🤔 Jalen Hurts’ ADP is TOO HIGH + Jefferson & Kittle: Draft or Pass?

Summary

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Episode: 🤔 Jalen Hurts’ ADP is TOO HIGH + Jefferson & Kittle: Draft or Pass?
Date: August 6, 2026
Hosts: Liz Loza, Daniel Dopp

Episode Overview

In this episode, Liz Loza and Daniel Dopp dig deep into several hot-button ADP (Average Draft Position) debates ahead of fantasy football draft season. The focus is on key players whose draft value is being questioned – including Jalen Hurts, Justin Jefferson, George Kittle, and Mike Evans – as well as insights into backup RB strategy, WR injury risks, and late value picks. With a lively banter and sharp analysis, Liz and Daniel challenge draft conventions, urging listeners to do the same as they provide actionable advice and memorable one-liners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Challenging ADP "Gospel"

• ADP is a Guide, Not a Rule
  • Liz kicks off the episode reminding listeners that "ADP is not gospel" and should be treated as guidance, not doctrine. (00:45)

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Jalen Hurts – Is His ADP Justified?

Segment begins: 01:46
Key Points:

• Hurts is being drafted around 54.5 overall (6th round), but both hosts consider this too high given recent performance trends.
• Concerns over:
  • Declining Passing Efficiency: Only one 300+ yard game last season; lowest completion percentage since 2021. (02:17)
  • Diminished Rushing Numbers: 45 fewer rush attempts and only 8 rushing TDs last year (second lowest since rookie year). (03:02)
  • Tush Push Effect Decreasing: Conversion rate dropped to 62%; loss of O-line coach and Jason Kelce hampers effectiveness. (03:02-03:44)
  • Saquon Barkley Addition: Likely shift to traditional runs near the goal line, further reducing Hurts' rushing TD upside. (03:44)
  • New O-line coach (Chris Cooper), Tush Push potentially "phased out." (03:57)
• Draft Strategy:
  • Both would rather take a WR like Jaylen Waddle or Ladd McConkey in the 6th and target QBs like Trevor Lawrence or Justin Herbert later. (04:45)

Quote:
“Way too high. ... He recorded just eight rushing scores last season. That was his second lowest total since his rookie campaign.” – Liz Loza (02:17, 03:02)

“I haven’t drafted him at all this year.” – Daniel Dopp (04:36)

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Justin Jefferson – Draft or Pass at Depressed Value?

Segment begins: 05:32
Key Points:

• Coming off his worst fantasy finish (WR30), Jefferson is available at the lowest price of his career.
• Despite a carousel of mediocre QBs over his career, Jefferson consistently produces as a top-5 per game WR. (06:15)
• Volume is Key:
  • Maintains a ~30% target share every year; not a product of touchdowns.
  • Only concern is new QB Kyler Murray, whose deep ball doesn’t perfectly match Jefferson’s strengths, but track record of force-feeding primary WRs suggests optimism. (06:50-07:05)
• Value Perspective:
  • Represents “incredible value” at the end of Round 1/start of Round 2; two-TD season won’t repeat. (07:31)
  • “Next year, we’ll look back and remember this discount.”

Quote:
“If we are looking at the facts and not just the feels, there’s incredible value here.” – Liz Loza (07:44)

“The fact is Kyler Murray only has one piece of homework and that’s just throw the ball to Justin Jefferson.” – Daniel Dopp (07:56)

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George Kittle – 10th Round Steal or Injury Trap?

Segment begins: 08:03
Key Points:

• Kittle’s intensity makes him an injury risk – he’s missed at least one game in 7 of 9 seasons.
• When healthy, he’s elite:
  • Never averaged under 12.7 fantasy points per game outside rookie year.
  • Leads all TEs in TDs (38) over last five years despite missing 14 games. (09:18)
  • Missed time factored into the depressed ADP (95 overall; 10th round).
• Achilles Injury:
  • January injury adds uncertainty; may miss Week 1 (especially with season opener in Australia).
  • But no setbacks; roster spot is deep enough to justify waiting for “the People’s Tight End.” (09:42–10:14)
• Comparison:
  • Prefer Kittle over Mike Evans (ADP 95 vs. 90) due to chemistry and role stability. (10:14)

Quote:
"Despite missing 14 regular season games, he also leads the position in touchdown grabs over the last five years with 38." – Liz Loza (09:18)

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Outsider Rankings & Player Takes

Segment begins: 13:07

Travis Kelce – Is This Finally the Decline?

