
The 6 MOST Puzzling Guys to Rank in Week 4
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Daniel Dopp
The whole 6, 010. What's good, friends? And welcome into Fantasy Focus Football alongside Field Jates. And today, Mike Clay. My name is Daniel Dopp, here for a Wednesday. How you guys doing?
Field Yates
Doing awesome. I'm recharged. Mike was talking about how lady went to bed last night and I was like, I'm just going to put it at this. I went to bed a little earlier than slightly earlier than I did.
Mike Clay
All right. So you should have way more energy than me because I was up late.
Daniel Dopp
Way more energy. And fields, you look very dapper today. Very nice.
Field Yates
Well, thank you. Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
I asked you why you looked so dressed up and you said normally you change because you've got other things you got to do throughout the day, like once you get done. Right. But you were like this morning it was just too chilly for me to wear a T shirt. And I looked at the. The weather and it's 68 degrees outside.
Field Yates
What's wrong? 68.
Daniel Dopp
What's wrong with your body that you can't handle 68 degrees?
Field Yates
And.
Mike Clay
And it's a weird little rain. It seems cooler because it's overcast.
Daniel Dopp
Did you leave earlier today when it wasn't 68? Maybe that's what it was.
Field Yates
Well, it's gonna rain all day and also notably my kids wake up at like butt crack of dawn.
Daniel Dopp
That's fair.
Field Yates
So when we get up in the morning and they want to go outside to let the dog out, it's often quite cool. Even when it's middle of July, it's a little. Sometimes a little brisk. It is. When it's late September, it is definitely brisk. So yes, I digress. But I'm wearing a long sleeve T shirt. A long sleeve shirt, I should say, on the show. Give me some slack, will you? Thank you.
Daniel Dopp
I will say this.
Field Yates
I think I'm just going to start dressing really formally for Fantasy Focus now.
Daniel Dopp
You think so?
Field Yates
Shirt and tie every day.
Daniel Dopp
That's kind of the vibe of the show, right? Yeah.
Mike Clay
I'm trying to move more toward Daniel.
Daniel Dopp
I like it. Just T shirts and jeans and we'll.
Mike Clay
Be Good to go on here and I'm set.
Daniel Dopp
That's business, actually. Letting a dog out. You just mentioned this and I'll move on after this. We'll get. We got a lot of football. We're going to talk about week four. A bunch of puzzling players for our rankings to do. Keep bench cut. We're going to do fielding some concerns as well as maybe a mailbag. So we got a lot of fun stuff. There's nothing worse though than waking up in the morning and having your dogs or dog just be like, I need to go outside, but it is soaking wet because you know that first thing in the morning when they come back in, I've got to do a full towel down. And sometimes it takes a lot longer than others.
Field Yates
It's not fun.
Daniel Dopp
It's not.
Field Yates
It's not fun.
Mike Clay
And yeah, yeah.
Daniel Dopp
Anyways, it's.
Field Yates
It's. It's often cold smells sometimes. My dog always smells when he comes back wet. Yeah, it's not ideal. My dog also, he's a golden retriever. He's extremely dirty. He already drops enough fur around the house. Oh, yeah, double that with the mud. Not ideal.
Daniel Dopp
Not ideal.
Field Yates
Anyways, football.
Daniel Dopp
All right, let's talk about a couple of football things, but first and foremost, shout out to our friends over at Trophy Smack. Use the promo code focus10@trouple smack.com to be able to get some great stuff over there for your league. Let's dive into the most puzzling players to rank in week four. We each brought a handful to the table field. I'm going start with you.
Field Yates
Okay. So this is going to be a little bit of a curveball to start because where we're ranking him isn't necessarily that much lower than where he normally is, if lower at all.
Mike Clay
Look at me. I'm puzzled.
Field Yates
To begin the season. Mike is already puzzled. But I want to have a bit of a conversation about this player. It's Brock Bowers to start. Right. So what's it going to fall down to? Like at the worst, tight end, 2, 3 maybe in your rankings, right? Yeah.
Mike Clay
He plummeted from 1 to 2.
Field Yates
So it's not so much to me, it's hard to figure out where Brock Bowers deserves to be in the tight end hierarchy. It's more that we are already wondering whether Brock Bowers being drafted at a premium was a mistake. Because part of the reasons that we discussed for drafting Brock Bowers extremely high after 112 catches last season is the idea that him and Trey McBride could easily outpace the rest of the tight end field. Right. So if you're going to pay a big price for these players, they need to be worth the gap between the costs you could have used on a Sam laporta, Tucker Kraft, Joanne Johnson. For like the four people that knew that Joanne Johnson was going to have a zillion targets in three games. And he hasn't been that so far. And I think we can attribute a lot of this to. He's got to be hurt. He's hurt. I mean, he's playing this knee injury that he suffered late in Week 1 against the Patriots. We had over a hundred receiving yards on just five catches. The past two games have not been as dominant for Brock Bowers. The target chair is fine. The total target number is fine. Again, you're not going to bench Brock Bowers. It's more. So how long is this going to linger? Is this going to be something that nags for half a season? Because we get a half season worth of just okay, Brock Bowers. The truth will be that using a second or third round pick was bad business.
Mike Clay
Yeah, I'm with you. I will say this.
Field Yates
He.
Mike Clay
His route participation last week was 88%. So when they're throwing the football, he's on the field. And I was a little nervous in the first quarter in week one when he was not when he was being out snapped by Michael Mayer, that. That switched quickly. And then he kind of got rolling in the second half, ended up with eight targets in that game, over 100.
Field Yates
Mayor's hurt now.
Mike Clay
And then got hurt.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
And now Mayor's hurt. You're right. So you're right. It really is just the whole thing. I don't think we made a mistake drafting him where we took him. You can't predict injuries for the most part. So as long as he gets back healthy, it'll pay off. But you're right, I mean, looking at it as from an outcome perspective. Yeah. I mean, if he's not healthy, it's going to be a problem.
Field Yates
So going into the season, Mike, I'm very process oriented. Right. But once we actually play the games, I'm very results oriented. So maybe it was a mistake drafting him as high as we did.
Mike Clay
Well, that's not how you.
Daniel Dopp
That's not how it works.
Field Yates
Yes, it is.
Mike Clay
Over results.
Field Yates
No, Mike, you mean Mr. Pragmatic over there. That's me with Brock Bowers on a couple of the teams that, yeah, I drafted. There's a league I play in. I think I've mentioned this to you guys off the show, but There's a league I play in where we do a weekly spin the wheel for a punishment. It's slightly, just slightly more aggressive.
Mike Clay
We do that on the show.
Daniel Dopp
You're talking about our show or are you talking about a different show?
Field Yates
Slightly more aggressive than the starts of the week that we're going to spend the wheel on later on this week. So you really don't want to have that punishment hit. You and I drafted in the first three rounds, Justin Jefferson, Brock Bowers and Josh Allen thinking that what I could do was basically secure a high floor every week because I had maybe tight end one, maybe wide receiver one and maybe quarterback one.
Mike Clay
Yeah. Field admitting to playing scared. Yeah. He doesn't care if he finishes 11th out of 12 as long as he's not 12.
Field Yates
It's 14 teams. Yes. As long as I'm not. Yeah. 14th out of 14, I'm good. Yes. In a given week. I mean honestly it's, it's been frustrating. So again, I just want you to know I have not.
Mike Clay
Oh ok. Hanging in there.
Field Yates
But my team is own three so it still sinks. Stinks. But the whole like draft Isaiah Pacheco plan in that league hasn't worked for me even. But I will just say this is Brock again. He's not any lower than tight end 2. I believe in anybody's rankings this week, especially because no one's emerged that you're saying to yourself, hey this guy's soared so high. Sam Laporta is just crushing it for the Lions or whoever it might be. That being said, it has been a disappointing three two games in back to back weeks for Brock Bowers no doubt.
Daniel Dopp
Sure has been. All right, Mike, you're up next.
Mike Clay
Mine, mine. Avert your eyes and ears. Daniel Dodd. Chase Brown. Chase Brown's a tricky one right now, especially with we're going to talk about this a lot over the next few days and Sunday on FF. Now the running back to range right now is just loaded. It's so hard to distinguish between like 13 and honestly you can go almost to 30 because that's like where someone like Travis Etienne is.
Field Yates
Right. Can I ask, when you say loaded do you mean that like in a positive way or. We have a lot of options mix.
Mike Clay
Of both because you have guys that have fallen into that tier like Ashton Genty and Chase Brown obviously and then you have ascenders from due to injuries like a Trey Benson for example. Cam Scatterbo ETNs I would say on the back end of that conversation but it's, it's it's tough to sort these guys out. And that's what makes Chase Brown tricky because you could say, all right, this guy is, is playing two thirds of the snaps. He's handled 80% of their called runs so far this season. He rested, they wrote, they rotated a little bit on Sunday, but He did play 24 of the first 37 snaps. So he's still the feature back in this offense. We know he has pass catching skills, but on the other hand, he's a one touchdown earlier this season.
