Protocol

Summary

Podcast Summary: Everything They Missed

Episode 1: "Protocol"

Host: Stephanie Tinsley
Date: September 5, 2025

Overview

The inaugural episode of "Everything They Missed" reopens the largely forgotten 2007 Memphis murder of Danny Harris—a father, veteran, and Tennessean found dead under shocking and suspicious circumstances. Host Stephanie Tinsley embarks on a personal, year-long investigation, exposing questionable police work, overlooked evidence, egregious protocol breaches, and the complex web of relationships surrounding Harris’s brutal death. Through unreleased interrogation tapes, expert insights, and fresh interviews, Tinsley sets out to illuminate the unanswered questions suppressing the truth for over a decade.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Crime Scene and Initial Discovery

• Setting the Scene:
  • Danny Harris, age 55, was discovered after months overdue rent in his Cordova, TN apartment (15 mins outside Memphis).
  • The welfare check revealed a locked apartment, alarm set, “last person to leave knew the code” ([04:00]-[04:42], Jason Gishner).
• Disturbing Details:
  • "The apartment was silent. The AC was cranked as cold as it could go. Air fresheners were plugged in. Glass candles burned down to the wick were scattered around the living room. And a towel had been stuffed under the bedroom door." ([05:03])
  • Harris lay on his bed, severely decomposed, with a towel forcibly stuffed in his mouth, his face unrecognizable, evidence of cleaning fluids on his clothes, and a pacemaker indicating death occurred two months prior ([05:43]-[06:23], Stephanie).

2. Law Enforcement Response & Mishandled Protocol

• Police Entry & Immediate Missteps:
  • Notably, Chris Harris (Danny’s estranged son and local cop) was asked to come to the crime scene before knowing it was his father, an act heavily criticized by retired NYPD detective Joe Jacalone for violating crime scene standards ([11:06]-[12:13]).
  • “The golden rule is you treat every death as suspicious until proven otherwise… you run the risk of trampling a crime scene… The protocol should be every death, the detectives are notified” – Joe Jacalone ([12:13]).
• Evidence Left Untested:
  • No DNA testing on the towel stuffed in Danny’s mouth, comforter, or other key objects ([14:07]).
  • Only 2 out of 5 bloody fingerprints were collected ([14:29]).
  • An overlooked alarm system, untouched bath mat/towels, and unexamined women’s jewelry left on the nightstand.
  • Jacalone: “If you couldn’t figure out that this was a homicide just by looking at what’s going on, then maybe the cops should be writing parking sentences instead… It screams homicide.” ([12:56])

3. Background & Host’s Motivation

• Tinsley reveals her initial draw to true crime and unexpected personal involvement:
  • Her family’s indirect link to the Murdaugh murders, which thrust her behind the scenes with true crime media ([17:46]-[18:25]).
  • Her research led to attorney Jason Gishner and, through a personal school connection, to a case with more questions than answers—a story Gishner was “most nervous to talk about.”
  • “That’s what worries me, is that I’m not ready for this story to be out in the world because once that happens, I lose control of the narrative.” – Jason Gishner ([19:43])

4. The “Protocol” of Investigation: The First 48 and Its Breach

• The crucial “first 48” hours after a murder set the tone for the case, a point repeatedly emphasized by Jacalone; in Danny’s case, not only was this window missed, but every subsequent step compounded the error ([08:59]-[09:20]).
• Det. Jacalone underscores the need for urgency—“The longer it goes, the worse it gets”—but here, weeks passed before discovery, irreparably hampering the investigation ([09:06], [11:39]).

5. Tracking Stolen Property and Rising Suspects

• Danny’s truck, TV, and pistol were stolen. When police traced the truck via informant “Snow” (Janice Jefferson), they linked it to Tammy Vance and her daughter Sarah Lucas, who tried pawning stolen goods ([21:25]-[22:23]).
• Snow tipped police off about the stolen truck, leading to Tammy’s arrest. Attorney Elizabeth Bolling and the host help reconstruct the botched evidence search and snowballing confusion ([22:58]).

6. Tammy Vance: The Companion and Informant

• Tammy and Danny met through Megamates, an old chat line service. Tammy eventually moved in, supporting Danny financially by dating (“doing what she was already doing”) with his knowledge ([27:46]).
• Tammy reported several guests (many men) frequenting Harris’s apartment pre-death, expanding the suspect pool ([28:18]), but soon, under interrogation, she implicated herself and named Wayne Bobo ([28:42]-[29:05]).

