The Record Button

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Everything They Missed

Episode: The Record Button
Host: Stephanie Tinsley
Date: September 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, host Stephanie Tinsley peels back the layers of the unsolved 2007 murder of Danny Harris, a father and veteran, whose body went undiscovered in his Memphis apartment for two months. The episode delves into the police investigation, focusing on overlooked evidence, contradictory confessions, and the questionable practices of law enforcement. Tinsley scrutinizes how an initial suspect’s name—Wayne Bobo—spread rapidly, how a confession emerged under dubious circumstances, and why key forensic facts seemed to be ignored. The result is a chilling exploration of what happens when the details that should matter most instead slip through the cracks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene in Cordova (01:43–03:51)

• Tinsley and friends drive to Cordova, east of Memphis, where Harris was murdered.
• Elizabeth describes Cordova as “a white flight neighborhood... cookie cutter subdivisions” (01:43) and “the kind of place that wants you to believe nothing bad happens here” (02:07).
• The group finds Harris’s former apartment—ordinary, nondescript, with a stillness belying the violence that took place.
• Tinsley reveals, “He was dead in there for two months. Can you imagine?” (03:23), underscoring the community’s silence.

2. Tammy Vance and the First Leads (04:37–07:27)

• Tammy Vance (Harris’s girlfriend) becomes a central figure. Her interrogation tapes shape the initial investigation. Tinsley reads through her statements:
  • Tammy describes Harris’s decline, her prostitution at his apartment, and taking his possessions after his alleged death.
  • Tammy introduces Wayne Bobo as someone who had her trust and possibly a key to the apartment.
  • Detectives latch onto Wayne Bobo as a suspect, partly because “the old tube TV she stole... not something Tammy could have hauled off on her own... the scene itself, it was savage.” (06:58)

3. The Character of Tammy Vance (07:27–09:17)

• Elizabeth is blunt: “If somebody asked me to describe Tammy, I would say... Jabba the Hutt.” (08:28)
• Tinsley finds universal negativity from those who knew Tammy: “every single one... said the same thing. You’re not going to find anyone with something nice to say.” (08:53)
• The implication: Tammy’s story about Wayne Bobo “doesn’t just raise questions. It feels strange.” (08:59)

4. Sarah Lucas’s Statement (12:19–13:40)

• Sarah Lucas (Tammy’s daughter) is interrogated. A voice actor recreates her statement:
  • Admits knowledge of her mother’s prostitution and Harris enabling it for money (12:36).
  • Justifies Tammy’s possession of Harris’s truck and phone.
  • Mentions hearing Wayne Bobo in the background during a call (13:22).
• Sarah’s knowledge seems circumstantial, relying on what her mother told her.

5. Tammy and Sarah Jailhouse Call (14:30–16:46)

• A jail call transcript re-enacted by voice actors shows how Tammy and Sarah meticulously “corroborate” their stories:
  • Tammy: “Did you mention Wayne Bobo?” (15:57)
  • Sarah: “Yeah, I told them that I knew him. I didn’t lie to them about nothing.”
  • Tinsley flags the oddity of their language: “It doesn’t sound like fear or confusion. It sounds like Tammy’s strategizing.” (16:08)

6. Spotlight Shifts: Andrew Wayne Hayes (17:45–24:19)

• Detectives detain Andrew Wayne Hayes—coincidentally called “Wayne”—a young Black man living in the same household as Tammy after confusing leads about Wayne Bobo.
• Hayes claims ignorance of the case, but is interrogated for hours.
  • Hayes: “They treated me like I wasn’t even human... just like they wanted what they wanted, you know, they didn’t care what I had to say...” (23:06)
• Tinsley discovers key police interrogations were never recorded—the Tennessee law makes it optional.