Field Yates
He's 93 yards drive, by the way. Yeah.
Mike Clay
Two yards per carry on the season, 43 yards and 11 targets. So that's been awful as well. Also good matchup this week again, Sen. We're back to back terrible games against the run. Jonathan Taylor two weeks ago and Marion Hampton at 24 points this past week. So there's some pluses, there's some minuses, but then you're trying to figure out, do you rank them on the high end of this running back two group as like RB15 or something or do you. Or you can easily. You just move them down a little bit. You could sink him all the way down to 27 and then he's not even startable.
Field Yates
Look at this guy. Look at this guy.
Mike Clay
There's just so many.
Daniel Dopp
Oh, running back 27. That's where Field's got him at. That's amazing.
Mike Clay
Exactly. Right? So there's.
Daniel Dopp
Did you not, did you not look at the screen before you said that?
Mike Clay
I did not. Total coincidence. Felt like you were initializing the rankings. It's just, it's such a wide gap. And this applies to Trey Benson and Jordan Mason and all these guys. I mean, I saw a lot of people, like I saw their reaction on Social, which was like, Jordan Mason, after what we saw on Sunday, clearly in the RB fringe. RB1 conversation or good RB2? Trey. Trey Benson, Same kind of thing. Cam Scatterbo. Same kind of thing. I'm like, I don't know, like you need it all to be up there in the front of the front end of the RB2. You have to have a pass catching role and a rushing role and potential goal line work because it's so crowded right now. So Chase Brown is. I think you can make a case to not start him.
Field Yates
Can I give you guys both like a baby name game right here? Because you've hit on a lot of.
Mike Clay
This is good. This is what I'm talking about. I don't know, like, that's the story of the week.
Field Yates
I feel like so like that's like just knee jerk reaction. Not like, hey, oh my God, like my very nuanced take. You must do that versus this because I believe the way in which Chase Brown would be out of your lineup because when he's on the fringe of being a top 20 running back, then that's the conversation you're having. Start him or not start him. The way that. In which Chase Brown is nodding your lineup is you drafted a solid second running back. Just whatever you have Alvin Camara, who hasn't been perfect, but you know somebody in that, like, of course you probably.
Mike Clay
Have to start two top 20 running backs.
Field Yates
Most teams you have, you also drafted Bucky Irving or something. Right. And you're continuing to start Bucky and then you kind of either got lucky or nailed the draft pick or a play in nailing a draft pick or somebody got hurt. And that has led to third running back being in the next category.
Mike Clay
I'm going to give you a lot of those. There's a lot of those. Yeah, there are.
Field Yates
So let's just, just quickly, like if I. I'll give you the name of the player. You can choose this player or you can have Chase Brown ready.
Daniel Dopp
Devonte Williams this week against Green Bay. I'd rather have Chase Brown.
Mike Clay
Yeah, I have them like back to back, but yeah, Chase Brown.
Field Yates
Okay. Cam Scatter. Boo.
Mike Clay
Scoutaboo.
Daniel Dopp
I think I'd have Cam Scatter.
Mike Clay
Trey Ben, no Tracy there. Benson. Man, I have Chase like two spots ahead. I know I do.
Daniel Dopp
I think I would have Chase Brown still. But it's like if. I wouldn't be shocked if I changed that heading into next week.
Mike Clay
Yeah, these guys are all toss up J.K. dobbins. I'm going Dobbins.
Daniel Dopp
I think I would.
Mike Clay
Big rushing workload.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, I think I would do Dobbins as well. It's clearly his backfield.
Field Yates
There's. There's four there four options that just I think are reasonable names that you could have as your third running back. That might now be your RB2 if you want to put Chase Brown in the timeout.
Mike Clay
It's kind of like, you know, we, we sometimes joke about like fringe tight M1 or flex option. There's like an enor of them and there's so many like solid RB2s right now.
Field Yates
So.
Mike Clay
Yeah, and we have to rank them. We have to pick through these guys. And I'm telling you from I, we at some point we should just list them off because I didn't even mention like Quinn, Sean Judkins, like there's I can go on and on.
Field Yates
Another good one I could have.
Mike Clay
I'm like 12 to 30. I'm not joking. It's like all the same guy.
Daniel Dopp
And this is a situation. You talk about being able to get passing game work. You talk about being able to get goal line work. Nobody has more carries inside the five yard line this year than Chase Brown. It's just that he had like five of them all in a row.
Mike Clay
Because he didn't drive. Yes.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
So you know, he was getting some of the goal and work only 11 targets. I think through the first three games. That's not going to make things easier. And doesn't it just feel like defenses are just going to have an easier time with the Bengals now without Joe Burrow being under center is going to.
Field Yates
Go away when Joe Burrow is not playing. So I think that the headline here is not yet a clear cut bench, but in the conversation.
Mike Clay
Yeah. And by the way, I just want to say this. He does have an, like I just said, outstanding matchup this week. This is going to be a big test because I feel like if they can't move the ball on the ground, they're probably like, we need to something else. Because I don't think it's Samaj P. Ryan. I think it's Taj Brooks. They might have to look elsewhere.
Field Yates
The two guys that got them pretty good over the past two weeks are such dissimilar players to Chase Brown.
Mike Clay
Right.
Field Yates
Jonathan Taylor and Mario Hampton are like these guys are wagons. Chase Brown is like a sports car. Right. Like so. I'm not so sure the Bengals rushing attack is set up to succeed like the Colts and the Broncos were.
Mike Clay
If you had the Chargers.
Daniel Dopp
Excuse me, Say that Cam Scatter Boo was a kind of vehicle. Which kind of car would you think?
Field Yates
A pickup truck. That's got a lot of miles on it.
Mike Clay
Right?
Daniel Dopp
That's fair. Yeah.
Field Yates
A lot of miles on it or like a. Like a tractor.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, that's. I think that's where we're at. So you had mentioned as a part of this RB2 conversation came scatterboo. He's one of the guys that I think is really difficult for me to rank as well this week.
Mike Clay
Okay.
Daniel Dopp
Not a lot of constants in the equation. And that's part of this. Right. Obviously, no Tyrone Tracy. So he's going to take over that backfield by himself. But we also had a quarterback change. Jackson Dart is going to be the starting quarterback now. I wonder what that's just going to do in general to the Giants offense. So I look at what Cam Scatter Boo has done. Week two, 13.9 fantasy points, got in the end zone, had a couple of catches. Week three, 24 fantasy points, 10 for 60 and a touchdown. Plus six catches for 61 yards. It feels like the positive is he's going to get the goal line work. He's the only Giants running back with any carries inside the.
Field Yates
If they do get to the goal.
Daniel Dopp
Line, if they get down to the goal line. That's a big if right now.
Mike Clay
They might now. I mean if dart's a real deal, they might get there more often.
Daniel Dopp
Fingers crossed. That's what we're hoping for. Right. So he's also going to be a pass catcher. We know that. He's a good pass catcher, the backfield and he's going to get the opportunity. So I love all of those positives. That feels, that feels great. Especially with the glut of like RB2s that we have a hard time distinguishing in the middle.
Field Yates
Sure.
Daniel Dopp
The negatives for me are the matchup. Don't love the matchup against the Chargers.
Field Yates
Don't.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, they've. They've been okay. They haven't played like a ton of great running backs, but they played the Chiefs. Chiefs running backs. I just, I don't even know how to judge what the Chiefs running backs are anymore.
Mike Clay
They're not good.
Field Yates
Don't judge.
Daniel Dopp
They played Ashton Genty and either they shut down Ashton Genti or Genti might not be what we thought he was to start the season. Raiders offensive line. And then he played J.K. dobbins and like they did pretty. The Chargers did pretty well against Dobbins.
Field Yates
So got going in the second half with that long run.
Mike Clay
Sure.
Field Yates
Yes.
Daniel Dopp
Yep. But there is this. With this matchup and the uncertainty of what this offense is going to look like with a quarterback under center, it's like, all right, we got a couple of new pieces that makes it tough to be able just to prognosticate moving forward in this week. How high is too high for him? Because I could put him a bunch ahead of a bunch of these struggling running backs that you just mentioned.
Mike Clay
Yeah.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
So I think that's why it was so hard for me to be able to rank him. I could have them inside my top 20. I could also have him outside my top 25 if I still felt like I needed to hang tight with some of those guys.
Field Yates
But funny how like when guys lose momentum where they from, like their priors in the case of Chase Brown, like a top eight running back to like a borderline top 20 running back, whereas a guy gains momentum from like, you know, RB40 to like RB22. It's almost like you have to start Cam Scottaboo over Chase Brown. Like that's where your brain goes to because it's like one.
