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What's good, friends? Welcome into Fantasy Focus Football presented by Wingstop alongside Field J, who was here every single day, and Mike Clay, who finally showed up this week. My name is Daniel Dot. Very excited to bring you a Wednesday podcast.
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How's that one feel?
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What's that?
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That line from Daniel.
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Oh. Oh, yeah. Like I said, I mean, I. I don't know how to make this.
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I don't know how many more times I can say it, guys.
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Yes, I'm on vacation and I'm not sorry about it.
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Okay, enjoy.
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Um, it is going to be a very great show today. Quick reminder, today is Wednesday, but in effect it's Friday because we are doing the Friday show. Obviously, we're going to be off on Thursday with our family and Friday as well. So we're going to jam as much as we can in here today. We did part one of our preview yesterday. Go check part of that out. That was the Thursday game as well as the Friday slates. And today we're going to dive into the rest of the games on Sunday and Monday Night Football. But first and foremost, I just want to say hello, shout out to you guys for being here. I'm very grateful to be able to have you in my life. Thank you for being a part of this show with me.
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Likewise.
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And, and I just, I'm very excited to be able to do the show with you today. So hopefully we're gonna get a lot of good stuff out.
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Yeah, we have a lot.
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We're gonna. We have a lot to get to. Yeah. And by the way, Eric Moody in the chat as always. Where you can find him on social.
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Media, you can follow him. RicknMoodie on social media. But he's actually not the most important Moody today field.
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Some would argue that is his wife 364 days of the year. But today it is Noah Moody.
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Happy birthday. That's right.
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To Noah Moody. One of the coolest Moody's you'll ever meet. A big day for him and a big day for Eric, his father, who after the show is going to get back to his fatherly duties and have a great celebratory day.
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Going to be an awesome day. Hopefully if Noah has any fantasy advice, he can get it from his dad in the chat just like the rest of you guys hanging out in the YouTube chat, being able to have some fun there. So big shout out to Eric Moody, big shout out to his son Noah Moody as well. And let's dive into our Week 13 Preview Part 2 Writing all right field, you were going to kick things off. We just got a bunch of topics because obviously it's a very tight week, a condensed week, so we're going to get through as much stuff as we can. You're up first, my friend.
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Yeah, we'll do our best here to rip through a bunch of things. Let's start in New Orleans if Alvin Camara is out for the Saints. And a reminder that because we're doing the show Wednesday morning, we don't really have injury information, concrete injury information on guys that play on Sunday because they begin practicing today. But if Alvin Camara is out, how much value is there in the Saints running backs against the Dolphins? Let's talk about how things looked last week after Camara got hurt. In terms of snap percentage, you saw the most of Devin Neal. He also had 10 carries last week. Did the rookie Devin Neal seven for Taysom Hill? On paper, not a bad matchup here. Miami is bottom 10 in terms of limiting opposing running backs to fantasy points and they have been largely generous, especially when you face guys like Rico Dowdle.
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Daniel, can I ask a question to you? Phil J Is talking about Devin Neal. Just in case people didn't listen to the show yesterday, I mentioned him in the waiver column. But if you don't know who Devin Neal is, it's not a name that's necessarily on the fantasy radar really up until this point. He's a rookie this season. What can you tell us about what Devin Neal did at Kansas?
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Rookie 6 round pick who left Kansas with the most rushing yards in school history. He had three separate 1000 yard seasons. Very productive player in college, but went in the sixth round, which it was a very great running back draft class this past year. So that pushed guys down a little bit. But Mike has always warned us to put too much stock against putting too much stock into day three running backs. There's a reason they go in day three more often than not. So on paper, good matchup. He did play a healthy percentage of the snaps. The two limiting factors here are pretty obvious. One, Taysom Hill is going to play and Taysom Hill might take the goal line work on top of that. I'm not sure it matters who's playing running back for the Saints as this team has allowed U.S. average 3.6 yards per carry this season, third worst in the NFL. And nobody, and I mean nobody, has as few rushing touchdowns this season as the New Orleans Saints. They have three through their first 12 weeks of action. So I will have Devin Neal ranked the highest. He will be outside my top 20 for running backs. If you are in a pinch, he can certainly be utilized, but he is not a guy that I'm like super.
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Thrilled to be starting this weekend, 33rd in my rankings. He did have eight targets in that game. He actually played 58 of 66 snaps after Camara left that game, but Taysum Hill was mixed in on those places while they were on the field together. A lot of direct snaps to taste him. I will say this about Hill, kind of interesting maybe as an end of bench ad if Camara misses a little bit of time. I don't think I'm going to start him though he hasn't been involved in the passing game this season, only four targets. He did have a bunch of carries, although after he had that fumble and intentional grounding he didn't play a snap after that. So I don't know what they're going to do with him. If he's going to have much of a role on offense, we'll see. He was essentially benched for those final.
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22 snaps, so we are due for one three touchdown game. Hill sooner rather than later. So let's always have a radar up for that.
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Keep this in mind if you're going to if you're thinking about using Neil Audrey Estimate was a healthy scratch. He might be active in leading carries. He might like. We don't know for sure. This is one of them Wide open backfield sets again. Alvin Camara, when he's been featured, hasn't even been good in fantasy this year.
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That's the part that gives me pause.
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I don't I wouldn't mess with it.
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What do you got?
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First one for me. Fellas. I'm wondering if we benched DeAndre Swift after what we saw last week.
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Getting close.
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He was not the lead back for the Bears and I was watching snap counts throughout. This wasn't like common on guy played all the fourth quarter snaps. It was mixed in early. He was essentially the lead back in this one. Had a 34 to 26 snap edge over DeAndre Swift. It's the first time this season he has actually out snapped him Neither was involved in the passing game. Just one combined target. Swift had 1.9 fantasy points a week before when he played a full complement of snapshots at nine points. So he's trending the wrong direction. Even Kyle Manangai though, touchdown and three straight games, still under 11 fantasy points in all three and nine of 11 games so far this season. They're playing an Eagles team that's allowed a lot of a lot of running back touchdowns this season, but they're still mid pack because they are a very good defense. So this to me is a situation best avoided. I think Swift, I would still give him the edges because the larger body of work, but I'm nervous about this one.
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Yeah, becoming sort of like Seattle out there in Chicago. That game of course is Friday afternoon. We talked more about that game yesterday. What do you got?
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Daniel I am going to talk about whether or not a Mecca Abuka is still a wide receiver too with Teddy Bridgewater under center because it has been tough the last little bit even with Baker Mayfield under center.
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Tough for six games.
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Five out of six.
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Yes. This Bucks game, this Bucks team and offense just has not been the same. Under 60 yards in five of his last six. Five or fewer receptions in five of his last six under 10 fantasy points in all five of those games that I just mentioned he was wide receiver 30 or worse. The exception that he had was a 23 and a half point day in which he was wide receiver 4 obviously, because that's just sort of how things work out. The weird thing is he's getting tons of volume, a ton of volume. Since week seven he's wide receiver three in targets per game with over ten targets per game. But I just feel like this offense is different with Teddy as the starter. I think that we've been ranking him as a wide receiver too just because like that's what the expectation was. That's only materialized one time over the last six weeks. So at this point, with the way that the offense is playing regardless of who they play in the matchup, the I just think that I'm a little bit lower on Ameka Abuka going into the fantasy playoffs. A lot of that magic and shine has just worn off and now that there's questions and concern about Baker Mayfield's shoulder moving forward, there's a lot of panic and question marks. I have gone from Ameca Abuka being a clear wide receiver too to I'm wondering if there are other options that I have at Flex with no teams on a buy that I might like more Than him because of the matchup.
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In this situation, you've got him as wide receiver 26. I'm at 18, Mike is at 15. I do not want to take anything away from Emeka Abuka's sensational rookie season. I thought coming into the NFL, I thought this was like the perfect number two receiver. He got thrust into and thrived as a wide receiver one early in the season. I think Mike Evans definitely helped that too. Mike Evans being on the field changes the geometry of how a defense defends you. Right. They're going to not allow you to have big plays down the field, which creates more space underneath between the offensive line being a little bit banged up and running back injuries, I mean, you name it, injuries everywhere. For Tampa Bay, Mecca has been kind of thrust into this gotta be the guy role and of late it has not been perfectly suited for him.
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Yeah, he kind of feels like Ted Rolloa McMillan a little bit to me.
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Where again another built for that number one role.
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He is. Let me say that differently then. I think that he is getting a ton of volume and it's just not turning into production. That's like another rookie. Earlier in the season his volume was turning into production. Right now it feels like he's getting a lot of volume, kind of like Tedro McMillan does. I just don't think it has become like a big thing. Ted's seen a little bit more recently, but he's still hampered by a quarterback.
