Paige Lorenze: Addressing the misconceptions + spilling on her new era

Summary

Extra Dirty with Hallie Batchelder

Episode: Paige Lorenze: Addressing the misconceptions + spilling on her new era
Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Hallie Batchelder
Guest: Paige Lorenze

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Episode Overview

This lively, candid conversation between NYC influencer Hallie Batchelder and entrepreneur/creator Paige Lorenze dives into the misconceptions around Paige’s public persona, her journey into business with Dairy Boy, and what it means to be authentic in today’s influencer era. The episode is peppered with hilarious friendship moments, family revelations, career deep-dives, and no-shortage of “girl talk” on relationships, internet hate, self-discovery, and success. Hallie and Paige’s real-life friendship and banter make for an engaging, relatable, and insightful listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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How Hallie and Paige Met & Their Early Impressions

[02:40-04:49]

• Paige reveals she knew of Hallie before Hallie knew her, describing Hallie as "always had star aura, and you've always been that girl." (Paige, 02:57)
• Nostalgic Nantucket references: both grew up spending summers there, working retail, and running in overlapping social circles.
• Paige recounts a past incident involving a guy in their friend group—she tried to do the “right thing” by alerting another girl about dubious behavior, reflecting:

  "Girls are way meaner to girls than guys are to girls. That's always how it goes." (Paige, 04:37)

• On confrontation: Paige is non-confrontational, preferring harmony, while Hallie admits to liking a bit of drama.

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Careers Before Influencing & Working in Retail

[07:32-10:39]

• Paige emphasizes the importance of retail and service jobs as formative, teaching humility and practical skills:

  "Working retail…is so good for being a creator and an influencer because I know how to move product." (Paige, 07:35)

• Both discuss their earliest roles: nannies, hostesses, retail workers—“I love to make money. The hostess thing was not bringing the coin” (Paige, 08:59).

• Reflections on Nantucket culture—everyone works, even the "trust fund babies," and the experience instills a work ethic.

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Paige on Being "Straight Edge" Growing Up

[10:49-11:49]

• Paige describes her focus on competitive ski racing and respecting her parents’ sacrifice:

  “The least thing I felt like I could do was not drink and not be a problem in high school.” (Paige, 11:40)

• This led to being left out of typical “cool kid” high school parties but set a precedent for her later discipline and drive.

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The Concept of “Aura,” Authenticity, and Handling Internet Scrutiny

[14:12-18:51]

• Paige says Hallie has the “special sauce”—that unteachable influencer charisma.

  "There are so many beautiful women that don’t have the special sauce." (Paige, 14:25)

• They touch on public figures like Hailey Bieber, who "gets a bit of hate, but I think it's related to her aura," and how she’s thrived by leaning into her uniqueness (Paige, 14:49).

• Both discuss internet rumors and handling hate:

  "The truth always prevails…In this industry, you can virtue signal so much, but your real-life relationships and experiences always come forth." (Paige, 16:01)

• Paige explains she’s less vulnerable online, protecting her peace, but warns:

  "If you are not putting out a narrative about yourself, someone will make it for you." (Paige, 17:05)

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Owning the Narrative, Moving Mysteriously, and Public Life Balance

[17:41-19:52]

• Paige doesn't overshare on TikTok, which "adds to the curiosity" about her private and business lives.

• Affirmation that authenticity matters more than appeasing everyone:

  "Because you don’t want to be bullied into being inauthentic either." (Halle, 18:51)

• Hallie praises Paige for being emotionally intelligent and supportive, especially in the influencer world.

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Friendship, Loyalty, and High Standards

[20:32-21:57]

• Paige asserts Hallie is a fiercely loyal friend, unusually present and trustworthy for the influencer world:

  "You are supportive of all your friends. You are present. You're really great. I love you." (Paige, 20:57)

• They reveal—humorously and with the help of Paige’s mom—that they're actually distant cousins (22:00-24:05):

  “No, my grandmother's middle name is your last name…” (Paige, 22:01)

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Paige's Move Out of NYC, Brand Growth, and Trusting Her Gut

[24:14-28:41]

• Paige left NYC when she realized she wasn’t aligned with her city's "inauthentic" content-creation grind.
• She reflects on the importance of self-discovery, even when “down bad,” and emphasizes trying things wholeheartedly:

  “If I'm doing something, I'm doing it… I'm not half-assing anything.” (Paige, 28:25)

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The Dairy Boy Brand – Origin Story

[31:58-36:13]

• Paige candidly shares how Dairy Boy grew from selling camo hats out of her garage to a “massive business"—her leap into entrepreneurship was about starting, not waiting for perfection:

  "It’s way more important to get your idea out there and start something, even if it’s not perfect..." (Paige, 32:01)

• Emphasizes feedback loops, team-building, and how online hate does not affect product sales:

  "There can be 110 videos made about my business and the quality being bad and my sales will be up." (Paige, 38:49)

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Handling Criticism and Blocking on Social Media

[37:16-39:54]

• Open discussion about boundaries:

  "I do block people online a lot. Like truly, I love the block…If I think you’re sus, I’m blocking." (Paige, 37:16)

• She welcomes genuine feedback for business improvement, but dismisses “bot” negativity.

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Influence, Family Support, and Smart Humor

[40:03-41:41]

• Both reflect on coming from hardworking families, how that’s fueled their ambition, and the importance of supportive partners and parents.

• Hallie jokes about her online “dumb character,” but Paige confirms:

  "You're one of the smartest people I know." (Paige, 41:38)

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WAG Life: Paige on Being Engaged to Tommy Paul

[41:43-44:57]

• Paige appreciates the chance to merge sports, style, and her social platforms through her relationship, but clarifies being a "WAG" isn't her entire identity:

  "Being a WAG is the most…least interesting thing about me, I think...it's impossible for me to do everything 100%." (Paige, 44:57)

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Feminism, Ambition, and Defining Success

[46:04-50:26]

• Paige frames her lifestyle as a blend of soft-life/tradition and female entrepreneurship:

  "You can live a soft life…but you are also an entrepreneur and business owner. You're also financially independent and you can do both." (Paige, 46:13)

• Both discuss pressures of settling down and societal timelines, reinforcing:

  "The most important thing to do is figure out what success means to you and go after that. And that looks different for everyone." (Paige, 49:37)

• Hallie: "Comparison is a thief of joy." (50:21)

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The Engagement Scoop

[52:27-54:18]

• Paige shares that her wedding to Tommy Paul will be “invite-only” to true friends—“I'm not inviting anyone…that I wouldn't want to have lunch with.” (Paige, 53:45)

• Hallie raves about Paige as the "most fun" person to party/dance with.

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Relationship & Life Advice: Listener Q&A

[58:00-65:12]

• First date tips: Paige sees first dates as interviews, with Hallie adding it’s about “interviewing someone to bone.” (58:26, 58:32)
• Plastic surgery, glow ups: Both joke about past looks and “face transplant” rumors, with Paige emphasizing self-acceptance and growth.
• Gender-swap question:

  "If you could be a guy for a day, what would you do?" (64:14)
  Hallie: “I would whip my dick out. Is that bad?” (64:47)
  Paige imagines pitching herself at a private equity forum.