Daniel Dopp
How quickly do you buy into an ascension before you give up on a descension that's like you're trying to thread the needle.
Field Yates
And I think that in fantasy we're prone to pick the guy who might continue to do what he has done as opposed to buck trends. Right? So I think if people have that dilemma, I wouldn't be surprised if many are choosing Scatterboo over Chase Brown. Do you know, Mike? Maybe you know, do you know how many snaps Devin Singletary played after Tyler and Tracy went down?
Mike Clay
I. I don't remember the number off top. I did look it up, but I don't have enough stuff.
Field Yates
You were good for nothing.
Daniel Dopp
Is it zero?
Mike Clay
He was.
Field Yates
No, no, no.
Mike Clay
He played okay.
Field Yates
He played.
Mike Clay
I don't know what it was.
Field Yates
I think that is a question that I do have as sometimes how a coach handles a game when an injury takes place during the game versus how a coach handles the game with a week of preparation can be different. So I am optimistic on cam scatterboo. He's RB23 for me.
Daniel Dopp
23, you say?
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Mike Clay
Okay, yeah, I'm at 20. I'm a little higher.
Field Yates
I wouldn't be surprised though if like fourth touch of the game is Devin Singletary's. It might frustrate us and I have. There's zero value to me in Singletary in your lineup. The value in Singletary is what he takes away, if at all from Scatterboo.
Mike Clay
Yeah, I think and based on what we've seen from Scatterbo the last two weeks, I think he'll be busy enough that he'll be higher than you guys. I think if I had him I'd be hard pressed to probably bench him this week. I think I I'd find a way to get him into his lineup. But like I said, you have so many options in that range you might have. You know there's. There's teams out there that are struggling at running back has injuries. There's others that are like I have five starters. Yeah actually it might be a good week to go trade hunting this this week either way either if you have too many or too few. Totally 100% I have that is I have a league where we start we have an extra flex and I have Trey Benson so I got myself another flex for the rest of the season or RB2 and I jcm now as a bench option and I lost burrow so I went after and traded Cross key Mayor For Drake May, the guy that had a good starter.
Field Yates
So I want to play in leagues with people like that.
Mike Clay
Well, I mean, he's. He's his backup. I mean, May is probably what a fringe qb. One jcm for him.
Field Yates
One of the topics of a starting option would be Drake May.
Daniel Dopp
Do you know, just to be able to put a pin on this, do you know in which quarter Tyrone Tracy got hurt, give or take?
Field Yates
First. First quarter after 13 snaps.
Daniel Dopp
Okay, so just for what it's worth, in the second half, he played eight snaps in the second half. Combined one carry for four yards. He played 14 total snaps after Tyrone Tracy got hurt.
Field Yates
Yes. It's going to be mostly the stat, of course.
Mike Clay
Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
All right, field, you're up next.
Field Yates
The next player is one that I'm going to venture a guess. All three of us brought to the table under different circumstances. I don't think it would be that complicated. I think the answer would be great to have you back, get warmed up on the bench, and hopefully in two or three weeks we are playing you. But that's not the case anymore. It's Chris Godwin's on my list. Your Bucs wide receiver who sounds like he's going to play on Sunday. The Bucks played the Jets. It's. I'm sorry. The Bucks played the Eagles in a big, big NFC matchup. Yep. I think I saw the real feels going to be like 110 degrees in Tampa, by the way, on Sunday.
Mike Clay
Yikes. It's Chris Godwin T shirt weather for you field.
Field Yates
Presumptive debut of the season in the season. But Mike Evans is going to miss multiple games. It was reported yesterday. We can talk about that. Let's use this as like a jumping off point. Talk about all the Bucks receivers. Mecca. Buca's banged up. He played 57% of the snaps last week. Dead Buca. Bucks kind of need Jaylen McMillan. Right? Like, I mean, they kind of. Geez, that was terrible. The Bucks kind of need Chris Godwin this weekend.
Mike Clay
Well, both of them. I would be.
Field Yates
I mean, so like, you know, prepare to like, learn to speak. You know, Sterling Shepard right now. He's going to have like eight targets this Sunday.
Mike Clay
I was just going to. Yeah.
Field Yates
So under different circumstances, I would just say bypass Chris Godwin this week. I'll have him as wide receiver. 52 or something because of the situation. He moved a little bit up for me. I still have real hesitation using Chris Godwin on Sunday. Yeah.
Mike Clay
I'm hoping we get a report on this. And you almost took word for Word at like what I wrote in the Playbook about Chris Godwin, which is like, without Mike Evans and without Jaylen McMillan and, you know, a book is obviously a lineup block. But for Godwin, you know, in theory, he has a path to a major role. However, probably going to be limited in his return. So I'd be hesitant to put in my line, that's almost exactly what I wrote, or it is what I wrote in the Playbook. So I'm with you.
Field Yates
And on top of that, it does start the conversation about a really interesting thing that probably won't be a reality for maybe a month until now. But let's assume that Mike Evans comes back within a month. Chris Godwin's warmed up within a month. What does it mean for the value of all three of these guys? Emeka Abouka and Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, can all three of them hold value? Allah the Chargers wide receivers right now or not?
Mike Clay
I'm glad you said this, because what I was just thinking about was that it's been a perfect storm for Abuka's fantasy value, like his path to targets like we talked about when he was drafted. Okay, it might be fantasy loser. Yeah, exactly. It's going to take a little time. Like, maybe he's great in 2026, but this year is. It's going to be inconsistent. You know, we were like, we need Godwin maybe to not start the season and then maybe another injury. And that's exactly what has happened for him so far. I think that what's tricky about this is that I think the. What's. What's the expression? Like the, the genie's out of the bottle. Like the cat's out of the bag. Like, yeah, he is not going anywhere. He's not going away. He's either going to continue to be a fantasy starter or he's gonna be really annoying for Godwin and Mike Evan. So I think what's going to happen is Chris Godwin. It's probably going to take him a little while to ramp up, but at some point should get over 20% of the targets and be a fantasy starter. He's just too good. If he's his old self, he's going to be. He was wide receiver two last year. Mike Evans, I think is going to take a hit in terms of overall targets when he comes back. I think he might fall short of 20 and just be hit for touchdowns here or there, but kind of be like first month of last season, Mike Evans, where it's like, not as good and then a Book, I think, is going to have a role as well. He's just not going to go anywhere. They're just not going to throw to the tight ends at all, which they haven't already this season. Much like the Chargers, it is a high scoring offense. It's going to score a lot of touchdowns. So I think when all is said and done, we're going to be starting all three guys. Yeah, but it's going to be a little. It's going to be a little boom.
Field Yates
Bust on top of the perfect storm that you mentioned. Circumstantially for Emeku Buka. He's also scored a touchdown in every game this year. Yes, he has.
Mike Clay
And that's not going to continue. Obviously he's been amazing.
Field Yates
Right. But he has, you know, 21 targets for three games. He just, the profile almost feels like a guy who's getting 12 targets a game right now and he's awesome. It just maybe there's a touch of regression eventually coming his way.
Daniel Dopp
Does that mean, can I ask if that's the case? If you think that a touch of regression is coming with a book?
Field Yates
Not yet.
Daniel Dopp
Okay. Maybe in a few weeks.
Field Yates
I think you can't do it now because he needs to be the number, number one wide receiver until, until Chris back healthy, Chris Gowan's healthy or both.
Mike Clay
Look, if he's wide receiver six, four weeks from now and Evans is coming back full and Godwin's clearly playing well, I would definitely be shopping around because he might be wide receiver 19 the rest of the season, but not going to be a top five or top ten receiver. So I would definitely monitor that for a month.
Field Yates
Last thing I want to say before we get to Mike's next next pick is did you guys want to add anything to the news about Jackson Dart being named the giant starter? Like, does it move the needle much for Malik Neighbors?
Mike Clay
For either of you, I feel more optimistic. I know I obviously it's clear why they made this move. I'm optimistic that if they feel this strongly about it, not only did you know is he starting now like he won the two job initially, it's not like this is a redshirt season. Like they're, they obviously think they have something here and that gives me hope that that's going to move the needle for the do they think they have.
Daniel Dopp
Something or do they think they just don't want to put Jameis Winston on the.
Mike Clay
No, I think they think they have something.
Field Yates
I mean they and they do they, you know, first round pick, you know this is kind of the guy that has a chance to maybe salvage, not just. I don't think the season is going to be salvage in the wins and losses department. They play the Chargers on Sunday.
Daniel Dopp
It's the eye test. You need to see like the team looks competitive.
Field Yates
Help keep the GM and head coaches job.
Daniel Dopp
Yes.
Field Yates
Mike, do you. I know you have this incredible document you were showing me before the show. Can you track Malik Neighbor's average depth of target right now?