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So I think maybe with Chris Godwin coming back, maybe as he gets healthier, that takes a little bit of pressure off. Maybe the, you know, the coverage isn't leaning as much toward him. I'm still pretty confident because of the huge target share and because I think once Baker Mayfield is healthy, his offense should bounce back a bit. He's been so good for years. I have a hard time believing that they're just going to stink offensively. The rest of the totally remember they this is a 6 and 5 team. They're not packing it in. They're still fighting for this.
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I think I would push back on you though saying like once Baker Mayfield is healthy, that's fine. It's week and I need to win this week. So I think I'm surprised you guys have him as a 15 wide receiver.
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Baker in the projections. So I don't know like what's our confidence level in Baker playing?
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I mean, I think he plays.
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You do think Baker plays. So that's it?
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Yeah, it's a non throwing shoulder, so it's probably more pain than it is function for him this weekend. But yeah, I think we're, we're kind of, you know, we have, we have. This is kind of what the Roma dunes a thing, right? Rome moved down from like top 8 wide receiver to like top 1215 to more like, you know, kind of on the fringe there of that top 20 for wide receivers. A little bit of the same thing in play right now for a book again. 26 for Daniel, 18 for me, 15 for Mike. So still a starter by most of our estimations. Again, this is the time of the year where it's not just like benching players versus starting players. It's how concerned are you about guys that you're obviously starting. And I don't know, man. I think Jonathan Taylor's last week is a little bit of a concern. And here's the deal. It's not going to be as difficult this week as it was last week. Still starting Jonathan Taylor, I'm not that worried. But I am flagging the matchup here against the Houston Texans who did allow James Cook to score over 20 fantasy points last week. One big play, 45 yard touchdown accounted for 50% of James Cook's production last Thursday night. Does that matter? Of course it does. Can Jonathan Taylor rip off a big one? Of course he can. But the Texans have again just one 20 point running back game allowed all season.
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That was the one they just did to James.
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Did. Yep.
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Okay.
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Christian McCaffrey Season Low 9.8 fantasy points against Houston. Derrick Henry, 9.3 fantasy points against Houston. And this is the part that I think is most notable for Jonathan Taylor that I think helps us get back to where we were for so long. The rushing efficiency will be better. I don't doubt that Jonathan Taylor should see more work than he did last week when the Colts had four straight three nows to close the game and Jonathan Taylor was hardly involved. It made no sense whatsoever. I will just note this. 4.1 or fewer fantasy points from Jonathan Taylor as a receiver in three of his past four games. He is just a touch more vulnerable to a 15 point game than a Christian McCaffrey is because of the fact that he does not see, in the case of McCaffrey, 10 targets a game. Right. So just putting this on the radar here. I still have Jonathan Taylor ranked very high but he has moved down from auto RB one every single week to five for Daniel, five for me and four for you Mike.
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Yeah, that's fair. I look last week stud was predictable. We talked about. I laid out all the reasons. I love the rushing under in that one. He hasn't been as good on the road. Matchup was mad at me. Yeah. You talked about. No, we agreed.
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No, people on the Internet were mad.
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Oh, people on the Internet. Fair. Fair. Yeah. I mean, I hammered the under on the rushing yards. I had. My medium projection was in the 70s last week, and that's ended up about where he was. The line opened at like 90 yards this year. My or this week. My projection is in the 90s, so, um, I definitely expect a rebound game. This is not. Not a walk in the park matchup. But it's easier than what he dealt with last week. Not to mention they're at home. The situation is much better for him. So I'm confident still a top five play. I expect him to bounce back.
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There is something about just like you see two duds from a guy that's just been dominant all year long, and it's like two out of the last three, he scored under nine fantasy points. Like, do I need to start being worried about it? Which is why we're talking about it. Right.
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You know what it tells me the biggest lesson is we should just not do MVP conversations every week.
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Yes, that's.
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Or real life. Because Christian McCaffrey going into week 13 or Mecca Buca. Those are the two fantasy MVPs. And then McCaffrey is like, so far, it's ridiculous how many more points he has and everybody else this season, that's wild.
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But I do, by the way, I do have the Colts with the second hardest remaining schedule for running backs. It's actually on the easy side for quarterbacks and tight ends, interestingly. So it'd be a good Daniel Jones, a Tyler Warren finish to the season, but it is tough for Jonathan Taylor. So it's. I think he'll cool from where he was in the first half of the season, but he's still going to be an RB1 1.
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I like it. All right, Mike, you're up next.
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All right, next up for me, guys, a quick sweep through some running backs because I think we're gonna have three notable ones potentially return this week. So really quickly. Wondering where you guys fall on them because I'm playing a conservative. These guys have been out for a while.
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Let's do a little power poll.
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Bucky Irving is one of them coming back against Arizona. Obviously, it was terrific early this season, but Sean Tucker playing well. Rashad White's there. He. I suspect he'll be limited in his return. Marion Hampton, same thing. He's been out for what, almost two months now? Manny Vidal was fine in his. In. Not last week. He was. It was a dud last week, but he barely touched the football. But I expect a little more if he'd all in this game than maybe we'll see next week or certainly what we saw earlier this season really ended.
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What's that, Videl?
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Okay. And then Trey Benson as well, who, by the way, Benson has never had more than 11 carries in a game. Like, he's the one we actually haven't seen play a featured role. He did have a bunch. He did four plus catch, four plus targets and three straight before the injury.
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I think it's Ben's son.
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Ben's daughter.
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And was his dad. So. So I have these guys. I have them ranked 25, 27 and 30, playing it very safe. If they are activated. I mean, I. I saw it. Look. I saw footage of Hampton at practice yesterday. Looked pretty, pretty sharp. Looked like he's ready to go. But I think we can't count on these guys getting 17, 18, 19 touches this week. So I'm playing it safe. If you want to put them in your flex, fine. But I'm a little nervous about limitations.
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If I were to rank these guys 1 through 3, 4, week 13, assuming they're all active and good to go.
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Let'S see if we agree.
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Marian Hampton tied for first. Bucky Irving tied for first.
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That's fair.
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Trey Benson tied for first.
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Oh, wow.
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I would put Benson. I would put Benson a step down. I have Hampton ranked just ahead of Irving.
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I was being funny there, but yes, I actually think I would. My number one would be Omari and Hampton because the matchup's really good.
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Yeah.
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Raiders on Sunday. Kind of the last easy game for the Chargers. There's so much good stuff to be decided over the last six weeks of the season in the playoff race. But, yeah, ideally, yeah, these are flex considerations this weekend. I think we all agree on that.
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Agreed. And I would rather. To your point, Mike, no teams on a buy. I've got the full slate of players at my disposal. Rather than bring back a running back unless I'm desperate. Rather than bring back a running back who hasn't played in six weeks, eight weeks. I'd rather go a different.
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Yeah. Plus you might have to make some decisions. None of these guys play Thursday or Friday, right? No, no, no. Thursday or Friday. You can use that to make some decisions on Thursday and Friday and then play up a watt monitor all the way down to game time and see what. Yeah.
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I just came to you right in the moment. You were like, here's another nugget that I have none of these guys Thursday or Friday.
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That's what I do.
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Yeah, couple of, couple more running backs that I have in case you wanted to start these two guys instead of any of the guys that Mike started talking about. But Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell have both been really good recently. Excuse me?
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Oh, sort of. Same. Warren's been good.
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Yeah, I understand where you're at. They have been usable. He has been usable. Kenny Gainwell has been really good. That's the, that's the thing. This is an excellent matchup against the Bills. Third most fantasy points per game to the running back position. Warren has a super safe floor. Can we say that he has at least 8 fantasy points in every single game this season, but he does have a limited ceiling because of that has not hit 20 fantasy points yet this year. So like he's giving you production. It hasn't been like the high end production that you were hoping. However, he is a nice low end RB2 or high end flex play for your squad given the floor that he has the last couple of games. It's been Kenny Gainwell who has been super productive 18.2 and 29.5 over the last four weeks. Kenny Gainwell has 19 catches for 150 yards and two touchdowns over that span. Jalen Warren has six catches for 24 yards, 19 and 150 to 6 and 24. Kenny Gainwell is getting a ton of passing game work, super elevating his volume and his production here for us in fantasy. I think both of us, I think both of them are potential flex options this week with the way that the Pittsburgh Steelers have utilized their running backs. Still trying to figure things out with like which one of them is the RB one? Cause I don't really right now it just feels like they're both getting a bunch of usage. So I don't have either one as RB2s because Kenny Gainwell, like we've seen in a couple of other running back situations, it's kind of vultured Jalen Warren down a little bit and made them both flex plays rather than one being a solid RB2.
