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Ep. 379 - Mediumship, Manifestation, and Unlocking Your Intuitive Gifts with Medium Karen McGowan
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What if you stopped doubting your gifts and started letting them lead? If you’ve ever felt a message come through a dream, sensed a shift when you walked into a room, or just *knew* something you “shouldn’t,” your intuition might be stronger than you think. In this episode, Lacy and Jessica sit down with medium and energetic clearer Karen McGowan (aka Lacy’s mom!) for a no-gatekeeping conversation on what it really means to live with spiritual gifts. Karen shares it all — from her first spirit visit as a child to the symbols she’s learned to trust and the way she clears heavy energy from people and spaces. You’ll learn how she protects her energy, stays grounded while tapping into her psychic abilities, and bridges the spiritual with the practical. As the veil thins ahead of Halloween, we explore the magic of Samhain, ancestral connection, and the power of spiritual sovereignty. This episode is your reminder to trust what you feel, set energetic boundaries like a badass, and s...
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Jessica
So Lacey sawing Halloween, it's just such a potent time to really ground in and get clear on your manifestation practice.
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Lacey Hull
When the veil is thin and we are so closely connected to spirit, I think it is our ancestors coming through, reconnecting us with what actually matters in life.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
What does it mean when people say the veil is thin? Have you ever felt a spirit in the room? Have you ever felt like you were connecting with spirits? Have you ever gotten a psychic session? Are you curious about developing your own psychic gifts? In today's episode, Lacy and I are going to dive into the rituals of Salween and Halloween and how we are integrating them from a place of authenticity. Even holidays can have programming. So what is our authentic way that we want to express various holidays and traditions and cultural norms? We are also honored to have on for the very first time, Lacy's mom, Karen. Karen is a very gifted medium who has been harnessing and working with this gift for many years. She's excellent at helping people clear the energy. She actually cleared the energy for our New York City speaking tour before we entered the room and called in angels and positive energy just holding, cocooning us in that space. And we're gonna get to hear from her how she started to recognize her gifts coming, how she sets boundaries with spirits, how she clears her own energy. And any advice for someone who is starting to learn about their own gifts for the first time. That was a huge theme that came up at the New York City speaking tour was a lot of people asking about harnessing or learning about their gifts if they had them. And one way even that I've been feeling called to it is especially since we had that episode with Dr. Tara. The signs, the synchronicities, and then listening to the pings or the ideas that kind of come through and really trusting them, it's creating more trust and secure confidence within myself. The more I'm able to listen to those ideas or pings and know and feel that I'm being guided by something more than just myself. So I'm curious if you guys are having that experience with signs, synchronicities, psychic gifts, feelings into that as well. I wanna thank everyone for coming to our New York City speaking tour. Guys, the energy in the room was unbelievable. I feel like everyone in that room got the call or ping to get a message that was divinely meant for them there. I got messages. People were buying flights the night before.
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Jessica
They're like, I got the ping. I have to come.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
They figured out a way to get there and they got even just the beginnings of something major for them or they got something major for them in their lives in that room. I cannot wait to bring that energy.
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Jessica
To Austin and in LA as well.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
It's really this first kickoff of expansion before we dive into all of the deeper TBM work and the manifestation process this fall. And I want to give a big shout out to all of our New York City sponsors to Lacey Hull, our event producer, Bon Charge Alexis Smart, for gifting beautiful, unblocking, expanding products for us. It was just so magical. It was just so magical. And it was so incredible to connect with you guys in real person. I even felt so expanded hearing so many of your stories of how you manifest and got more into alignment, especially.
- [03:34]
Jessica
Over the past year.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Despite how much stripping and transformation and change people are manifesting rapidly, they're connecting to self even deeper. And even if they are experiencing that stripping, they're able to navigate it with ease. That is our whole goal of setting you guys up and connecting with you this fall. Walking and holding your hand as a community. The very next step on the journey. If you can't make the speaking tour in Austin or la, which we still have tickets to, both is our book club that is kicking off next Wednesday, November 5th at 10:30am It'll be a live call with Lacy and I. There'll be three weeks of it Wednesday, same time. And this is the first time Lacy and I are going through the steps of how to Manifest. It is completely free to join. So whether you're someone that just bought the book, whether you are a pathway member, whether you're returning pathway member, whether you've just been listening to the podcast or you're like, I'm just going to send this to a friend because they need to know this work. This is the perfect place to start. We're going to be crafting our list next week. We're going to make our authentic code. I really feel like mine is going to change.
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Jessica
It's just a gut feeling.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
So I'm so excited to see what unveils there. But this is where we set the foundation. We put the actual steps from how to Manifest into practice. And then you can ask Lacy and I questions on each section in real time as we're going through the book or the how to Manifest workshop. If you're going through that way and it is priming us and preparing us to get very intentional, coming from a place of authenticity, getting clear on our purpose in this season of life. What has all the stripping been about? What has all the challenges been about? And it is going to become that North Star. So when we kick off our end of Year challenge in December, we can really unblock and reclaim all of our magic gifts, essence that we need to support us as we step into this next year. This is where manifestations come with ease. Surrender comes with ease. There isn't that.
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Jessica
Push, pull.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
There isn't this. My manifestation's on a pedestal and I'm not good enough until I'm here. This is full embodied worthiness. And when we can connect with that, anything is possible. So come join us. Book club is starting next week. End of Year challenge is starting in December. Check out our roadmap to see how we're going to guide you along each.
