EXTRA ANORMAL Podcast Summary

Episode: El Sacerdote Que Pacto Con Lucifer | El lado oscuro del catolisismo
Host: Paco Arias
Guest: Osvaldo Torres
Date: September 2, 2025

Episode Overview

This intense and chilling episode of EXTRA ANORMAL, hosted by Paco Arias, dives into the darker side of Catholicism, revealing shocking testimonies and real stories involving demonic pacts, cursed churches, and the intersection of spiritual light and darkness within religious institutions. Joined by expert and former seminarian Osvaldo Torres, the episode traverses themes like demonic miracles, the presence of evil in churches, spiritual vulnerability, and extreme cases from the Vatican to small Mexican towns.

Main Discussion Points & Key Insights

1. Introducing the Guest and Episode Context

[02:40 – 05:36]

• Osvaldo Torres’s Background:

  • Ex-seminarian, three years from priesthood, studied demonology in Rome, co-hosts “Invitado a lo Desconocido” (a podcast on demons and exorcisms).
  • “Hablamos temas que tal vez no toda la gente se atreve a tocarlos por miedo a ‘¿Qué tal si invoco algo, ¿Qué tal si el demonio se me va a hacer presente?’” — Osvaldo [04:52]

• Tone Disclaimer:

  • The episode is controversial and not meant as disrespect to religion but to share real testimonies of darkness within the church.

2. Haunted Energy and Paranormal Activity in Churches

[07:34 – 14:21]

• Discussion:
  • Churches are centers of heavy spiritual and energetic charge—acts of brujería, santería, exorcisms, and human energy residue create negative environments.
  • “Las iglesias son un punto energético muy importante, porque allí van y tiran trabajos de santería, de palo Mayombe... la propia gente con su misma energía hace que ese lugar sea un cúmulo de mala energía.” — Osvaldo [07:37]
• Profane Miracles:
  • Miraculous events (statues crying, moving) aren’t always divine; they may result from dark rituals.
  • “No era un milagro divino, sino era más un milagro de alguna entidad, demoníaco... tienen la misma función, hacer milagros para confundir.” — Osvaldo [09:19]
• Demonic “Miracles” Are Faster:
  • Demonic entities grant favors quicker than saints, but the cost (“letras chiquitas del contrato”) is destruction.
  • “Son más milagrosos que los propios santos... te contestan inmediatamente, pero nadie te dice las letras chiquitas del contrato.” — Osvaldo [10:20]

3. Personal Stories: Attachment, Pacts, and Curses

a. Entities from Churches and Energetic Vulnerability

[16:53 – 29:40]

• San Juan Chamula Testimony:

  • Churches can harbor dark rituals; e.g., in Chamula, pagan practices, animal sacrifices, and spiritual oppression are common.
  • Testimony: Susana feels an dark energy and, after witnessing sacrifices, both she and her child are affected by mysterious aggression and depressive symptoms.
  • “Todo por entrar a una iglesia, nunca me especifica qué tipo de ser se le pega... sólo que algo se le pegó.” — Paco [29:20]

• Demonic Targeting:

  • “Una cualidad del demonio es atacar a los más vulnerables, ya sea un menor o una persona en una vulnerabilidad espiritual muy, muy baja.” — Osvaldo [29:47]

b. El Sacerdote y el Pacto con Lucifer: Real-World Account

[32:26 – 45:00]

• Case of "Padre Enrique":
  • Mexican priest seeks power, enters into a satanic pact, profanes the Eucharist with human fluids, participates in orgies, and sacrifices a fetus (obtained via corruption) in a ritual.
  • "El sacerdote deja 14 cartas relatando todo esto... tenía que sacrificar a un menor de edad... hace una misa negra para sellar el pacto en el templo católico." — Osvaldo [32:26-37:00]
  • Witnessed appearance of Lucifer, culminating in Enrique’s suicide; the diocese later destroyed and re-consecrated the church.

c. Maldiciones y Espíritus en Iglesias Abandonadas

[52:38 – 71:52]

