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Eye On College Basketball
Portal = closed🚪Analysis on St. John’s, Duke, Memphis, Kentucky, etc. and GP’s new Top 25. PLUS: Guster joins Norlander at the top and debuts our new theme song!
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Matt Norlander
Hey, everybody. Before we get going on today's show, a psa. Longtime listeners will remember how I have swapped out the intro music for the podcast every few years. And in typically overdue fashion, we now have something I've been meaning to do on the show for a long time. Buster. Yes, Guster Brian Miller I will get to in a second. And for podcasters, the new ion college basketball intro music that you'll hear in just a minute. And on every show hereafter is an old Guster named Timothy Leary. I didn't want to just abruptly make this change without properly recognizing it to start the show. So to celebrate the occasion, I have 50% of Guster with me right now. Brian plays the drums and is somewhere in parts unknown with a very spotty connection outside. Meanwhile, Ryan sings, plays guitar, bass, piano, xylophone, and much more. And came extremely ready. We could have picked something like Satellite, Barrel of a Gun, Amsterdam, but no, I had to go and pick one of your deepest B sides ever. I don't even know if you've even played this song live ever. What do we think of my choice here? I hadn't heard that song and, like, until you sent it the other day, I hadn't heard that song in like 10 years. It's kind of good. It's more than kind of good. It's really good. It's a good. It's a great. It's a great selection. It's a deep cut from a deep fan. Hey, we have to get the show started pretty quickly here, but I think our. Our listeners are eager to know. Can I get some hot takes on the 2025 NCAA tournament from both of you? Go. Brian, you go first. I like doing Christian Laitner got the pass from 1990. Brian. 1990. That happened. I'm asking for 20. 25. All right. I did good. I did good. All right. How about favorite NCAA tournament moment ever? Ever? It was when the Gusters for Lovers sticker was bigger than Shashevsky's head. That was my favorite moment and the only time I ever watched. Yeah, that was mine, too. College sports. That's my favorite moment. Single every single time I'm on the podcast and on. On tv. It's right there. Gusters for Lovers every. I love this. I love this partnership. This is so great. Wait, I wish that I. Is the tournament over? It's a real question. Is it over? It's been over for nine days. The Florida Gators International Championship. Should I go? Could I go one year? Yeah, but could you get me in? I want to go. That sounds super fun. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Wait, where is it? Is it a different place every year? It is. Yes. Oh, Brian's trying to talk. Go ahead. It's over, Brian. It's. This year's is over. But here's the. Here's the great thing. They play it every single year. And as predicted, what I thought would be a two minute intro is now turned into something else. Nevertheless, this is the shortest podcast these two have ever done. Okay. And we're will ever do. Tough. You're alma mater Go Jumbos made the Division 3 NCAA tournament, lost in the second round, but they made it 22 and 6 this year. That's right. Wait, where is the. Where's the. Where's the tournament next year? Next year? It is in Indianapolis. Ah, I was. What is that? I mean, I like. It's a great final. We love indianapol. I would like to go to. Wait, so is it. Is it now? Is it in April every year? All right, I'm going. Let's call it a date. I'll go with you next year. Can I sit next to you and wear Augusta's for lovers T shirt? You can see how that goes. We can certainly try. I'm up for it. Brian, you coming too? No, it's like 26 degrees and my hands are numb. This is actually perfect. This is so very. Guster shouts, by the way, to Adam Gardner and Luke Reynolds, who are also in Guster, enjoying their mornings. Have no idea this is happening. And nor do they need to know. But, yeah, we need to. And they never will know. And they don't know of anything about that. They know less about basketball than I do. I don't even think they know that Final Four is. Yeah, we're the experts here. Okay, I really need to start this pod. Anything else you guys want to say before we start talking? Matt, I just want to thank you for your continued stewardship and. And I appreciate your hustle. One last thing, actually, a common. We have a saying on our podcast, and it's. There are more of us than there are of them. And by more of us, it means there are more people that are in favor of premarital sex than not. So for the benefit of our audience, I actually need you both on the record right now, pro premarital sex or not. Brian, you go first. I did it a few times. All right, so you're. You're one of us. Brian, I can only presume you're one of us, right? I mean, I grew up on the Bible belt. The Buckle of the Bible Belt. I. I want to say one thing. If you can hear me, I want to say it was not Tate George throwing a pass to Christian Laettner. It was Scott Burrell throwing a pass to Tate George. Tate George and Kristen Laetner weren't even on the same team. I knew what you meant. Leitner was 92. He also hit a shot that tournament as well, though you've atoned for it. Ryan Rosenworld. Hold on. Are you at that? Are you. Are you not in favor of premarital sex? Ryan Miller. I mean, I don't know. Versus what, like waiting until you're married? Correct. It's one or the other. Wait, who. Who's still into the marriage thing? Although I have heard there's an entire wave of young, conservative Christian people. The wave is swinging back. Yeah, I mean, you should try. Yeah, you should try and do it with some people before you don't do it again with other people. Right. That's going on my soundboard drop. That's going on. That's going on the drop board right there. Great. Absolutely. We might have given Brian frostbite. So my apologies that he does play drums. He needs to use his hands. You two are incredible. Thank you for everything, your friendship, all of it. And. And now. Yes, Timothy Larry is now the bumper music for the on College Basketball podcast, Ewan. Thanks, Matt. All right. See, close the door and stepped into the city.
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Gary Parish
Hey there, Gary Parish. Welcome back to the CBS Sports Island College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting. Do birds Leaky Black Matt Norlander is here with me. If you're watching on YouTube, you know what to do to that. Like button shouts to Brandon Davies. And if you haven't yet subscribe to the CBS Sports College Basketball YouTube channel, please also do that while you're here. And special shouts to Guster for the new intro music. A band made famous by Matt Norlander's computer. Wherever they go in life from this point forward, they're always going to be directly associated with your laptop. So that's at least among their claims.
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Matt Norlander
Yes, it will actually genuinely is. Appreciate that with Guster. If you're watching live on YouTube. Hello. Hi. If you're watching after the fact on YouTube.
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Gary Parish
Hi.
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Matt Norlander
Hello. Now, if you are listening to the show, here's the deal. If you're watching live on YouTube, this is why you should be subscribed on every single possible platform because the audio version had a very fun, albeit edited, version of me chatting with Guster and introducing the song. If you want to watch the Full, unhinged, unedited version of me and Guster chatting about the song and what they don't know about college basketball. That will be a standalone video that is publishing. Actually, it already has published to our YouTube channel there. So I appreciate them. We had been talking about doing this for more than two years. In fact, in the unedited version, you even hear Ryan Miller, who's the lead singer, guitar player, Murray State. Curry is also the head coach at Murray State, which I have. I have texted him about this. And I said, I said, I can dig back in the text message. I'm not going to do it right now. But I was like, hey, by the way, you just got hired at Murray State. He goes down another person named Ryan Miller do something notable in this world. I was like, that's exactly right. But he jokes, he's like, hey, do you want me to write you a theme song? I'm like, it's funny you mentioned that, because literally my bosses might have asked me to ask you to write a theme song. I could not genuinely ask Custer to write a new theme song, so they allowed us to use an old deep cut. I could have gone with the big mainstream song, but I wanted to do something that was theirs, that they were willing to use and also wasn't super duper obvious. So appreciate that. Guster is truly, truly the best. And yeah, so a new era has started here on the Ion College basketball podcast. And actually the theme music, the song is called Timothy Leary, if you want to seek it out there. But it almost. The lyrics of it fit perfectly with what we're going to talk about today, and that is portal players. And you can be anything this time around. So, GP you want to dive into some of the most notable doings, comings, goings, movers and shakers. It's been, geez, buddy, I've missed you. It's been eight days since we last podcast. Then there's no shortage of stuff that, that I really feel will help create the fabric of whatever next season will be in college hoops.
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Gary Parish
Obviously, the transfer portal has dominated the conversation for a variety of reasons. It did close a couple of days ago. I hope you heard if you have. Hey, if you're a basketball player and you didn't already hop in, it's too late now. You stuck. You stuck. Now, more than 2,000 players did get into the portal. Most of them are irrelevant, but some of them are terrific. And at this point, St. John's has grabbed more terrific ones than anybody else. Let's just run through it real quick because the numbers up to five, NC transfer Ian Jackson, Arizona State TR transfer Jon Senon, Providence transfer Bryce Hopkins, Dylan Mitchell comes to St. John's from Cincinnati, and Isiah Sellers comes to St. John's from Stanford. That's five high major players, all of whom have more or less average double figures at the power conference level. You know, Jackson, Sanon and Mitchell are former top 25 high school prospects. You combine this group of transfers with Zubie edgafore, who is St. John's best returning player and one of the only returning players. And the Red Stormer undeniably loaded. Let me ask you this first. If you were dumb enough to rank basketball teams in April, how high do you think you'd have St. John's right now?