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Jessica
Step of the way.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
I'll be sharing more on the podcast, but I just feel like the message that keeps coming through to me is like, now is the time. Now is the time. No more settling for the places that we have before. No more allowing the things into our world and into our orbit that just aren't a hundred percent filling us up anymore. We don't have time to waste. There is a bigger calling at play here, and we're all a part of it. We all have a gigantic purpose. And I can't wait for you guys to connect deeper with yours. Okay, without further ado, let's jump into the episode. And now a word from our partners. I don't know about you, but maybe it's because we're getting into the chillier months, or maybe it's just that time of year where there's so much going on. But I have been craving stillness, gentle ritual, slow practices that bring me back into the present. That's why when I heard Anima Mundi was launching a set of ritual candles, I could not be more excited. They are launching five signature candles to start each. Handcrafted organic beeswax and pure soy. All natural dyes, toxin free, sustainably sourced, and all vibrant colors with spellbinding energy designed to elevate altar or ritual space. Each one crafted with a different intention. One for creativity, self love, intuition, protection and prosperity. And each one is covered in a special blend of herbs and flowers to enhance each of the themes. Things like mugwort, lavender, blue lotus, hibiscus, rose petals or lemon balm. I cannot wait to pair these with my TBM practice. So as we kick off and head into the book club and the End of Year challenge, every time I go to do my TBM work each week, I am lighting one of these candles, setting an intention and knowing that I am Calling in and manifesting with this towards my highest good. It feels like the best way to just set the energy, the intention of the space before I dive into all of this healing work and all of this alchemy work that we're going to jump into this season with tbm, you can even set the candle before you have a journaling session or you're going to do some big creative project, or if you're tapping in more to your psychic or intuitive gifts, light the candle as that intention, that north star, that guiding light to be in the space with you. If you are getting the ping to create more of an altar or a ritual for yourself to slow down this season, I highly recommend checking out the ritual candles. You can go to animamundiherbals.com and use the code TBMALCAPS20 for 20% off your purchase. Again, that is TBM20ALL CAPS for 20% off your purchase. Or check out the link in the show notes. And now onto the episode.
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Jessica
So, Lacy saw Halloween. How do you celebrate? How do you honor? What traditions are you crafting as a family? I feel like you've really expanded me and in you had a ritual before I even joined the team. And it was just like a little PDF and it was like a couple of bullet points of something you were doing for Salween. And I was like, what is Salween? I don't even know what this is. I need to look into this. And I remember I set like a whole ritual up in my like, tiny apartment living room with like all my grandma's old stuff. And I was like, lighting candles. Daniel's like, what on earth are you doing? I'm like, we're calling in my ancestors, like, come in here. But there was just so many practices that like, I hadn't really heard or dove into and saw. And I feel like you're such an expander for so many and bringing these rituals back to the surface. So how are you celebrating them? How are you learning about them, integrating them? All of those things?
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Lacey Hull
Yeah. The first thing I want to acknowledge is that every single community around the world, culturally, regardless of what cultural background you come from, celebrated some form of ancestral connection. So pre Christianity, pre colonial missionary ism, around the world, everybody had some form of the celebration. You have Day of the Dead, this Celtic tradition, which is what I. It's my heritage, it's what I celebrate, the Samhain. It's just every single culture has had this. And I encourage people, whatever you're culturally identifying with in this lifetime, to really connect to those roots. It's so much more rich and deep and spiritually tied to the seasons and the wheel than anything that every form of religion really introduced which tended to pull from these older rituals and practices. And so this one in particular I'm actually loving so much in this season of life with children because it's this, you know, it's this conversation with a one year old and a four and a half year old of like, what are we introducing to them for this holiday? And this has always been my favorite holiday since I was a child. And it didn't have anything to do with the candy. There was something so seasonal about it. The darkness of it, the autumn energy, that fire connection, the food connection. My aunt made this really special when we were growing up. Her house, which is one of the, you know, four homes I lived at in one week growing up because I had four, you know, four of my family members caring for me growing up. But her house was the communal home always. And I remember it's like where my uncle and my father would come and they would decorate the outside of the house, you know, in the traditional Halloween fashion. And they would then become like the most in character impressive people in front of the house that would like, you know, stuff their clothes and then they would be the ones to fright people. And it was like the house everyone talked about. And you know, my aunt or my uncle would make a huge thing of chili and all the friends would be coming through and eating there. And it was the communal spot people met at in the neighborhood. So it was always really, really special to us. I even remember even recently trying to find old 70s Scooby Doos that really.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
Felt old Halloween to me.
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Lacey Hull
But it wasn't so much, you know, the characters and whatnot. It was that they always were recreating sort of that New England, misty lighthousey thing. I tend to follow coastal, you know, spooky energy. And that's what I follow. Obviously, you know, manifesting Mendocino seeking after Scotland. Anyway, the question or the conversation comes back to what am I wanting to introduce to my family and my children now that I've gone from maiden to mother and sol n is such a beautiful tradition for them. So this year and our house is this house right now that my aunt had. It is the communal community place that everybody joins at and comes to. And so we're going to be throwing a sawin party. And here where we live in the Santa Monica mountains, there's only one road that kids actually trick or treat at. But if we create this ritual, this festival, this gathering, at least it's an anchor every year as a family to come back to in these ancestral memories and connection and conversations. And so basically we're hosting a sawhyn where we are going to have my friend Griffin of cabin corn, many of you probably follow him. He's going to be making this like insane traditional Italian soup inside of the pumpkin itself. And he's going to make the traditional braided noodles that go in it. It's really special. And, and we're going to have candle dipping for the children. The alpacas will be free and the chickens will be free. And basically we, it's. We're calling it a Samhain harvest dinner. And so everybody's going, there'll be a beautiful table with all the candles and everybody's going to bring a photo of their ancestors and a dessert from their ancestral background. And basically the beauty of Samhain as, you know, a Celtic festival. It's where it was honoring this liminal space where it's. The veil is very, very thin and you're very connected with the ancestral, with the transition side. And so it's this place where we can really teach the children. My daughter asks, well, who was granny's mama? Like, she doesn't know this stuff. So we're bringing out the photos, we're bringing out the different heirlooms, we're putting them on the table. We're setting the table for the departed ancestors and honoring them and teaching the children this beautiful tradition and this practice. It was also the new year too. It was the Celtic festival of the new year as the, you know, the wheel turns. So, yeah, it's going to be this really special moment for them as they're growing up that we always can come back to. That wasn't just the commercialism of candy and dressing up. And in our house, we don't do like wild costume stuff. It's just like grab whatever's in the dress up bin. We just don't get into the commercialism. So, yeah, for anybody who's really wanting to practice out there, I really encourage you. I'll have, definitely have a substack on this. But to really look into what is your ancestral tradition around this, because I guarantee that you have one. Prior to any form of colonialism, you had something that you practiced and it's probably really beautiful. What about you, Jessica?
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
I love the intention of it.