• ‘What are we?’ talks with men:

  "Do not ask a man ever what you are. If you have to ask, run." (Paige, 64:51)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On confrontation and drama:
  Hallie: "So you don't like the drama?"
  Paige: “No, I like drama. You do a little bit...” (05:36-05:38)

• On friendship standards:
  Paige: "You are loyal, you're smart, you're caring. You are so supportive of all your friends. You are present. You're really great. I love you..." (20:57)

• On personal growth:
  Paige: “I’m not scared to dive full…like two feet into anything. If I’m doing something, I’m doing it…not half-assing anything.” (28:15-28:25)

• Paige on redefining the “trad wife” and ambition dichotomy:
  “You can want a traditional life and also be, you know, progressive…We need to give women more credit that…creating content and also living traditionally, it's a choice.” (47:59-48:18)

• Blunt dating advice:
  Paige: “Do not ask a man ever what you are. If you have to ask, run.” (64:51)

• On blocking haters:
  Paige: “I do block people online a lot. Like truly, I love the block...If I see something that I think is sideways. Like if I think you’re sus, I’m blocking.” (37:16)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:40] – How Hallie & Paige met, Nantucket stories
• [07:32] – Early jobs, working in retail
• [10:49] – Straight edge, sports focus, and family respect
• [14:12] – Aura, influencer "special sauce," Hailey Bieber, authenticity
• [17:05] – Online narratives, handling hate
• [20:57] – Loyalty, friendship dynamics
• [22:00] – Family revelation: Hallie & Paige are cousins
• [24:14] – Paige on leaving NYC and self-realization
• [31:58] – The Dairy Boy brand origin & growth
• [37:16] – Social media boundaries, blocking, criticism
• [41:43] – Being a WAG, tennis circuits, lifestyle blend
• [46:13] – New models of women’s success, work/life blend
• [52:27] – Wedding plans and party philosophy
• [58:26] – Listener Q&A: first dates, beauty, relationships

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Final Thoughts

Hallie and Paige’s “Extra Dirty” episode is testament to the power of honest friendship, entrepreneurial ambition, and embracing your personal path despite outside perceptions. Paige’s insights into business and self-acceptance—paired with both women’s sharp wit and sincerity—make this a blueprint for authenticity, hustle, and meaningful female support in the influencer era.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

This might be psychotic, but I kind of view a first date as an interview.

[Halle]

It's like interviewing someone to bone. What up, you little freaks? Okay, guys, I'm doing something really stupid right now. We have an emergency debrief situation. Hi, this is Hallie from the streets of New York. Guys, I had every intention of staying in last night. Okay. Okay, Paige, welcome to Extra Dirty.

[Paige Lorenze]

Thank you.

[Halle]

I'm so excited.

[Paige Lorenze]

I am so honored to be here.

[Halle]

Are you thrilled to be here?

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm so thrilled to be here. What's the secret word for the. The flying cocktails that come in.

[Halle]

One new flying. Wait. Oh, there.

[Paige Lorenze]

There they come. Oh. Oh, I see them. Cheers, cuz. Cheers, guys. Oh, who made these delicious. Holy. Guys. So good.

[Halle]

Wait, I'm gonna down it.

[Paige Lorenze]

Are you actually. Maybe this is a contest. Oh, remember when we did really good? Yeah, we did that, remember? Oh, yeah.

[Halle]

When we were making that tick tock.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yes.

[Halle]

And we're drinking the same drink. And you kept wanting to retake the video and then.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, but you threw up. And I did it.

[Halle]

And I threw up in the bathroom at the restaurant.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Yeah, but. Okay, Paige, you do. You don't do many podcasts, so I feel honored that you're sitting here with me.

[Paige Lorenze]

I don't do any podcasts.

[Halle]

I know. You nervous?

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm honestly not. Which is more concerning.

[Halle]

No, I wouldn't be nervous. This is a safe space. Let's start from the beginning.

[Paige Lorenze]

When I was born in Boston, Massachusetts.

[Halle]

No, I want to start from, like, where did we meet?

[Paige Lorenze]

I think I met you or knew about you before you knew about me. You've not talked about this?

[Halle]

No.

[Paige Lorenze]

Halle has been famous for a very long time.

[Halle]

True.

[Paige Lorenze]

It is true. No. Yes, but continue. You've always had star aura, and you've always been that girl. That's so kind, but I really mean it. Even if we weren't friends, I would undeniably say that.

[Halle]

But, like, why did you think that? What was your first impression of me?

[Paige Lorenze]

You were pretty. You were vivacious.

[Halle]

Vivacious?

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. You're really larger than life. Like, truly. That's why I think that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, because you're truly someone that just has aura around them. Like, you are someone that people want to get to know. You have, like, allure about you, but you've always been like that, so I knew you were. So backstory. Halle and I both grew up going to Nantucket Island. Yep. It's a very small island. And I think you were just very known on the island for being fun, being hot.

[Halle]

I would go out to the bars.

[Paige Lorenze]

A lot, but you were one of the cool girls, and I wanted to.

[Halle]

Be your friend, and we worked next to each other. Yeah. And I remember the first time there was this guy that was dating one of my friends, and he was DMing you and you.

[Paige Lorenze]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

He added me on Snapchat. Okay.

[Halle]

Which is even worse.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, he added me on Snapchat. And I immediately was like, did not end it back. And I told someone. I told your friend.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

I was just like, I think. I think he is a girlfriend. And I was sad for her, I guess, And I. And I wanted. I didn't want to tell her. I just didn't really know what to do. And. Is that how you found out about me?

[Halle]

Well, yeah, because I was kind of in that friend group of the girlfriend. But I just thought found it was so interesting because you were the one that was honest and upfront about it, and you were like, having this girl's back, but, like, I feel like you were made almost like the villain.

[Paige Lorenze]

But that's always how it goes. And I did learn from that situation. I think. I think in general, in situations like that, you're never gonna come across girl to girl. Girls are way meaner to girls than guys are girl.

[Halle]

And girl crime rate, I talk about all the time.

[Paige Lorenze]

Girls are really mean. And I think I thought I was doing the right thing, but in reality, I think I probably ended up hurting more feelings by trying to do the right thing.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

That's happened to me even in my adult life.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Trying to. I feel like, you know, be real about a situation, confront a situation. A lot of people aren't either there or want to hear it or. So I've just. I'm very unconvertational now. I feel like in my life.

[Halle]

You're unconvertational.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, I would say.

[Halle]

Yeah. I feel like you don't like confrontation.

[Paige Lorenze]

I just don't like problems with anyone. I'd rather have. Yeah, Nothing with someone. Like, I would rather fake get along with someone than have an issue with someone.

[Halle]

So you don't like the drama? No, I like drama.

[Paige Lorenze]

You do a little bit. You definitely. It's funny. Hallie will be having an issue with someone. I'll be like, just text her or call her. Like, it. There's nothing that can't be solved. And she's like, no.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

See, I'm the type of person. And my mom's this way where if I feel like anyone's even a little bit upset at me.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm calling them. And even if this person hurt me really badly, I'm like, what? How can I apologize? How can we make this better?

[Halle]

I just, like, don't.

[Paige Lorenze]

It weighs on me.

[Halle]

Yeah. You know, I just don't like having difficult conversations sometimes. I just, like, push them off because then I don't want to get, like, worked up.

[Paige Lorenze]

I would rather have a difficult conversation and make up with someone than have any sort of animosity with someone, Even someone that I don't really like. I would rather just be cool. But I feel like some people like contrast and confrontation and thrive off of it a little bit.

[Halle]

Yeah, maybe.

[Paige Lorenze]

You do a little bit.

[Halle]

Well, I just, like. I don't know. Drama is always entertaining to me. I love, love watching reality tv, and I think part of it's from that.

[Paige Lorenze]

Would you ever do reality tv?

[Halle]

Yeah, I would.

[Paige Lorenze]

You would?

[Halle]

I would. I would be a housewife if someone would.

[Paige Lorenze]

If anyone's watching this, someone needs to do a show on H and her family on Nantucket. I don't know if Dairy Boy needs to open a production company and do that show.

[Halle]

Maybe you should.

[Paige Lorenze]

Maybe we will.

[Halle]

Oh, my God. We can milk cows.

[Paige Lorenze]

We on Nucket?

[Halle]

Well, yeah. Weren't you just looking at spots on Nuket for dirty?

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. So we're gonna open a store next summer on Nukit.

[Halle]

Wait, that'll be huge.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait, you told me.

[Halle]

You told me off camera.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. I'm really excited. I think the island doesn't have something in our price point at our quality. And I think for young shoppers and honestly, an older demo, it'll bring something fresh to the island. I'm just really excited. I also feel like Nantucket is such a world. Like there's truly nothing aesthetic wise that's so authentic and true to New England and Nantucket. And I feel like that lends itself so nicely to Dairy Boy.

[Halle]

And you like, know exactly what that aesthetic is.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. I also worked retail. Right. On Nantucket. So I feel like I know what shoppers want. Yeah. That experience, working retail. I know you worked retail too, but I feel like in a way, subconsciously is so good for being a creator and an influencer because I know how to move product. So yeah, I think that gives us an edge. I know there are a lot of creators that worked retail. Like Hallie Kate worked at Free.

[Halle]

People should work retail to understand like the beast that it is 100.

