Mailbag 📨CBB fantasy draft; extend the season; should computers replace selection committee; how fast can Parrish run a mile?

Summary

Eye On College Basketball – Episode: Mailbag 📨CBB Fantasy Draft; Extend the Season; Should Computers Replace Selection Committee; How Fast Can Parrish Run a Mile?
Release Date: May 6, 2025

In this engaging mailbag episode of Eye On College Basketball, hosts Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander delve into a variety of listener-submitted questions, offering insightful commentary and lively discussions on topics ranging from fantasy drafts to the future of NCAA tournament selections. Skipping over advertisements and introductory banter, the hosts focus on delivering a content-rich conversation tailored for both long-time fans and newcomers to the podcast.

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1. Welcoming the Mailbag Format

The episode kicks off with Gary Parrish introducing the mailbag format, highlighting it as an off-season edition where listeners' questions take center stage.

Gary Parrish [02:09]: "Welcome back to the CBS Sports I own College Basketball podcast... let's get into it today."

Matt Norlander confirms the setup and hints at the diverse range of questions they will tackle.

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2. Fantasy Draft Showdown

One of the standout segments features a fantasy draft between Gary and Matt, where they each build a hypothetical college basketball team by selecting players, coaches, and mascots. This playful competition showcases their knowledge of emerging talent and favorite coaching figures.

• Gary’s Picks:

  • Player: J.T. Toppin [19:58]
  • Coach: Rick Pitino [26:53]
  • Mascot: Fighting Camels [27:30]

• Matt’s Picks:

  • Players: AJ Debancer, Braden Smith, Cameron Boozer, Donovan Dent, Jaden Quaintance [19:58–25:24]
  • Coach: Kelvin Sampson [26:46]
  • Mascot: Cosmo the Cougar [27:44]

Their selections spark a friendly debate, underscoring their strategic approaches and personal preferences.

Matt Norlander [19:58]: "I'm going to go with BYU freshman AJ Debancer... and then I'll go with Purdue's Braden Smith."

Gary Parrish [27:30]: "I think we're gonna be the Gary Parrish University Fighting Camels."

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3. Listener Questions and In-Depth Discussions

The heart of the episode revolves around listener-submitted questions, each sparking detailed analysis and passionate dialogue.

a. Extending the College Basketball Season

A listener named Robbie from Liverpool, England, inquires about the possibility of extending the college basketball season and standardizing the number of league games across Power 5 conferences.

Matt Norlander [34:31]: "I don't think the sport is aching for [an extended season], and we're just not going to get there."

Gary delves into the logistics and implications of such changes, expressing skepticism about the necessity and potential consequences.

Gary Parrish [38:26]: "There's too many games involving the best teams that are complete mismatches on the court."

b. Should Computers Replace the Selection Committee?

Another listener, Rob from Indiana, poses a thought-provoking question on whether AI should replace the human selection committee responsible for the NCAA tournament bracket.

Matt Norlander [41:27]: "Absolutely not, not in favor of turning the committee and switching to AI to create the field."

Gary supports the idea of a nuanced approach but ultimately agrees with Matt's stance against a full AI takeover, emphasizing the value of human judgment in the selection process.

Gary Parrish [42:56]: "Being a quote bracketologist is you could teach anybody how to do that."

c. How Fast Can Gary Parrish Run a Mile?

A playful challenge from Aaron prompts Gary to reveal his mile run time, revealing a humorous side as he discusses his running habits (or lack thereof).

Gary Parrish [44:43]: "I genuinely don't know that I've ever been timed running a mile... I'm a walker."

Matt engages in banter, challenging Gary to improve his mile time and highlighting the hosts' camaraderie.

Matt Norlander [48:49]: "I don't think there's any chance in hell you're running a seven minute mile."

d. College Basketball Coaches and Sweet 16 Appearances

Michael from Iowa asks whether any Power 5 conference coaches have spent 15 years without making a Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament. Gary and Matt examine historical data, referencing coaches like Joe Cipriano, and discuss the pressures faced by modern coaches like Tad Boyle of Iowa.

Matt Norlander [29:43]: "Has this ever happened? Yes or no, has a coach ever gone more than 15 years at a single school without a sweet 16 at a high."

Gary adds historical context, illustrating the rarity and significance of such a coaching tenure.

e. Accents and Public Perception

Listener Lori from Boston comments on the perceived differences in Gary’s Southern accent on television versus the podcast, prompting Gary and Matt to discuss how presentation varies across media.

Gary Parrish [55:23]: "I didn’t deliberately try to suppress the Southern accent when I was younger..."

Matt Norlander [55:32]: "Are you faking or embellishing your accent on the podcast? No, not at all."

f. Most Met Profiles Between Coaches

Dana, a Kansas fan, inquires about which two coaches in different conferences have met the most times. Gary correctly identifies Tom Izzo and John Calipari as the pair with the highest number of meetings.

Gary Parrish [57:55]: "Tom Izzo and Greg Campy."

Matt Norlander [58:08]: "You got it."

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4. Additional Insights and Fun Interactions

Throughout the episode, Gary and Matt inject humor and personal anecdotes, discussing topics like Terry Teagle NBA cards, the movie Blue Chips, and sharing their own experiences with running and personal bests. Their lighthearted exchanges, such as debating the feasibility of Gary running a seven-minute mile, add a personable touch to the informative discussions.

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5. Closing Remarks and Final Questions

As the episode nears its end, the hosts address a final question from Rick in Pikeville, Kentucky, about the future of West Miller, a coach whose performance merits serious discussion.

Gary Parrish [63:33]: "It's time to have a real discussion about West Miller."

Matt Norlander [63:05]: "He’s got to make the tournament, period."

They conclude with a reflection on the pressures faced by college basketball coaches and the importance of performance metrics in their careers.

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Notable Quotes

• Matt Norlander [34:31]: "I don't need more bad games in college basketball. We already have too many."

• Gary Parrish [42:56]: "Every time I say this, somebody gets mad at me. But it's just true."

• Matt Norlander [43:04]: "I hope he's still Buddy Buddy with DeAndre Ayton and benefiting from the NBA contract that DeAndre Ayton enjoys."

• Gary Parrish [73:16]: "We have to have it exactly right. Anytime it's time to talk about a coach going forward, it will be time to have a real discussion about that coach."

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Conclusion

This mailbag episode of Eye On College Basketball successfully navigates a myriad of listener questions, providing both depth and entertainment. Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander demonstrate their expertise and passion for college basketball, offering listeners valuable insights while maintaining an engaging and humorous rapport. Whether debating the merits of AI in tournament selections or playfully challenging each other's mile times, the hosts deliver a comprehensive and enjoyable episode that underscores why Eye On College Basketball remains a beloved podcast in the sports community.

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Transcript

[Matt Norlander]

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[Gary Parrish]

Hey there. My name is Gary Peric. Welcome back to the CBS Sports I own College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting, dodo birds and leaky black Matt in Orlando is here with me. If you're watching on YouTube, you know what to do to the like button shouts to Brandon Davies. And if you haven't yet subscribed to the CBS Sports college basketball YouTube channel. Please also do that while you're here. Let's get into it today. According to the calendar, this is what they call a mailbag episode. This is a what they call an off season mailbag episode. Norland, are you ready to conduct an off season mailbag episode?

[Matt Norlander]

It is a mail bag episode. It's a male bag. It is May. Here I am. We're gonna get into the question. Yeah, go ahead.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm just gonna wish you a happy day after Cinco de Mayo.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, thanks. Okay. Just had a wedding anniversary two days ago. You could just wish me a happy.

[Gary Parrish]

Happy wedding anniversary and also happy day after Cinco de Mayo. Let's talk about at once.

[Matt Norlander]

Wife and I have agreed to go travel overseas at some point later this year. I checked in with GP last night. Just a little. Had to check in on some. Some flight advice, a little list, all that, because, you know, we didn't really get too much into it later on the podcast, but it's still. Bothers is not the right word, but I'm still just vexed by the idea that you're so loyal to Delta that you would fly 600 miles in the wrong direction as opposed to just getting to where you need to go. I was talking about this with my wife before we actually wound up talking. We've been talking about on the phone, but it's just. It's still. It's still fascinating to me. You're like, yeah, I'll. I'll just, I'll add some six hours to my trip and go in the completely wrong direction as long as I'm on Delta.

[Gary Parrish]

I went to Lubbock in February. Delta literally does not fly to Lubbock. And I was still considering defying Delta and just like, getting to Dallas and then driving to Lubbock. Like, I. I looked at every option and finally I was like, all right, I guess I'll just do American Airlines, but I'm going to hate it the whole time. And. And I did it. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had conjured up in my head, but I had made. In my head. I had created this nightmare that it was going to be the worst travel experience of my life, simply because it was not Delta. And the truth is, it was fine. Everything was fine. But that's. That is why I'm loyal. Because in my head, nothing else makes sense.

[Matt Norlander]

I hear you on that. I appreciate the advice. We booked it. We'll save those details for another mailbag off season as we get closer. But the flight has been booked and Then we will get into the other details as we get, as we get closer here. Before we get into the questions, we do get plenty of correspondence. We actually did get a question that we're not going to answer here because I don't, I don't really know what the answer would be, but someone named. No, you won't. You can't answer. Okay, see if you can answer this.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm not going to answer anything. Watch this.

