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Introduction

In the July 29, 2025 episode of ESPN's Fantasy Focus Football, hosts Field Yates, Daniel Doppa, and Stefania Bell delve into the intricacies of quarterback rankings for the upcoming fantasy football season. The episode primarily focuses on breaking down quarterback tiers, offering strategic insights for fantasy managers. Amid light-hearted banter about personal topics, the hosts transition seamlessly into the main discussion, providing a comprehensive analysis of the top quarterbacks and their potential impact on fantasy rosters.

Live Shows and Community Engagement ([02:28]–[03:23])

Before diving into quarterback tiers, the hosts promote upcoming live shows in New York City and Philadelphia, emphasizing the benefits of attending such events, including swag, food, drinks, and meet-and-greets with fantasy experts. Field Yates humorously highlights the value of these events, likening the ticket price to a fraction of their actual worth:

Field Yates [03:49]: "That's more like a $3,500 value. You're getting it for 35 bucks, 1% of retail value."

Stefania Bell encourages listeners to attend both shows, noting that each live event offers unique content, making attendance twice as rewarding.

Methodology for Ranking Quarterbacks ([06:05]–[07:39])

Field Yates introduces the concept of using tiers instead of traditional rankings to evaluate quarterbacks, arguing that tiers provide a clearer picture of players with similar value levels. He explains that while rankings prioritize the likelihood of finishing as the top quarterback, tiers group players who offer comparable value without an agonizing focus on their exact order.

Field Yates [06:06]: "At least this is philosophically how I go about making my player rankings each year..."

Tier 1: Elite Dual-Threat Quarterbacks ([07:39]–[10:18])

Field Yates presents Tier 1 quarterbacks, whom he considers have the highest potential to finish as QB1 in fantasy leagues. This tier includes five quarterbacks:

1. Lamar Jackson (09:37)
2. Jaden Daniels (09:37)
3. Jalen Hurts (09:37)
4. Josh Allen (09:37)
5. Joe Burrow (09:37)

Key Attributes:

• Dual-Threat Ability: Except for Joe Burrow, all Tier 1 quarterbacks offer significant rushing upside, enhancing their fantasy value.
• Consistency and Upside: These players are either established stars or possess breakout potential, making them reliable and high-ceiling picks.

Notable Insights:

• Joe Burrow's Unique Value: While Joe Burrow lacks the rushing prowess of his peers, his elite passing stats place him firmly in Tier 1 due to his consistency and ceiling in passing yards and touchdowns.

Field Yates [09:37]: "Joe Burrow to me belongs in this tier but he has a different pathway than the other four."

• Josh Allen vs. Jaden Daniels Debate: Daniel Doppa expresses a preference for Josh Allen over Jaden Daniels, citing Allen's elite rushing touchdowns and consistent performance.

Daniel Doppa [12:07]: "It's a tier that's lower than where I would have. I would have him second."

Tier 2: High-Upside Quarterbacks ([17:56]–[20:30])

Field Yates outlines Tier 2 quarterbacks, including Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Brock Purdy, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, and Dak Prescott. These players possess established upside from previous seasons and have shown potential for repeat performances.

Key Attributes:

• Established Upside: These quarterbacks have demonstrated significant performance in past seasons, indicating they can replicate or exceed their previous output.
• Strategic Value: Tier 2 offers excellent value, especially in drafts where elite Tier 1 quarterbacks might command high picks.

Notable Insights:

• Baker Mayfield's Value: Despite playing in a potentially improved Tampa Bay defense, Field Yates appreciates Mayfield's consistent fantasy points last season.

Field Yates [19:43]: "10 games with 20 or more fantasy points last year. ... a very high floor for you to be able to have."

• Patrick Mahomes' Decline: Although Mahomes remains a highly talented quarterback, his fantasy production has dipped, with fewer games scoring over 20 fantasy points in the recent seasons.

Stefania Bell [26:07]: "I think you can't count him out. I agree with you about the best receiving core..."

Tier 3: Promising but Uncertain Quarterbacks ([34:37]–[37:05])

Tier 3 features quarterbacks with potential but also significant uncertainties, such as Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Drake May, Justin Fields, and Jared Goff. These players exhibit standout traits but face factors that could hinder consistent fantasy performance.

Key Attributes:

• Potential for High Upside: These quarterbacks have the tools to deliver exceptional fantasy performances in certain weeks.
• Consistency Issues: Variability in performance and external factors (e.g., team dynamics, injuries) make them less reliable.

Notable Insights:

• Caleb Williams' Potential: Both Field and Daniel highlight Williams as a quarterback with the highest potential to "skyrocket" in fantasy value, given his athleticism and the strong offensive support.

Daniel Doppa [45:00]: "Caleb Williams is the one that feels like if one of them were just to like to the moon, he's the guy I think has the best chance to do that."

• Justin Herbert vs. Jared Goff: While Herbert shows improved late-season performance, Goff's inconsistency remains a concern despite occasional high-scoring games.

Tier 4: Riskier Picks with Limited Upside ([46:02]–[55:01])

Tier 4 includes quarterbacks like JJ McCarthy, Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, Cam Ward, and Bryce Young. These players are considered gamble picks due to limited past performances and high variability in potential outcomes.

Key Attributes:

• High Risk, Low Reliability: These quarterbacks may have flash-in-the-pan performances but lack the consistency needed for dependable fantasy scoring.
• Developmental Stage: Many Tier 4 quarterbacks are still developing or are in systems that may not fully utilize their talents.

Notable Insights:

• Trevor Lawrence's Injury Impact: Lawrence's performance last season was hampered by injuries and inconsistent offensive support, making his future fantasy value uncertain.

Field Yates [47:01]: "He's not really a runner. And he didn't throw nearly prolifically."

• Jordan Love's Potential: Despite promising athleticism, Love's limited performance and the Tennessee offense's design place him lower in the tiers.

Tier 5: Low-Upside Quarterbacks ([55:01]–[60:43])

The final tier encompasses quarterbacks like Matthew Stafford, Geno Smith, and Tua Tagovailoa. These players are deemed to have the least fantasy upside due to their limited skill sets or declining performance.

Key Attributes:

• Limited Upside: These quarterbacks are unlikely to provide significant fantasy returns and may often result in below-average scoring.
• Specialized Roles: Some Tier 5 quarterbacks may have specific roles that don't translate well into fantasy points.

Notable Insights:

• Tua Tagovailoa's Volatility: Tua's inconsistent performances and heavy reliance on game scripts make him a precarious fantasy option.

Field Yates [56:19]: "It's so tough because I think he's a great runner, but I don't think he's an elite runner."

Overall Insights and Strategic Recommendations

1. Tiers Over Rankings: Utilizing tiers allows fantasy managers to identify groups of quarterbacks with similar value, facilitating more strategic draft decisions based on positional runs and draft flow.

2. Value Hunting in Tier 1 and Tier 2: Field Yates and Daniel Doppa emphasize targeting Tier 1 and Tier 2 quarterbacks in the middle to later rounds for optimal value, as these players offer high ceilings without the premium price of the absolute elite.

   Daniel Doppa [16:59]: "These are around three to four targets for me. Rounds three and rounds four target."

3. Monitoring ADP and Mock Drafts: The hosts stress the importance of staying updated with Average Draft Position (ADP) and participating in mock drafts to gauge when quarterbacks are likely to be picked, helping managers make informed decisions.

4. Flexibility and Adaptability: Being prepared to adjust strategies based on draft dynamics, such as a sudden quarterback run, is crucial to avoid being left with lower-tier options.

5. Up-and-Coming Quarterbacks: While Tier 3 quarterbacks like Caleb Williams present high upside, their success may heavily depend on team dynamics and coaching effectiveness.

Conclusion

The July 29, 2025 episode of Fantasy Focus Football offers a thorough examination of quarterback tiers, equipping fantasy managers with valuable insights to enhance their draft strategies. By understanding the nuances of each tier and the factors influencing quarterback performance, managers can make more informed decisions, balancing risk and reward to build competitive fantasy teams.

Notable Quotes:

• Field Yates [06:06]: "At least this is philosophically how I go about making my player rankings each year..."
• Daniel Doppa [12:07]: "It's a tier that's lower than where I would have. I would have him second."
• Field Yates [16:06]: "I like all of these players in real life as players. They're going to have some solid games for sure."
• Stefania Bell [26:07]: "I think you can't count him out. I agree with you about the best receiving core..."
• Daniel Doppa [45:00]: "Caleb Williams is the one that feels like if one of them were just to like to the moon, he's the guy I think has the best chance to do that."
• Field Yates [56:19]: "It's so tough because I think he's a great runner, but I don't think he's an elite runner."

Transcript

[Field Yates]

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[Stefania Bell]

They're coming after our family. Go fix this.

