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Players Era Festival: changing Feast Week, the Maui Invitational & hoops in November; Purdue destroys Texas Tech; weekend recap: Wake-Memphis, BYU-Wisconsin + more
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Paris
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Gary Parrish
I am Gary Parish. Welcome back CBS Sports. I own college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting Dodo birds Leaky Black Matt Norlander is here with me. If you're watching on YouTube, be Brandon Davies. Smash that like button. And if you're one of us, let the world know in the comments and in the chat. If you haven't already subscribe to the CBS Sports college basketball YouTube channel, please also do that while you're here, let's get into it and we will get to some of the weekend's top results in a bit. We'll start that conversation with Purdue, Texas Tech, but I want to start this conversation about some of the multi team events getting underway and how the evolution of college athletics has changed Thanksgiving week for college basketball pretty dramatically. And we can begin that conversation by pointing out that Norlander is in Las Vegas right now where the Maui Invitational murder weapon is can be found. Norlander, you have a piece up on CBSSports.com about the launch and evolution of the Players Era festival. It's a 23 minute read. Let's try to be a little quicker over here for folks who don't have all afternoon to read about a college basketball tournament in November. Can you explain the Players Era Festival, how it works and why the Maui Invitational's blood is on its hands?
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Paris
Your words, not mine. You will not find the phrase. I don't think you'll find the word blood in the story, period. I remain, well, hey, I have access to it.
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Gary Parrish
I could get in there and put that in right now.
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Paris
That sounds extremely ethical. By the way, I have major issues with our algorithm continuing to over inflate the time it takes to read. I promise you, you read the story top to bottom, you're in and out in 15 minutes. That thing ain't taking you 23. But it is a big story, a big picture story. I'm here. Players there is going to get started Monday with 18 teams. Half the field is ranked. But yes, this in year two is something of an inflection point for I think where college basketball is when it comes strictly to the November portion of its schedule. And the existence of Players Era, which still remains a very hot button topic in our sport, is going to really determine which way we go over the next three, four, five years. So there's a ton to get to here. But the bottom line is the emergence of this event, which just as a quick refresher because I think part of this discussion also ties to people. Is it a tournament? Is it not a tournament? Is that the one where they get paid money? Where do they play it like the Players era? If you're a die hard college basketball fan, you have a general understanding what it is. But I still maintain that this has not yet penetrated into the general sports consciousness. Now by virtue of having a variety of ranked on ranked matchups this week, that's going to change. And then a year from now, as my story details, when they want to go from 18 this year to 32 next year and that would involve FIFA style pool play that feeds into a bracket championship. Then you are talking about the kind of event that will downright overwhelm every other event in the month of November. And the question is, is this feasible? Question number two is is this legitimate? Is it viable for long term? I address these questions. I spoke with the co founders to quote it on the record extensively for the first time in the story that you can read on the CBS Sports app or@cbssports.com but I do want to send it back to you in relatively quick fashion then however you want to team me up, team me up. Or we can just kind of hash it out here over the course of 10, 15 minutes or so. I think the players era coming into effect is a is a generally a good thing for college basketball parish because it is giving us another event with hall of Fame coaches, future NBA lottery picks, although one of them now is now not going to play. Darren Peterson for Kansas. Bill Self has announced that after his latest checkup he's not going to be on the floor. We'll get to more of that near the end of the show, but you've got some big time brands that are involved and even bigger ones that are going to be joining next year. We'll get to that in just a few. As an 1816 team event, I think it's very good and very viable. I have some questions about if 32 is frankly too big. You can call me, you know, a bit old fashioned when it comes to this stuff. Guilty as charged. I very much don't like the idea that Maui Battle for Atlantis, which right now as as of a couple of weeks ago I was told Battle for Atlantis doesn't have a single team committed for next year's field. You have these other MTEs which are at real risk of either dissolution or massive downgrades if, if, if they don't change their format, they don't change their overall structure and whether they're paying out teams and players or not. But big picture Parrish, where do you land on 40% of the high major teams next year will be in this event? Good thing, bad thing. Where do you land on this for college basketball?
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Gary Parrish
I don't mind a new event coming along where there's universities can make money that is redirected to student athletes. I think you got to be a weirdo to have an issue with that because what you're arguing, if you argue against that is what you want instead is events where a lot of people make money but not the student athletes. So I, I like the, I like the core of this. I don't like the field as it is. I mean, there's a lot of good teams, but I, I like to look at a bracket. They call me old fashioned, but I like to look at a bracket. I go, hey, if this team wins on Monday and then they win again on Tuesday and this team over here wins on Monday and Tuesday, then going to play each other on Wednesday and that's amazing. I can't wait for that. That's not that. Yeah, we don't get that with this. And so I don't like that, Like, I, I, I can't map out the championship game right now because of the unusual number of teams in it. So I don't like that aspect of it. I do like getting a bunch of good games and compelling games. So I'm in favor of that. I don't like what it has done to specifically the Maui Invitational that has been a staple of Thanksgiving week forever. Like, like, it's just something you like. It's Thanksgiving, you go to Grandma Jewel's house, you get a Grandma Sero's house. But you know, in the, in the days leading up to that, you're going to have watched the Maui Invitational for, for three days. Like, I have real memories of, of that event. I got to go to it. I believe in 2018. I, I, I, I know you've gone, I think it was last season. It's, it's, there's something special about that. The little gym, the, the beaches and the mountains. That's a real memory. And for a lot of young people, that is the first time they've ever flown outside of the continental United States when they go, for some people, it's the first time they've ever been to a beach. And I don't like having that diminished to the degree that it, it is diminished. But like our buddy Seth Davis pointed out on X earlier today, you know, you, you, this is, this is the, you know, there's evolution in all business models and it's just like, you know, Blockbuster worked just fine until Netflix came along. And then you got to figure out, you don't just complain about Netflix, you got to figure out how to survive or not. And Maui is now in a situation where if they ever want to have the type of fields they used to have, they're going to have to figure out how to change with the times. And what does that mean? It means finding investors, sponsors, however, to create the same types of carrots that the players era Festival is putting out there for universities because, you know, we can keep this pretty simple. If it cost you money to go somewhere as opposed to get paid to go somewhere, well, almost any walk of life, you're going to do the thing that you get paid to do as opposed to the thing you got to pay to get to do. Just to put a spotlight on the Maui film, I just went and looked at the one that existed when I went, because I remember it being awesome. And what we had was the championship game was number one Duke against number three Gonzaga. All right. Auburn was also there. They were number eight at the time. All three of those teams ended up in the Elite Eight. Auburn made the Final Four. We had Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish, Tyrese Halliburton, Rui Hachimura, Brandon Clark. I mean, it was awesome. And the best you're going to be able to do in this year's Maui Field is a number 25 NC State versus unranked Texas. That's the best you can do, probably, with all due respect to everybody else. So I wish. I wish there was a way to make that event great again, not to borrow that phrase, but they're going to have to change their business model or else it won't.
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Paris
MGA make Maui great again. MGA rolls right off the lips.
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Gary Parrish
Make Maui great again. I mean, obviously you could say that in a variety of ways. You know, Maui's been through it a little bit.