[Matt Norlander]

He goes, I really enjoy your podcast. I've been listening close to 10 years and I've lived through the inception of a lot of your recurring jokes and laugh my ass off along the way. I'm nostalgic and I want to revisit those historic moments where we all learned about Brandon Davies, Terry Teagle fighting camels, and especially how many of us there are versus them. But he said, can you point me to which episodes were the greats that I don't know about so I can go back and listen? They're far to find independently. He wants to know this, so go ahead, answer this. What, what episode, what year, what season did we first introduce Brandon Davies, Terry Teagle, Larnell, all of them? You want to answer it? Yeah, go ahead, GP Yeah, I don't know.

[Gary Parrish]

My answer is I don't know. But somebody did once upon a time start a blog or something and they were detailing, like the story behind Brandon Davies and they actually went back, found the episodes and was like transcribing our conversation to illustrate where these things came from. So you might want to get in touch with that person.

[Matt Norlander]

We don't know if that person is listening to the show. Please email us again. Shouts to cbsmail.com if you're watching here live, you see it on the screen as well. You can do that. And also, if. If there's a particular episode that you've listened to at any point 12 years ago, two weeks ago that you think ranks among your favorites, feel free to email us, let us know, Maybe we'll try and cobble together some sort of best of to or a primer, if you will, for folks that have been newer to the pod. If they want to go back and listen to previous iterations. I A random aside here. I don't know what happened, but our email address. This is. This is one of about six that we got over the past like three months. This is Robbie. I don't know if we're getting pranked. I don't know what's going on. Robbie from Liverpool, England, he emailed this to us. If you know your team's needs to be torn down to rebuild, but you're in a bad league for trading or a league where people don't seem to meet your valuation of players. Is it acceptable to take 75 or even 50 cents on the DOL to get good players off your roster? For example, I'm in a league where I'm trying to clear out the likes of Chase Brown, Devonte Smith, Josh Jacobs. I can't seem to find anyone who's offering picks that match with these players are valued at on every dynasty trade chart that I look at. Do I cut my losses guys and just accept accept my middle eights and second round picks or do I refuse to trade and and stuck in purgatory we have random fantasy football email advice in our inbox. I don't know what's happening. I don't know if, if fantasy is this Jamie Eisenberg's doing. I don't know what's going on. But we, we randomly got. You don't have to respond to this Parish, but I at least wanted to address this because it wasn't one. If it was one or two, I might have toss it off on the side. We got like continual, sporadic random emails from different people. I'm happy to give you fantasy football advice, but it's not going to be here, it's not going to be now, it's not going to be in May. That was random. Some guy let us know that we helped him Earmuffs for the, for the kiddos. By the way, again, kind of an adult show. Werner said. Just letting you know you guys being on TV tonight might get me laid. Shouts to Brandon Davies why that is, I don't know. But these are the emails we get. So just pure television GP helping to the more of us mantra.

[Gary Parrish]

Can you imagine having intercourse while you and I are talking on the TV above? Can you imagine that? Close your eyes right now and think of having intercourse. But I'm like just talking about Braden.

[Matt Norlander]

Smith that I'm going to skip that part altogether.

[Gary Parrish]

I want you to imagine yourself having intercourse while I'm discussing the pros and cons of Trey Kaufman Wren.

[Matt Norlander]

These are the, these are the emails. Though I pre I, I asked for any kind of email and lo and behold, this is what lands in our inbox. Remember when we were talking about. Of course you don't, but I'll remind you why, you know, the Sweet 16 and the Elite 8 were happening at Lucas Oil instead of the Gaines Bridge Field House or whatever the hell it's called.

[Gary Parrish]

Someone in the high school tournament or something.

[Matt Norlander]

It wasn't just that, though.

[Gary Parrish]

Hmm.

[Matt Norlander]

Jay and Batesville emailed that very night and said, hey, just so you know, they're also doing that because the Deftones are playing a concert there Friday night. And so this made me want to ask you, favorite Deftones song, have you ever been a Deftones fan?

[Gary Parrish]

I've never been a Deftones fan. I'm familiar with the Deftones, but I don't. I wouldn't. I'm not. I don't feel qualified to say a favorite Deftones song.

[Matt Norlander]

I'm not a big Deftones fan by any means. But they're a band where, if you actually, like, really dig in and investigate, they got some. From a musicality and songwriting standpoint, they've actually got some decent stuff going on there. So I appreciated that email. And. And who knew? Deftones kick the NCAA tournament right out of the Pacers home building.

[Gary Parrish]

I doubt that's true, by the way. I doubt. I doubt that the NCAA was trying to get into Cambridge and they were like, guys, we have the Deftones.

[Matt Norlander]

I doubt that 2025 wield a lot of power. How dare you?

[Gary Parrish]

I bet it worked the other way around. I bet they couldn't get in there because of, like, something else. And then they went to the Dome, and then gamebridge was like, hey, Deftones, if you're not busy, won't y'all come hang out one night? I bet that's how it went.

[Matt Norlander]

You know what? Deftone's still filling up an arena. I presume that place was at least 80, 85 packed in 2025. It's a good job. Ryan from Philly says my seven year old is really into collecting cards. He got a Terry Tekel Houston Rockets card in the pack the other day, and I said, terry Teagle legend. So now my son thinks Terry Teagle is his best card. He has it in a special area with Saquon Barkley, Bryce Har Harper, and Charles Barkley. How about that?

[Gary Parrish]

How about this? I have now maybe four or five Terry Teagle cards that people just give me or send to me. Like, I might get mail. Like people mail me Terry Teagle cards.

[Matt Norlander]

How are they getting your address?

[Gary Parrish]

No, they mail it to FedEx forum.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay, hold on. It's just a general. So, Gary. So there it is. It's a classic version right there. Love it. Love it. Flir 91, right? Flir 91.

[Gary Parrish]

Here's the thing people don't realize about Terry Teagle before he was a Laker.

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah, he.

[Gary Parrish]

He Played for the Mavericks, and then Nico Harrison traded him.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay.

[Gary Parrish]

At the height. At the height of his career.

[Matt Norlander]

Hold the spot real quick. Hold on. I'll be right back. Hold on, hold on.

[Gary Parrish]

What are you trying to do? That's Terry Teagle. He's a legend. We've had a rocky relationship with Harry Teagle. We got offended. And by we, I think it was just me. I got offended one time when he acted like he didn't know who we were. But then. But then, I believe a Baylor beat writer actually sent us a video. Do you remember this? Of Terry Teagle shouting us out?

[Matt Norlander]

Well, I had. We had an issue because he. He didn't acknowledge the podcast, and he was basically talking like, hey, you know, I don't know if you know this, but these idiots that do this college basketball podcast of, like, giving you love, and you shouted you out like, you know, every show for three years straight. Yeah, I don't know who those people are. So then he got removed from the shouts.

[Gary Parrish]

That's right.

[Matt Norlander]

For a good year. Plus, because that's what should have happened. And then you opted to bring him back. I didn't say he had to come back. You did bring him back on your back.

[Gary Parrish]

I brought him back in part because I swear to God, this is true. Scott Drew recognized that we had removed Terry Teagle from the shouts and reached out, and Scott was like, terry is the nicest man in the world. He's just like an old country man who, like, he probably doesn't even know what a podcast is. He's. But he's the nicest man in the world, and. And you should reconsider. That's paraphrasing, but I felt compelled at that point. If Scott Drew says you're the nicest man in the world, I'm going to assume that that's true. And Terry Teagle was re submitted for the shouts, and then people started mailing me cards all the time.

[Matt Norlander]

On that note, I still have not asked me why. I don't know. But I still got so many of my basketball cards. So look at this. On those FLIR 91s. Look at this.

[Gary Parrish]

All.

[Matt Norlander]

All in there. And I got. And coincidentally enough, unplanned Sean Kemp in there. Love. Love my Sean Kemp stuff. So, anyway, you still got your old cards or. No, probably not.

[Gary Parrish]

I do. No, no, no. I have them.

[Matt Norlander]

Larry Birds, Dominique.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, look. You're gonna put your kids through college with that?

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah. How much?

[Gary Parrish]

I do have them. My kids are now starting to get into cards a little bit. I haven't broken out all my old ones to hand over to them. But think about how cool this is sometimes. I, I. So I'm going up in the 80s, and I probably started collecting cards like around 84, 85, 86. That's like my first real memories of cards. Like, the first big cards I can remember are like the Jose Canseco rated rookie. Like, those types of things. Well, I've got all those cards right now. Those cards are now 40 years old. Imagine if in 1985 my father could have handed me. Yeah, every card from the 40s and 50s and 60s. Like, that is what I can hand my kids. Everything from the mid-80s to the early 90s, I have everything. And so one day I'll, I'll hand that over to them, but they're not responsible enough right now. They're still in that phase of life where they break iPads and lose iPhones and stuff.

[Matt Norlander]

I must have had 50, 60, 70 Jordans. I got all these Jordans in here. I got. You know what? I got a lot here is I got Penny. Man. This is a, this is a fun little. This is fun little trip back in time. But that's not the point of the show. But anyway, I'm glad you brought up.

[Gary Parrish]

I was starting to wonder what the point of the show was.