[Field Yates]

Oh, my. Nobody 2, rated R. Holding in theaters August 15th.

[Daniel Doppa]

Welcome into fantasy Focus Football. My name is Daniel Doppa alongside Field Jates and Stefania Bell. We are back for another day. It is Tuesday, July 29th. Yesterday we did a mock draft. We came back with a vengeance. In case this is your first time listening to the show this week, we did a mock draft on Monday. Go back and check that out. It was a very fun show. But guys, I'm really pumped to be able to be here with both of you again today. We're going into tears this week.

[Field Yates]

We are. So we start with the quarterback tiers today. We'll do every position after that throughout the week. But I want to say congratulations not just to find you, because there was no doubt in my mind. To Daniel for not getting fired after one show yesterday.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's right.

[Stefania Bell]

Say they let us back on the air today.

[Field Yates]

Back for day two. Shout out to Daniel. Shout out to me for surviving a show. Stefanias.

[Stefania Bell]

Like, guys, that's your hair.

[Field Yates]

14 years. Oh, thank you.

[Stefania Bell]

I know you're like, we can talk.

[Field Yates]

About it every day until the season's over. I'm not gonna complain, that's for sure. But Daniel's got his hair literally let down.

[Daniel Doppa]

You wanna know why? I'll tell you why, Field. I know yesterday you were a little bit bummed Cause you were like, they cut it a little shorter than what I wanted. And this is one of the things about sports. You know this. It's sometimes you need to play with someone better than you so you can play up to your competition. Right? I wanted to give your hair something to be like. That's what I aspire to be.

[Field Yates]

Damn it. You're right.

[Daniel Doppa]

So now your hair gets to play up to the competition. It's gonna grow out even faster. It already looks full and beautiful.

[Stefania Bell]

My friend did overhear Field in the makeup room say he's thinking about growing a beard.

[Field Yates]

No, Field.

[Stefania Bell]

So ask for too far.

[Field Yates]

I'm coming for Daniel's.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's too far. Pretty soon he's gonna be wearing T shirts and jeans to work.

[Field Yates]

I'll tell you what, he's gonna get crazy.

[Stefania Bell]

Daniel, jeez, do you own a T shirt?

[Field Yates]

I have a couple, yeah.

[Daniel Doppa]

I'm sure I'M sure Rob's makes a.

[Stefania Bell]

Few I thought you were going to say congratulations T shirts.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

To Brock Purdy of the San Francisco 49ers. He is a girl dad.

[Daniel Doppa]

Congratulations.

[Stefania Bell]

Yes. Yes.

[Field Yates]

Yeah. Very cool.

[Stefania Bell]

Joining the girl dads at the table. I figured you would appreciate that.

[Field Yates]

Good thing I moved up my rankings yesterday.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's right.

[Field Yates]

We have our quarterback tiers in just a bit, but we have some housekeeping to get to before. And I promise we're like 90 seconds away from talking about the quarterback tears. But Daniel.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah.

[Field Yates]

We have to give the people some information.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah. We got some live shows going back to where we have done this before. New York City. We got tickets going fast. Come see us Live Thursday, Aug. 7, at the Gramercy Theater in New York city. Go to fantasyfocuslive.com in order to get tickets. Just like every other live show that we have. You get swag. You get food, you get drinks. There's a meet and greet afterwards. Yeah. We get to hang out, ask questions. So it's always a ton of fun. Go grab tickets. They are going quickly. But if you are not in the New York City area and you're in the Philadelphia area.

[Field Yates]

Nice.

[Daniel Doppa]

August 14th, we're going to be at Union Transfer. Go check us out there as well, which is very cool. Same thing. Go to focus live philly.com that is focus.

[Field Yates]

I think it's fantasy.

[Daniel Doppa]

Fantasy, focus live philly.com you can grab tickets. Same exact thing. Food, drinks, swag, meet and greet, all that good stuff. So make sure you check us out at both of those places. It's going to be a ton of fun. These live shows are always awesome.

[Field Yates]

Feel G. I'm raising my hand to not but to instead state something that I believe is a fact. Okay. I think this is a steal of a deal. $35. Like, I think in New York, you can buy one bottle of water and half of a bagel. No cream cheese, though, for $35. $35. So the fact that you get all of this stuff, swag included, plus the intangible value of the presence of Stefania Bell, to me, that's more like a $3,500 value. You're getting it for 35 bucks, 1% of retail value.

[Stefania Bell]

I think you should even consider going to both shows because no two shows are alike.

[Daniel Doppa]

You're right.

[Stefania Bell]

That's right. Different content each week. And this is the time of year when things change on the dime. So why not follow us around? Come to New York. Come to Philly.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep. Liz Loza and Mike Clay will be at both of those shows, which is going to be a ton of fun. By the way. Mike Clay getting a homecoming show in Philadelphia, how fun is that going to be?

[Stefania Bell]

Insufferable. Because he's going to be the worst. The world championship Philadelphia Eagles, and he's going to go on and on and on. And we're going to remind him in front of the Philly crowd that he was not as high on Saquon as some of us.

[Field Yates]

Wow.

[Daniel Doppa]

Take that, Mike.

[Field Yates]

Mike sitting there on vacation right now sipping a Mai Tai at 10:12 is like, what's.

[Stefania Bell]

He's not listening. He doesn't care.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, he might be doing exactly what you're saying, but he's not listening to the podcast right now.

[Stefania Bell]

Or a margarita. I think those are the only two things.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's what he drinks. All right, well, you know where you can get a savvy bee or a nice margarita? Stefania.

[Field Yates]

Where?

[Daniel Doppa]

Down in the Bahamas.

[Stefania Bell]

I knew it.

[Daniel Doppa]

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[Field Yates]

That's right.

[Daniel Doppa]

Absolutely.

[Field Yates]

We had quite a few of those last year. People that were, I don't know, they were like, do you guys ever go to a ski resort and you ride in the singles line? Right. Your group breaks up and you move really fast because you go in the singles line, you get paired up with a another group that fits the four.

[Stefania Bell]

Or six person chair. Single rider. Single rider, move to the front of the lane. Lots of fun.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah. So that'll be a lot of Fun, Lot of fun live show stuff coming up. Go check all of that out in case you're interested in hanging out with us live. But right now we're going to dive into our quarterback tiers for 20, 25.

[Field Yates]

Let's do it, baby. Feel.

[Daniel Doppa]

Let's talk about this really quickly. You know, obviously we do rankings at espn. We always talk about that. But one of the things that we harp on is that rankings are a tool. But maybe tiers is a better way to look at breaking down positions.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, because like I think of it almost like if you were a lawyer who was hired to argue for Lamar Jackson as the best quarterback in fantasy football, you could do so this year. You could also find a lawyer that would make the case for Jaden Daniels or Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, maybe even Joe Burrow, perhaps somebody else outside of those five quarterbacks. But tears reflect players that we think have similar level value. That I'm not agonizing too much over the order of. I also want to make something very clear. At least this is philosophically how I go about making my player rankings each year is the way that these players are ranked in the preseason is essentially who is the likeliest player to finish number one overall at his respective position. There are players who I do think will have solid, steady floors and maybe a decent ceiling, but not the same level of ceiling that'll be reflected more as we get a little bit later into our tiers for the quarterbacks today. And maybe we're talking about some veterans that don't really run, but you know, they've got a handful of big games in them versus wild card players that perhaps we've never seen on an NFL field before, but have some unique traits that might give them a path, even if it's a very remote path to a top one or maybe more likely a top five or ten season. So when you're hearing me rank a player 19th, it means I think this is the 19th most likely quarterback to finish number one overall.

[Daniel Doppa]

Okay, so then we're going to go in field and I both have a list of tiers. Having done our rankings, we're going to see how similar and how different we are from. From each other. Field, do you want to veil unveil your tier one? This would be like S tier, like superstar tier. These are the number one quarterbacks in the game.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, I've got five quarterbacks in tier one. You can make a case that it's almost like four and a half. And we'll describe why in just a minute. Here. But there are five quarterbacks that I think have a real shot to finish as QB1 overall. If any of them do so, it won't be a surprise to me. Here we go in this order. Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. In the case of the first four, you're talking about quarterbacks that are elite dual threat players, right? Lamar Jackson is I think the greatest rushing quarterback in NFL history. Jaden Daniels has a chance, I think, to get into that territory of runner. He wasn't quite at Lamar's level last year, but not too far behind. Jalen Hurts is the best bet to run for 12 touchdowns in a season. Maybe not named Derrick Henry in the entire league, especially with the Tush push remaining around. Yep, sneaky important fantasy thing during the off season was the Tush push being allowed for at least one more year. If the Tush push doesn't exist, Jalen Hurts would still run for touchdowns, but he probably runs for fewer touchdowns. And Saquon probably. Saquon Barkley probably runs for more touchdowns. Agreed. Josh Allen, as we know he is the NFL's reigning MVP. He has been the highest scoring quarterback in 20 fantasy two out of the past three years. We've seen his rushing dip each of the past three seasons in terms of total of carries. But he's Josh Allen, right? I mean all of these guys, in the case of Lamar, Jaden and Josh, I think a reasonable expectation is close to 4,000 passing yards. Jalen, coming off of a season just under 3,000 passing yards, he could reach 4,000 as well. But to me those four guys because of their dual threat ability all have a clear cut case to be quarterback. 1 Joe Burrows in a different category because he is not going to run as much.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, but he's the same but different.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, he's just elite, right? His last three healthy seasons, remember just two years ago he missed seven games because of injury. But the last three healthy seasons, Joe has thrown for at least 4,475 passing yards and at least 34 passing touchdowns. He to me should be viewed as the NFL's favorite to be both the passing yardage leader and in passing touchdown leader. Defense is not going to be improved enough in my opinion in Cincinnati that they're going to start playing 2117 games. They're still going to need to win games as my shoes are squeaking and bothering Stefania. They're like 31, 29 type games. But yes, Joe Burrow to me belongs in this tier but he has a Different pathway than the other four.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah.