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Matt Norlander
Okay, so a couple things here. One, I do love the fact that I'm pretty sure that, you know, Guster has made it known to their fan base to find this episode. So I love the idea of going from how this started to just diving right into the point. There's a lot. There's a lot of Guster fans are like, do I want to stick around? Yes, you want to stick around. You want to stick around. I promise you, you want to do that. Now, as for what you're laying out.
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Gary Parish
Here, I'm not so sure. We'll see.
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Matt Norlander
No, no, no, no, no. They definitely, absolutely want to stick around for this. We are going to dive into you. Are you kidding me? You're not even ready for what we're talking about with Memphis tigers in about 10, 15 minutes here. Okay. You're talking to a guy who has not been updating a ranking like you have, I think you said. So you think St. John's has the best haul of anyone yet? I think that's probably true. Although I do want to get it to before we got. I do want to get into a St. John's Yukon just early initial. How are we feeling about which team or how they stack up against each other? UConn obviously has top 10 ability. In fact, I'm gonna do some real time GP here. I have not looked at your top 251 and top 251 rankings in like two weeks. So let me see. I'm looking at it now. So this is updated as of today. This is G.P. houston at 1, St. John sitting there at number 2, Purdue at 3. Wow, you do have UConn number 4 and then BYU 5. We can get to some of the other stuff near the end of the show there. It's hard to argue that it's hard to argue against St. John's having on paper the best portal class overall to this point. In addition to this, that kept zubi edge of 4, which I actually think is really huge. And I think edge of four could grow into a top eight big in the country next season. I do think he has that kind of ceiling. So then they'll get Bryce Hopkins by way of of Providence. They get Joe Sunon, who's a small forward type. That's coming by way of of Arizona State. Ian Jackson, who Rick Patino has tweeted is going to play the point. Now how that's going to work, I'm actually not entirely sure, but he'll be the one slash two. He'll be the lead guard. Call it. Osiah Sellers comes by way Stanford. He was, you know, 38, 33 point range. That's good. And then Dylan Mitchell comes along. Oh, by the way. Genuinely shocked by the way that he still had eligibility. There are like 200 players that have hopped in the portal that don't have eligibility and I don't expect that they're ever going to play college basketball again. But they're just going in as a, hey, why the hell not? Let's just see how it goes. Mitchell is not one of those players. He actually does have one more year of eligibility left and that's another. That's a big one. I do like it all, for the most part. I do wonder how they're going to run the offense because they don't have a true point guard at this point. Will it be Jackson? Maybe. We'll see. Patino says that that's going to be the case, but they're probably going to try and add at least one more player to put St. John's as a preseason top five team, especially after what it did a season ago. I Parrish, I think that is fair. I do. But it is also hard to to repeat this. Not that they can't, not that they won't, but you do have new pieces. And something I talk about a lot with, with coaches is and it's become just even more of a, of a tough thing to grasp. And that is like you talk to catch up with, you know, any number of coaches, high, major, mid, major, doesn't matter like catch up with them in the middle of February, late February. How are things going? How are things going with your team? Not just like oh you just played a game two nights ago and you won or you lost or whatever. How are things going? Like, you know, day to day, locker room on the bus, practice facility. And the one thing that you really can't, you can't prep and plan for, you can try your best is how will a group of 8, 10, 12 guys that have not shared a space together ever, how will they go about playing with each other, living amongst each other, how will the chemistry be on that? So it's just the one thing as we talk about these teams, St. John's and all the other ones we're going to talk about as we go through the entire off season, we just don't know. Sometimes teams will have a great roster on paper and for whatever reasons valid or invalid, the alchemy will not be there. They just won't gel the way that you'd want them to. And it can be the downfall, and frankly is the downfall of any number of teams in a given season. Patino has a certain method to his madness. I would lean on it, it definitely working. But just keep that in mind when we talk about these teams. How tough it is in this Portal era when the priorities are as singular in one way with money, GP as they've ever been, but also as fractured as maybe they've ever been before. That that makes this, in my opinion, harder than ever to project how the sport will play out. So keep that in mind when GP's rankings as well. I'm going to stick up for you, buddy. Right here we are projecting based on the talent and a combination of all that stuff. But there is, it's just, it's just no guarantee when you have this many new pieces coming together, let alone what might happen with injuries. But I do agree with you. Two is high. Don't know if I'm there, but I definitely agree with you that St. John should be a preseason top five team with what it has now.
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Gary Parish
Okay, valid concern from you. A lack of continuity, bringing back really one important piece and everybody else is coming from different places. You're going to have to figure it out in a matter of months, not years. Valid concern, but I think it would have been a more valid concern this time last year because if you remember coming off of the 20, 23, 24 season, there was a list of teams that had enrolled seven or more transfers and almost all of them were bad. Almost all of them. NC State got good and made the final four as a team with seven or more transfers, but was bad most of the season. They were almost all bad. So as I was doing this exact same thing last off season, I kept that in the back of my mind. Teams that bring in this Many transfers like they can be good, but they, they almost all weren't in our most recent season of examples. Well, last year we got Kentucky. They were good despite nothing but transfers. Louisville flipped it in one year. Michigan flipped it. There's so many examples from last season where teams loaded up with transfers and were actually good that I'm less concerned with that on April 24, 2025 than I was on April 24, 2024. You know, there's enough. It's starting to look like 2023, 24 was just a small sample size that skewed One Direction and last season kind of balanced it out. You mentioned there are rosters that look good on paper every year and then the team, for whatever reason just isn't.
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Matt Norlander
Any good and obviously varying to that.
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Gary Parish
Well, of course. I mean, like North Carolina is a great example from last season. Right. Okay. You know who that really doesn't apply to? Rick Patina.
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Matt Norlander
Okay.
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Gary Parish
When do you remember him having a good roster and it not being a good team?
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Matt Norlander
Sure. Yeah. I mean that's, that's a fair rule to abide by. Yes.
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Gary Parish
I keep this as simple as I can keep it. This is one of the greatest coaches of all time, the reigning national coach of the year. And he is going to have a roster filled with super talented, experienced basketball players. I'll be shocked if they're not excellent. Shocked.
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Matt Norlander
I won't be shocked if they're not excellent. I will be shocked if St. John's is not like you say, shocked. Like top four team in the Big East. Did you see, by the way, Guessing no. Did you see what Evan Miyakawa put out on Wednesday about.
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Gary Parish
Of course, yes, yes, yes.
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Matt Norlander
So you saw that he did this big, big study about how to build a college basketball roster in 2025 with all the stuff with transfers. Now there's two different things going on here because he. It's a very, very good, very good read. Go to evan mia.com he just published it on Wednesday and it talks about bringing back at least 50 of your returning minutes. Now keep it a couple things off of this one. Keep in mind that with every progressing season that we've had here over the past four or five years in the quote unquote nil era, the nature of the sport itself has changed. Like the seas have shifted so significantly as to what they were seven, eight years ago. It's important to keep that in mind. But also he does a great job of looking at teams that got one seed. So you're looking at season long performance from the amount of returning minutes that you had and you want to generally hit like if you can, north of 50, 60. Some of these teams were, well, were well above that. But when it comes to NCAA tournament performance and how deep you can go into the tournament, three of the past four, three of the four Final Four teams from this past season all were above that, were above that mark. Only Duke above 50. Connecticut, excuse me from the title winners. Connecticut had 53, 60 for Yukon the year before and then Florida had 70. Kansas had 81 before that. Duke from this past season was the only team that didn't even hit that mark. But it was Duke. It did have one of the best one and done freshmen ever. It did have three lottery picks. And you know, in a certain way Duke almost feels like an exception to the rule. But anyway, I only invoke that to bring up. It's. It's a really, really interesting look and I wonder if it will be challenged, if it can be challenged. If there is a coach to do is Patino. But the pure nature of so many of these programs, so many, not all of them. There's. There's a program literally in this conference that Marquette continues to push against this Tide. And I am so interested in Marquette because of that. But yes, I would until I see not happen with Patino. I'd lean on it for sure.