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Paris
It has, absolutely. And I was there a year ago. It was the best field ever, statistically, in terms of the number of teams that were ranked involved in all of then. You know, when Auburn won, Janai Broom came out of that as the. As the. As the leader at that point for national Player of the year. And that really set the stage for the next two and a half months with. With Broom versus Flag. And I went. And I went a year ago because I knew how great the field was and I worried about what the future of Maui will be now a year from now. The Maui field is actually a little bit better. But the question becomes, what happens after that? And, oh, Paris, there's just a lot we can dive into here, okay? Specifically as it pertains to Maui and frankly, also the battle for Atlantis, which, you know, entered onto the scene about a decade and a half ago and was a disruptor then in a different way, but a disruptor nonetheless to a similar extent that Players ERA is now. And it was like, wait a second, okay, so we're gonna go to the Atlantic Ocean now and you're gonna have teams go like play in a hotel ballroom. And there was a lot of dismissive attitudes about a lot of that stuff. But we saw what Battle for Atlantis grew into. It was a nice counterbalance both geographically, but also in terms of, you know, TV programming and just getting more really good teams together. And now Players ERA has, it's hurting Maui. It may kill the Battle for Atlantis. I mean, the field this year is objectively the weakest it's ever been. And if it exists next year, in the year after, who knows what that field is going to be comprised of. If the organizers is actually the same event operator that now runs Maui and Battle for Atlantis, they are going to need to determine how they can get have a business model that is going to pay teams to play in those events. Because travel and Maui's way further than the Battle for Atlantis. But the plane travel is a big thing. I can just tell you I've spoken to a number of people at top 20 level programs, both recently as in the past couple of weeks and dating all the way back to a year ago when I went to Maui. And their viewpoint is when we're there, we love it. It's an amazing gym. I love that I've had the opportunity to come here a couple of times to get my players to have this experience. But the travel is real. And by the travel, it's when you play and you come back, you feel it for a week, if not two weeks. Okay, but call it just a week if you want to say the coaches are over overstating that we lose money on the event, it costs and what. And the benefit of playing in Maui in 1997, in 2001, in 2010, even as recently as GP is when you went in 2018. Okay, that is not the benefit anymore. It used to be a massive recruiting pitch for a lot of players. Now it's just not the same anymore. And Maui is going to have to adapt. I would argue that the Players ERA championship is merely accelerating a reality that was going to arrive anyway because the Maui Invitational as it stands right now cannot. You're talking, you're listening to someone who wants to see Maui in perpetuity be a tournament that that always matters, that is always able to field two or three teams minimum, that when they play in it, you say that could be a final 14, three or four months from now. So while a lot of the anger and frustration is directed toward the players era, I get that it's not just that. In fact, I'm going to quote a coach at a top 10 program who spoke to me on background about this, he said, quote, Maui's gonna die just because everyone needs money and we're doing anything we can get it to pay players. We're playing exhibition games to make money. The single sole driving factor in all of this is how can I get extra money, end quote. And to that, the coach was also speaking to these exhibition games. Now, you know the high profile ones we talked about on the pod about a month ago, teams were getting paid 300, 400, sometimes 500. I believe Carolina, BYU, that exhibition game, I believe both of those teams got paid $500,000 to play a game that does not count in the regular season standings period. So it's not just your players era. But I want to dive into a little bit more on that gp. It is where we are at when players, rightfully so, have moved into a spot here where they can command some money. This is way overdue and figuring out how the overall economics of this is going to work is going to take time. It's going to be a little bit messy, there's no doubt about it. But I do really hope that Maui can find a way to sustain itself and I think it probably will. I just have questions about are we going to look up in five years? It's still going to be something worth watching because it's not an accident. It's not a coincidence that a year ago most people wouldn't remember this, but players ERA played a couple of days before Thanksgiving, took a break and then came back after Thanksgiving. That calendar doesn't really work. So now this year, what's going on, it is head to head. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of Thanksgiving week, just like Maui, because that is the most prime real estate. We have good stuff on Thursday, we have good stuff on Friday, don't get me wrong. But Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday are the biggest days for basketball. Between the hours of 12:12 East Coast Time up until, you know, 9, 10 o'. Clock. Overall, Thanksgiving, there's going to be a huge game on cbs. Duke, Arkansas, it's going to be awesome. Yukon, Illinois will play the day after Thanksgiving. That's going to be good. Tons of people will watch those games. Duke, Arkansas will be the most watched regular season game of the entire regular season because of it being on CBS and being Duke and being on Thanksgiving, coming out of football. But that's a standalone kind of thing. When we're talking about the programs, the events that matter that get the most attention. It is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday of Thanksgiving week. And now the question becomes what does Maui do to adapt? You and I both know we both grew up watching another really cool faraway tournament that got big time programs, top five programs, top 10 programs, and in 2017 it died. The Great Alaska Shootout. For about 20 years, the Great Alaska Shootout mattered just as much as the Maui Invitational, but it became too expensive to go to and it went through a time 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years where the fields just got a little bit worse every year. They just degraded just a little bit every time. GP and eventually it, it wasn't worth having. I really, really, really hope we are not in the beginning of the end stage with Maui where we look up a decade from now and it's barely hanging on before fading away entirely. I want to believe that it won't, but I think that reality, although it might be a small percentage chance, is nonetheless on the table because of the modern era with nil and player empowerment that we're in.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, I'll try to be quick on this and then I want to, I want to get back to the players era and I just want to pepper you with some basic questions I'll ask him from a place of ignorance or a pretend place of ignorance so that, so that listeners actually know what it is they'll be watching this week.
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Paris
Yep.
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Gary Parrish
On Maui, the travel is real. I mean I obviously, I live in the central time zone. So I went, I think when I went, I went Memphis to la. That's, that's like five hours nearly. And then it's, I went LA to Honolulu and then Honolulu to Maui. And I mean, buddy, I mean, dude, you feel that?
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Paris
Why the chick feel that? Yeah, I got LA to Maui direct. So I mean that's. Wow, okay.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, I did not have LA to Maui direct. So it was Memphis to LA, LA to Honolulu and then Honolulu and you feel it. And then, and then, I mean I probably should have gone earlier. Teams I think go earlier. But like I then wake up on Sunday and you know, it's like, man, I'm just awake. It's just 4 o' clock in the morning and I'm awake and I remember thinking, I guess I'll just get up as soon as the sunrise and go for a nice walk. It'll be quiet. And what you find out is Everybody's outside at 5:30 in the morning because everybody's awake because they're coming from the continental United States. So the travel is a real thing and the, the toll it takes on you is a real thing. But, but I, I like you hope that we can Figure out a way to keep it. Keep it notable, because when I walked in that gym, like, I'm not exaggerating when I say this has been a part of my whole life. It started in 1984. That lines up with when I became a college basketball fan. This has been my whole life. And when I walked in that little gym, if it reminded me of the first time I ever walked into Wrigley Field, the first time I ever walked into Fenway park, it's like, man, I've seen this on TV my whole life, and now I'm here. Look at this.
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Paris
Yep.
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Gary Parrish
Look at this. And I. I hope that doesn't go away. And I also. I think this is important. You know, a coach told you it used to be a big recruiting tool, but it doesn't matter as much anymore because everybody's just chasing money as opposed to nice trips. But, like, it is a nice trip. It's an awesome trip for people. It's just. It's just awesome.
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Paris
Gorgeous. Yes, I will go. I'd never been. And when I was there, I called my wife, I said, I will bring you and the kids to Maui one day. That we are. We will come back as a family and visit this place.
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Gary Parrish
Yes, it's beautiful. It is. Like, I. Ignorant, you know, I. I like, I grew up going to the beaches down in Florida and stuff, and people would be like, yeah, I'm going to Hawaii. And I would always be like, go to Hawaii.
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Paris
Why don't you.
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Gary Parrish
Why are you going all the way over there? Sand and water, but it's not. It's just different. And you. You can see it. You can feel it. It's great. And that's a real trip for young people to take that. That last. A lifetime memory. And it is something that some of those young people have never had the opportunity to do and. And perhaps would have never otherwise had it. And I hope. I hope we don't lose that with the battle for Atlantis. I'm less nostalgic about it, obviously, but I will say I have taken my family to Atlantis the past two summers strictly because when I watch that tournament, it just looks awesome. And I'm like, let's go there. And so it's a big advertising tool for them. I mean, I. I wonder how many people have gone there simply because they heard about it or saw it, was exposed to it during basketball. So if they can't get a basketball tournament of any substance, they're gonna. They need to do something. I don't need to tell their marketing people how to handle. They'll figure it out. They don't need me. But I mean, it, it, that basketball tournament exposed me to that resort and my family had, has been there two years in a row to. That had nothing to do with basketball. So, yeah, the, you know, all of this is, you know, move, moving pieces and we'll see where it goes from here. But I, I, I love the Maui Invitational, and I hope it, I hope it can, can maintain its place in the sport. I, I hope this season is the worst, the worst of it, the worst we've ever seen and the worst we will see for a while. Back to the players era. All right, just, I'm just, I'm gonna pepper you with questions. You, you're the one that had the 23 minute read. 18 teams are in this 18, 15 minute read.
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Paris
Let's be real. 18 on the men's side, four on the women's side. Yes.
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Gary Parrish
Okay. Okay. 18 teams. How much does each team get?
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Paris
That is to be determined. A year ago, everyone got a million dollars, and then the top four teams. And these are all very good questions, by the way. Let's, let's just go players dummies. Yeah, without a doubt, many teams involved, because I asked the founders, will be receiving $1 million. It is not clear at this moment whether every single team will receive a million. And an important distinction here because there's a lot of, I say there's a lot of detractors. Basically every other MTE operator in the space looks at the players there and says there's no way they can pull off, say they're pulling off. This will eventually fall apart. At some point. That in mind, teams are now more on the hook for ticket sales the same way they get to be in college football with the Bulls. But generally speaking, the majority of teams are expected to bring in, if not a million dollars, close to a million dollars this year. When we go to 32 next year, that number will collectively come down for a number of teams.
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Gary Parrish
So one of the things we always hear is, man, this is a way for the players to get some extra money in their pocket. Let's talk specifically players. El Marco Jackson's gonna be there. He's gonna play three games this week for Kansas. How much money he's gonna make this week?
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Paris
Good question. I couldn't tell you exactly with El Marco Jackson, but I did ask the, the co founder, anybody.
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Gary Parrish
You get the point.