[Field Yates]

Anybody stand out that you guys like? I fundamentally disagree.

[Stefania Bell]

It's funny. Well, I think yesterday I said that Joe Burrow is on the edge for me because it's really hard to get past the. The lack of mobility. And it's not that he's not mobile, actually, I would, I would say he is very mobile. Like he's mobile within the pocket. And remarkably so. If you watched him in his early years when he was running for his life, often behind zero protection, that's what made him so special. It's also what made him get hurt. You know, he ended up getting tackled. That's how he tore his. Tore his acl, mcl. Every year Joe Burrow gives us a little bit of a heart attack because every year in training camp there's something. It was the appendix, it was the calf. And you never know how is he going to be during the season. But pretty remarkably, he's put together a string three of those seasons where he's played every single game or just about every single game. So there's a little concern with the injury history that there could be something there that could crop up. But as you mentioned, he's such a prolific passer.658 pass attempts, which is 68 more than any other quarterback. So even if it's not always the deep threat, he's. Even if he's not giving you yardage with his feet, if you're throwing the ball that much. And do we really have any reason to think that that will change?

[Field Yates]

Well, they have been the. If you look at. It's called neutral pass rate, which is basically when it's not like third and 12 when you expect a team to pass or second and one you. When you expect a team to run. The Bengals have the pass heaviest offense in the NFL. They have an aggressive pass attack, partly.

[Stefania Bell]

Because they have their running back.

[Field Yates]

Yep. And they have a thin backfield. As we know, it's Chase Brown and then some question marks beyond that. But Joe I think belongs in this tier. Let me throw something your way, Daniel. Yeah. And I imagine the conceit of the tiers is that like these guys are all pretty closely ranked. I have Josh Allen fourth. Is that crazy? Not crazy. Sort of crazy. Where do you land on that one?

[Daniel Doppa]

It's a tier that's lower than where I would have. I would have him second.

[Field Yates]

Okay.

[Daniel Doppa]

And this is the debate because over the last five seasons he's either finished as QB1 or QB2. He has such an elite rushing floor. He's second in the NFL over the last three years in rushing touchdowns. He's not going to get Jalen hurts level like rushing machine volume at the goal line, but he certainly has the ability to get in there. And by the way, last year, even with with James Cook basically leading the NFL and touchdowns, Josh Allen still had double digit rushing time.

[Stefania Bell]

I also think if you look at last year, Josh Allen changed his running a little bit because he hurt himself.

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

There was that dive that he made. It was either into the end zone or near the end zone and he ended up hurting his arm and you could tell that it bothered him sometimes and you know he'd be shaking. It didn't stop him. Josh Allen is incredibly dur and plays through things that would bother most people, but it did change how aggressive he was with running. And so I think if that's not there, you actually are going to see an increase. He's not afraid to run at the goal line. Like I actually think his goal line rushing could be stronger this year.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yes.

[Field Yates]

That's where I'm not sure. And again we're nitpicking here so I'm not going to like passionately say you're wrong. Stefania. My, my one. My curiosity is as he gets a little older.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

And I know that Josh is far from old. Right. But like he is, this is not rookie Josh Allen anymore.

[Daniel Doppa]

He's.

[Field Yates]

He's on his third contract now.

[Daniel Doppa]

Right.

[Field Yates]

So he's probably what, year seven or eight now for Josh Allen. Sean McDermott's talks about this plenty in the past. You got to be smart with Josh. And because they have this incredible offensive line that goes six deep and they have this running back in James Cook that if they get this contract sealed up.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

They certainly trust to do the dirty work at the goal line. That the way that Josh Allen can go from QB2 to QB4 is if the goal line rushing attempts or the overall rushing attempts dropped by like 8 or 10%. Right. I'm not talking about Josh Allen going from 100 carries to 50 carries. Right. We have seen the carries go down from 2023. Excuse me, 2022 to 2023 to 2024. Nitpicking here. I just think Jaden Daniels supernova talent going to get better in year two. Better weapons around him once Terry McLaurin gets locked in. And then, you know, Jalen Hurts just feels like. And some of the discourse around Jalen Hurts is just flat out silly in the real world right now. But just he just kind of, kind of do It. Yeah, like assuming he stays healthy, is Jalen Hurts going to rush for any fewer than 10 rushing touchdowns next year? They're going to get to the goal line and they're going to run the Tush push.

[Daniel Doppa]

He has had at least 10 touchdowns in four straight seasons. I don't see any reason with them not changing the Tush push why that would change now. Yeah, I think when I look at this, my tier is, is very similar to yours. We have the exact same five players field. My tier is Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, and then Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow was almost in like a tier 1A or 1B, I guess because he's the only non rushing elite premium quarterback. But I will say this. I thought long and hard about whether I wanted to put Jaden Daniels above Jalen Hurts. Do I really? And again that we're nitpicking here, right? The idea of a rookie that just had the most rushing yards ever by a rookie. If you said which one of these guys Jalen Hurts or Jaden Daniels has a better chance to throw for 4,000 yards this year?

[Field Yates]

Jaden.

[Daniel Doppa]

Jaden Daniels. Which one has a better chance to throw 30, 30 to 35 touchdowns?

[Field Yates]

Jaden again.

[Daniel Doppa]

Okay, which one has a better chance for double digit rushing touchdowns?

[Field Yates]

That's Jalen Hurts for sure.

[Daniel Doppa]

Okay, so then which one is going to run for 800 or more rushing yards? I think that's more likely Jaden Daniels than Jalen Hurts. And Jalen Hurts is going to have plenty of reasons for upside. But for me, that second year potential ascent, that sophomore season of him being able to get better, I think puts him there.

[Field Yates]

I had him second. You had him. You said third. Third for Jada. So again, we're, we're, we're splitting hairs here. One thing I guess we should have probably emphasized a little more is Lamar. Give me one for all three of us.

[Daniel Doppa]

What do you. Yeah, what do you have to say? Lamar Jackson threw for over 4,000 yards, 41 touchdowns and only four interceptions. That sounds like an Aaron Rodgers line. And then he also added what, almost 900 yards on the ground.

[Field Yates]

Correct. Who is the. So he's the only guy in this list that we have talked about who has a really strong chance every year to lead the NFL in passing touchdowns.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

And lead all quarterbacks in rushing yards. So Lamar, had you already hear me reference this stat a decent amount throughout the show. He had 14 games last year with 20 or more fantasy points. 14 with 20 or more.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's incredible.

[Field Yates]

So you're chasing upside. Lamar Jackson has as much upside as any quarterback and perhaps any player not named Jamar Chase and Bijan Robinson in the league.

[Daniel Doppa]

Good for you. Good for you. All right, I'm going to ask this question, then we're going to move on to the next tier. Given what you just said, do you feel like you need to draft one of these five quarterbacks? Given how good their ceiling is or in fantasy drafts, do you feel like the position is deep enough that if they fall, Sure, I won't say no to these guys, but I don't feel like I need to grab one.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, these are around three to four targets for me. Rounds three and rounds four target. That's where they're going. In terms of adp. I mentioned this during our mock yesterday. One of the things I have found myself really enjoying is being at the back end of this tier of quarterbacks because it is seen differently by each person which of these five is the best. And if you see. And again, this is a totally defensible pick. If Josh Allen is QB1 and you get Lamar Jackson 11 picks later, that's an incredible value. Right. Joe Burrow actually dropped a decent amount in the mock yesterday. So there are other quarterbacks that I like. But if you're. If you're in favor of paying the premium here, I don't think. I think it's justifiable because I have a hard time, barring health, which is a caveat we'll use a million times this year, seeing these guys not perform at a very high level.