[Matt Norlander]

You know, it's a mailbag one. You want a Penny Hardaway card? By the way, I got one for you, buddy.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, sure. Send it my way.

[Matt Norlander]

Here you go. Right here. Here's a little Penny for you. Okay. Anthony Hardaway. People don't realize, by the way, recently rewatch blue Chips. It was, it was a rewatchables episode. And I had not seen blue chips, like, start to finish decades. In some ways it's better than you remember. In some ways it's not as good. When was the last time you saw it in full start to finish? How long?

[Gary Parrish]

You know, that was a big deal in Memphis when that was released. Like, they had a special, like, viewing party, like that type of thing, like red carpet type thing, something like that. And so I remember seeing it then, like, in the theater, because it was Penny right after he got drafted and all that stuff. And it was a huge deal. And I'm sure I've seen it since then, but I bet I haven't seen it in. It is 20 years, 25 years.

[Matt Norlander]

Seriously, go watch it. I watched it on Pluto. So it's, it's for free on Pluto. Penny's. Remember what Penny's name is in the movie?

[Gary Parrish]

No.

[Matt Norlander]

Butch McCrae.

[Gary Parrish]

That's right. Butch McRae. Butch McRae.

[Matt Norlander]

Bayheim's in there. Patino is in there. Rick Patino is in there coaching a team. Matt Painter is. He like scores a bucket at one point. I was watching it through that lens and being like, can you, like, first of all, the fact that college basketball meant that much to the culture that there was a full on movie made about it. Like, not to say that it couldn't happen in the 2000s, but it's so unlikely. And just as I was watching, I was like, if we had, you know, a Blue Chips type of movie today and you know who would be in it, it was, it was really cool to watch it after the fact. You should, you should go back and watch also, like the timeline. A lot of this stuff doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like the, the only team that's not a fake college is Bob Knight with Indiana. Like everything else is. It's. It was interesting though, in some ways. It definitely predated its time in a good way. But. But yeah, blue chips. Go check it out, kids. If you haven't. Shaq is in the movie. I think that was Shaq's first movie, I think, and man, it was. Yeah, it was a fun little trip back in time. All right, let's get to.

[Gary Parrish]

As the story goes, Shaq and Penny are working on that film. And that was among the reasons, like, Shaq fell in love with Penny during the making of that film and made it clear to Orlando, this is the guy I want to play with. And then they played together for a little while, did some amazing stuff, and then, you know, that fell apart.

[Matt Norlander]

There's a documentary on it as well. Seriously though, if you have, if you're young and you've never even heard of Blue Chips, go back and watch. It came out like, I think 94. Nick Nolte is the star of it. I think he shadowed Bob Knight for like a year to basically study up on the character. And it's, it's intriguing to go and watch through 20, 25 eyes. I just, I literally, I just watched it like a week and a half ago. And it was, it was, it was an interesting, it was an interesting movie. There's like a tall, tall white Larry Bird's in the movie, but there's a tall white prospect from Indiana and he's like, I want 30,000. It's 30,000. That won't get you a single player in the portal these days unless you're in like the lowest rungs possible. Interesting stuff all the same. One Last thing before we get to the questions. Richard also wanted to know what our what we thought was our greatest episode. We just had two emails on this. So the greatest episode in podcast history. The single greatest. He said his favorite one is the Kermit Roosevelt episode, which was funny. I do remember that from 2023. So, anyone listening? If you have a particular episode that you like and enjoy that we should bring attention to, please let us know and we'll follow up on a future mailbag episode. Let's get into it.

[Gary Parrish]

You sure are making a lot of promises. You sure are making a lot of promises.

[Matt Norlander]

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[Gary Parrish]

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[Gary Parrish]

Okay. Question comes from Noah at Purdue.

[Matt Norlander]

Yes.

[Gary Parrish]

Noah wants to know what what will we do if we both were to start our own universities, right? And we had to for this upcoming season, make a starting five and then pick a coach and a mascot. What would our teams look like for this upcoming season? So you suggested us that we should answer this question by doing like what amounts to a fantasy football slash fantasy basketball draft type thing. Let's just pick the players and see who comes out with the best team. Then we'll pick some coaches, then we'll pick a mascot and then we'll tell each other that our teams are better than the Other one. And with no definitive answer, we'll move on.

[Matt Norlander]

Correct. But here's the catch. You can pick. We all. We each have to draft the coach as well. So we have 12 drafts, five players apiece and a coach, a 12 total. The coach can be drafted at any point.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay.

[Matt Norlander]

Any point. You go first.

[Gary Parrish]

Sure. With the first pick in the 2020 five day after Cinco de Mayo.

[Matt Norlander]

Yes.

[Gary Parrish]

College basketball draft Gary Parish University selects J.T. toppin.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, number four on my board. Thank you.

[Gary Parrish]

GP oh, you have a board?

[Matt Norlander]

No, I gotta. You think I didn't come ready?

[Gary Parrish]

We'll see.

[Matt Norlander]

Paris is like, who was the first team all American?

[Gary Parrish]

Who was the guy Rick Patino decided to bench? I'll take him next.

[Matt Norlander]

By the way. This is getting. Just so you know, this is getting made into like social graphic and getting shared. So you better pick.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, we'll see about that.

[Matt Norlander]

Nicely.

[Gary Parrish]

We'll see.

[Matt Norlander]

Wisely. You're going with J.T. toppin. Obviously a very worthy pick. He's the toy. He's the transfer of the year was an absolute force. I now we're going snake. So GP Then I'll have. Back to back then. GP Back to back and onward we go. I'm going to go with the player that I think will be the most dynamite offensive producer next season, and that is BYU freshman AJ Debancer is my first pick, second overall. So I will go with AJ Debancer and then I will go with. You're giving me the guy who could be the number one pick in the 2026 draft and the guy who will probably be the best point guard in college basketball. I will go with Purdue's Braden Smith. Pick four is on you. Braden Smith and DeBancer. That was one and two on my board.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay, I got. Okay, let me hit delete. Let me hit delete on a couple of dudes here. Okay, Give me a boozer.

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah. Yep. Number three on my board. Yep. Well, which one?

[Gary Parrish]

Actually, the better one. Cameron. I'll take the better one for sure. What if I took the wrong boozer?

[Matt Norlander]

It's better content.

[Gary Parrish]

I won't say now I'm taking the better boozer.

[Matt Norlander]

All right. Camera boozer. And then who's your. Who's your next pick? You get back to back.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, man.

[Matt Norlander]

That's how a snake works. This is also a two man snake. Very.

[Gary Parrish]

You don't have to talk to me.

[Matt Norlander]

Situation going on right now. Snake eating itself.

[Gary Parrish]

You don't. You don't have to take. Talk to me about how a snake works.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay?

[Gary Parrish]

I'M taking Darren Peterson.

[Matt Norlander]

Good pick five on my board. So if you didn't take him, he was next for me. That's a good pick. Now you, you're. You got two. You got. Two of your first three are freshmen. Not to say that's the wrong choice, but two of your first three are freshmen. I will go with number six on my board is a guy that I think is, if he continues his pace, is going to be potentially first team All American. He was an all American level player, arguably last season, transferred over to the west coast, playing for the best coach in the history of ucla. I will go with Donovan Dent at pick number six. Was he on your list somewhere there?

[Gary Parrish]

Yes, of course. Of course he's on my list.

[Matt Norlander]

Donovan Dent. Two players on my list here that I think are generally under, like truly underrated and dense. One of them. The next one I won't pick here. And then I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with a guy that is. Was a statistical beast. I think he led the country in stocks, which I don't love as a term, but it's steals and blocks combined. He did it as a freshman, which has only been done like two or three times ever. It's going to be at Kentucky. I'm going to go grown man. Jaden Quaintance with the seventh overall pick. So we've gone nothing but players through seven spots. I almost went with the coach, but I didn't go with the coach yet. So you're up GP2 picks.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay. I'm studying here. Let's. I don't love. I got one for you.

[Matt Norlander]

Yep.

[Gary Parrish]

Bennett Sturts.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, look at you. Look at you.

[Gary Parrish]

I want to. Bennett Sturts.

[Matt Norlander]

He's in my group of like number 10 here. I got a few names there and he was in my group there. Sturts going from Drake to Iowa, big time stat guy. See how he makes Iowa to Drake.

[Gary Parrish]

To Iowa to gpu.

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah, something like that. All right, Bennett Sturts. What else you got?

[Gary Parrish]

My starting small forward.

[Matt Norlander]

Yep.

[Gary Parrish]

Richie Saunders.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. Not on my board. Not on my board. No, no, no, you don't.

[Gary Parrish]

You don't respect Richie Saunders.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. I'm liking how this is going. So I've got. I've got the Bance at the wing, Braden at Smith at point. Donovan Dent playing the two acquaintance as the big. I'm going with another shooter. I'm going with the guy that I think will be the most reliable and deadly three point shooter in the country next season. Give me UConn solo ball. He's My last pick. He's my fifth guy there. And then coach, I'm gonna go. So. Hold on, GP you have. Yeah. You've got your starting five as well. So the coaches come at the end.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah. My starting five is Bennett Sturts. Darren Peterson, Richie Saunders, Cameron Boozer, J.T. toppin.