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Paris
Yeah, yeah. How this actually works, everything that they do for nil, some of it's, you know, as simple as they're doing stuff on a phone. And it's, it's, it's being done through that. It is, it will be and has been reviewed by Nil. Go through Deloitte. It's, it's also dependent on the team. So it's a very good question, Parrish, because I talked to a couple of coaches on background about this back over the summer, and coaches have very different. One coach might say that the entire team is going to get pretty close to even Another coach and program might say, actually that's not how we're breaking this down. Here's how it's going to break down after the fact. But I think if you are a player that matters, a player, you know, let's say that. Let's just, let's talk about, like, the 20 or 25 players that will probably wind up mattering most in this. They will be earning for sure, five figure nil compensation to play in this event.
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Gary Parrish
It is interesting how different programs break this stuff down differently. I know one program, I'm sure you do, too, that actually, like, has an algorithm that they use. They've created an algorithm. So think of something like player efficiency rating. It's not that, but it's something they create. And it's like, okay, you're number one in our algorithm. You get this percentage of our budget. You're number two in our algorithm. You get this percentage of our budget. And, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll allow themselves some wiggle room and like, you know, you got to negotiate sometimes. But they basically have a board in place that says, if you are this, this is what you get. If you are this and you guys get to decide what you are, it's up to y'. All. And so. And then there's others that just, they'll make it even. And then others that, you know, they pay the people. It's just like, you know, you're signing free agents and you pay whatever you got to pay. All right. How do the organizers explain to you that this is financial financially feasible? Because so many people are skeptical of that. And I want to be clear, like, just because people are skeptical of it doesn't mean anything to me. Like, the people who are skeptical of it probably aren't on the inside and in the room looking at the, you know, spreadsheets and stuff. But I'm interested, when you talk to these people, how do they explain to you, yes, we can afford to pay all this money to all these schools and still make money ourselves?
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Paris
Correct. So a year ago, the tournament did not make money this year. Ian Orifice, who previously was a chief executive at Time Inc. Is now the CEO of a production company called Ever Wonder. This is the company that has helped Netflix do the NFL Christmas Day games. It did the Jake Paul Mike Tyson flight on Netflix. It's done some documentaries, all this stuff. They helped make sure that the tournament could essentially be solvent and still operated a loss a year ago, he said. This year they will operate not only in the black, but ticket sales and sponsorship revenues will cover the cost of the tournament. This is a quote from Orifice Quote My previous role Running time is why we run this differently than most other event organizers when we look to the future. The main difference between Players ERA and any other early season tournaments in the past they were running a single basketball tournament. Players ERA is a brand. It has different product lines. We have another basketball showcase we're excited to announce shortly. We're exploring college football opportunities. Players ERA is a media company. It is not a basketball tournament. He said the sponsorship with GEICO is significant. Do I have a number for you? I do not. I frankly hope to get that number on the record at some point over the next three days. We'll see if they disclose that. Publis this group is another media company that has put in a ton of money. MGM Resorts International has also provided a lot of money. It's their properties here. The the event will take place at two different arenas. Michelob Ultra arena which I was over there today. Really nice arena. That's where the Las Vegas Aces play and then Grand Garden arena which has been around, which has been around forever. Big boxing fights have happened there. Those are the two arenas where the games are going to happen. That in addition to north of at least 6 million and apparently I don't have this officially on the record but apparently ticket sales might be able to climb to 8 or 9 million after not making a dent whatsoever a year ago. That is additionally how they are helping fund and get a tournament in the in the black. On the men's side, the founders did say that the women's side will operate at a deficit this year.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah MGM sounds like somebody's trying to get into Hakkasan. You trying to get a Hawkinson night?
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Paris
I told Josh before we went live that there was a chance we might drift into some previous stories here. GP has some Hakkasan stories from back in the day but we got a lot to get to and I we can't get sidetracked. But no I will not.
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Gary Parrish
Trust me, I don't think it's in anybody's best interest for any ha sign stories to get out there. All right, I, I think we, I think everybody swore, swore that maybe that night we didn't swear because nobody could really think straight by the end of it. But I think the next day it was like, all right, I don't think we need to talk about that ever again.
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Paris
Keep it rolling. I will not be going to Hackathon.
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Gary Parrish
Okay, last thing on Players ERA and I you just talked about ticket sales but I don't know what those numbers mean. Here's what I'm asking you. So often in these neutral court tournaments we turn them on and it's like oh cool, that team and that team is playing in Brooklyn. Nobody's there, right? What's this going to look like when I turn on my television? What is this is it going to look like? Man, there's big time basketball and there's and all the seats are filled because that is one of the things that makes Maui awesome is that you turn it on and there's not an empty spot in the place is what's, what's this going to look like?
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Paris
Question. Because they are selling out sessions. Not selling out, they are selling sessions. So for example, I'll be at Taylor Creighton to start on Monday but then the next game after that St. John's and Iowa State. So it stands to reason that one of those fan bases facing the camera will probably be either St. John's or Iowa State. So you could still get that during the first game. But apparently there's, there's going to be a pretty decent contingent. On Monday the Big will announce a four or five year deal with players so that the top eight schools Big 12 will auto fill into the 32 team players era tournament starting in six. This is an unprecedented arrangement. Even with that there's going to be some inconsistencies. For example, Arizona is scheduled to play in Maui next year. Arizona is going to finish in the top eight of the Big 12 this season. I don't think you'll see Arizona employer there next year. We'll see what happens beyond that. But it is a significant, significant partnership for the viability and long term sustainability of players era. So just keep that in mind. I'm just ping ponging around on a few different things. Since this is not a bracket for this year and it will be next year, the teams that will have a chance to finish in the championship game in top four, you have to go 2, 0 and then it's the margin of victory and if the margin of victory is the same, then it's whichever team average more points per game and then.
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Gary Parrish
I don't want that.
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Paris
I know you don't. I'm just telling you what it is. And then if that is still the same, which it won't, it is whatever team allowed the fewest points per game. But there is an inherent. Like, even though Kansas doesn't have Darren Peterson, Kansas has to play Syracuse and Notre Dame, not projected tournament teams. Meanwhile, Gonzaga and Alabama have to play each other. So the, the slope and the team that you have to play against is not exactly even. So that is obviously ripe for some deserved criticism overall. But if you're wondering how this in general works and why we don't know the Wednesday matchups, that's exactly why. It will be entirely dependent on who wins, who loses, and what their. Yes, margin of victories. Oh, but also it caps. So the margin of victory caps at 20. So you can't run up the score by 47. Once you win by 20, that's as much as you can go.
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Gary Parrish
I'm still winning by 47. Whether you.
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Paris
But I'm saying for margin of victory, it caps at caps at 20. There's plenty more. Go, go.
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Gary Parrish
Read the read. It will not impact my approach at all. You can cap me at 20. I'm still trying to beat you by 47. I hate that aspect of this. I would, I would. If I would have been in the room, I would have said, hey, guys, Instead of doing 18 men's teams, let's cut it to 16 and have two 18 tournaments and play it Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and have two 18 brackets. I, I would have, I would have suggested that. I like to look at a bracket. I like to play in my Wednesday. I have no idea what I'm going to be watching on Wednesday. I don't even know what the possibilities are. And I, I don't. I don't like that. But whatever. Last thing I'll say for everybody who's wondering or worried about whether it is financially feasible this event. Like, I, I wouldn't care, like, if I'm Kelvin Sampson or Bill Self or whomever. I'm just like, is my check going to clear this year? Then we'll be there and then you. And then you guys can figure out whether you can do it again next year or not. But as long as my checks keep clearing, this is what we're going to do. And I'm not, I'm not really worried about it. Like, I don't care if they make money as Long as my. As long as my check gets delivered. So it just seems like that's a. There's a lot of oxygen used on that part of this conversation. And I just don't know why anybody really cares other than the people who need to make money. Like, I don't need to make money off of it, and Kelvin Sampson doesn't need to make money off of it. Kelvin Sampson just needs to make sure they get the check that they promised them to give. And if you keep doing that every year, we'll keep coming back every year. And the first time you can't. Well, then we'll stop. But any thinking about it, any more than that seems like wasted energy to me.
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Paris
If anything notable. But I'm not frozen.
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Gary Parrish
I'm not frozen.
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Paris
I was trying to give you a quick hit pod. Let's. Let's talk about the results that frankly, feel like five days ago, but they're interesting nonetheless. From Friday night. Where. Where Gary Parish. I'm going to say it before he can. He went 50 in the final 4 and 1. Good on you, buddy.
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Gary Parrish
5 and. Oh, and I even questioned myself. Yes, privately.
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Paris
Well, you know what happened? You tried to sort the data too early. You were moving too tough, you got.