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There's a chance we should have seen some of this coming. Meaning a little bit of a regression for the workload of Jalen Warren. And I'm not talking about the injury he suffered two weeks ago because by all accounts he was past that injury going into this game against the Bears last Sunday. It's that for the past three seasons we've all watched Jalen Warren ride shotgun to Najee Harris and be like, this guy always pops whenever he gets the ball. Why doesn't he get the ball more? And it's like, maybe because there are certain players and his stature is not one that you say to yourself is of this caliber are built for that 250 to 280 carry lifestyle for a full season with 50 or 60 targets as well. He's one of the smaller starting running backs in the NFL. Perhaps the Steelers, who still do have a tie for the lead of the AFC north right now, are saying we got to be mindful of this guy 13 games into the season. Have to be thinking about the next five weeks as well.
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You guys. Sorry, go ahead.
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I was just going to say I think he's been a little unlucky. Obviously he got hurt in the Bengals game, could have came back in. Yeah, they played it safe. That could have been a huge game. Gainwell obviously went off in that one with the huge receiving game and then he missed another game earlier this season where Gainwell had a huge game. But the snaps were about even last week. So to your point, maybe they are going to try to distribute evenly. I'm still pretty confident there's enough volume in that backfield for Warren to give you RB2 numbers, but he's not in that RB1 conversation right now. But I would not be shocked if he just has a big next month or so. He's, he is in position for it but the touchdowns haven't been there. It's just, it just feels like one of them. He's right there. He's just right there and haven't, hasn't been able to get over this week.
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I've got Kenny Gainwell ranked ahead of Jalen Ward so it's been a, it'll be. We'll see how that one plays out.
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You get started both in this matchup.
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I think they're both flex options.
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As long as the Steelers play good defense, they can run the football against the Bills. More running back talk. Let's go to RJ Harvey in Denver who had one game as a starter before their buy in week 11. Just a reminder, 61% of the snaps. No surprise career high for him. He led the team with 11 carries. He had three targets. The problem in that game was that Jalil McLaughlin got the goal to go opportunity and cashed in for the only touchdown of that game against the Kansas City Chiefs. He plays the Commanders this weekend. Does RJ Harvey, which is a bottom five defense in terms of limiting opposing running backs to fantasy points. So how does he rank for me this week? He ranks. We can put a number to it, but it feels kind of like that low end RB2 range for me with RJ Harvey because I do think we'll see a little bit, a little bit of Jalil McLaughlin. We of course will see Tyler Bidet on passing, obvious passing situations. And then they throw the ball a lot. They throw the ball a whole lot, especially against this defense. He is RB17 for me.
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Yeah, I know he didn't have a great game when we last saw him, but the usage gave me a lot of optimism about this. 37 snaps to a combined 16 by the other two. They each played eight snaps. He had 11 carries and three three targets. The other two combined for six carries and two targets. So he, he had the edge over them two combined by far. So I'm, I'm pretty optimistic. And as you mentioned, this matchup is outstanding against the Commander. So I actually I don't know if I ranked him as a lineup lock in the, in the playbook, but I was on the fence. Yeah, it was a close call.
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I feel like if I, I would trust RJ Harvey to not be vultured by a 5 foot, 780 pound running back at the goal line more often than not. And maybe it happens. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's the bigger guy. The fact that Julian McLaughlin stole it, it was two weeks ago. Because last week was a bye week. Like we were all frustrated by that. I would still expect RJ to Harvey to be the goal line guy with stature.
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Yeah, I'm optimistic.
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All right, Michael, you're up next, my friend.
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Do you have a point on the Broncos you wanted to make beyond the backfield?
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Yes. So I can do that right now.
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Just do it now.
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The question is, do we just start all of the Broncos?
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Pretty much, yeah.
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And I had Harvey on this as Bo Nix. I did rank as a lineup lock this week. He has been, boom, bust three straight duds actually for him. But Washington, 17 plus fantasy points, a lot of the opposing quarterback in nine straight games before, before Tua. So they were really struggling. I don't think anything has changed for this defense. They're struggling with talent on the perimeter corner and they've struggled all season long. So optimistic about Bo Nix. If your whole like, look, if Bo Nix is on your roster, this is the week. If you're not going to use them now, drop them. I mean, what are you doing with them? So Corland, Sutton, Troy Franklin, this is the toss up. Which way do you go with this one?
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Toss up?
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Yeah, it's not a toss up.
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It's not a toss up.
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I still think at some point the tide has to turn back to Sutton. I hope, I'm hoping at the buy they make some changes, find ways to get the ball in his hands. This is a good matchup. I don't expect him to be shadowed. He's certainly not going to be shadowed by an impact corner. So I'm hoping that he's left standing.
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Mikey. Sandra still is playing on the boundary.
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Now, but Noah Ibn Agony back in the slot. He's been buried all year long, so it's a mess for Washington, but again they're. They've let the highest yards per catch and yards per target to receivers this season and that was with Lattimore and Tremos healthy for most of the season. So a good spot for Sutton, but I think you could start them both. I think Sutton and, and Franklin are fine starter.
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I think because we're. We're in on both Sutton and Franklin. That means that Marvin Mims and Pat Bryant are both going to go off in this matchup.
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Oh, Jordan Humphrey finding the end zone.
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Oh, man. Nothing would surprise me.
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That would be so frustrating. I'm going to talk about some wide receivers then. Two guys. Are you guys trusting Michael Wilson? Even If Marvin Harrison Jr. Comes back with the way he's played, pretty close to it.
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What do you got?
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I'm ranking both of them as low end wide receiver two or flex options right now with their production. Excuse me.
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Good.
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I want to take a look. Yes, I appreciate that.
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Dew or water?
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I want to know. I'm good. Well, that's a great question. Maybe I'm going to throw up a full screen while we look at a full screen. This is Jacoby Myers, wide receiver one over the last month. Sorry, goby percent week nine, 22.6 for Marvin Harrison. Wide receiver seven. Week 10, 14.3. That was a dud. Wide receiver 20, week 11, 33.5 is wide receiver two and week 12, 21.8. That's wide receiver eight three of the last four weeks. Jacoby Brissette's number one wide receiver has been a top eight wide receiver at the position and they have always been inside the top 20. Now the question is you get both of these guys back. And with Michael Wilson, with the way that he has been playing and the idea that Marvin Harrison Jr. Looked good before he went down, I feel like we're at a spot where I think both of these guys are startable. I can't put Michael Wilson back in the tube, like emotionally as a fantasy manager to be like, I'm just going to bench this guy. After those two monster games. Even with Marvin Harrison Jr. Coming back, I've got them both ranked as flex plays. It feels more like I could see these guys having like a 14.8 and 17.6 points. They both kind of eat in this game and I got them both as flex options. How do you guys see it?
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We don't know if Marva's going to be back this week. We'll see. Even if he is, I think I agree with your stance there. I had Michael Wilson as a sleeper prior to last season. Again, never wrong, just early in this case, very, very early. And this kind of. It dovetails with my next talking point. So I'll use part of my next talking point.
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Can I make one point on this real quick?
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No, I have something on the Cardinals.
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Okay, go ahead yeah, Part of the.
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Reason why this, why this is sustainable is over the last six games, Jacoby Brissette is averaging 43.5 passing attempts.
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That's volume is huge.
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Like that is. These guys could have an 18% target share and still go off. Like normally we're saying, hey, you know, 25% target share and above. Like that's going to be a hard guy to bench. If you have 43 and a half passing attempts and someone sees seven of them, like that's not terrible. As opposed to some other offenses that we see around the NFL. So what did you want to add on that was about the volume?
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Yeah, it's just, I agree in starting both guys.
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Good matchup too.
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Good matchup, yes. The Bucs last eight weeks, top five in fantasy points, slide receivers the most over their last four years. And the coach speak on Wilson was like, he's going to be a priority. An earlier read now than he was earlier in the season. He's kind of earned that. So that doesn't, you know, that doesn't necessarily mean much if he's not open. But even if Harrison's back, I expect him to see a safer target.
C
I realize this could be, I mean this is, we're chasing a little bit. It's like, hey, Michael Wilson finally had two good games and now I'm going to continue to chase it. It's just so tough not to chase when he had 33 targets over a two game span.
A
Ridiculous.
D
And also sometimes you wonder like Wilson was a day two draft pick. I mean there was a lot, a lot of hype for him and he hasn't quite lived up to that. But neither is Marvin Harrison. And now we're seeing like, okay, maybe Kyler Murray was the problem and that this guy's actually pretty good. We've seen this before. So he's kind of been unleashed here and he's looked pretty good. And maybe we're onto something with Michael Wilson.