• Daniel has him at TE12 (vs. consensus TE10), worried about steady decline:
  • Four-year drop from 18.2 to 10.4 ppg, under 1,000 yards, declining TDs (14:38)
• Wants more ceiling for late TE picks, sees “low-end TE1 floor” with little dynamism.
• Liz agrees: “Finding the upside elsewhere at a cheaper price: no problems with it.” (14:39)

“It’s kind of stopped being fun … catches the ball and falls down like Tyler Lockett.” – Daniel Dopp (15:16)

Isaiah Pacheco – the Overlooked Handcuff

• Dopp's all-in—“criminally overlooked” even as just a handcuff RB behind Jameer Gibbs in Detroit.
  • Chiefs lacked TD potential last year; Detroit offense fits TD vultures (16:56).
  • Predicts 8+ touchdowns if he gets a relevant role. Pacheco = RB3/flex with major handcuff upside. (17:19)

“He would have top-20 running back value if he ever got the start.” – Daniel Dopp (16:56)

Nico Collins – Injury & Offense Concerns

• Daniel’s nervous about Collins as a WR1, due to persisting lower-body injuries and declining Texans offense with CJ Stroud at QB.
  • Never played a full season; multiple injuries across years (19:03)
  • O-line still a concern; prefers late-camp buzz WR Jaden Higgins as a cheap breakout option if Collins misses time. (20:22)
• Prefers George Pickens or Chris Olave to Collins. (21:32)

"Three of his five seasons in the NFL, he has spent at least four games on injured reserve." – Daniel Dopp (19:06)

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Notable Listener Voicemail Q&A

(Begins: 24:04–31:33)

• Cam Scatterboo as RB1?

  • No; fine as RB2, but too risky for RB1. Draft a RB earlier! (24:48)

    “What you doing for the first four rounds … if Cam Scatterboo is your RB1?” – Liz Loza (24:48)

• Omarion Hampton vs. Saquon Barkley (10 team PPR):

  • Both hosts lean Omarion Hampton for ceiling, but Barkley provides safer floor. Both great options. (27:14)

    “Hampton has the higher ceiling. Barkley offers you a safer floor.” – Liz Loza (27:20)

• Mike Evans: Late Value or Devonte Adams Lite?

  • Don’t spend a 3rd-rounder; his value is in the 9th/10th round.

    “Draft value: 10th round? In. Third round? Hard pass.” – Liz Loza (30:41) “He makes his money by finding the end zone, not via volume.” – Daniel Dopp (31:09)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On ADP Worship:
  • “ADP is not gospel.” – Liz Loza (00:45)
• On the demise of the Tush Push:
  • “Tush pushes can’t last forever.” – Liz Loza (32:14)
• Daniel, on Kelce:
  • “I’d rather be a year early on Travis Kelce than a year late. I was four years early…” (13:24)
• On Nico Collins’ injuries:
  • “Three of his five seasons in the NFL, he has spent at least four games on injured reserve.” – Daniel Dopp (19:06)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:46] – Jalen Hurts’ ADP and Rushing Concerns
• [05:32] – Justin Jefferson: Top Value or Trap?
• [08:03] – George Kittle: 10th Round Risk/Reward
• [13:07] – Off-Consensus Ranks: Kelce, Pacheco, Collins
• [24:04] – Voicemail: Cam Scatterboo as RB1? (No!)
• [27:00] – Voicemail: Hampton vs. Barkley (PPR RB Debate)
• [29:12] – Voicemail: Mike Evans’ Home Stretch Value

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Key Takeaways

• Don’t overrate ADPs, especially for QBs like Hurts whose rushing floor is declining.
• Justin Jefferson remains a safe, high-upside pick even with a new QB—a classic case for buying the dip.
• Kittle’s injuries are bankable, but ADP reflects the risk—stash and wait is a winning TE strategy.
• Travis Kelce’s fantasy bell-cow days are likely over; look for upside late.
• When targeting handcuff RBs, don’t disregard high-upside players like Pacheco.
• WRs with major injury histories (Collins) come with more risk than most rankings reflect—have contingency options.
• Listeners: Don’t use mid/lower-tier RBs (e.g., Scatterboo) as your only workhorse; always draft a top RB early.

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Closing Thoughts

The hosts encourage challenging consensus thinking and adapting to current player situations rather than following ADP blindly. “May your facts be solid, your feelings be right, and your busts be someone else’s problem.” (32:14)

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Transcript

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[Liz Loza]

regular season games, he also leads the position in touchdown grabs over the last five years with 38. So he leads the position in touchdowns even though he's missed all of that time.

[Daniel Dopp]

All that time.

[Liz Loza]

Hey, I'm Liz Loza. This is facts versus Feelings and today's fact is that ADP is not gospel. Daniel Dopp.

[Daniel Dopp]

Liz Lozo.

[Liz Loza]

We're in the same box.

[Daniel Dopp]

How amazing is that? I'm out of the little box. We are now in a big box

[Liz Loza]

together in Bristol, Connecticut.

[Daniel Dopp]

Isn't that fun for you?

[Liz Loza]

It's fantastic.

[Daniel Dopp]

It's the best, right? Love being able to be here with you in studio. We've been doing Fantasy Focus all week long.

[Liz Loza]

I know. By the end of this week we will have done six shows together.

[Daniel Dopp]

That's a lot. Are you sure you still want to do Facts versus Feelings with me every single week?