[Daniel Doppa]

Agreed. All right, then let's talk the A tier. So that's the S tier, the A tier of the quarterbacks field. You and I also, I think, see it pretty similarly here.

[Field Yates]

Here we go. We didn't even trade notes before this, but here is my A tier/tier2 quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Brock Purdy. Dad. Brock Purdy, that's right. Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray and Dak Prescott. And I think where these guys are different from the next tier is, and we'll get into the next tier in just a little bit, is that there is established upside that we saw either last year or prior season with these players. And there are reasons to believe that that upside is repeatable this year. So we can go through them. Like Baker and Bo Nix were actually two of my favorite targets in the mock draft project. Because what we're seeing, and this is why tears matter to me, is while I have Joe Burrow fifth and Baker Mayfield six, which would suggest they're close in value. They're going way far apart in some of our mock drafts. On top of that, there are people that I feel very strongly about. Patrick Mahomes. We'll talk about him in just a moment. So there are times where I was getting Baker Mayfield as quarterback eight or quarterback nine going in like rounds nine or 10. Love the value here. He had 10 games with 20 or more fantasy points last year. They're loaded is Tampa. They are loaded with pass catchers. And despite the fact that they had a great rushing attack last year, Baker Mayfield still put up monster numbers. Probably the two biggest concerns with Baker are as follows. One, he's only had one monster season where the guys ahead of him, some of the guys behind him have had multiple monster seasons. Two, Tampa Bay ain't going to be that bad on defense again this year. They played so many shootout games, they had no pass rush and they had no cover corners last year. Both of those areas on paper look better this year. That might reduce the upside a little bit, but Baker's a stud. A touch, just a touch of rushing upside, but a very fantasy friendly offense.

[Daniel Doppa]

I will just say this. You talked about the gap. Joe Burrow, ADP right now is 36.1, round four. Baker Mayfield's ADP is 64.9.

[Field Yates]

Okay, so you're talking about a three round eight or nine. So that's ADP. So they're probably, you know, and that.

[Daniel Doppa]

Can change too as we get deeper into draft season as well.

[Field Yates]

Overestimating how, how far he had.

[Daniel Doppa]

I guess I'm curious. The only thing that gives me pause and it's, and it's only slight pause here because I'm with you on Baker Mayfield. I think yesterday on the show you said Baker had 10 games of 20 or more fantasy points. Is that right?

[Field Yates]

10 or more? Yeah, 10 with 20 more. Excuse me.

[Daniel Doppa]

Which is legit. I mean, if you can, if you know that you can lock up 10, 20 point games from a guy that you're drafting after those first five elite guys, I think that's a really high, a really high floor for you to be able to have. Mike Evans is old. Can we just say it? He is.

[Field Yates]

But I don't. I'm not worried about that.

[Daniel Doppa]

You're not worried about that?

[Field Yates]

You have so much depth.

[Daniel Doppa]

Okay. And you're not worried about Chris Godwin and what's going to happen there?

[Field Yates]

Well, I think those things can be mutually exclusive. Right. Like Chris Godwin might not be ready to begin the season, but I still think they have A really talented wide receiver room.

[Daniel Doppa]

They. I agree with you. I guess it's just the idea that my, my silly brain is like, boy, they got a, they got a guy who eventually is going to. And we watched him. Unfortunately he got hurt, you know, banged up last year. And Mike Evans, he did without him last year though. And so if we do Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's hurt, then they, you know, drafted a rookie that they're going to have to spin up and get ready in this offense. They no longer have Liam Cohen, who was the offensive coordinator now in Jacksonville. It's. These are reasons why rather than having him in that higher tier, to me he falls in this A tier for me as well. I don't mean that as a negative. It's just the reasons why he's not higher for me on that list.

[Stefania Bell]

I will say in Baker's def, what he did last year with a rotation of receivers that we could not name, you know, on from one Sunday to the next was pretty remarkable. Like fairly consistent in terms of sorry. And Baker loves to sling it. Like, I think that even to your point defense is better. I don't see that change. It gets like. I don't see him getting conservative all of a sudden. So volume wise, I don't know that it changes that much. I feel like this group. It's funny because although, you know, I don't rank on the site, I have these tiers for myself and I kind of ended up in the same spot as you guys in many places. I probably have Dak. Overall, when you look at our rankings, I would have Dak slightly higher to make it into this tier. I think by, you know, some of our rankings, people have him lower. They don't trust him. They also don't see the rushing side of him as much anymore because ever since his ankle surgery he really hasn't run as much. But I think that is going to be a prolific passing offense this year. And Dak had the hamstring tear last year, so that's people's last memory. Lost half a season. He is strong, he is in great shape and I think with the receiver core that he has, we're going to see a lot more passing volume.

[Daniel Doppa]

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[Field Yates]

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[Stefania Bell]

Increase from Dak.

[Field Yates]

Yep, Daniel and I both had him in this tier so we're all aligned here. An elite wide receiver duo. 30 or more passing touchdowns for Dakota and 4,449 to be specific. Or more passing yards in each of his last three healthy seasons. So obviously I'm tossing away last year when he hardly played. I'll just rip through these and you guys can tell me what's interesting for these names here in Tier 2. Bo Nix, who had seven games with 20 or more fantasy points as a rookie last year he had 92 carries. That's a good number right there. Now I think that Sean Payton wants his quarterbacks to operate from the pocket. That 92 number might drop a little bit, but he's a threat with his legs on scrambles. That matters to me. 33 total touchdowns last year and just this year to bump.

[Daniel Doppa]

Can I say. And I. Because I'm with you. We have him both.

[Field Yates]

This is what you should say.

[Daniel Doppa]

The idea is from. For me, I looked at him, it's from weeks five to 18. I mean, you take away that first month of the season where he's getting acclimated, he ended up being quarterback five from five to 18. And so I'm pumped to see what.

[Stefania Bell]

It can be of last year it was Bonick.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, yeah, he was great. Brock Pury, seven games with 20 or more fantasy points. Obviously a much reshaped offense. However, the two most important players in my opinion to that offensive success, George kittle and Christian McCaffrey. Both back, both healthy right now. We'll talk a lot about Christian McCaffrey.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yes, we will.

[Field Yates]

I just put up a tweet last night just to test the. I mean I wasn't testing the waters, but it turned out I tested the waters. People are fired up about Christian McCaffrey after last season. I have some thoughts. We'll dive into on the running back tiers tomorrow.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, we will.

[Field Yates]

Most interesting player in this tier is Patrick Mahomes. And let's agreed not beat around the bush here, right? He's the best player on the planet. He is a three time super bowl champion, NFL mvp, yada yada yada, once for a while in elite fantasy quarterback. Part of what we're doing here is obviously projecting forward, but we're using the past to project forward. Over the past two seasons, Patrick Mahomes has played a lot of football. In each of those two regular seasons, how many? 20 or more fantasy points did he have fantasy point games did he have.

[Daniel Doppa]

In each of the last seasons?

[Field Yates]

Same number in 2023 and 2024?

[Daniel Doppa]

I would guess like 3, 4.

[Stefania Bell]

4. I was gonna say in both seasons combined, I was, I was gonna say five.

[Daniel Doppa]

So why like what happened that we saw that from those two seasons and I'm with you, Phil, that now all of a sudden we're like, you know what though? I'm gonna buy it this year.

[Field Yates]

Well, so I think there's.

[Stefania Bell]

Let's be honest, this is Patrick Mahomes right.

[Field Yates]

You're a little afraid. Like of course he has it in him to go nuclear. He's again we've seen player on the planet. The offensive line is reconstructed and looks promising on paper even though the loss of Joe Tunney is massive. But to me, I think the most obvious reason is that it looks like his best receiving core in a while.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yes, it does.

[Field Yates]

We feel good about Xavier Worthy. We talked about Rasheed Rice. If. Let's just say when he's on the field a trio of Rasheed Rice, Xavier Worthy, healthy Hollywood Brown plus Jalen Royals or third round pick feels a whole lot better.

[Daniel Doppa]

Kelsey as a safety blanket there, a lot better.

[Stefania Bell]

They had no games last year where all of them were on the field at the same time because Hollywood Brown got hurt in preseason week one. So they never, they brought him in on a one year deal for last year to have that receiving core and they were like okay, we've got it. And then they didn't. So there was some plug and play around that position. I agree with you. I think the receiving core is going to be better than it's been in a while. That's going to be more consistent. They're going to have practice together. I think that changes things. I don't, you know, Travis Kelce is still going to be his safety blanket, his, his outlet. But I, I think that Travis Kelce's star, you know, is not as shiny as it was back in the early fantasy days.

[Field Yates]

He's on Instagram.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, that's right.

[Stefania Bell]

Let me be clear.

[Daniel Doppa]

In pop culture.