7. The Name that Changed Everything

• The “match dropped into gasoline”: Tammy’s mention of Wayne Bobo shifted the investigation’s focus, sparking a cascade of assumptions and investigative shortcuts ([29:05]).
• "This was one of the quickest cases to get closed and one of the most poorly investigated cases I’ve ever seen.” – Jason Gishner ([30:37])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Crime Scene:

• "The smell of death is undeniable. It goes through sheetrock, it goes through ceilings, it goes through walls. Once you've smelled one or two, you can never forget that smell."
  — Joe Jacalone ([03:01])

• “His face was unrecognizable. His skin was so decomposed it had turned black. His shirt and shorts had white stains like they had been splashed with bleach or kerosene. Hanging from his mouth was a towel jammed in with such force it drove a tooth into his lung.”
  — Stephanie Tinsley ([05:43])

On Law Enforcement Failures:

• “If you couldn’t figure out that this was a homicide just by looking… then maybe the cops should be writing parking sentences instead.”
  — Joe Jacalone ([12:56])

• “All of these items they miss sound sloppy and half assed, then I don’t know how else to prepare you for what’s coming. Because it gets worse. Much worse.”
  — Stephanie Tinsley ([15:04])

On the Protocol Breach:

• “Should Chris Harris have been kept away from the crime scene? For all they knew, he could have been a suspect… But he was one of their own. So if there were rules, they bent them quietly.”
  — Stephanie Tinsley ([13:29])

On the Rush to Close:

• "This was one of the quickest cases to get closed and one of the most poorly investigated cases I've ever seen."
  — Jason Gishner ([30:37])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:01]: Joe Jacalone describes the smell of death.
• [05:03]-[05:43]: Discovery of the crime scene and Harris's state.
• [08:59]: Introduction of the "first 48" investigative protocol.
• [11:39]: Issues surrounding decomposition and its investigatory complications.
• [12:13]-[12:56]: Jacalone outlines the failures and why protocol matters.
• [14:07]-[14:29]: Discussion of evidence that was not collected/tested.
• [17:46]-[18:25]: Tinsley’s personal connection to true crime and the Murdaugh case.
• [21:25]-[22:23]: Introduction of informant "Snow" and the connection to Tammy Vance.
• [27:46]: Tammy’s relationship with Danny and her “work” arrangement.
• [28:42]-[29:05]: Tammy implicates herself, brings up Wayne Bobo.
• [30:37]: Summary of the case closure failures.

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Tone and Style

Stephanie Tinsley’s approach is direct, evocative, and personal—combining classic true crime documentary with first-person narrative. She’s relentless yet empathetic, determined to ask difficult questions and challenge the official story with meticulous research, candid expert interviews, and a willingness to confront the human cost of missteps.

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Conclusion

"Protocol" sets the stage for a season-long investigation into not just who killed Danny Harris, but how justice was derailed by systemic flaws, ignored evidence, and premature closure. Tinsley promises to “trace every name, every lie, every dead end… until it’s outed, who’s responsible.” By airing new evidence and never-before-heard voices, the show offers more than a cold case rehash: it’s a quest for accountability, transparency, and maybe justice—if such a thing is still possible.

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For images, documents, or tip submission, listeners are directed to everythingtheymiss.com and Stephanie’s social media for extended content.

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For more than a decade, this case has been considered settled. But when I was first introduced to it, there were far more questions than answers. This tape and other new evidence threatens to unravel what many would like to forget. What do they have to hide? Let's find out. I'm Stephanie Tinsley, and this is everything they missed. Episode 1 Protocol.

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The Smell of death is undeniable. It goes through sheetrock it goes through ceilings, it goes through walls. I mean, once you've smelled one or two, you can never forget that smell.

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Joe Jacalon is a tough east coast retired cop. You could say he's seen his fair share of dead bodies. And over the past year he's become my go to in making sense of crime scenes. Because death and murder are not my world. At least they weren't until I came across this story. It starts simple, on an afternoon, October 26, 2007, at an apartment just outside Memphis, Tennessee. That's where 55 year old Danny Harris called home.

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So Danny Harris had been living in this apartment complex in Cordova, Tennessee, which is about 15 minutes outside of kind of downtown Memphis area.

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This is attorney Jason Gishner, who knows this case well.

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And just so you can kind of get a feel for what this place is like, it's kind of one story buildings where people have their own unit, parking place out front, probably 1,000 square feet or less, brick apartments, kind of all in a row, one story type deal. Well, Mr. Harris had been living there for some time and some months had passed where he hadn't paid his rent. Apparently he had a good history of paying his rent before. So the people that run the property were essentially doing a welfare check on him to be like, what's going on here? They knock, nobody answers. They're concerned. The apartment was locked and the alarm was on. So obviously the last person who left the apartment was somebody that knew the code or knew how to turn the alarm on. So they go inside, realize something really bad has happened here. And the apartment manager at that point says police need to go in and take care of it from here.