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Gary Parrish
Yourself in trouble too quick. Hey, there were some interesting results this weekend. The ones I picked, I picked them all exactly right. Surprise, surprise. We'll look back at some of them next, starting with Purdue winning the Baja mar championship by 30 points over Texas Tech. My God. First, though, let's get a word from our partners.
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Gary Parrish
Final score Purdue 86, Texas Tech 56 Purdue led by 23 at the half, by as many as 33 in the second half, won the game by 30. Somebody was telling the whole world a few nights ago that Arizona had to move to number one. And I was like, well, if Norlander says so, I guess I'll move. I guess I'll move Arizona to number one. Stop. Teammate. I was trying to be a good teammate.
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Paris
No, own it.
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Gary Parrish
I was trying to be a good teammate with you. I woke up and and I was still trying to figure out, what do I do? I love Purdue. I'm like 47. Boilermaker. They haven't lost. They're undefeated. They're number one. I'm a good percentage Boilermaker. I don't know. But. But Arizona does have the best body of work. That's undeniable. What do I do? And then I get in slack and it's like, here's an Orlando column. I'm saying if you don't make Arizona number one, you're a GD idiot. And I was like, I don't want to. I don't want to deal with that. And so I was like, I guess I'll be a. I guess I'll align. I guess I'll align with my teammate and be a good teammate. And next thing I know, Purdue's out there beating Texas Tech by 30. Look what you done got me into.
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Paris
You did it to yourself. Okay? Do I need to read from your top 25 and one opening? Do I need to read your words that you wrote? I didn't make you write these words. You wrote them.
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Gary Parrish
I don't. I don't. I'll deny him if I don't like them.
- [36:03]
Paris
Yeah, you're just. You're just dripping with moral turpitude here today, Purdue.
- [36:11]
Gary Parrish
There ain't nothing you're about to read to me that I. I won't blame on Jack Crosby.
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Paris
Okay? Oh, my gosh. All right, Purdue fans. Every right to crow. Now, Arizona still has. And, you know, we're. We're not even to Thanksgiving. Plenty of time. Arizona has the best resume in college basketball. Purdue was 24 hours removed from almost losing to Memphis, and then it absolutely pasted Texas Tech 86, 56. Oscar Clough showed up, had an awesome night. Honestly, this was one of those kind of games where Purdue. Good on you, but I was bummed as hell. I was like, man, this is a top 15 matchup, and we're. It's just a runaway here. We're not even getting a competitive game. Tremendous balance across the board from the Boilermakers. Texas Tech was not ready whatsoever. This was a butt whooping of the highest order, and Texas Tech won't help. Texas Tech will not lose a game like this again the rest of the season. I don't know if Texas Tech will wind up as a top 10, top 15, top 20, or unranked team by the time we get to, say, selection Sunday. But I'm inclined to believe that they will get the rack together and. And be a team with a quality number next to its name when the bracket is revealed. And if and when that happens, this kind of victory, unusual floor will only reinforce what I'm guessing will be Purdue's very convincing case. As a 1 seed, J.T. toppin had 15 points, 8 boards, Chris Anderson 13 points, 3 turnovers, just 1 assist, 1 steal. They didn't get any help whatsoever. Now, some of this was Purdue was just flame throwing. I mean, just really tremendous balance across the board. When I watched Purdue play, I actually started to just kind of chuckle internally because of the Arizona stuff, and I was like, damn, I'd love nothing more right now than the Arizona. Purdue just play a game. You know, these teams are operating so well and Purdue to win the way that it did, mighty, mighty impressive. And as a result, Paris put Purdue back at number one in his rankings.
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Gary Parrish
That is not true. I'm not going to do that.
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Paris
I can.
- [38:06]
Gary Parrish
I like I, I. You write about it in a nuanced way and you know, people just, they read what they want to read. Here's, here's my honest to God sentiment on this whole Purdue Arizona thing. You could have either one of them number one and it's easy to defend with Purdue it's like they're already number one in the AP poll. They just beat a top 15 by 15 team by 30.
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Gary Parrish
Are undefeated. And I actually do believe that they will remain number one in the AP poll because I don't think AP voters are going to drop a team that just beat Texas Tech by 30. But remember when I moved Arizona, that had not happened yet. I could have flipped back to Purdue and I guess that would have been fun in the spirit of page views. But you know, trying to stay logically consistent if I'm going to move Arizona to number one on a whatever Thursday morning because at that moment, Quite clearly with three top 15 wins, they've got the best body of work. Well, even after what Purdue did to Texas Tech on Friday night, Arizona still has three wins over top 15 teams. Purdue doesn't. Arizona still in this moment right now has the best body of work. So I just have left it as it is. But I, I don't think there's a wrong answer. Arizona, Purdue. You could put it in any order and nobody can sensibly call you nonsensical.
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Paris
Would agree. Purdue, if you're going to be the kind of team that has national championship expectations, Final Four, all that and that's Purdue is for Purdue fans. They were probably just anxious, eager, hopeful to get a kind of win in the first couple weeks of the season where you just lay down the hammer and that's exactly what this was. I thought it was reaffirming to their, their potential, their ceiling and a really, really good win. There's not a lot, not a ton left to say about, about the game because it was just an absolute runaway and I again I the way they played was extremely inspiring. From the starting five to Jacobson Meyer off the bench. Those, those were your biggest players. Kari Harris also dropped in a dozen by getting some even more burn good job out of them. Let's keep it in the Bahamas. Baha Marvel, you got more you got more.
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Gary Parrish
Just, just a couple things on this I thought were interesting.
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Paris
Okay.
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Gary Parrish
I just. That was the best performance of the season by any team, I think. Certainly any team in a high profile game against a top 15 opponent. They were awesome from start to finish. I mean it was foot on the gas, you know, boot on the throat, never take it off type stuff. There was one point like it's 60 something to not even close to that. And I just sort of noticed because I've got the box score in real time right in front of me. It was like the most balanced. All five starters had exactly 10 points. 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. And so, and then Clough got going and finished, I think with a team high 15. He got 15 and 15. So I love the balance, the depth, obviously the talent with two all Americans. I love Matt's approach. Obviously he is a little bit like Tom Izzo in the sense that he would rather recruit high school players, develop them and watch them grow and then use them to, to, to, to win big things. I mean, that's what he did with Zach Eaty. While Zach Eaty was becoming a two time national player of the year, the Trey Kaufman Rand like literally red shirted one year and then was a role player behind Edie for two years, just waiting his turn and then boom, the breakthrough comes last season and now he's a monster. But, but Matt isn't so rigid in his thinking that he recognized. Okay, I've got Braden Smith back, FLETCHER Lawyer back, C.J. cox back, Daniel Jacobson back, Trey Kaufman rim back. Man, we're good. What do we need exactly to be even better? We need, we need size up front. We need, we got to add rebounding and that is Clough and he's been perfect in that role. So I love that they, they were very deliberate in what they were in trying to supplement the homegrown roster. And it looks like they knocked it out of the park. They knew exactly what they were looking for and they went out and got it. And then I don't know if you heard this, but in Matt's postgame He talked about J.T. toppin and it was just interesting. You don't hear coaches talk like this too often. And I think Matt might just be getting to a place where he's just so comfortable in his own skin that he can talk in ways that maybe other coaches don't. But he was like, Toppin came out, took two awful shots and really helped us get going. And he was like, to be clear, like J.T. toppin's great. But, but he, he should not be taking those shots. He was taking early and it got him. He was never able to get in rhythm. His team never got going. And Matt was, it seemed to critique the other team's best player in a way that was totally respectful. I'm not trying to make anything of it other than you don't hear this too often. It was just like, you know, I know we got all Americans, they got an All American, but I thought a key to the game was their All American coming out, taking a couple of bad shots early and allowed us to get going. And I just, I don't, I'm, I'm. I just thought it was interesting to hear him, hear him say that in, to be clear, again, the most respectful way.
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Paris
Okay, Totally, totally good. In the interest of moving the show along. That was good. Additional insight. Sorry for trying to nudge you early. Let's get to the other game though. That happened on Friday night at the Bahamar.
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Gary Parrish
Oh, man.
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Paris
Wake. Wake forest beats Memphis 69, 68. We might as well just get to the ending first year. I believe Josh has it. So let's just, let's just see what played out there in paradise late on Friday night.
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Gary Parrish
Last chance for Wake. A baseball pass.
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Paris
Spillers catches Colvin for the win. He got it.