• Pueblo Mágico:
  • Town plagued by a cursed church after a denied baptism leads to a brujería-driven feud between a priest and witches, resulting in multiple deaths.
  • “El pueblo empezó a decir que dentro de esta iglesia estaba el alma del primer sacerdote coexistiendo o conviviendo con el alma de la bruja.” — Paco [57:46]
  • Paranormal attacks and a visible red sigil on the altar are reported; only complex rituals eventually free those afflicted.

d. Possession and Exorcism Case

[72:37 – 89:58]

• Beelzebub Possession:
  • Woman attempts a ritual for wealth; is eventually possessed by Beelzebub after practicing from a 18th-century black magic book.
  • Exorcism spans a week, involving intense physical phenomena; the woman ultimately dies and Osvaldo himself is targeted by misfortune soon after.
  • “Estaban dentro de ella siete personas... Le dice: ‘Soy Belcebú... ella me ofreció su alma, su cuerpo, a cambio de dinero, pero la engañé y nunca se lo di.’” — Osvaldo [84:59]

4. Church as Light or Darkness: Institutional Corruption & Abuse

[99:37 – 108:48]

• Ghost Story:
  • A family sees a ghost-child in a church—the spirit of a boy long dead in a fire, seen only during mass.
• Abuse in the Seminary:
  • Osvaldo details clerical homophobia, physical abuse, and institutional cover-ups within the seminary.
  • “El Padre Carlos lo golpeó... Y esa fue su responsabilidad: ‘Le estoy ayudando a recobrar la infancia que nunca tuvo.’” — Osvaldo [101:59]
  • Church leaders justify and cover up violence, threatening and vilifying whistleblowers.

5. Critical Reflection: Faith Beyond Institutions

[108:48 – 112:00]

• Both hosts urge listeners to distinguish between faith in God/Christ and flawed human institutions.
• "No pongan su fe en la persona, en el sacerdote, en el papa, pongan su fe en Cristo, en Dios.” — Osvaldo [111:29]

Notable Quotes & Moments

On the Poker-Faced Reliability of Church Miracles:

“No era un milagro divino, sino era más un milagro de alguna entidad, demoníaco... para confundir.”
— Osvaldo [09:19]

On Demonic Favors:

“Es más efectivo pedirle a un demonio que... a la Virgen de Guadalupe o a Dios... pero nadie te dice las letras chiquitas del contrato.”
— Osvaldo [10:20]

On the Power of Intention:

“Si tu intención verdaderamente está ahí, te va a escuchar... la intención lo es todo.”
— Osvaldo [13:03]

On the Dangers of Brujería in Churches:

“Muchas personas recurren a eso... no porque seas elegido por Dios te vas a salvar de todo esto.”
— Osvaldo [72:37]

On Institutional Hypocrisy:

“¿La Iglesia es de luz o es de oscuridad?”
— Osvaldo [108:47]

On Where to Place One’s Faith:

“No pongan su fe en la persona... pongan su fe en Cristo, en Dios.”
— Osvaldo [111:29]

Timestamps of Critical Segments

• [05:36] — Disclaimer & Purpose: Not to disrespect religion, but to discuss hard truths
• [07:34] — Are churches always safe? Spiritual “energy” and testimony
• [09:13] — Miracles: Divine or demonic?
• [16:53] — Can you catch a demon in church? Story of San Juan Chamula and evil attachments
• [32:26] — The Priest’s Pact: Detailed recount of “Padre Enrique’s” satanic rise and fall
• [52:40] — Cursed Church: Witch-doctor feuds, priestly deaths, and abandoned temples
• [72:37] — A Possession and Exorcism: The true cost of seeking forbidden power
• [101:59] — Seminary Abuse: Institutionalized violence and cover-up exposed
• [108:48] — The duality of churches: Light, darkness, and human corruption
• [111:29] — Final messages on faith beyond institutions

Final Reflections

This episode goes far beyond typical ghost stories, delving into real, documented accounts and personal testimonies about the coexistence of good and evil within religious spaces. It underscores the necessity of discernment, the risks of seeking easy “miracles,” and the critical importance of not confusing faith in God with trust in flawed human institutions.

“Yo lo único que no puedo es con la injusticia que hace la Iglesia y siempre lo voy a denunciar... No pongan su fe en la persona... pongan su fe en Cristo, en Dios.”
— Osvaldo [110:59 & 111:29]