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The apartment was silent. The AC was cranked as cold as it could go. Air fresheners were plugged in. Glass candles burned down to the wick were scattered around the living room. And a towel had been stuffed under the bedroom door. All of it were obvious signs for officers to call it in, but nothing could have prepared them for what was behind that door.

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So the police go in and what they encounter is a horrible crime scene. You know, Mr. Harris is in his bedroom. He has obviously been dead for a long time.

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Dana Harris was on the bed, one foot hanging off his arms above his head. The wide bedspread had so much blood on it it had turned pink. His face was unrecognizable. His skin was so decomposed it had turned black. His shirt and shorts had white stains like they had been splashed with bleach or kerosene. Hanging from his mouth was a towel jammed in with such force it drove a tooth into his lung. His pacemaker told the rest he had been dead for two months.

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You've got a crime scene in the bedroom where he's essentially laying on the bed. He's been like this for a long time. You have some blood around the house, you have disheveled paperwork, things of that nature. It appears that some things in the apartment have been removed. Looks like a TV's been taken out of there.

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Again, this is retired NYPD detective and the voice you heard at the start of this episode, Joe Jack.

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Alone, the first 48. It makes for great TV. It just kind of gives you the urgency, let's put it that way. There's an urgent thought to get this thing done as fast as you can because the longer it goes, the worse it gets.

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You've probably heard the phrase the first 48. The idea that the first two days of an investigation are the most critical. But the reason Joe says it makes for great TV is because it is an A E reality show that was filmed in Memphis.

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For homicide detectives, the clock starts ticking the moment they are called. Their chance of solving a murder is cut in half if they don't get a lead within the first 48 hours.

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And the detectives who arrived at the crime scene are the same detectives who starred in it.

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Sergeant Caroline Mason, a four year homicide veteran, will work the investigation.

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While we can't confirm the first 48 cameras were rolling the day Danny Harris was found, what we do know is this. One of the first discoveries inside that apartment was would shift the stakes entirely. Inside the bedroom, Sergeant Carolyn Mason found a photo and a program from the sheriff department graduation ceremony. She stepped outside and told the officers, he's a friend of ours. The photo was of Chris Harris, a well known officer of the Shelby County Sheriff's department and SWAT team. What detectives didn't know is that Chris was the son of the victim. At first they actually thought Danny was a black man. His body was so decomposed that his skin had discolored. So they asked Chris if he knew anyone who lived at the apartment. And they were stunned to learn that Danny was his father. Confused, Chris asked them what was wrong, and instead of giving him an explanation, they told him, just come to the scene.

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I mean, you walk in and you saw somebody who was in full decomposition. Right? I mean, it's just, there's no question about. The skin had already started to turn different colors, so rigor mortis was already come and gone. Livomortis is the blood that settles in the dependent areas that's now gone because of the decomposition. Just totally eats the body away. So most people have seen things worse in horror movies at this point. But the issue that comes down to is it makes for investigations extremely difficult because of the condition that the body is in.

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His father decomposed for two months in bed. That was the scene Chris was invited to. The two had been estranged for some time. After his divorce, Danny turned to alcohol and had become distant, not just from Chris, but from his entire family. Even estranged, who knew what Chris felt knowing his father was in that condition. Guilt, rage, horror. The fact that he Was allowed at the crime scene at all, Jacqueline tells me, was not by the book.

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The golden rule is you treat every death as if it's suspicious until proven otherwise. And this way, you don't run the risk of trampling a crime scene if it's a potential crime scene. Right? There are certain things that you just can't control, right? So anytime you. The cop enters the room, you technically have disturbed the crime scene. So the protocol should be every death, the detectives are notified. The detectives should come in and do a preliminary investigation, which would include snapping some photos, taking a look at some of the things in the room, see if there's something missing, something like that. If you couldn't figure out that this was a homicide just by looking at what's going on, then, you know, maybe the cops should be right in parking sentences instead. I mean, there's blood spatter on the walls. There's something stuffed in his mouth. I mean, it just. It screams homicide. What I do question is the condition that the victim was in to bring the son in to try to identify, you know, what's going on right there. I mean, that could have been very traumatic for this individual. But, you know, there's other questions I have is like, it's been two months since the last time you spoke to your dad, right? So there could be some other kind of incident where they're estranged, or there's other issues going on. And if you're the police, do you really want to now bring all that into this?