7. Interrogation Tactics and False Confession (24:47–33:22)

• Hayes recounts 27 hours of pressure, threats, and feeding of facts:
  • They scream, accuse, and tell him he’ll never see his family again (29:57).
  • “If that’s what y’all wanna hear me that I did, okay, I did it... I was tired 27 hours.” (33:22)
• Notable flaws in Hayes’s forced confession:
  • Claims apartment is upstairs (it isn’t).
  • Details the wrong wounds (front vs. back of the head).
  • Wrong timeline (claimed murder happened two weeks prior—instead, body showed two months of decomposition).
• Tinsley is skeptical: “Why would he say any of this at all? So I asked him.”
• Hayes: “Let’s get it over with man, I’m tired. You know, sitting in the same spot for 27 hours. Anybody get tired?” (33:22)

8. The Domino Effect: Tammy’s Sudden Admission (34:02–34:30)

• Once Andrew confesses, detectives confront Tammy Vance again—she suddenly claims, “me and him did it together”.
• Tinsley notes: “the moment Andrew confesses, all of it disappears. Every other lead, every detail that doesn’t fit, gone.” (34:30)

9. Undermining the Closure: The Checkbook Fingerprints (35:40–36:08)

• After the confession, crime lab results come in:
  • “Fingerprints pulled from a checkbook found in Danny’s stolen truck... didn't match Danny, didn't match Tammy, didn't match Wayne Bobo, didn't match Andrew.” (35:40)
  • Tinsley asks, “So the question is, who do they belong to?”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He was dead in there for two months. Can you imagine?”
  —Stephanie Tinsley (03:23)
• “If somebody asked me to describe Tammy, I would say... Jabba the Hutt. That’s what I picture.”
  —Elizabeth (08:28)
• “I noticed that word ‘corroborated.’ It’s not how people talk...It sounds like Tammy’s strategizing.”
  —Stephanie Tinsley (16:08)
• “They treated me like I wasn’t even human, just to be honest with you. Talking about like a real piece of... just like they wanted what they wanted, you know, they didn’t care what I had to say...”
  —Andrew Wayne Hayes (23:06)
• “If that’s what y’all wanna hear me that I did, okay, I did it... I was tired. 27 hours. I was exhausted. I was tired. I was just ready to get it over with.”
  —Andrew Wayne Hayes (33:22)
• “He said Danny’s apartment was upstairs... but I've been there. There is no upstairs.”
  —Stephanie Tinsley (32:08)
• “Fingerprints pulled from a checkbook... didn't match Danny. They didn't match Tammy. They didn't match Wayne Bobo. And you know who else they didn't match? Andrew. So the question is, who do they belong to?”
  —Stephanie Tinsley (35:40)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 01:43–03:51: Setting the scene in Cordova and the discovery of Harris’s apartment.
• 04:37–07:27: Tammy Vance’s initial interrogation and the emergence of Wayne Bobo as a suspect.
• 12:19–13:40: Sarah Lucas’s statement and her view of the situation.
• 14:30–16:46: Jailhouse call between Tammy and Sarah introduces the idea of story-crafting.
• 17:45–23:06: Andrew Wayne Hayes is interrogated and his background revealed.
• 24:47–33:22: Description of his lengthy interrogation, confession, and contradictions.
• 34:02–34:30: Tammy Vance suddenly implicates herself and Andrew after his confession.
• 35:40–36:08: Breakthrough forensic result—fingerprints exclude all suspects.

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Tone and Style

Stephanie Tinsley narrates with a mix of skepticism, empathy, and investigative rigor. She’s openly critical of police tactics, meticulous about discrepancies in testimony, and intent on giving marginalized voices a platform. The tone is tense, questioning, and determined—never sentimental, but always deeply invested in uncovering the truth.

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Final Reflection

This episode exposes how a homicide investigation slipped into tunnel vision: how suspects were targeted not because evidence pointed to them, but because it was convenient; how confessions might be wrung from exhaustion rather than fact; and how key physical evidence—the fingerprints on the checkbook—remained an enigma. Tinsley’s careful, relentless retracing of the case leaves the listener wondering just how much was missed—and who really killed Danny Harris.