[Paige Lorenze]

But also just like females and our emotional IQ. Like the way that we can sell to people and relate to people I think is so interesting.

[Halle]

And it's a good skill. Yeah. Even if it's just like working behind a desk at a. Yeah, I agree. A little shop on Nantucket. What other jobs did you do before you started influencing?

[Paige Lorenze]

I worked a lot. I went to college in New York City and I. Part of the reason why I wanted to go to college in New York City is because I knew I could get like a real big girl job while I was in college. I was a nanny, I worked at crew. I was a hostess. I was a sales hostess for like a week.

[Halle]

Oh, wait, I think it was the same summer probably. And you quit before I got there? Yeah, I think I was filling your shoes.

[Paige Lorenze]

I really didn't like it because I felt like I wanted tips. It was, what am I doing for no tips?

[Halle]

For no tips.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, one thing about me is I like to make money.

[Halle]

And that's on period.

[Paige Lorenze]

I. I love to make money. And the hostess thing was not. Was not bringing the coin that I.

[Halle]

Was looking for a lot of hard work. A lot of like feeling like the small little fish in a pond. Like you were literally the bottom of the barrel. That for like 12 bucks an hour.

[Paige Lorenze]

And you know what I think it is? I think waitresses deal with so much, honestly harassment from especially men.

[Halle]

Yeah. Where there's like a bunch of rich.

[Paige Lorenze]

Entitled men, they're getting off their yacht and they're going to crew. And I think I could deal with and. And you know, deal with and play off of the sort of rudeness of men when I'm getting a tip. But when I'm dealing with that rudeness without a tip, that's a wrap for me.

[Halle]

No, that's a wrap.

[Paige Lorenze]

That's a wrap.

[Halle]

I worked at crew and then I would finish my day shift at crew and I was wearing like this little white T shirt and like really skinny white jeans and like.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, the Michael Kors outfit.

[Halle]

Yep, the Michael Kors outfit. And I would look like a 16 year old and I was like 25. And then I would head over for there and I would go to Galley and make. Literally I'd probably make 90 in a full day from like 11am to 11 at night. Yeah, it was really fun.

[Paige Lorenze]

The cool thing about Nantucket, everyone works.

[Halle]

Everyone works.

[Paige Lorenze]

Even the trust fund babies. I was not a trust fund baby, but even the trust fund babies all worked.

[Halle]

I think it's important to work either in retail or the restaurant industry because I feel like it humbles you and it kind of teaches you like work. Like work.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, 100%. That's what I like about Nantucket though is like at right when you can start working, everyone gets a job.

[Halle]

Yeah, it's like one big country club.

[Paige Lorenze]

It is.

[Halle]

How many summers did you spend out there before, like we. I'm every summer hung out there.

[Paige Lorenze]

I know you like see me out and I'll be crossing. You know what it is. I think the Boston families stick together. And then I was sort of like from Connecticut and Vermont. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Halle]

Like, I feel like you didn't go out that much because I would have.

[Paige Lorenze]

Seen I was very straight edge.

[Halle]

Yeah, yeah, let's talk about that.

[Paige Lorenze]

Okay, let's talk about that.

[Halle]

You're very straight edge.

[Paige Lorenze]

I was, I was a ski racer going to a ski racing academy. And I felt like my parents were putting so much money into me being an athlete and I felt like the right thing to do was to be really serious about that. Also. I was just very focused. I was really focused as a young girl. And the things that I found fun were different when I was younger. Like, I love to fish, I love just surf.

[Halle]

I liked horseback riding.

[Paige Lorenze]

Horseback riding. But I truly always had a great relationship with my parents and I think I always respected how much they sacrificed for me. And in a different way, ski racing is a very expensive sport. It's sort of similar to horseback riding where I knew how much they were sacrificing for me to be able to chase my dreams. And the least thing I felt like I could do was not drink and not be a problem in high school.

[Halle]

Yeah, that's probably why we didn't.

[Paige Lorenze]

I was not invited to any of the cool parties. I knew about you guys but I wasn't invited.

[Halle]

But that's what I would have invited you.

[Paige Lorenze]

I know you would have.

[Halle]

Would you come?

[Paige Lorenze]

Probably would have been scared, but I think that's why I don't know. Obviously I feel like I've always like known about you or known who you are. So seeing you in this career, even when you are like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Like I know what you're doing and I know that you are in what you're in your calling. Like I truly think Foreign.

[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

I say.

[Halle]

And you predicted the whole thing.

[Paige Lorenze]

I did predict the whole thing. I also think that there are people in this industry with like aura and I think there's.

[Halle]

Seriously, I love your use of aura.

[Paige Lorenze]

But seriously, what? Like there's no other word.

[Halle]

Like the special sauce.

[Paige Lorenze]

The special sauce. And I think you have the special sauce. I mean there are so many beautiful women that don't have the special sauce. And you know who has the most special sauce. Guess the celebrity who, like, gets, like, a bit of hate, but I think it's related to her aura.

[Halle]

Wait, I know this.

[Paige Lorenze]

Think about someone who's really T that gets a lot of hate.

[Halle]

Megan Fox.

[Paige Lorenze]

Help. Literally. Help. Haley Bieber. She is so t. She's so t. She's so influential. She's such a good person.

[Halle]

I just watched her episode. She was on Owen.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yes.

[Halle]

Owen Thiel's podcast, and she was just such like a normal.

[Paige Lorenze]

She is. I mean, I've met her in person and been a supporter of hers for a long time, and I think she's a great example of someone with aura and influence and style and charisma that I think is. Is killing it, obviously, but.

[Halle]

And she's crushing it. She has her business, and she's just.

[Paige Lorenze]

But just people like that, you know, it's. It's. It's.

[Halle]

Yeah, but.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, I see that for you, and I'm. I'm so happy for you.

[Halle]

Yeah. I just. Sometimes I. You know, I want to stay. Like, it's hard. Sometimes.

[Paige Lorenze]

It is hard. Sometimes.

[Halle]

You understand it, like.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. But I would imagine that even, like, people like her that are way bigger than us, you know, it's.

[Halle]

She's gotten more hate than any of us combined. Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

The tides are turning a little bit, though.

[Halle]

But the tides are turning because I think she kind of just, like, leaned in and just.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. And I also think truly doesn't care. The truth always prevails. I think.

[Halle]

I like that.

[Paige Lorenze]

It really does. I think, because in this industry, you can virtue signal so much about being a good person or putting out things that make you seem like you're a good person or if you're supporting the right causes. But I think truly, your experiences you have with your community, real people, friendships, always, like, come forth, even if there's, like, really hard times. I. You know. Yeah. Like, if you know that you're a good person and that you're not anything that you know. I mean, I feel like both of us. Everything has been said under the sun about us.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Truly.

[Halle]

But I feel like I've said it first, but, like.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, you're definitely. You. Are you.

[Halle]

I mean.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. I love that for you. I think you're so ahead of it, and I feel like you clock yourself before anyone can clock you, which is something I don't really do. I feel like I don't get online and sh. I'm not super vulnerable online. I'm like. I'm.

[Halle]

You come from a different era of, like, influencer though I feel like you protect your piece a lot more and I think that's something maybe I'm going to learn eventually that I should do. But I say you can destroy my peace.

[Paige Lorenze]

But I'll say in criticizing myself, I think if, if you are not, if you are not putting out a narrative about yourself about certain things and certain topics, someone will make it sort of for you.

[Halle]

It's like fiction.

[Paige Lorenze]

Well, there's a lot of that, there's a lot of like lower fake lore and fanfiction. But I think, I think that's something that since I'm not really on tick tock, there's a lot of people are just curious about. I'm a business owner, right. I'm. I've had public relationships. I'm married, marrying a tennis player and.

[Halle]

I think lovely man.

[Paige Lorenze]

A lovely, lovely man. But I think that there's really a lot of just curiousness and there's curiousness in the like there's love curiousness and there's hate curiousness.

[Halle]

You move more mysteriously maybe a little bit.