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Gary Parrish
Miles Coleman wins the game. Just the dumbest. Just the dumbest way to, to lose a basketball game. If you're Memphis, let me provide some context for you so you can understand exactly how they screwed this up. Okay, first off, about 15 seconds before that happened, Memphis is, is up to with the ball. There's about a 12 second shot clock difference between the shot clock and the game clock. And Zach Davis takes a three, misses it. But it's a long rebound and it's one of those threes where he sees it's missing before everybody else does and he just sort of ran it down, got his own rebound. What you're supposed to do in that moment is and let him come foul you because the shot clocks off and now you're going to the free throw line, shooting two free throws with a chance to put the game away. Instead, he just put it right back up. Couldn't have missed it worse. Next thing you know, Memphis is filing a Wake Forest player and you're shooting two free throws at the other end to tie the score. So all you got to do is like literally just don't shoot it again. Hey, you're. You've got the ball in your hands. Just hold it. Hey, dude, just hold the ball. They'll come tackle you, and you're going. You're gonna go shoot. Free throws. He put it up. Free throws at the other end. Now you're tied. Doug McDaniel comes down, gets into the paint, gets fouled. 1.5 seconds left. He makes the first, puts Memphis up a point. And at that point, hand to heart. We're sitting in studio, and it's like, me, Wally Zerbiak, Chris Walker, Keanu Martin, and me and Waller like, you got to miss this. Just miss this. And the announcers on the game were like, does Memphis need to miss this? The answer is yes, obviously. But Nobody told Doug McDaniel to miss it. It didn't occur to him to miss it. So he makes the free throw. If he misses it, here's exactly how the game ends. Wake Forest grabs the rebound, maybe takes one dribble, and it lands at the free throw line and the game is over. The Tigers are one on one in the Bahamas. Because he made it, it allows Wake Forest to set up an inbounds play that it practiced on Wednesday, tried in a game on Thursday, and then executed perfectly on Friday. The decision not to miss the free throw quite literally cost Memphis a victory. Penny Hardaway, to his credit, held his hand up afterward and said, I. I made a mistake. That's on me. But I just. If me and Wally Zerbiak are going now, Memphis needs to miss this in real time. And the announcers on the game are saying, Memphis should probably miss this in real time. I. And I'm not ranting and raving. I just don't understand how somebody on your staff can't be like, hey, hey, hey, we should miss this. Hey, I don't understand how that slips through. That was a really bad moment. I. I don't want to coach, Call it coaching malpractice and use any of those buzzy terms, but it was a. A coaching mistake that cost a win. There's no way around it.
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Paris
Yeah. And now Memphis is in the position where we talked about on a recent show, it's not looking good. They need to somehow find a way to reverse course or they're just. It's going to be a completely lost season before, practically before it even really gets going and begins on the Wake Forest side. Since gpg Memphis angle. Man, oh, man, did Steve Forbes deserve that one. I mean, just to. To get it the way he did. The team Twitter account actually shared the video of them running through it the day before, which was actually who, I don't know, whoever thought of it. Great Stuff that's, I love seeing that kind of stuff. And then they, you know, smash cut to when they actually ran the play for real on Friday, on Friday night. And, and really cool. So they get the win. They almost beat Texas Tech. They almost beat Michigan. You know, those two, those are two losses to rank teams by a combined two points for Wake Forest. They, they needed this one just to, you know, gather themselves. They got it in dramatic fashion. They did it on the play Pacer, which is obviously the Bryce Drew play that won it for Valpo in the 98 tournament. Yeah, big time stuff. Miles Colvin, you know, formerly of Purdue, of course, which got the win down there and, and he didn't have to face his former team. And actually if you, I'm sure you picked up on this as well. When Colvin hit the shot, that was the first game. And so all the Purdue fans are in the building and they were really happy for him. It was a very, very like an under the radar, super cool moment because Colvin, as I understand it, you know, he would have been a really good piece on this Purdue team. But I suppose, understandably, you know, I don't fault him for it. Son of Rosie Colvin. Roosevelt Colvin, by the way, former Chicago bear. Real ones, no. 8 and 3. It's a big, it's no big deal. It's all good. Colville wanted to go.
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Gary Parrish
I'm sure, I'm sure it'll end well, like it always does.
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Paris
It's going to end better than it has. They had five wins last year. They're already at eight. Okay. So yes, it is going to end better. It can't.
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Gary Parrish
Hey, I take that back. Just because, just because the Grizzlies stink and the Tigers stink and the Mets collapse, I don't, that don't mean I got to try to bring you down. I, I apologize.
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Paris
I, I, I. For the first time ever, earlier today, I watched an NFL Sunday at a Vegas sportsbook. Was a, was a cool deal. Bears fans all around, we were having a great time. Love to see it. Colvin just wanted to go to a place where he's getting more run. Okay. And he probably got more, probably got a bigger paycheck to go play at Wake Forest than he would have at Purdue. And it could have been a kind of situation where, you know, there can sometimes be some bitterness. I'm sure Matt would have rather had Colvin versus Not, but he doesn't. And the fact that they wound up in the same event and then he hits the shot to win the game Right before Purdue's about to play. And all the Purdue fans that know him, love him well, were there. I thought that was a really, really cool moment and a very much needed win for a Wake Forest team. I don't know how good or not they are, but I know they needed that win.
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Gary Parrish
I mean, weight could be as you illustrated. I mean, they could be 60 and ranked reasonably in the top 10 right now. Yeah, I mean, tons of games right now.
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Paris
Well, heading in. Yeah.
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Gary Parrish
It would refresh this.
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Paris
This weekend. I don't know if they'd be top five because they started unranked, but they'd be in the top 10 if they had been able to beat Michigan and. And beat Texas Tech. But I didn't do that.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, there's a very realistic scenario where they've got a Michigan win, a Texas Tech win and a zero in the lost column. I mean, you just have to flip a couple of possessions. Now, obviously, you can flip one possession and they lost the Memphis game. So, you know, give or take and all that stuff, but the margins are very, very thin. But yes, Wake needed that one. It was a nice victory for them. The next one I want to get to Nebraska 86, Kansas State 85. And the reason I want to get to that next is because it ended the exact way Memphis Wake ended. Did you see this?
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Paris
So, okay, yeah, kind of. There was the ref did. I don't even like we can keep it moving, but the officials like that clock thing. If that. If what happened in this game with the clock at the end happened, not even in the tournament. I'm talking like a January Saturday when a lot more people are paying attention to it would have been a way, way bigger deal. Super weird. I can't imagine that the official that put unjustifiably put more time on the clock to allow Kansas State to win the game. Didn't get some sort of talking to, I would think, but it was.
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Gary Parrish
It was weird, but it was ultimately inconsequential. So let's just focus on what happened.
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Paris
Yeah.
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Gary Parrish
Tie game. Sam Hoiberg gets fouled. He goes to the line, makes the first just like Doug McDaniel. And you're not going to believe this. You know what he did next? Intentionally missed the second. And you know what happened next? The game was over. They won and everybody celebrated. Everybody was happy. And Now Nebraska is 6, 0, longest winning streak in the country. Active winning streak in the country dating back to last season.
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Paris
You're gonna rank them.
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Gary Parrish
They're already number 26, baby boom.
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Paris
They deserve to be. I saw C.J. moore earlier today and he was like Nebraska might actually be good. And I was like, I think you're right, they might be. We'll see. But I that was a good win. And cornhosters fans, we're here for you. GP's got it ranked. They really might, they might have something here.
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Gary Parrish
Well, at some point I'm, I'm like picking between honestly like Indiana, Nebraska, NC State. They're all sort of in the same range like good computer numbers. But then there's other teams that got good computer numbers but they don't have any wins. They've just been beaten bad teams by, by 40 and I don't really care that much about that. So I was just looking for somebody when I wanted to get Wisconsin out. We'll get to them next. Looking for somebody that has, you know, solid computer numbers. You know, the, the record has to be what it. But also at least has a win, a notable win over somebody and getting a win over a Kansas State team that had just blasted Mississippi State pretty good. I thought that was a nice win. I do have Nebraska at number 26 in the top 25 and one another blowout between ranked teams. Friday was not competitive. BYU 98, Wisconsin 70. Richie Saunders got 26 points. He's already got two 26 point games this season. AJ DeBonsa, 18 points, but only on eight shots. Which give me your thoughts on what you saw from BYU and then I'll tell you why. I really like the idea of debons and getting 18 points on eight shots.