[Liz Loza]

My favorite thing every week is facts versus feelings and now I get to improve that enjoyment 6x.

[Daniel Dopp]

All right, let's dive into then. What the ADP, Liz we've been mock drafting for months at this time.

[Liz Loza]

Sure have.

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[Daniel Dopp]

I'm kind of mock drafted out. Don't put. It's a part of the job.

[Liz Loza]

They're going to put you.

[Daniel Dopp]

I know we'll get more.

[Liz Loza]

I know they're put you in a different kind of box if you talk like that. You love mock drafting. Daniel Nothing is better than a mock draft on a Monday.

[Daniel Dopp]

We have done so many mocks that we have seen the ADP of a lot of these guys shift quite a bit from when we started to where we're at now. So I want to dive into a couple of different positions of guys that have an interesting ADP as I would call it. And I want to start in Philadelphia with the quarterback that is Jalen Hurts because everyone kind of looks at Jalen Hurts, the number five quarterback. He's the quote end of that first tier because he's that running quarterback. We always talk about that being a cheat code of fan. Yep. The rushing upside and now his ADP, 54.5. So you're getting him in the sixth round. How do you feel about Jalen Hurts in that adp?

[Liz Loza]

Way too high. I mean, this is a player who has underperformed in consecutive seasons. Last year he was the QB8 in fantasy points per game. His passing was down in that he recorded his lowest completion percentage under 65% since 2021. He also, in fact, let me ask you, how many games of 300 or more yards passing do you think he managed last season?

[Daniel Dopp]

Maybe one.

[Liz Loza]

Just one.

[Daniel Dopp]

Okay.

[Liz Loza]

One single game of 300 plus. But obviously we do not love Jalen Hurts, as you mentioned earlier for his passing volume. We like him for his legs.

[Daniel Dopp]

Exactly. And now it feels like we're in a spot, Liz, where even though I love Jalen hurts and the legs and that's why we're drafting him there, it kind of feels like the rushing has fallen off a little bit over the last couple of years.

[Liz Loza]

Last year he ran the ball 45 fewer times than the previous year and he ended the year as the QB 7 in rushing yards behind Drake May. Also, can we talk about the touchdown production because that dropped significantly. He recorded just eight rushing scores last season. That was his second lowest total since his rookie campaign. And I would attribute that dip to a less effective conversion on the Tush push, which only converted at about 62% last year. And I have to give you props because you warned everyone heading into last year that without Jason Kelce in that offensive line, the Tush push was going to become less of a factor for Jalen Hurts.

[Daniel Dopp]

Especially when you have a running back the caliber of Saquon freaking Barkley. Barkley right back there, right? Like, why not give the ball to the running back you're paying tens of millions of dollars to so you protect your quarterback. So it just feels like where we're at right now, 54.5.

[Liz Loza]

I don't see it. I don't see it rebounding either because the O lines coach from last year and all the previous years, Jeff Stoutland, stepped down and now there's a gentleman named Chris Cooper who's going to man that role. And most of the reports are saying that the Tush push is going to be less of a centerpiece, maybe even completely phased out of the game plan here.

[Daniel Dopp]

What does Jalen Hurts fantasy impact look like if the Tush push is in a part of what we're getting week in and week out? Because that's why we're drafting him at

[Liz Loza]

5 and the passing game is going to be less efficient again without no A.J.

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[Liz Loza]

A.J. brown there. So now we're looking at a completely depressed season and he was the QB8 in fantasy points per game last year.

[Daniel Dopp]

Even though I have him in this tier where he is at the end of tier one because of the rushing ability, as you've mentioned, there's a reason for me to be nervous about it. I haven't drafted him at all this year.

[Liz Loza]

I haven't either because in the sixth round I would rather pivot to wide receiver and get myself either jalen waddle

[Daniel Dopp]

or lad McConkey and then we can wait and we've talked about the round quarterbacks that we both like, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, give them O'Reilly Auto Parts can help take the guesswork out of your vehicle's check engine, ABS or maintenance light with O'Reilly Veriscan. The service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ASE certified master technicians. Ask for an O'Reilly Veriscan today. All right, let's talk about wide receiver then, because there's another guy that would have been an easy top three wide receiver, except last year he was awful. Justin Jefferson was a top 10 wide receiver for five straight seasons. And then last year he got J.J. mcCarthy finished as wide receiver 30. We all thought because Kevin O' Connell rescued Sam Darnold.

[Liz Loza]

Sam O'Darnold, Sam O'Darnold.

[Daniel Dopp]

Because of that, it was like, all right, he can do this with J.J. mcCarthy. And then it just, the value cratered. And because of that, you're seeing this draft price be as low as it has ever been on Justin Jefferson. So are you in or are you

[Liz Loza]

out on this current adp? I think you're getting an incredible steal. I mean, we know that Justin Jefferson has top five wide receiver potential. Why don't you list all the quarterbacks that Justin Jefferson has played with over the years prior to J.J. mcCarthy?