[Paige Lorenze]

I think on my YouTube I don't. But I think I'm not putting that always that foot out there that is, you know, about my businesses, about who I am as a friend, who I am as a daughter, you know, and, and I think I know and in my real life and in my business, I know who I am. I know, you know, I respect the industry, the people around me. I feel like, like I'm obviously a good person, but that, but I think that always prevails and I think, I think that's what's important. And I know that you sometimes go through these like riffs online, but I think, I think what's important to us and how I get through it and how I know that you get through it is just it. I think it's a lot more hard when people are calling you out for something that you actually are. Right. That hurts a lot more. And that's why I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I've gotten a lot of hate online, but I still, still feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

[Halle]

Because you don't want to be bullied into being inauthentic either, which is something I try to.

[Paige Lorenze]

That is myself. Huge, huge thing happening I think right now.

[Halle]

Cuz people want you to be. It's like you can't win either. It's like you're not being your authentic self or you're being authentic.

[Paige Lorenze]

It's either you're lying to appease to a certain group of people or yeah, I refuse to do that. Well, I love that and I look up to you a lot in that way. I think you're very vulnerable. I think you're very real. I think that's why you have so. Such an amazing community behind you. I think that's why Unwell, you know, had the. The amazing opportunity of even signing you. I think you're a really unique talent. I think you're one of a kind. Obviously speak to me today, but it.

[Halle]

Is the sweetest thing she's ever.

[Paige Lorenze]

But I think it is really hard. And I think also something that people. I mean I think you're. You're die hard girls know this but you're really smart and I think a lot of people maybe because you talk about sex or you're very funny but you're very smart and you're very self aware.

[Halle]

And I need to like the. I definitely lean into different Personas but like behind the scenes I like.

[Paige Lorenze]

But I actually think it's much more challenging. I think it's much more challenging to be so authentic and to say that like is real and sometimes people won't agree with it, but I think that's way more challenging. You need to start a brand. I mean seriously. I've literally tried to sit her down and give her a pitch deck for all the brands that I think she could start. But when you.

[Halle]

You want me to come up with an alcohol brand.

[Paige Lorenze]

A lot of things, that being one of them.

[Halle]

But it would be good. I just think we'll do it together. Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Please call me anytime.

[Halle]

Yeah. But for now, but for now we're doing.

[Paige Lorenze]

I asked. I asked Hallie to be in our campaign that kicks off our Black Friday. It's a drop before Black Friday. It's these. It's this blue milk bottle.

[Halle]

Milk on the ass. This should be your clip art.

[Paige Lorenze]

But yeah, and, and I think. I don't know.

[Halle]

I think so Cozy. Also, I've always been the biggest supporter in your brand.

[Paige Lorenze]

You have been so supportive. You're such a good friend. Something all of you guys should know about. Halle, I truly. I mean I think people know this about you, but you are such a good friend. I. I think I do hold very high standards for my friends. I have a very. I mean I have my childhood friends. So them setting the bar for my friendships is great, but it's also challenging because I have a hard time letting new people in. But you are loyal, you're smart, you're caring. You are so supportive of all your friends. You are present. You're really great. I love you, but this is one of the reasons I've never, like, had someone be in my campaigns before. It's always been models or myself.

[Halle]

No, I think we crushed it.

[Paige Lorenze]

We crushed it.

[Halle]

And also, we look alike in all them. Because we're related.

[Paige Lorenze]

We're related.

[Halle]

Which a lot people don't know about us.

[Paige Lorenze]

We are actually related.

[Halle]

That's crazy.

[Paige Lorenze]

So I found out about this because my mom randomly. It was like a random Tuesday. She goes, you know you're related to Halle, right?

[Halle]

Such a random Tuesday thing to say.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I was like, what?

[Halle]

What do you mean? Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And, you know, I feel like I was expecting, you know, 15th cousin once removed. No, my grandmother's middle name is your last name.

[Halle]

That is so insane to me.

[Paige Lorenze]

So my mom is from Boston. She's from Weston.

[Halle]

Okay.

[Paige Lorenze]

Went to Nobles. And my grandma is a Whitney from Boston, which is like a big Boston family. Yes. And yeah, let me.

[Halle]

My dad's grandmother.

[Paige Lorenze]

Let's call my mom from Milton.

[Halle]

It's some connection there.

[Paige Lorenze]

We're calling the Nance Conanzia.

[Halle]

Hey.

[Paige Lorenze]

Hey, Mommy. Hey, Nance.

[Halle]

Hey.

[Paige Lorenze]

Okay, so can you give us the tea on Halle and I being related?

[Halle]

Okay, so.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, she's ready. She's ready.

[Halle]

I got this.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh.

[Halle]

So my mother's name was Margaret Bachelder. Whitney.

[Paige Lorenze]

Her mother. That part is. Was a bachelor. That was her maiden name. Wait, so.

[Halle]

And her mother was Margaret Bachelder before she got married. Wait, so we're like third cousins?

[Paige Lorenze]

No. Second cousin cousins.

[Halle]

No, I think it's third. Because, remember, we. Because there's me in between.

[Paige Lorenze]

Right?

[Halle]

That's when you start getting cousins.

[Paige Lorenze]

Crazy Mom.

[Halle]

Yeah, I know.

[Paige Lorenze]

It's.

[Halle]

It's insane.

[Paige Lorenze]

We should do. That's why the jawline.

[Halle]

No, that's why we're snapped. But we also get a lot of injections.

[Paige Lorenze]

I don't have jawline injections. Clocking. Oh, you don't? No. Master Botox? No. Never. Never.

[Halle]

No, I do. Sorry. She doesn't claim it, but I do.

[Paige Lorenze]

I did get filler ones right here.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Paige Lorenze]

But it kind of made me look like Handsome Squidward, so I did dissolve it.

[Halle]

Oh, my God. That was like my whole. Whole thing on Reddit was Handsome Squidward. I kind of loved it.

[Paige Lorenze]

We've both been called Handsome Squidward. Sorry, Mom. We're still here.

[Halle]

Right, so that's the.

[Paige Lorenze]

That's the connection.

[Halle]

Very cool. I love it. That's my blood right there. Goodbye, Mom.

[Paige Lorenze]

Bye, Mommy.

[Halle]

I love her.

[Paige Lorenze]

She's so precious.

[Halle]

Wait, that is actually insane, though.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait, so we're. Yeah, we're related.

[Halle]

We're related. But, you know, it's weird. We did never cross paths in New York City. You know what's scary?

[Paige Lorenze]

I left. I left. I left New York.

[Halle]

I know. And I want to talk about that because. Why did you leave me? Everyone else.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

You know what I think, cousin?

[Paige Lorenze]

I love the family. I think that being a creator is a really interesting job. And I know that you feel like all the things that come with that. The. The feeling weird about your purpose, the feeling unfulfilled, the feeling like, what am I even doing? What am I? You know, it's a really odd job. And I think I struggled with that and I struggled with the content that I was putting out when I lived here. And I felt like, you know, while I did feel like I was doing what I was supposed to be doing, which is creating and building a brand and then building a business, I didn't feel like it was the brand and the business that I actually wanted to build. So I thought about it, and it was pretty clear to me where I needed to go and what I needed to do.

[Halle]

And it so aligns with where the whole. Yeah, brand's gone.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think I was just interested in being more authentic. I think I was living in New York feeling inauthentic, feeling like, whether it was, you know, all I was really doing was shopping or getting my hair done or creating content that didn't really inspire me. And I think I. I'm really good at recognizing when I'm going down a bad thing.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Or a bad path. And also when I was getting hate online, I was also going through, like, some public relationships, which are always challenging. But I think when I looked at myself in the mirror, I wasn't really aligned with that person in my, like, spirit and my. My who I really was.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think that was really hard. And I think I'm a big believer. And you have to be your best self advocate. And I took it really seriously. And I. I also, like, I've. Even when I was down bad, crashing out in New York, I always would have bet on myself. Like, even when I had no confidence, I still had confidence in that. Like, if I put myself in an optimal position to succeed, I can do something great because I know what it takes to be great. And I think I knew that I was never going to be great in New York, and I left and it, like, all flourished. And I mean, I'm still working on, you know, myself and things. And I mean, my life isn't perfect, but I mean, you've known me since before I was a creator through a lot of errors. Yeah. And I think I'm like, actually really happy and I actually feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, influencing what I'm supposed to be influencing. Also just like a level of authenticity in what I'm doing.