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Transcript

[Stephanie Tinsley]

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[Elizabeth]

So Cordova is sort of a white flight neighborhood.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's become a lot more diverse over time.

[Elizabeth]

And it's also, it's very cookie cutter subdivisions, not a lot of trees. And you live in Cordova if you're afraid of the city.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh, okay.

[Elizabeth]

That's how it is nowadays. Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Cordova has that quiet Southern charm. People expect kids riding bikes, front yards with garden flags, family barbecues under low oaks. You've got strip malls, churches, and a nothing Bundt cakes. It's the kind of place that wants to feel safe, wants to feel proud, wants you to believe nothing bad happens here. Yeah. So apartments, shopping strips, but upscale. Ish. This looks nicer than I thought it was gonna look.

[Elizabeth]

So those are the apartments?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Yeah. A mile off the main highway, we pull into an apartment complex. Rows of one and two story brick condo style homes, clean and tucked in tight. It almost feels like government housing, but slightly dressed up. There's not a soul on the porches. No one's walking a dog. No music, no voices, just stillness. Okay, here's 20, 35. Okay, so there's two. It's right there. So back up a little thing. We pull up to one with a little flower ornament hanging on the front door. New owners live here now. You'd never know what happened inside, but this, this is where Danny Harris was murdered. He was dead in there for two months. Can you imagine? Like his neighbor's? Not even. I mean, two months he was in there. So Tammy was his prostitute girlfriend, and he would let Tammy turn trips in here, in his house.

[Elizabeth]

Oh, my goodness.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

In places like this, people talk, always have. So when a man dies in his apartment and nobody notices, not for two whole months, you have to wonder what kept everyone quiet. Well, I've obtained the firsthand accounts of what happened next. And I can promise you what once was kept quiet won't stay that way anymore. I'm Stephanie Tinsley, and this is everything they missed. Episode two, the record button.

[Elizabeth]

Okay. Hey. Hey. Thanks for being able to jump on real quick. Oh, yeah, no problem. So we had a meeting this afternoon, and the whole reason behind the meeting was Wayne Bever. And I'm a little bit unsure about how his name came up.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Halloween 2007, interrogations began of anyone who may have crossed paths with Danny Harris. With all the records in front of me, I sent them to my friend Elizabeth to talk through it.

[Elizabeth]

Okay, hold on just one second. Give me two seconds to read. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take your time. Okay.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Take your time. Tammy Vance sat down with detectives around 5pm Waived her rights, and said she had nothing to hide. She told them Danny was in bad shape. The last time she saw him, back in June, he was distraught over his son, a cop, who had been shot in the face. Police already knew that, but they let her talk in talks she did, admitting that she'd prostituted in Danny's bedroom, taken him to bankruptcy appointments, and eventually dropped him at rehab after he beat her. Two days after that, she came back to his apartment with his truck and took his retirement check and TV with full confidence. She told them she hadn't been near his place since October 15, when she pulled another check from Danny's mailbox and cashed it for herself.

[Elizabeth]

Well, when you read Tammy's statement to Sergeant Mason that she gave on the 31st of October, you can see that Mason is leading, trying to see what Tammy has to say when they're like, well, when's the last time, you know, how did you come in and out of the apartment? And Tammy says, oh, well, you know, I have a key because I have the truck keys. And then Mason asks her about if she still had all the keys. And Tammy immediately said, oh, well, you know, there were two keys to the apartment on that key ring. And I did loan the truck to this guy, Wayne Bobo. When he gave me the truck keys back I did notice that there was a key to the apartment missing.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I can imagine detectives hooking into that name, Wayne Bobo. And suddenly the details of the crime start to shift. That old tube TV she stole, it was bulky, heavy, not something Tammy could have hauled off on her own. And the scene itself, it was savage. So whether they said it out loud or not, I bet the idea was already forming. Tammy didn't do this alone.