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Gary Parish
Just on the, On Evan stuff. Yeah, I love Evan. He's obviously smarter than I am. I think that there's just not enough data yet. Like I'll take all the data you can throw at me, but I don't think there's enough data from this era of college basketball that we're dealing with right now. Transfer portal, big nil deals coming and going. I don't think there's enough data to draw big conclusions. Because if you'd have tried to do this exact same thing last summer, do you know what your main conclusion would have been? If you take seven or more transfers, you can't be good. That's what you would have said. That's what the data showed you a year ago. You take seven or more transfers, I don't care who's coaching you, I don't care what league you're in, you're not good. Well, there were multiple schools who enrolled seven or more transfers last season and they were good. So I just don't think we got enough data to, to know exactly the right way to do that. To do that, or to suggest here's the clear best way to do it. Just broadly speaking, I agree with the the the sentiment that the best recipe is high level transfers mesh with people who have already enjoyed some success in your program. Blend that. I think that's the best way but I don't think that's the only way and I I and I think Rick Patino is about to prove to you you can do it this way or not. Prove to you he will just be the he'll be the latest one to show you you can do it this way too. FanDuel is giving all new customers a shot at $250 in bonus bets join FanDuel today. You'll get started with $250 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. From three pointers to steals to assist, FanDuel has so many ways to bet your favorite player props. Plus after the game tips off, you can even combine live prop bets into a same game parlay. For a chance to win big, just visit fanduel.com I to get in on all of the NBA play in tournament action. That's FanDuel.com I for your shot at $250 in bonus bets must be 21.
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Matt Norlander
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Gary Parish
Yes.
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Matt Norlander
Okay. My prediction will be that he does not. So if he does not return, the interesting thing becomes what does Yukon do to replace them? What other big portal get, if it's coming, do they get? Right now they've got Silas Demery, Georgia transfer, solo balls coming back. And I think solo ball. I've been way big on him for months now. Jalen Stewart comes back. Terrace Reed comes back. They've got a big, a big man. Freshman Eric Reby coming in who's pretty good. Malachi Smith is in. Braylon Mullins is another freshman that's coming in. That's good. Jaden Ross is back. If Caravan does wind up, in fact, leaving where UConn sits in the Big east and national hierarchy will be intriguing to me. But I just wanted to confirm that because GP's rankings are based on certain expectations of what players are doing, and until you say otherwise, I'm going to predict that you're doing it there. My prediction would be that Caravan will go into the draft. He almost went in a year ago and had, I mean, he had assurances of a guaranteed contract like in the top 40. Now, he didn't have a great, great junior season, obviously, but I just like, he's won two national championships. Has he. Has he fulfilled everything he's looking to get out of college? I don't know, but I would predict that he is, in fact leaving there. I just want a little bit clarity on your end with, with your Yukon ranking.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, yeah, I have him projected back. Not because I 100 believe he's coming back, just because that is the most logical thing for him to do if UConn is willing to pay him market value. Like, he might get picked if he enters the draft and stays in it. But I don't think he helped himself very much this season. If he was hoping to have one more season at UConn and then be a projected top 20 pick, that. That did not happen.
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Matt Norlander
Right.
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Gary Parish
So know, I'm just looking at this strictly from a financial perspective. We used to say things exactly the way you set them, which is like, hey, Jalen Brunson's won a couple national championships and he's been a player of the year. There's nothing more for him to do, so it's just time to get on with it. Well, now there is always something for you left to do in college, and that's make Millions of dollars. And Alex Caravin's fair market value as a college basketball player I think is bigger than what his value as a professional basketball player is right now. I, I think that's probably true. So I, Unless he just hates money, I assume he's going to be back at UConn or, you know, you know.
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Matt Norlander
Well, he's still gonna, I mean, he's still going. If, if he does wind up and going into the draft, I mean, he's still going to get money. I don't, I, I don't know what Caravan's priorities are, but if he were to leave and he'd spent three years with Yukon and he almost, he got close to going a year ago, I just wouldn't, I wouldn't fault him for it. That's all. Like, oh, I'm not gonna fault him for it. I don't care. I'm giving reasons why Alex Caravin can.
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Gary Parish
Can enter the NBA draft, return to UConn, move to Thailand. It doesn't matter to me at all. I'm not gonna fault him for anything. I don't care. I'm just saying I believe he is a more valuable college basketball player in this era of college basketball than he is a professional basketball player. And yes, he will. He can make money playing professionally somewhere. I think there's more money probably to be made in college. If UConn is willing to, to pay him what a player of his caliber and pedigree would be worth theoretically in this market, I think it's a pretty good chance he could make more money in college next season. That is the only reason I haven't projected back. If he announces he's done, I'll adjust accordingly just like I always do and.
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Matt Norlander
We'Ll talk on Yukon if and when that happens in the, in the coming days or weeks or whatnot there. We still have plenty of time on the NBA draft deadline. Last thing before we move on. Decided I wanted because I don't think we got too deep on this. Let's just go back to St. John's real quick. So St. John's going to be projected to win the Big east coming off a really good season. It's got more three point shooters now with Sellers, Jackson. Theoretically, I. Jackson's. Jackson had points last season where in. In. In spurts of games where it clearly looked like Carolina's ability to remain in a close game or take a lead or whatever. Oftentimes it didn't do it against the best teams. We know, we know all that, but it almost felt like it became more of Jackson's going to be the one to get this done as opposed to RJ Davis wasn't every time but they're definitely moments on that. I am so interested to see What a former five star prospect, you know top 15 level high school player in the country who ultimately picked Carolina. He's from the Bronx. I just I wonder if he becomes A year ago we were talking about Kadari Richmond and I thought that he would be an all American player. Now that didn't happen. R.J. lewis was the biggest player of the year. I wonder if Ian Jackson, who's not the same kind of player if he doesn't wind up becoming that does like this Ian Jackson turn into one of the 10 to 15 best players in the country. Does St. John's for a second consecutive season have the biggest player of the year and one of the 10 to 15 best players. I just wanted a quick thought from you on that because. Because quite clearly getting him even though they've got a lot of good ads to me the single player edge of four is the most important but the single portal get to me that that validates St. John's into that top five level. Is Jackson choosing to go and play in Jamaica.
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Gary Parish
He we saw him at his best at the Garden in the CBS Sports Classic. Do you remember that?
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Matt Norlander
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Gary Parish
So he was tremendous that day and not as tremendous on most other days. If you want to bet against St. John's I would advise against it but if you what you would I think tie it to would be he ain't a point guard. Right.
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Matt Norlander
Rick Patino can say yeah, I don't. Doesn't mean it can't happen. But he's just right. He has not exhibited as that as part of his repertoire to this point in his college basketball or high school career.
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Gary Parish
So if you're betting against St. John's it would be Rick Patino can be as excited as he wants to be about his next great point guard at St. John's and Ian Jackson might be great at St. John's but he is not a point guard. And you're going to have trouble with that at some point. I don't believe that. But that's where you start the counter argument to to St. John's what am I imagining? I'm imagining he's going to be terrific. I think he's going to be terrific. He's a five star guy who showed incredible flashes and now with an off season with Rick Patino and getting back close to home like you said from the Bronx, I believe. Born in Harlem. I mean this is New York through and through. For him to be, you know, I think he went to high school maybe and white. There's a White Plains connection there too. It's like he's New York, he's New York. And I think he's gonna be terrific. Like I don't, I don't know that he'll be their best player because it might just be zubi edge of 4, but. Or it could be anything.
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Matt Norlander
They're all.
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Gary Parish
It could be Bryce Hopkins. I mean Bryce Hopkins was all American level a couple of years ago.
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Matt Norlander
You're correct. Now he's, now he's been hurt, but he's currently like he's all better. Like there's a St. John's fans, you have real reason to have just like such extreme optimism in back to back seasons with this roster. They got it again. They have to do it. But on the surf. Yeah, they've, they've done a, they've done a good job and they've done it with no shortage. I detailed this recently. We can maybe get later in the show, but they, they have no shortage of funds to be able to, to make this happen. And so.
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Gary Parish
That's.
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Matt Norlander
Right. One thing leads to another and here we are. Johnny's arguably your winner of the Portal to this point in the offseason and may ultimately wind up being the winner overall. Although we mentioned Evan Mia before, I believe he has Michigan rated as the best overall class. Dusty may also done well for himself to this point.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, like how strong is St. John's going to be on paper? Like you could bring Dylan Mitchell off your bench if you want to. Reasonably like you can bring Dylan Mitchell off your bench. They're, they're stacked. We'll. We'll see on the point guard thing. But I'm gonna bet on Rick Patina. I'm gonna bet on Ian Jackson. I'm gonna bet on the Red Storm too. Yeah, I guess I can go ahead and say it. On April 24, repeat as Big east champions. That would be the prediction. Let's move on. PJ Haggerty is the best transfer currently available in the portal according to 247 Sports. He expected to find for himself doesn't appear to exist. At least not in this moment. We'll talk about that momentarily. First though, let's get a word from.
