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🏀🏀🏀THE BRACKET IS HERE: NCAA Tournament Selection Sunday reactions galore! One of our favorite shows of the whole year
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Gary Parrish
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Matt Norlander
68 teams into this thing.
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Gary Parrish
But I've been trying to tell you but I know they got to put 68 teams and I don't know if they got the right 68. North Carolina is included. Tar Heels finished 22 and 13 overall. 1 in 12 in quadrant 1. Most bracket projectors had them out of the field. Norlander, before we dive into the tip top of the bracket, let's touch on what was I, I think the biggest surprise from the selection show. Selection show. How surprised were you when North Carolina was announced as an 11 seed set to play San Diego State in the first four?
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Matt Norlander
I actually wasn't surprised North Carolina was in the bracket and you want to know why? This was my own surmising obviously did not have a hint of the bracket beforehand, but every year. And I don't even know if this was the case, by the way, but when we were building out to do.
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Gary Parrish
The interviews, I think you're about to say the exact same thing. I noticed as well, but go ahead.
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Matt Norlander
So, yeah, you know, the plan becomes. The plan had been for. To be clear, this is not like, oh, at 4:47 the plan changed. It was, I want to say yesterday, hey, we're going to do Bubba Cunningham and Keith Gill. And I was like, okay, whatever. And then I was like, wait a second. If Bubba Cunningham. Like, this has never happened before. Where, you know, on cbs, on CBS Sports hq where I did the interview on CBS Sports Network where you and the crew do the interviews there. It's always just the chair and I thought, are they preparing in the event that Carolina gets in that, you know, I can't ask the chair because he's not in the room when Carolina gets in. So in all honesty, Parrish, I thought there was a real possibility that Carolina was going to get in because they were doing this. And additionally with that, with, with the metric stuff on, on all this stuff with Wins above bubble now being involved and Carolina clearly being much better positioned than some other teams, I don't think it should have been in the field. I've been clear on that, but surprised? No, I was bracing for it. And I even told a few HQ folks here, you know, in the hour and a half or so before we got going, I was like, I'm putting out my. I put out my. What I would do if I was in the field. But I was like, this isn't going to be right. I'm. There's going to be one or two teams that I'm off on and I think Caroline is getting in. Lo and behold, Carolina's in. So is that what you were thinking? The same thing I was.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah. I walked in the studio today, like walked in the CBS broadcast center. I know after the selection show, we've got a three hour show. I don't really know exactly what my responsibilities are going to be in this show, except I knew I was going to interview the committee chair or at least I was going to be among the people interviewing the committee chair on CBS Sports Network, that, of course, Bubba Cunningham. Then I was told it was going to be two people instead of one, and I thought immediately the exact same thing you thought. And other people in the room, I should say, like, it was just like a. Okay, are they in? Because it makes no sense. It makes no sense to bring two people to that. To that interview unless the primary person is not going to be capable of answering some of the biggest question you're gonna have. So I. Yes, that was a little bit of a tip of the hand. I will say I was surprised that they're in, because I don't think they should be in. I like, if you can't do better than 1 and 12 in quadrant one. That's all I need to know. All right. That's all I need to know. If you can't do better than that, you had your chances. And I know, like, they were a lot of really good quadrant. I don't care if you're 1 in 12 and quadrant one. I just don't want to see you. I. I will say you start putting the resumes, though, up to Indiana's, West Virginia's. It's. It's. It's not a blowout in the other direction that West Virginia, Indiana, these other schools clearly, clearly, like, it's just crazy. Belonged in over North Carolina. I do think they did belong in over North Carolina, though. What. So there's two main points here that I think are. Are important. One, they really go out of their way to explain how Bubba is removed from the room and he's not in there. And I get all that. I. Yeah, I know I get all that. I just. I. I stopped short of. And that means there's no influence at all. Of course there's some influence. The head of the committee is the athletic director at North Carolina. You know, I. I don't know how close all these people are on the committee, but I bet you some of them are friendly. I bet you they've had drinks together. You know, I bet you they've had appetizers together. I bet you they've, you know, shared cars back and forth to places together. Yes. That influence exists whether or not you know it or not. So just because he's not in the room doesn't mean there's no influence whatsoever. There's influence. Not even intent. I'm not trying to claim intentional influence. I'm just saying it exists among humans. And the other thing is, there are so many data points now that the Committee has access to that. It really did feel like, to me, if you were trying to argue in favor of Indiana, you can pull this data point and that data point and make your case. Arguing favor of West Virginia, you could pull this data point, that data point, make your case. There's a lot of stuff to emphasize. It kind of just comes down to, what do you want to emphasize? And when it got to North Carolina, they started emphasizing the things that mostly help North Carolina. I never heard so many people talk about a Quad 2 record before.
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Matt Norlander
Like, little did you know.
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Gary Parrish
When's the last time you heard a quad 2 record get emphasized?
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Matt Norlander
Not on this podcast, that's for sure.
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Gary Parrish
We don't talk about things like that. But suddenly there's the committee.
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Matt Norlander
You know, we don't talk about Quad 2 records here. Okay, you take that. You take that talk elsewhere. Okay.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, come over. Come over here. Try to Talk about Quad 2 stuff and see what happens. All right. We ain't doing it. But like, it's like. Well, they were eight.
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Matt Norlander
No.
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Gary Parrish
In quadrant two. And again, I don't. Unc. Indiana, West Virginia. If you told me right now or if you gave me 10 minutes, you gave me 10 minutes and said, come back in 10 minutes and make an argument in favor of each of them independently. Don't worry about contradicting yourself. Just make the argument. Make it sound good. I could make it sound good for Indiana, for West Virginia, and I could make it sound good for North Carolina, too. And that's what they did.
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Matt Norlander
Quatu is the new Quad one. Who cares? I just love the idea that the worst opponents that you played and the better you did and mean more than the best. I just said it's amazing to me. Whatever. Carolina. Carolina has as much appreciation and motivation as any team in the bracket. But this idea that they played. Played 13 teams and they won one game, but hel. They didn't lose against all the other teams. I just. It's. Is it a crime against our humanity? Of course it's not. We're going to need to get to West Virginia because the logic on that. Oh, my God. The logic on West Virginia. But this. This newfound territory that is Quad two and it's. It's outsized importance. I don't know when we're ever going to see this again. By the way, the sitting chair of the selection committee is the working athletic director of the last team into the field. Like, this is outrageous. And if you. And if anyone. In all seriousness, we always get loopy on this show. I don't Know where the hell we're going with this. I'm starving and I can't wait to talk with you over the next hour. Plus, I'm sure a lot of people are going to go and run with like, whatever, Carolina, that's fine. No, I'm actually going to believe the people that. That do this and do it professionally. And bubble was never in the room when Carolina got discussed to your point. Doesn't mean that there can't be some influence here or there. I. I get all that, but. But if anyone else wants to. To go nuts over it, particularly if you are in the greater Morgantown area, I won't blame you.
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Gary Parrish
If you want to make the west for duty case, this would be the place to do it. Let's get all the bubble talk out of the way so we can focus on the bracket. West Virginia, 19 and 13 overall. Six and 10 in quadrant one. So they had five more quadrant one wins than North Carolina. But.
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Matt Norlander
But.
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Gary Parrish
Oh, they were disappointing in quad two. Only four, actually.
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Matt Norlander
I don't even know. Lay it on me. What's that Quad two record right now?
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Gary Parrish
Four. Four and three. Embarrassing.
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Matt Norlander
That's disgusting. Get them out of my bracket.
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Gary Parrish
That's. That's disgusting. Get them out of the bracket. North Carolina would. Eight. No. In quadrant two. Who does West Virginia even think it is?
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Matt Norlander
Okay, so listen, as GP And I.
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Gary Parrish
Somehow North Carolina's. Somehow. North Carolina's quadrant two record was emphasized more than West Virginia's quadrant one record. If you want to make Amazing.
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Matt Norlander
And not just that. Okay. But just for our live listeners and the chat's always humming on Selection Sunday. We appreciate you, but Paris and I have not talked about any of this stuff. We don't. I don't know what he's got, but we're just going to roll with the punch. Having said that, I assume you're aware of what they said. Maybe to me on hq. I think they might. They might have said it on cbs. We're doing like the same thing, but very differently on different timelines. So you're aware of this Tucker Devries stuff and the reasoning they use.
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Gary Parrish
I assume Tucker Devries ain't played basketball in forever.
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Matt Norlander
It's insane. And. And you might.