[Elizabeth]

Wayne Bobo was one of Tammy's regulars, according to Tammy. And that he would come over to Danny's house and that he started to not want to pay. And, you know, when people ask about Wayne Bobo, they say that he's just a crackhead.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Wayne Bobo was real. He was already in their system. A black man around Tammy's age who she'd once met in a rooming house. And if you're not familiar with the term, a rooming house isn't just a shared home. It's a chaotic makeshift shelter, usually tied to drugs, prostitution, overcrowded to the point that people hang up sheets to make fake walls. Just saying someone lived in one is enough to paint them as dangerous. So if Wayne had ever been in Danny's apartment, and if, as Tammy claimed, he'd stopped paying her for sex, a move which could have made things escalate, then maybe there was motive.

[Elizabeth]

So who. Who puts Wayne at Dani's apartment? Tammy. Yeah. I mean, if somebody asked me to describe Tammy, I would say, based on all the items I've read and all the interviews I've listened to, I would describe her as Jabba the Hutt. That's what I picture her as. How do we say that, though?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Trying to get a sense of her character, I started reaching out to people who knew Tammy Vance, and every single one of them, the ones willing to talk, said the same thing. You're not going to find anyone with something nice to say. So when I look at Tammy's story about Wayne Bobo, it doesn't just raise questions. It feels strange.

[Elizabeth]

I think what Tammy is trying to say is Wayne Bobo borrowed Danny's truck when Danny was stuck alive. And when he came back, one of the keys was gone. And then he came back and, unbeknownst to anybody else, murdered Danny. But then the follow up question to that should be, so you were living with Danny and then you just, like, decided not to go home one day? You know, it would have fallen apart.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Just days after supposedly dropping Danny off at rehab, Danny, Tammy moved into a new apartment with her daughter, Sarah Lucas. And while I can't confirm they ever asked I have to believe detectives were wondering the same thing. Why move out at all?

[Elizabeth]

I'm sure that some of that is so typical of these career petty criminals. I'm sure they get crazy answers and maybe the investigators just have become deaf to it and don't even wonder because half of what they're told doesn't make sense. But when you're investigating a murder, you have to wonder about those things.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Detectives were looking but hadn't found Wayne Bobo. And they didn't have much else to run with. So they did the only thing they could do. They brought in Tammy's daughter, Sarah. When did making plans get this complicated? It's time to streamline with WhatsApp, the secure messaging app that brings the whole group together. Use polls to settle dinner plans. Send event invites and pin messages so no one forgets mom 60th and never miss a meme or milestone. All protected with N2 and encryption. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Learn [e-mail] and Doug Limu and I always tell you to customize your car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. But now we want you to feel it. Cue the emu music.

[Elizabeth]

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[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Oh, come on.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of the trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool. Whatever. You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia Made to travel.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

When did you learn of Danny's death?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Just now, when you told me.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Detectives started with asking Sara Lucas about her mother and what she had to say. Well, we've had a voice actor recreate her statement.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

She used to have sex for money. She called it tricks. I call it prostitution. Danny told her that she had to turn tricks to make two to three hundred dollars. He needed that money for beer and cigarettes.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Detectives started laying down the hard questions. First, the truck. Danny's truck. Why did her mom have it?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

He gave her permission. He set forward to do whatever she had to do to take care of herself until he could get out.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Then the Cell phone. Why did her mom have that too?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

There were times when I was with her and it would ring, she would say it was one of her tricks and she didn't want to talk to them.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

And finally, what did she know about Wayne Bobo?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Tammy said that Wayne Bobo was getting bad about going over there a lot and that he wouldn't want to pay for tricks. I heard Wayne Bobo in the background over the phone one time while she was at Danny's house. He was talking to Danny.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

