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Eye On College Basketball
UCLA beats Purdue, Mick Cronin’s pissed 😂; Miami (OH) 20-0! Arkansas bounces back vs. Vandy; Charles Bediako—who left CBB in 2023—suing his way back to Bama
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- [00:00]
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- [02:15]
Matt Norlander
There I am. Gary Parrish welcome back CBS Sports. I own College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting, dodo birds and leaky black. Matt Norlander is here with me. If you're watching on YouTube, be Brandon Davies. Smash a little bit. If you haven't already subscribed to the I Own College Basketball podcast Wherever you subscribe to podcast, please go do that. Like at Apple and Spotify. Let's get into it and we're going to start at Paulie Pavilion where Tyler Billow broke some bowler maker hearts. Let me set the scene for you, then we'll watch it slash listen to it together. Then we'll talk about it for a little bit. Purdue, ucla. They're doing it out in Westwood late on a Tuesday night. The Boilermakers had led by as many as 12 points in the game, but now in the final minute, they were only up by a point. 67, 66. 15 seconds remaining. Donovan, Denton, Tyler, Bellado are going to decide this thing. Josh, hit your low button and let's watch a two Boilermakers go with one Bruin when Billido sets a ball screen for dan, leaving a 43% three point shooter wide open back to Dent inside a 10 on the timer. Bella no. Bango, as my buddy Pete Pranica would say. Final score, UCLA 69, number four, Purdue 67. The court was stormed. Still need to sand it as far as I'm concerned. Now can stay. Norlander, good to see you on this Wednesday. I know you stayed up to watch it last night because we were. We were texting at 1 in the morning like we were having an affair or something. What'd you make of what we saw in Westwood last night?
- [03:55]
Gary Parrish
And no affair, just podcast. Podcast production. That's what that was. Yeah, I actually was. I happened to be on the phone with Travis Steele. We'll get to the undefeated Red Hawks in short order, don't worry. But we chatted for a good 25 minutes and he was on the bus ride back. And so I was transcribing an interview in real time. As this was going down, I actually had to say, hey, I got. I got to see if. If UCLA actually wins this game here. That's exactly what happened. Huge shot. I completely agree with you. You need to sand the floor before you storm the floor. I don't know why I didn't see a single student out there with some sandpaper in hands or one of those big old machines. Nell, hashtag Nell can stay. Because of all the teams to do it against, it's Mick Cronin that does it against John Wooden's alma mater, Purdue takes the trip out West. Obviously a humongous win for ucla. I hopped on CBS Sports HQ shortly after this game went final, and to me, way more about UCLA than it is Purdue. You know, west coast swing, you take the loss. I do wonder if when we get to Selection Sunday if this loss, which is a quad one loss, not it's not a bad loss but UCLA hasn't been a very good team. I think we're going to have a pretty competitive race for the 41 seeds and I wonder if something like this is going to affect produce chances or not to be determined. I'm not sure. UCLA gets by far its best win of the season, just its second Quad 1 win of the season, but the other one was at Washington. This one is obviously a tier or two above that, even winning on the road there. Billow Doe coming off by the way a 30 point game in the loss against Ohio State. Didn't have that kind of game here but he's open cashes it. Big time stuff. First win for UCLA over a top five team in the AP poll since 2022 when the Bruins took out then third ranked Arizona and to me it was the the turnabout with UCLA's defense and what he was able to do. Purdue had won nine in a row heading into this game and was scoring at 8585 a clip. It only gets 67 here. Braden Smith 12 points, four assists, four turnovers, didn't have a great game, had a couple of nice shots down the stretch but ultimately it was Billeto shot and then have to mention Donovan dental. He has the best game yet in a UCLA uniform. 23 points, 13 dimes. Just so key in this game and the most important player on the floor. If you had told us in October that when these teams met Dent was going to go for 23 and 13 and Smith was going to go for 12, four and four giveaways, we would not have been surprised at all. The idea that Dent could have outplayed Smith in a one on one situation considering Dent's preseason reputation being one of the three or four most valuable transfers expected to be in the mix among the best point guards in the country, it has not gone that way, but he tapped into that potential on Tuesday night GP and gave UCLA life and potentially flung it in the right direction toward making the NCAA tournament. Still a long way to go, but UCLA had the most important win of any team on the board in the sport on Tuesday.
- [07:05]
Matt Norlander
To your point about it being a quad one loss, not a terrible loss, no big deal in the top 25 and one on Wednesday morning I dropped Purdue from fifth to sixth one spot. This is still one of the very best teams in the country. Still a national championship contender in my mind. 17 and two with six quadrant one wins. Simply put, I don't Think anybody I have ranked below them deserves to be ahead of them right now. So Purdue barely dropped. Let me ask you this question earlier this week in the top 25 and 1, because you know, you got to write a few hundred words every morning just to get the whole thing set up and in Google searches and whatever. And I said, like, there's been a lot of different teams labeled the most disappointing team in the country at certain points in the season. For a minute it was St. John's for a minute it might have been Kentucky. And I thought earlier in this week I said, I think this is actually what I wrote right now. It's maybe ucla. Would you have described them that way before this, like, as, as perhaps the most disappointing team in the country, given where they were ranked in the preseason AP poll, what they spent in the transfer portal?
- [08:09]
Gary Parrish
No, Marquette is 7 and 13. And even if Marquette was in the preseason top, that's, that's per the perpetual winner for me, specifically to your question, GP it is Marquette after what went, went through that. But UCLA certainly among the more disappointing teams preseason near universal top 20 status as we sit here on Wednesday morning, still not a top 30 team, pretty much by any and every metric you look out there has underachieved. The losses have been to Arizona, Cal, Gonzaga, Iowa, Wisconsin, at Ohio State in the aggregate. Not, you know, incredibly embarrassing, but well short of the expectation. Unquestionably, this was a humongous win because maybe this can propel UCLA in the proper direction. The schedule is absolutely manageable coming up. We got to get to Krona's postgame comment in just a second here, but I'll proceed that by saying they had some tough stuff early, but they get now 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 out of 6 at home. So the schedule is swinging back in their direction and I do think we are going to see UCLA put itself in a position here where it's in the projected field after being just up and down, up and down and super inconsistent. So not among my personal three or four or five most disappointing teams, but definitely, definitely on the list. Somewhere in there that last night was, was mega.
- [09:32]
Matt Norlander
I guess that's just an example of how we just look at things differently. Sometimes when I think of most disappointing team in the country, I sort of draw the line at like top 15, top 20, because anything below that, it was like, well, you know, people didn't really think you were going to be that good. And I guess you're not that good. Probably worse than we thought. But like, whatever, nobody thought you were going to be that good anyway. But if you're preseason top 15, by definition you're like a Final Four contender on paper. And UCLA had fallen out of all of those conversations with the way the non league and the early part of the league schedule had unfolded, with Donovan Dent not looking like a real challenger to anybody for Big Ten player of the year, even as he's the reigning Mountain West Conference player of the year. So wherever you, whatever you thought about ucla, say less two days ago. Perhaps this is a turning point for them. What happened late Tuesday inside Pauley Pavilion. Do we want to now turn our. I mean you can't. Not you can't. I mean, I mean you have to.