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Gary Parrish
You might as well say what. You might. You might as well say West Virginia lost Bob Huckins. So that's why you want to keep them out, you know, but, you know, hugs ain't there no more. Okay. Yeah, we got it. They still. They still did what they did. They still did.
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Matt Norlander
Okay.
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Gary Parrish
Like, I couldn't believe Tucker's name came up. He is, he's like mostly irrelevant to this basketball team.
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Matt Norlander
It's, it's an, it's an insane, it's an insane reason to keep a team out of the tournament. They have played more than 75 of their season without Tucker Devries and they have beaten more Quad one teams than North Carolina by a factor of what, three or four? It's, it's not even close. And the idea, like the idea that they were talking like he was Kenny and Martin, what are we doing here? And not only that, not only that. And, and I did say this on the HQ desk. Okay, West Virginia should be in the field one. Palm had him as the first team going to Dayton. So not the last team in the bracket but on Saturday. And I was like Palm, I haven't seen a lot of West Virginia stuff that's actually kind of intriguing by you. So. But bracket matrix 100, every single bracket had him in. This is like Tulsa, like from seven, eight years ago. I will say this. It is actually a. In my opinion, it is a good thing that the committee is not falling prey to group think and that it's not just. Okay, what does bracket matrix have? Let me inform that I actually think that's a good thing. However. However, if 111 people that go from the professionally well played bracketologist to the die hard hobbyists doing this in their own niche world all have this team in the field and they're not in, you're done. Messed up. It is. And the Tucker Devries stuff is. It just. It doesn't stand on its own merits. But Carolina's and Xavier's, and they only have one quad one win as well. But Xavier, this all connects this way quite clearly. Xavier not having Fremantle for the overtime loss to Yukon and the two point loss to Marquette, which I know because I talked to Sean, they hammered that to the committee and now Fremantle has been available. That got him in. They're going to Dayton. Whereas Tucker Breeze not being around, wound up completely overturning West Virginia. This, this ranks among the three or four most shocking omissions I can ever remember in the NCAA tournament.
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Gary Parrish
He hasn't played since December 6th. How about this?
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Matt Norlander
We got it. We got to see more. We needed one more West Virginia game. Also this, this goes to show you don't lose to Colorado in your league tournament.
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Gary Parrish
You ready for this? Tucker Devries injury mattered more to the selection committee than Cooper flags.
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Matt Norlander
Oh my God. That's right.
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Gary Parrish
Tyrese Hunter is in a boot on the Memphis bench and they didn't ding Memphis. They like, they gave Memphis a five seed. Almost nobody thought Memphis would get a.
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Matt Norlander
5C all over the place. We gotta get to the bracket. But TJ Osiver came out and not gonna have Kean G. They got a three.
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Gary Parrish
They got him out of it.
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Matt Norlander
They, this team is no business being on the three line. They had, they like revealed the bracket. Two seconds later, Osterburg called, called a press conference, said, hey, this dude ain't playing for us anymore, but we're gonna go take this three seed. It's amazing. It's incredible.
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Gary Parrish
Oh yeah. So like, listen, with Indiana, like, I think Indiana should have been in the field over North Carolina as well. But with Indiana, you can at least look at them and go, hey, you could have done abc. What could you tell West Virginia you could have what?
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Matt Norlander
Don't lose to Colorado.
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Gary Parrish
You could have been good enough without Tucker DeVries. We were, we were good enough without Tucker and then they told us he's the reason. Among the reasons we're not in. We were good enough without him. What? That's the one where I would be really frustrated. At some point there's got to be a cut line and every year somebody's going to make it that feels really fortunate to be there and somebody else is going to get left out that feels like they got screwed. But this West Virginia thing I think is, I don't want to say an all timer. I don't want to get hyperbolic. It just feels wrong. It just feels wrong because I don't appreciate the reasons. If you ever bring up Tucker DeVries injury to this West Virginia team, I get it. Like he was going to be one of their best players, if not their best player. He was maybe not the best player, but he was going to be one of the best players and he, he's not there. That's not ideal. But they had more than three months to play basketball without him and to prove what they are without him and what they showed they were without him. I think was a team that at the very least, I'll make it specific, belonged in the NCAA tournament field over the North Carolina team that got in.
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Matt Norlander
For official bookkeeping purposes. Your last four in Carolina was the last one in the door. And then it was San Diego State, which is a joke. Boise State obviously doesn't get in. Okay, so unc, then Carolina, unc, then San Diego State, then Xavier and then Tech. Texas was not near the cut line with 15 law. Stop me. I'm not going on this tangent again about how loss Volume should matter. I know you're in the toughest league, but the fact that Texas had this much leg room. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me with Texas? And then this is this even bigger joke. Look at this. Look at this. West Virginia, Indiana. What? I'm tempted to drop the F word. What in the damn world is Ohio State doing above Boise State? What's going on? Like, what is going on? I what's clear here in all, in all seriousness is they added Torvik and they added wins of a bubble. I love it. I love it. And every the re this, these results happen because all these committee members have individual ballots. But I think more metrics could lead to wonkier outcomes. I think that's clear. I think you see that evidence with a couple of other seeds which we'll get to later on and we don't need to spend more than seven more seconds on this. But the idea that Ohio State was ahead of Boise State on the collective balloting really signals that they, they had some, some major missteps. And Texas has 15 lost team. It almost and almost was playing on Thursday or Friday. SEC record 14 teams into the field in the Big Ten with eight big 1207 biggies. Five Mountain west gets four along with the ACC. That's your cut line. I don't have. We don't have to go nuts on it, but Tucker Devries stuff, man. And by the way, if you're listening, the interview that I had with the committee chair and the vice chair is on our YouTube channel. You can give that a good, good look there. They held their own, but I did. I, I know a lot of people care about this stuff in the, in the immediacy and so I did my best to hold their feet to the fire and not let them off with just bland talking points.
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Gary Parrish
It does give us an interesting first four matchup. North Carolina against San Diego State. Because UConn went back to back title games, only five different schools have participated in one of the past three championship games of the NCAA tournament, and two of them will be playing in Dayton, North Carolina Nuggets and San Diego State. Let's move on. We'll touch on the top seeds briefly next because I don't think there was any surprises there. And then we'll dive into some interesting storylines from each regional. But first let's, let's get our first word from a partner.
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Matt Norlander
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Gary Parrish
Right, Norlander, as expected, the top four seeds were Auburn, Duke, Houston, Florida Special shouts to all of the people who took time out of their busy days to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. To tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I tell you Auburn's still going to be the number one overall seed even though the Tigers have lost three of four games. Thanks for shouts to all the people who took time out of their days. You know what it's like. Just have a slew. Just wake up every morning to random people calling you an idiot and then just watch the selection show. Just like, yep, that's exactly it. Yeah, the two seats. Yep, that's exactly number 5, 6, 7 and 8 in the top 25. And 1 1, 2, 3, 4 is exactly the one. Seeds 5, 6, 7, 8 is the two. So so far, we're lining up pretty good. Auburn is your number one overall seed. I will say this just like I was talking North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia. If you told me, all right, gp, here's a hundred bucks. Convince me it should have been Duke. I could do that, no problem. But I believe it should have been Auburn. And I was glad that the committee did exactly what it is they're supposed to do. Not who looks the best right now. Not who is number one in predictive metrics. Not who has been playing the best lately. Not who's got the best record in the past four games. Not who just won a conference tournament. You know what they're supposed to do? They're supposed to look from Game one to the most recent game and evaluate resumes and reward accomplishments. And that's what they Did I know it hasn't looked good lately. Auburn has lost three of its past four games. But if you start on day one of the season, to this moment, we're sitting in right now, who had the best season to date? It is Auburn. Who accomplished the most to date? It is Auburn. I think the committee got it right. Do you believe they got it right?