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Paris
I won't say it because I saw your studio hit and I agree with you. So I'll sit out for that. Take that. You're going to give in just a second here. I think this is 50, 50 what this result was about on BYU and Wisconsin side. Oftentimes I feel it's, you know, versus one team versus the other. But here kind of both. I mean Bucky had not played a high major team yet this season. It goes and plays, you know, at the home of the Jazz, which you could not have missed if you watched the game because they had an NBA cup game later that night. So you had a super weird visual of a college basketball game happening on an NBA cup floor. Almost vomit inducing. Whatever. We can keep it moving. So the Badgers, we wait and see. Okay. How real versus not are they? They might have just had a bad night. BYU did not. They cruised. They went by 28. They almost hit 100. And you could talk on Topaza I'll talk real quick. First. Getting K to back was good. Wasn't a player of massive consequence, but he's back on the floor. That's. That's good to see. We still haven't had, you know, we, we still wait for if and when we will. We'll have Canard Davis back. He didn't play in this game. Saunders is, I'm not surprised whatsoever by what Saunders is doing. He was basically just about this good. Or if not this good, he's gotten a little bit better. His role last year was essentially this and one of BYU strengths. Really, really may be this season that you might have a handful of games where Rob Wright is the dude, But Saunders and DeBonsa can probably trade off on beating the leading score and say, okay, is it your night to get 27 or is it mine? And that's a, that's working from an advantageous position. The defense is also definitely better from a season ago. You'll know, you'll remember. That's one reason why I wasn't as high on BYU going into the season as GP was. It's not an elite defensive team, but it's definitely solid so far. And now two and one against high majors. The Nova win on a neutral. The Wisconsin win, essentially a home court win. And then they only lost by two flying across the country last weekend against UConn. Good gains for the Cougars, who will play in an MTE down in the ESPN Events Classic later on this week. What are your thoughts on the Bonser?
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Gary Parrish
Well, like, if you watch the game or even just saw the highlights, I did that highlight like it felt like eight times on Friday. Friday we were in studio from like midnight, from like noon till one. All right. It was a long day. I mean a great day. We're just talking about basketball. It's fine, but like a long day. I think I did that highlight like seven or eight times so I could still see it. Like I'll be able to see that highlight for the rest of my life. And back to back plays, it was just run him off a screen, get him to the elbow and he's got somebody on his back. It's a smaller man on his back. Bounce it, bounce it. Turn and shoot over him because you're big and skilled and the other person's not as big or as skilled. My point is he can get that whenever he wants. You could run that play every, you could run that action every possession. He could get that shot whenever he wants. What he is already showing very early in a season where if he wanted to go get 30 every game, he could. I believe that if he, if you could take him and say, hey, I want the goal tonight is for you to get 30, go. He could do that. I love that he's comfortable letting Richie Saunders go out and take twice as many shots as him, that he's comfortable only getting eight in a game. Like when's the, when's the time before he got to BYU where AJ ever took eight shots in a game? I, I just like that he's not shot hunting even though he could be the best shot hunter in the country. And if I'm byu, that, that makes me feel good. My, my five star freshman who everybody says could, could, could maybe, I emphasize the word maybe, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but could maybe like lead the NBA in scoring someday. He's very comfortable not even leading BYU in some games. And that's a, that's a wonderful sign because it's not a lack of aggression or any of that stuff. It's just that, hey man, we're a basketball team and I don't have to be the guy that goes and gets every shot.
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Paris
Yeah, I think this is frankly going to pay off a couple of times later the season when as a function of this and for teams that are going to prep against BYU knowing that DeBonsa who will always be a threat on any given possession because Saunders is going to be a looming threat and Rob Wright can really get into the cracks and crevices, it's gonna, it's gonna get BYU a couple of wins against some tough opponents. I was, it was a very inspiring win for the Cougars the way they got it there on Friday. One more from Friday that we need to get to that was also in the final four. And one, and that is Louisville beating Cincinnati 74 to 64. Quality watch. Competitive game for the majority of of the contest until, you know, final few minutes. Louisville winds up pulling away and the way that, you know, Cincinnati really did give them a real fight in a way that, you know, the Bearcats kind of like Wake Forest, like they got to pick off some of these wins here. West Miller has not been able to get to the NCAA tournament yet. This is a hot seat season, but Louisville is just a really good team. It's a better team. It's a really hot offensive team. Overall. The Cincinnati was the second high major that Louisville had played. They had the win of course, at home over Kentucky. This one was in Cincinnati's backyard. It was not at Cincinnati's home.
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Gary Parrish
Crib.
- [58:26]
Paris
It was at Heritage bank center, the, the big arena there in Cincinnati. But Ryan Conwell erupted 25 points, five of 10 from behind the arc. Mikhail Brown also had a relatively solid game. He got a lot of his points at the line, frankly, and he was really pouring it in there. In addition to six assists, three steals, four turnovers. But Conwell was the guy in this one and, you know, just a quality when it kind of got lost maybe a little bit in the mix there on Friday with, with a lot going on. But I was watching, I was impressed. Louisville got a real fight early from a team that may prove to be good enough to make the NCAA tournament. Parish. But ultimately it said, nope, we're the better team. We've got the better offense. We're going to find a way to get this done in hostile territory. And they got it done.
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Gary Parrish
You know, I'm anywhere between 47 and 54% boilermaker, depending on the day. You know that I've been a Sun Devil.
- [59:14]
Paris
Yes.
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Gary Parrish
What I'm about to say is something I, I never imagined saying. It's not something I, I could have imagined saying when I was a child. As a man who was raised on the Metro, Louisville's got a chance to be my favorite basketball team.
- [59:31]
Paris
Okay. Look at you.
- [59:33]
Gary Parrish
I've never said that before in my entire life.
- [59:36]
Paris
Well, you're wearing your Pat Kelsey glasses when you say it, so there you go.
- [59:39]
Gary Parrish
If my mom, if my mom hears that my mom still hates Danny Grom. Rest in peace. All right. I love this Louisville basketball team. I love everything about it. I love the way it was built. I, I, I love going out and hey, let's go get the five star lead guard with size and then let's just surround him with shooters. And so they bring in Ryan Conwell, bring in Isaac Manigli. Conwell right now is shooting 45.2% from three on 8.4 attempts per game. McNeely right now is 37.8 from three on 7.4 attempts per game. More than half of Louisville's shots every game come from beyond the ARC. It's like 52.2% according to Ken Palm. In five games they have taken 168 threes and 154 twos. They're taking 33.6 threes per game, making 35 of them and that's enough to give them the third ranked offense and adjusted offensive efficiency over@bartorvik.com so just to update it if you're keeping track, Pat Kelsey, according to Pat Kelsey, I'm not the type to be out here talking about another man's wife. But this is what Pat Kelsey said. Pat Kelsey, he has a hot wife. He has healthy kids and shooters. What is better than that? Hot wife, healthy kids and shooters.
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Paris
Let's figure it out.
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Gary Parrish
Hot wife, healthy kids and shooters.
- [61:11]
Paris
Yeah.
- [61:14]
Gary Parrish
That is how you win in life as a coach or otherwise. Hot wife, healthy kids and shooters. You got those three things. You got a chance.
- [61:25]
Paris
Good stuff. Poll right now on, on YouTube. If you're watching who will be number one on Monday? Arizona. Who should. Who will 75 say Purdue. I agree with that and I know Paris does as well.
- [61:38]
Gary Parrish
Yeah, I think, yeah, I've explained it. I think Purdue will, I think Purdue will be number one and I have no issue with it.
- [61:43]
Paris
Two more results before we take one more break and look ahead. One being Clemson winning against Georgia 97, 94 and OT was able to keep, actually I was able to keep eyes on that at the sports book because every game conceivable and every horse race imaginable was happening. It was a, it was a, it was an amazing scene right there over at the Mandalay Bay. So I was able to watch and keep tabs on this 1. Clemson is 6 and 1. The only loss came last weekend against Georgetown. But as we were talking to start the show about MTE events now that had to change. You know, this was the Charleston Classic. Clemson needed to win two times, not three to win this bracket, but they get it done. Beat West Virginia on Friday, got the win over Georgia here and Brad Brownell, he's got some big ones coming before, before too long. Alabama, byu, they await in the coming there, but a nice start and then the other one that we must get to. And not only must we get to it, we're a couple weeks here into Josh helping us do the show. Josh is a Butler alumnus. He is 100 bulldog, whereas you can be anywhere from 17 to 55 boilermaker on a given day. Josh is 100% bulldog and his bulldogs are 5:1. They were able to win down at the Greenbrier Classic. They beat South Carolina on Friday and then they beat Virginia on Sunday. Admittedly here I was bouncing around, went to a few shooter rounds. I did not see a wink of this game, but they won 80 to 73, beating a Virginia team that I think most thought was going to come out of this event with the win. Virginia actually had a tough battle on Friday against Northwestern. Got out of there with a win, couldn't do it against Butler. Josh flip on the mic. He Podcasts about Butler in his spare time. Oh, by the way. So this is his Eye on college basketball podcast debut. Yeah. Thoughts on on what's going on with your Bulldogs. You ready to write them into the tournament or what?
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Josh
Maybe pump those breaks just a little bit? We've done this, this one before where they look look nice in November. And then the Big east tournament comes. Big east regular season comes around and winning games at a high clip. There is, is a different beast. But. But they're fun. Before the season we talked about they. They're gonna be fun. We'll see if that means good. And at this point, we'll see how good. But at 5 and 1 and. And almost beat SMU on the road to be 6 0. The I think good is, is up in the air right now.