[Halle]

Yeah. I've seen you through like, so many phases of like, self discovery and it's been really fun to see because I do remember, you know, I've just seen you like, kind of go this through this like, windy path. And it's so nice to see you. Like, I feel like you feel at home now and you're with your person 100.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think, I think something else that's underestimated is doing that self discovery. And while, you know, your 20s, being documented online, you know, is challenging.

[Halle]

Yeah. You make a lot of mistakes. And you make a lot of mistakes. That's where your 20s are.

[Paige Lorenze]

Of course, I mean, right. We all go through those phases and things and date. Some of us publicly, some of us not. But I don't regret any of those things. Even if I did make a mistake or I did, you know, get three syringes of filler on my lips and then have to dissolve them all. Like, I. Although I look back at pictures and I'm like, who the was that? I do the same crazy. But like, I don't actually regret any of that. And it's character building. It's character building, but it's also like, I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Like, I get like shredded online for these like, old pictures of me. And I'm still like, yeah, clock it. Like, okay, it's just like part of the building blocks.

[Halle]

But like, look where you are.

[Paige Lorenze]

Part of the building blocks. I was like, I'm not scared to dive full, like two feet into anything. Like, if I'm doing something, I'm doing it.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, if I'm doing New York, I'm doing New York. If I'm doing Connecticut, I'm doing Connecticut. And it's why I think I'm successful in business because it's like, I'm not half assing anything.

[Halle]

And I think your audience feels that, which is why I feel like you've built such a, a strong community of people because they're like, oh, if she's doing this, she's like 100% in.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Like 10 toes down. Yeah. And I think that's.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. And I, I think that's how life should be. And it's so exhilarating as a woman, like getting on a meeting or getting on a zoom call with a brand that I'm collaborating with in a partnership or a business venture. People know that I am fudgeing serious.

[Halle]

I know.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, and when I say I'm going to start something, that I'm going to do it and if I'm going to put my back into something, it's probably going to work. And although people like, you know, the critics, like, oh, it's just a merch brand.

[Halle]

Can we talk about the.

[Paige Lorenze]

But like, I'm like, I'm running like a massive business and. Sorry.

[Podcast Host]

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[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Like.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Can you explain that a little bit?

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. So I always wanted to start a brand. I think, you know, I, at a very young age working in retail saw, even before I think large corporations saw the value in Instagram. And I knew that that was going to be new age marketing. So I knew that if I developed a following, I could eventually develop a community, that I could eventually develop a brand. And I didn't have a full fledged idea of what that would be. And I think that is something I do want to like, you know, lend to and give light to in this conversation is that I didn't have a full idea of what, you know, Dairy Boy was gonna be necessarily. I mean, I didn't even know my brand was going to be called Dairy Boy. It just happened that way. But I knew I wanted to start a brand and I think it's way more important to get your idea out there and start something, even if it's not perfect than it is to like sit on something. And, and because if I didn't start Dairy Boy and do it, I would be sort of like a step behind in a way because there are so many people starting brands now. And I'm not saying if you were watching this and you want to start a brand, start a brand, it's the best thing I ever did. But like I listened to my gut at a very young age and like now I have like a very successful.

[Halle]

Large business you also like, which I respect. You listen to like any little critique that is made on any of your drops and then you go, okay, I'm gonna take that, I'm gonna make it just that much better.

[Paige Lorenze]

Of course.

[Halle]

And that's, I think that's why it's been able to flourish and make.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, definitely And I think also, like, I'm very realistic. Like, I know what I'm selling and I know what I'm doing. And I think in the beginning, when it was camo hats and I was printing on blanks that were not mine, they weren't a cut and sew garment, um, it was. It was just, like, a community thing. And it was be a part of this, because this is what I want to be building. I also feel like I was making camo at a time that it wasn't, like, cool like it is now. And I knew, you know, I knew that there was this interesting intersection with masculine things, with a woman's touch, and in this, like, American, tangible, outdoorsy thing that, like, you know, you might steal your dad's hunting jacket or your dad's sweatshirt or your dad's Carhartt jacket.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

But then you might crop it. And I think there's something really, like, sexy and cool about that. And I. That's what I did when I was younger. My ski jackets, my gear that I wore, whether it was skiing, hiking, hunting, I felt like I was making it hot in a way when I wore it. And I feel like there were no brands designing into that specifically, like, sport and fashion. I've always been interested in sport and fashion. And when I started with camo with Dairy Boy and just, like, outdoor gear, that was the vision. I also worked at a ski shop, so I worked at a ski shop where they were selling men's gear to women. And I thought there was nothing hotter than that. Like, there is nothing hotter than a woman.

[Halle]

I mean, I love the same thing.

[Paige Lorenze]

I know. That's why I wanted you to be in this campaign. Like, there's nothing hotter than a woman, like, a true woman wearing something mensy.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

I mean, we're seeing fashion brings across the board, lean into sport and into menswear in general. But that was a part of my upbringing.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

So I leaned into that with Dairy Boy. Even before I had connections in the garment manufacturing world. Again, I had the idea before I had the infrastructure. So I was printing on blanks. I was. You know, someone made a video of it, like, peeling off. I was like, yeah, no, like, I'm literally getting this. I'm buying this blank and shipping it out of my garage. Like, you know, and. But I wasn't gonna start somewhere, but I wasn't scared of that. And. And I wasn't scared to learn. And now all of the connections that I have built are mine. Like, I bootstrapped the whole business. Like, Yeah. I Made some mistakes. But like now the quality of our garments is amazing. Our price is amazing. We have two in house designers, production person, merchandising person. Like nothing is drop shipped. We are doing the work. And everyone who actually buys our products that is not like a bot online saying that our quality is shit. If you buy our products, you know it's quality. Yeah, I can sleep at night knowing that. And to be honest, we have 200000 people on our site per drop. We're selling out over sometimes 30000 units.

[Halle]

In the pop ups we have.

[Paige Lorenze]

But like, but like I have, I have hundreds of thousands of cappy customers and hundreds of thousands of direct feedback from people who are actually supporting my brand. I'm stoked. Like I go to sleep at night and I'm like, I'm happy with that because also I've, I've hired an insane team around me. I mean even Rachel, who's in the room with me, my cbo.

[Halle]

I love Rachel.

[Paige Lorenze]

I, you know, she was a big part of my life at WME and my literally ran my whole business at wme. I scooped her up and she's a part of my team. I have a new CEO. I have a design director. Like, also like you are only are as good as your team and like I'm building this like the level of people I'm putting around me. It's just like the sky is the limit for me.

[Halle]

I feel like I watch you do that and I'm like, oh, here we go, we're about to level up again. 100.

[Paige Lorenze]

But I love like, I love leveling up on myself. Like the sky is the limit. I have incredibly, I'm an incredibly ambitious person. And when you're really ambitious, I think this is also maybe a misconception about me. I do block people online a lot. Like truly, I love the block, but I love blocking. I've gotten tagged in so many videos being like, Paige, Lauren's blocked me online. Like you probably did reason. But by the way, by the way, I am never blocking people off or like off of if they like a post about whatever. Like, I'm just blocking. I'm just blocking if I see something that I think is sideways. Like if I think you're sus, I'm blocking. But I think there's a misconception that I don't take criticism well. And I think in the beginning of my career as an empath, it was really hard for me because I'm really like, even when I do misstep, I'm Always, like, trying to do the right thing.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

I've not been perfect and like, I've not handled situations perfectly, but, like, I'm really always trying to do the right thing. And I'm the first person to apologize if I do something. Like, that's not me. Like, I would.

[Halle]

You've learned from every one of those.

[Paige Lorenze]

Of course. But like, people. But the cr. Like the. The Any criticism I actually think is really good and interesting and it's a good conversation to have.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think, like, I'm not deterred by that because my business is doing so well and it's been proven to me that, like, there can be 110 videos made about my business and the quality being bad and my sales will be up.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, those bots don't actually matter. Which I also think is an important thing for you to know because you're not selling goods. Like, I'm selling goods. So I have, like, very interesting analytical data of, like, how hate affects business. And I can firmly tell you hate. The hate that I've gotten has never impacted my business once. The confidence that I get is from what I'm actually building. Because I think what's hard about Instagram and TikTok and even a podcast, it's not always tangible. Right.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, it's not physical goods that you're moving. It's like eyeballs. So some of yous.

[Halle]

And conversation.