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Matt Norlander
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We'Ve curated the styles you'll wear on repeat this spring. Free shipping, free returns and in store pickup make it easier than ever. Shop now in stores and@nordstrom.com so P.J. hagerty is the best transfer available according to 247 Sports. He jumped into the portal after an all American season at Memphis and reportedly is looking for a 4 million dollar nil deal and some sort of promise slash guarantee that he will play point guard. Based on all of the reporting, including you know, a conversation between Adam Finkelstein and Isaac Trotter, that that market doesn't seem to exist. Staffs are hesitant about throwing $4 million at one player and also throwing $4 million at one player who wants to play point guard when that ain't really what he did to become an All American at Memphis. What do you make of the story?
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Matt Norlander
Well, I think a few things. I think that 4 million number is attached to something that I first reported, which is that J.T. toppin, who is a first team All American and returning to Texas Tech, isn't even going through the draft process and almost definitely would have been like a top 25 pick. Great thing for college hoops. But top and I'm told has a 4 million dollar deal with some incentives in there. And so I think that's where the number I think Hagerty's people saw that and said okay, well we've got a guy here who wasn't all American and he was like we had Toppan as a first team all American at cbs. Hagerty was a second team all American. We actually in fact we have taken the past few years to publishing an all transfer team that went live on Wednesday. So as I answer your question here, GP just a heads up to our listeners and viewers, you can go read that@cbssports.com or on the CBS Sports app. But our all transfer team was Toppin, who was the toy transfer of the year and rightfully so. And then behind him was Hagerty. John Tanj of Wisconsin, Danny Wolf at Michigan, and then Chaz Lanier at Tennessee. Meantime, Hagerty was a first team all transfer and he's eligible to do it again because in order to be eligible you have to have transferred into a spot the season before. I'm not surprised that the number allegedly isn't being met on a couple of levels. It's, it's, it's a one, it's a lot of money. Keep in mind that Toppin got that money to return to a place that, you know, I did the story last week where I looked at the economics of where we are in college basketball in 2025 and just how, you know, in the eyes of the coaches and athletic directors, how outlandish it's gotten. Just the, the insane amounts of money that are pouring into Division 1 college basketball. I'm making a point with Hagerty here. Just give me a second. Like if you, if we had the ability to just wave a wand and have a true actual view of, okay, how much money is being promised across 360 +Division 1 programs, like I think the most conservative of estimates right now, conservative is like $330 million. And that's the. If you told me it was 450 million, almost a half a billion, I believe you. Now that money isn't all there right now. In fact, I had, and in the story I had, you know, the schools that are capable that are either at 10 million right now or if they need to be, they can get to 10 million. And even if there are schools that can't Quite get to 10, guess what? There's a whole bunch more schools that are in that $8 million club. And, and frankly if you told me that there were 40 plus schools right now that have the capability of rallying to fundraise for $8 million to build rosters, I would believe you. There's a number of schools that are detailed in that story. Memphis is not one of them. But schools that might have, that Hagerty's people might have gone to to try and get that kind of money from. He wasn't, he wasn't getting it. We are at this point in the portal process. We're, I want to say like what, 70 through in terms of commitments. There are plenty of guys that are uncommitted. But in terms of the the guys that should matter at the high major level. And so Haggard is trying to find a spot where he can make a ton of money and hopefully have an increased role to improve his chances of being a player that was drafted. We're talking about a guy that averaged 21.7 points, 5.8 rebounds, 3.7 assists, shot 36.4 from three last season, was an 82 foul shooter and a very meaningful player on a very good Memphis team. Like he is someone that is going to bring value but it is very much about fit what teams right now he's a good player, but there are, there are definitely a number of teams that just I don't want to say they don't have a spot for him because that's not accurate gp but for what he is asking and allegedly seeking, it's got to be the right number overall, right? The right fit overall, let alone the number there. Apparently Penny Hardaway also, and I know you almost certainly talked about this earlier today, if not yesterday on your on your Grind City show, Penny Hardaway did say that he's open to having Hagerty back. I guess he didn't fully close the door on that. Now that might just be Penny publicly putting on like we certainly would like to have him back. Why would you not? Memphis just got Aaron Bradshaw. It's heavily rumored to be in there for Doug McDaniel to, to be. Now whether McDaniel comes or not based on Hagerty I don't know but it is an inch. This is an interesting test case. You know we just had. They're not the same situation. I'm just gonna. We have two players who have been reportedly publicly attached to 4 million dollar asks. One of them played for the Tennessee football program. He went to ucla, wound up taking a discount, you know, after the fact. You know, it's, it's apparently more about fit than it was about the money. Sure, maybe not my place to say whether it is or it isn't, but ultimately that Nico did not get the money that they was reportedly allegedly seeking when he left Tennessee. And here another Tennessee based athlete, all on the basketball side, hops ops and hops to go into the portal and to this point hasn't, hasn't found a landing spot there. I do find it intriguing because I do think that he can be an all American again with the right fit. Whether that is back at Memphis, whether it's at any number of schools. There's been a couple of SEC schools that have been associated with him. I know I'M rambling just a little bit gheepy here, but this is, this is intriguing because I didn't think we'd find ourselves quite at this spot. And I think it. Maybe it's because the nature of the reporting and the number around it is part of it, but he might be just taking his time. He's like, I'm in no rush.
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Gary Parish
Well, first, I don't think Penny was just using lip service there. They would 100 take him back. I think what Memphis's hope is is exactly what's happening right now. Like, hey, young man, if you think you're worth $4 million, we don't have that for you. But if you think you can get it, give me a hug and, and get on your way, right? I mean, I've had. I'm sure you have, too. I've had multiple coaches tell me, and they're mostly mid major coaches. And I know Memphis is a mid major league, but it's a high major program. But I've had lots of mid major coaches tell me, like I told my kid, he can't come back. Like, you. Like, are you crazy? This other school's offering you $250,000. I can't give you that. You have to go. And I don't think this was that exactly, but I think Penny was like, man, go, go. If you think you're worth $4 million, I ain't got that. We ain't going to be able to do that. But if somebody else will do it for you, buddy, I'm so happy for you. And then what they hope is that he gets out in the real world and realizes that market's not real and he just walks back to Memphis and takes whatever they'll give him to. I do think the reporting on J.T. toppin probably plays a role in this.
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Matt Norlander
I do.
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Gary Parish
You. You know, you're a second team All American. And then you hear another second team All American just got $4 million to stay in school. That probably makes you go back to your school and be like, hey, did you hear about J.T. toppin? Yeah, we're on the same list. He got 4 million.
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Matt Norlander
One of those schools has a. I guess Memphis technically has a billionaire that's backing it, but it ain't Texas. Tax deals way, way different. That school has way more than 10 million to spend on his roster right now.
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Gary Parish
That's right.
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Matt Norlander
Anything close to that, FedEx can always.
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Gary Parish
Just drop a check. So can Bill Laurie.
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Matt Norlander
There.
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Gary Parish
There are people. But like, those people are. They're stretched. They've been asked a lot for a lot. They like FedEx doesn't just prop up the University of Memphis. FedEx props up the city of Memphis.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah.
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Gary Parish
Like when an important building in downtown is like not being used, FedEx might buy it and put offices there just because they know how important that is to the city. And you can't keep going back to them for everything. So it's, it's, it's complicated. But I think what Memphis is hoping is that the market drops and he comes back to Memphis. I'm not sure it'll drop far enough for him to come back to Memphis, but that, that's what the hope is. As for pj, I don't blame him at all. This is. You should be, particularly when you're an undersized scoring guard. You should be maximizing your earnings in college because this is probably as good as it ever gets for him. I'd never put a ceiling on anybody. Their NBA's got a, you know, dozen dudes who nobody thought ever had a chance to play in the NBA and they're there right now making millions right now. So I never say there's no chance he could get in the NBA. But he's not projected that way. This is probably, not definitely, but probably the most money he'll ever make. The most money he'll ever make playing basketball probably comes this upcoming season. He should maximize it. But I think they've done it the wrong way. I, I don't know why you have to have that 4 million dollar number out there.
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Matt Norlander
How about they might not have been seeking to get it out there. That's the thing. It's like you. How much? If the ask is true and you're asking like you can't stop people from gossiping about it.
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Gary Parish
And I don't mean that. I don't mean that. Don't ever ask for it.
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Matt Norlander
Okay?