At 2am, Sarah walks out of the station and Wayne Bobo still hadn't been found. Detectives checked one of the known addresses for him. A halfway house called Lighthouse Ministries. They show up around 9:30, but he wasn't there. Hadn't checked in for some time. And the more they looked at Tammy's story, the more it started to hold water. A crackhead ex client, unpredictable, angry with access to the apartment. Whether Tammy was lying or not, Wayne Bobo looked like someone worth chasing. But by the morning, something else grabbed their attention. This is a prepaid call from an inmate at the county correctional facility. I've obtained the official transcripts of this jailhouse call and have had voice actors recreate it.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Hello?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Hey.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Hey.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

What are you doing?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Nothing. I could not sleep last night. I was at the police station until three in the morning.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

When Tammy was finally allowed this one call, she used it on her daughter.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

Yeah, they got me on a 48 hour hold, but I don't think they have anything, I mean, didn't do anything. So, you know. Did they ask a lot of questions?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Yeah, they asked a lot of questions and Mama, what is going on? They say he was brutally murdered.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

Yeah, that is what they said. And I told them I didn't even know he was dead, you know. And isn't that what you told him?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

It's worth noting the transcript actually says here there was a pause.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

I didn't know he was dead.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

I know. And they asking all kinds of questions about the truck and the TV and I guess somebody told him about the pistol and because they came back in last night and asked me and they said they were holding me for 48 hours and they had to either charge me for first degree murder or they had to let me go. And I said something about Ricky Echols and I don't know how that got there and I had told them about Wayne Bobo and all that. Did you mention Wayne Bobo?

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

Yeah, I told him that I knew him. I didn't lie to them about nothing.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

See, you corroborated what I'd said. So, you know, that pretty much did it.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I noticed that word corroborated. It's not how people talk. Not in the middle of a call like this. It doesn't sound like fear or confusion. It sounds like Tammy's strategizing. And maybe I'd think I'm being too skeptical if she hadn't said it again.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

And I was supposed to return the truck, but I didn't. And I was guilty of that for not returning the truck and using his money, so. But, you know, and I told him about Wayne Bobo coming to the apartment a couple of times and stuff like that. And I guess you corroborated my story.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

I told them the truth.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I mean, it's safe to assume Tammy and Sarah knew they were being recorded.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

And they tried to trip me up, but I told them the truth. I stuck to the story. So they're going to talk to other people. I told them everything. I didn't lie about anything.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

There's no record of what detectives thought about that call. No notes, no reaction. Which makes it all the more strange what happened next, because Sergeant Mason decided to circle back, back to someone they had already spoken to the day before. And I've been trying to figure out why. I've combed through the transcripts, retraced the steps, looked for some breadcrumb that might explain the shift, but the trail is just cold. So to understand what might have triggered it, we have to rewind back to day one, Halloween, when Tammy Vance is hauled into the station. And not long after, three others walk through the door. The same people she and her daughter had moved in with.

[Elizabeth]

So on Halloween, Tawana and Andrew and Snow got up to the police station. Andrew drives them up there.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Snow is the police informant, Chiuana is her daughter, and Andrew Hayes is Chiuana's boyfriend.

[Elizabeth]

Tawana and Andrew sat in the lobby while Mason took Snow to her desk to talk with her. The next thing that Mason says is that she talked to Andrew Hayes at her desk.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Andrew was a young black man who wasn't even asked to come in. He'd just given the women a ride and proceeded to wait in the lobby watching his one year old son. But when the sergeant learned he lived at the same house, she pulled him aside.

[Elizabeth]

When she started talking to him and saying, how much do you know about Tammy Vance? Andrew said that Tammy sold him a black cell phone at the end of August for $15, and he used it for about two and a half weeks because it ran out of minutes. And there was nothing else.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

This conversation was Short, unrecorded. And while this decision to question Andrew seemed innocent, what really caught my attention was what Sergeant Mason had written next to his name in the report. A single note, small, easy to miss.