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, they got it right. I will say this. I think that the collective separation between Auburn, Duke, Houston and Florida is tighter than we've seen with a lot of one C's recently. And I would. I would go as so far as to say, when you look at actually what all these teams have done and the wins they've accrued specifically against the level of teams. If you want to take a look at their overall quad records and all that kind of stuff, the ones. These are really good every year, don't get me wrong, but my instinct is to say that Auburn, Duke, Houston, Florida, in that order. This might be our best collection of 1 seeds in terms of team quality that we've had. 4, 5, 6, 7 tournaments. I think it's been a while. I think these are all really, really good teams. And I think there is a line of separation. Like you will do nothing to convince me. Like some people thought that Tennessee could have gotten the one by feeding Florida. I don't think that was on the table whatsoever. And I think that those four teams, while they're not all going to get to the Final Four, I mean, they could. It's only happened once in San Antonio in 08. Yeah, they got it right. I think the orders. The order is exactly what I predicted. I believe it's the order exactly that you predicted. And. And, yeah, this is. This is how it should be. No complaints, no surprises. And they're really awesome.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know that we know this for certain, but I believe you. I believe that the one Cs were locked up yesterday. On Saturday, once Florida advanced to the title game, I think the SEC tournament title game was going to have no impact on the bracket. Florida was going to be a one seed. Tennessee was going to be a two seed. I think it makes it easier for the committee when Florida just wins it. But I think Florida was going to end up a one, in Tennessee a two. No matter what, let's stick in the South Regional and then we'll just take it region by region. What's the first thing you noticed when you glanced at that part of the bracket? I bring that regional up because that is the Regional, where Auburn is the number one seed.
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Matt Norlander
The South Region. There's a lot to get to here. Okay. And by the way, for everyone listening, per usual, we are going to have a massive game by game. We do it every year. That's coming later this week. So this is just, you know, whatever we see reacts real time, all that stuff. We're not picking a bunch of games here. I might toss in a few picks that I've got. My bracket's already done. I already can't stand it. But we'll save that for another time. Louisville getting the eight. This is a thing that's been seen in a couple different spots here. The teams that don't have great seating but could get geographic preference. First of all, Louisville is not an 8. I don't know what that's about, but it only has to drive to Lexington. Louisville Creighton is a. It's a tasty Bird. Bird fight there. Feels 50, 50 to me, but that. That's A to Auburn. You're sending your number one overall seed to potentially play a Louisville team that has been really good this season. And you know, it's got to drive what hour and a half. Louisville to Lexington. I forget how long that drive is, but not even get to the rest of it. Okay. Before we get to the rest of the bracket here, this. And by the way, this happened real quick. Awesome tribute to gumball off the top. I loved it. And then they got into that, and then it was credit to our entire team down there in New York. That was Zucker Boom. Auburn's the number one overall seed. And we were off and to the races. And so in real time, I was like, wait a second. Louisville's innate. Wait a second. They're playing in Lexington. You're giving the number one overall seed a game potentially against Louisville in its home state. Seems like a miss. I don't know why I'm gonna believe that they could put Louisville in a different. Whatever. It's the number one overall seed. You're not doing them a favor by putting them there in the second round.
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Gary Parrish
I do. I. Yeah. I mean, this is bad for Auburn. I mean, we had Bruce Pearl on our show tonight, and he was, you know, he was fine. He was like, hey, we already played in Lexington once this year. Beat him by two touchdowns. You know, we've won by two touchdowns inside rup, so hopefully we can do something like that again. But I would. I was bothered on behalf of Auburn. We are the number one overall seed and you could have us playing a round of 32 game against a Louisville team that has won a bunch, and it's about an hour, 10 minutes away from their campus. Like that. That just doesn't seem right. We had Bubba Cunningham on. I asked him specifically about this. I said, bubba, when I got the bracket, among the first things I saw, because it's the top left corner, is Auburn might have to play Louisville in Lexington in the second round. I said, is that something you guys noticed? And was it discussed in the room? And he said, yes, we noticed that that was a possibility. We did discuss it and didn't feel like moving Louisville. Yeah, but Ethel, what if he would have said that we. Yeah, yes, Gary, I'd love some honesty.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, please.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, Gary, we. We obviously noticed that we're not idiots. We did discuss it and basically landed on fpac. Kelsey, you know what? He's. He's got a. He's got a hot wife and healthy kids. How about. Let's. Let's. Let's give him a game in Lexington. I guess it would be F. Bruce Pearl, not F. Pat Kelsey.
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Matt Norlander
Well, it can be both. Louisville shouldn't be an 8, but whatever.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, like, they both. Like, both coaches should be mad about this. Both coaches should be mad about this. Pat. Pat should be mad. I got healthy kids, hot wife, won a lot of games, and you guys made me an eight seed against the. The. The number one overall seed in the bracket. That's not right. All right? And then if you're Bruce Pearl, you're like, hold up. You just told you. You just. Adam Zucker just told me we're the number one overall. See? Why do we gotta play a road game? Why we gotta play a road game in around a 32? You know what? Every time we spend more than 3.3minutes talking about this, it doesn't materialize.
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Matt Norlander
I know, I know, I know. Hey, I've got the. I've got the J's in my bracket, all right? And I think the. I think. I think the Blue Jay is the more aggressive bird than the Cardinal, by the way. So that's not guiding my. My pick here. But it was brought up on the show tonight.
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Gary Parrish
Let me. Let me say one thing real quick, because I just see something in the chat, and I don't want people to get the wrong impression. I'm not just sitting here talking about Pat Kelsey's wife. He famously, this season, talked about how.
- [29:12]
Matt Norlander
Good his life is parachuting into the show. Not knowing that happened is amazing.
- [29:16]
Gary Parrish
Yeah, I forget, like, we got a pretty unusually large audience here. Larger than normal. I Should say. And no, I'm not just talking about other men's wives, you weirdos. You're the weirdo. Keep up with the sport. Pat Kelsey talked about his hot wife and his healthy children. I'm just repeating what he said. So, like, if you ever hear me say Dan Hurley is the best coach in the effing sport, it ain't necessarily because I believe that, it's because he said it. I'm just repeating what he said. Same thing about Pat Kelsey. Continue. Chips.
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Matt Norlander
All right, let's keep it.
- [29:48]
Gary Parrish
I couldn't let that just sit in the chat.
- [29:49]
Matt Norlander
You're. You're fine. Actually, it is very funny to me, the idea. Now people listening are going to understand the context, but like, all right, haven't listened to this pod since last March. What are these dudes doing talking about these coaches wives? All right, Michigan, Sandy, UC San Diego, Texas A and M and Yale. Michigan got screwed, dude. I asked them straight up, did the Big Ten tournament title game mean a thing? Yeah, we accounted for it. We had two different. No, they didn't. No, really, Michigan has zero business being a five. This is indefensible. And I remember actually Paris, I feel like the past two times we've done this, you've been in New York, I've been here in hq. We've been like a little here, a little there, but we actually, we think the committee did a nice job. All right, here's your list of quad one teams with the. With the most victories. Auburn as of now is 15. It's gone down. You just lose it, man. It drops out of the pocket. You think you got 16, suddenly you got 15. By the way, Kansas still has the all time record now with 17 going into a tournament. Houston has 13. Michigan State is 13. Michigan is 12. It's number four now. It's got some losses. I understand that, but it won the Big Ten tournament. Wisconsin State of 3. Michigan has beat Wisconsin twice. And not only does Michigan get a five. Not as if, as if that wasn't bad enough. Mission gets, gets the five. It's got to go out to Denver and it's got to play a UC San Diego team that I think might have a shorter flight than Michigan. And UC San Diego is 36. Second palm. Wolverine's got absolutely screwed.
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Gary Parrish
I've already updated the top 25 and one for the last time this season. It's a big day. It's a big day. Love it. Imagine, it's just like you. You got to. You did every. You did something every day for like four plus months. And then you just get to wake up tomorrow and you don't have to do it. That's a big. That's a big win for me. I've got Michigan ninth in the final top 25 and one because that's where their resume suggests they belong to me. Ninth. That's three seed. They can say whatever they want to say, and I cannot prove them. Prove that they're not telling the truth. All right? So I'm not calling anybody a liar. I'm just saying I do not believe that the Big Ten tournament title game.
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Matt Norlander
Mattered because there's no offense for it. It did. They did not account for it. Man. You cannot look at Michigan's resume, sort out this bracket, even if you had to nudge an SEC team because he's got 14 of them in this thing and tell me that Michigan was a five. That's a joke.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, I. Yeah, they just. I don't believe. I don't believe that they're mad. I do not believe that Michigan's seed improved with a Big Ten tournament title game victory. And that's wrong. That's wrong. Unless you tell us the truth, which is. Here's the truth. They got to have a game to lead into the selection show. That's the truth. All right. And they also got to have a bracket ready before the selection show starts because we have to build graphics. I don't mean to get too inside baseball on you, but all those graphics that you see on tv, they don't just pop up there. Somebody has to build those.
- [32:52]
Matt Norlander
Yes.
