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Ep. 346 – Top 5 Tips to Navigate the In-Between (aka The Magic Dark)
Hosts: Lacy Phillips & Jessica Gill
Date: March 14, 2025

Episode Overview

In this highly requested episode, hosts Lacy Phillips and Jessica Gill present a practical and soulful guide for navigating the “in-between” stage of manifestation, known in TBM lingo as “The Magic Dark.” This is the liminal space after a chapter closes but before the next manifestation appears—a period that can feel rocky, disorienting, and anxiety-provoking. Lacy and Jessica explain why this phase is not only normal but vital, and they share their top 5 actionable tips to move through it from a place of grounded authenticity and ultimately create real transformation.

Whether you’re experiencing a rut, a rock bottom, or the infamous “void,” this episode offers grounding tools, mindset reframes, and deep encouragement to view this time as magical and fertile for your most aligned desires to take form.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Defining the “Magic Dark” & The In-Between (05:37 – 11:53)

• The Magic Dark: The stage after doing inner work and passing “tests” but before the manifestation arrives; characterized by silence, discomfort, or a sense of “crickets.”

• Who experiences it: Those manifesting beyond their current sense of self-worth or undergoing a significant up-level.

• Other forms: Ruts, rock bottoms, or big life transitions can present similar feelings of emptiness or confusion.

• Quote – Lacy (06:50):
  “The magic dark is this space that you go into once you’ve been doing the work, you’ve been passing the test, and all of the sudden there’s crickets.”

• The 2025 Energy: Lacy discusses current energetic shifts, channeling that this is a year of “rapid stripping,” which is leading many into a liminal space.

• Alchemical Opportunity: The void is where pressures create diamonds—a time for transformation over comfort.

2. The Top 5 Tips to Navigate the In-Between

Tip 1: Regulate Your Nervous System (11:53 – 17:20)

• Why: Discomfort in the liminal phase can lead to dysregulation and impulsive actions that aren’t from authenticity.
• How: Use somatic tools, calming Deep Imaginings (DI’s), breathwork, and grounding practices. Step away from stimulants (social media, sugar, noise). Validate your emotions—don’t suppress them.
• Resources: “Safety DI” (available free for non-members); “Pockets of Safety” episode.
• Quote – Lacy (13:46):
  “Anytime you’re freaking out…you’re not in control or the driver’s seat of your magnetism or manifestation.”
• Quote – Jessica (17:20):
  “Don’t gaslight yourself...give your anger, fear, discomfort a seat at the table.”

Tip 2: Reframe – Move from Fear to Faith (17:20 – 23:33)

• Shift your mindset: See the in-between not as abandonment or punishment, but as a necessary void full of potential.
• Practical tools: Use “Worst Case Scenario DI” or journaling to face and disarm your fears.
• Inspirational Quote – Jessica (17:20):
  “Faith and fear both demand you believe in something you cannot see. You choose.” (attributed to Bob Proctor)
• Lacy’s perspective: Sometimes, the deepest growth comes from sitting at this edge of discomfort—don’t rush past it.
• Neuroscience Insight: When you journal or speak your fears aloud, you bring “completion” to the mental loop and reduce anxiety.

Tip 3: Reconnect with Authenticity & Listen for Pings (23:33 – 31:48)

• Tap into intuition: The space beyond fear is ripe for “pings” (intuitive hits nudging you to act or investigate).
• Action: Even small steps toward pings build trust and usher in clarity.
• Tools: TBM’s Authenticity Challenge, Pings DI.
• Quote – Jessica (23:35):
  “Our pings are like a communication portal between us and the universe… even if they’re subtle, they will be there, guiding your next step.”
• Real-life ping example: Jessica describes being drawn to a different coffee shop and receiving affirming, synchronistic messages about her next chapter.