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Gary Parish
Don't ask for anything. Don't make an ask. I'm a second team All American who is now in the transfer portal. Text me your offers because when you say things like 4 million, you immediately turn off. Let's say there's 25 schools that are 100. Would love to have PJ Hagerty. The second you say 4 million, you've just eliminated 15 of them.
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Matt Norlander
No, but it takes one. That's that.
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Gary Parish
I know.
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Matt Norlander
I think that comes hard for these players. And they're. I think Hagerty is only represented by his family. I don't think he has an agent. But that, that's, that's the face of it. It takes one.
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Gary Parish
I know. It only takes. You know what's better than having one? Having two come after you and get into a bidding war. Why even say the number to anybody out loud? Not to Chris Beard, not to Penny Hardaway, not to Kelvin Sampson, not to anybody. You just say, I'm available. Text me your offers and see what comes in. And then now you've got. Instead of having only two offers, because you've already set the standard at 4 million, you got 10 offers coming in. Then you can see who's serious and who isn't. Then you can start playing these things against each other. But when you start from the very jump saying $4 million for a program that is more or less hard capped and there is no salary cap, you know that. But, like, there are schools that are operating within some sort of budget.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah.
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Gary Parish
For those schools, here's what those coaches are saying. I only got 8 million. I can't spend 4 million on an undersized guard who wants to play point guard. All right? And secondly, because this is a real thing that's happening too. This. Everybody knows this dude wants 4 million. If I give him 4 million, you know who's gonna know he got 4 million? My leading returning scorer, who's only getting one. So now I gotta deal with that.
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Matt Norlander
This is on this note. Keep it moving. But I had. I had a head coach at a high major school who called me Monday maybe, and was like, he was talking about the story I was. That I wrote last week. He goes, man, I was driving when I saw that story. I had to. To your point? He goes, I had to pull over because I got to the point of the story where you started listing the schools that have 10 million and 8 million. And he was like, my heart was sinking because if our school. And to be clear on this before I continue the story real quick, I wasn't going to go out and try and get every single possible school that can get to $8 million. I gave this list of schools that have been clearly capable of getting to that point. And then in addition, I had a quote that supported like, hey, we can get another 10, 12, 14 schools near if we want. But the coach who was not on that list and isn't, isn't at that list. He said, he's like, if I had seen our name on that list, I would have had five players come into my office asking for more. I was like, I'm not ignorant to that. Like. And some of the coaches I talked to for this was like, no, put us on the list. And if they come in, like they're going to get told no. Like, I don't know what to say. Like, I got no issue with it. We know how much money we have. The players know. But this one coach that was like I had to. His heart was sinking. He had to pull over. Scrolling reading it on. So to your point, yes. This is a very, very real dynamic and how different coaches take a different way. Some coaches are super sensitive. Other coaches, like I don't give an F. They can come in and the answer is going to flat be no. Frankly. That's what happened with Denzel Aberdeen who's now at Kentucky. You know, he went in and asked for what I was told was $2 million and Todd golden was like, not going to happen. Like, best you, whatever. And so here we are.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, right. This is a real thing. So there are coaches out there who these, every one. Everything I'm about to tell you is true. They would love to have PJ Hagerty. They wouldn't actually even mind paying overpaying for PJ Hagerty. But the second their locker room knows they gave $4 million to this guy, they got big problems in their locker room. On a much smaller scale, like, I ran into this one time in a job situation, it was a radio job, not a CBS type job. So I want to be clear about that. But it was a long time ago, many years ago. But I was being pursued by this one place. They wanted to hire me, away from me radio, to come do radio for them. And you know, negotiations are going on and on. And it got to a point where they said, if we go above this number now, you're making more than our guy who's been here, you know, several years and is leading the market and the whole deal. And if we. Then I got, if I give you this, I gotta. It. I got a real problem with him. So this is about as far as I can take it. And I said, okay, that's cool, I'll just stay where I'm at. But like that was something that you had to. It wasn't just as simple as we want you for this money. It was like, we can't give you this without causing problems over here. And college basketball coaches are dealing with that every day right now. Ultimately, Peter Hagerty is going to make more money than he's ever made playing basketball somewhere. But it's probably not going to be for as much money as he thought it was going to be for say, say one week ago. We'll Keep you updated. On another note, Tyrese Proctor officially entered the NBA draft, and all indications are that he's in with both feet, not returning to Duke. I know this doesn't surprise you because honestly, when you and I were talking about top 25 and one stuff, you know, at the final four.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah.
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Gary Parish
And it was like, what do you. You were like, what do you do with Proctor? And I was like, I'm turning him back. You're like, well, he's got to be gone. I think you said, all five starters are probably gone.
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Matt Norlander
Yes.
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Gary Parish
And I said, well, what about Proctor? He's gone. You were right.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah.
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Gary Parish
But it's not obvious to me that this is the smartest decision he could make. He is probably not going to be picked in the first round. I do think there's a. He'll be picked in the second round, but, like, that gets real shaky. You know, you could go 34th or 53rd, and then those aren't guaranteed contracts. But yes, he would be given one because all NBA franchisors are looking for cheap labor now. So he would get a guarantee contract coming out of. Out of the second round. He's gonna be fine. But are we a hundred percent sure he can make more money professionally next season than he could have made playing college basketball, given that we live in a world where Robert Wright got $2 million.
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Matt Norlander
Okay, so, you know, Proctor's coming off an improved season. No doubt about it. He shot 40.5 from three point range. He's a six, six, five and a half, six six column, a combo guard, but was a very, very improved and real factor on what was a Final four team. And from a metric standpoint, with the exception of Bartorvik, the number one team in the country. I just, I think that the, the general plan here was that Proctor, like a year ago, Duke had the elite loss to NC State. And then Shire talked about this with me on record back in October. Like, it was a very direct, blunt, in a very healthy way, conversation with Proctor of like, you're not ready. Here's what we need. Here's what you got to do. All this stuff. And for, in many ways, like, he fulfilled that. He did get better as a basketball player. And I think the expectation was this would probably be it. This is a player that at one point was projected to be a potential one and done player. He winds up spending three seasons in Duke and now he's, he's moving along because of that. I'm not surprised by it. Is he, Is he leaving money on the table? Maybe In a one year scenario, sure. But I do think just to play devil's advocate here, like I think with a certain subsect of players, they who have a, a good reputation either entering college or after a year of college and then they get on the NBA radars and then for whatever reasons, they just don't decide to go to the NBA and instead return a second or third year of college. I think that those players do believe and understandably so like get all right if I'm close enough, I, I am willing to like if I'm really weighing the pros and cons and getting out the yellow notepad and drawing a line down the middle and going all this stuff I might take, I might be going to the, to the league next season and find myself in a spot where like I'm not on the roster the entire season. I'm gonna spend half the season in the G League. But if I can make it, I get ahead of it on my clock. I'm one year younger and five, six, seven years down the road like it will ultimately pay off by tens of millions of dollars by doing this. I, I don't want a chance coming back and, and having one more year. This very well could have been Proctor's calculus. In addition to all that. I don't know how much would Duke be better if he was on the roster? Yeah, I guess. But Duke is also in a spot here where it hasn't had a guy go in the portal, which I actually think is pretty important. Isaiah Evans, who was definitely considered to be potential portable material, is back. Caleb Foster, very much considered to be portal material as of like six weeks ago. They were able to make that work. However they made it work. We understand how it generally worked. But regardless, these are players that could have commanded very big money in the portal and Duke got it done. Malik Brown is returning. Patrick Ngongba is returning. Darren Harris, who wasn't much of a player this season and we'll see if his role can be improved. Obviously you've got the Boozer twins coming in next season and Duke is in the mix for Cedric Coward, who is a fringe pro prospect who is allegedly down to Duke or Alabama. We'll see on he's going to do it through the process, so I don't think that's coming anytime soon in terms of will he stick in the draft or not. They lost Shelton Henderson when if you listen to last week's pod, we alluded to that being in the wind that is now beneficial. The the incoming freshman who was going to be at Duke. He's going to follow Jay Lucas and go play at Miami. So would Duke have been better with Proctor? Yeah, I think so. I'm not surprised that he's leaving. And I think there is reason to be made that if he does this, you know, GP one year sooner, maybe four or five years down the line, he'll have been better off and said, yeah, I missed out on an extra 1.5 million by not playing my senior at Duke, but look where I am now. That's, that's my devil's advice.
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Gary Parish
No, and that's, that's the, that's the argument. Sure. And that might be the right way to do it, but you got to know that the contract's going to be there for you, or at least be reasonably sure. For instance, Jalen Wells. I only bring him up because he plays for the Grizzlies. He was the 39th pick, a top three rookie. Oh, yeah. He'll probably finish second rookie of the year to Stefan Castle. Yeah.