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Gary Parrish
All right. I don't believe that Michigan won and they went back in or. I don't believe that. I don't believe we got a contingency bracket. I don't. I. Michigan as a five seed makes no sense if you count the Big Ten tournament championship game. I guess that's maybe the best way to put it.
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Matt Norlander
That is a 10 Eastern game on. On Thursday night. Before that is Yale, Texas A M. I went to Denver in 2011, my first tournament. I covered for CBS. And three of the first four games that year involved upsets. I think that's on the board again out in the Rocky Mountains, bottom half of the bracket here in the South. San Diego State, unc, obviously, in Dayton. Ole Miss is going to be the six there. Iowa State, Lipscomb. We've mentioned the Keyshawn Gilbert stuff. If GP Wants more, I'll toss it back to you in a second. Marquette, New Mexico in the 710 in this. In this region. I actually think that's super tasty. And Donovan Dent. Cam Jones is an awesome, awesome. That's. I mean, those are two of the five best guards, six best guards in the country this season. Michigan State gets Brian overall in the South. Not my favorite region, not my least favorite region. A lot of compelling stuff here and I would say Auburn overall is the number one. See, I would say they weren't given a ton of favors, but I don't think they were as given as tough of a region as they could have otherwise gotten. And so the number one overall. See, they shouldn't necessarily get the toughest region. And as expected, they were never going to be faced with. With an SEC team as a 2 seed, though Tennessee and Bama are on the other side of the bracket.
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Gary Parrish
We're not gonna pick these bruh regions now, are we? We got so much no space. No, no.
- [34:19]
Matt Norlander
I think. Yeah, if. If. I think we're aiming, we're gonna do a monster preview. Whatever. I think a lot of stuff is going to be Tuesday. My last comment on the south, though, is I've got some upsets here. We'll see if I change them. I do think the, the potential for this region to have real chaos is very, very, very real. Like, if you told me New Mexico got to the sweet 16, I'd believe you. If you told me Iowa State was able to recover from. No, Gilbert, I'd believe you. If you told me Michigan, like, continued to get hot and beat Auburn and got to the leader. I believe you on a lot of this stuff. This is, this is a very, very fun region.
- [34:59]
Gary Parrish
Let's go to the West Regional where Florida is the number one seed. That's bottom left. If you're looking at your bracket, what stands out to you in the west? St. John's of course, the two seed there's.
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Matt Norlander
Before we get into the matchups, I think we're on the same page. What stands out to you? I. I say what it is and I think we're gonna think the same thing.
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Gary Parrish
Well, first, if you look at the seat official seedless from the NCAA, St. John's is the, quote, worst of the two seeds. So eight.
- [35:25]
Matt Norlander
Yeah.
- [35:26]
Gary Parrish
That's why they're in their rankings. First off, I think that's wrong. Not, not dramatically wrong.
- [35:32]
Matt Norlander
I agree.
- [35:33]
Gary Parrish
I'll put it this way. If I were a one seed and you told me these are the two seats, this is the two seed I would have not wanted in my region. I would have said send them somewhere else. I wouldn't want any part of a 30 win. St. John's team that just won the Big east outright Big east tournament and is being coached by one of the all time greats. To me that's the toughest two seed to deal with. That's the one. If I were a coach that's the one I wouldn't want. So good luck to ty. Go.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, I agree with you. What I was leading you on with there was this is the region and it's a selection.
- [36:08]
Gary Parrish
Championship coaches, tons of championship coaches.
- [36:10]
Matt Norlander
Hall of Fame, hall of Fame. You've got Dan Hurley, you've got Rick Patino, you've got Bill Self, you've got John Caliperi. Those are all active or future hall of Fame coaches. In addition to some other really really good coaches here you've got super hot teams like Florida's the hottest team in the country. Colorado State is on fire and gets it to the 12 there. Drake is 30 and three. Texas Tech has been a top 10 metrics team. This is an a loaded region. Florida's the fourth one seed so it gets the toughest road theoretically and also gets put into a spot here where I think Florida will be a trendy pick to make the title game. If you're watching on YouTube we appreciate you. You can see this region right here. We're not going to go through a ton of picks. I do not have Florida making the Final Four and in part it is because this region is stacked and I actually hadn't thought about this yet. Paris, we've just been doing a million things. I do think when I take everything into account I know Yukon's been up and now whatever. It's Dan Hurley. They're going to the tournament. You got them. Memphis has beaten some real teams. Colorado State is on a rocket. Maryland has one of the six or seven best starting fives in the country. Drake is the best mid major that in the country. That's maybe not UC San Diego, Kansas, Bill Self, hall of Famer St. John I just I think Florida's they don't have to play all the teams. That's all an important thing to remember but I think this is the toughest region. Do you agree? I think it. I'm looking at the Midwest and East right now. I do think this is the toughest.
- [37:42]
Gary Parrish
I'm just glad you don't have to play all the teams. That would be exhausting that wouldn't it.
- [37:46]
Matt Norlander
It would take a long time as well.
- [37:48]
Gary Parrish
That'd be a take. It just take too long. It take. I think it would take too long. So I'm glad I'M glad we do it this way. I could improve it, but I'm, I prefer this to what you suggested. Obviously, Florida's operating at an extremely high level. If somebody wants to say that looks like a national championship team to me, I won't argue. But I, like you, do not have Florida going to the Final Four. Spoiler alert. I've got St. John's there, I've got St. John's in the final Four. Let me ask you this, and we've touched on it before, but Florida is a bigger story right now than it has been at any point in the season. A number one seed in the NCAA Tournament, SEC Tournament champions. You know, Cal Boone has a what to know about accusations against Gators coach Todd golden as team readies for NCAA tournament. Like that's a headline perfect for Google searches. Sitting@cbssports.com right now. Like, is, is this going to be a thing where he's asked about it in press conferences? Is this going to be a deal where non sports reporters show up at Florida games to ask questions? According to the campus newspaper in Florida, multiple women have made serious allegations against him. I should point out they did conduct a Title 9 investigation and that found no evidence, according to the results of the investigation of Title 9 violations. So like that's important to note. But the allegations are still the allegations and according to the campus newspaper, they came from multiple women. I guess just sort of thinking through this like I wouldn't be surprised at any day between now and the start of anything if just once some woman was given an interview and here's her story to I just do you think this is going to be a, a big thing that just pops up at some point and it's going to get real uncomfortable for, for Florida? I don't, the very least Florida's coach.
- [39:43]
Matt Norlander
I don't, I don't would never say never. But they did do the investigation and they didn't find anything that could, that could corroborate what was in that story. So no, I don't, I don't, I don't think so. But you know, by the pure nature of Florida being a 1 seed and being a dominant again, the players on this roster have been operating on just what they did in the SEC tournament was insane. So now to your question, Paris. I don't, I don't put it out of the realm of possibility, but I don't, I don't expect it to be. Which isn't to say that someone from New York Times, Wall Street Journal or whatever wouldn't show up and, and follow up on it. But I don't, I don't know how the story we could advance unless there was, you know, new allegations or anything that came to light. And that hasn't been the case since, since golden was cleared earlier this this season, by the way. Real quick, I wanted to mention this because you mentioned the overall seed list for folks listening. Auburn is 1, Duke is 2, Houston's 3, Florida's 4, Tennessee 5, Bama 6, Michigan State 7, St. John's 8. And then the threes are Texas Tech is 9, Iowa State 10, Kentucky 11, and then Wisconsin 12. You had mentioned the overall seed list and people listening might not be able to keep track of that. So I at least wanted to give some context there. St. John's is in the west and I would not have had his last two. I knew it was going to happen. I actually speaks to sometimes my lack of faith in the committee. I actually wondered if they were still going to try and put this team on the three line. They didn't. I am. How about this? What do you think? GP I am a believer. Give me the better seed versus the travel. Like now, because of this, the St. John's gets the second weekend. It's not going to play in Newark. It's going to play out in San Francisco. Would you rather be a three playing in Newark or a two playing in San Fran? Not knowing who you'd face put me in Newark.
- [41:13]
Gary Parrish
What are you talking about?
- [41:15]
Matt Norlander
I think I'd still rather be the better seed with the more likely chance that I'm going to play a worse team. I understand, like, it's actually a pretty close call. I think I'd still take the two. But if anyone wants to say they'd rather be the three and all you got to do is hop on a bus and take a ride for 45 minutes to get the arena. I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're wrong whatsoever.