Mike Clay
Is that. Yeah. For. For what so far this season. So is that. Yeah.
Field Yates
Yeah, yeah. Because I would bet.
Mike Clay
Keep talking.
Field Yates
I'll pull it would bet that Malik Neighbors adot is way up this year compared to where it was last season. And the reason why I bring that up and if the stat proves me wrong, I'll be an idiot. But you ready? Yep.
Mike Clay
It's almost double last year. That's nine and a half up to 16.6.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
So yards per catches up from 11 to 15.7. Yards per target is actually up this year. But as you can guess, catch rate 64 down to 50.
Field Yates
50. So we. One of the things, you know, it's like an old saying with. With young quarterbacks, you bring them in, you make things comfortable for that player. How do you do that? You know, some of the easy throws, screens to running backs, maybe some stuff at or near the line of scrimmage from a leak Neighbors would be logical to help Drake. Let's call him Bo and Drake.
Daniel Dopp
That's amazing.
Field Yates
Jackson Dart. He's like unique name from these SEC quarterbacks, at least in the case of Bo originally.
Daniel Dopp
And is there concerned that with what you're describing is just the Wandell Robinson role in this offense?
Field Yates
I don't think so. We saw this from Malik Neighbors last year. He was just getting peppered with targets left and right. So I'm actually hoping that Malik Neighbors, even though we saw the upside two weeks ago with Russell Wilson, it's just a little bit of a steadier sale the rest of the way. Yeah.
Mike Clay
Some PPR leagues we want more of these, you know, short range, high percentage targets. And in standard leagues you kind of like this because I just look glancing at the numbers here, last year 50% of his targets were short of the sticks. This year it's 28%. So everything's just like, yeah, yeah. Which is good for big plays but bad for PPR fantasy points.
Daniel Dopp
All right, Mike Clay, you're up next with your second most puzzling guy.
Mike Clay
I love this one. I feel like last week we. This was. This is like the Week 3 Troy Franklin Award. Okay. Last week it was Troy Franklin. This week it's Trey Tucker. And this one's really fascinating to me because we have him ranked like I have him 38th. I think our consensus is like 41. The guy is fourth in fantasy points at wide receivers right now. But. And we're. Yeah. So obviously big last week. 145 yards, three touchdowns, nine targets. But here's the thing, you know, I'm looking a little deeper because I'm like, is there, you know, is it just like he had five targets the first two games and then nothing. But that's not the case. He had a touchdown in week one. He had eight targets in week two. He's played 92% of the snaps. But then last year he played 88% of the snaps and he averaged seven and a half fantasy points per game. The only thing I could think of here in terms of optimism is this guy was a four or a third round pick two years ago. And it used to be the role with receivers. Used to be year three. Maybe he's turning the corner. Maybe there's something here. They obviously have a better quarterback now.
Field Yates
Yeah. And a great matchup this week.
Mike Clay
Yeah. And a great matchup. Yeah. Most touchdowns, fourth most fantasy points receivers for the Bears this year. So. Or so far this season.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
So maybe there's something here, you know, maybe it's a connection.
Daniel Dopp
Are they just giving up on the two rookies that they drafted to be the guys behind Japan Myers right now?
Field Yates
Yes, yes. I'm for best, for sure. Like, and I made this point earlier, Ashton Genty, they're not giving up on. Obviously that's not the offensive line. The off the offensive line has given up on Ashton Genty. This is the oldest head coach in NFL history. He was not hired in his own brain to like navigate this long Runway where hey, five years from now the Raiders are going to be plucky. Right. Like they cut multiple draft picks down at the cut down and they cut guys who were like so obviously developmental players. Right. Like I'm going on a bit of a tangent here. The Raiders will play who's the best player. That's what they will do full stop. I've been, I thought about him, I added him in a deep league, Mike. And I'm like, man, I might have to start this guy. Or I'm league where I have Wondale Robinson, Xavier Worthy, that one. That answer answered itself, that dilemma answered itself last week. And Chat was right because Worthy didn't play. But like Now Trey Tucker vs. Wanda Robinson vs. Xavier Worthy, who's going to be limited and feels kind of like Trey Tucker might be the pick here. I'm going to throw that one to chat later on this week as well. But yeah, he's really interesting.
Mike Clay
Yeah, it's a tough, good guy. It's tough to bench the wide receiver for in fantasy after he just scored three touchdowns. And you're right, he could have three for 30 this week. It's happened before and he'll probably have some duds, but I don't know if they're going to throw the ball.
Field Yates
He knows his first catch, even the second quarter last week. I was looking at this yesterday or this morning. It was his first target too. But to Mike's point, he is tied. Tied with Jacob Myers from most wide receiver snaps played last week. He's an every down player, so he's a fascinating one. Daniel, what do you got?
Daniel Dopp
My next one is a big name.
Field Yates
Okay.
Daniel Dopp
He hasn't topped six targets so far this year.
Mike Clay
Oh, no.
Daniel Dopp
Been held under three or fewer catches in back to back games. Travis Kelsey, it just does. It's not. It just doesn't feel like he is startable unless he finds the end zone and it's Marvin Hansen.
Mike Clay
I knew you were gonna. I knew it. Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
I just can't fully quit him yet, though. This is the hard part. He's wide receiver 34 taken on the Seahawks this week. There's a part of me and this is not. This is not a stat thing. Okay. I'm throwing stats out the window. That can be Mike's job here. All right? If you want to throw stats onto.
Mike Clay
This, you can throw stats. I gotcha.
Daniel Dopp
But I just can't quit him yet. We're three games into his second season. We had such high expectations for this guy. I still believe in this untapped potential that Marvin Harrison Jr. Has. Have we seen it materialize yet? Absolutely not. But I also watch him on the field and I think to myself, he's clearly not 100% there. He's not there mentally, physically, there's no issue. Physically he is. Yes. But the idea of like him putting it together on the field, I am not ready with the pedigree that he has. The draft day investment that you had in him, the draft day investment the Cardinals had in him. We're only three games into season two. I can't quit him yet. And yet I look at him in my lineup and I say to myself, I don't want to start this guy anymore.
Field Yates
Totally. Why would you want to.
Daniel Dopp
It doesn't feel good unless he gets in the end zone. Like he's a touchdown dependent wide receiver at this point. It doesn't feel good. So I've got him as wide receiver 34. Even though he's taken on the Seahawks this week. I think this is a situation in which you could easily make. Would you rather play Trey Tucker or Marvin Harrison Jr.
Field Yates
This week?
Mike Clay
I have Harrison a little higher, but only by three spots.
Daniel Dopp
That's disgusting.
Mike Clay
Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I hear you. I. Look, I went to the table for him last week and it didn't go well. I will say this, if he catches that one pass, he probably scores a 70 yard touchdown. And maybe the conversation is a little different. It probably shouldn't be different, but that's a problem. Performance has been a problem. He's not making plays he needs to be making and, and that's a concern for me. So I'm, I'm more worried now than I was last week just because he has to play better football. Like, is this a. Are we. Is this little Quan Treadwell situation? Like, I mean, is he like. I mean, that was a guy who. Same thing. I mean, you couldn't, you couldn't listen to anything without hearing about Treadwell on Saturday, about how he was dominating college football and he was the best thing to ever happen and it was his next super superstar and the sure thing. And it didn't work in the pros. And I don't know, it's just. I hope I'm wrong about this.
Field Yates
I like the Kyle Pitts analogy better, Mike. I feel like it's, you know, just hits a little harder. But tread will also work.
Mike Clay
That would be. Well, Pitts would be better than a better out.
Field Yates
Better.
Mike Clay
Yeah, Maybe not because Treadwell, we knew pretty quickly. Don't start this guy in fantasy pits. We keep flirting with this offense.
Daniel Dopp
Still, it's interesting too, because with no James Conner anymore, we're going to have Trey Benson. So the offense is inherently going to look a little bit different. I don't know. Right? You don't think so?
Mike Clay
I don't.
Field Yates
I think it looked just.
Daniel Dopp
I think it might look more efficient.
Mike Clay
Disrespect to James Conner. How dare you.
Daniel Dopp
Trey Benson's averaging six yards of carry. The guy's got juice. You can see it when he touches the ball.
Mike Clay
That was that big. That was. That one run too, is a huge.
Field Yates
I like Trey, but I'm more like, it'll look like James Connor's offense or whatever. It will look the same he will have I think. Just think between like the big long run which kind of skews the data and the fact that he was playing whatever 35% of the snaps, it's a little harder to stay fresh and explosive when you're playing, you know, 65 or.
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All right. Anyways, do we have any quick honorable mentions you want to get to real fast?
Field Yates
My four were Kyler Murray, Alvin Kamara, Decaylan Metcalf and Travis Kelly Kelsey.
Mike Clay
I also had Dalton Kincaid, Drake May.