- [10:32]
Gary Parrish
UCLA comes back from what they were down 27:15 in the first half. The defense and the rallying in the final two minutes of this game, like really impressive, like genuinely inspiring stuff. McKronin, Mick at the mic. Do you think Josh, let's take it away. Let's hear it because some guys are.
- [10:55]
Mick Cronin
Playing major minutes and I want to thank the Big Ten for giving us five of our first seven on the road, bringing Purdue here on Thursday night where we don't get back to in LA till Saturday night and giving us the team pick to win the league on the two days rest after five of our first seven on the road. I really, I want to thank the Big Ten for that.
- [11:22]
Matt Norlander
Will make it worse next year.
- [11:25]
Mick Cronin
It couldn't be much worse. Couldn't be much worse. A, I don't think they care about basketball. That's just my opinion. B, you know, look, man. And they ain't moving the city of Los Angeles. I don't want them to. And they damn sure ain't moving UCLA and I don't want them to. And we're in the league in the Midwest so that's just going to be what it's going to be. But you ain't got to play five of your first seven on the road and then come home and get the team picked to win the league on two days rest. I had two hall of Fame coaches sent me a text. Why do you play Purdue tonight? I just saw you play Saturday at Ohio State. I said I'll give you one better. They've been here since Thursday.
- [12:06]
Gary Parrish
Just man is on a heater. I, I know. I, I know that Cronin. We even see some in the chat right now, like Cronin just ticks and annoys a lot of people off. They, they don't like his shtick. They don't like his bit. I am Sorry. I will not apologize. He is hilarious. Some sense sometimes. I don't care. Get this guy pissed off in front of a mic as often as we can. As sardonic and sarcastic as possible. He just loves. Landed by far the best win of the season and he cannot wait to crap all over the Big Ten immediately after the game. I think it's funny. I want more of it. I can't get enough.
- [12:46]
Matt Norlander
There are some things coaches do where I go, come on, man. Like, cut it out. Like, nobody thinks this is funny. Nobody thinks this is interesting. Nobody thinks this is smart. What are you doing? But when I watch Mick Cronin, buddy, buy me tickets to Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais or your favorite comedian or Mick Cronin. I'm fine. I will laugh just as hard at any of it. That's hilarious. Imagine beating the preseason conference favorite, top five team in the country, and just being mad as hell after it. Just. Just mad as shit. Just fired up. And you know how busy head coaches are this time of the year and stress. Do you really think somebody sending a text like, hey, Mickey, just wanted to check in on you. I see you were at Ohio State the other day and now you're doing this. What's going on with your schedule? Are you okay? Like, do you think that really happened? I hope that it did, but it sounds crazy to me.
- [13:46]
Gary Parrish
Two hall of Fame coaches. By the way, just a wellness check. I couldn't help but glance at the schedule. Didn't I see you in Columbus a couple nights ago? Yeah.
- [13:53]
Matt Norlander
Like who? I don't even know where I was a couple of nights ago. You think hall of Fame coaches are sitting around keeping track of mixed travel schedule, but maybe. I hope so.
- [14:01]
Gary Parrish
Incredible. Just. And we had a. We had a few of this. You know, we're going to talk Arkansas in a few. We can't. We don't have the time. Caliperi had like a 3 minute, 45 second post game event session after a great win about how pissed off he was. I just. College coaches are so reliable for this stuff. It was. I was. I was laughing like out loud laughing, belly laughing. Going through just the variety of different responses from coaches on Tuesday night. Sport is so dependable for it. Cronin at the top of the list. A reminder, after having to play five of your first seven on the road, it's now home Northwestern at Oregon, home Indiana, home Rutgers, home Washington. Oh, by the way, you just had home versus Purdue, so it swings back in your favor. And by the way, Mick, you don't tell me you wouldn't rather. You're going to have to. You have to take the road trips. It's mandatory. Don't tell me you wouldn't prefer to have those games in January, early as opposed to back end of this month at any point in February. They only have one. They've got the Michigan trip, February 14 and 17. So you don't even have what I. What I view could be actually a much worse travel situation. He will find. It doesn't matter. He will find any reason possible to be a sarcastic. You know what? Win or lose, I'll take it every single time. If you're. If you're sick of the bit, I don't blame it for. I can't get enough. I truly cannot. I am enjoying this man for who he is in the prime of his post game press conference career and we will miss it whenever, whenever it leaves. And I hope it's not anytime soon.
- [15:40]
Matt Norlander
He's the best. I hope it's crystal clear. We are not mad at McKronan or making fun of McKronan. We are enjoying McKronan. This is the best. And I can tell you what he prefers. You were like, don't, Mick. Don't tell me you don't prefer. You. Let me tell you what he prefers. Whatever he doesn't have, whatever's not right in front of him is what. Is what he prefers. He's just that he's just got. He's just constantly finding things to be upset about. And I get like, on a very surface level, like, I don't mean to suggest his points, his very specific points about scheduling can't be something that would go. You go, well, this is kind of weird. Why are we doing this? And whatever. But, like, it ain't worth all that. There's not a conspiracy in the Big Ten against ucla, okay? I promise you. Now, I want to be clear.
- [16:28]
Gary Parrish
Conspiracy is the geography, which he alluded to, of course.
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Matt Norlander
The conspiracy is the geography. And I tell you what, the main thing I appreciate about a Mick Cronin is because sometimes I have a little, like, up and down with my mood a little bit. If I'm being like, sometimes I'll look up and, you know, I ain't feeling so great for no good reason. And, you know, people close to me be like, you know, cheer up. Everything's great. Look at your life. Everything's great. Cheer up a little bit. And Mick Cronin allows me to look back at those people and say, you know what? He's frustrated why can't I be frustrated? We're both short.
- [17:03]
Gary Parrish
Yes. Well, I mean, if there's. If you really had any idol to look to, this is the man.
- [17:07]
Matt Norlander
Right. We're both short. All right, so we have that in common. We're both bald. We have that in common. And then let's start comparing the other aspects of our life. So I have no advantage in height over McCrone and have no advantage in hair over McCrone. And don't think I have really an advantage in physical appearance over McCronin in any way whatsoever. In fact, I could be operating at a deficit. I acknowledge that. I can barely see. Now, let's look at the other aspects of our lives. I live in Mississippi. He lives in Southern California. How you think most people gonna vote on who's got the advantage there?
- [17:38]
Gary Parrish
Sure.
- [17:39]
Matt Norlander
And though I am very fairly compensated and happy, I mean, we can look at the contracts. Who you think's got the advantage there? So if he can still be frustrated every day of his life, then why can't I be? Sometimes I rest my case.
- [17:55]
Gary Parrish
Good stuff. Let's get to the Miami University RedHawks 20 and, oh, another dramatic overtime affair, this one on the road on Tuesday night. One of the best stories in college basketball continues apace. Did GP actually succumb to peer pressure and rank red box on Wednesday morning? Cyber Monday? We'll find out after the break. First, let's get a word from our partners.
- [18:24]
Matt Norlander
Final score, number 25, Miami, Ohio, 107, Kent State 101. Not wild game. The Redhawks were up 16 in regulation, but you can close it in 40 minutes. So they had to play 45, but ultimately, they still finish with more points than their opponent for the 20th time this season, with zero exceptions. Norlander. It's January 21st and the Redhawks are undefeated. Wave your arms in celebration. Wave your arms in celebration. The Redhawks are undefeated on January 21st. I got them into the top 25 and 1. I'm tired of being bullied at work by the greatest Red Hawk of all time. He bullies me in person, at work, and then posted on social media. I think they call that cyber bullying. So I'm being bullied in multiple ways, but I hope it's over now the Redhawks are in the top 25 and 1. I know you talked to Travis. Still late last night. What do you have to tell you? And don't save any of the good stuff for the court. Don't do that. I'm saving it.