[Elizabeth]

Mason says that she talked with Andrew Dwayne Hayes, AKA Wayne. So he sat there and talked with Mason, and this is her summary of their conversation, saying, yeah, it doesn't seem like he has any knowledge about anything, but I may have to call him back. And he was more than willing to come back in.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

After sitting on it overnight, Sergeant Mason has Andrew Wayne Hayes brought back to the station. The reason was because the name he went by police were chasing Wayne Bobo. But here was Andrew, who also went by Wayne. So was this a coincidence, or were they onto something? Can you hear me pretty good. So you. So you like to be called Andrew, right?

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Right. If anyone, you call me Andrew Wayne. It don't make no difference.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

What's your mama call you?

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Wayne.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Okay, what do you want me to call you in the podcast? Well, mannered the way a lot of Southern men are, Andrew Wayne Hayes called me ma' AM and Ms. Stephanie. He's older now, but back then he was just a kid in his early 20s, a new father. I reached out because I wanted to understand what he remembers about that day, November 2, 2007, and what really happened behind those closed doors. So when they brought you back into, was it like a small interrogation room or a small interview room?

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

And so then you knew it was serious. Believe me, I'd love to play Andrew's interrogation, but I can't because Tennessee law enforcement isn't required to record them. It's not law. It's a choice. While Tammy's interrogation was recorded, there's no clear reason why. So I took things a step further. I recalled that the TV series First the 48 may have been in production at the time, and I'd hoped that maybe, just maybe, they'd caught some of this investigation on tape. First 40 is actually a show that I created. Really? Yeah, back in 2004. So you're talking with the right person.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Who could help in whatever ways that you are.

[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

Were thinking about that I could be.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Of service to you.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I reached out to the creator, John Kim. Jon was generous with his time, and he put me in touch with a current producer. I asked if they had any footage related to Danny Harris case or if anyone on the show could speak on the record. Their reply? They couldn't give interviews. They cited contractual confidentiality. No comment on whether they had footage from those Critical interrogation days. And that's what's wild. A reality TV show might be sitting on tape that could clarify the most confusing parts of this case. But legally, they don't have to share a second of it. So do they have it? We may never know. And with no official record, all we're really left with is Andrew's word of what happened next.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

She was asking me, did I know anything about what was going on, have I heard anything about a murder that occurred. I was like, ma', am, I don't even know what you're talking about.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

At 1:50pm officers begin what seemed like a light, informal interview with Andrew. He told them the first time he met Tammy was when she showed up at his house with a TV in her truck and asked for help in loading it. But an hour and a half in, things shifted. Andrew was read his rights, waived them, and according to him, the questions got nasty.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

She was like, what do they call you on the streets? And I said, wayne. She was like, what do your mom call you? I said, my mom called me Wayne. She was like, you sure your name not Wayne Bobo? I'm like, I don't even know who that is, where I'm from, in the neighborhood. Everybody know me as Wayne. That's what I go by, everybody. I don't go by no other name but Wayne. So it's like when I got to telling her that my name is not Wayne Bo, it's like it made her upset, you know, she's got the stream like. So you're gonna sit here and tell us a bold face lie. You gonna sit here and lie in our face? She's already exposed you saying who you are. I'm like, who exposed me? Then she was like, tammy. I'm like, Tammy. She was like, tammy. I'm like, tammy, Tammy. She was like, Vance. I'm like, I don't even know no Tammy, man. She was like, yeah, the one that your mother in law moved to the house. And that's when it cleared that her two talking about Ms. Tammy, you know, I didn't even know her Last name was Ms. Fans until she told me. And it's just like I said, man. It's just they treated me like I wasn't even human, just to be honest with you. Talking about like a real piece of excuse. My friends, just like they wanted what they wanted, you know, they didn't care what I had to say about the situation or not. It just they wanted what they wanted.