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

Fantasy star like his, his non football.

[Daniel Doppa]

Star photo that you were talking about with Dude.

[Field Yates]

So he hard launched with Taylor Swift on Instagram.

[Stefania Bell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Field Yates]

And I saw, you know, on Instagram they have the likes, they have the comments and they have the shares.

[Stefania Bell]

Right.

[Field Yates]

Like a day after it went live, it had like a half a million shares.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's crazy.

[Field Yates]

Respect.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's crazy.

[Field Yates]

Dude. Like that's, that's gotta be.

[Stefania Bell]

He's living, he's living not only his best life, but the best life for a lot.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, for a lot of. He's living a lot of people's best.

[Stefania Bell]

But my, my point being you can't. Number one, we've seen Patrick Mahomes do it before. You can't count him out. I agree with you about the best receiving core we've seen in a while. Run game might be a little more suspect. I. And they're going to have to change some things up. How many games did they win last year by a Hair. You know, I think they're going to be there. I think they know they can't do that again.

[Field Yates]

Right. Well, they're talking.

[Daniel Doppa]

The answer is too many.

[Field Yates]

I actually think that thing is that like, I think last year they kind of played offense how they were able to because the defense was so good.

[Stefania Bell]

Right.

[Field Yates]

Not that they didn't play anybody last year. They did play formidable opponents, but I think all six of their division games this year are credible challenges. The Chargers and Broncos are going to be good. The Raiders should be much improved. Like, they just need to score more because it's just going to be hard to grind it. They were grinding out games last year.

[Daniel Doppa]

Their offense was. I mean, they lost Rasheed Rice early in the season. They lost Hollywood Brown at the beginning of the season. Isaiah Pacheco was out. Like they didn't have the running game that they were supposed to have. Obviously you saw Travis Kelce like he was still out there. And at the end of the season he looked more like vintage Travis Kelce. But in the middle of the season, he was having some.

[Field Yates]

I expect that from Travis Kelce, by the way, for as long as he continues to play. Agreed that they'll. They'll rely on him when they need him to be big.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

And if that means that the months of September and October are pedestrian, so be it. Because he's accomplished everything he needs to accomplish to cement his legacy, the Chiefs are focused on getting a fourth ring. The only player I didn't mention from there is Kyler Murray. You know, he's just check Jekyll and Hyde. Right. He had seven games last year with 20 or more fantasy points. You know, the upside, it's really good.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

But he had more games last year in which he had one or zero touchdowns, then two or more touchdowns.

[Stefania Bell]

So in order for Kyler Murray to look like Kyler Murray, we need more Kyler Murray. Marvin Harrison Jr. Connections.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah.

[Field Yates]

And what do you. I think we need healthier. Like, I think like, remember there was a time where what we're talking about with Jaden Daniels, we were thinking about for Kyler, like the kind of guy who could lead the league and. Or come close to like 4000 passing yards and 30 passing touchdowns and 8 rushing touchdowns plus 750 yards. Feels like we're not there right now with Kyler. I think he has it within him. But there's some risk here because I think the jury is out as to what level of real life quarterback he still is. He's a fascinating, fascinating decision for the team. To make it's probably going to be two years from now because the ceiling for this, for this roster will be dictated by what they get out of Kyler Murray.

[Daniel Doppa]

Kyler's. And you said this like, it's so tough because I think he's a great runner, but I don't think he's an elite runner. He's not like the rest of the guys. Right. And also, he's still never thrown 4,000 yards in a season. So that's part of why, you know, he's in this tier rather than in spite of all the intangibles that he has, he's down here from this tier field. Knowing the ADP is kind of all over the place because you get a little bit deeper. Do you guys have a quarterback in this, a tier that you prefer targeting or that you like more than any of the rest?

[Field Yates]

I like them all. Well, because the, like, they're your children. Like, kind of like the sweet spot, right? Is that, like, what's Dax ADP right now? Do you have it pulled up?

[Daniel Doppa]

I do have it pulled up. DAX ADP right now is crazy low. It is 118.

[Field Yates]

All right, so that's the back end of the 12th round again, it's early still, so ADP data will be updated. But like, the depth, the difference between Dak, who I think has a top five upside, versus Joe Burrow, who another quarterback doesn't run much but has elite passing yards and elite passing touchdowns, is nine rounds.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

Eight rounds like that. Again, I clearly, obviously prefer Joe Burrow. I have no issue with paying the price for Joe Burrow, but there's a world in which Dak has a Joe Burrow light season, and you're getting a gigantic discount.

[Stefania Bell]

I think part of the reason this tier is so appealing is because it's sort of the unsexy nature of the group. Right. People. People aren't going into their drafts going, I am targeting Brock Purdy. But yet. Well, but my point is that he. It's not a name that people are going like the superstars. Right. But then the next grouping here, most people are not targeting. A lot of people are kind of don't know what to do with Patrick Mahomes, even though there's name recognition. But most people feel like they're going to be judged poorly. I would venture to say, if they're like, I got Brock, that's my number one quarterback in the draft. And yet this is how we feel about what his potential is because of the fantasy upside.

[Daniel Doppa]

Patrick Mahomes ADP is 53.2 in the same tier. Like I said, Dak Prescott's ADP is 118. So you're talking like a 60 spot difference. If you want to wait. All right, let's talk really quickly about the B tier then field. This is where things get a little dicier for me at least I don't look at these guys as the same. I get nervous and I almost think I might draft two quarterbacks if I'm going to start targeting people in this B tier.

[Field Yates]

That's fair. But there is a ton of upside from the players in this tier. The question is how many of them are likely to do it week in and week out. Let me give you my question. Five players that made my tier three start with Caleb Williams of the Chicago Bears, who during a season in which it was all bad for the Chicago Bears offense last year, he still had six games with 20 or more fantasy points. They now have a better offensive line. Romo Dunze should be better in year two. They drafted Colston Loveland 10th overall and Ben Johnson is here, right? Ben Johnson is inarguably, you know, the best play caller in the NFL for the past two seasons. He gives me tremendous confidence in the long term outlook for Caleb Williams. The question will be, does it happen in a hurry for Caleb or not? But he's a stud. Justin Herbert. Next. Drake May, Justin Fields, Jared Goff. I'll address them each individually here.

[Daniel Doppa]

Can I say with Kayla Williams, you mentioned it, and this is obviously I'm a Lions fan. I got to watch a lot of Ben Johnson led offenses and I realized these rosters are different, right? So like, you know, they're not, you know, apples to apples necessarily. But last year, Ben Johnson led this Detroit Lions offense to the best scoring offense in the league, 33.2 points per game. They were the first offense ever in NFL history to have four different players with a thousand yards from scrimmage. It just feels like Ben is a wizard when it comes to finding ways to get guys involved that need to have the ball in their hands.

[Field Yates]

The dude had his quarterback trip on a play last year to make the defense think that he had fallen over one of his offensive lineman's feet.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's so good.

[Stefania Bell]

Only Jared Goff can execute that.

[Daniel Doppa]

And it's. This isn't just about Caleb Williams. It's about the idea that he can put these other guys in position for Caleb Williams to take advantage of it as well. So I'm with you. I think Ben Johnson is in a great spot to help this Bears offense and specifically Caleb take another step.

[Field Yates]

Justin Herbert's an interesting one and Mike would probably tell. And I'm sure Mike has a pool. Like he doesn't. He hasn't had a bunch of monster season long finishes. Like I don't know this offhand. I'm not Mike Clay. But I want to say he hasn't had like even a top five fantasy finish, maybe even like a top eight fantasy finish for a full season for Justin Herbert. But we did see something in the late second half of last year that was encouraging. He had five games of 20 or more fantasy points to Justin Herbert. That number is not great. But all five of those came from weeks eight to 18. That's 10 games. So half of his final 10 games 20 or more fantasy points. The Chargers have talked about how like we. The reason like Jim Harbaugh had this great quote that only Jim Harbaugh could do. I'm gonna save my impression.

[Daniel Doppa]

Dang it.

[Field Yates]

I was gonna say bring it out. It's. It's. I'm still workshopping.

[Daniel Doppa]

Okay. All right.

[Field Yates]

Workshop. But he's like basically like Justin's biggest drawback throughout his career has been the people around him. Like we need to be better for Justin. He's super talented. He is a little bit of a running threat. The receivers like Lad McConkey should be better. They briefly had Mike Williams back but shout out to Mike Williams in retirement. They drafted a couple of receivers. I like Trey Harris had Ole Miss, Keandre Lambert, Smith out of Auburn via formerly of Penn State. Anyways, Herbert's an interesting one. Like you may not. He may be a pass for some people because his career history suggests that the season long upside is lower than these guys. The devil you do know versus devil you don't know. But I could see seven or eight 20 plus fantasy point games this year.