Daniel Dopp
Mark Andrews and I had Xavier Worthy because I feel like I just I'm in a I need to see it before I trust it kind of situation.
Field Yates
Yeah. Wide receiver 40 and I. I did.
Mike Clay
Say he's gonna be limited though, right?
Field Yates
So they didn't say that.
Daniel Dopp
No, we are.
Field Yates
Nate Taylor was sort of saying like our who our new Chiefs reporter who stated that like, you know, he is hearing they'll probably limit him in the first.
Mike Clay
Right. Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
So get ready for more. Taekwond Thornton all right, let's dive into keep bench cut. A little game we're going to play and Mike Clay, I'm going to start with you.
Field Yates
Fire away.
Mike Clay
All right. I'm going to keep ready. You know, sometimes we say cover your ears. Hold on.
Field Yates
I think. Isn't it. Are you hitting it to us and we get to vote or are you just picking one Keep one bench, one cut. Oh.
Mike Clay
Oh. I don't know.
Daniel Dopp
That's a great question. I had to.
Mike Clay
I just picked mine.
Daniel Dopp
But I did a keep a bench and a cut.
Field Yates
Okay, Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.
Mike Clay
So, you know, sometimes we say cover years. Don't do that this time because I'm going to say keep Jamison Williams. I'm going to stick with Jameson Williams. Close, slow start. 8 for 174 and a touchdown so far this season. Had that big game in Week 2, but otherwise under seven fantasy points. Hasn't cleared five targets in a game. I know I said don't cover yours.
Daniel Dopp
But I'm saying a lot of no, that's all right.
Mike Clay
That's okay. 13% target share down from 18% last year. But here's the thing. Here's the positive. His route participation is 96%. So when they're throwing the ball he is not left to field. That's up from last year. It's a career high. Also.
Daniel Dopp
96%.
Mike Clay
96%. So he's always out there. 34% of the air yards as well, which is also a career high. They need to design more plays for him. I feel like there's just been no manufactured plays. Like he doesn't. I don't think he has a receiver screen. If he does, it's like one. They haven't really manufactured touches so far. They did pay him in the off season. So they're going to utilize him. They're going to find ways to get the ball in his hands. The Browns, by the way, this week, it might seem like not a great matchup after they just shut down the packers to an extent but. But they're kind of mid pack in terms of efficiency and they've allowed four touchdowns to receivers. They've just faced the second fewest attempts so far. So not worried about that. I think Williams is going to have several of those big games and his target share had a good floor last year. Like I think there's reason for optimism with him. So I say stay the course with Jameson Williams.
Field Yates
Okay. Keeping Jameson Williams. Who you benching? Who you got?
Mike Clay
I am benching. I have. I got. I had two benches on my list. I'll just keep them tight here. Travis Hunter and Calvin Ridley. My two benches here. Hunter. I'm curious. Funny enough, this is such a weird thing. We have to keep an eye on the health of Jerry and Jones. The corner for the Jags.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
Went out last week. Hunter played more on defense. His target share dropped. He only six targets. And then last week, Jones played like one snap. Hunter was full time on the perimeter corner and had three targets. So he hasn't had a good fantasy game yet. Might play a lot on defense. It's going to depend on the health of Jones. So for now, I'm benching him. I'm just not going to start him right now. I'm not going to drop a good.
Field Yates
Defense, by the way, right now they are.
Daniel Dopp
There's a part of me and I don't think that this quantifies, but there's a part of me that wonders if we see like more Travis Hunter on defense, could we potentially maybe unlock Brian Thomas Jr. More on offense because we just don't have as many options to get the ball.
Field Yates
You know, when you're three weeks into the season, a lot of things can certainly change. But something that's like way too logical, like Travis Hunter playing more defense, meaning better things for Brian Thomas Jr. Actually becomes illogical. Like, I don't know, like if he can't figure it out through three weeks, like, I don't know why, it's going to just change going forward. I certainly hope it will. I'm just not casting too much confidence because I feel like I've been burned for three straight weeks.
Daniel Dopp
I also had Calvin Ridley as one of my guys, Mike. But I was told that you got your list in first, so I'll let you give the reasons on Calvin Ridley.
Mike Clay
The advantages of being efficient, that's for sure. Yeah, look, he catches on 22 targets. So far he has been shadowed by Pat Sartan and Javarius Ward. That's tricky. He's only played three games. He's been shadowed by two of the better corners in the NFL. I'm keeping an eye on Derek Stingley's help this week. If he plays, he will shadow Calvin. Really? Most likely. If he doesn't, that opens up some opportunities here for Ridley. Makes him more of a viable flex. But ideally, based on this, start Calvin Ridley to my bench.
Field Yates
Ready for hot take. Question? Yes. If you could choose one Titans wide receiver to roster right now, who would it be?
Mike Clay
Calvin Ridley.
Field Yates
How close is it?
Mike Clay
I think it's not too close. I think Ridley will Get going.
Daniel Dopp
So if you, if I have to pick one, it would probably be Calvin Ridley. But I think that, I mean we've been talking him up field. You were on him all throughout the off season. Like Ella IO Manor looks like he is building chemistry with Cam Ward in a more significant way than Calvin Ridley. Now it helps that Calvin Ridley has been shadowed by two of the better corners. This might be one of those. Like if you're looking for the reason why he started slow and you maybe want to put in a trade offer for a guy that's not performing, kind of makes sense. But this offense isn't really an offense I'm trying to super invest in right now.
Field Yates
Manor is also a really interesting potential flyer in a deeper league just because the Titans traded Jarvis Brownlee yesterday which what does that matter. It's just a signal that this team is probably going to tear some stuff down and build around Cam Ward of the new blood. Of course IO Manor a fellow drafted rookie this year. I wonder if Calvin Ridley could be a name that pops up as a trade target. Interesting for team. I'm just. I don't.
Daniel Dopp
I don't.
Field Yates
I have no information. I just. I'm using logic here.
Daniel Dopp
Cam Ward. I just heard Field say Cam Ward and Alec IO Manor are going to be the Caleb Williams and Roma Dunes a next year in their sophomore scene.
Field Yates
As honestly I do. Like I, I do kind of think Cam's going to get there once he has better pieces around him. The ski we've seen so far, pretty nice.
Mike Clay
This is the first time I'm hearing field talk about Iron man or so I don't know. Is that a new name? I don't. That's your guy. It's your guy. It's a good call. We got my cut. Look, this one is going to be. You're going to be. You're going to roll your eyes a little bit because he wasn't rostering a ton of leagues but is a guy that I scooped up after a big week one and I thought maybe, maybe he's a breakout player this year. This week. No. Michael Pennock Jr. Oh that was like one of them like end of bench guys. Like maybe you know, look, he had 24 plus fantasy points in back to back games. The finale last year and then week one this year he ran a little bit at rushing touchdown week one, year two and you thought all right maybe we. Maybe it is. Maybe it's happening. It's been a disaster the last two weeks. 5.3 points against Minnesota and then 3.8 against Carolina. I will say this, the Panthers have been really good so far defensively much better than we thought. So maybe we're kind of sleeping on them as a defense. So maybe Pennix just got fell into that trap and then obviously Minnesota we know is a really good defense. You know, he was averaging. Pennix was almost 260 passing yards a game before the disaster the last two weeks, but only 8 rushing yards for the last two weeks. So when you lose the passing and you're not running, it's a problem. Maybe this week changes my mind. He plays Washington. They just got crushed by Gino and Jordan Love back to back 20 plus points. So I don't think he's dead in the water yet, but I think he's safe to cut right now, especially if you want to like I drop him and pick up Jackson dart. I was just going to say so yeah, I just. I just don't think you have to hold them now.
Field Yates
Okay.
Daniel Dopp
All right, I'm going to give you a handful here. I'll keep it quick. I also started with a Detroit lion because Sam Laporta is tight end 14 to start the season after we drafted him as a top five or six tight end. But I'm holding strong here. Lions spread the wealth. Not many teams can score 90 points in two games back to back. If you have an offense in which they move the ball as well as the Lions do, I'm going to be in on the pieces that are there. This is just part of the the thing that happens when you have a team that has so many mouths to feed. You're going to have some down weeks. I'm holding strong though on Sam Laporta, especially given the tight end position.
Field Yates
Okay. Like it.
Daniel Dopp
I am benching T. Higgins this week.
Mike Clay
Okay.
Daniel Dopp
Very definitely not dropping him, but he's averaging four targets a game. Yep, four targets a game seems bad. Jake Browning does not make this offense feel better. I was hoping that last week we would maybe see, especially because they were getting demolished, that we were going to see that like garbage time game script. It just didn't happen in the way that we had thought it was. I get it if you feel like you need to start them because it's like how do I not start a guy that I drafted as a high end wide receiver too? Over some of these guys that are clear. I may have added off of the waiver wire.