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Matt Norlander
And hold on, he plays for the Grizz.
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Gary Parish
Yeah.
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Matt Norlander
And, and, and, and meanwhile, like, Edie hasn't, hasn't been bad. Like, it's, it's, it's kind of.
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Gary Parish
Ed and Wells could both be first team all rookie.
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Matt Norlander
And that's good stuff, man. Good on.
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Gary Parish
That's great for them. The problem, of course, is that what we're learning is you can't be a great playoff team relying on two rookies, of course.
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Matt Norlander
Wow. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, that's, that's what the Oklahoma City Thunder have taught us.
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Matt Norlander
Well, it's also, it's also the Thunder. Like, don't get too down on your team, the Thunder.
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Gary Parish
I don't even think non NBA fans understand how awesome the Thunder are. They won more games by 15 or more points this season than anybody in the history of the NBA. Their point differentials, like + 12.3 in the regular season, literally the highest in the history of the NBA. They won the Western Conference by 16 games. Like, I, I, these will all be things everybody knows by the time they get to the NBA Finals. But we are, we are watching by some measurements, the greatest basketball team ever. And I'm not calling them that. I'm just saying there are some numbers connected to them. That is like teams that teams have either never done this or teams that have done this have won the championship without exception. There's no all. Like, if you do A, B and C, you win the championship. That's what history tells us 100 of the time. And they do those things, plus other things, they're terrific. And Jalen Wells is hurt now. He broke his wrist. But whatever. He's. Here's my point back to Tyrese Proctor. Yeah, he was the 39th pick last, last year. That's about where Proctor is going to get picked, I would think. I looked at Sam Bassini, our buddy San Bassini. He'll join us later.
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Matt Norlander
We'll try and get to him before the end of the show.
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Gary Parish
We're gonna try to get to Sam this time. He's got him 37th on his big board. So this is the range we're talking about.
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Matt Norlander
And Jason, 32 to 45. Like, best case is early second round. Worst case is mid second round.
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Gary Parish
Generally speaking, Jalen Wells signed a four year, 7.9 million dollar contract, basically $2 million a year. If, if Tyrese Proctor can walk into next season with a four year, eight million dollar contract, then good decision. If he doesn't get something comparable, then you can start to question it. But either way, he's going to make more money than most people next year. And so he's.
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Matt Norlander
He'll.
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Gary Parish
He'll be fine. He. We don't need to waste our thoughts.
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Matt Norlander
And prayers on Tyrese Proctor, as we know we will not. But before we move on to just some other news and notes here, I'm gonna do this in real time here. Let me bring up, let me bring up your rankings because I don't know where you have Duke, so. I had the top five earlier.
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Gary Parish
Oh, buddy. Duke fans know where I have them.
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Matt Norlander
Well, I don't, so here we go. Texas Tech is six. This is updated. This is. Paris has had nine. The, the final, the title game. Florida cut down the net. That's 17 days ago. And this is the ninth update. Michigan is seven. Akla. UCLA is sitting there at eight. How about that? Arizona at nine. Kentucky at 10. I want to get to them before the end of the show. Iowa State 11. How about Louisville 12? I think Louisville's got a chance to be in top 10. Duke is 13. Okay. Duke is 13. They got dropped after losing Proctor. Okay. I actually will give you a. A little bit of credit here, gp not that you've been wrong to do this in the past, but I feel like almost like you've, you've been as bullish on Duke heading into seasons relative to where they might have been in regard to other rankings and polls. And this one seems like, okay, just. I want to see a little bit more. So I. Not necessarily, not necessarily misfire by you, but I am surprised that Duke is not in your top 10.
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Gary Parish
That number 13 ranking is based on the roster that is in place right now, and the roster that is in place right now is not great. And I don't even think top 10 worthy right now. Caleb Foster has been a. Whatever college player. Isaiah Evans had moments, but, you know, there was some thought that he should be in the NBA already, too. Cameron Boozer's terrific. Undeniably. We'll see about.
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Matt Norlander
Should be a solid. Should contribute. His twin brother should be.
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Gary Parish
Here's the thing. I. I always want to do this in the moment.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah.
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Gary Parish
Yeah. In the moment. This is where we are right now. Duke is going to add players, and when they do, they will move up. Here's what I believe. By the time we're done with this, Duke's going to be in the top five. All right. I think by the time we're done with this, one way or another, they'll get up there.
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Matt Norlander
I mean, you have. You literally have the power to make that a selfish.
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Gary Parish
I know I can do it.
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Matt Norlander
So, like, I love it.
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Gary Parish
Every day. Every day. Every. Every day, somebody's like, DP, how could you have Duke down at 13? And, like, my answer in my head is always, because I can do whatever I want. It's up to me.
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Matt Norlander
It is. Although I will. I will. And this is going to be more of a talking point leading into the season, so I don't want to get too deep on this. It will be interesting to see, you know, they did not lose a single ever. Mia, you're getting tons of run here. By the way, he had this earlier today. The only three college basketball teams who haven't lost. I'm trusting that he's done the work on this because there's not an Ivy League team in here or Patriot League, but the only three teams who have lost a single scholarship player, I guess. Why would I be in there? They don't have scholarships to the Portal this season. Only three. Duke, Tennessee, and Boston University. What the hell is. What's going on up in Boston? What's going on?
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Gary Parish
They must have, like, Joe Jones.
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Matt Norlander
No. And. And what is he holding? That's incredible. Good on him. Somehow University finished 16 and 16 last season. One of three teams. Tennessee, which almost made the Final Four, and. And got Nate Amen, by the way, coming in like a top five prospect. Duke, obviously. Duke is Duke and then Boston. It's a hell of a trio. Yeah.
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Gary Parish
They belong together. They belong together. I don't know how Boston University is keeping everybody happy. Imagine you're at Auburn, you can't keep everybody. So I believe Duke will move up the rankings as they add players. I think the roster as we're looking at it right now is not a top 10, is not a top 10 roster.
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Matt Norlander
The story on Duke will be going into the season and as it's. As it goes along was okay. Shire had a. He had an incredible team last season. They make the final four. They just peel through a very down acc. But then they back that up with, with what they've done up until the Houston game. Now, unlike last season, although there will be new pieces in like they had some real roster retention, like they actually were able to keep these guys around. I think this happened two years ago as well. I think Duke either didn't lose a player to the portal or lost like one a couple years ago. Just be it will be a plot point that follows the Blue Devil.
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Gary Parish
Here's the thing, like they have all the money in the world. They should never lose somebody they want to keep. Ever.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, I would. I would agree with that. Yes.
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Gary Parish
Yeah.
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Matt Norlander
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Gary Parish
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Gary Parish
I think what he's going to find out is that he is worth more money playing college basketball at Kentucky than he is as a professional basketball player. Yes, I have Ortega away back in Lexington. Yep.
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Matt Norlander
I think there is a lot. I agree few having Kentucky as a preseason top 10 roster. Brandon Garrison is back. This is a team. Actually. Kentucky's gotten a ton of. It's just gotten a ton of attention and understandably so for just how much it's working with from an nil perspective. I think in the past like 36 hours, frankly, I don't even. You see things that get shared on a social media feed and I don't even know where they originated from. But this idea that Kentucky has like a 20 million dollar roster. Kentucky has plenty to work with, like well over 12, 13, maybe 14 million. Whether it hits 20 or not, I don't know. Frankly, if you're Kentucky, like you should maybe want to boast about that. Like hell yeah, Kentucky, like we invented cheating 70 years ago. Yeah, absolutely. We are going to work with as much money as we possibly can. But I was, I was told a week ago, I guess they wound up getting Aberdeen. When they got Aberdeen, they got out of the running with every other notable portal player that they were involved with. But since then, Travis Perry, who I think is the great, the greatest high school score in the history of Kentucky high school hoops, he just went into the portal. So we wait and see now if that will affect whether or not Kentucky tries to get one more player or not. What I also was told was that Mark Pope like the house settlement, when is this thing going to go through? Is it going to go through? It probably will, but they're just, we're not going to bog down this podcast with that kind of stuff right now. There, there is, there is a potential hiccup in getting us to that point. But if and when we get to the point where the house settlement goes through, one condition of that is that rosters will move to 15 players and you'll eliminate walk ons. And even that some of that's bogging down why this is getting delayed yet again. But my understanding is Kentucky specifically, if and when it goes to 15, like they'll go back into the portal, but the players they would add would be the 14th or 15th player on the depth chart. So they probably are, are done with big time, big time stuff there. Overall though, if you're a Kentucky Fan. You know, Pope did a wonderful job, and now he's given you enough belief here. The Aberdeen pickup from Florida, they've got a couple of freshmen, Malachi Marino and Jasper Johnson coming in there. GP Jaden Quaintness, who had surgery but is expected to be healthy. Like, he could be. I mean, if he really develops, like, he could be a monster next year.