C
Did you said that Jacoby Brissette has at least 43 passing attempts?
A
He's averaging 43.5 over his last switch.
D
He said what else has happened? Record two weeks ago, but last week it was another high volume game for them. So we should expect that to continue.
A
And of course over the last six weeks he has been a top 12 quarterback.
D
Thank you so much.
C
You bet. Not a problem. Sorry, I thought Mike, if you had.
D
Showed up, he's the only one in.
C
The league that has always done that.
A
At what point do we graduate from talking about Jacoby Brissette as An option each week, like at one point still.
C
Available on the waiver wire.
A
It's insane, but at some point you just like, like there are players that like when was the last time we debated whether we should be starting Josh Allen or something? And it's not this level obviously with I guess last week against the Texans. Bad example. But you guys get my point.
D
The problem is we have no. I got you. The problem is like everyone's back now.
A
I know.
D
So you look at the rankings. I sold them 13 because it's like. Let me ask you this question mark.
C
I asked this to field yesterday. If you have Joe Burrow on your roster and he's coming back for you this week, very first game back, would you rather play Jacoby Brissette who you've been riding for the last six weeks, or Joe Burrow?
D
I do a Burrow just ahead. But it is a close call.
A
It's very close.
D
And I we know is going to throw the ball a ton. Jamar Chase could easily with no T, Higgins could have a 200 yard game. Like. Yeah, it's. It is a close call.
C
All right, well, we're going to take a question really quick for my.
A
My talking point was at what point do we start trusting Jacoby Brissette to put a couple more numbers? Yeah, let's do it. You guys mentioned six straight games as a top 12 finisher at quarterback.
C
Sorry, we took that.
A
Mentioned the insane volume. 43.5 fantasy points in all six of those games and 18.7 fantasy points or more in all of those games. And by the way, the Buccaneers bottom five in fantasy points to opposing quarterbacks. Now we cue the YouTube question.
C
There we go. Question from our YouTube chat. This one comes from Orejects Burrow or Brissette this week.
D
Clearly Burette. No, just kidding.
A
I think you gotta flip a coin on this one.
D
Yeah, it is.
A
I think honestly, I know Mike would disagree with this statement. I think Daniel and I would agree with. Would agree with me though is a reject. Is. I think you have to ask yourself this. It's very close. There's no to me obvious indicator as to why it should be Brissette over Joe Burrow. And with Joe Burrow, he does face a Ravens team that's allowed under 15 fantasy points in six straight games to opposing quarterbacks.
D
Yeah.
A
Joe Burrow is coming back from a significant injury. Who knows if by the way, what if his first scramble he re aggravates it. Brock Purdy, how has he looked coming back from these toe injuries on multiple Occasions, not great. So my point is, here's where I'm going to go with is ask yourself this. If you bench Joe Burrow.
D
Yep.
A
And he goes for 24 and Brissette goes for 15, how mad are you going to be?
C
I'll be fine with it.
A
Do the inverse there. If you bench Jacoby Brissette and he goes for 24 and Burrow goes for 15, are you going to say to yourself, damn it, I played Joe Burrow and Jacoby Brissette scored nine more finishes.
C
I had a guy that was a top 12 option for six straight weeks, and I played a guy that had a big question mark, and the guy that was a top 12 option was another top 12 option. That's how I would feel. Because I think coming out of this week, and I mentioned it yesterday, once I start Brissette this week, he's going on the bench for two more weeks. So if I do have this scenario, I'm playing Jacoby Brissette this week, letting Joe Burrow have one more week, then I'm moving back over to Joe Burrow and see how he looks moving forward.
A
If that's a totally reasonable way to.
D
Go about it, I do. But you could also sit there and go, oh, yeah, it's Joe Burrow, the guy that led the NFL in dropouts.
C
That's a fair statement.
D
Yards and touchdowns last year.
A
Let's settle here then. Is that you just have to ultimately decide which.
C
What are you comfortable with?
A
What are you with? Like, are you on the debate? Are you on the side of the debate? That is, hey, I've got the player that was a top five fantasy quarterback coming. Coming into the season. I would hate myself if he goes off. Or are you on the side of, hey, this guy's been red hot. And I have concerns about Joe Burrow. And if he goes off, great, I have him for the rest of this season. I'll hopefully make a strong push with Joe Burrow.
C
So I.
A
That.
D
That.
A
That's your prerogative.
D
Good matchup for Brissette, too, as you said.
C
I would love to because it's. It's so back and forth. It's a very spirited conversation right now. I'd love to ask Chat Chat, if you guys had to choose between Joe Burrow and Jacoby Brissette this week, in week 13, who would you rather start? We'll come back at the end of the show. I'm just curious what the poll turns out to be.
A
Who's next? You, Mike?
D
Yes. Tyrone? Tracy. How about two straight big games.
C
Good game against Detroit last week.
D
It's a tricky one too because he's still splitting with Devin Singletary. Jameis Winston was in there. It doesn't feel like he should be having the game that he's having and that's why he's not ranked super high this week. But 23 touches, 130 plus yards and 16 plus fantasy points in consecutive games. They've been run heavy and very high volume during Jameis Winston's two start so far. Jackson Darts comes back, you would expect him to steal potentially a goal line touchdown. Maybe some carries in this one but. And they're also facing New England. I know New England has not been as dominant against the run the last couple of weeks, but they've. They're still very good against running backs. The fewest yards and touchdowns, only three allowed this season. Two running backs, the second fewest fantasy points, then the other. I keep this is. I keep going back, back and forth. Tracy the last two weeks played Detroit and Green Bay. Yeah.
A
So they're very well.
D
So it's a tricky one. I have him at 22 against this defense but he's certainly a fine flex option.
C
Okay, I'm going to talk about a flex option as well. I think Jacoby Myers, I just want to make sure that everyone realizes getting more run again in this offense this last week. 4 for 50 and a touchdown for 15 fantasy points. First three games I said this last week and to just give you guys the update, first three games here with the Jags played over 40% of the snaps in his first week. Just over 60% last week and then this week in week 12. I guess now we're going to week 13. He played 83.6% of the snaps. The role and the production have increased every single week with him being in this offense. Still waiting to see what's going to go on with Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah.
A
I mean this was a low high ankle sprain.
D
Yep.
A
Which always sounds oxymoronic to me but yeah, we don't know if he's going to play this week. You would think this would be week four that he misses. They probably would have at least considered IR if too many of these long.
C
We'Ve had Bucky Irving that we didn't plan on lasting this long. We didn't know Joe Mixon was going to last this long. We didn't know Amari and Hampton was going to like we've had a couple of injuries that have come up for us this year for major players that have lingered longer than I thought we thought they would. I don't know if that was a sentence anyways. But great matchup this week. Titans have allowed the sixth most fantasy points to wide receivers. If there is no Brian Thomas Jr. Especially I want to take a quick look last four weeks wide receivers against the Titans. Week 12 JSN had 37.1. Week 11 Nico had 24.2. Week 9 Quinton Johnston, by the way, they all kind of did some things here, but 15.3 in week nine, that was the bad game. And then week eight Michael Pittman 23.83. The last four games over 23 and a half fantasy points. Great matchup. If there's no Brian Thomas Jr. I think even though there's no teams on a buy. Jacoby Myers has worked his way into the flex play now that he's a Jacksonville Jaguar definitely gets a boost if.
A
The there is no BTJ on Sunday. My next question here is how are we playing the Chargers pass catchers right now?
D
Oh man.
A
Chargers come back from the game.
D
We had a lot of, a lot of similarities on our list of topics for sure because this was. I wrote about this in the playbook.
A
Yeah. So let's just talk about where things were at with the Chargers in the four games prior to their buy last week. I'm going to give you the four notable names and you guys decide which, if any, deserve to be in lineups.
C
Sounds good.
A
Lad McConkey over the last four games, 27 targets. He has the most of any Charger during that span. He also has two games over 20 fantasy points and two games under 10 fantasy points. He has one game with more than five catches. So probably Lad is the one you have the most confidence in. However, the Lad that we kind of hoped for coming into the season, I don't think is there.
C
That ain't it.
A
It's 8 to 10 catches a game. Lad probably isn't there. He's probably closer to wide receiver 20 than he is wide receiver 10 going into this game. Quinton Johnson, I think we can say for now put him on ice and just, you know, stash him on your bench if you need to because he has two games out of those last four with bagels, zero fantasy points in two of those four games. In the other two games he has a total of nine catches and he has a high of 53 receiving yards. So Quinton Johnson has kind of become Quinton Johnson, for lack of a better term.