[Daniel Dopp]

All right, the quarterbacks you're talking about, we got Kirk Cousins, Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs, Jaren Hall, Jaren hall and Sam Darnold. Honestly, Kirk Cousins is the best one

[Liz Loza]

on that floor for sure.

[Daniel Dopp]

Not even close. So Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs and Jaren hall. And he was still a top 10 wide receiver.

[Liz Loza]

Yes. In fact, over his career, six years in the league, Justin Jefferson has remained the wide receiver five in fantasy points per game, just over his career behind Tyreek Hill and just ahead of Amon Ross St. Brown.

[Daniel Dopp]

Okay. Which is very fair. And I, I think, as you would usually say, we're trying not to Chase touchdowns.

[Liz Loza]

We don't chase touchdowns.

[Daniel Dopp]

We chase volume.

[Voicemail Caller]

Right.

[Liz Loza]

We chased volume. And Justin Jefferson over his career has also managed a target share of around 30% every single season. That is a monster size. We know that the touchdowns are going to rebound. We can be nervous about Kyler Murray. I am nervous about ky. That's the

[Daniel Dopp]

point that makes me probably the most nervous. None of this has to do with Justin Jefferson. None of last year was on Justin Jefferson. For me it was the quarterback not being able to get him the ball. And even though we've seen Kyler have a top five season before, I think there is some concern that maybe he's just going to suck at getting his guy the ball.

[Liz Loza]

Well, we have seen him Force feed DeAndre Hopkins the ball when Nuke was in Arizona that first year they were together. So we've seen that work. I will agree that the marriage of skill sets is not ideal because Murray has struggled to push the ball downfield and we know that that's a hallmark of Justin Jefferson's game. Still. He is also going to score more than two touchdowns. So now you have a player with consistent wide receiver. 5 upside going if you're playing in a 10 team league at the top of the second round.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yeah, I think you have an unbelievable value if you decide to draft Justin Jefferson here. End of the first, beginning of the second. It feels like when we get to next year we're going to be looking back saying, remember when we got such a huge discount on Justin Jefferson?

[Liz Loza]

I mean, I hope so because there is plenty that can go wrong between these two personalities if you want to listen to the narrative streak. So I do understand it. But also, if we are looking at the facts and not just the feels, there's value here. Incredible value.

[Daniel Dopp]

The fact is Kyler Murray only has one piece of homework and that's just throw the ball to Justin Jefferson.

[Liz Loza]

One piece.

[Daniel Dopp]

Only one piece.

[Liz Loza]

I still think they should play Madden together. That might.

[Daniel Dopp]

I think that might fix it. That might fix it. Let's just get in the playbook and do some things. All right, let's talk about one more guy and we're going to go to the tight end position. Liz. George Kittle has been unbelievable for basically a decade. That 49ers wide receiving core is in a tough spot right now. Juwan Jennings no longer there, obviously. Ricky Pearsall on ir. They did bring in a very old Mike Evans and so they don't have a lot of.

[Liz Loza]

Who by the way is dealing with a quadriceps issue.

[Daniel Dopp]

How you feeling about George Kittle, mind you dealing with some of his own things, but right now his ADP is 95.

[Liz Loza]

That's the 10th round. So we know George Kittle is going to probably miss a little bit of time because his playing style, which is so intense, which is why he's such a fan favorite, often invites injury. In fact, George Kittle has missed at least one game due to injury in seven of his last nine seasons when he has been on the first, though he has been money outside of his rookie effort, Kittle has never posted a season in which he's averaged fewer than 12.7 fantasy points per game. And and it gets better. Despite missing 14 regular season games, he also leads the position in touchdown grabs over the last five years with 38. So he leads the position in touchdowns even though he's missed all of that time.

[Daniel Dopp]

All that time. And I would think that with this offense he's going to go back to being that role while he is on the field. The big concern right now for me, Liz, and you kind of alluded it to the beginning, he's dealing with that Achilles injury which happened very late in the season.

[Liz Loza]

January.

[Daniel Dopp]

It was a January injury. So as a part of that you might have to grab another tight end maybe for the first couple weeks. And that's really the big concern with George Kittle is you'll have to go with someone else maybe for a couple weeks in the unknown there.

[Liz Loza]

I think certainly for week one now, George Kittle has not suffered any setbacks in his recovery. He is expecting to be ready week one. I would say though, even if he's not, because the rams and the 49ers will travel to Australia to kick off the season. So maybe George Kittle doesn't make that trip. For a myriad of reasons. I don't care. There are this position is so deep that you can take plenty of final round flyers to band aid your roster while the people's tight end returns to form and then also just pushes you into some supernova gear down the stretch.

[Daniel Dopp]

I am all in that. George Kittle's ADP is 95. Mike Evans ADP is 90. Give me the tight end that has years of chemistry with this quarterback rather than the old guy that's coming over for the first season. Facts all right, before we move on, please make sure that you like and subscribe to this video. We love being able to do this show. It means a ton for Liz and I and we need your voicemails even though it may feel like we have a ton because we do have a lot.