- [41:32]
Gary Parrish
Well, whether you're a two or three seed, let's just talk through it real quick. You should win your first game and you should win your second game, and then your third game is against, theoretically, this, whatever. Like the same team. I mean, if you were, if you were the. You're playing a comparable team to you. If you're the two, you're playing a three. And if you're the three, you're playing the two. That's my point. So then what? It's just I'd rather be close to home if. If the difference between. If the difference is between 1 and 2, I might just want the 1. But if the difference is between 2 and 3, and I can be home or in California. Yeah. Keep me home.
- [42:10]
Matt Norlander
Okay. I'm gonna be in Providence, which means I get Kansas, Arkansas, St. John's Omaha, and then I know we're. We'll get there. GP I just want to see this in real time. There's been so much I've started to keep track of. What are my other two games here in Providence? They're not in this region. Providence also has. Oh, I get. I get McNeese, Clemson. I get Will. I get Will Wade and Brad Brownell, and then. And then I get High Point Purdue. Okay. I guess maybe I'm gonna be a little bit boilermaker there. They're coming to Providence as well. Those games will be on Thursday. Let's wrap up the west, though. Couple questions for you. Let's go rapid fire. Rapid fire. Okay. Improv. Yukon gonna have any issue with Oklahoma? Are they going to be one and done in the tournament?
- [42:53]
Gary Parrish
Oklahoma will be two. And, I mean, UConn will be two and done in the tournament.
- [42:58]
Matt Norlander
Okay, you got Memphis versus Colorado State. The Rams have been incredible. Nick Clifford has been. I actually have to. With the usbwa. Did you do this as well? We have to do our ballots at the end of the regular season. Did you fill that out or did you miss the deadline?
- [43:11]
Gary Parrish
No, I filled it out. I hit the deadline.
- [43:13]
Matt Norlander
Okay. I put Nick Clifford on my All American team. Did you?
- [43:15]
Gary Parrish
I did not.
- [43:17]
Matt Norlander
I did. I think he's. I think he's earned it. He's been ridiculous as of late, so I put him on there.
- [43:22]
Gary Parrish
Yeah, I don't mind you doing that. I did not. But he. I won't argue with you. He's been terrific. That Memphis Colorado State game is really interesting. Classic 125 matchup. Mackenzie Brooks was in studio with us tonight. She's the betting analyst, one of the betting analysts for CBS Sports. She said her simulations have Colorado State with a 70 chance to win the game as a 12 seed. CSU. Colorado State opened as a 2 1/2 point favorite in the game. And obviously some of this is tied to. Despite being a 5 seed. Memphis has terrible predictive metrics relative to bad. Yeah. All right. And then secondly, Tyrese Hunter has got a foot injury. He did not play in the AAC tournament title game. And we'll see. Let Memphis announce that on their own time frame. But there ain't been a lot of encouraging reports coming out of the program in.
- [44:21]
Matt Norlander
I can't believe they're in the tournament then if that's the case, I can't really believe committee let Memphis into the field.
- [44:26]
Gary Parrish
One of Memphis's, let's just say top three players is in a boot and that mattered less to the committee than Tucker Devries.
- [44:35]
Matt Norlander
You're right. They could have. They literally could have adjusted to this if they really wanted to. Memphis is fascinating. They have defeated UConn, Michigan State, Missouri, Clemson, Ole Miss. They've got really good wins, but their metrics are terrible. They've got a couple of bad losses. They had closer losses than you would expect. And so Colorado State registers ahead of them. This is such a trendy tool. I and I. I'm. Here's one spoiler. I have Colorado State winning. I told myself Colorado State's going to be on the 12. I said, I don't care the team. I'm sticking to it. I said, no matter the five, I'm picking Colorado State. They. They look amazing. Nico Medved is on an incredible farewell tour. I will be stunned if this dude's not the head next head coach at Minnesota. And I think that this is now getting so popular that it's gonna. You know how this works. The most popular 12 over 5 almost never hits. I. I feel like it's trending that way. No.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah. Everybody, like everybody's gonna pick. Everybody picks812.5. Most people are going to pick this12.5. And then PJ Haggerty is going to score like 31 points in Memphis wins. I'm not predicting that, but that is the way these team, these things tend. Tend to go or at least sometimes go a couple more things in the West. Okay. You know, it's not just that you get all these national championship coaches in the region. Two of them are going against each other. You get Arkansas against Kansas and the winner gets Rick Patino. That's. I don't ever think they could be.
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Matt Norlander
Calcuttino, but I don't have that. I think self went. But Cal Patino would be. Please.
- [46:05]
Gary Parrish
What is. What is. What is better? The blue blood Kansas against rick Patino and St. John's or John Calipari against Rick.
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Matt Norlander
It's Cal. It's Caliperi. By the way, Kansas has never made the Sweet 16 when it was preseason number one and now it needs to get through Arkansas and likely St. John's in order to. To stop that streak. Doesn't look like it's going to happen.
- [46:24]
Gary Parrish
Another first round matchup in the west that I am interested in. Drake, Missouri.
- [46:28]
Matt Norlander
Oh, yeah.
- [46:29]
Gary Parrish
Fun first round matchup. Drake is 30 and 3:18 one in its past 19 games. Missouri is really good. Incredible season for Dennis Gates given what they went through last season. But they have dropped four of their past five. Missouri opened as a six and a half point favorite. That'll be another place I bet where people can't wait to take those points.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, Drake is super duper tempting. I like the contrast and styles. Mark Mitchell hasn't played as of late. I don't know if he's going to be available for this. He's their leading scorer for Mizzou. Keep an eye on that as well. Super fun region. Love the west here. Where do you want to go next?
- [47:04]
Gary Parrish
Let's go to the East Regional. That's your top right corner of your bracket. That's where Duke is the number one seed. What stands out to you when you look at the East Region?
- [47:16]
Matt Norlander
You know what, let's partner this. Not as good.
- [47:19]
Gary Parrish
Ready?
- [47:19]
Matt Norlander
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- [48:30]
Gary Parrish
All right, now that the bills are.
- [48:32]
Matt Norlander
Paid, 7 seconds to down a piece of sushi.
- [48:37]
Gary Parrish
You have. This is called a shot clock violation. Did you notice I took a nice drink and then had it out of the camera view. By the time we came back, I got my shot off and you've just violated the shot clock. You violated the shot clock.
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Matt Norlander
I'm going with some lacroix here. All right, I did. What do you want for me to selection show Sunday? We love it. All right. Duke gets the winner of American and Mount St. Mary's I've been tried almost impossible with TV stuff and, and being on the air consistently and doing what we got to do to keep up with the timeline. I did see something pass along that I think John Shire said on ESPN that Cooper Flag's intention or their intention is to have him play Friday. Do you. I don't even know if you saw this pair. Did you see this?
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Gary Parrish
I, I. The way I read the quote, I didn't see it. The way I read it was we are. Our intention is for him to play on Friday, which is fine.
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Matt Norlander
My expectation. Yeah, I don't think this dude wants to not play in a single NCAA tournament game. And that's one and only in college. So they don't have to play Thursday. They play Friday. By the way, I think this is a non prime time Duke game with a 116. But it's a 116. They're absolutely going to roll them. So that doesn't surprise me. Duke on Friday. Yeah, that's going to be mid afternoon, I believe. All right, Mississippi State, Baylor, just real.
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Gary Parrish
Quick because we're both going to get asked a million times over the next week. Oh, what do we think they're going to do? What do we think they should do? I'm not, I'm not his trainer. I don't know what.
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Matt Norlander
But you are a doctor.
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Gary Parrish
You. But I am a doctor. I know I'm a doctor, but I'm not his trainer. Here's my point is this. I don't know how that ankle looks today, feels today. All right. I don't know how to look and feel on Friday. If it looks great on Friday and he feels great on Friday and he's like, I just feel great. I just feel normal. This is. Then go play. What do I care? But if, if there's anything that's not. I'm talking about if it's 98, like I feel good, I'm 98, buddy. We're going to go knock the 16 seat out with our three other first round picks because that's the thing you got to remember about Duke with Cooper Flag. They are. They're the most talented team in the country. Without Cooper Flag, they still might be the most talented team in the country as it pertains to NBA talent. They're loaded. And if he's not a hundred percent, I would trust that my other players can get past the 16 seed. And I would be preparing to bring Cooper Flag back into my rotation at the earliest on Sunday. Unless he tells me before then. No, no, no. This isn't like I'm playing injured. I'm 100%. If he's not 100%, he should not play Friday.