D
Doesn't even really so weird because his first four games were all good. Yes, he was great. He's 14 plus fantasy points five times this year and four of them are the first four weeks of the season.
C
It doesn't even feel like he's like a boom option dart throw anymore. Like, I don't feel like the I know the ceiling technically is still there, but with what we've seen recently, if I I feel like there's better dart.
D
Throws out there Jameson Williams than he is like what he was the first.
C
Month where he's slander at Jameson WILLIAMS.
D
Right now, 90% of the snaps still playing a lot.
A
All right, great matchup. Great matchup. Great matchup. Let me hammer that one home. So it's possible all these guys the Raiders could go off Keenan Allen over the last four games has not had more than six targets, has not had more than four catches. He has no touchdowns. He has no more than 53 yards and perhaps most notably in two games out of the last four in which they blew opposing teams out. That being the I think it was the Charger. Sorry. The Vikings and the Steelers, I think were the two blowouts in their last four. He played 26 and 37% of the snaps. He's in there on money situations, got to have it. Or if we're trailing and throwing the football a lot. You guys ask yourself whether the Chargers, who are healthy favorites over at ESPN bet, are likely to be playing from behind against a Raiders team that cannot throw the football, and my answer is they probably won't be. So I would have Johnson and Allen out of lineups. McConkey is in as a wide receiver, too. And last but not least, Ronde Gats in the second, who maybe is the steadiest out of these four guys right now. He has five or more targets in each of the last four games. Five, five, six and five. So not a ton of upside, but at least there is a steady floor there. His Target share is 17.9% in each of those games or higher. It's that time again. The holidays are here, and if your partner is asking what to get you, make it easy. Tell them to add manscaped to the list this year. From the beard hedger to the lawnmower trimmer, manscaped keeps you clean, confident and ready for every holiday gathering. These aren't just gifts, they're smart upgrades for your daily routine. So this season, give the gift of grooming and confidence that lasts long after the wrapping's gone. Take advantage of Target's Black Friday deals and get 25% off all power shavers. Hurry. Offer ends November 30th Coca Cola for.
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To be on the field like he is on the field except for when he is hurt. You mentioned Johnson also on the field like McConkey and Allen especially. But those guys might be off for a couple of specific sets. Ronde Gadson's pretty much playing every snap for the Chargers at least when Justin Herbert drops back to pass.
C
Yeah he was a higher end tight end prospect. I feel like when he kind of busted out and he sort of fallen back into a he's just like a part of that. A low end tight end one. Yeah exactly.
D
Raiders have really struggled against receivers. It's where offensives have attacked but tight.
A
Ends have against them.
D
Yeah they've they've no they've done a.
A
Good job against I've struggled against the Raiders.
D
Yeah the. Yeah Titans exactly right. I think said the Titans that's where my brain was like is he talking about the Titans? My brain and process but yeah I've got some nine so I have him like as a fringe tight end one startable McConkey lineup lock. The other two are are Flyers I mean Allen I mean under 11 points in seven of his last eight it's kind of hard to believe feel like that but it has been bad for a while but with this offense it could be an Allen week. You just don't know. So they are all still the all three receivers in a good matchup against the Raiders all at least flex options. Again I would put McConkey higher but it's not like auto bench because they're still involved in this this offense.
A
It's all over the map.
D
But at times it's been good and this is a good matchup. Yeah.
C
I would like to ask you guys, as my final topic, who would you rather start this week, same game, other side of the football? It's either DK Metcalf or Khalil Shakir at the wide receiver position. And I want to talk about what both of these wide receivers in the matchup looks like because it's a an interesting conversation to me. DK had 14.4 fantasy points last week. Let's rejoice.
A
Yay.
C
Congratulations finally.
D
And he missed some time with the injury, but we talked about that in ff. Now that a rare plus matchup and.
C
He came through and by coming through, I just want to quickly look at the box score. This is what DK Metcalf coming through looked like. Five catches for 22 yards, two carries for 12 yards and a rushing touchdown.
D
Yeah, he scored but again he.
A
He missed five catches.
C
Oh yes.
A
It was a red zone question.
C
It was it really?
A
Yeah. Five or more catches for dk.
C
So fourth straight game and obviously you said that he got hurt and we got banged up as a part of that. So. But this is a situation in which we have. We finally started to see it. Unfortunately, because he got hurt another game under 50 receiving yards, I think that we would have seen him over 50 receiving yards. It kind of feels like we were leaning that direction with five catches. However, five for 22 is still real low. But it's a great matchup against the Bills this week which you really like. Khalil Shakir though last week played the Houston Texans. You know what he did against the Houston Texans?
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I know.
C
17 fantasy points, 88 catches, 110 yards and 17 fantasy points. Double digit fantasy points in eight of his 911 games this year. Excuse me, eight of his 11 games, seven plus targets in four of his last five. The Steelers have allowed the most fantasy points to wide receivers this year. I have Khalil Shakir at wide receiver 23 and DK Metcalf as wide receiver 25. I think I'm the only one that has Shakira head. I'm curious though, are both of them flex plays for you guys here in week 13?
D
Yeah.
A
It's funny. By the way, Shakir at the beginning of last game, I think he was up to three catches for four yards at one point and then he turned it on. They had the 44 yard catch on the. The all out blitz by the Texans and then the hook and ladder.
C
Yeah, yeah.
A
Separate play. Actually that was like the swing pass to Shakir where there was nobody there. So he came on strong down the stretch in that game.
D
I'm fine with that.
A
I think they're both. They're both flex options and I think Shakir, you know, whose quarterback do you trust more? Aaron Rodgers expected to be back.
C
Yeah, we're assuming he's going to be understood Metcalf.
D
Probably going to draw Christian Benford shadow coverage in this one. He's been better the last couple of weeks. He slowed down receivers so that's not ideal for Metcalf. We know he struggled. He's averaging nine points per game. He's been shadowed this season. That's five game sample and then Pittsburgh. By the way we thought they might have the best corners in the NFL and they might out of any of them. Darius Slay was benched last week. He was coming off an injury so maybe he plays more this week. Joey Porter's been beat up and in and out of the lineup. We'll see if he goes this week. And Jalen Ramsey's playing safety now so they have made a big shake up to that trio and maybe they should have because they're again they've let the most fantasy points to receiver as a.
C
Part of this Bill's wide receiving core. Have you guys heard any updates at all on the Keon Coleman situation and what's going happen to I would expect.
A
Him to be inactive until further notice.
D
Cooks there now and he's on the act.
C
I saw. Yeah.
D
So I wonder if Tyrell Shaver, Gabe Davis is even promoted this week because they have so many receivers. You don't want to be carrying around eight receivers.
A
So Shavers play so much on special teams.
D
He'll be active.
C
Yeah, he'll.
A
He'll do anyways.
C
All right.
A
You got a couple more right?
D
Yeah. Two more Minnesota offense JJ McCarthy. I I think it's the same unsubscribe he's. I. I don't think he's going to play in this one but Max Brosmer, undrafted rookie may step in. I'm not sure. It'd be hard to be worse than McCarthy who's McCarthy's been really aggressive. Highest average at the throw in the NFL but his catch rates the lowest efficiency across the board. Terrible. Brosmer can't be much worse than that and it's already a disaster. Justin Jefferson under 11 and a half fantasy points and three straight despite guys he is a career high target share this season. Is he really high target chair and it's still been so bad because of the quarterback play. Jordan Addison. Auto bench. You can almost cut him if you want. 10 or fewer fantasy points. And four straight.00 last week.
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Yeah.
D
TJ Hawkinson. Since JJ McCarthy came back, 6.2 fantasy points per game. It's been rough.
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I'm top 25 tight end in our rankings this week.
D
It's unreal. And you're playing Seattle, who is outstanding defensively.
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Good luck. Max Brosmer.
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Jeff, I don't feel good starting Jefferson. I'm still going to do it because even if we downgrade him a ton, you're still probably like wide receiver, 25 or something. I think you have to start him. No one else? No. I mean, they're going to run the ball. The last two weeks they were really run heavy. I think they're going to try to run. So maybe Aaron Jones can hang on a lot of targets for him, too.
C
I just. I want to push you on that. Like, I also have him ranked up there as a. Like, I don't think you have to start Justin.
D
I'm not saying, like, what's your situation?
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I got one. I got one for you. You ready?
D
If you're. If you're in a good spot, you can get away.
A
Gut call. Ready? Gut call right here, right now. And if you guys hate this, let me know. Justin Jefferson.
C
Hate it.
D
Thank you.
C
You're welcome.