[Liz Loza]

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[Daniel Dopp]

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[Daniel Dopp]

I saw you with the box. What was in the box? Oh, what's in the box? What's in the box? All right. This is what it looks like when I'm out of the box. Guys, I gotta be honest, Liz is a little bit nervous because I've never been in a box this big before.

[Liz Loza]

I have never kept you in a box. Dan. I love you.

[Daniel Dopp]

That's all you do is keep me in boxes.

[Liz Loza]

That's not me. That's the producers.

[Daniel Dopp]

Okay, well, for what it's worth, I am in a very large box right now. And I am very excited because now that you've let me out. I want to be able to talk about some players that maybe I'm a little more outside the box on based on my rankings than some of our.

[Liz Loza]

Other than the consensus.

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[Daniel Dopp]

Than our consensus. Our colleagues. I'm gonna start at the tight end spot. I need you to give me a little bit of grace here because I've been out on Travis Kelce for a

[Liz Loza]

while since I've known you.

[Daniel Dopp]

Okay.

[Liz Loza]

That's four years.

[Daniel Dopp]

And for two of those years I was wrong.

[Liz Loza]

Well, you keep saying I'd rather be a year early on Travis Kelce than a year later.

[Daniel Dopp]

I was four years early for what it's worth, and I was wrong. And you gotta own your mistakes sometimes. But now eventually, baby, that's the time. Travis Kelce, I think right now he's coming off the board. It's about tight end 10.

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[Daniel Dopp]

I've got him more as like tight end 12. And I'm nervous because I just feel like we've watched him fall year after year after year as he's just lost that pop in his step. Four years ago, 18.2 points per game. Three years ago 14.7 points per game. So about three less two years ago 11.2. So you're talking in three years he lost seven points per game. That's a lot based on what we were expecting. And then last year even less 10.4. Now you're in a situation in which you're going the wrong way. You've got a superstar quarterback who's working back from injury, so even that's going to be something. They want Rasheed Rice to be involved like it's nobody's business. They want that kid to be able to work out. They drafted a first round wide receiver a couple of years ago that I don't think they want to give up on yet. And Xavier Worthy and I just feel like at that spot, Liz, this is where I'll end it. There are younger tight ends that I think just have more upside that I would rather take a shot on than Travis Kelce because I think he might have a decent floor, a low end, tight end, one floor.

[Liz Loza]

That's what I have him. But.

[Daniel Dopp]

But I want that ceiling. If I'm going to wait that long. I can get that floor, I feel like from almost anybody.

[Liz Loza]

Well, we do know. Okay. Over the last three years Travis Kelce has not hit 1,000 receiving yards. He also hasn't managed double digit touchdowns for three years straight as well. So we certainly can admit there's been a decline. I do Think the addition of Kenneth Gainwell III to the offense will open up the middle of the field for him. He's going to continue to be a safety valve, but he's getting nothing after the catch to your point. So I do have him as my tight end 10 and I think he'll be a low end tight end one but finding the upside elsewhere at a cheaper price. No problems with it.

[Daniel Dopp]

I think that there's a part when I watch Travis Kelce's game it's like kind of stopped being fun because it used to be like he was this big behemoth that would kind of run over people.

[Liz Loza]

Rumble a bit.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yeah, he'd rumble and now it's just like he catches the ball and falls down like Tyler Lockett used to do. So like that's the thing, you catch the ball, you play Madden, you hit the A button. You don't want to get tackled. And I actually maybe don't want him to get tackled. I want him to be on the field. So whatever he can do, I think he will still have those classic. There will be a few. There will be weeks, there will be weeks, there will be weeks, there will be days.

[Liz Loza]

He'll be likes to say there will be weeks and there will be weeks. Do you want to talk about someone who used to be on the Chiefs but is now playing maybe for a team you have a particular interest in?

[Daniel Dopp]

You know, Liz, part of the reason why we're best friends is because you know my heart so well.

[Liz Loza]

I do.

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[Daniel Dopp]

Isaiah Pacheco, I think is just being criminally overlooked right now in drafts. And I want to say this first and foremost, I think it's as a handcuff. I do not believe that Isaiah Pacheco as it stands will have standalone value the way that both Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery could have standalone value in the previous years of fantasy. This year it's going to be different. It's the Jameer Gibbs show. But I do want to say when looking at what that Monte Roll did over the last couple years, it's pretty enticing. Liz. Three years ago, 15 touchdowns for David Montgomery. That was with Jameer Gibbs being on the team. He was a rookie that year. Two years ago, 12 touchdowns. Last year still dipped, but eight touchdowns, which is a very respectable number for a running back in today's NFL. I don't care about the yardage. I care about the touchdown equity. In the number two offense in the NFL that scored 28 points per game last year, the Chiefs weren't even close to that they were the 20th scoring offense in the NFL last year. So this team should be so much better for Isaiah Pacheco. And most importantly, the point is he's a handcuff. If anything happens to Jameer Gibbs, you have a guy that's going to fall right into an offense as the lead back. There's not another back in Detroit right now that you would think would take carries away from Isaiah Pacheco. And he would have top 20 running back value if he ever got the start. If Jameer Gibbs were ever hurt. So I just think he shouldn't be overlooked as a handcuff over under seven

[Liz Loza]

and a half rushing scores for Pacheco.