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Matt Norlander
I would agree. I don't know if there's any telling if he can be 100% in like say the next two weeks. I don't know. But I just think you said they're not going to get pushed by that team and he's going to want to. I think he's going to want to play like you. At most he'll be able to play six tournament games and there's no guarantee that you even get three tournament games. So he's probably not going to waste that. That'll be interesting. Mississippi State. Baylor is the 89 in the east. I. To me, this is the least compelling of the 48 nines. Only because Baylor's been up and Baylor, it's a nine seed. Okay, sure, like it doesn't matter, but you know, put Drake on a nine line, not Baylor. Baylor has been too underwhelming all season long. Mississippi State, I, I do like them in that matchup. I, I think I'm, I picked them here. I think I'm gonna stick with that. We can keep it moving down. Oregon plays Liberty. Arizona plays Akron. Akron has one loss in 2025. John Gross. They won in the thriller on, on Saturday in the Mac title game against Miami U against his half brother Travis Steele. Liberty is better than you probably think. Flames under Richie McKay have done a good job this season and came out of C usa and they, I actually think that they can. The Ducks have had a lot of good wins and they've had one loss, I think in the past five weeks. Liberty is top 65 at Ken Palm. It's second in the country in effective field goal percentage and fifth and three point shooting. And these 12 fives are so crispy. GP I think there's, I think there's something, there's something there. Before we get to the bottom half, your impressions on any of these teams or games? Zona. Akron actually do like Zona there, but Akron's been, Akron's been hot. Anything entice this? Just kind of an okay top half for you?
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Gary Parrish
Well, I Will say Duke was the easiest team for me to get to the Final Four. I think I like Duke's theoretical path to San Antonio more than any other one seed. Their two seed is Alabama. They've got an injury issue.
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Matt Norlander
We don't know Grant Nelson status moving forward.
- [53:22]
Gary Parrish
Like I. Again, we'll, we'll go, we'll run through the bracket. But I have Duke against VCU in the Elite Eight. Like I, I got Duke maybe first.
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Matt Norlander
Of all, that's a hell of a pick. And Tim Doyle on HQ also took VCU to the Elite Eight. And that's a spoiler for the, for the Tuesday show. But that's, that's ballsy. Look at you. Look at you. Trying to make sure Virginia doesn't get its next coach anytime in the next two weeks.
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Gary Parrish
Trying to delay, it's trying to delay Virginia's coaching search as long as I can. But. But yeah, like obviously I hate it when people start talking about Duke has an easy path because you don't know what Duke's path is going to be or, or Auburn's got a hard. You don't know what Auburn's path gonna be. And sometimes it that what looks like it could be the hardest path ends up being the easiest. Like that happens sometimes in the NCAA tournament. So I don't know exactly who Duke's gonna play, but the theoretical path like the one that I've got laid out in a bracket seems pretty manageable to me. I do not have Duke winning the national championship, but I do have Duke. That was. I didn't even have to think about that one. I got, I got Duke into the Final Four pretty easily.
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Matt Norlander
Okay. I would certainly buy that. It's going to be an overwhelmingly popular pick. Just a minimum make the Final Four. And I can't disagree with that on some level. I'm not saying I'm going to stick with Duke, but this is the number one team in all predicted metrics. I do have BYU beating VCU. That is, we don't know what two of the other 611 games are going to be. But even as they stand what they could be. I, I think that BYU VCU will be the best 611 matchup that we get in the first round of this year's tournament. Wisconsin, Montana doesn't really rev the engines. I think Wisconsin should win without too much resistance. St. Mary's Vanderbilt also doesn't really rev my engines. I think that St. Mary's got a really good draw for itself and the Gale should be able to handle the Commodores who they might have been just a little bit higher in the bracket than I thought. So it goes. And then Bama against Robert Morris, Bobby Moe here back in the tournament for the second time under Andy Toole. Again. Grant Nelson's got to get his knee evaluated on Monday and it that will determine his availability, his productivity, if he is available. I, I reserve the right to adjust my bracket based on the news that develops with Grant Nelson over the next 24 to 48 hours. The east to me is the least interesting of the four regions overall. And maybe that speaks to why you picked Duke to squeak on through. But you know what, you know how the tournament works. Just because you say that we could be talking by Sunday night and be like, how awesome are these games in the East? You know, two buzzer bees, you never, you never know how it's going to play out there. I find it to be the region with the least amount of likelihood to have upsets, generally speaking.
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Gary Parrish
All right, let's go to the Midwest region. That's where Houston is the number one seed. When you looked at that, you saw Houston as the one, Tennessee as the two. What stood out in that region?
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Matt Norlander
You know what? I think Houston's road. Okay, I, I think Houston's road could be nearly as easy as Duke if it breaks the way we think it is with the exception of the second round game. So this is what we have to talk on first. You've got, you've got Houston Siue Cougar on Cougar game. We already know what's going to happen there. Gonzaga against Georgia. Now everyone's going to take Gonzaga in this game. I have taken Gonzaga in this game. Let's do a quick rehash on Gonzaga and what it's done. It is ninth at Ken Palm. It's top 10 to basically every metric resume wise. It beat Baylor. What's Baylor? It beat San Diego State. Barely made the field. Beat Indiana. Not in the field. Beat St. Mary's once. That's what Gonzaga has done of note. That's it. That's it. Parrish. It's not unthinkable to me that Georgia, Asa Newell, Silas, Demery, they can Blue Cane. Yes. If you're a casual. Georgia has a dude named Blue Kane and it's amazing. I'm gonna take Gonzaga to win and if that does happen, we are going to have Houston against Gonzaga in the second round. That is a top 10 Kenpa matchup. It could truly be one of the four or five best game if those teams play to their potential. It could be one of the four by five best games of the entire tournament.
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Gary Parrish
DP I talked to Bubba Cunningham about this exactly. Earlier in the week. We had him on one night. I, I, everything's running together.
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Matt Norlander
Days don't matter. Yeah.
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Gary Parrish
And I literally said, talk about Gonzaga. This is a team that in the results driven metrics is not that strong. The resume is lacking. But in the predictive metrics, they're in the top 10 multiple places. I think they were as high as eighth in the net. I said, so how do you, how do you handle this? On one hand, the, the results suggest they might need to be seated in that 8, 9 range. On the other hand, if you do that, you are making a one seed play a top 10 Kimpom team in the second round. And that could be unfair to them. How do you balance all that out? And he says some stuff, it doesn't matter what, but like, here we are. Like, I could sort of see this coming even if I, and this is one you and I talked about it. I, I don't know exactly. I don't feel strongly about it one way or another because you know, on one hand, like, you win what you win and you lose what you lose. And the games matter, how they matter. And that is how we'll decide whether you belong in the bracket and then that'll determine how we seed you in the bracket. I, I have not figured out a, a crystal clear way in my head to balance these things out where you are. Yes, we're, we're focused on the results of games. Everybody's played a lot of games were focused on the results. But I don't think you can be completely ignorant to the predictive metrics. I mean, they're in the room for a reason that, that tell you this team is way better than its resume suggests. And if you see them down here, is that being unfair to this team up here? It's just, it's very difficult to navigate through that. And nobody has ever offered a perfect solution to that issue that I've heard at least.