- [19:19]
Gary Parrish
Nope, nope.
- [19:21]
Matt Norlander
I talked to Travis. Oh, let me do a Norlander impression real quick. Okay, so I talked to Travis Du last night and he gave me some great stuff and I could tell you all about it right now on the award winning I own college basketball podcast. But instead I'm going to save it for a court report later on that will read 45 minutes long. That's my Norlander impression.
- [19:39]
Gary Parrish
So many inaccuracies there. Doesn't sound anything like me either. Certainly doesn't look like me. This podcast is not award winning, by the way. I don't know where, I don't know where you pulled that out of. Let me know what award we won.
- [19:49]
Matt Norlander
I feel like we should have won one by now.
- [19:50]
Gary Parrish
I don't think that's happened. Miami. Such a big story. Court report bump back a day. Standalone story for the Redhawks coming later today. And yes, I would prefer people go to the app and the website and read our stuff to continue the readership. I'll give you some, I'll give you a taste. But before that, before that, let's see what did it. What got GP to finally just bow down to Wally Zerbiak and Red Hawk Nation everywhere. I think we've got, we've got some inside video and what we call the bullpen at CBS Network headquarters there. Let's see how Wally reacted in real time. If you did not see this posted on Social on Tuesday night. That's what 20 and oh, looks like, ladies and gentlemen. Way to go boys.
- [20:39]
Matt Norlander
What a win. Roadkill.
- [20:41]
Gary Parrish
Kent State Golden Flashes go down, put up 107 on the road, get them in their top 25 and one.
- [20:48]
Matt Norlander
Gary, what's going on? Let's go. Oh, let's go. I never seen a 48 year old content creator. Suddenly Wally Zerby acts a 48 year old tick tocker. Let the Redhawks get off to the best start in Mac history and suddenly Wally Zerbiak thinks he's Alex Earl.
- [21:08]
Gary Parrish
Wally Zerbiak getting more run and more shine than he could have possibly ever imagined because of his alma mater. We do love to see it. Wally, we'll put you in the San Vicini category. We'll try and get to you at some point on this podcast. We'll see how that goes. Awesome that he was in studio on the night. When they get to 20 and could have lost, could have lost over the weekend against Buffalo at home. They went in ot. If you did not see it, we got even more for you. This is how, this is how the Redhawks even got it to a bonus free session again on Tuesday night in Kent, Ohio on the three point line.
- [21:42]
Matt Norlander
We saw in that last possession they.
- [21:44]
Gary Parrish
Were driving just to kick Stalzak to the bucket. Lays it in. We're tied at 92. Kent State has a timeout. They won't use it Wiki for the win. No inside clock hits triples loose. Galjak with a just, just a little bit of a wild game tying basket. And this amazing story continues. It is such a cool great thing for college troops and in all earnesty gp. Like it does matter that you finally put them in the rankings. They. They cracked into the AP Top 25 on Monday. The first trivia time. I assume you talked about this last Mac team to be in the rankings.
- [22:27]
Matt Norlander
We did not talk about this.
- [22:29]
Gary Parrish
Okay.
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Matt Norlander
We only talked about the Redhawks. We just did this for like two hours last night. We just did this. We didn't really talk that much last night. We just did this a lot.
- [22:40]
Gary Parrish
I think that's the St. Joe's hawk thing, by the way.
- [22:42]
Matt Norlander
I thought it was too, but I didn't want to say anything. I mean, I'm sitting next to the greatest Red Hawk in history and he was having a good time. He thinks he's a content creator now. He's a little tiktoker now. And so he started doing it. I was just. I didn't want to ruffle any feathers, you know, so to speak.
- [22:58]
Gary Parrish
Unintended. All right, so you succumb to peer pressure again.
- [23:01]
Matt Norlander
Yes, that's right. I do that. I've been doing it my whole life. Every bad thing I've ever done, for the first time, it was I succumbed to peer pressure. Now if I did it after that, that was probably on me. I just liked it a little bit. But the first time was always peer pressure.
- [23:13]
Gary Parrish
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Wally is stealing this from the St. Joe's hawk. And Philly fans don't take kindly to that. Be on the lookout. Now, I might hesitate before I do that again on television. That's just. That's just me. But I, I do like that you put them in the rankings, assured of being in the rankings two weeks in a row because they don't have a game the rest of the week. 25th this week. They'll stick there. The most recent Mac team to be in the rankings was the Nate Oates coached Buffalo Bulls, which, believe it or not, were ranked for the entirety the entirety of the regular season. In 2018-19, that Buffalo team finished 32 and 4. Made the tournament as a 6 seed. Before I get to the Steel stuff. Our poll question right now on the YouTube channel is what will be Miami's NCAA tournament fate? 9 seed or better, a 10 or an 11 seed, a 12 to 15 seed or missing the tournament. GP when we get to selection Sunday, where will Miami University be?
- [24:12]
Matt Norlander
Miami University on selection Sunday is going to be a 9 seed in the NCAA tournament.
- [24:18]
Gary Parrish
How about that? I think, I think they, I'll say they're an 11. This was a huge win for a number of reasons. One, it was statistically the toughest one remaining on the schedule. It doesn't mean they can and won't lose. They very well might. Although I also, I mean, I, I got the Miami, I got a Miami assistant dunking on my ass on Tuesday night because on the previous episode I said, here's why they need to be ranked. They're. They should be ranked. I'm telling you, they're going to be ranked. And then they're probably going to lose at Kent State. And so just that. That three second clip from the show was quote, tweeted by someone on the Miami staff within an hour of the game finishing.
- [24:57]
Matt Norlander
Believe you're a non believer. Identify as a non.
- [25:00]
Gary Parrish
Don't even stop. You finally get there. Wednesday, January 21st and only. And folks, we can be real about this. We can be honest about this. If Wally Zerbiak was not in the studio last night, Paris does not have Miami ranked this morning. Just doesn't happen. It is purely because of Wally's peer pressure, good looks, dominance over Paris. He's got, what, 10 inches on you? A lot of factors going in there.
- [25:31]
Matt Norlander
There's a. Lies. Yeah, it's a lot of. There's a lot of things going on. Have you ever been bullied in the workplace?
- [25:40]
Gary Parrish
I'm pretty sure that you got to report that to hr.
- [25:44]
Matt Norlander
No, no, no. I don't want to report it. I do not want to report it.
- [25:47]
Gary Parrish
I want to speak your truth.
- [25:49]
Matt Norlander
But I'm asking a question. I'm not making any claims. I'm just asking you a question. Not making claims. I'm asking you a question. Have you ever been bullied in the workplace?
- [25:59]
Gary Parrish
Not in our workplace.
- [26:00]
Matt Norlander
Okay, okay. That's interesting. That's interesting. Okay. Have you ever been cyber bullied by a co worker? I'm just asking you a question.