[Paige Lorenze]

So it doesn't feel as real sometimes. And I think what's really grounded me is, like, people that don't like me or think that I'm whatever they've. Whatever version of myself they've made up about me. But I am. I am succeeding in business and I'm getting.

[Halle]

You're a good person and like.

[Paige Lorenze]

Right. But I'm also getting through to people.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

That. That's all that matters. Like, if the majority of the people are feeling good for me and want my product and want to be a part of the dairy boy world, like, I can live with the, like, 10 that, you know, don't love me.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think that that's why I always encourage you to, like, start a. I mean, you are. I mean, this is a brand, but starting a business and being an entrepreneur.

[Halle]

Yeah. I think I'm in a little bit of a different, like, phase of whatever. Right.

[Paige Lorenze]

I've been doing this for like, six.

[Halle]

Years for, like, a lot longer than most people have. I always, like, consider you like, an.

[Paige Lorenze]

O. I've been in the game for a long time.

[Halle]

You were like, the game like, it was like you and like, it's true, but.

[Paige Lorenze]

No, I appreciate that, but I'm excited to, like, keep pushing even you to expand. What it means to be a brand owner and a business owner.

[Halle]

No, I know. And I always come to you for advice on everything that could be, like, very little to any little thing. I'm like, wait, how do I handle this situation? You've always never been wrong about all your.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, I love that. I also think you have a very good support system around you. Like, I'm very grateful for my family and my parents. Yeah, they were doctors. But, like, my mom has been a huge part of my life. My dad has been a huge part of my life. I know you're very close with your parents. You have great, hard working, successful parents. And I think you are. This is just the beginning for you. And I think that even. I mean, I think your dad would even be an asset to like, helping you grow. No.

[Halle]

Yeah. Whatever it is we've discussed, he's going to come on the pot eventually.

[Paige Lorenze]

I cannot believe he hasn't been on.

[Halle]

And like, the fact that I talk the half the stuff I talk about, like, is kind of, like, outlandish and out of pocket. He's just like, so supportive. He's like, get that money. Like, make it like. He's just like, like. Well, I also think whatever.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, you know what it is. I also think he has a sense of humor.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think that you do that so well. And I think sometimes maybe people are like, don't get the gag of it all.

[Halle]

No. People, like, think I'm like, not. It's not clocking to me.

[Paige Lorenze]

It's not clocking to you.

[Halle]

But it's me. It is clocking to me that I'm standing on business. You just don't know. Yeah. I portrayed this like, kind of like dumb character.

[Paige Lorenze]

You're one of the smartest people that I know.

[Halle]

Oh, my God, that's so sweet.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Can we talk about your WAG stuff.

[Paige Lorenze]

For a little bit? Sure. You being.

[Halle]

Obviously, you're getting married to Tommy Paul.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yes.

[Halle]

The most amazing, sweetest man ever.

[Paige Lorenze]

But I feel like sweetest man other.

[Halle]

Than your business, cuz I feel like your b. Business is the majority of what you're doing. This is like a small percent, but an important percent.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Of what you're doing.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

How has that looked?

[Paige Lorenze]

It's been really cool, cuz I feel.

[Halle]

Like you are elevating in that world too.

[Paige Lorenze]

Definitely.

[Halle]

You're the wag.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. It's so cool to see so many fashionable, interesting women around this sports space. I mean, even in tennis, there are so many hard working, amazing women. F1 football. Such a fan of. Honestly, what everyone is doing around sport. I think what's been really cool for me is I was a ski racer. So I went to a boarding school, a ski racing academy and sport. I was like, that's who I was when I was younger. So being able to still have that be a part of my life, which I think really has made me who I am today. Yeah. Still be a part of my life is really cool. And then to be able to make it a part of my content is even cooler. And also since I am living this Connecticut life where I'm not dressing up very often, I think it's been a really nice avenue for me to add layers to my content of. I'm really only getting dressed up when I go to tennis. So it's, I think again, it's like a layer of my business.

[Halle]

Is there any like way where like your aesthetic with Dairy Boy and the style you choose to dress up for these events, they overlap in any way?

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, I think that's what's really cool about Dairy Boy is it's. It's not just one thing.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

It's. It's a girl who will be at the barn on Friday getting her hands dirty, but then on Monday she's at Wimbledon wearing Chanel.

[Halle]

Yeah. Because then you do a specific piece for. Yeah, yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

I just have fun with what I do and I don't really put myself in a box. And I think that women are really capable. Women are really capable of being both things. And I think in a world of very hyper assessed aesthetic, Pinterest, clean girl, rich girl, old money, it's way more authentic and interesting to be a lot of different things. And I think I grew up, you know, my mom played tennis. I grew up in Nantucket. I grew up in New England. So the sort of country club tennis courtside style is not unfamiliar to me. I would say I grew up a little bit more woodsy and Vermont. But I think it's been really fun to find my personal style through tennis. And Tommy's been so supportive of me creating tennis content. I think I went really all into the tennis content and it was cool. But I also felt like again, when I do something, I like to do it like 110.

[Halle]

You want to make it perfect.

[Paige Lorenze]

I want to make it perfect. It went really well. Honestly, my tennis content like performs the best. Like all my content But I also was sort of, like, to be honest, again, I've said this before, but, like, being a wag is the most. Least interesting thing about me, I think.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think I don't want to make it, like, too much of my personality because it's actually impossible for me to do everything 100%. It's impossible for me to be making the best tennis content, the best entrepreneurial content, being in every campaign for Dairyboy, being a homemaker, being at the barn, like, again, it's like, a lot. So I've sort of, like, been trying to figure out, you know, how to refine that. And also just, like, I care about creating content that's valuable to my community. Like, if they told me, I like your tennis content the best, it's super aspirational for me. I love the fashion. I'd be like, you know what? Like, let's do it. Yeah. I'm, like, very. I'm very in tune emotionally, with what they are saying.

[Halle]

What do you think? Like, the people that follow you like to see the most out of you. I think you have, like, a lot of hobbies.

[Paige Lorenze]

I do have a lot of hobbies. I'm like, a professional hobby.

[Halle]

And then you're, like, barebacking on some horse and then you're making pasta. I'm like, what is going on? Like, I don't know.

[Paige Lorenze]

I know I get up and walk to the bathroom, but I think. I think people can tell when you're being authentic.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

But that's challenging because authentically, I actually am interested in all these things. So to be honest, I think, like.

[Halle]

You were turning butter on a TikTok.

[Paige Lorenze]

It was.

[Halle]

It was like, how.

[Paige Lorenze]

I think for me, and this is just, like, my point of view. I wish, like, I don't know. I don't have the perfect answer for this, but I think. I think that I am showing, or I would like to think that I'm showing a different sort of feminism. That is, you can live a soft life where you like to cook, where you like to garden, where you like to take care of your husband or your significant other. Yeah. But you are also an entrepreneur and a business owner. You're also financially independent and you can do both. And I think that that is not really being shown. And I think that that is, at the core why my content does really well at home.

[Halle]

Because you work hard. 24, 7.

[Paige Lorenze]

I work a 9 to 5.

[Halle]

But you also.

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm in the office.

[Halle]

Catering.

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm in the office all week working a desk job.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

A Lot of people also don't know that about me, but I think it's showing, like, a different life for women. I think a lot of us, especially from New England, you become a lawyer or you work at a bank, or you work, you know, whatever deemed successful. You work at a agency or, you know, there's a lot of different routes for what deemed to be like, a successful woman. And I think I showed that you could be a successful woman and it can look different and that you can be a business owner but live in the suburbs. And I think I lean into being authentic and being what I. Doing what I actually wanted to do.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

And I think that that resonated with people because I think our idea of like, what's successful is living in New York and grinding it out.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

You know, like, we're in a, a society where I think being a boss woman is. We're in that like, sort of era.

[Halle]

Where it's like, people are like, supporting like a CEO is what they call.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. And I think that that's really cool because I actually do think women are like, dominating business in like a way we never seen before, but it doesn't look one way. And also you can want a traditional life and also be, you know, progressive and be a, like, you can be.

[Halle]

That soft, like, girlfriend, whatever.