[Matt Norlander]

I like my team. I will go. So the highest rated player, by the way, that I did not pick. Let's do this real quick before I take our coaches, I think the most underrated guy in the country, and partly maybe it's because he wasn't on a great team. They didn't make the tournament. Bruce Thornton is a good, good player, and I think on a team like this, he could have made an impact. But ultimately, I'll go with solo ball over Bruce Thornton. Who was your highest rated player? You didn't draft Trey Kaufman.

[Gary Parrish]

Wren.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay.

[Gary Parrish]

P.J. hagerty, R.J. lewis. Otega. O way.

[Matt Norlander]

Yep.

[Gary Parrish]

I had Nate. I had Nate Biddle on my list.

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah. Okay.

[Gary Parrish]

I had Thomas Halk on my list. All right.

[Matt Norlander]

Way too many guys. We're picking a team of five here. You came prepared. You came prepared. More prepared than I think you've ever been for a pod. I will go Coach Wise. I'm gonna go with the coach that while he does not have a national championship, and I'm almost positive you're going to pick a national championship winning coach. I'm going to pick the coach that has been to multiple Final force, just made a Final four, just made a title game and has finished second at Ken Palm four years in a row. Give me Kelvin Sampson to coach my squad.

[Gary Parrish]

I was also going to take Kelvin.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, I thought you were taking Patino. That's why I took Samson.

[Gary Parrish]

All right, Good call. I'll take Rick Patina.

[Matt Norlander]

How about you, Rick? This isn't year two, Rick. This is year one, Rick. With a new team. 01 Rick.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm taking Rick Patino.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. Rick Patino. All right. That is our fantasy. Drastic little. Fun little.

[Gary Parrish]

No, no, no. We have to pick our mascot.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, that's right. Is this the part you're most excited for?

[Gary Parrish]

Yes.

[Matt Norlander]

Are we picking. Hold on. So for this, are we picking an existing mascot of the school or are we picking something new altogether?

[Gary Parrish]

I think an existing mascot at a school.

[Matt Norlander]

I agree.

[Gary Parrish]

You start letting me pick whatever I want, buddy. I got some. I got some ideas.

[Matt Norlander]

That's all too fair. All right.

[Gary Parrish]

I think we're gonna be the Gary Parrish University Fighting Camels.

[Matt Norlander]

Could be nothing else. Right?

[Gary Parrish]

It could be the Vaqueros okay, that's true.

[Matt Norlander]

But no, no, that is utrgv. Right?

[Gary Parrish]

Rio Grande Valley.

[Matt Norlander]

I'm going to pick the mascot.

[Gary Parrish]

Spanish term for a cowboy. I believe.

[Matt Norlander]

I believe that's correct. I'm gonna pick the mascot that is by far just the most badass out there. And that's Cosmo the Cougar from byu. You see what this guy does? Guy or gal. Whoever's in the suit.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah. You can't tell me the person wearing that suit doesn't have sex. No chance. I've seen that. I've seen that cougar dance.

[Matt Norlander]

I know. We've gone.

[Gary Parrish]

That cougar does it. That cougar does it. I guarantee you, you can't dance like that without doing it. That's. Ask Beyonce if you don't believe me.

[Matt Norlander]

Cosmo the Cougar. He's mine, though. Who'd you go with? What'd you pick? Oh, yeah. Fighting Camels.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah, Fighting Camels. Or the. Or the vaqueros.

[Matt Norlander]

No, we'll go with Fighting Camels for the sake of the pod there. Really good submission by Noah, who happens to be in the chat here. Now. That was good stuff there. We're now at 40 minutes until I get it. Gotta get out. I have faith we can get through every question in the doc. Let's go. Michael from Iowa corresponds and says, as an Iowa alum, I just want to know, has any Coach Ever survived 15 years at a Power 5 program without making a Sweet 16? I've been a loyal listener since the early 2000 and tens. He's asking this in part because Frame McCaffrey just went 15 years at Iowa and got fired. Parrish. I did the research. I have the answer. Here's the trivia time.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah.

[Matt Norlander]

Two parter trivia time. Has this ever happened? Yes or no, has a coach ever gone more than 15 years at a single school without a sweet 16 at a high.

[Gary Parrish]

Yes. Yes, of course.

[Matt Norlander]

How many times has it happened?

[Gary Parrish]

At least three.

[Matt Norlander]

This happened once with this. Hold on. With this condition, I've gone back with the help of our research team since 1974. 75. So we're looking at 51 years worth of coaches and power conferences and what it would have been power conferences back, you know, 70s, 80s, 90s, how that applies. It's only happened once. Do you want to try and guess?

[Gary Parrish]

Try to guess? How about I just tell you who it is?

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. Well, it actually hasn't happened yet, but, yeah, go ahead.

[Gary Parrish]

I mean, it's Joe Cipriano.

[Matt Norlander]

It's not. First of all, Watching you research this in real time. Who the hell is Joseph Briano.

[Gary Parrish]

Got it. You call yourself a co host of a basketball podcast?

[Matt Norlander]

I do.

[Gary Parrish]

The first thing that popped into my head when I saw the question was Jose, Brianna.

[Matt Norlander]

No, it didn't. I told you. Hold on. I told you the exact wording in the Google document. This is the exact wording. I did the research and have the answer GP don't look it up. And there's no way Joe Cipriano is springing to front of mind.

[Gary Parrish]

It's the first thing that popped into my head is Joe Cipriano. He of course coached Nebraska for 17 seasons, never went to a Sweet 16. Joe Cipriano is the name that pops into my head.

[Matt Norlander]

All right, I've brought him up. This is. This is accurate. This is accurate. So it has happened with at least one coach previously. Although this was. That is pre 197475, when the tournament was. I mean, let's like, all right, so let's go just 1969. Nice.

[Gary Parrish]

Don't even get me started on Dutch Lawn Borg.

[Matt Norlander]

You research this.

[Gary Parrish]

I honestly just started googling shitty basketball schools in power conferences. So I started with Northwestern. Bill Carmody almost did it. He didn't get 15 years though.

[Matt Norlander]

For example, though. Yeah, I know. He didn't. He didn't get there.

[Gary Parrish]

Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss almost did it, but he didn't get 15 years.

[Matt Norlander]

Correct. But Joe Cipriano is an interesting. It's an interest. It's a good question. I like these kind of questions now. When Cipriano was back in his heyday, and by heyday, I mean just, you know, coasting along, barely giving a damn, running Nebraska's program. Nebraska, by the way, still never won an NCAA tournament game. The tournament was like 24, 25, 28 teams. So, you know, to get to a quote, unquote, sweet 16 wasn't the same level that it has been since it expanded and even in the years before that. So with that in mind, it has never happened that a high major coach in the past five decades has lasted 16 seasons without a sweet 16. But it can happen next year. Trivia time. Okay, who is that coach who will be entering year 16 next season and has not made a sweet 16 at the power conference level?

[Gary Parrish]

Huh? That's nice.

[Matt Norlander]

That is nice. It's a well timed question from Mike in Iowa.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm just, I don't know the answer. I'm just guessing. I don't think it's. I don't think it's Ted Boyle.

[Matt Norlander]

But that is Tad Boyle.

[Gary Parrish]

How about that?

[Matt Norlander]

Tad Boyle will become the first power conference coach. Call it the modern era, the past five decades. If he makes it to the end of next season and they don't make the Sweet 16. Who have ever coached 16 consecutive seasons at a high major and not made this week? 16 if it happens. There you go.

[Gary Parrish]

Well, I'll be rooting for tab oil this upcoming season then.

[Matt Norlander]

Yeah. You don't want to be in the same category as Joseph Brianny.

[Gary Parrish]

You don't want people walking around like saying he's a modern day Joseph.

[Matt Norlander]

Brianna, you don't want that. No, you don't.

[Gary Parrish]

The last thing you want to hear.

[Matt Norlander]

About Joseph Brianny's family.

[Gary Parrish]

Yes. It goes without saying. It's a tough job. It's a tough job. Yeah, right. It's a tough job. But you don't want to be the modern day Jose Sepriano. So that'll obviously be a big storyline in Boulder heading into the season.

[Matt Norlander]

Europe.

[Gary Parrish]

Is coach prime going to be working alongside the modern day Joe Cipriano? That's what they're wondering right now in Boulder.

[Matt Norlander]

So we're on fire here. You're next, by the way.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay. Matt from a secret location. He will not disclose where he's from.

[Matt Norlander]

Refuses to.

[Gary Parrish]

In wrestling they would call this parts unknown. Matt is from parts unknown. Should all power conference programs have the same amount of league games? Also, should we consider Mark Pope's idea of extending the college basketball season? I'll answer the second question first. Nope. No, we should not extend the college basketball season. But. But I would not be against a later start in a later finish. I just making it a one semester sport. I've always sort of thought that would make some sense. Although I think our television bosses would probably push back on that a little bit. They like the idea of March Madness. So I'll shut up right now. They like the idea of the tournament running straight into the Masters. So I'll shut up right now. I don't need it to be extended. I wouldn't mind it being pushed back. And I don't care how many power conference. I don't care how many conference games power conferences play. It's up to them. I don't think there's a perfect answer for anybody. And I don't need more games if they're just going to be buy games and stuff like that. I don't need more bad games in college basketball. We already have too many.