[Daniel Doppa]

No problem for Joe 100%. You mentioned from week eight on. That's when he had all those 20 point games. From week eight on he was quarterback six averaging 19.5 fantasy points.

[Field Yates]

Field really good.

[Daniel Doppa]

You asked at what he did rookie season he was quarterback 10 through for. I mean it was. He still had 332 fantasy points, threw for 4300 yards and 31 touchdowns as a rookie. By the way, his second year he was QB5 through for 5000 yards. He has a QB9.

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Daniel Doppa]

So he's one top five finish. One finish inside the top nine is what he has.

[Field Yates]

So that would be so again a little bit less.

[Daniel Doppa]

He's thrown for 5,000 yards twice in a season.

[Field Yates]

So again, the conceit for me is like, who has a chance to like, be that top finishing quarterback or even crack the top five? Next up would be Drake May, who's very much an unknown in the sense that he didn't start the full season last year for the Patriots. Didn't have a bunch of monster fantasy games. But the traits are really intriguing for Drake May. He average 7.8 yards per rush. That's a ridiculous number. That's like best in the NFL type number. The Patriots did not, and this is a stat that like, blows your mind, did not allow Drake May to have one designed run until week 16 of last year.

[Daniel Doppa]

I remember.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, this is like having the Ferrari and using it for nothing, leaving it in the garage. Right. You put the Ferrari in the garage. It was coaching malpractice of the highest order. Patriots obviously made a huge wholesale change at coaching this offseason. Drake May's got better receivers around him. He's a premier athlete. Josh McDaniels is an upgraded offensive coordinator. There's some upside here to me.

[Daniel Doppa]

Do you feel like the addition. So we know that they added Stefan Diggs, right? We know he's a veteran, someone that can come in and be, you know, the number one wide receiver there. They had a Kyle Williams in the draft. How do you feel about him? Because I know that he just needs guys to be able to get the ball to.

[Field Yates]

Yeah. The Patriots were the least explosive team in the NFL last year. Like, like by, by. If you use 20 plus yard plays. They finished dead last in that category last year. They have like every yard the Patriots gained last year was, was, was earned and grind it out right for it. The easy button is now available for the Patriots. Kyle Williams, incredibly fast receiver, 4, 4, 2, coming out of Washington state. Had a dominant last six games of his college career. Super explosive. The Patriots just every once in a while, like every team does, but especially when you finish dead last in this category a year ago, need a player that sometimes the play that you dial up to get 12 yards goes for 52 yards. And they, I think, accomplished that not just with Kyle Williams, but also Trayvon Henderson. Fascinating player. We'll discuss in the running back tier.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yes, we will. All right, who else you got here?

[Field Yates]

Justin Fields.

[Stefania Bell]

Who?

[Field Yates]

Justin Fields is more known obviously than Caleb Williams and Drake May. The thing with Justin is I call. I think of him as like a pocket player, right? Where not playing from the pocket, but like there's going to be a pocket of games where Justin Fields Completely destroys. He had that stretch two years ago with the Bears where he was the highest scoring player in fantasy for a month. We saw him last year in six starts. Two starts with 20 or more fantasy points. So he's not this like every single week guarantee. He's a great running quarterback though. Elite running quarterback. Great athlete at five rushing touchdowns and six starts last season. Did Justin Fields questions I think are fair about how prolific of a passer he can be, but there's going to be, I think by the end of the season, if he starts 17 games, he'll rank probably borderline top 10 in 20 plus fantasy point games. The floor is just lower for Justin because he's not the same level passer as a lot of the guys ahead of him.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, that elite rushing upside can help carry some of the volatility in his passing game. Right. But there are games where he's not going to have that elite rushing upside. That's not just going to happen for 17 games in a row. So he has never topped 2600 passing yards or 17 touchdowns. I just want to see him get to 20 touchdowns this year. I want to see him be able to break that. And I feel like we can do this with Garrett Wilson as his wide receiver.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, Mike does not project him for 20.

[Daniel Doppa]

He does not for 17.

[Stefania Bell]

Here's the thing, I, I think we could get rushing touchdowns out of Justin Fields as well. And I think that might be where he holds, you know, some surprise by. I don't. He's like, you know, the, the gift that you don't really know when you're unboxing it, what exactly you're going to get because you know from his physical traits and what we've seen from his athleticism that he has the potential to really be that dual threat for you. But we haven't seen him be able to consistently deliver from the position. And to be fair to him, if you look at his early career, some of it was the circumstances he was in. We talk about these guys when they get drafted and if they're not in a great setting that helps prop them up. You try to put the square peg in a round hole. Are they in a system that fits for them? I would think that we haven't really unlocked what Justin Field's potential can be and I hope that the jets are able to do it.

[Field Yates]

Couple final. I want you to take this Tano, like just Jared Goff. This is probably higher than I would guess where Mike is, but I mean assuming the offense treads similar to water Like I don't know, man. Like you guys are as good a vet to score 35 points a game as anybody.

[Daniel Doppa]

Jared Goff's last three seasons he finishes QB10, QB7 and QB6 in spite of the fact he doesn't run the football. Did Jared Goff have more passing touchdowns or rush attempts last year, do you think?

[Field Yates]

Well, def. Definitely more passing touchdowns than rush attempts. How about rush yards?

[Daniel Doppa]

He had 37 passing touchdowns and 35 rush attempts.

[Field Yates]

I'm surprised. I honestly would not be. I would guess that of those 35 rushing attempts, 25 or more are kneel downs.

[Daniel Doppa]

I would probably think that's fair. I think that's fair.

[Field Yates]

Does that counts the rushing touchdown? Yes.

[Daniel Doppa]

A rushing attempt?

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Daniel Doppa]

He only had I think 50 some rushing yards. He's literally not going to make something happen. In our Michigan men chat, our buddy Kurt always comes after Mike for being. Whenever Jared Goff has a rush for like 4 yards, he's like, look at the wheels on that guy. Mike Clay doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Field Yates]

The problem is just with Jared as we know that the bad weeks are, he's more vulnerable because if he goes for a week in which you know, he throws for and it's possible with the rushing attack that he throws for 208 yards and one touchdown.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

It's going to be. It's going to hurt a 12 fantasy point game because he's going to rush for nothing.

[Daniel Doppa]

Seven games with at least 20 fantasy points, but six games under 12.

[Field Yates]

That's the problem, right. That's the hard part.

[Daniel Doppa]

You need a sports. If I had a sports almanac from like 1950 to 2000, let's say it's back to the Future. You just draft both Justin Fields and Jared Goff and you just, you just play the right matchups. If only it worked that easily. Right?

[Field Yates]

That, that's. It's not how fantasy football works.

[Stefania Bell]

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[Field Yates]

Intriguing tier here. I think some upside guys just quickly I'll ask both of you like snapshot Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Drake made Justin Fields, Jared Goff. Is there one guy in there that you're just like the nuclear potential is really good. Like totally takes off and skies to the moon.

[Stefania Bell]

I just don't know that I have the confidence in which one it's going to be that. I see this in the ones I just mentioned what I thought about Justin Fields, but I do think it's Caleb Williams. My concern, my concern is if Caleb Williams starts overthinking it I get a little concerned about some of the targets that we've heard about 70% past completion. I don't want him thinking about, am I way off that number? Because I'm having a crazy day. We all know what he did at USC when he basically had to be the hero. And we know that he's trying to now change his stripes in the NFL. We know he has the athletic talent to do it, but during that adaptation, there can be, and there will be growing pains. It worries me like, he is a cerebral guy, very cerebral. And does he overthink it in certain situations that ends up hurting him because the athlete in him, we know what he can do. So I hope all of those things merge together in a way that allows him to put on display the talent that I believe he has.

[Daniel Doppa]

I would, for what it's worth. Yeah, I would say Caleb Williams 1 and then Justin Herbert 2. I think part of it for me with Caleb Williams, other than all the stuff we've talked about, I don't want to belabor it again, but he plays in the best division in football. If I said to you that Caleb Williams was playing behind on a. In a decent number of games, at least in the NFC north, he's going to have at least six games in which he's. He's going to be playing against three really unbelievable teams in which they may have to throw the ball a ton to be able to keep up. I don't care what it looks like. This is one of those things where, like, he can maybe not look like a good quarterback. We watched Blake Bortles do this thing over and over. If he's down and just needs to throw the football, he has a plethora of weapons this year to be able to get the football to. So I think Caleb Williams is the one that feels like if one of them were just to like to the moon, he's the guy I think has the best chance to do that.

[Field Yates]

I think there's a chance like that.

[Daniel Doppa]

There's some volatility there too, though.

[Field Yates]

For sure. Caleb and Drake are the two. And maybe it's because when you're young and you haven't had as many chances to fail or just be okay, we think there is more opportunity to be great. Let's go to tier four though, right?