- [26:10]
Gary Parrish
I. I have not.
- [26:11]
Matt Norlander
Okay, that's interesting. That's interesting.
- [26:14]
Gary Parrish
I mean, you want to Count Goodman circa 2012.
- [26:17]
Matt Norlander
There might be some claims he's still cyberbullying. I think, I think he's out there last night. Honestly, I think he's still out there cyberbullying. Just out of nowhere. Good. Make it cyber bully you out of nowhere. I think God bless him.
- [26:32]
Gary Parrish
Yeah.
- [26:34]
Matt Norlander
Here's the honest to God truth. At some point, if people are reasonably calling this the best story in college basketball or one of the best stories in college basketball, and I think you can reasonably call that at some point, you don't want to be the one person out there kind of very publicly saying, yeah, I'm not putting a number next to your name. Like, at some point you're just like, what? Like, isn't this supposed to be fun? I'd rather be involved in the fun than having, than being asked every day, why don't you have Miami Ohio in the top 25? And why? Because then I have to point out a bunch of things about their body of work that that makes it very reasonable to keep them unranked. And again, what is the fun in that? So strength of record for Miami Ohio is 21. And that's good enough for me to get them in the top 25 and 1. And I know this isn't an apples to apples math thing, but I do. I've always had this thought in my head that helps me not just be dismissive of, yeah, they played a bunch of games, they were supposed to win and they want them all. Who cares? Like, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. And every single time he stands on a free throw line, you assume he's going to make it, because he should. Every time you, you're shocked when he doesn't. But here's the truth. He misses one out of every ten. Just, you don't know why, you don't know, but you just, sometimes you mess up, sometimes you slip up. Sometimes the thing that you are great at and are supposed to do, you just don't get it done. Because that's sports. Almost every team in the country this season, certainly most of them have lost a game or multiple games that they weren't supposed to lose. And Miami Ohio hasn't done that once yet. In fact, they've won four times as an underdog, including last night. So I'm going to respect that and, and put a number next to their name. If I'm being completely honest, I didn't get them as high as I wanted to because There were like four teams at the bottom of the top 25 and one last night. All of them could have lost. Some of them should have lost, and they all happened to win one way or another. And so it would have been logically inconsistent to push them where I wanted to push them. But I was able to get them in there. Go Red Hawks.
- [28:52]
Gary Parrish
Flap your Wondering why there's silence. Flap his wings again like the St. Joe's hawk.
- [28:57]
Matt Norlander
Wave your, wave them, wave yours.
- [28:59]
Gary Parrish
No, you know what? I have too much respect for the St. Joe's hawk to do that.
- [29:02]
Matt Norlander
I do too.
- [29:03]
Gary Parrish
But I have never seen that. I've heard love and honor. Okay? I haven't. I haven't seen the flapping of the wings. Okay, have you by the way, shouts to our tremendous one of our tremendous bosses, Eric K. Miami grad as well he is. He is on cloud nine this morning. Additionally 107101 so now Miami, as mentioned previously on the pod, has now won 20 straight games where it scored at least 75 plus points. It joins a short list of some really good teams from from yesteryear. This team is second in the country in points per game. 94.6 outstanding group there. First ever Mac team to start 20 0. It is one game shy of tying the Antonio Gates 0102 Kent State team that won 21 straight. Not 21 0, just 21 straight. It needs one more to tie that and two more to break that record. They took a four hour bus ride home last night and talked with Travis about a number of things. Some of them you're going to read, but I'll give you some of them right here. And as it pertains to like the schedule stuff, I, I have a feeling we're going to wind up talking about Miami again as we get into February and where this team should be seated. I'm going to push all of that to the side and save that for another show. But as it stands here, what he's doing certainly a an uplifting, interesting college basketball story. He was at Xavier for four years. He gets the Xavier job because Chris Mack takes the Louisville job, becomes the first coach to get the Xavier job at the time when it is in the Big east, there's a lot surrounding that. It happens amid Covid. He doesn't make the tournament. The couple years he was really close, extremely close. His fourth year he gets fired. So they lose a game they could not afford to lose against I think Butler in the Big east tournament four years ago. He then they make the nit. They win their first NIT game. The next morning he gets fired. Doesn't even coach out the rest of that NIT run with Xavier. And then as he told me last night, like he was he was still itching to coach. Like he wasn't burnt out, didn't need a year off, didn't want to necessarily join a staff as an assistant. If he could still be a head coach, he wanted to be a head coach. Very Midwest guy, you know, greater Cincinnati area has a lot of ties there. So we, if you could stay local. He wanted to stay relatively local. Well, job in Oxford, Ohio opens up, he takes it. And he said one of the biggest reasons why Miami is here now, and there's a lot of them, but one of them was he told the athletic director when he was in the job process, he was like, if you want to hire me, there are certain things that I want to do with a program that I was restricted from doing at Xavier for one reason or another. Fair or not, I get it. But if I get another crack at this, you know, I have a specific vision I want to do. And, and I, I need essentially carte blanche to do this. And if you're not comfortable with that, that's fine. You can go somewhere else. But I can go somewhere else. We can, you can hire someone else. But I really believe, here's why it can work. And the AD did empower him to do that. Now, it was bumpy year one, year two, as he said. He told me last night, he said, year three will be when we get it going. It's going to be a little rough year one year too. But if you stick with it, I, you know, promise here it's going to happen. Well, Miami people might not realize this. Miami a year ago was essentially a bucket away from making the tournament. Lost to Akron in the Mac. In the Mac tournament there. And then I had him go through it on the phone. I said, I know you brought back a lot of players, but in this transient era, especially, you know, mid major coaches, you can sometimes lose your assistance for one reason or another. How many people in your program, in your travel group that are at every home game, every away game, you know, manager, support staff, how many people from last year's team are on this year's team? And the number is 25. That is a big number to carry over year to year. And there's a significant reason why they've been able to have the success they've had. It's not just that they've got a lot of good returning pieces, which is critical, but people might not realize this. Like Evan Ipsaro, starting point guard, Tory acl December, he's done for the year. They have not fallen off the guy who made the bucket last night. That sent it to the, that sent to the bonus session. He has stepped in and played point guard for the first time in his college career. So there's a lot of really cool, really fun angles to this whole thing. And as I was talking to Travis about it, I said this is just, it's an amazing thing to have college basketball get a mid major team deep into January without a loss. This does not happen a lot. I'm gonna give you another nugget from the story right now. True mid major teams since 1990, 91 that have gotten to a 200 start. It's not GP, it's not a long list. Okay. It's. If you want to go back to 1991 outside the power conferences, the list starts with 9091. UNLV, not a mid major team. Sorry, that group was not a min. So I don't even count that. 95, 96 UMass. If you maybe want to count that Calipari team with Marcus Camby.
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Mick Cronin
I'll.
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Gary Parrish
I'll give you that. That's a borderline case. 03 04St. Joe's 20102011 San Diego State with Kawhi. That was a mid major school at that point. 2011-12, Murray State, 1314 Wichita State and then the only other most recent example of a mid major team, and I actually think this is also like borderline and debatable was the 1920 San Diego State team that didn't get to play in the tournament because of COVID 19. I think it's even debatable if that was a mid major. We so rarely get a bona fide mid major. And I can even move the definition even more. A team in a one bid league to start 200 just, you know, it develops into a very good marketing plot line for college basketball. We got this team. It's that Miami. No, it's the other Miami. Now this Miami is better than the other Miami and they're winning in dramatic fashion. But they put up points incredibly well. This is the number one team, an effective field goal percentage in all of college basketball. Peter Suter is a dude. He had another good game last night. He finished with 27, 10 and 8. Kent State's Rob Whaley also went off. This was awesome. Really good stuff. An ESPN plus watch nonetheless, but. But really, really cool. I'll have more later today at dot com on the undefeated 200 Redhawks.