Tip 4: Don’t Ignore Your Subconscious (31:48 – 36:11)

• Old beliefs surface here: The liminal space naturally brings up subconscious fears and outdated stories—don’t run from them.
• Methods: Use DI’s, journaling, or simply give your feelings space to air out.
• Quote – Jessica (31:52):
  “When you’re in this liminal space, the fears, the subconscious limiting beliefs…will naturally bubble up.”
• Lacy adds: Simply recognizing and naming these fears or journaling “why, why, why?” can have a powerful effect.
• It’s easier than you think: Jessica notes it’s often much less difficult to move through these fears than our mind anticipates (35:00).

Tip 5: Fall In Love with Life Again (39:18 – 47:42)

• Root in presence: Rediscover what lights you up in your daily world—nature, rituals, hobbies, curiosity, small joys.
• Not distraction, but inspiration: Engage with life not to escape, but to deepen your authenticity and fill your well of magnetism.
• Quotes:
  • Lacy (39:58): “I’m gonna fall in love with the shit that I love the most… things that have always lit me up.”
  • Jessica (42:59): “My favorite pastime…sitting meditation of watching the light, watching things move through…and the amount of downloads that come through.”
• Falling in love with presence: This is the real “magic” of the dark—like a seed germinating before sprouting.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lacy (06:50):
  “The magic dark is this space you go into once you’ve been doing the work, you’ve been passing the test, and all of the sudden there’s crickets.”

• Jessica (17:20):
  “Don’t gaslight yourself...your experience is very challenging in this moment. And how you move through the challenging is you say, okay, let me sit with that sensation.”

• Lacy (13:46):
  “I’m not in the driver’s seat of my magnetism or manifestation in any way when I’m in that space.”

• Bob Proctor quote via Jessica (17:20):
  “Faith and fear both demand you believe in something you cannot see. You choose.”

• Lacy (25:36):
  “The only reason the universe is dancing with us is to get us back into that whole, authenticated state.”

• Jessica (23:35):
  “Pings are like little messages from the universe—they guide even if you can’t see the map ahead.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 02:34 | Introductions & Episode Framing
• 05:37 – 11:53 | What is the Magic Dark/In-Between Phase
• 11:53 – 17:20 | Tip 1: Regulate Your Nervous System
• 17:20 – 23:33 | Tip 2: Reframe – Move from Fear to Faith
• 23:33 – 31:48 | Tip 3: Reconnect with Authenticity & Listen for Pings
• 31:48 – 36:11 | Tip 4: Don’t Ignore Your Subconscious
• 39:18 – 47:42 | Tip 5: Fall in Love with Life Again
• 47:42 – 49:52 | Full Recap of All Five Tips
• 49:52 – End | Closing Thoughts, Free Resources, Playlists

Recap: The Five Tips to Navigate The Magic Dark (47:42 – 49:52)

1. Regulate:
   Ground and calm your nervous system before taking any action; use DI’s, nature, and reduce stimulation.

2. Reframe:
   Shift from fear to faith. Use tools like the “Worst Case Scenario DI” and journaling to rewire and reclaim your power.

3. Reconnect with Authenticity & Pings:
   Come home to your true self and pay attention to intuitive pings; trust and follow even subtle nudges.

4. Don’t Ignore Your Subconscious:
   Gently face whatever fears, limiting beliefs, or discomforts arise. Journaling, DI’s, and simple awareness are enough.

5. Fall in Love with Life Again:
   Rediscover joy and meaning in daily acts and passions—the present moment is where your authentic magnetism grows.

Final Wisdom

“It’s not just the darkness before the dawn. I named it the Magic Dark because it’s actually such a magical space…like a seed sprouting quietly before breaking through the ground.”
– Lacy Phillips (50:26)

Key Resources Mentioned

• Safety DI: Free for non-members (link in show notes)
• Deep Imagining Playlists: Curated for in-between/magic dark phases
• Authenticity Challenge: Workshop for reconnecting to true self
• Worst Case Scenario DI & Journal Prompts: Tools for reframing fear

Tone & Takeaway

Warm, supportive, authentic, and practical. Both hosts model vulnerability around being in the “in-between” themselves, remind listeners everyone enters this phase, and empower you to see it as fertile ground, not failure. You’ll finish with actionable resources and a mindset that reframes the void as a sacred, transformative experience.