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Jessica
You know, like, everything feels so intentional and nourishing. And I think the commercialization of, of Halloween is like spooky and scary and all of these things.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
And I'm like, I don't want to feel spooky and scary.
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Jessica
I want to feel, like, excited and, like, with the season and, like, tapped into the veil versus a fresh afraid of it. So everything you're saying, like, so resonates. And it's funny. The past few years, I've always been, like, obsessed with all holidays. Like, I love decorating ever since I was a kid. I love, you know, setting everything up. And the past few years with Halloween, I'm like, there's not really decorations that feel true. So I've been getting, like, old witches brooms and putting them around the house or, like, pumpkins. Like, some things that feel more natural, if that makes sense, and not, you know, the big plastic stuff. Even though that's beautiful and cool, when I see it on people's lawns, like, I'm like, wow, that's fun. But for us, it just hasn't felt right.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
But it's funny.
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Jessica
Ever since moving into our new home, they throw an annual Halloween block party. And everyone in the neighborhood, it's a potluck. You come and bring, like, your favorite dish. They go all out on the decorations, but everything's outside, like, in their cul de sac. And everyone brings food. And we went last year, literally not knowing any of our neighbors. And everyone was so welcoming and so love. And there's so many kids and dogs. So that kind of stuff. I'm like, oh, it's like the community aspect. And it's funny because growing up, I lived on a road kind of in the sticks on the side of our town, so we didn't have, like, sidewalks to friends or anything.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
And when I would go trick or.
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Jessica
Treating, especially before my sister was born, I was the only kid anywhere around, like, within 10 houses. So my dad would put on, like, spooky music playing out the back speakers of the house, and. And then we would go trick or treating. And all of the people, like, all of our neighbors, knew that, like, I was the only kid that was going to come by. So they get me, like, huge candy bars. But it was, like, for me, because they knew no one else was coming. Oh, and then we would go to my grandma, who had, like, a more traditional house with all the neighborhood kids and sidewalks and all the chaos and stuff. But it was so funny because I was like, I kind of liked having this interaction one on one with the neighbors because we would, like, sit at their house for a few minutes and talk to them and all of that. So there's something with community around this season, I feel like is coming through for me and, like, wanting to reclaim a little bit more of that.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
But.
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Lacey Hull
Yeah, well, that's. That's sort of the. The peace that I think we're all craving. And, you know, I celebrate a lot of pagan holidays, but for the most part, people were coming together in these moments to celebrate either the light or the darkness coming or the harvest. And they were coming together with cider, and they were coming together with food and dancing and just incredible connection. And I do believe in the commercialism and all the adaptations that have happened from these purest forms of celebration have kind of disassembled that connection, you know, that we're all craving. And so, yeah, even the way that we decorate our house during this time, it's like I have like, a cornucopia of just all of the fruits and, you know, all the different squashes just, like, overflowing on our counters with pomegranates and figs and candles everywhere. And it just feels like the ultimate harvest in abundance everywhere in this warmth and light. And I love that you're feeling that pull towards brooms. You know, it is the season of weaving, weaving baskets. It's. And, you know, that's something again, culturally, every single person in the history of time made their own brooms, made their own baskets. They needed these things as necessity. It was also the time that things went from outdoor crafts or needs into, like, hearth work, you know, and so this is when you were, like, knitting and weaving and spinning. So there is this. This warmth and this rotation and weaving and connection that I think is cellular in us, you know, and when the veil is thin and we are so closely connected to spirit, I think it is our ancestors coming through, reconnecting us with whatever actually matters in life, you know, like the purest tangible forms. So I love that you're having that pull. And the closer you guys get to marriage and family, I bet it will only get stronger.
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Jessica
100. I know once kids are in the picture, it's going to be a lot of rituals and traditions and, like, setting all of that stuff up. We're starting to try to do it with Theo, but it doesn't quite land the same. He's like, I don't care.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
We did.
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Jessica
We actually did as a community. We went over to our. Our neighbors, and they hosted, like, a pumpkin carving, and we laid tables out and whatever. And we're like, theo. And he's like, I want to eat the pumpkin. Like, I don't care about Your carving, like, I don't want to take a picture with it. I just want to eat your pumpkin.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Oh, my gosh.
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Lacey Hull
Sweet Theo. But he's probably so grateful that he's included.
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Jessica
He is. And he gets to play with the neighborhood dogs, which are his best friends. So he's good.
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Lacey Hull
It's so beautiful that you found a neighborhood that you get to. I mean, isn't that incredible?
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Jessica
Unbelievable. I'm just like, how everyone needs to connect with their neighbors. I'm just like, it's so important. It just makes such a big difference. This kind of tees us up into.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
The end of the year and the.
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Jessica
Magic that we're connecting on from sawing into literally the holiday season to the new year, all of the things. Because I think it's such a potent time. There's a childhood medium I follow on Tick Tock. And he was talking about how, well, the reason the holidays feel so good is because everyone is primed to be in, like, such a positive mindset. Like, they. They're excited to give gifts, they're excited for the holidays to come. And when collectively we're all excited or primed for joy, it lifts the entire vibration of the planet at that time. So more miracles can happen and more things can be discovered. So thinking about this time, really, from now until the new year of tapping into that magic and joining along and setting your intention and connecting with your own magic, with. We'll talk more about the end of your challenge. We're going to be doing a lot.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Of that, but I think it's just.
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Jessica
Such a potent time to really ground in and get clear on your manifestation practice through this lens of reconnection.
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Lacey Hull
I agree. And I think, yeah, I think even as a brand, we have a really cool roadmap of that that's happening. I love what that kid said, and I love that he's able to tap into that and be so intelligent, you know, spiritually. It's such. How old is he?
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Like seven or eight.
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Jessica
I have to send you his page. I'm, like, down a rabbit hole. I'm like, what? He's like, he basically knows all of the information. He's like, channeling from beyond. It's wild.