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At this moment, should Chris Harris have been kept away from the crime scene? For all they knew, he could have been a suspect. He could have lost control. But he was one of their own. So if there were rules, they bent quietly. And the more I started to ask about what happened that day, I'd find it wasn't the only questionable decision they made. So when they start processing the scene now, there's a rag stuffed down Danny's throat. A red rag. So was the red rag tested for DNA?

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No.

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Was the comforter that he was found laying on tested for anything?

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Nothing was tested for DNA. You know, the only real testing that was done on the scene was blood spatter testing that was done by a police officer who I have some pretty serious concerns whether he was qualified.

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There was no shortage of evidence that this was a homicide. The blasting, I see. The candles burned down to the wick, the air fresheners and outlets, all of it, like someone was desperate to mask the smell. But did the cops treat this seen with proper protocol and care? I'D say that's debatable at best. There was an alarm system that was never dusted, a bath mat and towel in the washing machine, and women's jewelry on the nightstand next to his body. The other towel that was under the bedroom door left untouched the one stuffed in Danny's mouth. Same. And if that's not bad enough, there were five bloody fingerprints, but detectives only collected two that day. And if all of these items they miss sound sloppy and half assed, then I don't know how else to prepare you for what's coming. Because it gets worse. Much worse.

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If you're a true crime fan, you've probably heard all this a thousand times before another botched investigation. I'll admit these flaws aren't exactly new or shocking. I know I've heard them all before. I've been a true crime junkie since before that was a known phrase. I'm talking decades. But what led me to the investigation of Danny Harris wasn't a podcast news story or family member. It was actually another murder which my entire life got pulled into.

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A husband and father are facing death decades behind bars. My husband, trial attorney Mark Tinsley, was connected to the case. And we found ourselves at the center of a media firestorm. Netflix filmed a documentary at our home. So did Dateline 2020. All the major crime shows. For years, I'd just been a viewer. Now I was watching top tier producers getting a behind the scenes look at how my favorite shows were made. But I also began to see another side. There were some journalists exploiting victims for clicks and headlines. And that's when it hit me. I realized I wanted to tell one of these stories myself. So I started looking. The week I started researching, if you believe in coincidences, a case found me. My son came home and said his friend Lucy got up at school assembly and did a presentation on her dad, a lawyer. His work sounded fascinating, so I gave him a call and explained to him the type of story I was looking for. That lawyer was Jason Gishner. He told me about a handful of cases, but there was one that stood out. It was ongoing, one that made him the most nervous to talk about.

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That's what worries me, is that I'm not ready for this story to be out in the world because once that happens, I lose control of the narrative.

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Jason was hesitant at first about me, about the idea of putting the story into a podcast. But eventually he opened up for me. What started as a side project quickly became something else entirely. I had no idea where the story would take me, the people I would meet, the dangerous places I'd end up. It wasn't just true crime anymore. Jason and I spoke about the case often. And to him, his focus came back to the first 48 hours, the people and the things that were missing. For instance, Danny's truck, a 2006 GMC Sierra, along with a large TV and a 40 caliber pistol. Detectives put out a bologna be on the lookout for the truck and tapped into their networks of pawn shops, back alleys and confidential informants for tips. They were shaking trees. And that's when someone came forward. She went by the name Snow.

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Snow. His real name is Janice Jefferson. She's a woman who was living in Memphis, who was a confidential informant who had been working for the police and also had a home where she would rent a room out of her house. I think Snow was the kind of person that probably had her own substance problems. Is working with the police both to make money and also probably to make some of her own personal charges go away.

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Late August, two women showed up at Snow's doorstep. Tammy Vance and her daughter, Sarah Lucas. Tammy was a heavyset, sharp tongued woman from Louisiana who Snow knew from running around at the local smoky bars. Sarah wasn't far off from her mama, but that day, something was off. Tammy had a black eye and a circular wound on her forehead. Tammy said a man named Danny had roughed her up while drunk, then felt so guilty he checked himself into rehab and left her his truck. They were broke. Claimed they tried pawning a bulky tube tv, but no one would take it. Snow had heard a hundred stories like this before, but she needed the money, so she took the TV as payment. She figured that'd be the end of it. But the next month, Tammy was broke again. So she popped open the truck's front seat and pulled out a gun, asking Snow to help her sell it.