[Matt Norlander]

Correct. So I don't think the. I, I get the question. Should they. You know, should the five power conference leagues all have the same amount of league games, it's not going to happen. Here's where we're at on that. If you haven't been keeping tabs and if you haven't, that's completely understandable. Big east is going to stay at 20. It's got, as long as it's got 11 teams, you can have everyone play twice. It obviously makes a lot of sense. If you can do home and road in the whole league, they're going to stay at 20. And especially in an 11 team league, that makes a lot of sense. But everyone else is now 16 or 18 teams. The ACC is going to roll back from 20 to 18 this upcoming season. That will be officially voted in later this month. The Big 12 has already decided to go. It went to 20 for, for a hot second, it's going back to 18. The SEC is already at 18. The Big 10 is going to stay at 20. Now the ACC going from 20 to 18 has, they're doing it in part because they, they want to try and get theoretically non conference opponents in there. That can help the numbers. Overall you just got to have better teams, but they don't, they don't need to have the same amount of quota GP on that. So no, I don't need it. And that's not something that the sport is aching for and we're just not going to get there. I think that there's just going to be some leagues that stick at 20 and everyone else is going to be at 18. That's fine. Now on that note, Pope wants to go to like 40 games, which is never going to happen. Doesn't need to happen. But his whole thing is, you know, if we're preparing these guys to go and play professionally, not even necessarily just NBA, but anywhere else, like let's just get them more reps, let's just have more games. That being said, we are going to go to 32. We're at 31. Before you get to postseason play in June, the D1 Council is going to vote to basically roll back all the MTE restrictions because we have, you know, fewer power conferences and there's been some barriers around that. So that's going to get rolled back and then they want starting not next season in 26, 27. They're going to go to a 32 game schedule. And then I know this isn't what you're asking for, gp, but I do think for money making reasons there is a very real scenario where we look up 10 years from now 20, 35. Because the season is already. You said I'm in favor of the season starting later. That's not what they're doing. They're now going to have the season start. I think it's starting in two years where it can be as early as October 30th or as late as November 5th. This season is going to get one extra week attached to it. But if you told me that they decided to go to a 34 or 35 game max allowance before the start of the NCAA tournament or right. Or postseason in general, I would believe that that actually winds up getting there one day. I'm not saying we need it. I kind of like the size of the college basketball season. If you can tell me that it would guarantee more high major non conference matchups and induce teams to do that, then that would be fine. But we are going to expand by one game in a year and a half and I think expanding by another two or three after that in the ensuing four, five, six years. I, I think it's, I think it's on the table. And then one more thing actually GP if we can get to that point or even with 32, what I would like to see happen and I'm gonna make my pitch now and this is column fodder maybe for later this off season or at some point if you get the extra game, then let's do what Duke has been doing. Like Duke's going to play Michigan next year in February. They just played Illinois. Let's have the high majors in the sport make it specific, intentional. The weekend after the super bowl or whenever the, you know, the second, the penultimate Saturday in February. Have that weekend specifically dedicated to non conference play so that we can get just a change of pace and some high profile non conference matchups the way that we used to do it. If we're going to get the extra game. That's how I think the best way that you set up the sport to get the most attention. Intriguing matchups. If we're going to expand that way, I think that would be the way to do it.

[Gary Parrish]

I'd be fine with that. I'm not against more quality games. I am against more games just to.

[Matt Norlander]

Right for game six, sell season ticket.

[Gary Parrish]

Packages and you know, create 20 point wins. Like I don't need to see Florida play Grambling State again. I don't need to see Duke play incarnate word. Like I. There's too much of that in college basketball. Like I really do think if we're. People talk about transfer portals and Nil. And all these big problems in college basketball and I get it, whatever. To me, one of the biggest problems with college basketball, there are too many games involving the best teams that are complete mismatches on the court. Teams that should not be playing each other like in the NBA, roughly half your games, you know, are going to be against playoff caliber teams by definition.

[Matt Norlander]

Right. And obviously that's, that's an inventory. I know you know this, but just for the eye.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah.

[Matt Norlander]

Of course there's a reason why there's only 30 NBA teams and there's 300.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that to, you know, brought it out. There shouldn't be 364 teams competing for the same championship. Duke should not be playing for the same trophy that 200 other teams are playing for.

[Matt Norlander]

Well, I, I don't agree with that entirely, but I don't want to get. I, I like the idea that men's Division 1 college basketball enables theoretically. GP I know, I get it. But theoretically, when we, when we start a tournament, Lipscomb is in the same exact tournament and can compete for the same championship as Duke. I think that is a good thing for college basketball and for American sports generally speaking.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't like it at all. I think Division one is way too big and we should not have all these, we should not have all these conferences playing under the Division 1 umbrella, which, and we shouldn't have all these teams spending November and December playing, playing each other. There's too many, too many of those games that I, I find complete. I, at some point season ticket holders are going to be like, why am I paying good money when a third of the games, particularly when coaches are taking a lot of their high profile stuff to neutral courts. At what point does your customer say, why am I paying good money for a season ticket package? And roughly half of the games I'm going to attend are total mismatches on paper. Why am I doing that? And I think that's a reasonable, reasonable question to ask. But I'll leave that up to the athletic directors of basketball coaches, Bob Hand.

[Matt Norlander]

Hell of a name, by the way. Bob Hand. And the chat just says, do you think the amount of players are getting paid is one of the reasons colleges want expansion, more home games? Yes. And I think that's why this could be on the table eventually. Is just the very nature of paying your college athletes might induce them be like, sure, we can't add like just 2, 3, 4 more games to the schedule and make this much more money to pay our athletes. I think that is coming. Not necessarily in two years, but if you told me five, seven, eight ears, I actually think that's, that's on the table. Let's keep it moving. Would you be for Rob from Indiana asks, would you be for or against the committee turning to AI to create the field? If you could feed it all the stats and let it know your parameters, I would think this might be a more efficient way to generate the bracket. It would create less speculation about how did X team get the last spot when we don't believe they have the resume and just so happens their ad is on the committee, basically. Would it feel better knowing the human bias would be eliminated?

[Gary Parrish]

GP no, I don't think this is that big of a deal. We're never arguing over anything other than two or three, four teams at the bottom of the bracket and then we argue about seating, but that's it. I would. And this came up with Bubba sort of being the chair of the committee while North Carolina was on the bubble. I, I don't like that. Not to suggest Bubba did anything like. Bubba Cunningham is wildly respected and nobody even thinks that there was any inappropriate that went on there. But just the, the impression that it could theoretically, I think is an issue. And so if I were going to do anything to the selection process, this is what I would do. We're not going to have any athletic directors. We're not going to have any conference commissioners. It's just going to be like we. It's not hard to find 10 people who understand the selection process. I mean, genuinely, it doesn't have to be you or me, and it shouldn't be either one of us. But what I'm telling. To tell you is that every time I say this, somebody gets mad at me. But it's just true. Being a quote bracketologist is you could teach anybody how to do that. It's just a. Here's the data, here's what's important, here's the process. Now go. My wife doesn't know anything about college basketball. I don't even know if she knows this podcast exists.

[Matt Norlander]

She knows it exists.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't know.

[Matt Norlander]

You know what? You should do your own little college basketball draft with her later dominate.

[Gary Parrish]

She would try to take Derrick Rose. I think the last time she paid attention, Derrick Rose was involved. I could teach her in two days how to, how to put together a bracket, and her bracket would look pretty normal relative to every other bracket. It's not that difficult to do if you understand the process. So just teach seven independent people the process and Let them do it. And the bracket will look more or less the way it's looked forever. I just, I don't think this is that big of a, big of a problem.

[Matt Norlander]

The humans being the committee is, is the feature, not the bug. It induces more interaction, some anger, some pushback. And you can say, well, why just do that? I'm not, I'm not saying we have to. I'm just saying it's, it's, it's part of the process. If you wanted to say, if you wanted to kind of split the difference and say, okay, let's use wins above bubble or strength, the record or whatever and create a baseline. Right. And the baseline will determine who is in the field and then have the humans decide how the teams get seated. I'd be open to that. But I think if you do that, then you enter into the question of. And Billis has been on this for a long time. If you do that before conference tournament play starts, that's your field. And then everyone else can either play in by automatic or if you're in or if you're not. You know, this stuff isn't going to happen obviously anytime in the near term. It's an interesting thought experiment. It's why we do the mailbag stuff. But absolutely not, not in favor of turning the committee and switching to AI to create the field. And in fact, with that in mind, we actually got two AI related questions. Gp, you're next. But the first part's the one that I want to get to, so go ahead.

[Gary Parrish]

This comes from Aaron from parts unknown. Two questions. Number one, how fast are you running a mile these days and what is your personal best mile time? That's making a lot of assumptions.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay, let's get into this here. And the next one is more work related. Last time that you were timed running a mild GP I'm going to say 1993.

[Gary Parrish]

I genuinely don't know that I've ever been timed running a mile. I don't have any recollection of it.

[Matt Norlander]

Not in gym.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't remember. I mean I have run miles like on treadmills and like done a 5K and that kind of thing. But I don't have a time. I can't even tell you a personal best. And I don't remember the last time I ran a mile. I'm a walker. I enjoy walking. Even on my treadmill I walk, but I don't, I'm not a runner. The last time I ran was through the Minneapolis airport a few weeks ago. Me and my Little guy, wife and middle guy went, like, shopping through the airport. Me and the little guy went to the Sky Club. And I don't know, I just wasn't thinking. And it was like, all right, we need to be leaving now. Flight's boarding. I just got it in my head somehow that we'll just walk five minutes to the gate. And, buddy, we were 20 minutes from the gate and I had to run, and I thought I was going to throw up.