Field Yates
None of us are starting them this week.
Mike Clay
By the way, I will say this Chase and Higgins both had a big game against Denver last year. Chase Escaped Chase was shadowed by Pats or Tan, which I expect to happen again this week. And that could be good news for.
Daniel Dopp
That was going to be the question. So yeah, if, if you the the one silver lining this week could be potentially if he's going to Jamar Chase is going to see that certain shadow, then maybe Teigans can go off. But it just doesn't feel great. Vibes don't feel good right now. And since we need to see this offense do something otherwise, right now I am benching T. Higgins and I am cutting Stefan Diggs. Fields, you brought this up. I mean, yesterday I kind of pushed you on this because I think One of our YouTube questions was whether or not you should. I think someone should drop Stefan Diggs for Elek. I.O. manor, I think, was the question for.
Field Yates
It wasn't I.O. manor. It was. It was somebody further down the depth chart.
Daniel Dopp
Was it further down like Tory Horton?
Field Yates
Was it Horton?
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, that's who it was. Okay. And I didn't think, you know, for Tori Horton, I don't think that I would drop Stefan Diggs. But then I went through and I looked at a bunch of the numbers. I dove a little deeper. As Mike Clay says, things just don't feel good for Stefan Diggs. 15 targets through three games. No targets in the end zone. I'm not sure, like, I don't think he's the wide receiver, one of this offense. I just don't even know what he is. If you.
Field Yates
I think you will. Well, you finish and then we'll respond.
Daniel Dopp
He's got Kayshawn, Booty, Mack Hollins, Pop Douglas and Kyle Williams, and he has started atrociously.
Field Yates
He's also coming off of an acl. Right. So I just think this is part of the plan. Right. I mean, the Patriots kind of referenced this during the summer, even though he was not on the PUP list to begin training camp. They talked about how it's going to be a build for Stefan Diggs. And when you're his acl, by the way, took place like, what, week nine of last year? Yeah, it was middle of the season, so it wasn't like this was a Week one ACL tear where you think the player has a higher chance of looking like his normal self.
Daniel Dopp
At least we know he's the kind of guy that won't have a problem sitting on the bench or he'll keep his attitude in check if he's not out there getting snaps or anything like that.
Field Yates
He's an evolving man. He's going to be a dad Soon. Like, maybe he's just like, you know.
Daniel Dopp
He'S all ready a dad, isn't he?
Field Yates
I don't know. I don't know if he has children. Besides.
Mike Clay
Well, a new. He'll be.
Daniel Dopp
I. I think he definitely already has children. He will be a new dad now.
Field Yates
I know Tron Diggs does because he has those. That adorable son who used to love back in the day.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah.
Field Yates
Yeah. Okay. So there we go. I. It's been confirmed by our director, Brandy, that that Steph does have a child. But. Yeah, anyways, he's gonna be a dad again. Yeah, I'm fine. Like, I. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to come for someone's head if they draft Stefan Diggs for Torrey Horton. I would say in a vacuum, it's like I probably lean Diggs over Horton.
Daniel Dopp
I would too. I said that yesterday. Ali Gordon, I would consider a little bit more, however, if you need to drop somebody.
Field Yates
Yeah, I think Diggs has dropped a.
Mike Clay
Bull in our FF now league. He's the last player on my bench is Diggs right now. He's the guy. If I had to drop someone, I would, but I've been afraid to because I'm thinking, what if they're like, all right, week four. Now we're going to expand. We're going to, you know, open things up. Now you get your eight, nine targets, you're a full time player. But I do think he's been limited so far and that's the reason I'm holding.
Daniel Dopp
It's going to be tough for him to be able to get that kind of volume when Travion Henderson is going to touch the ball 35 times from here on out. Right, guys? Right, guys, Right.
Field Yates
He would have been a good player for puzzling player to rank this week.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, that would have been a good one. All right, field, give us yours.
Field Yates
So Mike had a player on his cut list that was like, you should just cut this player, Daniel. I think you had a player that is cuttable. If you need to add somebody else. My keep is Bo Nicks. It's been a really rough start so far this season and it's not necessarily that. Bo is different in some of the categories that matter. Like, he's still running the football a decent amount. He obviously has been throwing the football a lot. Bo is just not playing well. Bo is playing bad football so far. He is missing way too many gigantic opportunities in the passing game. I remember one of the themes of the preseason was the strum beat was like Sean Payton's talking him up. All the reporters are saying this guy's going to be, you know, this, that and the other but proved player. He has not been that so far. He needs to get it going in a hurry. Maybe, just maybe potential confidence builder on Monday night against a Cincinnati defense that has been better than what it was last year, but is not the same caliber as what this Colts defense now looks like what the Chargers defense looks like. And even with the Titans defense played like in the first two weeks of the season, my bench is Jerry Judy who The targets are fine 21 targets through three games for Jerry Judy, but just 10 catches on those 21 targets yet to find the end zone. The Broncos, the Browns, excuse me, are not going to be near the end zone all that often and it seems like the best functionality of their offense right now is the running game through Quinton Judkins and a lot of short opportunities for Harold Fannin and David and Joku, even Dylan Sampson all the way back in week one. So those downfield shots that I think are more effective for Jerry Judy are not going to be like as likely to hit my cut and he has drop a bull. I am not necessarily going out of my way to drop him. Is Keon Coleman. Maybe this is just deja vu all over again where he's a very talented player who in best ball. He might have five weeks where he's one of your top two highest scoring wide receivers but in the other 12 weeks he has three catches for 29 yards because the Bills throw the ball 35 times a game and 30 of those don't go in the direction of Keon Coleman and they get spread around Dalton Kincaid and Tyrell Shaver is going to get some. And of course Khalil Shakir Jackson Hosl gets a touchdown pass so James Cook.
Mike Clay
Scores all the touchdowns.
Daniel Dopp
Exactly.
Field Yates
Awesome so far. Yeah.
Mike Clay
Yeah. I think it's Coleman and Matthew Goldin I think are really similar in that we thought maybe, hey, maybe someone can establish himself as the one and it just hasn't happened so far. They just continue to rotate and that's kind of a I think we'll talk about him at some point this week. But kind of like the same thing with Dalton Kincaid. He's kind of on a high now, but you may just disappear when they decide to throw a touchdown to Knox or get to have a have a big Coleman week, you know, whatever it may be. So I'm with you. It's tough to trust any of those guys.
Daniel Dopp
Doesn't feel great right now. All Right. Those are our keep bench cuts for week four field. Why don't we field some concerns right now?
Field Yates
Let's do it. I get to put my interview hat. Who's your favorite interviewer of all time?
Daniel Dopp
James Lipton, inside the Actor Studio.
Field Yates
There you go. Okay.
Mike Clay
All right. Do you have an answer to that? Man, I don't know. I don't know if I have a good one.
Field Yates
Neither do I. I put you guys on the spot for a kind of obscure.
Daniel Dopp
I had a name literally ready to go.
Field Yates
Because you're smart.
Daniel Dopp
Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you.
Field Yates
I'm gonna go with James Lipton. No, I'm gonna go with. What's Sean's last name from Hot Ones? Shoot.
Daniel Dopp
Oh, yeah. John.
Field Yates
John.
Daniel Dopp
John. Isn't it just Hot Ones? Didn't he change his name legally to Hot Ones?
Mike Clay
Sean Evans.
Daniel Dopp
Sean Evans.
Mike Clay
I know who mine is. Daniel Dopp, the host of the Fantasy Poker Punch.
Field Yates
Well done.
Daniel Dopp
All right.
Field Yates
All right, so I'm gonna put my Daniel Dopp hat on here, and I got five questions for you guys. I don't need, like, you know, diatribes on.
Mike Clay
You know, take my dirty stats and you'll like it.
Field Yates
All right. For the near future, because I'm going to take you guys off the hook a little bit here. I don't need rest of season because I think there's a bit of peril when you ask about the rest of the season.
Daniel Dopp
Rest of season's a long time.
Field Yates
Three weeks. So much can change. But for the near future, call it two to four weeks. Like the Tyrone Tracy dislocated shoulder recovery window. Okay, how would you rank the three Chargers wide receivers? Not like wide receiver. 22, 28, 31. Just like 1, 2, 3.
Daniel Dopp
Yeah, go ahead, Mike.
Mike Clay
Well, I do want to give you some quick numbers on this, because I think this is interesting. So I'm ranking them 1, 2, 3 in a few categories. Okay, so you start with routes. It's McConkey, Johnson, Allen, in that order. And you're like, okay, McKenkie has the. But then you start to get, like, the routes are usable, but then you start to get the stuff that really matters. Right? So targets, Allen, Johnston, McConkey. Area yards, Johnston, Allen, McConkey. End zone, targets Johnson and Allen, F4. McConkey is zero. That's a problem. So for me, I think that we now have a sample. It's three games of exactly. Basically exactly the same thing. Three straight games.