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Paris
Okay. Fair. They've also got one of the best names in the sport, by the way, Parrish Finley. Bizjack. Legitimately a baller, 25 points, only two attempts from three point range, but he went for 25. And I know Michael Ajayi also had himself, had himself a day there. So that's what Josh sounds like. If you'd like to see. Go ahead. Go ahead. GP I wanted to get him into the mix before long. He loves his Bulldogs. They had a good win. Give him a little, little debut here on the show.
- [64:45]
Gary Parrish
I, I don't, I don't think we've ever said this. Like Josh, obviously a Butler alumni also. Do people know this? He's a Memphis guy.
- [64:53]
Paris
Yeah, there we go.
- [64:54]
Josh
A little homie from Memphis.
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Gary Parrish
Josh is one of my little homies from Memphis. Like, make sure I've got this right on a visit while you were in high school. Not to try to pat myself on the back. I swear that's not what this is about. But did I, did, did I set it up where you guys got a, got a tour of Hinkle Field house? Do you want to give me credit for that?
- [65:13]
Josh
I. I will give you credit for that. Yep. Chris Holtman, back at, back in the day when he was the head coach, we got a tour of the place when I was a senior in high school.
- [65:24]
Gary Parrish
It is holding.
- [65:24]
Paris
He doesn't get enough credit.
- [65:26]
Gary Parrish
And yeah, I remember when that was one of those things. No, this is actually a credit to Chris Holtman. I just knew that Josh and his father were going up to Indianapolis to visit and I was like, hey, like I, I know the basketball coach there. Maybe I can. I'll just let him know you guys are coming and what? And I text Chris, I Was like, hey, I got some friends coming up. And, you know, they would just, you know, just whatever. I don't even know what I said. I guess I could look it up. It's probably still in my phone. And next thing, Chris is just like, give me the phone number, and I'll. I'll take care of it. Next thing you know, he's reaching out to them, invited, inviting them to shoot around, giving them a personal tour of. He, like, getting a personal tour of Hinkle by the Butler coach. That's a cool thing, and it's a. It speaks to who Chris is as a person. Just like, just the best of the best. And so, like, Josh, I. I don't know that I've known Josh dating all the way back to then, but we've been aware of each other for a long time. You got two homies from Memphis right here on the pod now.
- [66:20]
Josh
There you go. Like 10. 10 years ago, ish. That I sat in on a Gary Paris show in Memphis. Memphis, Tennessee, on radio. It's been a long time.
- [66:32]
Gary Parrish
Holy crap. I forgot all about that.
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Josh
Yeah.
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Gary Parrish
You came in studio one time. I have no. I have no recollection of that. But keep in mind, I have had a lot of. I've had a lot of.
- [66:43]
Paris
No, he doesn't remember anything.
- [66:45]
Gary Parrish
I've had a lot of Young except.
- [66:46]
Paris
The Nice and Hakasan. He remembers those. I promise you that.
- [66:48]
Gary Parrish
I remember very little of that, actually, to be honest.
- [66:52]
Paris
He doesn't remember anything.
- [66:56]
Gary Parrish
Here's the short version of the Hakasan night. I remember seeing Kim Kardashian inside Hakasan.
- [67:01]
Paris
We did do that.
- [67:02]
Gary Parrish
Yeah. Next time. Next thing. Next thing I actually remember if you were like, all right, GP Give me your memories. I remember seeing Kim Kardashian at Hakasan.
- [67:10]
Paris
Okay, can I guess what you're gonna say? Can I guess real quick? I think the next thing you're gonna say is the next thing I remember is I had a transfer in Atlanta.
- [67:18]
Gary Parrish
That's it. I landed in Atlanta. Yeah, I landed in Atlanta is the next thing I remember.
- [67:23]
Paris
Oh, my gosh.
- [67:24]
Gary Parrish
That was because I went straight from the club to the airport. I went to the club, went back to the hotel, got my bag, and went straight to the airport.
- [67:32]
Paris
I want to say that you also maybe brought clubs, and that was the year we played golf in Vegas. And somehow you got your clubs with you to the plane.
- [67:40]
Gary Parrish
Amazing. I did all right, by the way. This is nothing to brag about. It's actually kind of pathetic. All right. But it's a true thing that happened. I apparently left the club, got into an Uber, went back to my hotel, showered, packed all my stuff, got into another Uber, went through security, got on the plane and went straight to sleep. Woke up in Atlanta. But I don't. I know I did those things because I had to have done them.
- [68:07]
Paris
There's no.
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Gary Parrish
Well, I had to have done them, but I don't remember any aspect of that. True story. I get to Memphis International. My golf clubs are not there. All right? They're just not here. So I walk up the baggage claim, and I said, hey, I need to check and see how many bags I checked. And the guy goes, how many bags did you check? And I said, well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. And he said, well, you tell me. I said, no, I think you got this backwards. I need you to tell me how many bags I checked. And he's like, how many bags were you supposed to. I said, I'm hoping you're going to tell me. I checked 2, but I only see one. Well, did you check it or not? The guy's like, well, did you check it or not? I said, buddy, I know this is. I don't know if I checked my bag or not. It. My golf clubs could still be sitting in a hotel room in Las Vegas because I just didn't get them. I don't know. He calls it up on the computer. He's like, you checked them? They just got left behind. They're on the next flight. I said, yes. Very proud of myself. Like, it was amazing. I put. I pulled all of that off. A little embarrassing, sure, but also amazing. If also amazing.
- [69:03]
Paris
I've got the. I've got the old Skyline behind me by right now.
- [69:06]
Gary Parrish
Look at that. Oh, man. Oh, buddy.
- [69:09]
Paris
Yeah, There we go. There we go. Good little. Good little view. Just want to get a little style, actually. In fact, hold on, hold on. And we got to take a break and preview, but if you really wanted my view, that right there, that's where Hakasan is. Hakasan's in that building right there, buddy.
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Gary Parrish
Oh, man. I left all my pride in that place.
- [69:28]
Paris
Still got the David Copperfield thing going on, by the way, all these years. That's. I gotta admit, that's kind of shocking to me.
- [69:33]
Gary Parrish
But I thought. I thought he. I thought he got me, too.
- [69:37]
Paris
But we can keep it moving.
- [69:38]
Gary Parrish
I thought he. I thought some people said some stuff about him.
- [69:41]
Paris
Me too.
- [69:42]
Gary Parrish
But his.
- [69:42]
Paris
His face is still on the. Is still on the casino, so I don't Know what? You know what?
- [69:46]
Gary Parrish
I think we're living in a country now where it does not matter what you've done. I don't know if you. I don't know how much you follow the news, but I think we've reached a point in our country where it does not matter what you've done. You can still do anything you want.
- [69:58]
Paris
First of all, Josh, you got to push. He's. We have a private chat, so sometimes there's the show that's happening beside the show. Josh, when you have lines like this, you got to drop them in the chat, not the private chat. He's laughing. The fact that I was showing you the Vegas skyline and you were waving at it, you're like.
- [70:11]
Gary Parrish
I just. It was like an old friend. It was like my friend. I was like, hey, it's good to see you.
- [70:17]
Paris
It does. It does feel good.
- [70:18]
Gary Parrish
It's.
- [70:18]
Paris
I haven't been here since 19, maybe. Feels good to be back. I'm excited for the. For the games this week. And on that note.
- [70:24]
Gary Parrish
Yeah.
- [70:25]
Paris
Let's get a word from our partners. We gotta preview these games and I gotta. I gotta eat. I haven't eaten like 15 hours. I'm starving.
- [70:30]
Gary Parrish
I was thinking. I'm thinking about eating, too.
- [70:32]
Paris
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- [72:10]
Gary Parrish
All right, let's look ahead for the next couple of days and let's try to, let's try to get through it a little. Let's try not to make this a 23 minute read, if you know what I'm saying.
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Paris
Without a doubt, make it on Monday.
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Gary Parrish
Out in Las Vegas. Some interesting games. Here's a few I picked out St. John's Iowa State at 4:30 Eastern Houston Syracuse at 6 Eastern, Oregon Auburn at 8 Eastern. I love this. I just like having a late night game to watch. Gonzaga Alabama 9:30 Eastern do you know what you're gonna be doing on Monday yet?
- [72:36]
Paris
I do. In fact you didn't ask for it, but I guess you can ask explicitly for it. I'm going to give you my schedule I the games I will be at on. At least this is the plan. We'll see if if results prompt stuff to go. Otherwise on Monday I will start with Baylor Creighton, then St. John's Iowa State, then I will switch over to the other arena. I will be at Houston Syracuse to make sure that I'm there in time for Alabama Gonzaga which is the best matchup of the day in Vegas. And then we'll see. We'll see. If I stick around for the Maryland Maryland UNLV nightcap, I actually may stick around for a little bit of that. It's going to be like a 9 o' clock local tip so I'll be there for that on Monday. Purely players there so there's more happening. But that is my particular schedule for tomorrow.