[Matt Norlander]

Is there anything that is more. I'm sure there are, but let's go with me here more. That feels more physically exhausting than an airport sprint. I mean, it would just. You're. You're. It's the anxiety. Will I catch the flight? All the. I just, I had to do this last, last season sprint. I mean, outright veins pumping, battery acid, sprinting. I get to the gate, that plane is. See, it wasn't even close.

[Gary Parrish]

I. I have a new outlook on this. I didn't want to miss that flight. So I was. I would have been stressed because my family was split up. Like, my wife and middle son were already on the plane. They were just waiting on us. And so. And then it was like night two of WrestleMania and I wanted to get home in time to be able to watch that with the family. So I would have been upset about missing that flight. But broadly speaking, Kieran Culkin was doing some interviews somewhere about air travel, and he was like, I just don't stress about it. I just, like, it's. I hear all people. I hear people all the time getting stressed out. And it's just like, I'll get to the airport when I get there, and I'll either get on the plane, but if I don't, they'll just put me on another plane and I'll get there eventually. And so then I'll just go have a drink and get something to eat and it'll be fine. And I have sort of changed my approach on everything based on that. Yeah, it stinks to miss a flight, but unless you were, like, needing to be somewhere in exactly when this flight landed, which is rarely the case, it's not that big of a deal. It'll be fine. So I'm cool.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. With that in mind, let's get back to the question. You don't think you've ever been timed in a while, that's fine. Whatever.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't remember ever being timed in a mile.

[Matt Norlander]

That being said, and I want, I want input in the chat. I want email shouts to CBS gmail.com. i want mentions@ion, CBB, podcast, on Twitter, at me or GP, Blue sky, wherever. How fast do we think we asked. We asked Gary Parrish tomorrow to run a mile. How long does it take him to run him? What's your guess? Gp, how long do you think it takes you to run a mile?

[Gary Parrish]

Seven minutes.

[Matt Norlander]

I don't think there's any chance in hell you're running a seven minute mile. I don't. I now and I, I know I can walk. I would love, I would love to be wrong at some point. And when's the last, like I am a runner. When's the last time you actually ran consistently for seven minutes other than the Minneapolis airport?

[Gary Parrish]

That was at Minneapolis airport two weeks ago.

[Matt Norlander]

You don't have a chance in hell at running a seven minute mile. Now. I got curious about this in the throes of COVID in 2020 and I wanted to know and, and because I run relatively frequently, but I'm not sprinting. I'm just, I'm going out for a jog here and there. But I was like, can I do a six minute mile? And I couldn't. I ran like six, ten as a runner.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, well then no chance. I could do seven. I could do. I could do 10. I could do it.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, you can, you can do 10. You can do nine. Can we, can we get you to try and run a mile at some point in the next two weeks just, just to see how long it will take? I have a high school track near me, so that's how I knew. Because you're running around or you can. You got the app on your phone. It'll tell you how fast you're going.

[Gary Parrish]

I gotta trip it. I'll take this computer in my office right now. We'll jump on the treadmill right now. Let's see. Let's do it.

[Matt Norlander]

Bonus pod content standalone show.

[Gary Parrish]

Just me running.

[Matt Norlander]

Yes.

[Gary Parrish]

This is the way I run. By the way, that's.

[Matt Norlander]

You're not cracking eight minutes with that going on. What is it?

[Gary Parrish]

I get a good rhythm like that.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. Okay. I don't even know how to respond.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm getting tired doing this.

[Matt Norlander]

I feel like. See, the treadmill's cheating though, because the treadmill forces you to run at a pace. I want free running out in the wild. Get the running app on your phone. I got you for seven. You're not a runner. 7:57 mile. And that's optimistic. Can we try and make this happen?

[Gary Parrish]

Yes, I can run a mile. Probably need to.

[Matt Norlander]

All right, good deal. Love it. All right, number two, you got the second part of the question real quick on this one.

[Gary Parrish]

How, if at all, do you use AI in your work and personal life? Is it a threat to sports journalism? I might just be showing my age here. Have never used it. I mean, I still. I type questions into Google and sometimes it'll give me an AI. I hate it answer in text. But I like the AI conversations and stuff like that. I've just. I've just never done it. I have never participated. I'm sure I will at some point, but I've never done it.

[Matt Norlander]

No. I don't care if it makes me sound like an old head. I've got absolutely no desire whatsoever to use AI in my work. Have never. I've never. I've never even brought up Chat GPT as a website or whatever. Never done it remotely. The Aaron also asked over under Tom Izzo. Chat GPT conversations at 0.5. That's under. However, real quick coach most likely to use Chat GPT gp. Who is it and why is it Buzz Williams?

[Gary Parrish]

Well, Buzz is curious by nature.

[Matt Norlander]

Yes.

[Gary Parrish]

So I can see Buzz just sitting around and just thinking about something and then wanting to learn about that thing. The Internet, for all its faults, it is pretty amazing if you just want to learn about stuff. Although we've reached a point where you don't even know what you're learning is real or not. It's tough out there, man. It's tough to navigate.

[Matt Norlander]

I wonder who else other coaches might be willing to use Chat GPT. Scott Drew, maybe feel like Mark Pope, Todd Golden, Dan Hurley. I don't know. It's interesting to think about, but I feel like Buzz is the answer there. Dominate your fantasy baseball league with fantasy Baseball Today, part of the CBS Sports Podcast Network. Join Scott White, Chris Towers and me, Frank Stampfl every weekday as we recap.

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[Matt Norlander]

Rated R Drew from Indie Writes what do we think the chances are Matt Painter. This is. This is an informative question. I wasn't realizing this was the case. What do we think the chances are Matt Painter ends his career beating every seed in the NCAA tournament to complete his bingo card. He needs to be a 1, beat a 3 and beat a 9. What percentage? Painter's 54 HP. Let's say he's got at least six years. Could go another 10 or 12. Needs to be the 1, 3 and 9. That could be. Any comment? He could be a 4 seed that beats a 1. He could be a 1 seed that winds up facing a 9 in the second round. He could be a 2 that gets a 3. What do you put the percentage on that Painter retires having beaten every single seed in the tournament?

[Gary Parrish]

Sure. I mean, why not? He gets to the tournament every year. You got to beat somebody every year. Eventually you'll line up against a three and you'll knock them out. Yeah, I would bet. Sure. Why not, you say?

[Matt Norlander]

More likely than not.

[Gary Parrish]

I mean, who the hell knows? How would you even prove something like that?

[Matt Norlander]

I have 55. That's what I'm putting it at.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay, I'm going at 58 then.

[Matt Norlander]

All right, there we go. By the way, Purdue, as we speak here, is the first school to have released its non conference schedule for next season. Bravo. It's May 6th. We have a school that has already released its schedule. Hell yes. Got to keep it moving here. But just as a note, they're getting Bama, Iowa State, Marquette, Auburn, and they're going to play in Baja Mar, which is going to have Memphis, Wake Forest, and they're figuring out the third team. But hell yeah. To any school, period, that is in a position to publicly disclose a schedule before we get to Memorial Day, we absolutely love to see it. Let's keep it moving.

[Gary Parrish]

Your next up, Lori writes in. She says she describes herself as a newish female listener from New York City. She writes, you've mentioned people listening and assuming you look a certain way. Before I googled to see what you and Matt look like, my perception was Bobby Bones and Ryan Reynolds. When I saw you recently on tv, I was struck by Parish's Southern accent being much less pronounced than it is on the pod. Is that a deliberate thing? No, not deliberate. I. I do think I deliberately tried to suppress the Southern accent when I was younger, if only because I realized I didn't see people on television sounding the way that I sounded. Like Marty Smith is an example of somebody who can get away with the Southern accent, but broadly speaking, you don't hear people with Southern with Mississippi accents on television too often. I've never had a. As thick of a Southern accent as the people around me have, but it, my voice has changed over the years. Anybody who grew up with me will tell you that that's true in terms of difference between the pod and television. There's nothing intentional about that or deliberate. I, I didn't even know that that was a thing, that I sound different on TV as opposed to the podcast. I, I Do you know that?

[Matt Norlander]

I didn't know that produces the question, are you, are you faking or embellishing your accent on the podcast? No, not at all.

[Gary Parrish]

I, what I think happens is on television, everything is like, quicker and to the point and you got to be quick. And on the podcast, it's a more relaxed and I get to talking a little slower and get the telling little stories in a certain rhythm. And I, where the accent probably comes out a little more. And also in I Words high by lie. Tie theater that, those, those are where you'll hear it come out sometimes.

[Matt Norlander]

All right, let's get to the more important part of this question here. Bobby Bones. And, and I, I assume I must be Ryan Reynolds, which I, I was thinking I'm Ryan Reynolds, but in 100 seriousness, like, I don't think I know who Bobby Bones is. Is this the MMA fighter? Not a. I asked, not ahead of time. Throw it up on screen. I don't. I'm not positive. So who is Bobby Bones? Can we see it on screen? This is who. Oh, I don't even know who this is. Who is Bobby Bones? Isn't Bones Jones, like an MMA fighter? That's what I thought.