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Lacey Hull
How incredible. But I do believe that, you know, in this. I keep talking about the year of stripping, but I. I think so much stripping is going to be coming in ways we're not even aware of how that's going to affect, like, in government and. And systems and scaffolding of society, of. Of what has been normal, which I Think a lot of that's coming, that's going to just, just be shifting and reorganizing. And the thing that I've been hearing collectively from the seers, I know strong in my community that the more of us are in that state of being, not contrived but like in tbm, integrating, doing the work to become more integrated, positive individuals, the more that we can shift the intense stripping, we can dial down how intense the stripping will feel, kind of that the light can help counterbalance how intense that's all gonna feel. So less of an earthquake and more of a gentle arc and shift. So I think that that's really beautiful that he's tapping into that about what these seasonal things do to us when we are in community, when we are in reverence, when we are in ritual. That's what we're supposed to be. It was, it was completely broken up. You know, we lost that as villages, as societies, as different communities. I think there is a very big reckoning and call as well to recreate that and be in that again. That's why neighbors feel so good to you. It's a village. We're meant to live in village, you know, and the village atmosphere and, and with family. So. So yeah, I think that's really special.
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Jessica
Well, I think just setting the intention for everyone to, however you choose to celebrate any of the holidays coming up this season, just tapping into what feels correct for you and what traditions and rituals you want to start making in your home or your family or any of the things. I mean, I even remember when I was like single, living alone, I would do little Halloween rituals with myself and like light the candles and do all this stuff. So what are those little things that.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
You, you could start doing now too?
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Lacey Hull
Yeah, absolutely.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah.
- [24:59]
Lacey Hull
Be connected.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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Jessica
I can make a full dinner.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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- [27:33]
Jessica
We're so excited to have you here. The community is so excited to have you here. Okay, so I want to kick off and then we'll jump into what was channeling through for you yesterday. But describe to people you know. Lacey's talked about your mediumship and how that has come through so strong for you in so many different ways and all of these gifts and how Lacy comes through for her. How do you feel that gifts really like channels through you and feels for you as it's coming through, especially to audience members who aren't as familiar with this gift or psychic gifts or intuitive gifts.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
So I see in my mind's eye I'll see a person or they'll show me what they want to show me. And then they'll either show me like symbols, I'll hear them speak or they'll just pop stuff in my head. So it kind of comes in different ways.
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Lacey Hull
So it means that you're clair cognizant, clairvoyant, clairsentient. I think you have most of the Claire's very strongly because they choose to communicate to you in all of the ways and your dreams as well.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah. And a lot of times, symbols. They'll show me symbols. I've had to learn different symbols through the years because at first it's like, what in the world? What are you trying to do to tell me? And then through time, of course, I know the different symbols and why they're showing me.
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Jessica
Do you remember having the gifts when you were super young, and were you afraid of them? Like, how did you relate to them at that age?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Well, when I was really young, I remember a spirit coming, sitting on the end of my bed, and I was so scared. I was basically paralyzed for fear until. And I just prayed and prayed, like, please go away.
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Lacey Hull
Please go away.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Please go away. And I had nobody to talk to because when I did talk to my mom about it, she was very religious and would just tell me, you can't do that. That's bad. You can't do that. Even though I know she had gifts herself.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Wow.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah. I honestly feel I'd probably be a lot stronger today had I had somebody to mentor me and kind of work with me through the years instead of kind of having to just go on my own and try and figure it out.
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Jessica
And at what point did you feel like you had support or you could start to lean into them more and not be so afraid of them?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
As I got a little bit older and, well, different things. And one thing I started to notice, and I'm going to tell you one of the symbols, because this is kind of where it kicked off, where I really started paying attention, thinking, hmm, you know, there's something going on here. I was, I don't know, young adult, maybe teenager, and this McDonald's game was going on. You know, they give you little tickets, and you'd win, like, $10,000. I mean, they had some big prizes. Well, I kept having this dream that I was at the beach, and I was digging. There was a little bit of money. And then I dig, and there's more money, more money, more money. And so now that's my sign for money that, you know money's coming. And that being said, I had a ticket that was a winning ticket, but I thought you had to have more than one to win, but you didn't. I threw the ticket away, and it was worth $10,000. So that's when I was like, okay, time to start listening to my guides or, you know, what's coming through.
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Jessica
Lacey was talking about this, too, but how one of Your really strong gifts is this ability to clear and connect. And when we talk about the veil being thin, what does that mean? How do you see that playing out? And how do we. For those people who are really, I think so many people are intuitive. They're just really afraid to lean in or open up in any way.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
And.
- [30:50]
Jessica
And if they do, what happens if they let these spirits in? And could bad things happen?
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
How do you go about protecting yourself.
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Jessica
And all of those things as well?
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Lacey Hull
Well, I think even before we dig into that, let's educate people who are listening for the very first time. And they're like, okay, we hear about ghosts, we hear about spirits, we hear. What the fuck is that? How does that even show up? Who are these things showing up? You see them, they're around you. They communicate to you. So for somebody who can sense things around or curious or your company that you, your business, you clear people, that's your gift. You clear them from these attached spirits. Let's talk about what. How does that show up and what are they?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
There's so many different things. You can have past life attachments that are still really bothering you. You can have just a random spirit that whatever reason is still around. You could just have muck in your aura that you got from other people, other people's energy. There's so many different things. One easy thing that you can do and something I do, just like, if something's bothering me, I'll wake up and I'll feel something around. I just sit up and imagine my aura and then I imagine just clearing it, cutting all ties around my whole aura, send them back to where they came from. And then I imagine I have a zipper around my whole aura. Zip it up so nothing can penetrate it.
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Lacey Hull
It.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
And that does help me. So how.
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Jessica
How do you guys see this concept of the veil? We're physical beings on this planet. You know, we can touch, feel, whatever. And this is maybe my very analytical human mind. But I'm like, how can we contextualize the spirits? Are they all in the same realm? Are they in between crossing over? Are they in, like a holding pattern before they cross over? Have they fully crossed over? Like, what does that look like?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Well, I feel some are earthbound for whatever reason, maybe crossed over too quickly, think they still have something to do here on Earth. You can usually feel like the people that have crossed over that are connecting, they're like usually higher vibrational. You can just feel a more mellow to them, a happiness. So, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's Many dimensions. And I think whatever their experience was and how they passed and that's. They kind of end up where they end up.
- [33:00]
Jessica
I like that concept, though, the different dimensions, because I've heard that, too, from other psychics where certain. Like, Lacy, you were even saying that when you were connecting with Tara's husband, like, how any ego attachments or anything he would have had in this life is just. It's just purity. How do you feel that, Lacy?