- [73:21]
Gary Parrish
That sounds very much like the last Peach Jam game of the day.
- [73:25]
Paris
We all know what that's like.
- [73:27]
Gary Parrish
Yeah, that's like. I mean I think I, I think I've seen enough for the day. We're gonna you ready to get out of here. That Maryland UNLV sounds a lot like a last game of the day.
- [73:37]
Paris
I know I will. Well that's going to be a play it by your situation so I've got HQ hits and stuff to do as well and we'll see if Alabama Gonzaga is an epic then we'll, we'll see what goes on but to your to bring it full circle. Most of the stuff that will bring intrigue. It's going to happen in Vegas on Monday, I'd venture. J.P. to you. What's the best what's the best Maui matchup, USC Boys State, which isn't, it's not awful, but there's not like a headline, headline kind of, headline kind of game here. And this also happens to dovetail with Shamanad, which frankly I'm fine with Shamana playing in it because Shaman helped this thing possible to begin with. But every other year they get, they get to play in this thing. This year they do. It happens to be a down year for the field. And so that's not, that's not helping matters for Maui's watchability index.
- [74:23]
Gary Parrish
I, I don't even know the Maui first round matchups off the top of my head. I could look at them.
- [74:27]
Paris
I got them for you. USC boy. I got him. USC, Boise State, Arizona State, Texas and Seton Hall. North Carolina State are the D1s versus D1s and then Washington first, I guess Arizona State, Texas.
- [74:38]
Gary Parrish
But like it's just, that's, that's just, that's all respect to those programs. I'm not trying to, to, you know, not trying to do what it sounds like. I just Maui should have a better field than that and I don't like that it doesn't. But we could get on Tuesday a possible NC State, USC semifinal and that would be pretty good.
- [74:57]
Paris
That would be good.
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Gary Parrish
Elsewhere on Tuesday, St. John's Baylor, Houston, Tennessee, Michigan, Auburn, Maryland, Gonzaga. Those are all in Vegas. You get North Carolina, Saint Bonaventure and Fort Myers tip off. The other game there is Michigan State, ECU and I believe this is one of those deals where we're not playing it to a bracket. It doesn't matter who wins these games. We're going to have North Carolina, Michigan State on Thanksgiving. Event organizers, they got burned by those like 20 years ago. Yeah, you'd look up and it'd be like, oh my God, it's East Carolina against North Carolina. How do we end up with this? We were supposed to have Tom Izzo. So no matter who wins these games, Michigan State, North Carolina will play on Thanksgiving. Ole Miss and Iowa play at 9:30 Eastern on Tuesday night. CBS Sports Network. That's two possible NCAA tournament teams. Normal non league game. I kind of like this Kansas State at Indiana Tuesday night thing.
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Paris
Sneaking in there. That's they made it happen. That is in folks. That is in Bloomington 8 Eastern on Tuesday. Fox Sports 1.
- [76:06]
Gary Parrish
Yes, that's terrific 8 Eastern FS1 and like I mentioned, you could get NC State, USC in a semifinal in Maui on Tuesday if both win Monday. So you're going to be occupied out in Las Vegas. Yep, great place to be. But this is also just a wonderful television two days of tele college basketball and television. You're going to have compelling matchups all over the country and on basically every channel that carries this stuff.
- [76:33]
Paris
No doubt about it. My plan, Tuesday as it stands right now, I'll be at Iowa State, Creighton first, then Houston, Tennessee, probably the best game of the day or matchup of the day. Then Michigan, Auburn. I will be at Oregon, San Diego State. That's your late night tip on the East coast, about an 8:15 or so tip I think when we get going here in Vegas. And then UNLV is again the late tip against Alabama late on Tuesday. And then after we get through all of Monday and all of Tuesday, that's when we will know the matchups for, for Wednesday. So that's a general look ahead. And just as a reminder here, Wednesday I'm going to be bouncing all over the place so I will not be able to do a Wednesday show. But I do want to give you some sort of content some way somehow. So I'm going to try and squeeze in like just an appetizer size 10 minute monologue recap if there's something big on Monday or Tuesday. A little bonus stuff from me that I can give you. But I think GP is going to have to tap in KB for the Wednesday show because I'm going to have, I'm going to have games and I'm three hours behind and the schedules just don't quite line up.
- [77:27]
Gary Parrish
That's all right. I will be in New York, Norlander will still be out in Las Vegas. And so what we'll probably do is that 9:45am Eastern start that we've tried to hit and I don't think we've done it once yet but we're gonna give it another shot.
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Paris
By the way, this is Paris is doing HE945 so I'm ready whenever you need me. Okay.
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Gary Parrish
Okay. Okay. Except for Wednesday.
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Paris
Except for Wednesday because I'll have, I'll be at games. Correct. All right.
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Gary Parrish
Well you have a good time in Las Vegas. You tell, you tell Las Vegas I said hello. When you see Las Vegas.
- [78:07]
Paris
I will tell him he said hello. I'm, I'm currently debating because I, I've got, I got, I had the big story up, went to some Shoot arounds. Got to figure out what I'm gonna do. I don't know when I'll next be here. Hopefully not before long. But they are playing the wizard of Oz at Sphere, and there are tickets now, it's like 120 bucks to do, but apparently, like, they've got the wind when the tornado comes through. I haven't seen the wizard of Oz since I was 12. I really might do this tonight. Like, I haven't been to the Sphere. It seems incredible, so I'm gonna try and make that happen. I got a good look at it when I landed last night. I landed essentially as the F1 race was ending and they were shooting off fireworks. But because of that, like, they had barricades around. Like, they race down the Strip. But I got caught in traffic for, like, 20 minutes, as you might expect, on what should be a short drive. And then, oh, my. My Lyft driver from Memphis and talked just like you. It was. Dude, it was freaking me out. He has lived in Vegas for, like, 20 years, but he's from Memphis. It was, it was. Honestly, I was like, this is crazy how his cadence is just like Paris. Like, I almost wanted to start breaking down the Purdue Texas technique five minutes into the ride. But he started talking to me about the Sphere and Wizard of Oz and all this stuff, and he. He's picked up, like, 30 people in the past two weeks, have done it. They rave about it. So you should really have plans to. I don't have plans tonight. I really might. I might dip over and offer a view at the, at the next show. So that's what I'm trying to figure out my plans here. Yeah.
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Gary Parrish
First off, it's funny you say that about Cadence. You know what we get all the time, me and Chris Vernon or both. Like, there are. People are like, you guys sound like just a lot, and they don't. And they say it before they even. It's just people who listen to basketball podcasts, they say it before they know we're best friends and co workers. It's just like this guy who hosts that NBA podcast, this guy who hosts Pocket, they sound alike. And I don't know that it's intentional. I don't even really hear it myself, but apparently other people do. Yeah, I've been to the. I can't say the word sphere. Sphere.
- [80:01]
Paris
You can say the word sphere. It's not growing. You can say it.
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Gary Parrish
Sphere. I, I. My wife and I were in Vegas, I guess it was last year, and it was just like, whatever they're doing there. Let's go see it. Because I just wanted to go inside and see it and it was like a YouTube, virtual YouTube concert. And even that was just cool. It's a cool experience. So what you like just being inside, it's, it's incredible. What I think you could see anything in there and it'd be amazing. But the wizard of Oz sounds like amazing, amazing. So you should go by the dispensary, get you like 100 milligrams. Get you a hundred. Get you a little 100 milligrams.
- [80:36]
Paris
There's nothing wrong with it. I will not be doing that.
- [80:39]
Gary Parrish
You need to go to the dispensary, get you about 100 milligrams and go see the wizard of Oz and have a blast, buddy. Have a good time.
- [80:47]
Paris
Try and make it happen. All right. I think that's a show.
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Gary Parrish
All right, let's get out of here. Shouts to Devin Downey. Shouts to Chester, S.C. shouts to Terry Teagle. He's a legend. Puck Larnell. Thank you guys once again for watching listening to the Eye on College Basketball podcast. You're not subscribed. Please go subscribe anyway. Subscribe to podcast. Apple Spotify. There's more of us than there are of them. That's especially true out in Vegas. Oh, buddy, I've already seen it.
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Paris
I've already seen it.
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Gary Parrish
Okay, what did you see? What did you say?
- [81:15]
Paris
Keep it, keep it. We can wrap, you know, hotel drop.
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Gary Parrish
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Gary Parrish
You'Re not subscribed, go subscribe. Apple Spotify. More of us than there are of them. That's got to be reflected in the comments. So do it and I will talk to you. I will talk to you on Wednesday morning.
- [81:40]
Paris
Until then, take care.
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