[Gary Parrish]

I think it's John. John Jones, right?

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, John Jones. That's right. John Bones. Jones. That's what I was. That's what was my. That was my wires crossed. Who is Bobby Bones?

[Gary Parrish]

Bobby Bones appears to be a gentleman. He's a radio and television personality best known for hosting the nationally syndicated the Bobby Bones Show. I'm unfamiliar with his work. I say that respectfully. I'm just unfamiliar with his work.

[Matt Norlander]

That's you. And then I'm Ryan Reynolds, so I.

[Gary Parrish]

Think I'd rather be Ryan Reynolds.

[Matt Norlander]

I can't help you because Lori emailed in and she said my perception was Bobby Jones and Ryan Reynolds, and she mentioned you first and then me second. So.

[Gary Parrish]

Okay, fine, then I'll be, I'll be Michael B. Jordan, how about how I.

[Matt Norlander]

Want to be my real? The fact that she thought you were Bobby. Her mind's eye thought you were that dude. You. You will take that every single time. Let's be real here, Bobby Bones.

[Gary Parrish]

Oh, I would trade physical appearances with Bobby Bones for sure. Oh, yeah, and probably podcast now that.

[Matt Norlander]

We'Re starting to learn about it. Maybe he's got a little something going. No doubt about it. Keep it moving. Another female listener, Dana, the Kansas fan, wants to know what two coaches in different conferences have met the most times. Seems like Bill Self and John Calipari play every year. So that's my guess. I have the answer. You want to try and guess it real quick?

[Gary Parrish]

Okay. I actually am going to see if I. Something did pop into my head.

[Matt Norlander]

Okay. What do you got?

[Gary Parrish]

Tom Izzo and Greg Campy.

[Matt Norlander]

You? Bingo. You got it.

[Gary Parrish]

I'm on fire with these trivia times today.

[Matt Norlander]

That's right. How many times? How many times?

[Gary Parrish]

22.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, my God. I need that. Oh, my God.

[Gary Parrish]

What's up? Terry Teagle. Who's the legend now? Terry Teagle. Who's the legend? Who's the legend now? Terry Teagle.

[Matt Norlander]

He got it. Exactly. 22. Are you kidding me?

[Gary Parrish]

I swear to God, I did not look up that answer in advance just as you were reading it. That is what popped into my head.

[Matt Norlander]

22 is on freaking money.

[Gary Parrish]

Let me flex for a minute.

[Matt Norlander]

Let me show you something for a minute. I've been procrastinating. I don't have. I. I got this on the board. I got this.

[Gary Parrish]

I was wrong.

[Matt Norlander]

I got that.

[Gary Parrish]

They're not good.

[Matt Norlander]

I got that. I do not have the correct trivia time. I gotta get. I gotta add it to the board. I will. Scout's honor. I'll get that done by the time we do our next mailbag.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't think you. I want you to. I want you to look into your screen right now and tell me if you really don't think this man could run a seven minute mile.

[Matt Norlander]

Nope. You got no chance in hell.

[Gary Parrish]

Look at that.

[Matt Norlander]

Yep, yep.

[Gary Parrish]

Look at that.

[Matt Norlander]

Show the folks again how you swing your arms when you run. Yeah, it's got a little trump dance to it, you know, like got a little. Little pull on the hot dog situation there. Campy Izzo are 22 at number one. Colin Izzo. Calen is okay. Patino 18. Caliper self, 14 times overall. Good stuff there. We're gonna get. We're gonna get this done in 11 minutes. You're next, Joe from Cincinnati.

[Gary Parrish]

It's Time to have a real discussion about West Miller.

[Matt Norlander]

Oh, no, right here, right now.

[Gary Parrish]

The day after Cico de Mayo is the time to have her. It's. That's the day. It's the day after Cico de Mayo and it's time to talk about West Miller. We've waited long enough.

[Matt Norlander]

That's right.

[Gary Parrish]

We have waited long enough. All Cincinnati fans have been Behind West Miller 100% throughout his time here. He says nothing but the right things, recruit some of the best players we've had in a long time, and gets the fan base excited. We were supposed to be a top 20 team this season, and now we're looking like dog water. Do you think there's still hope for him or will we continue to be dog water?

[Matt Norlander]

First of all, I don't know when dog water. I don't know when that became a thing, but it is. It is an underrated insult. I don't even know is what is dog water? Is it the. Is it the water in the dog bowl? That's like. I don't even know what it is, but I just was cracking dog water.

[Gary Parrish]

All.

[Matt Norlander]

By the way, if you're not watching, was in all capital letters, Cincinnati is now dog water. Okay, here's the deal. I just did my four years later grade. The coaching hire thing that I do every year because there's this push to grade the hires when they happen, whatever. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why not wait and see what these guys do? So I always give them four years and I gave Miller a C at Cincinnati. Cincinnati fans, some of them, like, I would have given him a D minus, but he's won 58 of his games, hasn't made the tournament. He took the job, was in the American for two years and has been in the Big 12 for two years. You know, when he took the job, he probably couldn't have imagined he would have taken if you told him, hey, you're going to be in the Big 12, hell yeah, all the more. But there is some adjustment to that overall, but he has finished 12th, 11th in the Big 12, and then prior to that he was fourth and seventh in the league standings in the American. They did have a team last season that should have been in the tournament. They didn't make it. He quite clearly heads into next season on the hot seat like that. He's got to make the tournament to keep his job. I think everyone there fully understands the situation they brought on. Oh, by the way, Corey Evans, who is a former really smart recruiting guy, he Was on staff at Oklahoma City for a number of years as a scout there. I think he convinced Sam Presti to draft Chad Holmgren and now he's the GM at Cincinnati. They bring back Jizzle James. They bring back Dayday Thomas. They got a couple of notable transfers. I think they're probably going to add like one more either starter or first or second guy off the bench. It is time to have a real discussion about West Miller. I appreciate the setup there. He's got to make the tournament, period. And it might even be a situation where if he only makes the first four, that might not be enough. It has not gone as well as I thought it would. But there are about four or five situations going into next season where we. Everyone understands the assignment. It's minimum, minimum tournament appearance or they're moving on. And that's where. That's where the Bearcats lie right now.

[Gary Parrish]

It's tough out there. It's just a reminder how difficult this profession can be. One day you're taking UNC Greensboro to the NCAA tournament. Four years later, you look up and you're like a quarter of the way becoming a modern day Joe Cipriano.

[Matt Norlander]

You know, he's on his way.

[Gary Parrish]

He's a quarter of the way. Be careful. You don't want to look up. Hey, there is no way you could become Joe Cipriano at Cincinnati. You won't get that much time.

[Matt Norlander]

You will not. You will not. You will not get that time. I need the next email. Whatever fan base is out there, let us know when it's time to talk about your coach and we'll do it.

[Gary Parrish]

Let's get it exactly right.

[Matt Norlander]

We want to have it possible.

[Gary Parrish]

We got to have it exactly right. Anytime it's time to talk about a coach going forward, it will be time to have a real discussion about that coach. That's the way it starts, which is hilarious and perfect. It's time to have a real discussion about West.

[Matt Norlander]

The reason why I like that is the idea that the emailer had was probably like, for a few weeks, like, I want to send this email to GP and Norlander, but it's not. It's not time yet. You take another loss. I'm getting close. I just can't. I can't. I can't do it. And then something happened. It was like, it's time.

[Gary Parrish]

It's time. It is now time. Kenny Satterfield is not walking through the door.

[Matt Norlander]

Ah, man, oh, man. By the way, Nick Van Axel in my. In my package cards here. By the way, back in the day NBA Cards Troy from Birmingham Emails As a Birmingham resident, I'm wondering on a scale of 1 to 10, how shocking it is that Bucky McMillan went to Texas A M. How shocking is that on a national level? Last year we had a lot of shocking hires, you know, led by Cal to Arkansas being the most shocking one. This one, there weren't a ton, like, I don't know what the most shocking one is. Is it Jay Lucas to Miami? Is it like kind of go back to, let's say, you know, first week of December, if we told you any of these things happen, like, is it Lucas to Miami? That might be it. Is it Kevin Willard to Villanova? Bucky wouldn't be like the top two, maybe top three. But he has never, I think this email got sent because he had never lived outside of Greater Birmingham in his entire life. And so now he goes to College Station. I put it at like a 4.8 on it. You ask a scale of 1 to 10, Troy? I put it at a 4.8 in terms of like, he wasn't necessarily expected to for sure get a high major job, but there was some buzz like Bucky could be getting an SEC gig, you know, come 26, 27. So it might be ahead of the pace, but it was, sir. It would certainly, in my opinion, rank among the four or five more surprising ones. And he's not a, he's not a well known name. We talked about it on our coaching carousel recap. It will be interesting to see if he keeps his system. GP and I are both rooting for it because we kind of want to see a guy at the high major level just go full out, all out, press up tempo, try and get 78, 79 possessions per game. If you convince players to do that, I think it will be fascinating. But it is among the more shocking ones to me.