[Paige Lorenze]

Right. That, like, you know, the whole trad wife thing I also find really interesting and sort of offensive to a lot of women. Not everyone, but like Nara Smith, like, I've met her, she is on set modeling for Fendi and Tory Burch and all these high end brands while also cooking and raising 5, 10 kids while also having 7 cameras, cooking while also buying her house. Like, there's just so much more. And I think, I think we need to give women more credit that are creating content that are also living traditionally, that it's a, it's a choice. And we should also, like, celebrate people who want to live the way they want to live.

[Halle]

This is what I was talking about recently too, because I feel like society, like when you hit certain ages, you feel like you should be settling down. And I've been. You've have. You know me for like, how many years? I've been single the whole time. Like, I am not in a rush to like.

[Paige Lorenze]

And you should man.

[Halle]

And then like, be like, okay, I'm 28. Like, this is the guy I'm seeing. Like, we should get engaged. We should move.

[Paige Lorenze]

No, but you're authentic. You're on your own path.

[Halle]

Yes.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

And I think that being on your own path is a lot more powerful than the latter.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like, you know, 100%. I think whether it's you're seeing someone who's already married, having kids and you feel behind, or you're seeing someone working at Morgan Stanley and you feel behind, feeling that is such a thief of.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Like we are all in our own calling. And I think the most important thing to do is figure out what success means to you and go after that. And that looks different for everyone. And I think we follow so many creators now. It's sort of hypocritical for me because I am a creator who wants you. I want you to engage with my content. But like if my content isn't for you, unfollow me. Right. Like it block me that part. But like if find your people and I think cultivate like actually what success means to you and not just what. What it means to me or what it means to you. Yeah. Like we have to be individuals because that's the only thing that separates us 100%. And if we cannot find that, you will never be happy.

[Halle]

Comparison is a thief of joy.

[Paige Lorenze]

That part, that clock that.

[Halle]

All right, let's talk about your engagement.

[Paige Lorenze]

Okay.

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

I did, I did.

[Halle]

Are you excited? Anything you can tell us on that?

[Paige Lorenze]

Some wedding tea?

[Halle]

Some wedding tea?

[Paige Lorenze]

Some wedding tea. I was actually talking to my mom about this today. I was thinking about asking people to be in my wedding. You being one of them, obviously.

[Halle]

I hope so. But.

[Paige Lorenze]

You'Re like, this was. This was like the. The trade off.

[Halle]

Yeah, make that. Yeah, put that in the promo.

[Paige Lorenze]

But asking people to be my wedding at my bachelorette, like, if.

[Halle]

I don't know, it's a difficult thing.

[Paige Lorenze]

But then I was like, but I want so many people to be at my bachelorette even if they're not in the wedding.

[Halle]

I think that's okay. I've been recently hearing that people want to do that. Inviting a bunch of people to your.

[Paige Lorenze]

Bachelor, how fun is that?

[Halle]

But like not putting everyone in your.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wedding right, that's so fun. I don't know. I'm. I'm. I don't know. Honestly, the wedding process has been not stressful at all.

[Halle]

Well, have you really thought of it? Do you have anything booked?

[Paige Lorenze]

I got everything down to the grass. Like some. Do you even know me? Oh, it's coming.

[Halle]

Do you want like a big wedding? Small wedding? Do you know where you.

[Paige Lorenze]

Would you consider my wedding big or small?

[Halle]

I don't know even know what. For the general masses, it's considered a large wedding. But I think knowing you and Tommy, I think it's as tight knit as you could possibly make it.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, like, I'm not inviting anyone to my wedding that I wouldn't want to have lunch with. I think that is.

[Halle]

I think that should be a goal for everyone.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, I think that's great. I think it's a good thing. I also just like, we're also inviting people that we're running kind of like everyone that we love, but we want it to be a big party. Like, I love parties. Not clubs, not bars. I mean, that's fun, but like love, like a band, I love a dance. Like, you see me, I Can you.

[Halle]

Say this Partying with Paige is the funnest thing I've ever done ever. And people don't see the side tour ever often. But going out with Paige is like sometimes I can't keep up. She's the most fun person go with ever.

[Paige Lorenze]

I love to dance.

[Halle]

Like the friends giving you almost try to cancel.

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm not. Yeah, I'm not canceling it. I'm not canceling it. I have a friends giving watch. I have a friendsgiving every year. And I tried to cancel it this year cuz I was feeling a little bit overwhelmed. But H said nope.

[Halle]

I said nope. We have to go to Sea Grape.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. I love to dance. I love a dance. Like I'm going to be dancing with the gays.

[Halle]

We love the gays.

[Paige Lorenze]

Honestly, I only want to go out with gays.

[Halle]

It's gays and girls.

[Paige Lorenze]

I have more gay friends than girlfriends.

[Halle]

Everyone I know, my producer's gay. Like everyone in my circle is gay.

[Paige Lorenze]

They're just superior.

[Halle]

Marshall.

[Paige Lorenze]

They're superior. They're superior.

[Halle]

No, they're superior and just no drama.

[Paige Lorenze]

But also aura, check. Dancing, check. Vibes, music, check. I mean, I really can't ask for more.

[Halle]

They smell nice.

[Paige Lorenze]

They're perfect.

[Halle]

They're perfect. Human being. I think I'm a gay man and a woman body.

[Paige Lorenze]

Enough talk. I think I might be too. Sorry. Tommy.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Are you.

[Halle]

But are you excited? Are you nervous? Are you scared?

[Paige Lorenze]

I'm so excited. I obviously feel like I'm marrying the love of my life. And he's perfect. And so perfect also. I mean, again, if this is just like this is for the girls, if you are especially, I mean, obviously it's important either way. But if you want to be an entrepreneur or you own a business or you're doing anything that involves owning, like having a business, the person you pick to marry is the most important choice you'll ever make in your life. Yeah. I mean, even on the other side of things, on like the corporate world, I mean, I know Rachel, who's my CBO would say the same thing. If you are career driven as a woman and you don't. Or a guy and you don't have a partner that supports that, it's very challenging.

[Halle]

Would you ever go into business with Tommy?

[Paige Lorenze]

I. Well, I. You know what? No. Well, no. But he is a part of my businesses. Like, there is not a thing that goes by that I don't ask him his opinion on. Even though he is like, respectfully, bless his heart, he's not like a very business Minded person. But that. That is even more valuable to me, like.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, you don't really know what you're talking about. Oh, you're not, like, in the weeds of business and you have this perspective.

[Halle]

Third party perspective.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. Like, it's. It's. Honestly, I value his opinion more than anyone. Yeah, he's very simple. He's very humble. And he's not, like, so engulfed in pop culture and, like, brands and the brand.

[Halle]

You needed that.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

You need someone that was like, I don't really care.

[Paige Lorenze]

No, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He doesn't know what simple Florida guy he is so simple. And. But it's. But to be honest, Dairy boy's roots, like, are that, like, 100 simple, good pleasures of life.

[Halle]

And, like, fishing.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah. And, like, the outdoorsy, the emotion that, like, grittiness. But also, like, he embodies my brand in ways, like, more than even me. I mean, I do embody the brand, but you know what I'm saying? Like, he's just like the purest form of like. Of like a man in a way.

[Halle]

He's just the nicest human being ever.

[Paige Lorenze]

He is. And he's. He's like a good, good person. He's humble, he's hardworking. He's American, but in, like, a very fresh, you know, amazing way. He's. He loves where he's from. He loves playing for his country. Like, yeah, he's all the things that I embody as a person and then as a brand. So his. His. His opinion is so valued by me. So I ask him about everything. Even if he, like, throws me a curveball, I'm like, okay, that's, like, interesting information. Can we switch glasses?

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Locking in.

[Halle]

Oh, you look kind. You always look con. I have, like, a sexual crush on page any. This next segment, we're doing listener questions, and I'm gonna ask you. Or basically, people submitted some questions for both of us, and let's just go through, like, four of them because we've really been talking a lot, which I love. We've been saying, yeah, I'm gonna say it. And then let's both give our two cents about it. Okay, so the first is top tips for a first date.

[Paige Lorenze]

This might be psychotic, but I kind of view a first date as an interview.

[Halle]

It's like interviewing someone to bone. Right.

[Paige Lorenze]

Okay. Well, that's not necessarily how I view it, but that's one of the things.

[Halle]

Well, you're gonna.

[Paige Lorenze]

Chemistry.

