually, I got sick one day. I was sick and I wasn't even able to go down because it stressed me out so much. So it was very stressful. It made me sick. I didn't feel comfortable with it at all.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

That sounds terrible. Do you remember if there were any really strong personalities or any people that made you uncomfortable?

[Juror Number 53]

Oh, yeah. Quite a few of them did because what they thought, they was not afraid to voice the opinion about what they thought. So, yeah, it made me very uncomfortable.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's amazing hearing all these voices again. We were driven by an instinct that time was running out. That somewhere there was information we needed before it disappeared forever. Looking back, we were right. There were still a few people left to find. About a week later, I was back in Memphis, meeting up with Q again. I climbed into his big black truck with dark tinted windows and we set off to find two more jurors. Juror number 51 and juror number 52.

[Investigator Q]

Juror number 51. Juror number 52. Juror Number 51 is. She should be 66 now. And juror number 52, she should be 70. And back in the day, it said that on her paperwork. Back then, it said she was married to a salesman with two kids. We're going to South Perkins apartment. That's where we're headed to now. So let's see. It's right. Should be right down the street here. We don't want to impede upon their privacy. If It's.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I want to talk as much as they'll talk to me.

[Investigator Q]

See? You notice my hard hat back there? You see the hard hat?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh, yeah.

[Investigator Q]

I also have server equipment to walk around like I'm surfing.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

That's smart. So. So you can.

[Investigator Q]

Exactly. I get into their houses. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I walk around with a. A measuring. A roller and everything. And I put my vest on.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm telling you.

[Investigator Q]

Hold on one second. You probably didn't notice I had this fanny pack on, did you?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

No, but I know what's in it now.

[Investigator Q]

Oh, yeah.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm happy that you have a fanny pack.

[Investigator Q]

It's not that I'm worried about anything. Let me tell you something. You got to be prepared. Some jumped off. I got to protect you, you know, I. I got you. Some jumped off. Right, right. While we were there, you, you know, good. You were paying attention and.

[Clark Chapman]

And.

[Investigator Q]

And saw what I told you earlier, you know, about. I don't want to be just around people. We're good.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

There you go. You think we need to walk to the door like this, though?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Not like this.

[Investigator Q]

No, no. Okay.

[Juror Number 53]

Yes.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm just. No, no, no.

[Investigator Q]

Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

No, no, no. In fact, I'm gonna have my phone recording, but it's gonna be in my pocket. I'm not gonna walk up like.

[Investigator Q]

Right.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Anything is happening other than you don't

[Investigator Q]

want to make them feel easy in any kind of way.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Taking me around today and just like helping me out meeting. So. It's a nice looking apartment complex. I won't give away all of Q's trade secrets. But before I knew it, we were inside the building, headed to a specific apartment door. I simply followed his lead. I wonder if we hit pound if it would dial, and if so, I thought we would say, is this noticeable?

[Investigator Q]

No.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

Whoa. Little stouser. Look like you got a big tough dog there.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Yeah, he's real tough.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay. No, he's not.

[Investigator Q]

Okay, let me explain that. My name is Investigator. Let me give you one of my cards.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

How are you?

[Juror Number 56]

I'm good.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

My name is Stephanie.

[Juror Number 56]

I'm good.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I am producing a documentary about a murder trial in 2010, and I think you were on the jury, and it's Andrew Wayne Hayes, me.

[Investigator Q]

You're not in trouble.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

She does that all the time.

[Investigator Q]

You're not in any trouble. Anything. I'm an investigator, first of all, and we're working on a case that we thought you all was on.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

This murder trial, juror number 51 invited us into her home. A tidy fourth floor condo overlooking an interior Atrium. It was a quiet afternoon, and it appeared she and her roommate, or perhaps her wife, were enjoying a lazy day together. A pot of coffee was brewing. We sat around her kitchen table for more than an hour, and she reflected on the trial. She remembered quite a bit, but she didn't want to go on the record, even though I left feeling like we'd had an open and productive conversation. When I later reached back out to ask her for a formal interview, she ghosted me. To say I was impressed with Investigator Q and his skills is an understatement. While none of those conversations uncovered the new evidence Andrew needed, it was remarkable simply to find those jurors and hear them reflect on a trial they seemed eager to leave behind. So we now turned our attention to. To the person I now believed Q could find. Sarah Lucas Rydell.

[Investigator Q]

If Sarah's the interest in missing piece. If she's the missing piece, I tell you, you cold turkey her, you know, and you catch her and just go out there and see her. Yeah, I have to go out there and just see her, you know?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Well, I. I don't think that she would admit to killing Danny. But you never know what she's gonna say. And anything she says, she's just pigeonholing herself into a story. And anything on record is good.

[Investigator Q]

Exactly.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

So any. Her saying anything is good.

[Investigator Q]

Anything.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

And Sarah. What's her full name?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Sarah Riddell. R I E D E L. Okay. And her last known place is Lawton, Oklahoma. And I can send you her birthday. I'll have to.

[Investigator Q]

Yeah, send me whatever you have on her.

[Juror Number 51]

Yeah.

[Investigator Q]

And we'll try to see if we can make a game plan.

[Juror Number 53]

Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

The following week, Q headed 10 hours north to Oklahoma to find Sarah. Along the way, he called me at every major milestone. He gained access to our neighborhood, learned her routine, talked to her neighbors, tracked down family members. Piece by piece, he uncovered details about Sarah that no one had been able to find. Q was finding it all.