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Lacey Hull
Well, it's interesting because after, you know, he came through on that episode with Dr. Tara, I could only see what he was showing me of himself, really. So I could only see that he was. He was showing me that he was tall and that he's, like, very gentle and kind. So I wasn't worried about it. And I instantly knew who he was. Like, he made himself known that he was Dr. Tara's late husband, who I'd never seen or met. And it was interesting because just this last Saturday, you sent me a photo of him, a screenshot that she had as him in her background. And you forward, you know, say she's her saying thank you for that episode and sharing that message. And it was so interesting to actually see his photo, because what I could sense and what he would show me of himself was nothing. It just didn't have any human energy to it. Right. Like, there was no humility or ego or all this stuff that we build up as human. It was like his essence. He was just showing me his purest essence.
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Jessica
Well, it's just like opening my mind in such a big way, too, of, like, how to understand all of it. Because I think, at least in my mind, I'm like, okay, there's angels and then there's people who have crossed over and there's ancestors. But then thinking, of course there's so many different dimensions, there's so many different planets. Of course, we can assume that there's.
- [34:36]
Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
More entities, more beings, things we can't see.
- [34:39]
Jessica
There's a world building in my head of what this can all kind of feel like and look like.
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Lacey Hull
Well, what I'm curious about is, when you're clearing a person, do you ever ask why they're attached to this person? I know it varies, but if you were to really systemize it and lay this out clearly, I mean, you've cleared so many people at this point, even just recently. I was going to. To tell you today. I'm like, can you clear the house and clear us? Because there's a very gentle energy. It's a playful energy. It's not a darker. I just don't like any energies around, to be quite honest. But it's one that's doing something interesting that I've only ever happened a few times. But it just like zips around the house. So it'll be. It's that feeling of, did I just see? It's like, did one of my dogs just run by?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Or does it feel like a young energy?
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Lacey Hull
It feels like a playful energy. So it could be young, you know, and they're trying to be seen and they're trying to connect.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
I think with you, Lacey, I feel like this playful energy before I clear it, maybe try and see why it's there. I feel like they want to talk to you. That's why they come to you, because they know that you can maybe just ask them, why are you here? What is it you're looking for? And they do tell you, and maybe you could help them, maybe you can't, and then tell them, okay, now it's time to move on. I don't know, just to try, just to see, maybe.
- [36:01]
Lacey Hull
What are your boundaries with spirits? Because they're around you all the time.
- [36:05]
Karen (Lacey's Mom)
No, but I don't allow it. Funny thing is, I have a girlfriend who lost a good friend and I did a reading for her right after having been about a year now. And she texted me the other day. She's like, I'm trying to talk to him, but he's not answering me. And she said, so I just tell him to go talk to you. And I laugh because I said, that's not the way it works. He won't get through to me until I'm ready to open up and work. That being said, the veil is crazy thin because I don't know if I already told you this, Lacey, the other night I woke up at like 3 o' clock in the morning and I hear this noise. And I'm thinking, is Cole watching a movie or something at this time of night? And it was loud. I hear a whole conversation going on. So I stormed downstairs thinking, okay, I'm gonna go get after him and tell him, get to bed, get down there. He's completely asleep. It's all dark. So I went back up and laid back down. I could hear a whole conversation again. I thought, that is spirit. They are on just another dimension. But it's thin enough that I could hear the whole conversation going on.
- [37:00]
Lacey Hull
Well, what were they talking about? Like, what are they talking about?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
I couldn't completely make everything out, but it sounded like a party.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Wow.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Like, it sounded like that 30s or 40s party. Like, they're around a piano, you know, and people are all talking and dancing and it just sounded like a great time, but it's like, not at 3 o' clock in the morning. And not for me.
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Jessica
Yeah, I was gonna say, it's so interesting both of your perspectives on it too, because I can even see, like, Karen, you're like, I'm not really interested what you're doing. Like, you do your thing. I have boundaries. Whatever.
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Lacey Hull
You're out of here.
- [37:32]
Jessica
Wait, Lacy. You're like, let's get down. Like, what are your blocks? Why are you here?
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Lacey Hull
What was your childhood like?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Spirit.
- [37:42]
Lacey Hull
No wonder they won't leave me alone. And they're like, around me, I'm open.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
And I'm just like, curious. They're like, sure, she doesn't have boundaries. Fuck it, we'll be around her.
- [37:50]
Lacey Hull
But you, you're like, nothing. No, sorry, your friend can't go talk to me.
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Jessica
Okay. Wait, Karen. So I have to ask. We knew we were going to record this and yesterday you started getting some channeling in which I think was my grandma connecting. It was what was coming through. Share with the audience. The second Lacey was like, like this older woman, mother energy, I was like, I know exactly who it is.
- [38:17]
Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Well, it was just a really short little conversation. What was weird is I was getting ready to go somewhere and all of a sudden I could feel you really strong. I'm thinking, why am I feeling Jessica so strong right now? And all of a sudden I see in my mind's eye, you know, I could tell it was a female. Couldn't see a face and stuff, but I could see blonde hair. And that's. You said that later that my grandma dyed her hair blonde. But it was a really young energy. And honestly, her energy, I wouldn't say was over, like late 40s. And it was really playful energy.
- [38:46]
Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Interesting.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
So a couple things, what did she tell me was she was talking about how proud she is of the life you're living. And she said, I hang around her all the time for the ride. Basically. She's living vicariously through you. Yeah. Then the next thing was, that's why I asked you if you were engaged in a long term relationship. Because she's like, what's the holdup? Let's do it. I want some Great Granby.
- [39:10]
Jessica
Well, I've been engaged for like four years now. So that is why.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
That's why she's like, what's happening here? Are we doing it or not doing it?
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Oh.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
So after she was Talking about the great grandbabies and stuff. She handed you a bouquet of daisies, which stands for love and joy and new motherhood. She was so playful, and wherever she is, she's having a really good time. And she had another gal around her. The other gal didn't say anything. She put her arm around her and I think it might have been your other grandma because she said, we're pals now. It was really funny. She was making me laugh. She said a lot more, and I. I just can't. Oh, she was showing me so Victorian clothing. I really don't have. I think it's. She just kept showing me Victorian clothing. I didn't know what that meant because I really don't have a symbol for that.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
That's interesting.