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Matt Norlander
Last thing and then we'll move on. Like you noted with your research, this is rare to have a Truman major this, this deep in the season with a zero in the loss column. I would argue this is also the hardest time to do that at the major level in the history of the sport. I saw Robbie Hummel on America's most watched Network over the weekend make this point and I thought it was great. He makes a lot of great points. He said, you know, that his vote for national coach of the year right now would go to Travis Steele. And obviously you could make a case for Fred Hoiberg or Tommy Lloyd. They're not easy, they're not hard things to do. You can make cases for, for any number of coaches. But the point Robbie made was in this era of college basketball, at that level of the sport, getting players to return is a very challenging thing. And yet Miami Ohio had real roster continuity. They brought back, you know, quality players in a time where most programs in their league and at that level are struggling to do it. And I'm sure you'll touch on that in the court report. But absolutely, this is a neat story. I don't know that we ever thought it would get to this point on January 21st. You know, I'll jump in there with you and hold your hand. I also thought if they were going to take a loss anytime soon, it was going to be last night at Kent State and they were on the verge of doing that. But they get it to overtime, they pull it out. 20 and oh, awesome story. Let's move on to the Wednesday whip around. First though. Josh, give us one more word from our partners.
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Richard Deitsch
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Matt Norlander
I've been turning down interviews all week. Kodakapi reached out. Oprah, George Stephanopoulos. So I said no. I was booked on the Deitch podcast before the Taylor Swift phenomenon. I must live up to my responsibility.
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Richard Deitsch
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Matt Norlander
All right, it's time for the Wednesday whip around. Let's start in the Big 12. Final score, number nine, Iowa State 87, UCF 57. The streets were starting to wonder if Iowa State would snap its two game losing streak or go the way a Vanderbilt. We'll get there. Answer, answer. Yes, the Cyclones snap their their two game losing streak with a 30 point win thanks in part to a Joshua Jefferson triple double. Norlander. Is Joshua Jefferson a first team all American for you right now? Yes or no?
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Gary Parrish
Yes. Unquestionably yes. Underline, underscore, bold italics. Yes. He was. And Credit to Iowa State for shutting. I mean USCF came into the game averaging 85 a game, has 57 here. Jefferson 17 points, 12 assists, 10 rebounds, four steals. We will have a conversation about this during one of the halftimes on CBS Sports Network for a game later this week. But Jefferson, by virtue of this emphatic performance, just, he reinforced that. And oh by the way, it is, it is kind of oh by the way, even though maybe it shouldn't be. Milan Momcilovic has made 75 threes this season. That's the most of any player in D1 and he's making them at a 54 clip, which is the most of any player with at least 50 attempts, but technically third overall in accuracy. So a very good win just by a 30 point B town. And now ISU at 17 2. It matches the best start through 19 games in school history. The team actually did it a year ago as well and did it in 94.95.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, Momcilovich is I, I think the way research put it last night, nobody else in the country at the Division 1 level it is, is making them at the rate he's making them while taking them as often as he's taking them. You can reasonably call him the best shooter in the country. And I think TJ is on record saying I want him taking 10 a game. And oh buddy, if he's going to make more than he misses, take 20. He's been terrific. And then you've got Jefferson last night, 17 points, 12 assists, 10 rebounds. That's 6 foot 9, 12 assist and 0 turns and he becomes the first Iowa State player ever to have multiple triple doubles in the same season. So I don't think they had, I, I, I wasn't skeptical that they would bounce back. And poor ucf, I mean Jesus Lord, not too long ago they were in the American, now they're in the Big 12. And they had to play number one undefeated Arizona on Saturday and then go to Hilton Magic. So that's, yeah, they don't, that, that, that two game combination does not exist in, in the American, but it does in the Big 12. It went for them about the way it would go for most. And so Iowa State back to its winning ways now 17 and two on the season. Final score, number 12, Texas Tech 92, Baylor 73. This one was about Christian Anderson, 26 points. He made eight threes, Texas Tech made 17. That's a program record. And Baylor is one in five in the Big 12. If we're talking about teams or programs rather, that you don't expect to be struggling like this. You noted Marquette earlier. Yeah, certainly that's true. Baylor being one in five in the Big 12, that's. That's not normal either.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, they haven't lost three in a row since January into February of 2014. Baylor. So yeah, I mean Baylor's biggest headlines this season with the James Naji stuff from December, which has prompted more players to try and take the same route. We don't have time for that on the show today, but sometime soon for sure, if it continues to be the nonsense that's happening there. But yeah, Baylor is not tracking toward making the tournament at all. In fact, it's looking to be not even close, which is a surprise. This was a team that was expected to be in the tournament mix and it has been a downturn. Christian Anderson is the story here as just on fire. 8 of 10 from 3 point range, 26 points in this one and is getting topping being his teammate. You know, it feels like these two are so good and they are the best one, two combination in college basketball. There's no other team that has two players of all American caliber that do what these two do. They're the best one, two in the sport. I wonder if they're going to cancel each other out from being a first team all American and they're just going to wind up putting two guys on the second team. Last night was Anderson's night toppin was, you know, he was pedestrian for his standards but Texas Tech wins, wins with these. This. I actually thought this game was going to be quad box situation dialed in relatively throughout throughout it. That wasn't the case. Like I had it on. I was watching. Anderson was on fire. This wound up being an afterthought of a game that is a credit to Tech which is now 15 and 4 and 5 and 1 in the Big 12.