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[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

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[Stephanie Tinsley]

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[Tammy Vance (voice actor)]

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[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

Cmintmobile.com Lt. Armstrong was like, we already know you hit him in the back of the head with the piping. I'm like, so y' all said I beat somebody in the death. So he was like, just tell us what you did. I was like, I have done shit. Y' all asking the same questions on we not going nowhere. We we still in the same spot. We not getting nowhere.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Again, there's no complete record of Andrew's interview, but according to him, detectives told him flat out, you did this. We know you did this. Now maybe that sounds like a convenient defense until you realize these same detectives have pulled this stump before.

[Elizabeth]

My biggest concern is that we get Mookie in here.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I want to make him comfortable.

[Sarah Lucas (voice actor)]

I want him to talk to me. I need him to talk to me.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

I really need a confession for Mookie. That's Sergeant Carolyn Mason heard on the first 48. Not working the facts but working the person the listen, we know what happened. Tell me the truth. Who shot Homer? They didn't know what happened. They were pressing for a confession. And it wasn't just Mason Mullins, another detective on the case was caught in heavy crossfire when his fellow officers were caught on a hot mic.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

We got everything. Did you see everything we had we.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Put on the great show. It didn't seem to bite too hard with DNA, though. This tape was uncovered by the Institute for Public Service Reporting in Memphis in 2020. Detectives, unaware they were being recorded after a grueling interrogation spoke freely. Mullins rebuked. He didn't seem to bite too hard on the DNA. To which his comrade replied, actually, he did. And before the tape cuts out, another officer makes a chance chilling remark.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

That shit is not recording. They press play. We go to the penitentiary.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

He said they pressed play and were going to the penitentiary, meaning if their interrogation tactics had been caught on tape, they'd be in serious trouble. So when Andrew claims the detectives begin to feed him details of the crime piece by piece, it's hard not to believe him.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

She was like, well, you know more than what you're telling me. I can't know more than what I'm telling you. I'm telling you, that's all I know. And she was like, well, we got her saying that you was with her. How she even said that? I don't even know her.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

He swears he had nothing to do with it over and over again, denial after denial. But then, four hours in, for some reason, he shifts the moment detectives had been waiting for. Andrew changes his story. He admits he went with Tammy to get the tv, but claims Danny Harris was already dead when they walked in.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

I believe that kids tried to scare me, to be honest, because I kept telling them the wrong person. They were like, you know, you killed that man and who you did this, did that. And I'm kind of keep telling y', all, I got the wrong person. I got the wrong person, grown person, old person. And it's like they didn't want to hear it. Only thing they wanted to hear was, okay, I did it. Once they heard got what they wanted, it was like everything cool, water was back, fine.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Then, according to Andrew, detectives kept pressing. They told him his fingerprints were in Danny Harris's bedroom. And so he shifted his story again through sobs. He began to say he played a role in the homicide. But there was a problem. Andrew couldn't describe the apartment. Not on the inside, not even the outside. So he says that's when detectives pulled out photos of the crime scene, studying his face for any flicker of recognition. And when there wasn't one, they didn't stop. Andrew says they told him they had proof he killed Danny and even eyewitnesses to back it up.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

At that time, I ain't know what to think to be sitting in an interrogation room with Three people with highly educated for hours and hours and hours just cussing and screaming at you, telling you that you. You ain't shit. You gonna tell them what they want to hear. You're not leaving. You're not gonna never see your family again.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

And when Andrew's telling me is he didn't give detectives the truth. He gave them what they wanted to hear.

[Jason Gishner]

He starts blaming everybody under the sun. He said something about Snow, right? So I'm sure she didn't want anything to do with any of this.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Again, this is attorney Jason Gishner, who spent countless hours piecing together what we can about these interrogations. What we know for certain is this. Snow, Andrew's housemate and mother of his girlfriend, is brought back to the station. Why? Because at this point, Andrew is pointing the finger at her, just as he did at several others before. But what detectives do with that accusation, it's almost unbelievable.