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Jessica
Okay, so it could be one of two things. One, my mom made, like, an old VICT dress from one of the witches of Hocus Pocus when I was a kid. It was like this green Bette Midler's character dress. And I found it when my mom was moving out of her house like a year or two ago. And I still fit in it and put it on and danced around the house in it. And I looked ridiculous. But they know that, like, I love that costume. I loved being a witch, so it could have been that. But my grandma on the other side, my dad's side, she used to have, like, trunks full of old school clothing that I would dress up in when I was, like, so young. I'd put on all these, like, old slips and just dress up stuff as a kid. So it could be that. It's interesting you say that she. The energy felt like not older than 40, because every time I think of her, I think of her at that age. She passed when she was 78. But every time I like, envision her, she's how I envision her. When I was a kid, which would have been around that age range, which is so interesting.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
She also had a dog with her. And I didn't ask who the dog was, but I just saw when she finally kind of. I was like, okay, I gotta go. And she kind of blew a kiss, meaning for you, and she walked off and there was a dog with her.
- [41:18]
Jessica
My dad's mom had pets that have passed. I wonder. And she used to. She used to bury all the dogs in her backyard and give them little graves. So her house had. As animal spirits, I'm sure. Still on it to this day. Which is really funny, aside from the. The practice you said in the beginning, which is like, kind of like Clearing and pulling everything off and then zippering back up. Are there any other rituals or practices or things that you lean on that help you? You know, people talk about like saging their homes or lighting a white candle. Like, are there any little practices or rituals that you found helps you balance in?
- [41:56]
Karen (Lacey's Mom)
You can do all of those. But also, before I start working, I do a whole grounding ritual. I imagine, you know, holy realm shining down, white light and love all around me. Then I imagine tree limbs coming out of my leg, going all the way down into the middle of the universe and grounding in to mother Earth. And I do a whole ritual trying to be grounded. Because with the work I do, oh boy, it can really wreak havoc with, you know, these spirits that I'm clearing decide they want to come and touch me. It's like, nope, no way.
- [42:26]
Lacey Hull
It's interesting because I do a lot of that stuff myself and I'm aware of many of these practices, but I can never fully clear myself on my own. Never ever, no matter how firm I try to be or boundaried or the different things I do. That's why I end up calling you in to do it. And I guess that's what we've deciphered in this conversation. You are like, no nonsense about having very strong boundaries. And it's interesting because you've always had an affinity for darkness. Like, you. You've never been afraid of darkness. Not that you at all play in the darker realms, but I'm very afraid of darkness. I've always been. I'm so sensitive. I'm so afraid of anything that I'm too sensitive for it. But it's interesting that, you know, I think why you're able to fully clear me anytime, even when I try and try and try, like to be firm, and they don't listen to me and they don't pay attention to me, and they just stay messing with my dreams. Is because you're able to be extremely boundaried and firm with them.
- [43:31]
Jessica
Do you have. Do you feel like you have like a spirit team that you connect to more regularly for support or guidance? Like a regular spirit or entity or angel or something like that, where it's like you lean on that, you call on that to help guide you. You know, it's like that. That really good positive energy?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah, well, my. Of course my spirit guides and I do have a few ancestors that I call on, but it depends on different things. Like just for a silly example, when I was used to do pastry, make cakes and stuff, and I used to, like, I'll look at a picture and I want to really make this cake that way, but it's like I can't see it well enough. I'd call in a pastry chef guide or whatever, and they would really help me, and I'd really focus and be able to see every little detail. And, yeah, I mean, I've used, like, when I do clearings, I'll use my people that I normally use to clear. But in Lacey's case, I use my crew that I use all the time. But there was a specific indigenous, like priestess that comes in every time. And the first time she did, Lacey said that is. That was the best clearing we ever did. So now every time I go to clear, she always comes in. So people have their own team, too, that'll come in and help me and. Or show me something, you know. So, yeah, yeah.
- [44:44]
Lacey Hull
It's pretty interesting how they communicate with you. You know, you have a really close friend who helped care for Cole when he was younger. And so tragically, their oldest daughter passed in a car accident, a terrible tragedy. And she was one of his friends. And she'll come through to you often to communicate to the mom or to the dad as well. The most recent one I had heard about not long ago is. She kept showing you fish.
- [45:15]
Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah, she showed me her. She and her dad fishing.
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Lacey Hull
Yeah. And then you said, I don't know why, you know, she's showing me this. And. And that made them so emotional, because.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
It makes me emotional. But that was last trip they did together.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah. Yeah.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
Like on her anniversary.
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Lacey Hull
So I think it really. With you. I know it makes me so.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
I can't even fathom how they feel as parents. Just so. So shattered.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
She comes in a lot when I'm on my walks, and she's such a sweet, beautiful energy. The first time she came to me, she didn't know what happened. I was at work. I'll never forget. I was laying in bed. I'm thinking, why? What? Why am I feeling Hannah? And she was just standing over me, and I'm thinking she was confused and didn't really know what was going on. And then Joe told me what had happened, and I was heartbroken, of course. So I would go on walks and I'd feel her. And then Jen, her mother, contacted me out of the blue. They had moved away and I hadn't talked to her for a while. And she said, oh, somebody told me that you could. Well, she remembered that I could contact spares, but somebody reminded her and said, maybe ask Karen if She can reach out to Hannah. And Hannah had already spoken to me. I'd come home and write different things down. I thought, I'm not going to tell her anything unless she asked me. And she did. She contacted me. And so I told her all the experiences I had, and it helped her so much. And that's. That lit me up. Because helping people that are grieving, that makes me feel good when I know I've helped them and they feel better. Opposed to being a fortune teller. I have so many people contact me right now with a mediumship, and they want to know, you know, how I'm going to make money. That's not my thing. I know, you know, there's great psychics and stuff out there, but that doesn't light me up. I don't want to be a fortune teller. So that's. I do want to get that out there because I have people just on my site with the mediumship, and that's what they think it is. So I don't want them to be disillusioned. I do explain to them before I, you know, take money or do anything that that's not what I do. I'm here for people that are grieving or wanting to contact, you know, specific ancestor or spirit friend, whatever.