[Daniel Dopp]

Oh, Liz, why you gotta do this

[Liz Loza]

to me on the spot?

[Daniel Dopp]

That's a good number. You should do this.

[Liz Loza]

Thank you. I in fact do.

[Daniel Dopp]

I'm gonna go over. I'm gonna say eight.

[Voicemail Caller]

Okay.

[Daniel Dopp]

Just like, just barely over.

[Liz Loza]

So that is the number of rushing scores that David Montgomery recorded last year season and was the RB12 as a result in rushing scores. Moreover, last year David Montgomery was the RB27 overall with a reduced amount of volume and dealing with injury. So that means that Isaiah Pacheco has RB3 Flex appeal and is largely going undrafted, not even baking in his value as a handcuff.

[Daniel Dopp]

Isaiah Pacheco is ranked so low by our and if he's even ranked by a lot of our consensus colleagues. Liz, I'm all in on this guy. But again, I just want to say one more time, One more time. It is not standalone value. It is not like previous years with David Montgomery. This is just about grabbing him in case something happens to Amir Gibbs. But we gotta talk about Pacheco more as a guy that needs to be.

[Liz Loza]

I think we need to tweak our rankings. I think that's the lesson we just learned.

[Daniel Dopp]

All right, I got a wide receiver I want to ask you about. One more and I feel really bad because I love this kid. I am really nervous about Nico Collins as my wide receiver. One in fantasy.

[Liz Loza]

Is it because of the lower body injuries or because you believe the passing offense to be kind of anemic?

[Daniel Dopp]

It is a little bit of both. How much do you know about Nico Collins lower body? Not enough. Not enough. You're gonna answer.

[Mark Azar (Voicemail Caller)]

There you go.

[Daniel Dopp]

Okay, so here's where we're at. Let me tell you about Nico Collins and it's not just his lower body though. It is mostly his lower body. The problem is he has gotten hurt so much that a lot of this is on him. Some of it's on the offense, but a lot of this is on him. He's never played a full season.

[Liz Loza]

I did not know that.

[Daniel Dopp]

Actually, he never played a full season.

[Voicemail Caller]

Good point.

[Daniel Dopp]

Nico had multiple concussions in 2025, missed multiple games because of that. He dealt with multiple hamstring issues in 2024, which included a stint on the IR. He had a calf strain in 2023 that caused him to miss time. He had a foot injury in 2022 that also landed him on the IR. He then had a shoulder injury in 2021 that also landed him on the IR. So three of his five seasons in the NFL, he has spent at least four games on injured reserve. So I'm planning on this guy probably getting banged up. We see these big, long wide receivers with the hamstring issues. It happens a lot, the recidivism. We know that. So we're talking about now Nico Collins being a guy that I have to worry about from a health perspective. And I still haven't talked about the offense where I don't know if C.J. stroud is that good of a quarterback anymore. We anointed him coming right out of that first year and it's been downhill ever since. And part of that is because of

[Liz Loza]

the offensive line issues.

[Daniel Dopp]

It's been really tough for him. They tried to retool the offensive line this year, but if I'm going to draft Nico Collins as my wide receiver one, I want him to be healthy. I don't want him to miss time, and that's a thing I'm worried about. I want him to be able to have time to get down the field and have his quarterback have a pocket so that there's the ability for him to be able to find Nico Collins. I'm worried about that in this Texans offense.

[Liz Loza]

So are you out on the player or are you out on the offense? Because Jaden Higgins, who's getting a ton of buzz in camp, as the de facto number two and could, if we are anticipating that Collins misses time, step into a wide receiver one role.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yep.

[Liz Loza]

Largely undrafted, very late ranked, I believe, outside of the top 50 players at the position.

[Mark Azar (Voicemail Caller)]

Yes.

[Daniel Dopp]

Agreed. I think that is an awesome pick and I Nico Collins is a much better wide receiver than Jaden Higgins. But I'm more in on the idea of drafting Jaden Higgins because the adp, rather than feeling like I have to spend that draft capital on a guy that I've watched get hurt more often than not. Also being on a team that if they just run the ball a ton with David Montgomery and play really solid

[Liz Loza]

defense, which they can just salt the clock out.

[Daniel Dopp]

They can just salt the clock out and then, hey, guess what? I don't have to worry about that hamstring issue that Nico's dealing with. That being said, Jaden Higgins is in a spot where if Nico's going to be their deep guy, like Jaden Higgins could be that safety valve underneath. You know, he could help play that role. Him and Dalton Schultz could maybe be those guys where the ball comes out a little bit quicker. So I'm more in on Higgins and less out on Collins than I am on the whole offense, I guess.