[Investigator Q]

This is my second day here in Duncan. I have. Man, I've been about 15 different addresses last two days. She's been seen at a store twice. But I've seen somebody seen Sarah last week, but they've moved from all these different addresses. But tonight I've got three of the same addresses. I'm going to go back tonight to see if anybody's going to be there. Car wise. The guy that owns the Dash Cash, guy by the name of Tanner, he says she comes in there every day. So she's in that neighborhood somewhere. I'm driving around this evening. I'm getting ready to go back over there now to drive around to see if they're at either one of those ten addresses. I've gone to on different people to see if any different cars are there, the edges that they were. I combed the neighborhood talk. Two or three neighbors, they seem to have moved about two or three years ago. They're in that dope crowd, from what I understand. Seems as though they may be on that dope. But anyway, the guy that owns Dash Cash, his name is Tanner T A N E R, he said he hadn't seen Sarah in probably two or three weeks.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Is Dash Cash. Is that like a pawn shop or what do you. Why do you think she's put in there?

[Investigator Q]

No, it's a story. It's one of the neighborhood stories. It's one of the best gas station. They get, you know, cigarettes, black and Mile doing it, but at the same time trying to give it to where you come out here and it's all set rather than you come out here and I'm, of course looking for them, you know, and not having them. You understand what I'm saying?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh, yeah, for sure. I want you to know where they are before I. Before I make a trip. And it, you know, if it's not the end of this week and it's whatever. It feels right.

[Investigator Q]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

I've got.

[Investigator Q]

I've got about 12 different addresses I've been to overall and. And sitting around watching. Now I'm getting ready to go to Lauden and brought another. I've got two more addresses I'm going to go to again to see if. Since it's the E time, if they come home from work. So I'm getting ready to do that. And then if it gets too dark, I'm going to go ahead and go back to Lauden.

[Juror Number 51]

Okay.

[Investigator Q]

All right, so we'll be. I will be in touch.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

As you recall from episode seven, as Q is trying to locate Sarah, his sources tell him she's been hospitalized and he tracks down John Vance, Sarah's father, to find out which hospital.

[Investigator Q]

Now, when I get through talking to you off this here, you'll understand why when I told you about the first situation, as far as the price, you'll understand once I get through with this. Oh, man. All right. I was walking to. To the house, the lady was talking about, you know, the girl that used to live here, Sarah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm listening to her conversation. I've got her on recorder and it's a lady live upstairs and she's talking about the police just left here 10 minutes ago. Sarah is truly in bad shape and she's in the hospital, but we don't know which one she. I'm gonna. John is back here now. I'm gonna walk in with my recorder going. Mr. Police.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

The police were there and picked up Sarah.

[Juror Number 48]

I don't know.

[Investigator Q]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sarah's in the hospital somewhere. She's bad off. The lady upstairs told me she is bad off. Hold on one second, let me try to see if I can.

[Juror Number 53]

Wow.

[Investigator Q]

Because the lady upstairs, she's on the phone outside gossiping right now. Let me see here. Okay, let's go in here. Walk in here on him. Let's do this like this. Yo. Let's see. Can we get some action going with you on the phone? Hey, you there?

[Juror Number 51]

Uh huh.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I'm here. Q gets the information he needs from Mr. Vance and immediately changes course, determined to lay eyes on Sarah. We've been told she was in the hospital, but by this point we'd learned not to trust anything until we verified it ourselves. That's exactly what Q set out to do.

[Investigator Q]

Okay, so what you have is now we're pretty much at the end of this rope now. Bottom line is now I think they said Integris Baptist. So that's in Oklahoma City and that's where I'm catching my plane out of. So before it gets dark, I'll be headed toward that way. I should be probably about an hour to 80 minutes, nine miles, but it's 80. They, they expressway is 80 miles an hour, so.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh wow.

[Investigator Q]

And I drive pretty fast. So let's, let's say around about 7:30ish, you know, just be trying to see if you can find her, you know, at that number and see if they can give you any information where she is. But definitely we know she's at the hospital.

[Juror Number 57 (Foreman)]

Hospital.

[Investigator Q]

So yeah, you know, it's been, it's been a ride, man. I'm telling you.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I mean you, you have, you have done an amazing job.

[Investigator Q]

And I, I've got pictures of everything. I'm gonna send you a picture of the house that they're at.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Well, so are you just gonna, are you gonna try to go to the hospital or what are you, what are you doing?

[Investigator Q]

Well, I may, I may just go since I think I can make it before it gets dark and just go in and kind of survey where is that exactly? This.

[Juror Number 56]

Yeah.

[Investigator Q]

And then I'll get, just cut it after that.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Looking back, it's incredible to think how much of this investigation happened over phone calls, long drives, parking lots and in person conversations no one ever expected to matter. And maybe after hearing some of this, you have a few more questions you'd like answers to. I know. I see. Still do. I hope you've enjoyed this behind the scenes look at my investigative adventures with Q. Clark was right. Q really was everything he said. He was sharp, patient, thoughtful, resourceful. An investigator who listens more than he talks, treats people with respect, and somehow has a way of making complete strangers trust him. He took me under his wing, he looked out for me, physically protected me when we were knocking on strangers doors, and somehow always seemed to know where to go next. He never wasted time or money. And from the very beginning, long before we found Sarah, he believed Andrew Hayes was innocent. Nearly a year later, we're still in touch and when the next important chapter in Andrew's story unfolds, I have no doubt Hugh will be there as we wait for Andrew Hayes hearing on August 24th. Thank you for continuing to follow this story and thank you for listening to these behind the scenes recordings that never made it into the original series. Until next time,