[Halle]

Yes.

[Paige Lorenze]

Chemistry, check. Vibe check.

[Halle]

How long do you think you should.

[Paige Lorenze]

Be At a first date, if it's going bad. 30 minutes.

[Halle]

Have you ever, like, dipped out on a first date?

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, but not. Not. Not, like a bathroom skirt out. But, like, yes.

[Halle]

Like, you're, like, icling after this.

[Paige Lorenze]

I've skipped dessert. Let's just.

[Halle]

I haven't been on date in so long. Gypsy, Gypsy with gypsy and the motherfucking gypsy. Yay.

[Paige Lorenze]

Clink, clink.

[Halle]

Yeah.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait. One, two, three. Let's do. Let's do the crossover. Okay. My mom literally asked me. You're not getting drunk for this podcast, are you? Like, no. Why? Do you think you can look over a little bit? All right, next question up now.

[Halle]

Wait, but, like, I'm so glad you did.

[Paige Lorenze]

I did what?

[Halle]

No, like, I'm glad I got, like, silly goosey with me.

[Paige Lorenze]

Do I need more lip gloss?

[Halle]

Do I need more lip filler?

[Paige Lorenze]

No. Halle.

[Halle]

Do you think I look better without the lip filler?

[Paige Lorenze]

Halle. Yes? Can I have a moment? Yeah. There have been some videos about me of people going before and after. No one's ever done that with Halle.

[Halle]

They should, though, because, honestly, I want them to see my improvement.

[Paige Lorenze]

No one's ever done that with you because you look the goddamn same.

[Halle]

I looked like Godzilla.

[Paige Lorenze]

No, Halle, you've always looked locked.

[Halle]

Tea?

[Paige Lorenze]

No.

[Halle]

All right, this is what I was showing you before.

[Paige Lorenze]

Also, I just want to say she's lying. Am I. Am I not allowed to, like, glow up a little bit?

[Halle]

No. Literally, clock it. Clock it.

[Paige Lorenze]

Get lip filler if you look like Halle.

[Halle]

Also, you know, you did to a lot of girls, which I will say help. You went bleach blonde. And I think it ruined a lot of girls heads.

[Paige Lorenze]

I think I owe a lot of girls compensation.

[Halle]

Yeah. With Olaplex, you should be getting.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

Including me, because, like, that's, like, another thing. You were like, the blondes, like, Paige Lorenz. And I was like, I want to be blonde, like Peach Lorenz. And then, to be honest, had a mullet.

[Paige Lorenze]

I. I had a mullet, too. Wait.

[Halle]

Holly bash all their job.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait, what?

[Halle]

Yeah. And you were like, you're so t. Holly liar.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait. But also, like, let's roll up some pics of me, because I was also looking in front of, like, a vampire back in my day. Whoa. When I was, like, 15, I was literally face pic monkeying my pictures. You remember Pick monkey. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know what is Pikmin if you know Pigmonkey. You know, I was literally editing my photos back in the day. Like, I've been the serial editor. I was Editing. I don't anymore. I was. No, not yet. Not as much. I was editing myself so skinny, and someone, like, made me bigger and then is circulating this photo of me for, like, Paige Lauren's before and after. First of all, you tried to make me bigger, and I. I think I still look kind of cute. But, like, I have to say, I thought I was Megan Fox. Like, I'm not even gonna lie. This picture that people are trying to, like, clock me for. Like, I thought I was so t. In this picture afterwards, I look like a vampire, but I thought I was giving Megan Fox and Jennifer's body. But. But do I look very different than I do today? Yes. And then that we. Thank God.

[Halle]

No, thank God.

[Paige Lorenze]

Thank God. You know, you haven't had a glove since high school. Help.

[Halle]

Yeah, if. Yeah, if you literally look the same since high school. Like, literally. Praise Jesus. Also, I looked really hot in high school, though.

[Paige Lorenze]

Halle, you were so.

[Halle]

That was my best.

[Paige Lorenze]

I had a crush on you in high school. Halle had this brunette bombshell. Victoria's Secret highlighted Carmel. I said no eyebrows, but you were tan. You had gorgeous hair. You were tall. You had a good personality. I had a crush on you. I wanted to be your friend.

[Halle]

But.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, these. That tried to before and after me. You've known me since that day. Since that. That era.

[Halle]

No, you've gone through so many eras.

[Paige Lorenze]

But you remember me back, and I.

[Halle]

Can'T even talk about all of them, but.

[Paige Lorenze]

But, like, it. I think people make it seem worse than it actually was.

[Halle]

No, like, you weren't that. I think this is your most beautiful self, though.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah.

[Halle]

And when I put extensions back in, I will be my most beautiful self. But people, they're gonna be darker extensions.

[Paige Lorenze]

But what I'm gonna say. People think that I got, like, a face transplant.

[Halle]

If you got a face transplant, people would be begging for your surgeon.

[Paige Lorenze]

I.

[Halle]

Who? Like what? Who's clocking for that?

[Paige Lorenze]

Some people. But it's okay.

[Halle]

All right. How soon is it? And I'm giving you a foot massage now. How soon is it? Too soon to ask a guy. Wait, what?

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait, Can I sit with you? Get cozy. Okay.

[Halle]

Go on. Here.

[Paige Lorenze]

Oh, I like this one.

[Halle]

Okay.

[Paige Lorenze]

If you could be a guy for a day, what would you do?

[Halle]

I would so many. I'm not even kidding. I would whip my dick out. And. Is that bad?

[Paige Lorenze]

No, it's good.

[Halle]

I want to see what it feels like. I want to feel like a boner.

[Paige Lorenze]

That's fair.

[Halle]

What would you do? You'd probably go to, like, a private Equity forum and pitch yourself.

[Paige Lorenze]

That's so true. You would.

[Halle]

You would try to sell business?

[Paige Lorenze]

I would, yeah. What would I actually do? I want to give, like, a really real answer.

[Halle]

I would just, like, pee in a urinal.

[Paige Lorenze]

Yeah, I think that would be first stop. I would love to go to a sporting event as a man. That sounds so fun and, like, beat on my chest and, like, yell for a sports team.

[Halle]

I would love to cruise up club.

[Paige Lorenze]

I do. We do that anyways, though, It's. I feel like being at a strip club is more fun when you're. When you're a girl.

[Halle]

I do, too. It's, like, very, like, girl, like, on girl, like, like we're supporting our career. Once I gave a stripper my dad's real estate email because she wanted to get into real estate, and she told me that when she was giving me lap dance in Vegas.

[Paige Lorenze]

How soon is too soon to ask what you are with a guy? Let me. Let me bring you real close on this one. Do not ask a man ever what you are. If you have to ask, run niche beauty tips. We're not that niche. I use road. I'm, like, literally the most basic you'll ever meet. I use road skincare.

[Halle]

It's hurt smooth, though. Thank you.

[Paige Lorenze]

I use road skincare. I like makeup by Mario. Yeah, I'm not niche.

[Halle]

I like in beauty products.

[Paige Lorenze]

I love in beauty.

[Halle]

In beauty, though.

[Paige Lorenze]

They're thick. Cream. Extreme cream.

[Halle]

Extreme cream.

[Paige Lorenze]

Just like us. We're so excited.

[Halle]

Okay, we need to wrap up this episode.

[Paige Lorenze]

Wait, we need to plug the Dairy Boy stuff.

[Halle]

We did that. Oh, we can do it again, though. Go ahead.

[Paige Lorenze]

Bye, everyone. Shop the Dairy Boy drop if you're cool. Let's say blue milk bottle drops Friday. No, let's just say at the same time. Blue milk bottle drops Friday. Ready? Blue milk bottle drops Friday. What help. It goes. You're also starting a new brand.

[Halle]

Your sunglasses brand.

[Paige Lorenze]

I am starting a sunglasses brand, but don't get distracted by that. By the drop tomorrow.

[Halle]

Let's end this. All right, Paige, I love you. Thank you.

[Paige Lorenze]

I love you.

[Halle]

You're my sleep cousins. Anyways, like, subscribe, comment, and I love you all. Say bye.

[Paige Lorenze]

Bye. Subscribe to me and follow me.

[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Paige Lorenze]

Cut the camera.

[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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[Paige Lorenze]

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[Halle]

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