[Liz Loza]

Okay, let's just really quickly to contextualize. George Pickens or Nico Collins.

[Daniel Dopp]

George Pickens.

[Liz Loza]

Chris Olave or Nico Collins?

[Daniel Dopp]

Chris Olave.

[Liz Loza]

Alright, well, that's good context for us.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yeah, I like it.

[Voicemail Caller]

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[Daniel Dopp]

I like being this was a good you should let me out of the box more often.

[Liz Loza]

I agree that means I have to come to Bristol though.

[Daniel Dopp]

That's true. But I would like to say I probably checked all the boxes today.

[Liz Loza]

You did check all the boxes. Well done. Are there any more housekeeping ones we need to check?

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[Daniel Dopp]

free sharing our feelings.

[Liz Loza]

DOP I hear that you have our voicemail submissions.

[Daniel Dopp]

I sure do. Liz Loza. The very first one. It's an interesting question. I think it's about the cocaine bear in Kentucky.

[Voicemail Caller]

Liz, Daniel, this is Luke from Louisville, Kentucky. Bear down. Just want to say again, looking fantastic as a brunette. Never change it. And also, am I insane for thinking of having Cam Scatterboo be my RB one? I don't know. I keep getting him. I'm losing my mind thinking that I'm kind of falling into shambles. Please let me know your thoughts. Matt Nagy scares me to the end of days. Thank you. Bye.

[Liz Loza]

I love Luke.

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[Liz Loza]

For so many reasons.

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[Liz Loza]

Also, Luke, I'm a little disappointed that you think I'm a brunette. It's red, it's cowgirl, copper. But there's a lot going on in this voicemail. Also, Matt Nagy, scarred for life. Totally understand that. What I don't understand is if Cam Scatterboo is going off the board in the fifth round, what you doing for the first four rounds of your draft in making Cam Scatterby your RB1? Like you should definitely have a running back in those first three to four rounds. No.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yes. I think the running back position dries up too quickly. Outside of that top area. You have to have like one of those top guys.

[Liz Loza]

Right.

[Daniel Dopp]

And I don't think that Cam Scatterboo counts to me as one of those top guys. He's an RB2 contender.

[Liz Loza]

I like him as an RB2. I think you and I might differ a little bit.

[Daniel Dopp]

I'm nervous about, you know, What?

[Liz Loza]

But if he's your RB2, you don't have to be nervous. If he's your RB1, yeah, then I am nervous. I am nervous. But he was the RB4 in rushing attempts last season, the RB4 in receptions, which you don't automatically think about. Now. He's not going to see that kind of volume. Assuming Malik Neighbors is in fact healthy. Right, but we still know that he was the RB8 in fantasy points per game, averaging 19.1 before he got hurt last season.

[Daniel Dopp]

How about if Malik Neighbors is healthy? This offense is moving up and down the field with more efficiency than we saw last year because we didn't see Cam Scatter. We hardly played with malignebers. And that could also increase the touchdown equity that Cam Neighbor, that Cam Scatterboo could see. So I. I'm nervous because of the health part of it. Seems like every once in a while, Cam Scatter Boo just does some silly health things.

[Liz Loza]

I mean, he is like the living, breathing Kool Aid man.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yes, yes. When he just bursts. I'm waiting for him to burst through this door while we do. How incredible would that be? But, yes, as an RB1, I'm nervous. As an RB2. Okay, I can. I can follow that.

[Liz Loza]

But look, please draft a running back before the fifth round. Please have at least one drafted before you get to camp. Skataboo, go ahead and take Skataboo. Totally fine. Just as well as someone else in front of him.

[Daniel Dopp]

And check your color saturation settings just to make sure that it is red.

[Liz Loza]

Daniel used to be a producer. That's it. Next one.

[Daniel Dopp]

All right, next question here. This next one we have is gonna come from my buddy Mark, who I actually don't know, but I think him and I will be friends.

[Voicemail Caller]

Okay, Mark Azar, just a quick Santa Secret Ball 10 team PPR question. Who do you have higher in ADP? Marrington, Interstate, Juan Barclay. Thank you very much.

[Daniel Dopp]

Look at that. Pro ask. The question gets out. This kid is dope. He is my favorite.

[Mark Azar (Voicemail Caller)]

Mark.

[Liz Loza]

Yeah, I love this, and it's a very good question. Mark. This might be one of the best ones because I have those two players back to back in my rankings. I have Omarion Hampton as my RB8 and Saquon Barkley as my RB9. So very good question to me. This is a question of floor versus ceiling. I think that Hampton has a higher ceiling. Barkley offers you a safer floor. The offensive line in Philadelphia, certainly more proven than the one in Los Angeles. We're going to hope that it's Healthy and that will add to Hampton's appeal. But I think that I like them both. And it depends on what you want to do with your team.