A
Or Michael Wilson.
D
I'm going to go Jefferson. Unless Harrison's out. Harrison's out. I'll go Wilson.
A
Okay. Let's leave it there. If Harrison is out, who you play?
C
Michael. I would go with Michael Wilson for sure.
A
What kind of game is this?
D
Yes.
A
We spend hours upon hours throughout the off season thinking about things. And then we spend hours upon hours during the season doing our best to compartmentalize. Yes, it is. But man alive. If I told you you're benching Justin Jefferson in favor of Michael Wilson. You know, my God.
C
I guess this goes to answer the question. When I say, like, well, I could throw passes to Jefferson. Justin Jefferson and still do it like that. We're not at a point.
A
You have a pretty good arm.
C
Well, I appreciate that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. That's going to be an interesting one to watch. We'll see what Justin Jefferson, if he.
D
This could be a disaster. I was going to say it's already been a disaster.
C
If he duds and gets another. You said three straight. Four straight games. Under three out of four. Under eleven and a half.
D
Under eleven, I think.
A
Eleven and a half.
D
Under eleven and a half and three straight.
C
If he does that again this week. Heading into the fantasy playoffs, even though we've talked about how good the matchup is for JJ McCarthy, it's going to be really tough for me. We'll have some conversations about how you can feel trusting Justin Jefferson as a starting wide receiver in a win or go home matchup.
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Please, Max, Please. Yes. Good. Somehow it's.
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He was asking a lot. New Hampshire.
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Of an undrafted rookie. It's asking a lot.
C
But let's, let's hope Channer channel your inner. Nick Mullins, C.J.
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Carson, Wentz. That's fine.
C
Yes, exactly. All those things.
D
Ball in their hands. That's all we're asking. All right.
C
You got one more, Mike.
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Yeah. The only other one was, we already talked about it. Joe Burrow coming back from the injury. And this one, I, I, look, I know we debated Brissette. I was on the Burrow side. It's. I can be convinced either way. It's close. I'm a little worried about how much Burrow may run in this game, which could limit his upside. But again, you're playing Baltimore. That's been really good against quarterbacks, but it is Joe Burrow. At the end of the day, we know they're going to throw the ball a ton. This is a pass heavy offense. And if you're going to get as projected, 39 pass attempts from Joe Burrow. Hard guy to bench. So I'm fine starting him, but he's a friend. He's at 11 for me. So he's a fringe starter.
C
Fringe guy, not a lineup loss.
A
Jamar Chase back, by the way. No T. Higgins this weekend, but Jamar Chase is back, which, by the way, whenever Tekkens is out, my first instinct is always Micah Sicki time, baby.
C
Last year he was playing great without him.
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Awesome without him. Last year.
D
Oh, last year.
A
Yes, last year.
C
Yep. Let's take a look at the poll that we had. We threw it at our chat. Who would you rather play, Jacoby Brissette or Joe Burrow?
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That helps nothing.
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51% says Jacoby Brissette. 49% says Joe Burrow.
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I was going to predict 54% Brissette.
C
This is.
D
Okay, so I don't want to. I don't want to.
A
You know what this reminds me of? That's amazing, the questions I get on Sunday from friends. Like, I don't ever have friends who are like, hey, man, I'm really debating between Josh Allen and Zach Wilson. Like, who would you start this weekend? Like, I never get those.
D
No, right.
A
Like, instead, it's It's Jacoby Brissett or Joe Burrow. It's Michael Wilson or Justin Jefferson. Where it's like, it is pretty much a coin flip.
D
Yeah.
C
It's not. It's not great.
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So if you feel like asking me between, you know, Patrick Holmes or Peyton Manning this weekend, by all means, do it.
C
Do you feel strongly enough to do a board bet, Mike Clay? Probably not, no. All right.
D
So not.
C
You don't like fun. Mike doesn't like fun. So we won't do it.
D
I always say yes, but not this.
C
Not this time. All right, that's going to do it for our preview. We got a couple more things here.
D
A couple of things. We got to do a Thursday and Friday activity.
C
So here's the Raheem Sanders Monopoly Fund. I want to give a shout out. We hit two players this week.
D
We did. And we got some people on social tailed us.
C
So that's amazing.
A
Why you wouldn't be tailing every week.
D
Yeah.
C
At this point, you put $2 on.
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Every player every week. You would be up so much this season.
C
So our producers had Colby Parkinson, the tight end for the Rams, got into the end zone, shout out to them, and then, Mike, Yes. You benefited by having Mitchell Tinsley get in the end zone after T. Higgins went down with a concussion, unfortunately, by the way. Yeah, he did.
A
He ratted up on that one, too.
D
No. Who was it?
A
Christian Gonzalez.
D
Oh, yeah. He was corner in the league. Yeah, he did score that touchdown late, but he was playing the whole game. He was involved. He played like 40 snaps or whatever it was. So he was a big part of that offense. As expected.
C
It came through incredible. How about that? Two wins on the week. That means you only get half the money because the producers take half the money as well, which sucks for you. Well, you should care if you're trying to catch field.
D
I'm just here for the people.
C
Oh, is that what it is?
A
Raheem Sanders is on cameo, by the way. Like, maybe next year leading will just be Raheem saying, welcome in the Raheem Sanders Monopoly fundable.
C
No. We got to make that happen. All right, well, we got a bunch more players to be able to choose from.
A
We. A bunch more. Yeah. I mean, is anybody point 1% or lower?
C
So at this point, it's going to be tough. I think all this money comes out and it gets divvied up. I will.
D
Producers.
C
Yeah, I'll. I'll divvy it up for you guys. Mike, why don't you give me the player that you're going to do this week.
A
I'm still hoping for our first.
C
Yeah, we're really working on it. Guys.
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Man. The guy I'm going with is zero percent rostered. He was my second choice last week. I didn't go with him but I'm going with him this week because he did play a ton last week. He ran 38 routes for the New Orleans Saints. It's Mason Tipton. They draw Miami. He did have four targets and a carry last week, but he has never scored a touchdown in his career.
A
Wow.
D
We'll see if he can get it done.
C
That is your cash.
A
Mason Tipton is one of Yale's finest. Right.
D
There you go.
C
I like that.
A
Next up for me here is a player that might need Marvin Harrison Jr. To be out again to matter but Xavier Weaver, the wide receiver from the Arizona Cardinals, Xavier Worthy.
C
Worthy's been dropped in the Buffalo leagues.
A
Xavier Weaver also rostered in 0.0%.
C
I like it.
A
He has back to back games with three targets and we mentioned Jacoby Brissette is throwing the ball all over the yard. So give me Xavier Weaver.
C
Love that. I'm going to go with a guy that has been chosen before and is getting a ton of run in his offense but is still only rostered in 0.1% leagues.
D
I know where you're going.
C
And it is Greg Dolcich.
A
Nice.
C
Wow.
D
He's still.
C
Yes.
D
Wow. He's projected as a top fringe top 25.
C
He's got a projection of like 7.1 points and he's rostered in 0.1% of leagues.
D
Darren Waller could be activated this year was you're taking so I turn to practice.
C
I am not worried about that. So we'll see how that one goes. Well, hopefully we get a couple more here.
A
Yeah.
C
Shout out. I do not have our producers pick Our producers will give me the pick as we go through but obviously it's a Wednesday night once once we know how things work out exactly. Let's spin the wheel of our Week 12 punishments. Let's throw up what our rosters looked like last week for our starts of the week while we get things around here.
A
One good pick, Caleb Williams last week.
D
Came up huge for me. Shout out Hunter Henry.
A
Oh yeah. Yeah. Good call on them.
D
Bengals one in doubt. Mark Andrews draws the you know who.
C
You had last week by any chance?
A
I had Caleb Williams. I remember that my wild car was Stefan Digsa, Kenneth Walker the third and Juwan Johnson. No, I mean picking the absolute wrong wild card was the undoing for me. So Mike, Who'd you have 49.36 fantasy points.
D
I had Jacoby Brissette put up 18. Ricky Piersol had a dud, man disappointed in that one. But Ken Walker 13 that solid. And again the wild card won it for me. 24 and a half from Hunter Henry.
C
I had Sam Darnold 17.6, Darnell Mooney. That one paid off. And by paid off, I mean don't ever do it again because he had three targets and found the end zone. But that's all that matters, guys. Chase Brown at 15 and then Juwan Johnson 10.6. I technically won this week. 15:59.6. Fields, you're in last. So let's go ahead and spin the wheel, my friend.
A
Baby.
D
We got, we got super, super sour.
C
Starts of the week.
A
So I think that means I have like, like 10 more heads in my mouth.