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Gary Parish
He's a monster to look at.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah. I have never seen. Is he 18 yet? I have never seen someone that young be that physically developed. And I know that's like a grand statement. I'm just telling you, like, there are other people that are sitting at that table with him in that conversation, but I. I have never seen someone just so massively developed along to the stage. Yes, he is a monster.
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Gary Parish
Oh, he jumps like there was. I did that Texas Tech, Arizona State game down in Lubbock, I guess, in February, and somebody at ASU had like a picture on their phone of Quinton's blocking a shot or. And it was just. It looked almost photoshopped, like his head was in a weird place and his feet were higher than feet normally are. He was just. You just take that picture and it's like, how many more. How many other people in the world could reach those places he's reaching right now? Whose feet would be where they are, arms would be where they are, and head would be where it is? How many other people in the world could put their body in that place? And it's like, it's not many, man. He's another one. If you're looking for, like, breakout candidates, I never have a. Or I sometimes don't have a great feel for this because a lot of the whole breakout stuff, it's like you're always looking for talented people who just need to do more. And sometimes the reason they didn't do more is it's up here stuff. It's like, you know, they don't. They're not wired the right way. I don't know how that young man's wired. But just physically and from a talent, talent perspective, if you're looking for a breakout candidate, if. I mean, all the tools are there to be amazing. It's just a matter of becoming, staying healthy, of course, and then. And then. And then being amazing. But he's got the. He's got the gifts.
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Matt Norlander
He does well with Kentucky's Backord. We'll wait and see. They got Jalen Lowe coming in, Cam Williams from Tulane. But I like the pieces that they. That they have there in your top 10. Just a quick observation. You've got Michigan at seven. We wait and see on Yaxel Lindenberg who is rated the number one portal player like Hagerty's two. Londonborg is one. Londonborg was right there with Cooper flag as the only players in the country to lead their teams in all five major statistical categories. He's going to go through the draft process. We wait and see if he will ultimately stick there. If he comes back, man, if he comes back. Yeah. Dusty May, you've got, you've got, you've got coaches in this, in this top 10 of yours that are, you know, in year one, year two that really have, that have done well for themselves. Scrolling down Michigan State at 14 not saying I disagree with it. Just like pure looking at this in real time. GP higher than I might have expected to see them but good to see nonetheless. You've got the reigning champs at Florida at 15. Since we last talked they got Xavian Lee and I was told that Lee committing had nothing to do with Aberdeen decommitting. It wasn't. That wasn't the deal whatsoever. But I actually think that's a really good gift for Florida. You've got the Ducks sitting there at 16. That's big. There was. They kept Jackson Shellstad. There was definitely scuttlebutt in March that Shellstadt might leave, but he did not. And that was. I think that is actually very, very key. You've got Bill Self at the Kansas Jayhawks at 17. Kansas fans may well damn embrace that. Just get us the hell away from the preseason number one ranking. Let's see what we can do. Kansas does not feel done to me at all. They've got Darren Peterson coming in, Tyron Stokes and this is not portal stuff but Tyron Stokes, who is another he like he's the next really, really, really good prospect. There's some scuttle that maybe he'll reclass and I don't know if he will or he won't but, but Kansas is, is very much involved in him there. Auburn is 18. Chad Baker Mazara since we last talked went into the portal and I guess he's gone gone. Sometimes guys will go into the portal and when that happens like you know, 90 of the time they're gone gone occasionally like what might happen with Hagerty. They can come back but I think he's. I think he might be gone gone. Tigers picked up Keyshawn Murphy from Mississippi State, Keyshawn hall from ucf. Guys that aren't going to pop big. They also Got this D2, transfer Elijah Freeman that a ton of people were interested in. So that's a name that. That almost no one's going to know. You have to be an absolute sicko to know who Elijah Freeman is. I'm just telling you, like, he commanded a very, very good reputation, and he's going to Auburn, so he might be a key to keeping them where GP's got him. Preseason top 20. Arkansas is 19. News related to this. Boogie Flan just went into the portal, but I think he's. There's a couple players who went into the portal that I think are determined to make it in the draft, but are. Or. Or. Or they've declared for the draft, and, and their. Their situations seem up in the air. Boogie Flanders, one of them. I think he's. I think he's gone. Like, he's not going to return to Arkansas, I guess, but I, I don't think he's coming back to college, but he wanted to do it just in case. Drake Powell, you do not have North Carolina in your rankings. Understandably so. Drake Powell just declared for the draft. I don't get that one at all. I actually think that regardless of what Caroline is next year, I just think he's got a wonderful chance to really up his stock. And I think some of it had to do with his. His collective deal, which is technically outside the bounds of the University of North Carolina. There's a money reason that he was doing this, but that one just kind of made me go, huh? Like, Powell, I actually think can be a top 25 pick a year from now if he really hits. I don't. I don't see that happening this year. But regardless, that's another news. And note, you've got Texas at 20. Who did Texas just get? GP? They just got Simeon Wilcher. Yep. They got Wiltshire from. From St. John's did you bump them up because of that, or were they.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, just a couple of spots, you know, not. Not far, but, you know, just for it to be not. I. I did move them to 20, right behind Arkansas.
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Matt Norlander
How about this? You've got. This is a big. I know this was not intentional, but as I'm looking at this right now. Gp, hold on, hold on. I'm just seeing this in real time here.
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Gary Parish
I have five SEC schools.
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Matt Norlander
I'm looking. Dude, you have. I'm not saying this is wrong. I'm just observing it. You have one SEC team in your top 10, and then you've got a. Gosh, you've got Florida at 15, and then Auburn, Arkansas, Texas Tennessee, Bama, all in a row there. SEC schools from 18 to 22. I'll let you respond, but just note again, Nate Amen is going to play at Tennessee next season. He's a guy that some people think will be a top five pick a year from now. I'm not there, but I do love that. I actually absolutely love that pick. They got him and they got Jacoby Gillespie from Maryland. And then bam, at 22, we wait on Cedric Howard. If he's gonna go to Bama, go to the NBA, go to Duke, we'll see on all that. But anyway, you sound like you wanted to respond to the sec.
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Gary Parish
Okay. Because SEC fans have noticed. Again, these are snapshots in real time. All right, this is where we're at right now. A lot of these top players that are in the portal, I imagine, are going to end up at SEC schools. At which point SEC schools start moving up. I do not believe we're going to get to November, and I've got one SEC school in the top 10. I don't. I did not even notice that I had five SEC schools from 18 to 22 in a row until we just.
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Matt Norlander
Pointed out how you should be doing it, by the way. And then it's a no, by the way. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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Gary Parish
I. I start from where I'm at in version one. And after that, it's just. This team lost somebody, this team added somebody. Okay, fresh look at the rosters. Move them up. Should they be. I literally do it. It's an exercise like this. All right, Texas or Tennessee? Who do I want to head? Let's take a fresh look at it. Okay, I'll go Texas ahead of Tennessee. All right, next up, Texas or Arkansas? Fresh look at. Who do I want to hear? I think Arkansas. Okay, well, that's where I stopped with Texas, their 20th. That's the way I go about it. And so I don't even notice when it's like Auburn, Arkansas, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama. Right in a row, which I'm. Like you said, I'm glad I don't notice because I wouldn't want to manipulate it for reasons that it doesn't need to be manipulated for. But I will tell you.
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Matt Norlander
How about that?
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Gary Parish
When the transfer portal is all cleaned out and it's been torn through like, think of Kroger the day before a snow day. Once all the. The. Once all the milk and eggs are off the shelf in the transfer portal, I think the SEC is probably once again going to have most of the best rosters and It'll be right up there with the Big 12, you know, competing for best basketball conference in the country.
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Matt Norlander
Fair enough. You've got Gonzaga, 23. They just got, they announced Braden. There are so many players that I'm, I'm just. Am I checking in? Yes, but I am not. Not. I am not feverishly checking this portal in place. Anyway, I bring that up to say.