[Daniel Dopp]

I. Yeah, if you have a direction that you want to go because you like one of the players more, I don't think you're going to go wrong with either one of these guys. I would go with Omarion Hampton. You said this and made me think about it. I think that Saquon might have a safer floor, but I still think Omarion Hampton may have a higher floor with the offense. That could be the chargers and Mike McDaniel. If things go the way that they did last year. When Omarion Hampton was healthy, he looked unbelievable, not only as a running back finding his way in the end zone, but as a pass catcher. He was very involved. We know that McDaniels knows how to get the football to his running backs with the way that he did with Devon Hn. So for me, I would go with Omarion Hampton here. Mark, just your buddy, Daniel, just me and you for a second. I would go with Omarion Hampton. But you're not going to go wrong with either one of these running backs.

[Liz Loza]

Well, you know, the Eagles also have a new offensive coordinator this season in Sean Manion. And in a passing game transition season, the team is also more likely to lean on the proven ground game. Barkley has 250 carries projected for himself. Yeah, so, Mark, I think you just got to go with your gut, baby.

[Daniel Dopp]

I like it. All right, we got one last question. This one is about some old dudes in fantasy.

[Voicemail Caller]

Good afternoon, Liz. This is Michael from New York. I was wondering, is the 49ers going to use Mike Evans like the Rams, Hughes Devonte, and if so, as he were a late third round pick. Thanks. Love the show. Have a great year. See ya.

[Daniel Dopp]

Wow, he really. Michael milked the end of that voicemail.

[Liz Loza]

I like it.

[Daniel Dopp]

I just gotta say, I like it.

[Liz Loza]

So I think my question back to Michael, which obviously I won't be able to know the answer to.

[Daniel Dopp]

Can you spread it out the way that he did?

[Liz Loza]

Well, I'll try. Mike Evans, a third round pick. Like, you don't need to do that in the third round. His ADP is 90.0 overall. That means you're getting in between the ninth and the 10th round, depending on how many people are in your league. I do like Evans value. Now, we did say earlier in the show, obviously that he's dealing with a quadriceps issue and we did see him get injured last season. So they're to going, that could be signs of decline. I think that the 49ers would like to use Mike Evans like Sean McVay used Devonte Adams. I don't know if that's going to be possible right now. Mike Evans is projected to score eight touchdowns. Adams recorded 14 in 2025. And also for what it's worth, Michael, you can get devonte Adams himself in the fifth round, which is two rounds after the third.

[Daniel Dopp]

Yeah. So I kind of feel when you say this devontae Adams last year, just thinking about the question itself. Devonte Adams last year basically turned into Jimmy Graham. Like he lived between the twenties. He was just a touchdown guy, didn't really live in the middle of the field. I'm not saying that that's going to be Mike Evans because Mike is a field stretcher when he's healthy, though he is turning 33 this year, has been dealing with injuries. Like you said, where Mike Evans makes his money is by finding the end zone.

[Liz Loza]

Not a ton of volume but a ton of high value volume.

[Daniel Dopp]

So I wonder if the comp to Devonte Adams isn't bad, but I'm not sure it's going to be enough for me to want to invest. Definitely not a third round pick.

[Liz Loza]

Well, to me the best thing about Mike Evans is the value he's presented

[Daniel Dopp]

because it's a 10th round pick rather than. So that's fair. All right. After. After walking through it. I think you helped me with that one. I can be a little bit more in on Mike Evans, draft him.

[Liz Loza]

But not in the third round.

[Daniel Dopp]

But not in the third round.

[Liz Loza]

Yes.

[Daniel Dopp]

Agreed. That's going to do it. For the voicemails this week, make sure you continue to send in all of the voicemails that you have that listen. I love being able to listen to them. Sometimes we just go in and listen to them ourselves and we just talk about how we can't wait to be able to get to them later on this season because we got a bunch of really good off season questions. So please check back if you did not hear your voicemails today. We're either going to do some social videos or hopefully have them in later on episodes. The phone number is 323391.

[Liz Loza]

And remember one more thing. When you leave your voicemail, please include your Instagram handle so we can alert you that your voicemail is on the show and give you a shout out.

[Daniel Dopp]

Hey, we love that last call.

[Liz Loza]

Today we learned that Tush pushes can't last forever. That Daniel Dopp might finally be right about Travis Kelce and that ADP is not goth. It is, in fact, merely a suggestion. Remember, you can leave us a voicemail, and when you do, please also leave us your Instagram handle. The number to call is 323-391-4855. Until next time, may your facts be solid, your feelings be right, and your bus be someone else's problem.

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[Daniel Dopp]

That was not bad. That was a good one. Cross, slack and king.

[Liz Loza]

All right, Scrap applesauce. We're matching three. Oh, hold on. Today we learned the. We did. Of the three, we learned lots of. We learned so much. The number to call is 32349. No, it's 391. But I almost got it.

[Daniel Dopp]

That was decent. That was better.

[Liz Loza]

Okay.

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