C
Yeah, probably something similar to that. We'll find something super sour for you to do it. Yeah, we'll do a sour candy. How are you with sour candy?
A
We'll find out next week.
D
Okay. We don't have that on us so we're gonna save the your punishment for next week. Punishment warheads.
A
Yeah. All right.
C
All right. Well, we'll see. We'll figure out what that one's going to be.
D
We'll have sour and like spicy or something or a sour and an ice bath. You have to do your picks with sour.
C
That would great.
A
Lose next week.
C
Yeah, that'd be so good. Does a beer count as a sour? Are you able to have one of those? Why not? Yeah, I'd rather do that than the rest of it. All right, let's dive into our week 13 starts of the week field. Because you came in last, I'm going to let you go first.
A
Alrighty. I'm going to use my wild card at quarterback. It's a name that has already been on the show today. It's Bo Nix.
C
I did not pick that one. I like that we're different.
A
Bonix just inside the top 10, but not into the top five. Of course he plays the Commanders. Prior to Tuatango Bailoa stinking against the Commanders, they had allowed four straight quarterbacks to score 23 or more fantasy points. My running back has also come up on the show. Tyrone Tracy Jr. Oh, I like it. Is going to face the Patriots on Monday Night Football. We'll see whether Jackson Dark clears concussion protocol by then. Certainly seems like he will. That being said, Tyrone Tracy, probably going to be their lead back wide receiver has also come up on the show it's Jacoby Myers.
C
Yeah, baby.
A
Would be a little bit less exciting if there is Brian Thomas Jr. On the field. That being said, if there's no Brian Thomas Jr. Meyer should be locked into a nearly 100% of the snaps role. And finally, I love this call. You guys keep telling me. Yeah, you got to attack the Bengals.
C
With the tight end.
A
They play the Ravens on Thursday night. Mark Andrews, team's all time leading receiving yardage person. I'm going with Isaiah Likely.
C
Yeah.
A
Because why not? I know. Yeah. I would have had to use my wild card.
C
Isaiah likely is due for one boom game every year. He hasn't had it yet.
D
Like solid. Not Andrews level. But they're.
C
But they're solid. But I mean, he should have a boom game.
A
This is not like fantasy football is way too goofy to pick the chalkiest tight end.
C
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. All right, Mike, where are you gonna go?
D
All right, guys, I did not use my wild card at quarterback, but I'm gonna go with a guy I like way more than Joe Burrow. Jacoby, of course, draws the bucks. Great matchup. I'm talking myself into Brissetto. I know.
A
You really are.
D
I love it throughout the show. It is close, though. Yeah, Brissette, for me, my wild card is running back because this guy, I'm so lucky he came in at RB6 and not 5. Yeah. Derrick Henry, you gotta pick on the Bengals where you can. So I'm gonna use a wild card against the Bengals again. Derek Henry in a great spot this year. Wide receiver. I went Keenan Allen here, you know, I know.
A
No risk it.
D
No quiet. But, you know, he, based on what was outside the top 30, I thought he was a solid option in a good matchup against the Raiders. And my tight end is playing Friday night. Dallas Goddard like that. I go Bears. He's cooled a little bit lately, but Chicago seventh most fantasy points to tight end. So feeling Dallas Goddard like that where.
C
I'm going to start. I went with a wild card at the quarterback spot. Number seven in our rankings, number two in our hearts behind Jared Goff. It is Mat Stafford, obviously at the quarterback spot. The dude has been on a heater, I think. 24, 26 passing touchdowns, seven straight passing, 27 touchdowns, no interceptions. I saw that the other day when I was wandering the halls on our network.
D
Is this one of them trap games that go into Carolina and score like maybe nine points or something? Happens in Carolina.
A
Carolina, not bad against the pass.
C
Could be, could be. But I am going to Continue to trust Matthew Stafford with the two guys that he's got a good relationship with. That is my wild card at the running back spot. I'm going with a guy I talked about, Kenny Gainwell, who has been really good each last two weeks. Running back 22. Great matchup against the Bills. Obviously it's a two running back system, but I'm going to lean on that receiving game usage that he's been getting at wide receiver. I'm going back to the well because after a dud, you know they're going to get things back on track. Jameson Williams on Thursday. I can't quit him.
A
I don't blame you.
C
He's been really outside of the zeros, which is a major problem. You don't love saying that sentence.
A
Don't worry, Daniel. This reminds me of when I play golf and I say if you only count my pars, I shot even part.
C
Thank you, field.
A
Don't count my bogeys.
D
Yeah. By the way, he was shadowed by by Cordell flat last week who was the like third man up for. I mean he's been good as the two for the Giants, but generally doesn't shadow. But he shadowed him in that game and did a nice job.
C
At the tight end position. Someone else that we talked about very briefly, it is going to be Orande Gadsden. I just love the matchup against the Raiders. I know he's a tight end, but like he's just the pass catcher. Raiders are just not good against pass catch.
A
Okay, so we've got all of our starts of the week this week and we have. I'm sure we could get to some mailbag time, but can we potentially hijack this and yes, please field instead.
D
Mini draft.
A
Mini draft. We're going to draft Thanksgiving foods. What do you guys think?
D
Let's go.
A
You want to do this?
D
Give me. Yep.
A
Yeah or nay. Okay, we're going to go around the clock here. We're going to start and I flip the coin and Mike, you go first. Daniel goes second, I go third. You have to draft Thanksgiving food.
D
So my. I was just having this conversation with my daughter like last night and I, I. The way I worded it made her laugh so much. But I was like my favorite food to stick my fork in.
A
Jake.
D
What? Like the texture or something? Like what are you talking about? But I just meant, you know, like you get that. Like which one are you most excited full of mine is stuffing.
A
Stuffing clear and obvious. Number one. It's so far above everybody else.
C
Yeah.
D
You agree the best Yes. I love it.
A
You don't like stuffing the best out of all Thanksgiving options?
C
I don't like it the best out of all Thanksgiving options. I do like it.
A
Well, the good news is it is ranked. You have the second pick, and you can take whatever you like best.
C
It is handmade mashed potatoes and gravy. If there's not some lumps in it, there's gotta be a little bit of lumpiness. I think that's a part of a classic mashed potato dish.
A
So a lot of options here. Yeah. I say lumpy mashed potatoes.
C
Yeah. Well, that's what else you call them.
D
What do you mean? That's good.
A
A lot of options here. I feel like, you know, cranberry sauce.
C
Not a cranberry guy.
A
You know, my brother makes an incredible deep fried turkey. I'm not a huge fan of just, like, regular. It's solid, but it's not going to, like, knock my socks off. It's important to the meal. It's versatile. I'm going to go with Mac and cheese dough on Thanksgiving.
D
Do you throw us the curveball with the turkey? You just went to the.
A
I just wanted to say, like, I want to give turkey some respect, but I'm in on Mac and cheese. I like Mac and cheese that has some texture on the top to it.
D
Okay.
A
It's been baked with something on the top. Like, it's like.
C
It's almost like a brown. Like you. It's been, like, crisped or something.
D
I do Mac and cheese for Thanksgiving.
C
Damien Woody, I know, is a big Mac and cheese for Thanksgiving guy. We've talked about that as well.
A
So that's number three. What's next year? Yeah.
D
Are we going?
A
Yeah, we'll do one more.
C
Let's do one more.
D
We're going all the way around. We're going.
A
Why not?
D
We're getting 10.
A
What is this?
D
Fantasy football show? Yeah.
A
Oh, do you want to go fantasy everything.
C
Like, we got it.
D
Look, it's so, like, turkey. So obvious turkey.
A
That's fine.
D
I'm going to go.
A
I'm.
D
I'll go turkey with gravy. I feel like, look, let's be real. Like, turkey generally is a little dry. Yeah, that's okay. But you put some gravy on there. It's amazing. I love turkey with.
C
I agree. Are you doing a turkey this year?
D
Yes.
C
Are you. Are you going to spatchcock your turkey or.
D
I don't think we're going to spatchcock the turkey, but we spatchcock chickens, right?
E
All.
D
All the Time.
C
Okay. Back in the day, I think something. Yeah, there was something there. I don't remember what.
D
At some point. You never heard of that or something.
C
I had no idea what words you guys had just said.
A
I still don't know what it means.
C
Me either.
D
Megan. I make. And the girls make spatchcock chickens, and we make, like, different types of potato recipes all the time. We try different things, and it's. They're, like, almost always home runs. Anything with potatoes, I will just say.
C
For the turkey, I'm a dark meat guy, so, like, that's. That's the part of the turkey that I'm a fan of.
A
Yes, I agree on that. Yep.