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Gary Parish
I'd have to do it all day, every day.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, but I'm talking about, like, the scuttlebutt on, on like, 79 different guys. I just, I, I, I got, I got kids. Like, I'm just. Some people live for that. Not me. I. The guys that matter, I'm checking in on. And I bring that up to say this. Gonzaga announced a couple nights ago that Braden Huff and Grammy K were coming back. And when that happened, I would. Thought, thought. Well, I thought Bradenhoff was always coming back, and I didn't even realize EK still had another year. So I was like, I was like, oh, that's a good. It's a freebie. There you go. You gotta. You got a bonus there. 1. So I agree with you. Gonzaga, top 25. You've got Bucky at 24. Sure. Not agreeing, not disagreeing, just. Okay. I do have one team that I have a question on. Two teams out in your rankings. I'll get them. Just. You've got Ohio State at 25. That feels high to me right here now. But not saying you're wrong. I could very well be wrong. We're talking about a guy that did not pick Auburn to be in the top 20 last season. And then you've got San Diego State at 26. Okay, so here are my questions on two teams you don't have listed. One is USC. Now, USC is interesting. USC just got Rodney Rice, a player that I was told was commanding north of 3 million. And ultimately he goes to USC, which is a school that I listed. They've. They've got some money to play with, and he's in that neighborhood of 3 million. So good on him. And hey, listen, he was not the best player. He wasn't the second best player. He was either the third or fourth most important player on Maryland's roster in the Crab 5, he finds a new home out with Eric Musselman in treason. Intriguing. But USC did lose Desmond Claude as a result. And Claude ranks is like a top 15 name overall in the portal. I just wanted to invoke them because they've had, They've had a. They've had a. USC has had a Busy week this week. Are they just knocking on the door? Are they. You know, are they five, 10 spots out of it?
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Gary Parish
They'd be in my top 40, not in my top 26. But I should say. And this is just breaking news, so you probably didn't see it.
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Matt Norlander
I did not.
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Gary Parish
But Elijah Arenas, the five star freshman Gilbert Arenas's son Sham Sharania from ESPN is reporting, was involved in a serious car accident early Thursday, and he is in an induced coma in the hospital right now. So it's just really scary. That has nothing to do with any rankings. That's just real life stuff that has broken while we've been here talking about PJ Hagerty and Tyrese Proctor. So that's just scary family stuff. You know, you. You.
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Matt Norlander
Wow.
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Gary Parish
I mean, as a father, when you have a son who starts driving, it is nerve wracking, man. Absolutely nerve wracking. Like, we have all these apps like Life360. And I can remember when my oldest son started driving. We're all on this app and I would just be. I would just watch it all day. I would just have it on in front of me all day, like, watching him drive around because I was just nervous all the time. This is your worst nightmare. Absolute worst nightmare. And so, you know, thoughts, Anything.
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Matt Norlander
Absolute best. That is super scary.
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Gary Parish
However you go about you, you're, you know, delivering wishes. The Arenas family needs one right now.
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Matt Norlander
No doubt about it. Man, oh, man. Yeah. No, it's actually rare where we were literally in the middle of a show and like, something like that happens in the. In the middle of a. In the middle of a discussion. But thank you for invoking it. I've. I've looked at it.
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Gary Parish
Yeah, I was gonna bring it up at the end. I didn't want to, like.
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Matt Norlander
No.
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Gary Parish
Kill the mood.
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Matt Norlander
You didn't know that I was gon up, you guys. I'm just kind of doing. Just do some quick hitters here. Man, oh, man. Just hopefully he will be okay. But obviously being put into an induced coma, that is super, super scary. And you know, he was. He is a player that I just. I don't. He was fun to watch him as he came along. Gilbert was at a few events that we've been at and wishing nothing but the best there. But yes, we'll obviously monitor the story as it. Man, oh man, oh, man. As it. As it plays off. But that is super, super, super scary. And we wish him nothing but the best. And that does, you know, that obviously adjust the framing on. On some of the stuff with, with USC there, the only other team I was going to ask you about was Illinois, which Brad Underwood is heavily involved in. Andre Stojakovic, I think the winds are blowing that way. A decision I'm told isn't in could pick to go somewhere else. But it's feeling like Illinois has the momentum there. If and when that happens, you've got a very intriguing story building in college hoops where Illinois is really, really loading up on foreign born players. They've got a player coming in who is I believe 22 years old and, and been like an MVP level player at a, at a, in a prominent and respected Euro league. Over there. Again, kind of was usc. Like how close is Illinois and, and how do you go about, about evaluating that? Because you've got guys who, they're older, you know, Illinois is not exactly breaking the mold entirely. There have been a number of programs that have intentionally and willingly tried to fill their roster with five, six, seven players that have been from, from other countries there. But Illinois, it seems particularly pronounced here and might even get more if Stoiakovic commits.
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Gary Parish
So true story. Hand to heart this morning as I was updating version nine and I knew I was moving St. John's up. Among the things I knew I was doing was moving North Carolina out after the Drake Powell news. I mean North Carolina's like bringing back Seth Trimble now. That's it. That's basically it. So I move North Carolina out and then I go to, you know, a list of other teams that I, you know, have already have the rosters put together. I've been updating them the whole, all along. I picked between Illinois and San Diego State, okay, for the 26th spot. That's what it came down to, those two schools. And I went with San Diego State just because, you know, not just because, but the ethics. Bring back three of their top four scores from an NCAA tournament team and then they get Reese Waters back. Like those are the guys you just forget about unless you're a San Diego State fan or a Mountain west, you know, follow like, like Reese Waters missed all last season, so they bring him back. That's a starter level guy. So they're basically bringing back like four level, you know, four high level dudes from a team that was already good. So I went with San Diego State at 26. Illinois right now, I guess by default would be 27.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, the, the fighting line. I are going to have a very, very interesting roster. They got some good guys coming back. They could well work your way into that without a doubt. But this. Yeah, this Hilo Petrovich. He is 22 and he played in the Adriatic League, and it's just another. Another really good player. They've got Boswell back, Hummer cast back. Back Ty Rogers. Rogers, by the way. Yes. Those brothers, a pair of centers. That will just be interesting. They've got a lot there and. And they don't seem to be done. So, yeah, if you're an Illinois fan, there's a. There's plenty of reason to have a lot of optimism there. I think that's pretty much a show. There's been.
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Gary Parish
There's been, I think so, more than 70 minutes in a.
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Matt Norlander
Not only that, but if you're on the audio version, it's. It's even an extra, you know, six minutes or so, given what we did at the start of the episode. Sarah. So, again, my thanks to the fellas and Guster for. For doing this again. We had, like, been talking about this for two plus years, and in typical podcast fashion, it just took way too long, but now it's finally done. Appreciate that. And yeah, you're gonna hear the. The new song here. Bump on the outro on the audio version as well. GP And I will be back soon. I. When you bounced out on the show last week, I did invoke that we will be trying to work in a mailbag here pretty, pretty soon, so that may be next week. I got to get some questions together. You guys have some good ones that you've sent, and we want to have some good fun with that, but otherwise, yeah, we'll continue to monitor everything and we appreciate the continued. The continued devotion. If you are a Guster fan that found this episode and are listening to this podcast for the first time, we could.
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Gary Parish
We told you not to stick around. We told you what you were in for.
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Matt Norlander
And. And to be honest, you got like. You got like, I don't know, like a 6.2 out of 10 of what, like, this podcast is really capable of.
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Gary Parish
No, that. All we did was talk about basketball for 70 minutes. This is. This is actually not a good representation.
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Matt Norlander
Of what this is. Yeah. If you're looking for a little more chaotic energy, trust me, we are more than capable and wanting to do it. But. But you got on the front after the show or the. The start. When I asked Brian Rosenworl and Ryan Miller if they were. If they were one of us and both of them. Both of them were. So that was.
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Gary Parish
I assumed as much.
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Matt Norlander
I know, but I had to get it. I had to get it on the record that in mind. If you are a Guster fan that found this and listen all the way through five stars, please. Nice comments. Go. We need some freshies. We need some new reviews and longtime listeners and viewers, you do the same as well. I appreciate it. This is now the part of the show where we've reached the end in gp. GP is going to give gonna give some gonna give some shots. I'm gonna get it going though. Shouts for Brian Rosenworld, shouts to Ryan Miller, shout out to Adam Gardner, shout out to Luke Reynolds. And shout out to Mark Jordan, the manager for Guster, who also made this happen. Go ahead.
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Gary Parish
Yeah. And shouts to Devin Downey in Chester, South Carolina. Terry Teagles, a legend Hulk and Lauren L. Yeah. If you're not subscribed, please go subscribe anywhere you subscribe to podcasts, Apple and Spotify. There's more of us than there are of them. That should definitely be reflected in the comments. So do that and we'll talk to you again when we talk to you again. Till then, take care.
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Matt Norlander
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