- [47:26]
Lacey Hull
Yeah, it's been pretty profound. So that's a really good example. When people, I believe when they do die completely unexpectedly like that, they're totally lost and confused. And then it's so interesting that she would find you. You're like a vessel. And I'm wondering, you know, in. In that realm that they're in that in between state, there must be just certain light bulbs on where it's like, oh, this person actually is accessible to communicate with. It's someone who has that gift. And. And they can. It's like a sort of a lighthouse. And so that's why they come to you. You know, similarly with a family friend of ours that we grew up with, he OD'd, and you instantly connected with him. And I, you know, shared with his sister what he was saying to you, which was really profound, because I do find, and correct me if I'm wrong, that spirits tend to show you really specific things about themselves in mediumship to ensure that the family member, whomever you're communicating with, knows that it's them. So, like, he kept, like, it's gonna.
- [48:30]
Emotional Commentator/Listener
Make me emotional again. But he kept showing you, like, wearing a certain hat. And his sister was like, this is crazy. Your mom didn't even know him during the phase that he wore that hat, but he was so like clearly showing you that hat. So like, it makes me so emotional that they would know like that he's really, really trying to connect with them and say he's okay. And he kept like telling you jokes because that was his personality. So that these like super grieving family members could feel like that peace and that assurance. And I think that that's a really profound, responsible gift to have in the world. It's like, it's wild to have that. And I think that, yeah, like being able to give that kind of. It's such a fascinating human experience that we have that so many different emotions that we can feel such a level of grief, but we're so disconnected from.
- [49:29]
Lacey Hull
The spirit realm that once somebody transitions.
- [49:32]
Emotional Commentator/Listener
Who'S so meaningful in our life, it's like a cutoff happens. You know, I can't even fathom like as a parent, I don't think I've lost anybody super close in my life that I even have to have gone through or understand those emotions.
- [49:49]
Lacey Hull
So like, to be able to have.
- [49:51]
Emotional Commentator/Listener
That gift, to bring some sort of reassurance and love and, and soothing to.
- [49:59]
Lacey Hull
Someone'S grief, I think is so profound.
- [50:12]
Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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Jessica
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Jessica
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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Jessica
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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Jessica
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
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Jessica
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Jessica
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Jessica
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- [53:16]
Jessica
What would be one thing both of you guys would say to someone who's like, oh man, I feel like I have intuitive gifts. I feel intuitive, but I'm not quite sure how to tap into to them or lean into them more. Is there a resource, Is there something they can even like a little exercise they could do on their own? Like, is there any practices that you felt super helpful to help, like strengthen that trust with yourself with the gifts?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
There are psychic circles out there. You go online and find all kinds of resources where you can practice with other people. And because everybody's going to come into their gift their own way. So it's hard to say, oh yeah, do this or do that they're going to have to kind of play around. I say, of course, meditate, get out in nature, Dr. Spirits, and just really try and pay attention to feelings, senses. And again, there is so many different things out there, psychic circles. You can do one on one with just another person to practice. I wish I would have. I can't remember the name of some of them, but I took a few classes at a college, Arthur Findlay in England, and they were kind of psychic circles too. And then they'd have like a teacher show you a few things and then you'd all just open up and start working. And like, they'd say, which was really helpful because I get in my head and I know a lot of people do, is there is no wrong answer if somebody doesn't connect. That doesn't mean just keep working on it. Just say what you see, you know and feel and just keep doing it. There's no. You're not wrong. And there is no medium in this world or psychic that's going to be 100% right. Always. There's not one, because it's just not possible. You can be very good, but you're not always going to get everything 100%. And that's something I had to learn because I even told Lacey. Somebody told me one time, just fake it till you make it. It's like, no, I'm not that person. I don't want to give somebody false information just to say I'm a medium or whatever. I want to know what I'm doing to either help them or at least I want to be 99% sure that I'm on the right track and I'm really helping them and not causing more damage.
- [55:25]
Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
So important.
- [55:26]
Jessica
The ethics of it too.
- [55:28]
Lacey Hull
Oh, for sure. It's such a big responsibility. Something I've definitely been navigating recently is this fine line between. In the TBM work, we feel like we just have all this. This unblocking we have to be doing, which is true, you know, But I. There is this finesse now that I definitely am bringing in a lot more of my guides and ancestors to pick up the heavy lifting. Recent examples of that post Shadow Eclipse. When I was in Mendo a few weeks ago, it was so. So much was coming up for me in such a good way of like, oh, wow, like, when I talk about the stripping and like, structures completely disintegrating, it was like happening before my eyes in my own world. I. And like, very Aquarian style, where I was like, why do I feel like the world has to be on my shoulders in the divinity of the unfolding of things. I need to start surrendering that a little bit more, too, instead of controlling the strings as much as possible. And I do think there's probably a world in TBM where that's going to become also a little bit more in the forefront as we head into. Into these next two years of things happening, happening a lot more rapidly. It's going to be an interesting evolution, I think.
- [56:45]
Jessica
I so felt that I had a session with Missy from our community, who's a psychic and energy healer. She was saying that there's a block, like, in my lineage, my grandmother's mother, who, like, felt the world was just unsafe and, like, her storyline was like, everything was ripped from her. Like, parents, parents passing, put in a foster care, that the next parent she was given had passed away, and then she got given to someone else and then her husband had passed away. Like, she had experienced so much grief, so much loss, and just this core shaking feeling of, like, the world is not safe. Like, I cannot relax because something will get ripped from me at any second. And she was like, that somatically, is still, like, in you. And when we were going through the money challenge, when we were talking about, like, rooting and into safety, that was, like, one of my forefront pieces of, like, grieving her pain and sitting with it.
- [57:42]
Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
But then being like, this is not my story.
- [57:45]
Jessica
We are not here anymore. And, like, I cannot be the one trying to live that out in that fear and that lack anymore. And, like, there was so much. Even when I do the rooted in abundance Di, when I'd be on my walks, I'd be, like, releasing it back and, like, showing her, no, look, you can look through my eyes like, we're safe, we're good. Everything's okay. To try to, like, release it. And I feel like it helped a lot.