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So Tammy Vance is driving around in this truck, and Snow doesn't think it's Tammy's truck. She thinks that Tammy's driving around in a stolen truck. She calls up the police, drops the dime on Tammy and says, look, I think this lady's driving around town, her and her daughter in a stolen truck. And they run the truck, they figure out that it's stolen. And pretty soon after that, people start connecting the dots that not only is this a stolen truck, but this is a stolen truck that belongs to a guy that they soon find out has been murdered.

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Snow knew where Tammy was that day and directed officers to a map Go gas station just down the street. Snow was sitting there on the porch and heard all the sirens and couldn't help herself and goes over there to see what's happening. That's Elizabeth Bolling. She's a talented attorney who's great at finding cracks in the story. And the two of us have been working to piece everything together. And then when she gets there and watches them arrest Tammy, she goes over to him and tells those police officers that there's more possible evidence at their house. So she invites them back to the house. Andrew, her son in law, opens the door and lets the police in. And they want Snow and her daughter to come down to the station to give their statements about it.

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They were riding down in a police.

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Car, but Andrew, even though he doesn't have a license, he follows them down to the police station.

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So he'll be there when they're finished.

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Giving their statement and he can give.

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Them a ride home.

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Police question everyone, including Andrew, the man who gave the women a ride to the station. But no one is providing anything useful until Tammy Vance starts to talk. It seems like Tammy was obviously considered a suspect because she was driving a stolen truck. But she pretended that she didn't know Danny was dead. Eventually, she gets tired and starts to brake when she recalls the strangest chance encounter that began nine months earlier.

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Tammy met Danny through a dating site and that I believe that was to be around January 2007.

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Clark Chapman isn't a man of many words, so I was glad to talk to him. For this podcast, he's interviewed Tammy Vance more than anyone else. He tells me back in early 2007, Danny Harris was lonely. He wasn't looking for love, just someone to share a beer or a cigarette with. He was so lonely he started dialing strangers.

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Looking for a friend.

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Press 1. A casual date. Press 2.

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And from then, from understanding she, she came to his house, they had some relationships and then. Then there was some pause from my understanding what she told me, that she didn't come around for a while. Then it was some months later, Danny calls. Tammy, asked her, you know, come back, he needs her help.

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July 2007, Tammy Vance moves in with Danny. He's barely scraping by, falling behind on rent and she steps in to help.

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She said that house was very unkept There was beer cans everywhere and cartons of cigarettes. So she helped him, and she said she felt sorry for him.

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Tammy also says she offered to go to work at a restaurant, but Danny shot her down. He wanted her to stick with what she was already doing.

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She had been meeting men on this chat line that. That she had met Danny through and that she was going out on dates with these men and bringing back some of that money to help him pay some of his bills. And Danny was aware of that, and so he was in agreement that, you know, she keep doing that, and he allowed her to have these men come over to his house.

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This is where things get messy, because according to Tammy, there were a lot of people coming and going from Danny's place leading up to his death. Mostly men, criminals, drug users. All hours of the night, police were questioning Tammy, but the suspect pool was now open to any man she brought over.

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So as these interrogations are going down, the police have different people in different rooms, and they're talking to Tammy. And initially, Tammy is making denials, but at some point during the interrogation, gets to the point that she admits her involvement in this crime. She's mitigating what she did, but she admits that she's involved in it. And she throws out the name of this other guy named Wayne Bobo.

[B]

A new name entered the investigation. Wayne Bobo. And when Tammy Vance said his name, it was like dropping match into gasoline. You see, I've spent months combing through what happened, talking to lawyers and investigators, peering through the evidence, the interrogation, the lies. And much of it comes back to this moment. A second single name, One that kicked off a series of mistakes, missteps, and assumptions that spiraled into one of the most catastrophic failures of justice I've ever seen. Earlier, I said, there are people who would rather this story stay buried, people who made decisions they'd rather not have questioned. I didn't anticipate how far I'd take this, but once I understood everything that happened in 2007, I made a decision to. Not just to make this podcast, but to ask the questions the cops didn't. To trace every name, every lie, every dead end they gave up on until it's outed, who's responsible. And if you look it up, what you'll find is, this case is closed, but we're just getting started.

[A]

This was one of the quickest cases to get closed and one of the most poorly investigated cases I've ever seen.

[B]

I read in those statements the very end of it. It says, you understand that this interview has been recorded. But the day after, they say they do not have recording capabilities. Would getting it out to the public help you at all?

[A]

I don't know yet. I mean, I'm thinking through kind of all my options at this point. She was using his ATM card dozens of times on the day of the murder. After the day of the murder, it's like, come on.

[B]

Well, they're telling me that you're asking questions about me. For what? That shit was closed years ago.

[A]

Well, it's open again.

[B]

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[A]

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