[Gary Parrish]

GP it was, I guess, surprising in the sense that that's a pretty big jump to go from high school to the SEC in such a short amount of time. But, like, who were they gonna hire? I mean, you get to a point where it's like, there was a time not too long ago when high major job opens and it's like, okay, there's Archie Miller at Dayton and I know that didn't work out, but like, he was established and considered the next great thing. And then there's shock and smart at vcu and whatever the equivalent of that would be now doesn't really exist, does it? You tell me.

[Matt Norlander]

No. No, it's not.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah, yeah. And, and in previous eras of college basketball, you could like, if you were a good high major job, you could look at maybe some of the traditionally bad high major jobs and go, go grab that coach if he were doing well. But with few exceptions at this point, if you are in a power conference and doing well, your school, even if it is traditionally irrelevant, they now have the money to pay you to stay there. And so the only way another big school would be interested in you is if you're doing well. And if you're doing well, the school you're already at will give you all the money to keep you and then you don't have to relocate, your family and your kids are happy. And it's just, I think it's harder to hire coaches maybe than it's ever been. And you got to take chances on guys that don't have the credentials that maybe a Shaka Smart had or even an Archie Miller had before they jumped to the power conference level, if that makes sense.

[Matt Norlander]

All right, your next up.

[Gary Parrish]

We are. Okay, this one comes from Boston. Evan. Evan's in Boston. This year, 89 of D1 schools attempted 20 plus threes per game, the highest rate since 2016. The NCAA moved the 3 point arc back by nearly 2ft in 2019. Is another adjustment impending? They talk about this all the time at the NBA level and there's some thought that moving the three point line back again, just unintended consequences creates more problems. And so this is one of those where I am not ignorant to the fact that a lot of people are bothered by the amount of three pointers being taken in basketball games. Now just last night, I mean The Celtics took 60, 45 of them. Right. It just doesn't bother me as much as it bothers other people. Like I don't mind watching a game where a lot of three pointers are taken. I don't feel like I'm watching something other than basketball. So I might be in the minority here, but I don't, I don't have any, I don't have any issue with more three pointers being taken than we used to take. It's fine with me.

[Matt Norlander]

Last season, A record high 275,867 three pointers were attempted in Division 1 basketball. Now I don't know if that's all Division 1 versus Division 1 teams or if that includes the D1, the games where D1 teams are playing non D1, whatever NCAA site officially 275867, that's up, that's up, you know, more than 10,000 from a year ago and almost 20,000 from two years ago. But I don't think it will be moved again. College line is 22ft 1 and 3ths inches. NBA is 23ft 9 inches. So about 1 foot 8 inches more. I don't think it will be or needs to move yet. College basketball isn't as three point reliant as the NBA. It's a good question, but I think, I think the line where it is is perfectly fine and we still have enough different styles make different fights in college basketball doesn't suffer from the same amount as of, of sameness I guess as, as the NBA does. Nada wants us to go to the last question and I'm saying no, I'm saying you read. I'm doing question 12 real, real quick and then we will do 13 and then I'll bail out of here if I got it. When you can wrap the show, Randy from Alberta, Canada wants to know who are your top 10 most explosive or expressive coaches. Here are my top 10. Not exactly in order. Okay. These are all active. Dan Hurley, Bruce Pearl, Mick Cronin, Tom Izzo, Fran McCaffrey. Still active. Now the coach at Penn, Bobby Hurley, Rick Pitino, Eric Musselman, Sean Miller. And number 10. I am saying after watching his histrionic act at the Final Four, Todd golden was out there and. And definitely very emotive and expressive. I don't know if that's definitive. 10. I don't know. Frank Martin should still be on this list. Anyone that I named or didn't name that you would put on that top 10? I'm just scrolling through now and expressive like Sean Miller isn't. Sean Miller is among the most expressive coaches out there.

[Gary Parrish]

Yeah. So I don't know that Shaka is explosive, but he's expressive.

[Matt Norlander]

He is expressive. I considered Shaka, but. But I didn't put them on. Yeah, yeah. If Dan Hurley is number one, who is number two?

[Gary Parrish]

I mean, obviously John Calipari belongs on there somewhere.

[Matt Norlander]

Is he? I thought about him. I don't know if he's top 10 or not. I thought about him.

[Gary Parrish]

John can be explosive and expressive.

[Matt Norlander]

Hurley is considered to be number one. Right now I have Pearl listed second. Who's two? Is it Pearl, Cronin, Izzo, McCaffrey and Bobby? I think those are the five in contention to be number two.

[Gary Parrish]

I mean McCaffrey is the one who you see just like.

[Matt Norlander]

But he's almost. He's like, you know, he's like, he's. He simmers, he simmers and then. And then he has the moment.

[Gary Parrish]

I don't think he Frank. Like, and I'm not trying to goof around or be funny or whatever, but, like, Fran has moments where you're like, yo, man, you need to rel. Like, you need to relax. Like, you need to. Like, if you were. If it was your. If it was your kid's teammate's father at a baseball game, losing their mind like that, you would pull them aside and be like, yo, man, you're freaking everybody out. You gotta calm down. Like, Fran has a little bit of that, doesn't he?

[Matt Norlander]

He does. Well, there's the classic moment where he would del. So did this just to stare down of the ref. Kevin Brown. Kevin Brown on the call. What is happening here? It was. Was classic and hilarious there. But we have gotten this. I put this on. On the. On the rundown because we have gotten a version of this question here and there over the past couple years, and I don't think we'd ever, uh, run it down there. But, you know, generally speaking, I would say college basketball, while it's different than me and boy, do I need to go get my kids here. So you got to take the last question. GP but college basketball coaches acting differently than the NBA. I understand why you'd want more on the NBA side. I could make. You can make that argument. But I actually think it is also a good thing for the sport that you have coaches that sometimes are easy. Easy on the camera lens to bring more attention to it, albeit, you know, there's obviously room for criticism when it comes to that stuff as well. I will take this state of this. Of the game more than just having forgettable, monotonous coaches that kind of just blend into the scenery, if you get what I'm saying there.

[Gary Parrish]

I. I would be the opposite. If I were in charge of the sport, I would instruct my officials to. To rein this in a little bit. Like, we're not doing it. We're not just going to let people yell the whole game. Just. We're just not going to be yelling at each other the whole game. You can yell at me once, but you're going to get a tech. And if you do it again, you've got to go. There isn't some, like, magic thing that makes NBA coaches, broadly speaking, act more reasonable throughout a game than college basketball coaches.

[Matt Norlander]

It's just that it's called owners.

[Gary Parrish]

I think in one sport it's allowed. In the other sport, it's just not allowed. It's just you. You'll see, you'll see blow ups every once in a while, but they are few and far between. Between. You cannot turn on college basketball on a Saturday without seeing some coach lose their mind. And I would, if I were, if I had the power to do something about that, I would, we would make it a point of emphasis. We're going to rein this in a little bit. We're like this whole every time the whistle blows, you like throwing yourself on the ground, acting like a seven year old, like we're not going to do that anymore.

[Matt Norlander]

It's time to get serious about the fact that I need to pick up my kids from school. So I actually do literally need to bounce right now. So we're going to do the reverse of what we did with GP just a minute ago. So, gp, wrap the show however you want. We have one more about Larnell if you want to get to it. If not, we can save it for another one. I will be back soon. Appreciate everyone for emailing and continue to find us GP it's yours and we'll talk soon, buddy.

[Gary Parrish]

Bye. Bye. This is the benefit of living in the central time zone, by the way. I don't have to pick up my kids for about another 45 minutes. So let's wrap this up with one last question. It comes from Rick. He's in Pikeville, Kentucky. Says he discovered the podcast when the FBI investigation began and have been a dedicated listener every day since. Thank you, Rick. This is what I'd like to know, what happened to Larnell? You have to admit he reached near legendary status here during that time and it's still part of the shouts. I think many of us would like to know whatever happened to him, where he spent. Okay, we'll stop there. I don't know what happened Alar now, and if I would have seen this question, say two days ago, I would have sent some text and, and did my best to try to discover where he is right now, but I didn't see this question until about five minutes. We're about to start. So I assume, here's what I hope. I hope he's living with Deandre Ayton. I hope that Deandre Ayton and him haven't lost their relationship after they were connected at the hip during the recruiting process. For people who don't know, allegedly Larnell like pocketed 10 grand just because he was friends with Deandre Ayton. Like that was one way a coach or an agent decided to get close to Deandre Ayton is you got to work through Larnell, and I just always loved the idea of a dude named Larnell just getting $10,000 or however much money it was simply for being an associate of deandre Ayton. We should all be associates of a deandre Ayton. So I don't know where Larnell is at today, but I hope he's still Buddy Buddy with DeAndre Ayton and and benefiting from the NBA contract that DeAndre Ayton enjoys, at least for now. I know his career hasn't gone exactly the way some of us anticipated, so not sure where Lauren L. Is, but I'll work to find out. And if I ever discover the answer, I'll be sure to share it. Let's get out of here. Shouts to Devin Downey shouts to Chester, S.C. shouts to Terry Teagle. He's a legend. Huff Larnell thank you guys once again for watching and listening to the I Own College Basketball Podcast. If you're not subscribed, please go subscribe anywhere you subscribe to podcasts, Apple, Spotify. There's more of us than there are of them. That should be reflected in the comments. So do that and we will talk to you again real soon. Till then, take care.

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