[Jason Gishner]

So they make a strategic decision to put her in front of him and watch that conversation to see if he'll continue to either blame her or make some admission himself. And she confronts him and say, what? Why would you say I had anything to do with this? I had nothing to do with this. And he loses his mind, hysterically crying. At this point, it is an entirely useless conversation because he is so traumatized and so upset that he's freaking out. He's crying, he's screaming at her, bring me home. Bring me home. That they abandon the whole strategy, send her on her way, and put him back in his cell, because he's literally just saying gibberish at this point and saying anything he can possibly think of to say to get out of there and go home.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

By now, detectives have enough to stick Andrew in a solitary cell for hours until they decide it's time for more.

[Jason Gishner]

And eventually, Andrew starts giving them the information that they want to hear. He's confessing to stuff that didn't happen, like killing somebody on the second floor of the apartment.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

After 27 hours, Andrew Wayne Hayes gave detectives what they'd been chasing, a confession. He said Danny's apartment was upstairs with three bedrooms. He described striking Danny seven to eight times in the back of the head with an iron pipe. He said Tammy threw bleach on his face and stuffed a towel in his mouth, and then he signed it. For detectives, it was the golden ticket. The case was closed. The killer was caught. But here's where I get hung up. Andrew said he killed Danny in the upstairs apartment, but I've been there. There is no upstairs. Andrew said that he struck Danny in the back of the head. But I've seen the medical records, and it clearly states Danny Harris was beaten in the front of the head. But the biggest discrepancy is that Andrew said he killed Danny two weeks ago. But we know for a fact his body had been decomposing for two months. So he confessed. But my question is this. Why would he say any of this at all? So I asked him.

[Andrew Wayne Hayes]

I'm not the smartest man in the world, but as me coming to their confession, like I told him, if that's what y' all want to hear me that I did, okay, I did it, Jessica, Just so I could just kill the interrogation, man, I was tired 27 hours. I was exhausted. I was tired. I was just ready to get it over with. It's like, okay, if y' all wanted me to say I did it, I did it, man. Let's get it over with, man, I'm tired. You know, sitting in the same spot for 27 hours. Anybody get tired?

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Andrew's confession didn't match the scene, not the layout, the wounds, the timeline of his death. But detectives took it anyway. They held it up as the answer they'd been chasing.

[Jason Gishner]

It is not until Andrew Hayes starts saying things that they would call a confession that they go back to Tammy Vance and say, hey, Andrew Hayes is in the other room saying, he did this. And now, for the very first time, Tammy Vance jumps on that and says, well, that's because me and him did it together. And she gives a statement that doesn't make any sense and says, look, I committed this crime with Andrew Hayes.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

Suddenly, for the first time, Tammy implicates Andrew and herself. This is the part that keeps me up at night because you have to think about how detectives got here. Danny Harris body is discovered and identified. Tammy's caught behind the wheel of his stolen truck. Danny's things turn up in the room she's renting with her daughter Sarah. On a jailhouse call, Tammy and Sarah can be heard corroborating. Detectives have a lead on another man, Wayne Bobo, who seemed to have motive and opportunity. And on top of all of that, they've got Andrew a confession. After 27 hours in a room with no recording that actually doesn't match the scene. And yet, the moment Andrew confesses, all of it disappears. Every other lead, every detail that doesn't fit, gone. Tammy changes her story to line up with Andrew's and the search for Wayne Bobo dropped. Detectives can finally tell their fellow officer, Chris Harris, we solved your father's murder. And For a moment, that was the story everyone believed. But just as they started to claim victory, a piece of evidence comes back to the crime lab. Fingerprints pulled from a checkbook found in Danny's stolen truck. They didn't match Danny. They didn't match Tammy. They didn't match Wayne Bobo. And you know who else they didn't match? Andrew. So the question is, who do they belong to?

[Elizabeth]

Foreign.

[Stephanie Tinsley]

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