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Matt Norlander
There is no perfect solution given, Given Houston potentially. Gonzaga in the second round is, is one hell of a. I get it. I just, Yeah, I personally, I'd. If you did the whole thing and this would never work this way. I'm not suggesting this should be protocol, but like, you go through the, you go through it all. Team lands on an 8. Gonzaga maybe just move them up to a 7. But I get it. There are some people that are super hard line on this. Like the resume is the resume. But there's a reason why they have predictive metrics on the sheet and sometimes that stuff does help guide the process and certainly when you're talking about team quality that also is is part of it. Let's keep it moving in the Midwest games. I'll get I mentioned before. Clemson, McNeese, Purdue, High Point. You've got Clemson Tigers in the midst of their winning a season ever made the Elite Eight last season. They've got a healthy chance to get to the second weekend again. McNeese will wade. He's got a good team. This one isn't quite as one as good as the one last season but it's still, it's still plenty good. He's got a couple of high major down transfers that are that are impactful there and then Purdue versus High Point. Alan Huss has done a great job. Between Wade and Huss I put that at better than 50. At least one of those guys will be at a different job in a matter of a week or two. Purdue I'll be interested to see how the the general public treats Purdue. How trendy of a pick for an upset they are in this game. How many pick them to the sweet 16? There's no Ed anymore. Braden Smith has been. You can make the case. Braden Smith has been in a first team all American this season and Clemson's got some guys as well. Chase Hunter's a real dude. Dylan Hunter is out. He's got a. He's got a broken hand so he's not going to play in this tournament. That's pretty intriguing. Overall, I'll go to the bottom half. Texas plays Xavier in the first four. The winner will get Illinois. What's intriguing about this to me is I had identified Illinois and Kentucky as what I the choose your own adventure teams at this tournament. Well, lo and behold they're in the same damn pod if you will. And I don't think Kentucky will have issues with Troy. I do think there's a chance Xavier can get past Texas and then we'll face Illinois. If you want to really get deep on this. The Texas Xavier thing is intriguing because these two teams met in the tournament in 2022 when Rodney Terry or 2023 I guess it was when Rodney Terry was the interim and on his way to winning out the job. Texas Beach Saver in the Sweet 16. Sean Miller was a candidate to get the Texas job in the here and then. He wasn't going to take it obviously. At least I don't think he would have. He had just gotten A Xavier. They helped kind of pull him out after he got fired at Arizona. But here they are, they meet again two years later and it's in the. It's in the first four. Xavier benefited. GP I'm losing track of what I've said on the show versus what I said on television for three hours. Xavier benefited from this Fremantle stuff. I think I said that on the pod earlier because they didn't have it for two of those games. This could be baller time Ryan Conwell had. I saw him drop 38 at the Garden a couple of nights ago. Him versus Trey Johnson. Please. I will. I am begging both these dudes to go for 30 plus in this game and give us something really awesome in Dayton. And then of course, Texas getting in means that 14 teams from the SEC have made it. I know we're an era of conference expansion. I guess there's the possibility one day we'll have 20 team conferences. So I'm never going to say never, but it feels like this is not going to be replicated. It's insane that 14 out of 16 teams from a league got in. I mean it could happen. Parish. But it's just, it's wild that, that it went this way in the Texas. It didn't even squeak in. It's going to Dayton. But it was the best, the best seated team of the four there. And then. I'll wrap up in your thoughts. Ucla, Utah State. Wait, what? What did I say? Oh, I said, who's playing? I had a thing you would have appreciated on on hq where because Cronin's only got to fly. Where's he flying to? Where's. Where's UCLA flying right now? He's flying to ucla is flying to Lexington. Okay, not that bad, but. Oh, I call. That's what it was. It was. It was Maryland. Maryland's got the reverse Cronin. And I said on hq, I was like, you don't understand how pissed off Kevin Willard's gonna be when he looks at that plane and he sees the Space Needle. Maryland to get the Maryland. Someone explained to me how Illinois is a six, gets to take a trip to Milwaukee and Maryland is a four and it's got to fly out the first weekend to play in Seattle. Just explain it to me. I certainly like to know. I can only imagine Scott Van Pelt, die hard public Maryland fan, what his reaction is to all this. It doesn't make sense to me. Usually plays in Lexington against Utah State. I actually like the Aggies a lot there. And then Tennessee Wofford on the bottom half, your elongated thoughts have added. GP what do you think on the, on the rest of this region?
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Gary Parrish
Well, like, you just ask another totally reasonable question about seating and bracket stuff, and it just sort of reminds me, I like every morning I do this top 25 and one and every morning there's questions. And I would say, and I'm not be, I'm not even trying to be mean or whatever other words you might use. I'm just saying about 90% of the questions I get about the top 25 and one on a daily basis are just nonsensical. They're just like, they're just dumb questions. Every once in a while, if I'm being honest, there'll be somebody who will lay something out and I'll go, okay, let me look at this. And I'll go, yeah, I might have messed that up. Yeah, they, yeah, I see where you're coming from. I might have messed that up. And so that is what the Bubba Cunningham is like. Imagine if the whole world looked at the top 25 and one every morning and, and had real questions about it every single morning. Like, it just gets overwhelming because there are going to be days where it gets hard to explain something that you've already done and can't change. And I think every committee chair finds themselves in that situation. It doesn't mean things couldn't be better or shouldn't have been different. But when you put together a bracket of this size, there is always going to be things in there that, that either people don't make sense, people don't think makes sense because they don't make sense, or people don't think makes sense just because they've decided that it doesn't. Either way, you're going to have to a, it's a, it's a hard job where you don't get a lot of pets on the back when you're done.
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Matt Norlander
I agree with that. Overall, I did say this on, on hq. I love the bracket every year. I love the matchups. I do find myself looking at the first round and potential second rounds this year, and this one feels like it's just maybe got a little, maybe this is the quality of the teams at the top. I don't know. I, I, I, I'm pretty interested. I'm pretty excited for, for what we got coming here. This feels like there's just a little bit more to the bracket this year. Speaking of brackets, by the way, the podcast does have a CBS Sports Bracket games group pool, however you want to define it. CBSSports.com/ that is e y e o n CBSSports.com/ we will link this, at least I hope we will, in every podcast that we do this week on audio. But also if you're watching on YouTube, we'll put this in after the fact. Feel free to join. I'm told the winner gets a subscription for a year of Paramount. Plus, I want to see if we can get that for a top five. We could get hundreds, if not thousands of people into this thing. And, and you know, why not? Why not? Dang a little carrot there. Maybe we can do even something special for the winner overall, give you a shout on the show. Certainly. I actually try and do that every year. Top three, top four, top five, give you a shout. Maybe we can do something even a little bit extra. GP and I will be sure to have our picks in there and I will be sure to file picks by the end of, by the end of the night here. And then I will be changing a couple of them because I do it every single year. Trying to think of it before we get out of here. Paris, any other stuff? A couple notes here on the tournament. This is the 86th NCAA Tournament dating back to 1939. There have been 3,703 NCAA Tournament games played. 37 schools have won a national title. 15 of them have multiple championships. Since 2004, six schools have won 16 of the 20 titles. Those schools are Duke, Florida, Kansas, Carolina, UConn and Villanova. Villanova is not in the field. First timers, siue, High Point Omaha, UC San Diego, first appearances there and then schools. The only school that really is snapping a long drought is St. Francis, last there in 1991. There's goodies across the board. We'll get into more of this as, as the week goes along, but this week is always just such a joy. One of the things I love about college basketball is the tournament's incredible. Selection Sunday is incredible. But the, the just the urgency that comes basically from Wednesday through today with these conference tournament games. And they mean so much in the mo, in the moment. Of course they do. Or at least we think they do. Unless you're, unless you're Michigan, I guess, and, or West Virginia and, and then we have the bracket and it's just, it's so instantly vapor. It's just in the rear view and we're looking ahead to it. And I love doing this pod every single year. You got anything else? Any talking points, questions, complaints? I'm in no rush, GP so if you want to even Go more. We can go more, but those are.
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Gary Parrish
The four regions I would, I'm glad you mentioned Omaha as a first time NCAA tournament maker. I don't know if that's the way you say that. Participant we at Chris Crutchfield on the show tonight and got a chance to talk to him. I love these stories. I, I'm assuming most people don't even know who Chris Crutchfield is. He's the head coach at Omaha. He's 56 years old, has been an assistant, you know, a million different places. He's worked for Dana Altman, he's worked for Eric Musselman, he's worked for, you know, some of the best coaches in college basketball. But he's the classic assistant who. It took probably longer than it should have for him to, you know, get a, his first Division 1 head coaching job. He is not only a Division 1 head coach now for his second season at the age of 56, meaning he got this job in his, you know, mid-50s. He's the head coach at his alma mater, he's a head coach at his wife's alma mater. Like this is a husband and wife who went to school here and he was a two sport athlete there, played basketball and football. I just can't imagine the joy you must carry around with you. First off, you, you spent decades as an assistant coach. He was a junior college head coach and like, you know, lower than Division 1 level stuff. But for him to get this shot, it took a long time. I assume at some point you wonder if it's ever going to happen and maybe wonder why it's not happening. And there's always some theories about that. But then it does happen. And in year two, very quickly you take your alma mater to the NCAA tournament for the first time. Like just, it's just an awesome story. I hope it gets a lot of attention. And then, oh, by the way, congratulations. Now you got to deal with rick patino in St. John's but.
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Matt Norlander
I know, but even then, like I.