[Daniel Doppa]

Can I. Last question.

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Daniel Doppa]

Am I putting too much stock in Justin Herbert getting a guy like Trey Harris? Because I like Trey Harris as a big guy.

[Field Yates]

Yeah, I like Trey Harris too. I. I just like Justin Herbert the most.

[Daniel Doppa]

Right.

[Field Yates]

Like, okay, if you're asking who's the best quarterback out of these five. With due respect, Jared Goff. I think it's Justin Herbert. Yeah, he's, you know, and he has different. He has fantasy friendlier elements than Jared Goff does. Specifically, his legs are. They're not a designed weapon all the time. And Omarion Hampton's gonna feast.

[Stefania Bell]

We did see him get a little crazy late last year and he was using his legs a lot and we were. Remember, everybody was talking like, oh, look at Justin Herbert running. And people forget he's a great athlete. But he also has had a number of lower extremity injuries that have capped what his ability could be with his legs.

[Field Yates]

Tier 4 for me is interesting because I think all of these guys could make me look dumb for having them ranked too low. But there are some mitigating factors and they're also a chance that each of these guys is not good enough to be a starter in a 10 or 12 team league.

[Daniel Doppa]

Sure.

[Field Yates]

First player for me in tier four is JJ McCarthy. He. You could make a case for him to be in tier three. We've literally never seen him throw a pass in an NFL regular season game. That's why he.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's why he's in two or four for me and not two or three.

[Field Yates]

Trevor Lawrence, C.J. stroud, Jordan Love, Cam Ward and Bryce Young. So I'm just going to go through these in the order in which I just read them. So. Trevor Lawrence finished nine games last year. He finished nine. He had under because he ended up getting hurt and of course missed the rest of the season. In the 10th game, he had under 200 yards in five of those nine games and he only had 26 rushes in nine games. So he's not really a runner. And he didn't throw a bunch. He didn't throw nearly prolifically. Is that right? Whatever.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, that sounds. I mean, because he, you know, his pass catchers also were banged up and he was just playing with.

[Field Yates]

Now it's. I am. Here's the confidence that I have in Trevor Lawrence. The scheme should be better. Head coach, as we know, Liam Cohen is unafraid to be very, very aggressive. And Brian Thomas Jr. And Travis Hunter, he's on the field is pretty freaking fun. And Diami Brown, who they added, I think they have a lot of confidence. It would not overlook that signing there. So Trevor's got a pathway to some upside, but there's some downside here too. CJ Stroud? No idea. I'm just going to throw my hands up in the air. He had how many games last year with 20 or more fantasy.

[Daniel Doppa]

Don't do this to me.

[Stefania Bell]

I know whatever it was, it was lower than what I anticipated because I thought there was going to be a rise in the second year and he was going to put everything all the naysayers.

[Field Yates]

He had won one game with 20 or more fantasy points.

[Stefania Bell]

I'm not totally surprised.

[Field Yates]

I mean but if you told me that going into last year, oh my.

[Stefania Bell]

God, you know, from what we anticipated, not surprised to hear you say there.

[Daniel Doppa]

Was only one his pass catchers are better this year.

[Field Yates]

They are.

[Daniel Doppa]

Added Christian Kirk. Added Jaden Higgins.

[Field Yates]

Maybe it depends on how you look at it. Like because the beginning of last season, the trio of Nico Collins plus plus Dankdale was elite and he wasn't performing. Now each of those guys got hurt oftentimes early or in the case of each of them, it was relatively early, I should say.

[Stefania Bell]

Yeah. And then they were out down two of them for the entire for the rest of the season.

[Field Yates]

So I, I don't know what to make of the player.

[Daniel Doppa]

That offensive line better this year?

[Field Yates]

I don't think so. I think it's at least different, but.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, different but not.

[Field Yates]

Don't confuse activity with achievement, right? Correct. So I don't know what to make.

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[Field Yates]

That's John Wooden way back in the day. Jordan Love, three games with 20 plus fantasy points. Now he has shown something. He two years ago was a capable fantasy football quarterback. So this one could look way too low. Another player where I think the coach desires for him to play within the pocket like that would be the desire for how Matt LaFleur's offense operates.

[Stefania Bell]

I wonder, what if he had not hurt his knee at the very beginning the season. It was in Brazil, week one, and I think that changed. I mean, an MCL sprain if you never had, even though he came back decently quickly, that feeling when you're trying to plant and throw and the lack of confidence and worry about taking hits again, it changed the way he played. Like, I don't think as we recap his season, people may forget that he had that injury early on. I think it changed how he played, and I think it impacted why we're thinking the way we are. I. I think you could see a different version of Jordan Love.

[Field Yates]

Yep. So this underscores the point that there's good quarterback depth this year.

[Daniel Doppa]

You said he was. He had a really good season two years ago. He was quarterback five that year. When that happened, he had, I think over 230 or 250 rushing yards. Are you worried that if they want him to play in the pocket, that that limits obviously, the ceiling that we're talking about?

[Field Yates]

I think they just. The offense has so many players that they are designing. Like, think about how many Jaden Reed, just like esque players.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah.

[Field Yates]

Like push passes. Right. And then obviously in the goal line, it's going to be the Josh Jacobs show. He was so good last year, and it's going to be Josh Jacobs. Like, Jordan Love may have a quarterback rushing, like a quarterback sneak for a touchdown this year, but I'd be surprised if it was any more than that. Cam Ward is next up. This is a magical talent. This guy was number one pick in the draft. He has some really legit skills.

[Stefania Bell]

Where'd he go to school?

[Field Yates]

He went to the U. The incarnate word, and also Washington State. But he obviously had a remarkable final season.

[Stefania Bell]

We were just talking about his last year.

[Field Yates]

Yeah. The important year.

[Daniel Doppa]

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[Field Yates]

Yes. So Cam very good athlete. What we haven't seen or what we didn't see. Excuse me. At Miami, was Cam tapped into with his legs as a design runner very much, I remind people. This oftentimes though, is if you're Miami and you're putting up 40 points a game with Cam Ward largely just dropping back, why would you bother running him? It makes him vulnerable to injury and you're already scoring 40 points a game. There's more to tap into, but it's not a great situation he's walking into. In Tennessee, the skill players not named Calvin Ridley are very, very young, especially at wide receiver. Tony Pollard had a good year last year. Magical talent. But, you know, we saw it with Caleb Williams and Drake, maybe, excuse me, last year. Just because you're super talented doesn't always mean that, like, boom, games are a guarantee early.

[Stefania Bell]

You know, it's interesting. I. I can't recall a number one overall player being less hyped than Cam Ward. It's a really weird year. But I actually think that might work in his favor because what do we see with rookie quarterbacks all the time? But all this pressure to perform up to these expectations. And Cam Ward feels to me like he's forgotten about maybe because not a lot of people are talking about the Titans and he goes into an offense where people are like, oh, yeah, Cam. But even after that at the draft, it was like, okay, number one pick. It was sort of this foregone conclusion. I know.

[Field Yates]

Perfect thing happened. Well, I guess the imperfect thing happened. With the first pick, Titan selects Cam Ward. Bam. Adam Schefter tweet. The Jaguars have traded up to pick number two. Right. So. And his job, that is a huge story.

[Stefania Bell]

You know, I don't think I agree as far as number one picks go, I can't recall somebody who got less attention before, during, or after the draft. So I actually think that, hey, maybe this works in his favor. And some of the things that we didn't get to see at Miami, like his running talent, maybe that's going to be on display and maybe he's going to surprise us a little bit.

[Field Yates]

I would agree there is more upside. It may just take a year or two.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, he's the only guy that I don't have in the same tier. I have him in that next year just because the offense is tough and as a rookie, having not seen it, you know, I. I would rather go.

[Field Yates]

A different direction, but my tears matter less as we get further as you get farther away.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's fair.

[Field Yates]

Bryce Young is also in this tier for me. Was much improved on the stretch last year. The question is as much like he had 15 touchdowns and nine picks last year. I'll be in a weird season. He played better. He is, he has some rushing ability for sure. Not, not elite elite, but just I have confidence that the trajectory of this organization and this offense is strong. So I think he deserves some mention. And then beyond that is my next tier, which is tier 5. And these are actually incongruent a little bit with some of my rankings because these guys probably have a better shot at finishing is like somewhere between quarterback 12 and 15 than like Cam Ward or Bryce Young. But they have a lower chance of finishing as like a top five player at the position because in the case of many of these guys, they're pocket passers who don't really use their legs at all. Right. So tier five for me includes the likes of Matthew Stafford, Geno Smith, Tuatanga by loa. Michael Pennix Jr. Could be in there as well. So again, I like all of these players in real life as players. They're going to have some solid games for sure. Like Matthew Stafford is going to have a vintage 300 yard, three touchdown, no interception performance along the way. But Safford might run for 313 yards all season. Yeah, right.