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Matt Norlander
I think they're going to have a hard time getting both of them on a first team, but they're both terrific. And you know, every other night one of them could go for what it looks like the biggest performance in the sport on that day. And Christian Anderson, you know, he was in the conversation for that on Tuesday night. Final score. This was a late one. Number 19, Kansas 75, Colorado 69. We should point out Bill Self, the Hall of Fame coach, did not travel with the team, did not coach the team. After being hospitalized on Monday, he was reportedly under the weather. Released a statement on Tuesday before the game saying he's feeling much better. But Jacques Vaughn, the KU alum and former NBA coach coached the Jayhawks last night. They went at 75, 69. Nothing really spectacular about the game. It wasn't Darren Peterson's great performance. In fact, he was off a little bit. But the big headline is Kansas won again, but without, without their hall of Fame coach.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, a couple. Let's just focus on Self real quick. But I will note Trey White had 17 and 15. Like he stepped up in a big way. Council was big late. They missed a brutal play where he stepped out of bounds and, and actually the locals were getting, it was, it was getting pretty feisty. And Tad Boyle, he can mix it up with the best of them unquestionably. But that was. I stayed up to watch the whole thing. We were texting near the end of it and yeah, they were, they were getting, they were getting angry. Credit to ku. Went into defensive overdrive in the end and got the win. Peterson 16 points on 15 shots. Kansas though, gets another win. It's 14 and five. It is now one, you can call it four or five times this season when it has not been at full operating strength. There was no Self on the sideline here. We know the Peterson stuff that is, that's happened here. Additional context on the Self stuff. If you're listening to the pod and you, you didn't either see it or you didn't catch all of it. They did stress that it was out in a, out of an abundance of caution that he just went to the hospital, wasn't feeling good, got some IV treatment. You know, most people watching, listening, you and I like you, you sometimes you get hit with, with the flu or whatever it is. And I don't know if Bill had the flu, but sometimes it feels like I really feel like I might die. So he, you know, he didn't want to take any chances. He's had obviously heart procedures multiple times. But we may have well had the glimpse into the future for Kansas and I'm not talking necessarily the future next season, but Jacques Vaughn is, you know, softly presumed to be the person that will take over for Kansas whenever Bill Self opts to retire, whether that is two months from now or seven years from now. I did think it interesting Jacques Vaughn is not listed as the associate head coach on this on the site. That's, that's Jeremy Case. He's not Curtis Townsend who has stepped in in this exact situation before and been the acting coach. Jacques Vaughn, obviously, famously just an awesome, awesome player in the 90s for Kansas. Long time NBA coaching veteran, joined the staff last year and Bill knew that the the person that was. That he selected to be the acting head coach. The Kansas fan base would look into that decision. And so Jacques being picked, you know, it may. Well, I. I'm not saying he's getting the job. I'm just saying generally speaking, when you look at the future of Kansas basketball, jock Vaughn is considered the favorite to succeed Bill Self when that time comes. If that time comes. Remains to be seen. Bill is expected to be back with the team later this week and to coach later this weekend if he progresses on the mend as expected.
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Matt Norlander
I was on radio in Kansas City on Tuesday, like I am every Tuesday during the season with Seren Petro, and he asked me that question specifically. At the time we were talking, it had not been announced or confirmed that Jaque Von was going to be the acting head coach. But he was like, you know, it's got to be somebody. And it could be the associate head coach or Joe Dooley or Curtis Townsend.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, Julie's another one. Yeah.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah. I mean, you could make a case for it. They've all got a case to be made. And Srin asked me, like, when we find out who it is, is that an indication of which way the athletic department and. Or Bill might be leaning toward when he does step away, this is the next head coach. And I said, I've never really thought about that, but yeah, that makes sense. This would be a tip of the card, so to speak. And so I thought it was notable that Jacques Vaughn was the person put in charge of that last night. And it went well. He even had a nice, I think, baseline out of bounds late in the game that Franny was like. That might even been better than Bill because Bill has a reputation of being great in those situations. So he looked the part. Everything looked normal. Kansas looked like Kansas, other than Darren Peterson, wasn't a star. They get the win on the road. Let's move to the SEC. Number 20. Arkansas 93. Vanderbilt 68. The Commodores have now dropped three straight. Wally Zerbiak, he caught him computer trickers on Inside College Basketball last night. I invented that term, but I don't mind my buddy. I don't mind my buddy using it. Is Vandy a computer tricker? Get on the record. Now.
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Gary Parrish
We also got breaking news we gotta get to before the end of the show.
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Matt Norlander
I saw it. I was gonna slide it in where you were talking, referenced it, but I didn't know.
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Gary Parrish
I didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see it. We'll get. We'll get there. We'll get to, let's just do with the game stuff first here and then we kind of need to address this before we get out of the show. Computer tricker potential here. Like, you know, Vanderbilt, it beat Alabama back on January 7th and then was able to handle LSU 16 0. Call it a valid national title contender. And it's done me a solid. It's done me a solid here. Three straight losses by an average of 15 points. That one's on me. Yeah, that's, that's certainly interesting. This was a very, very good win for Arkansas. The Vandy stuff is a little concerning and the exposure of its lack of size. I was talking to a couple of coaches and actually one other analyst a couple of weeks ago and they were saying like Vandy is so promising, but the thing that might get them, the thing that could prevent them from making it like to the Final Four is they just don't have the rebounding prowess and physical size to potentially match up with, you know, three, four really good teams in the tournament that exposed itself in a major way. Arkansas scored at will around the rim in this 93, 68. You had D.J. wagner coming off the bench for the first time. Caliperi talked about this afterward. He was just trying to motivate his guys. He basically said he was pissed off the day before practice. Wanted to make sure everyone left the gym pissed off. They responded. Six guys in double figures between 10 and 17 points. A very important bounce back for Arkansas after it was handled at Georgia. So yes, maybe the most intriguing score of the night outside of what happened in Westwood considering the margin and how Vandy couldn't get off the Schneide. And then Arkansas was able to bounce back here and keep itself in the conversation to potentially threaten to be at the top of the league.
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Matt Norlander
One more in the SEC. Number 21. Georgia 74, Missouri 72. Wild. Final few minutes there. Missou's a bubble team favored at home over a ranked team. Gotta get that one. It looked like they had it real missed opportunity for the Tigers.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah, this was a, this was a very, very good game. It was a, it was a missed opportunity. Georgia's probably the best team that no one's actually really talking about and some of that is understandable. Wasn't, didn't play a notable non con but at 16:3 here, Smurf Melender. First of all, college basketball remains the best. Got a dude named Smurf going off for 18 points and hitting the game winning three point play in the closing seconds to get this done. This is Georgia's best 19 game start since 394039 40. That was the second year that we even had an NCAA tournament in college basketball. I mentioned Miami University, Miami of Ohio being the second best scoring team in the country. Number one is Georgia. They scored a higher clip than than anyone Mizzou. I gotta say, about as mysterious of a team at the high major level as we have in this sport. I just don't know what to make of this group. It started off well. 8 no, it was non competitive against Illinois. It has wins over Florida, it won at Kentucky, got a win over Auburn, lost three of its past four. I don't know what to make of Dennis Gates's team. I know that it's not a top 25 team but I don't know if this is a team that can actually play spoiler in the SEC down the stretch or if it's going to be a team that kind of fades a bit. So very interesting and intriguing result there. Let's pivot real quick here into the news that has emerged in the midst of the show and we don't have a ton of time. GP's got his show and there's a few other scores that I want to get to, but Charles Bediaco has been granted a temporary restraining order in the state of Alabama to be able to play for the Tide. Now I have texted Nate Oates in the past few minutes. I asked him if he's eligible and oats said, I'm not 100 sure yet. Compliance is working on it now. And then I also, I texted Oats, do you expect him to play this weekend if eligible? He has not gotten back to me. If he does, I'll, I'll update you before we get out of the show. Alabama host Tennessee on Saturday. I said on a December pod that I was absolutely done predicting which way this kind of stuff would go. The NCAA already denied Charles Bediaco and if, if we're saying the name and this and this is off of your radar and you're like how do I know? Like what is that name? How do I know Charles Bediaco? The dude played for Alabama three years ago. He played in college, declared for the draft, never played in the NBA, played in the G League, signed a professional contract and has now been given a temporary injunction to play. This is similar to James Najee, but also very, very different. The rule has been if you are a college player, if you have played in college games and you would declare for the draft and you don't take your name out, you are not eligible. The NCAA ruled on his case, said no. They took her to a judge. Alabama's won a short term win. This is absolute nonsense. We don't have a ton of time, but GP floor is yours for the next two, three minutes. Whatever. You want to chime in on this, I can't believe it actually happened this fast, but at the same time, I kind of can't.