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Gary Parrish
Asked Chris about that, he's like, it'll just be great for us. It's a big stage. Like we get to play in the NCAA tournament. I'm paraphrasing here, but this is more or less the sentiment. You know, we get to play in the NCAA tournament against a team from New York City, against a team that's going to bring all that media and against a team that just won the Big east and won the Big east tournament, they got Rick Patino and like, we'll see how it goes. But man, what an awesome. Just stage. I'm gonna be on a stage. How about that? If I, if I told Chris 20 years ago, one day you will be a head coach, man. Keep your head up. It's gonna happen for you. You're going to be a head coach at the Division 1 level. It's going to be at your alma mater. You're going to take them to the tournament for the first time in school history in year two. And your first round opponent will be rick patino at St. John's he'd probably go, what is Rick patino doing at St. John's he'd probably start there, right? What, what went on there. But just, just awesome stuff.
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Matt Norlander
Love is awesome stuff. We'll have plenty more nuggets later in the week. I'll wrap with at least this.
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Gary Parrish
And I, I should say, I think it's year three. I think this is year three at Omaha, but you get the point three.
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Matt Norlander
This is also the team that celebrates by demolishing a trash can and they've been fun shots, by the way, for our research team at hq. I mean, just incredible, incredible resources and information. I'm going to dive into this over the next 24 to 48 hours. A couple housekeeping notes here. Okay. What is your. Just look at the bracket if you can. What is your favorite first round game? I think, by the way, Louisville Creighton. I love, I love starting the. I love starting the tournament on Thursday with an eight niner and that's exactly what we get. CBS 8 9, Louisville Creighton. That is Brian Anderson, Jim Jackson and the tremendous Ali Laforce will be on the call for that. So that's going to be your first. I just, I just like starting the day with an 8 9. It feels, it feels like that's what we should do. That's not my favorite matchup. I think my favorite first rounder, there's a, there's a lot of good nominees. I think it's Memphis, Colorado State for me. I think that's my favorite first round matchup.
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Gary Parrish
That's a great game. I just, you know, Penny's had such a wonderful season and had really positioned his team to go to the Sweet 16 for the first time ever under him and for the first time as a program since 2009. And they're still in position to do it. They just won the AAC tournament without Tyrese Hunter. But it would just be so unfortunate to lose a guard of that caliber when you've got a team good enough to go to the sweet 16. And this is obviously going to make it harder than it otherwise would be if he's not available to play or as healthy as he needs to be to play at the highest level. But still, yes, obviously for me, that's the. I'll be talking about that game, you know, two hours a day for the next few days, so or so. Yes, that's compelling. For me it's. And it's not even the game. I don't even care about the game. I just like how it sounds. Arkansas, Kansas, Bill Self, John Calipari, like that. You know, these, these men have coached against each other in big time games.
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Matt Norlander
And.
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Gary Parrish
You know, to see them, it's just weird. Bill Self and John Calipari coaching in. What's the seed on that? A seven game is just kind of weird.
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Matt Norlander
7:10, CBS Providence. I'll be there. Andrew Catalon, Steve Lapis, Evan Washburn on the call. Yes.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah. A 710 game featuring John Calipari and Bill Self is not something I would have predicted maybe at any point in the history of this world.
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Matt Norlander
I think it's, I think it's amazing that these two coaches have found a way to be played squared up against each other. Kansas was a preseason number one team and it's been massively disappointing. Arkansas got itself in. Boogie Flan's gonna play in the game, apparently. I think Arkansas fans might be split on whether or not that's a good idea. Some. I, I haven't been able to check this. Someone said that I don't think they won an SEC game with Boogie Fland in the lineup. It's not an SEC game, so maybe you don't have to worry about that so much. But yeah, good, good, good stuff. On Monday, I will be working.
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Gary Parrish
Well, let me, let me stop, let me stop you there for a second on the boogie flying thing. First off, I don't think Arkansas has been so good that you, quote, don't want to mess with it because like, like they haven't been that good. They've. They've been better than they were. So like, yes, if Boogie Flames available, throw him in there. But, but I'll like just what this story reminds me of. Smaller version of it. Remember Duke tried to bring Kyrie Irving back late in the season like this and it just didn't, it just changed. He was obviously amazing and still is, but it just sort of changed the dynamics of the team. And I remember with the benefit of hindsight wondering what Kyrie Irving is amazing. He's about to be the number one pick in the draft but would have what Duke did, did that. Just trying to re insert him into this rotation all of a sudden after being gone for a long time. Like was that more disruptive than it was impactful in a positive way. And I, I, I, I, I think that's a fair conversation to have about Boogie Flan. But to be clear, if he's available to play and I am in charge of the rotation, he's going to be in it.
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Matt Norlander
All right. Looking ahead here, I believe, I mean there's a million things going on, but I believe Parrish and I have another show on CBS Sports Network one Eastern on Monday. So this will be a lot of big picture stuff. We're going to do it for a TV audience as well. For the hardcores that take in every single show we do that pops in the feed. We so, so appreciate you Just be aware of the fact that we'll have some new angles and I'll have some more nuggets and all that stuff. But we are going to hit on some big storylines and build out the stuff there. Then I will be in studio for CBS Sports Network on Monday night. There will be a big time bracket breakdown, picking stuff, storylines, all that good stuff did this last year. I believe it is me, Stover, Chris Walker and Wally Zerbiak. I think that is the roster there. We had a blast doing this last year. Looking forward to getting back down to New York and doing that as well. Paris, you flying home tomorrow late?
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Gary Parrish
I mean I can't get home.
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Matt Norlander
You'll find tomorrow late. Okay. And then I think we have go ahead.
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Gary Parrish
I was just like tomorrow morning I have my normal show and then I would normally be able to get to the airport to catch the direct flight home from LaGuardia. But we're doing that one to two Eastern show on CBS Sports Network. I can't get home so I don't even leave New York City till 8:45 tomorrow night. I'll walk in my front door around midnight, talk on just talk all day Tuesday and then come back here on Wednesday. Okay, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna fly home late tomorrow night, talk all day Tuesday from my house and then come back here on Wednesday and then talk. Just keep talking.
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Matt Norlander
I'm just gonna keep talking Tuesday, one Eastern as well. Show plan for CBS Sports Network. And we will also have a mega. This is. And then we will have one more. We got even one more show for you. There will be a mega preview. Pick every game, our entire bracket, go through what we like or whatever that's also coming. And I think if, if the schedule allows, we're going to try and go live with that Tuesday evening, maybe afternoon. We don't know the time yet, but just know you had this one. You're getting two TV shows that are gonna be podcasts and another huge podcast even before the tournament starts to get going later this week. And as usual, we will have a recap every single night. And because of our travel schedules and Paris in the studio, we have to juggle. But every show will either have me or Parrish on it no matter what, and then we'll be together when both of our schedules allow.
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Gary Parrish
Oh, it's gonna be a fun month, isn't it?
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Matt Norlander
I absolutely love the tournament and I can't wait for the next one. That is a, that's a show. And there's no interviews with any members of Pearl Jam this year. That we did that last year was incredible. Eddie Vedder says he's really excited, but maybe next year.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah. Somebody in the chat suggested I could have done the CBS Sports Network show from the Delta Sky Club. I think sign off, sign off at 2 at 156. I could be at my gate by 205. LaGuardia, man, the walk from the Sky Club to your gate at LaGuardia on a delta flight, buddy, that's a, that's a good 9 to 11 minute walk. But if I signed off hook Larnell, all that stuff, 156 I could walk to. I could probably get that play. I could probably get on that 225 plan.
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Matt Norlander
See if you can make it happen. I'd love, I'd love to see you try. That would be some epic, epic podcasting right there.
- [79:04]
Gary Parrish
Nah, nah, nah, nah. I'll be right here. I'll be sitting right here tomorrow in this exact same spot talking to you at 1:00 Eastern. It'll be a good time. And if one of you, if one of you in the chat says anything like GP I think I've already heard you say this before. Give me a break, all right? I don't have any idea what I've said before. I am talking five, six hours a day straight into microphones. I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know where I say it. I'm just talking. I'm just talking all day. Ask me anything. I just talk about it.
- [79:38]
Matt Norlander
I love it. Hey, everyone that joined us live, we always appreciate the Sunday Night Live viewership and this is a highly consumed podcast. You should stay. Everyone taking in this. Stick around for a while. We have a lot of fun all season long, but we understand that Sunday is going to prompt a lot of rest, response and interest. And we appreciate you so much. And guess what? We're gonna be talking to you again in 12 and a half hours.
- [79:57]
Gary Parrish
Wrap us up, GP.
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Matt Norlander
That's a show.
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Gary Parrish
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