Daniel Dopp
Yep.
Mike Clay
So for me, Johnson, Allen, McConkey.
Field Yates
Ooh, interesting.
Daniel Dopp
I was going to go Keenan, Allen, Quinton, Johnston and then lad McConkey.
Field Yates
It sucks to say this, but I agree with McConkey being number three. I would go with Keenan as well. We play in PPR scoring but yeah.
Daniel Dopp
Man doesn't feel good, man. Like we drafted him to be a legitimate wide receiver too for our squad. He's one of the guys that I thought about when I was doing the rankings. Hard guy to rank right now because I still have high expectations. But this offense has just looked different than what I think we expected.
Mike Clay
And I've said that, I said this last week. I think all three will be startable. So I'm not benching McConkey except maybe in like a 10 team league if you're really in a good spot. But it's just because they don't, they don't target the, the running backs or the tight ends like at all last week. Yeah, it's almost unheard. Yeah, a little bit, well, a little bit of GAD State in two last week, but nonetheless the target shares are so low there that I think they can feature three guys and keep them at least in the top 30, 35. So he'll have some better days. But again, the way he's being utilized now, it's not enough volume, it's not enough high, high value targets either.
Daniel Dopp
I know you don't want to die a tribe. I want a mono tribe for one second if you want.
Field Yates
I don't think mono and dire.
Daniel Dopp
That's not how that works. That's not what it is.
Mike Clay
Okay, I'm going to try a tribe.
Daniel Dopp
I just want watch tribe understanding with where we're at and where people drafted Lad McConkey. Yeah, I got a lot of disappointed. I mean we're all disappointed. Fantasy managers rostering lad McConkey right now. Do you think that through three weeks of the season that what you've seen from Quinton Johnson and Keenan Allen is long term enough that you wouldn't put in a buy low offer for lad McConkey? Or do you think because he started so poorly you think it's worth trying to go out and grab him while he's still the number three in this offense?
Field Yates
I have have not yet met a player that I wouldn't put a buy low offer into. So I'm the wrong person to ask that.
Daniel Dopp
Okay. You're like, I'd always at least try and see what happens.
Mike Clay
But I think, and I know there's a question coming up similar where you're like, I would be more likely to go after this guy and not maybe okay.
Daniel Dopp
That was my fault, guys.
Mike Clay
No, it's. But he. These guys aren't on that list. So I would, I would answer that question. I would say I'm not going out of my way to do it. I think he probably needs an injury. If, if Johnson or Allen missed time, then it's like, okay, yeah, game of conky might be top 15 again, but that's not the case right now.
Field Yates
All right. If you could buy low.
Daniel Dopp
Oh, I'm so sorry. I just.
Field Yates
I gave you the questions yesterday.
Mike Clay
Yeah.
Field Yates
On two of the following four players, who would they be? Your four options are Ashton Genty, Chase Brown, Brian Thomas Jr. And Drake London.
Daniel Dopp
This one's actually pretty easy for me.
Field Yates
Okay, so you go first then.
Mike Clay
Yeah. All right.
Daniel Dopp
For me it's going to be Drake London and Ashton jr. Me too.
Field Yates
Both of them.
Mike Clay
Next. Next wish. Yeah.
Field Yates
Okay. So no, I'm actually very fascinated by this. So you start.
Daniel Dopp
Drake London I think is just too good. I recognize the struggles with Michael Penix. He is the clear number one pass catcher in that offense. I recognize that Darnell Mooney is going to come in and he's going to steal some targets. He's going to make us frustrated on certain weeks. But Drake London is just too good to be able to pass up. I would absolutely buy low on him. And Ashton Genti is just still going to get so much volume. There is nobody else in that backfield and I feel like with the way that he should be utilized, we haven't seen it materialize through the first three weeks. But I think that he is going to have better utilization as the season goes on and hopefully the offensive line gets some things figured out. I just don't think I can walk away from a first round talent like Ashton Gentee and not feel like he's someone I wouldn't want to have on my roster.
Mike Clay
Yeah, if someone's panicking, I would try to get Gentee 3 receiving yards. So they got to fix that.
Daniel Dopp
That's brutal.
Field Yates
He's also think it will fix.
Mike Clay
He's been on the field for 60% of their pass play. So I think so I think that'll improve as they go on. They have to just manufacture throws them and I think that they will try to find a way to do that also. Good matchup against Chicago has been terrible against opportunity.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
So far it's an opportunity. Yes, it is. So there's that. And then Drake London, I mean remember he had 15 targets in week one and what I wrote on my paper here is like week two and Three were bad. Are the Panthers and Vikings Defense is good. I mean Minnesota, yes, Carolina, maybe they've been really good so far. So maybe there's something to that. His target share is down barely from last year and he's still top 10 in targets and catches among wide receivers despite as bad as it's been so far, two end zone targets. So. So London's close to a big game. The big question is can Michael Pennix do it? And by the way, they have a good matchup this week against Washington who just that's a team that Trey Tucker. Tucker just went off on. So I agree with you Daniel. I think London can still be a wide receiver one. I think Genti can still be in the RB1 conversation. But Brown, I don't want to invest in an offense that doesn't have Joe Burrow first of all. And Brian Thomas, I that's a hard one. I I think he'll be better but it's tough because it's been really bad so far. It just doesn't look good either.
Daniel Dopp
Where are you at? What would you do?
Field Yates
Drake London for sure. And I don't have a good answer for number two.
Daniel Dopp
You're the one that came out with.
Mike Clay
The question what's your thought on gentle.
Field Yates
That's why I asked the question.
Mike Clay
That's why I'm asking.
Field Yates
I was trying to get some advice here. Okay.
Mike Clay
You just think Genti's not, it's not going to be good enough.
Field Yates
I'm just very concerned about the offensive line with Genti and I got to tell you, like the lack of design, passing game utilization.
Mike Clay
Super concerning.
Field Yates
I just Chip Kelly, man. Like one of the some of the comments Chip has made recently too. After week two when Genti was off the field a bit more than he was in week a lot more than he was in week one, Chip was talking about like it's a long season. You know, I came from Ohio State.
Daniel Dopp
Where we had to manage touches and.
Field Yates
I'm like, I imagine the Raiders had a lot of conversations before the draft between the coaching and the scouting staff. Right. One of the fundamental facts of drafting a running back six overall is he's got to be one of your best players right away and he's got to play a ton and you have to have an ecosystem that's at all conducive to him getting being productive. And so far it feels like this Raiders coaching staff either maybe they wanted somebody else but they're definitely not utilizing him like a guy that they planned for a long time to draft the Draft process is very long. They probably knew Ashton Jensen was going to be available at number 7 6.
Daniel Dopp
It feels like malpractice. You just basically said this, but it feels like malpractice to draft a running back that high. Understanding that teams don't draft running backs that high very often and then not give him like a million Sicilian touches.
Mike Clay
Yes, million. Five million.
Daniel Dopp
Five million Sicilian touches.
Mike Clay
I will say this. We had really quick. We have seen this. I think maybe with the team, the league moving to 18 weeks, I think teams are more prone to like the first month of the season kind of like take it a little easier. Easier and lean in. I think a good example of that last year is Josh Jacobs. Jacobs. Where you saw a lot more of the other backs like Chris Brooks and. Who's the other one?
Daniel Dopp
The other running back was hurt.
Field Yates
Not Marshawn Lloyd.
Daniel Dopp
It was.
Mike Clay
Yeah, that's what I was thinking right now. But anyway, they kind of, you know, took it a little easier and then they just really unleashed him in the second half. And, you know, Bijan Robinson's another guy that started slow and kind of got going.
Field Yates
So the Raiders are back. They should be considering ways to get Ashton Genti.
Mike Clay
So maybe my point is there's at least a chance and maybe they do just take it easy early in there and then take the reins off. So.
Field Yates
All right, I got three more questions and we have to spin the wheel as well. Daniel Jones and Drake May currently rank as quarterback four and quarterback six, respectively, on the season. If you could choose one going forward, who would you prefer? A note. This week, Daniel Jones draws the Rams. Drake May draws the potentially frisky Panthers.
Mike Clay
Yes. So I'll go first. I have May slightly ahead, but this is so funny because I just pulled. Just out of curiosity, I pulled my rest of season projections at the moment. Drake May, 247.9. Daniel Jones, 247.8.
Field Yates
That's actually a testament to being a great question.
Mike Clay
That was.
Daniel Dopp
That's it. Yes.
Field Yates
Thank you. You guys could have said great question.
Mike Clay
Yeah. Played well. He runs first in QBR so far. Maybe could use a little more passing touchdowns, but I'm just a believer in the talent.
Field Yates
Drake is first in qbr.
Mike Clay
No, no, no. Daniel Jones.