[Daniel Doppa]

I mean that's honestly, I mean if.

[Stefania Bell]

He'S got a bad back to start.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, like he might not rush for 13 yards. For what it's worth, he's starting to.

[Stefania Bell]

Get rid of the ball and he's not looking for anything.

[Field Yates]

Tua is probably the one that deserves a bit more shine than those two because he's younger and a lot of upside. But Tua going back to like the second half of 2023. The problem with Tua is that when he's not elite, he's just like completely, completely unplayable.

[Daniel Doppa]

Unstartable.

[Field Yates]

Right. It's like it's not. And in the case of some of those guys that are further up ahead, like even the bad version of like Kyler, not that Kyler's perfect, but he was the first guy that I chose here. So it's like yeah, Kyler dudded today, he only got you 14.5. Whereas like a 2, a dud can be like 8, 8 points.

[Daniel Doppa]

Right.

[Field Yates]

Again, because he's in that same category. I think two is a very, very, very good quarterback for fantasy. We're looking for players that have a lot of rushing upside. And with the Dolphins offense focusing more on running the football and being physical at the point of attack, the idea of just like bombs away left and right. Tyree Kill, Jalen Waddle probably a little less prevalent this year. Think about how much of their offense last season was just dump the ball off to Johnny Smith and Devon Hn.

[Stefania Bell]

Right.

[Field Yates]

Great for those guys in PPR scoring. Not great for the Dolphins if they.

[Stefania Bell]

Could put both together and actually have a functional offense that was consistent.

[Field Yates]

I think it's like one sort of begets the second. Right. Like, if you can run the football effectively, what happens is teams say, okay, we can't just like, stay way back and prevent the big passes because they now are running for, you know, five yards of play. But once you start running for, like five or six yards of play, teams start to move too many resources to the box. And then all of a sudden it's like, whoa. Like, you know, it's first and 10 and they're expecting a run. And the next thing you know, it's play action and it's Tyree kill, you know, DM his little signature peace sign, 75 yards downfield. Y so any names that I didn't mention that you guys are like, I can't believe that guy didn't come up.

[Daniel Doppa]

I'm going to call you out more than I agree with this being a name that was not mentioned. But yesterday on the show you said we shouldn't be dismissing Sam Darnold after dropping 300 fantasy points and finishing his QB9. And he doesn't make either one of our lists. He's not even ranked by any of us here at ESPN and doesn't make the tier list. Is this one of those things where you're like, the real life Sam Darnold is just going to be better than what the fantasy version is going to be?

[Field Yates]

I think that's fair, too. Yeah. And also, don't you feel like it's.

[Stefania Bell]

Just an offense that you really don't know what it's going to look like?

[Field Yates]

Yes.

[Daniel Doppa]

I have no idea.

[Field Yates]

I think I know what it wants to look like. I think it wants to look like what the Saints were doing early last season when Clint Kubiak was there. The discounts for Sam Darnold are. Let's start. I think they would like to run the football a lot. He goes from throwing passes to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison to a very good wide receiver room. Jake Bobo and Jack.

[Daniel Doppa]

I love it. I love it.

[Field Yates]

And Cooper Cup. But like.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

Who you taking? Yeah, who are you taking? Right on top of that.

[Daniel Doppa]

Pretty sure the Vikings played with the lead for almost every minute of the 2024 season.

[Field Yates]

Kind of a magical year last year. Right? There was some magic involved. So I do like Sam much more in a two quarterback league than a single quarterback.

[Daniel Doppa]

Sure. When you're looking at these, at these tiers field, you know, obviously S tier A, tier B tier, these guys are.

[Field Yates]

Starters for us, A tier is my favorite value tier.

[Daniel Doppa]

What's you know, C tier. When you look at this, the C.J. stroud, the Trevor Lawrence, the Jordan Love, Is that, is that 16 team league starters, is that two quarterback and second.

[Field Yates]

Quarterback starters, like 14 to 16 team league starters. What those guys all are truthfully is they're players that like, if you get them right at it sucks because it means they had down years again and it probably has a trickle down effect to their pass catchers. If you get them wrong, it also sucks because you got them wrong because.

[Daniel Doppa]

Someone else is playing that guy against you and they're scoring 22 points a week.

[Field Yates]

Again. What we're doing here is we're trying to make calculated swings on players that we think have higher upside than others. I believe that I'm just picking a name from tier three and tier four that on a weekly basis Jared Goff has a higher upside than C.J. shroud does. Like if you ask me, who has a chance to get the 20 in a given week, Jared Goff and this offense, even with a new play caller.

[Daniel Doppa]

Even with how run heavy they are.

[Field Yates]

Less running than CJ Stroud, even with the potential for natural regression, it's just hard to score 33 points a game every year has a better chance of getting there than C.J. stroud.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yeah, I mean I'm with you on that. That's, that's one of the hard part for me with Jared Goff is all my lines fandom is like he, when he has duds, he can dud real hard. And that, that's the tough part.

[Stefania Bell]

The, the interesting thing to me is that I don't think there's a ton of disagreement with where everybody's ranked. Everyone and just in the fantasy community in general. I think this is probably about how people feel. Like I don't think there's going to be. I'll be surprised if there's a lot in here that's very polarizing. So the problem is then when you go into your draft, it becomes much more about strategy because if you really want, you know, we all pretty much agree who are the elite and where you're going to have to invest to get them. But a lot of people who are like, well I'm going to wait a little bit on quarterback, I'm going to try and target these tier 2, you have to know where people are feeling about their draft. Because you could get stuck if there starts to be a quarterback run.

[Field Yates]

Yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

And you're in this Tier 2, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, now I'm down in tier three. I did not want to end up there with my starting quarterback.

[Daniel Doppa]

This is what brings me to. We say this every single year. This is why it's important to mock draft, to understand where people are coming off the board. To be able to look at ADP with where you're drafting. Are you able to grab a guy and wait? Are you able to wait and see like, he's going to come back to me in this round or is it like, if I want him, I've got to take him here? Because there's a high likelihood he doesn't.

[Stefania Bell]

I know in our mock draft project, I miscalculated on Joe Burrow probably the most often. I would be like, okay, I know that he's not going to go as high as the other four and if I wait till about this time, can.

[Daniel Doppa]

I wait and get him?

[Stefania Bell]

And then he would get picked up. And I think that's your. Your point about mock drafting is really good because you have to watch how that changes. More and more news will come out of training camp. More and more chatter will happen and there will be volatility in where those players are drafted quickly.

[Field Yates]

The quarterback rooms we did not discuss today. We mentioned Sam Darnold. Pittsburgh Steelers with Aaron Rodgers. The New York Giants with Russell Wilson to start, but probably not Russell Wilson to finish.

[Daniel Doppa]

Yep.

[Field Yates]

The Indianapolis Colts, Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson.

[Stefania Bell]

New Orleans Saints.

[Field Yates]

New Orleans Saints with Tyler Shuck.

[Stefania Bell]

Maybe that's part of the problem.

[Field Yates]

Right. And there's one more that I am forgetting off top, my head. Cleveland Browns, of course. Cleveland Browns.

[Stefania Bell]

Who.

[Field Yates]

Who knows? So, yes.

[Stefania Bell]

Do we talk about Raiders?

[Field Yates]

Gino.

[Stefania Bell]

Okay.

[Field Yates]

Gino Smith.

[Stefania Bell]

I miss that. We just. We just.

[Field Yates]

Yep. Yeah. Running back tears tomorrow. Running back tears are going be. I would say I think they'll be more different, but definitely different too. That's scientific. It's hard to. Hard to know when to draw the line from one tier to the next at running back.

[Stefania Bell]

Sorry, I'll miss that one.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's okay. And actually, I'm going to call an audible here live while we're doing this. We did quarterback stay. We're going to do wide receivers tomorrow. The pass catchers of these quarterbacks that we're talking about. So we'll dive into the wide receiver tiers tomorrow. Going to be a ton of fun as it always is. Make sure if you did not see our mock draft episode yesterday. You want to see where we decided to take some players? Go check that out.

[Stefania Bell]

You know what? Join the chat and tell us.

[Daniel Doppa]

Absolutely. Jump in the YouTube chat. We love being able to hear.

[Stefania Bell]

We heard a lot yesterday. The draft was, you know, provoked some responses. We love that. That's what this is all about.

[Daniel Doppa]

That's what it's all about. Stefania, we will not see you the rest of the week. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to argue with field by myself.

[Stefania Bell]

I know. Well, some of us have to go do work out in the field.

[Daniel Doppa]

Oh, yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

Pun intended.

[Daniel Doppa]

There you go. Hey, all right. That's gonna do it for us. Don't forget to love each other. Be kind to yourself, and we'll see you guys here tomorrow.

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