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Lacey Hull
So, yeah, I think that's another really big topic. I'm curious, too, what you have to say about this, mom, when you see ancestors show up. But I feel like so much in my daily consciousness just, like, what you're doing there, Jessica. Even when I'm around my children, I'm like, whoa. I am the stop of so many cycles for them. So many. Even within our lineage, mom. Like, on my dad's side, where it's just like, yeah, no, that's done. That stops here on an epigenetic level. Yeah. I wonder what. I do feel that there's going to be an interesting reveal here, you know, at some point in throughout the years, why we have this connection to spirit still. Obviously, historically, it's thought that they. They help us, they guide us. Some of. Historically, many cultures believe that they can mess with us, you know, and even traditionally in saw, when you know what we're going to be celebrating and what we celebrate. People did these beautiful offerings and meals to spirits because they just didn't want.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
Anyone to with them. They were, like, offering desserts and meals.
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Lacey Hull
And, like, appeasing spirits when the veil was thin.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
And the different masks they wear on Sawyer.
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Lacey Hull
That's why they wore costumes. Yeah, that's where costumes came from.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
To hide from them. So they wouldn't follow. Yes.
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Lacey Hull
Mess with them. Especially, you know, this is a Celtic tradition. So you have to remember this is like, heavily in an environment where you're believing in fairies and stuff, which I do. I work with fairies, actually, a lot, which is. Yeah. And it's interesting. When you first came to my property here in the Santa Monica Mountains, you were like, I just need you to know, Lacey, you have a lot of land spirits. And you weren't the first person to say that. I had our really specific feng shui person come. I always do before we get a property. And she was like, there's a lot of elemental land spirits on this property that are really good, doing good things for you. So there's so many realms out there.
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Emotional Commentator/Listener
And I'm like, are they all in.
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Lacey Hull
The same realm and why and what's the connection? And I think through religion and colonial missionary, we've lost the understanding. Understanding, like ancestrally, it just has not been passed down to us. That connection's been broken, you know, and we have so many distractions distracting us from that connection. We have electronics distracting us with everything distracting us from it. But there's a reason why we are connected with spirits that we have forgotten. I'm curious what that is. And you, Mom. We don't have. We didn't have our lineage. Pass that down to us and that knowledge and that relationship. So we're all having to navigate this. I want to know why, because I know that connection, and that bridge is important. When we understand that why, then we have. This is how my mind works in life. But we have a little bit of a compass to reorient the way we're truly supposed to be. Living in this modern society, it's hard to understand. There were so many powers at play to disconnect us in every single way. From our intuition, from our connection with spirit, from our connection with each other, from women with each other. You know, it's so deep that I'm finding on a cellular level and metaphysical level, I want those connections. So, yeah, it's a really long winded tangent about. I just wonder what that. Why is. Like, why are these spirits around us? You know, like, why do we have such a connection with them?
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
They're here to help us, you know, some. I think back in the day it was a way to keep your kids in line by scaring. Scaring them with different spirits. But I mean, what broke our line was severe religion. My mom stopped it there. Cause I know my grandma had it. So, yeah, she had it. I know my mom had it because when I would tell her something, it wasn't like a big shock, like, oh my gosh, it was like a knowing, but she didn't want me to do it kind of thing. So. Yeah. And today's society, you're right. I mean, probably half the people aren't connecting because we're too busy on our phones, you know, and everything else, just everything we have to think about. Back in the day, they didn't have nearly the things to think about that we have to think about. So, yeah, I think this is such.
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Jessica
A potent kind of question to pose the audience and like, leave them here with that too. That just get curious, you know, check in, listen in, feel into your senses, get in nature, create time to be quiet. Whether that's because you want to connect to your ancestors, you, your spirit guides, if you want to tap into your intuitive gifts, stronger, listen to your pings. Stronger. Like it really is grounding back into presence and really feeling and trusting what you're feeling is correct. Even if you're like, I don't fully believe in myself, you know, that these pings are correct or whatever. Just do an experiment with them, Take a month and say, I'm going to believe whatever comes through is true and see what happens. I'm just curious. If everyone does this, what do we all learn? And let's bring it back together.
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Lacey Hull
And the veil is thin.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
And people that do do that, like go out in nature, just meditate, sit in front of a tree for a while and just really try and connect with the tree. But then I think they should probably go home and write stuff down because sometimes people forget and then they'll probably notice a pattern. You don't have to tell anybody. If you feel like, oh, that wasn't real, just write it down and you'll find out soon enough.
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Jessica
Karen, where can people find you, connect with you, clear with you? All of the things my email is.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Hello, What Is it? Hello, Karen.
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Lacey Hull
Your website.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Oh, my website, yeah. Yeah.
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Jessica
Well, we can link it in the show notes.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Yeah. Thank you.
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Jessica
Thank you both of you so much. And also just having the vulnerability to come on here and talk about this stuff because I know with like the witch wound and everything in media, it can be like a scary topic to come out and share with the world. But just know our audience is very receptive and loving and welcoming to this and appreciate both of you.
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Karen (Lacey's Mom)
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
I hope you guys enjoyed that episode and are starting to get some ideas pings and just be. Be open and curious what ways has your intuition, has your instincts clicked in even during this episode? Or play with it over the next couple days as well. So for anyone joining our book club, a little homework for you guys.
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Jessica
You can either do it before the.
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Host/Co-host (possibly Jessica or Lacey)
Book club, before you watch the first video, or you can do it after whatever you feel called to. But for the first one, we're going to cover in the book version. Intro, the real secret to manifestation. Chapter one, the law of attraction is your subconscious self worth. Chapter two, reconnect with your authentic self. This is where you form your authentic code. And three, cast the list. If you're following along in how to Manifest Workshop, that will be the intro to neural manifestation section, the authentic code section, and the list section. So like I said, you guys can do that work prior to Wednesday's call or you can do it after the call when you get some clarity. I know. I am extremely excited to craft my authentic code again. One really good DI to do if you're doing that is the authentic self di. That one is huge for remembering the parts of your authentic essence that you may have disconnected from when you were younger. Okay, more on this in the coming weeks. And we can't wait to see you in the book club. If you're a Pathway member, it will automatically be in your portal or you can sign up for free at the link in the show notes. Notes.