Field Yates
Okay. Whoa.
Mike Clay
Yeah, he's more mid pack, but I just believe in the raw talent. And I think, especially as Stefan Diggs gets healthier too, I think. I think I'm going to give a little edge to me.
Daniel Dopp
I would give the edge to Daniel Jones for me, just because I think that offense is More competent. And I would rather have an offense that I think can move the ball down the field easier. That just puts the quarterback in more positions to score. Fantasy.
Field Yates
Okay, I'll break the tie with a slight lean towards Daniel Jones. But both of these guys do feel like they have a real shot, say, as top 10ish quarterbacks the rest of the way. All right, if Breece hall, this is question four, has a huge game on Monday night against that terrible, terrible Dolphins defense, would you consider selling high on Breeze hall after week four? Yeah, because that would be two games of greatness and two games of not usable value.
Daniel Dopp
It would be more like selling medium, don't you think?
Field Yates
If he has a huge game. I said, if he goes for 26 points on Monday night, are you saying. All right, time to strike.
Daniel Dopp
I'm out. Yes.
Mike Clay
Yes. No, I would agree. I forget where my train of thought was going here, but yeah, I mean. Oh, yeah, I know where I was going because this, like I just said, that RB2 zone is so massive right now that if he has a huge week and then he's going to be fluctuating back and forth. You got to take advantage while you can.
Field Yates
Let's table that because if he does have a great game on Monday night, maybe we'll talk about this next Wednesday as a follow up.
Mike Clay
Sure.
Field Yates
All right, the last one here is Jim Harbaugh. You talk about chickens being nervous birds, right? So give me your nervous bird player of the week. This is a player that you have ranked as a starter at his position, but makes you really, really nervous.
Mike Clay
Yeah, I have a lot of Jimmy go first. I have a lot of nuggets here on Chris Olave, who I'm all the way up at wide receiver. 15, 13, 10 and 14 targets so far this season. But the yardage in those games, 54, 54 and 57 is zero touchdowns. He leads all receivers and snaps, routes and targets. He's second in catches, but 29th in yards so far this season. Four and a half yards per target. He was at eight and a half his first three seasons. He's fourth at wide receiver with four end zone targets. And this is the fastest offense in the NFL by three seconds. So I just told you a lot of numbers. Some are good, some are terrible. And I don't know what to do with this guy right now, but I like to chase the volume. So I'm still ranking him as a wide receiver.
Field Yates
He's like Wandale Robinson, just jumbo size. Like eight catches for 53 yards last week. Unbelievable.
Daniel Dopp
I Would. We've already talked about this player, so I'm going to pick a second one. It would be lad McConkey for me that I'm most you have raised as a starter. I have LAD as I think wide receiver, 28.
Field Yates
Okay, got it.
Daniel Dopp
So he's like a flex play. He's not a wide receiver too, but he's a starter. But I think for me this week, it would be Javante Williams taking on the Green Bay Packers. Just with how good that defense has been and knowing that the Dallas Cowboys offense just looked awful without CD Lamb, they're going to probably have even a tougher time. Is that going to make things harder on Javante Williams? Because they don't have their alpha number one premier pass catcher. So I like Javante Williams this year, especially with how it started. But with this matchup and the lack of a priority wide receiver, one to be able to help keep defenses honest, I'm a little bit more worried this week than I have been in previous.
Field Yates
Let's do it. Let's get to the wheel. Good answers all the way around by you two. I enjoyed that. I liked being able to ask the questions.
Mike Clay
This is a good idea by field. He doesn't have to do anything. He just writes questions and sits back.
Field Yates
And that was Christina's idea of producer. So shout out Christina. And if you guys don't like the question, too bad.
Mike Clay
No, no, they were. No, they were great questions. I'm just saying we had to do the. We had to do the heavy lifting.
Field Yates
Yeah.
Mike Clay
We had to process the questions and do the prep.
Field Yates
And I could have not. I could have just asked you them blind.
Mike Clay
Yeah, that's true.
Field Yates
All right, here we go. Daniel's gonna spin.
Daniel Dopp
We got a wheel right here.
Field Yates
Do we have a recap of the.
Daniel Dopp
Points before we need a recap of them? Here's the thing. The Lions scored 38 points.
Field Yates
Okay, let's take a look at the recap. I don't know why, but you know.
Mike Clay
Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
So when you look at field. Field, who did you have just run through your team real quick?
Field Yates
Daniel Jones, Jordan Mason, George Pickens, and Zach Ertz. 64.02 points. I take the win.
Mike Clay
That was good.
Daniel Dopp
Mike, who did you have?
Mike Clay
Justin Herbert, Jaylen Warren. Who I can't believe. Only at 13.1. Marvin Harrison Jr. Thanks for nothing. And Jake Ferguson had a huge game. So I. Field got me by about eight points.
Daniel Dopp
Ferguson carried you. I had Jared Goff, who got 12.6. Jordan Mason, Debo Samuel, who?
Mike Clay
Oh, he crushed. It was terrible.
Daniel Dopp
And Juwan Johnson, who got 11.1. I came in four points behind Mike. If you told me that I was going into Monday Night Football and the Lions was going to score 38 points, I'd think I probably got a good chance with Jared Goff, Unfortunately, Tamir Gibbs.
Mike Clay
And David Montgomery for scoring.
Daniel Dopp
I did text you guys in the group. I will take a Lions win over a start of the week win. I'm okay with that.
Field Yates
All right, here we go.
Daniel Dopp
I'm gonna spin this. Whatever I do here. We'll have to pull off on Friday for the show.
Field Yates
Hey, get a wig again.
Daniel Dopp
Here is my punishment.
Field Yates
It's.
Mike Clay
Yeah.
Daniel Dopp
Yes. 30 seconds of stand up.
Mike Clay
That is amazing.
Daniel Dopp
Oh, great.
Mike Clay
Great. I can't wait.
Field Yates
I can't wait for that. Is that tomorrow or Friday?
Daniel Dopp
That's going to be Friday. I'm going to need a little bit of time to get my material working on material.
Mike Clay
All you got to do is 30 seconds.
Field Yates
You're no Nate Barazi, so you're going to have to, you know, take your time to come up with some material.
Daniel Dopp
Gosh, this is going to be interesting.
Mike Clay
Atomic or are you going to get canceled?
Daniel Dopp
I don't want to get canceled. I do not. We'll see how things work. Probably just going to stick with some political humor. That's going to do it with today's show. My friends. Friends, we're going to be back tomorrow to preview Thursday Night Football and the rest of week four, part one of our preview. Make sure you come hang out with us. Don't forget to love each other, be kind to yourself, and we'll see you guys tomorrow.
Field Yates
You've seen the headlines, heard the debates. The three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game.
Mike Clay
Has the three pointer ruined basketball?
Field Yates
And how did we get here? The rise of the three point shot can be partially traced to an eccentric Kansas genius named Martin Manley, whose story didn't turn out quite the way he imagined. I decided I wanted to have one.
Daniel Dopp
Of the most organized goodbyes in history.
Field Yates
30 for 30 podcast presents Chasing Basketball Heaven. Available now wherever you get your podcasts.
Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Field Yates, Daniel Dopp, Mike Clay
Episode Summary by [Your Name]
This episode centers on the most puzzling players to rank in fantasy football for Week 4. The hosts—Field Yates, Mike Clay, and Daniel Dopp—debate several high-profile names that are challenging to evaluate due to injury, production swings, or shifting roles. They offer insights into player usage trends, data-driven rankings, and engage in lively “keep, bench, cut” and mailbag segments to help managers navigate these tricky roster decisions.
Timestamps: 03:21–07:18
Timestamps: 07:20–16:19
A. Chase Brown
B. Cam Skattebo
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Timestamps: 25:01–27:21
Timestamps: 27:25–32:48
A. Trey Tucker
B. Marvin Harrison Jr.
Timestamps: 35:09–36:37
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Mike Clay, Daniel Dopp, and Field Yates each pick players to keep, bench, and cut, explaining their logic.
Timestamps: 48:56–58:31
Field Yates hosts a lightning round with five “Would You Rather/Who Would You Buy Low” questions.
Buy Low Candidates:
QB Dilemma:
Sell High?:
Nervous Birds (Most Worrisome Starters):
The episode strikes an optimistic but pragmatic tone. The hosts blend data-heavy analysis with light banter, leveraging both statistical insights and “football guy” intuition. The recurring theme is “don’t panic, but act decisively”—whether that means holding tight on stars with slow starts, or being aggressive on waivers and trades for ascendant talents.
Summary Takeaway:
Week 4 is a hotbed of volatile values—injuries, breakouts, and busts all muddle the fantasy picture. The Fantasy Focus team offers a sharp, balanced approach for fantasy managers to cut through the noise, spotlighting both data and context for the most confounding players of the week.