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Matt Norlander
I am not right about everything. St. John's Braden Smith. Although. Although, like the morning of January 21st, the worst morning to be a believer in St. John's and you know, whatever, but we don't need to really re litigate all that. What I'm trying to say is I'm not right about everything. But I told you what was going to happen more than a year ago. I told you where this was headed. And I see other people jump on Twitter and they say, stop with all these hypotheticals about what if this player decided to challenge. Because the rules are the rules. And these are the rules, brother. The rules in my adult life used to be Ennis Cantor can't play college basketball. We had these lines drawn for a long time and we have blown right past them and nobody knows where they are anymore. And they don't hold up well in courtrooms because like I've said a million times, and attorneys can say it in a more sophisticated way than I can, but the public school, Mississippi way to say it is once you get in front of an attorney and you start trying to logically lay this stuff out, it ain't gonna make much sense to them.
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Gary Parrish
All right?
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Matt Norlander
So you, you can say, well, the reason James Najee can play and Charles Betty Ako can't play is because he played college basketball before and this guy never played college basketball before. And then this guy signed this contract and this guy signed this contract. But at the end of the day, the lawyer's then going to stand up and say, they've both been professional basketball players. They, in fact, this one over here has played more professional basketball games than this one over here. This player wants to play college basketball. This university wants him to play college basketball. They're willing to pay him to do it, a lot of money. Who are you to stand in the way legally? And now here we are again. This was always gonna. It's gonna keep getting pushed until they lose in the courtroom. But we have not reached that point yet. So please, everybody else who talks and writes about college basketball, please just stop pretending you know where the line is. Stop pretending you know who should play and who shouldn't play because you don't know. You didn't know last time you said it. You didn't know the time before that you said it. You have none of us know. I'm just the one standing up and consistently saying, I don't know. I mean, I.
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Gary Parrish
But I'll tell you what I believe that if you played three years ago in college for multiple years, declared for the draft, stayed in the draft, signed a professional contract, you can't come back and play college basketball. You can believe. I believe. Do you agree or disagree?
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Matt Norlander
I believe if you put me in charge and. And I've got legal authority, you're in charge.
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Gary Parrish
Should Charles Bediako be playing college basketball this weekend?
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Matt Norlander
I don't. That. No. But that's not the conversation. It has never been the conversation. If you put me in charge and I had legal authority to just stamp it. These are the rules. They cannot be challenged, period. I would. I would design them in a way where somebody like Charles Benioco could not play college basketball. All right? But we don't have real rules that are covered in real laws, and so they can get challenged pretty easily. And, I mean, it's been, I think, less than 24 hours we even heard about this, and he's already got the injunction and could theoretically play this weekend.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah.
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Matt Norlander
This is where we. This is where we are in the sport. Let's stop pretending that we aren't and stop pretending that, you know, you don't know who's eligible and who's not. You don't know what the rules are because they keep moving the line all the time.
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Gary Parrish
This is a very big line in the sand for the ncaa. There is a hearing set for. So he's got the preliminary injunction, temporary restraining order, which. Which allows him theoretically, if Alabama compliance clears him, to play as soon as this weekend. But the hearing, set for January 27, six days from now, will be a major one. If this. If Betty Ako wins. And by the way, this is because of the timeline with all this stuff. He's only eligible to play for the rest of this season, and then his eligibility is expired and all that. But if he wins. I know, I know. Whatever. We got to keep it moving. If he win. If he wins and he plays for Alabama for the rest of the season, this is the case that completely causes the entire system to fold in on itself. There's no NBA draft deadline. There's no going and leaving college, and you're gone forever. Like this is. This has become a very, very meaningful, heavy case. In. In. In the snap of a finger here. He's not the only one. There was. There's another player this morning. We don't have the time to dive into this. You got to be off the. Off the. Off the show in less than 10 minutes. But the. I just can't believe. I mean, I can, but I can't believe. This is. This is a joke. He should not be able to play. I'm not disagreeing with what you laid out, Parrish. I'm saying what everyone understands to be what should be the moral clarity and guiding principles to what is, is right and just for who's eligible to play college basketball. Dude, you left this sport years ago and now you're. And now you're swooping back in for a payday. By the way, Alabama needs. That's the other thing. Alabama been a little bit like this. So you tell Nate Oats he can bring on a seven footer with some legit college experience. Expect the guy to say no, of course not. There's also that part of it. You didn't see the body. Like they're falling back in the SEC race. They almost get picked off on the road against Oklahoma.
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Matt Norlander
You can, you could just see Nate losing as a favorite at home inside Coma Coliseum. He's just walking to the back yelling at some grad assistant. How do we know we can't get Benioco eligible? How do we know that? And now here we are.
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Gary Parrish
Wild, wild times. Before we look ahead, there's just a couple more. Just a couple more results. I don't know why GP continues to want to ignore St. John's they won 6560 over Seaton hall in comeback fashion. Seton hall was miserable from the line, miserable from the field. St. John's has won seven of eight since the CBS Sports Classic for confirmed number two in the biggie. Still in Mitchell, 1711 was the best player on the floor. They got a win there. Rick Patino is now tied with Bob Knight for most wins all time at 899. Although I saw that note and I don't know if he is at 899 including the vacated victories or if he passed 899 long ago. And this is like the official stat. So regardless it's him and Bob 98.99 next next game. As fate would have it. Did you. Did you see the quoter or check the schedule on this with. With St. John's oh yeah.
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Matt Norlander
Rick said if he doesn't get his 900th win this weekend against his son Richard and Xavier he will leave his team in Cincinnati but it'd be hilarious if poor Zubi edge of or gets stuck in Cincinnati.
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Gary Parrish
It would be awesome. I have not seen if Richard has responded on Twitter. He is one of the. He might be the funniest coach on Twitter to be honest. But look forward to that. And then the only other result that we didn't touch on at least worth mentioning, NC State got a desperately needed win. One not at Clemson. Clemson lost. So now Duke is the only undefeated team in the acc. It was NC State's first ranked win of the season ending a nine game winning streak for Clemson. Just a, just a big, big one there. That was big for them. And then late on our air, I actually didn't see this till this morning. I had to cash out. I was tired late. Weirdly, Utah State lost at home to unlv. That is a double seedline knock GP A very unexpected result deep into the night, but nonetheless that is notable. UNLV has been just okay in year one under Pastner and Utah State takes a weird, weird home loss late on, late on Tuesday night.
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Matt Norlander
I have set up boundaries with St. John's I'm not getting burned again. I, I'm, I'm, I'm away. I'm watching, I'm monitoring them and I'm leaving my heart open. I'm leaving my heart open and I'm open minded. But for now I've got some boundaries set up. We're gonna take this slow. We ain't gonna die.
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Gary Parrish
As someone in the chat said. Hold on, I'm gonna read you the exact quote. Okay? That's not what you should be doing. I actually love this. Hold on, I'm getting. Where was it they basically said you are not supposed to be operating with your rankings with your heart. Where's this? I got to read this.
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Matt Norlander
I don't know if it's not supposed to be fun. That's what somebody said, correct?
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Gary Parrish
It said. It said it's not supposed to be fun. You need to be Batman. You need to operate this thing like bat. Here we go. I had to pause. This is Celtics fan number two. I had to pause the live. But GP the top 25 and one is not supposed to be fun. You're supposed to be Batman. You're supposed to do what's necessary without emotion. I the Batman of college basketball.
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Matt Norlander
I understand the sentiment, but I don't want to be that. I used to be that with that was the politics version of me. That was the politics version of gp. I was just out there chopping necks every Monday afternoon. All right. But I've gotten a little. I've gotten a little more gentle as.
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Gary Parrish
I've dropping the guillotine on a Monday afternoon. He did leave that. He left that poll attacks life behind.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, I. So I get it. I understand. But I don't know if you've ever been bullied at work, but it sounds.
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Gary Parrish
Like you might have to make an hr.
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Matt Norlander
I'm not making any claims. I'm not making any claims. I'm just asking questions.
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Gary Parrish
You're just saying without saying. It's what you're doing here.
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Matt Norlander
Everything I'm. Everything I've said has been in the form of a question. Real quick, two more results from the Big Ten. Michigan, number three. Michigan 86, Indiana 72.
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Gary Parrish
Indian.
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Matt Norlander
Is this the least mad IU fans have ever been about losing by double digits to Michigan in basketball? Because Kurt Signetti is the greatest sports coach of all time.
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Gary Parrish
Yeah. Good call by you on that. Yeah. There could be no better time for Indiana just to be underwhelming in college basketball because it's coming off of. Since we last talked. IU wins the national title. Really awesome game on Monday night. Signetti gets it done. Greatest college football story ever told. All that good stuff. And Michigan had minimal issues with the Hoosiers on Tuesday. Yes. Very well timed by Darren Devries. You got. You've probably. In all seriousness, you've probably got another two to three weeks, and then the fan base is really going to key on you, and we'll see if they can turn it around.
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Matt Norlander
Yeah, Darren. I don't know where Darren Devise is going to take this IU program. Exactly. I got confidence in him. But here's what I'm certain of. There will have never been a better time for Darren Derviz to lose by double digits to Michigan than last night. That was the best time to ever do it. Number 10, Michigan State 68, Oregon 52. I don't care about the game, but.
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Gary Parrish
Can we just play the quote?
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Matt Norlander
Yeah. Tom Izzo went viral. Josh. If you got it, hit that button and let's watch it and then talk. We got to get Evan Mia to weigh in on that. Like, does he have some. Some data to support the idea that he cannot guard? Tom is his mother.
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Gary Parrish
That is Tom Eso talking to sophomore wing Kurtang. Michigan State wins without issue. 6852 at Oregon. It's just there's something about Izzo in that clip which is all of three seconds long, that I can't get enough of. It is the decades of coaching, the casual, just dismissal and disgust. I'm sure Izzo loves Kirtan. You're playing on the road. You're on your way to a win. You're not having issues. You're holding Oregon on its home floor eventually to 52 points. And as Izzo's trying to diagram a play in a TV timeout, it's Tang off to the side. He's not even sitting in front of Izzo. And it's just, I'm gonna body bag you right now, Kerr. You can't guard my mother. My mother. The second my mother is what makes it. That is just beautiful. And I guess the, the Tom Izzo's range is underrated. He, he, he can go as casually cruel and in a hilarious fashion as you want, and then he can look like he is ready to, to turn into a purple monster, veins busting from his neck, screaming at one of his players or officials in a moment's time. It's the best.
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Matt Norlander
To your point, on Senior Night, if any players still ever get there, Tom Izzo will hug Tang and, and, and with tears in his eyes.
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Gary Parrish
Yes.
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Matt Norlander
Okay, okay. Like, and I, I, people can get upset about this as they want to. And I, I, I know that Tom's approach to every single thing in coaching or in running a basketball program isn't for everybody, I guess, whatever. But I'm just like, here's the truth. The way he does it works for him, and his players love him. We should probably just leave it alone. Like, the votes are in over many decades. His players do not mind being coached this way and good.
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Gary Parrish
He wants them to give it back to him. Like, you see that every so often, like, junior, senior. They're like, he, like, he wants, he embraces that. He's like, yeah, you better. You come after me. I want to see that from you.
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Matt Norlander
There was the moment in a recent game, past couple of weeks, I guess, where he's, they're in a huddle, and Jeremy Fears is giving it back to him a little bit. And Tom, like, kind of smirks, like, smiles like, okay, I like this. Like, all right, let's go. Like, I'm in it. Let's go. I like this. So he will give it to them, but he will also take it. He's not the guy who's going to get up in somebody's face and say, shut up. Don't talk to me like that. Like, he'll, he'll take it. And regardless, like, is that the way you would like to be coached? You can Answer that yourself. Is that the way I'd like to be coached? I'm not sure. But it works for him and his players love him. Good luck finding a coach in the sport who former players love more and are more loyal to by the dozens. They go back to East Lansing every summer just to hang out, just to be around the program and the current players, even the one and dones like Jaren Jackson Jr. That, that thing that Tom has established there is special and every season he's going to have one of these and every season people's going to go you should you be doing that. And every season I'm going to say it works for him and his players don't mind it. Let's move on.
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Gary Parrish
Hold on, hold on. Two quick things. One, one, just that inside the huddle thing, you know, 19 out of 20 times, it's whatever but gold. So, so good TV on that. And two, I actually was curious about this as well. We have our live chat. This is where it's very helpful. It's not that Thomas was telling Kurt Tang he couldn't guard his mother in a previous life. Thomas mother evidently alive and 99 years old. So it is, it is the context that is telling his 1920 year old player, you couldn't guard my 99 year old mother on the floor right now. Oh, I couldn't love it more. All right, let's wrap the show. What do you want to end on?
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Matt Norlander
Just looking ahead to the next two nights. I'm gonna be in studio CBS sports network tonight, 4:30 call time. It'll be me, Adam Zucker, Ice Young and Roy Hibbert. We got a 30 minute episode inside college basketball that starts at 6:30pm Eastern. Then it's at 7 Eastern. Murray State at Drake. The racers are 16 and 3, 8 and O in the NBC shouts to Ryan Miller. Fresno State at New Mexico at 9 Eastern, 11 Eastern we'll have Oregon State at St. Mary's the gals are 17 and 3. Elsewhere on Wednesday, Maryland at number 11, Illinois with Kylon Boswell sidelined for a month with a hand injury. That was a headline from Tuesday. Sucked to hear. Cincinnati at number one and undefeated Arizona. Washington at number seven and undefeated Nebraska. Let's so that's the schedule for Wednesday night. On Thursday, zero ranked teams are in action. So that's obviously a great day to finish. Season two of Landman streaming right now on Paramount. Plus starring Billy Bob Thornton, Demi Moore, Sam Elliott, Ollie Longer and Michelle Randolph, among others. I think we're going to call that.
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Gary Parrish
A show that is absolutely a show. Wrap us up.
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Matt Norlander
GP shouts to Devin Downey shouts to Chester, S.C. shouts to Terry Teagle legend Huck Barnell. Thank you guys once again for watching listening to the Ion College Basketball Podcast. Do not subscribe don't subscribe anywhere you subscribe to podcasts, Apple, Spotify, more of us than there are of them got to be reflected in the comments. To do that please. We will talk to you again on Friday morning. Till then, take care. Paramount Podcasts in the UEFA Champions League, every moment is a story.
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