C
Yep. After that, I would go with corn. I'm a big corn, and I realize it's real. It's kind of basic, but you can do some really good things with corn. It mixes in with a lot of other foods. Well, I think it's just a nice staple to fit in and fill out the rest of the lineup.
A
Okay. All right. All right. So I went with Mac and cheese, which is not, like, super, like, exclusive to Thanksgiving. So I'll go to cranberry sauce, because that is a Thanksgiving cook. There are other parts that I could have picked, but they are more in line with the rest of the year. Cranberry sauce. Now, now. Cranberry sauce, definitely. This is a hot take here. I prefer, like, homemade cranberry sauce, like, the kind that you put on the stove and however you want to make it. Right.
C
Yep.
A
I will tolerate canned cranberry sauce.
C
Can you tell the difference? If someone came up and gave it.
A
To you, you're like, oh, that's entirely different texture.
C
You can just see.
A
I will tolerate it. I prefer the homemade, but I will tolerate canned cranberry sauce. Some people think it's absolutely nasty. I don't think it's nasty. I just prefer homemade.
D
Okay. I'm not a big fan. That's not something I. But there are two things that we missed that I have to mention. Good butter roll.
C
Oh, butter rolls are huge.
D
Butter rolls. No desserts need that.
A
Yeah.
D
And, yeah, that's where I was going next. Pumpkin. Pumpkin pie. That's the last thing I need.
A
You sound like Mel Kuiper Jr. Right now.
C
Yeah, I'm not a pumpkin pie guy.
D
That's my dessert.
A
We did a blind rankings of Thanksgiving foods on first draft, which drops in an hour in video form. It was the first time that Mel has ever done blind rankings before, and safe to say, like, he's the most incredible human of all time. Because it did not make any sense to him.
C
Of course. Of course.
A
We got down to the last thing, and he was like, where's my gravy? He's like, I want gravy. We're like, that's not how it works, Mel. He's like, well, gravy's number one. He's like, but you can't have gravy. He goes, no, I'm putting gravy number one, and everything else is moving down. And we're like, you know what, Mel?
C
Draft integrity doesn't matter when Mel's a part of it. Just let him have what he wants.
A
Mel, what's going to happen is we're going to get to the start of the draft next year, and Julian Sain, the quarterback from Ohio State who's not eligible, would be probably the number one pick if he came out.
C
He's like, I want Julian.
A
I was going to go, here we go. Cleveland Browns takes Julian, saying, I'm doing.
D
This fantasy next year. If I get, like, pick 11, I'm just going to be like, I want Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, there you go. No, that's what I want.
A
Oh, man. Let's do it.
C
All right, let's dive into a couple of questions really quickly before we get out of here and let you guys get on to better things with the weekend. Ty Selves wants to know. Okay, start three. Roma Dunze, J. Mo, Kenny Gainwell, Justin Jefferson, D.K. metcalf, Michael Wilson.
D
Oh, dear Lord.
C
Okay, so hold on. Roma Dunn. I'm gonna. I feel bad. Sor our production crew and that back up on the screen.
D
Jefferson, Metcalf and Michael Wilson.
C
Do we want to approach this as though Marvin Harrison Jr. Is playing or not playing? Let's say he's playing.
D
Just meaning I think I go Metcalf. If he's not, I go Wilson.
A
Meaning you go Metcalf plus A Dunes A.
D
And I'm locking in Jefferson and A Dunes A.
A
Okay, Jefferson A, Dunes A. And you can make this pivot on Sunday. If Marvin Harrison Jr. Plays, you play Betcal. If not, you play Michael Wilson. Thought, yeah, I'd agree there.
C
Yeah, I'm fine with that. I can get behind that. All right, next question that we have. This one comes from random thought 2. Starting Javante and Bree at running back, Puka and Ted at wide receiver, and Michael Wilson at flex. If Bucky Irving does roll, should I make any changes to the lineup?
A
I'd give it a week. Yeah, I want to see. Because the Bucks have also been very clear like, when we get Bucky back, he might be a part time player at the very beginning of his retirement return.
C
Yeah, I agree with you.
D
You could say, hey, he's so good.
A
He.
D
He was. His first month of the season, he was outstanding. He was like, what, fifth in fantasy points per game? Six. Something like that. He's going to be great at some point, but we don't know. He might have eight carries and three targets and that's it. We. We just don't know. There's uncertainty and you have to accept that.
C
And this week, knowing that you're starting Michael Wilson in your flex, that's not low enough to be like, boy, I'm thinking about Buck Y. Irving over that guy. So I think you're in a good spot here. All right, we got one more question. This one comes from standby. Trenton Hartley wants to know, I traded Gadsden and Jefferson for Kelsey and Nico. How you feel?
A
That got a tight end upgrade, right? We agree on that.
D
Yes.
A
And then I think a wide receiver.
D
Wide receiver upgrade probably upgraded both.
A
Not that Nico's been unbelievable, but like, he's probably. You trust him more than Jefferson right now.
C
I would agree with that.
D
That guy's just showing off. Yeah.
C
All right, that's going to do it for our show today. Before we get out of here. I know that we all work with a bunch of unbelievable people. Mike is one of them. Look at this from trophy smack that we sent us.
D
Thanks. Trophy smack. They sent me this haiku. Nice little haiku on there.
C
Yeah.
D
Pain.
C
So this is great.
D
Thank you.
C
So we can put that up somewhere in the studio or on a refrigerator or something like that. Does that sound right?
D
Freedom to add pain right here.
C
That's so good. Yeah. You can sign it. Hand sign it here.
D
Oh, yeah.
C
Freaking love that.
D
So shout out to trophy.
C
Shout out to trophy smack. Absolutely. Very thankful for them.
D
We got this. We got your shirt.
C
That's right.
D
Building a brand.
C
Folks, we're doing some good things here. And we want to give a shout out to everybody that works on this show. All of our producers, Tyler, Christina, Dave, Quinton, Zach, everybody. We have a ton of directors that we get to work with. Brandy and Brian and Dan and a bunch of people across the board.
A
Earl.
C
Yep. There's so many that honestly, and there's so many people that work on the show that are just behind the scenes that we don't get a chance to see on a daily basis. Without them, we would not be able to do this and have a show available to you guys. So we are very grateful for the village that helps put on Fantasy Focus here. And without them, this would not be able to be a show. So thank you to all of you guys.
A
Amen to that.
C
And make this happen.
A
Thanksgiving, everybody. Enjoy that football.
C
Today's show is presented by Wingstop. Don't forget to love each other. Be kind to yourself. You deserve it. Have fun with your family. You know what? If you needed time, go ahead and just, like, break away. Thanksgiving could be a stressful time. Maybe it can be a really awesome time. It's okay to just, like, take a minute to yourself, by the way. Don't worry about that. And. And have fun watching Thursday football and Friday football and Sunday football and Monday football this week. We'll see you on fantasy football now on Sunday morning.
Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Field Yates, Daniel Dopp, Mike Clay
Theme: The crew previews Week 13, providing deep lineup advice, injury insight, and strategic tips for setting winning fantasy football lineups amid a packed weekend slate.
This episode dives deep into the Sunday and Monday games of Week 13, focusing on start/sit debates, player value discussions, and the evolving injury landscape. The hosts bring stats-driven analysis, debate fringe decisions (especially at RB and WR), and field live questions—all in a playful, energetic tone.
Timestamps: 02:25–05:28
05:29–06:29
06:35–09:46
09:46–12:45
13:23–15:21
17:34–20:48
20:48–22:36
22:38–24:04
24:14–27:40
27:35–29:03
29:18–31:45
31:46–33:18
33:18–36:07
40:05–42:48
43:11–44:49
46:10–46:43
Field (re: Saints RBs) [04:15]
“Devin Neal ranked the highest, but outside my top 20. Not super thrilled to start him.”
Daniel (on Emeka Egbuka) [08:01]
“A lot of that magic... has just worn off, and now there’s concerns about Baker Mayfield. I have gone from Egbuka being a clear WR2 to looking for other flex options.”
Mike (Burrow/Brissett debate) [29:54]
“Joe Burrow is coming back from a significant injury. The Ravens have allowed under 15 fantasy points to QBs six straight games.”
Field (on Michael Wilson/Marvin Harrison Jr.) [25:44]
“We don’t know if Marvin’s back, but even if he is, both are potentially startable. Brissett averages 43.5 attempts—volume rules.”
Mike (on Justin Jefferson) [44:06]
“I don’t feel good starting Jefferson, but you’re still probably wide receiver 25—you have to start him. No one else.”
Daniel (on DK vs. Shakir) [41:46]
“I have Khalil Shakir at WR23 and DK Metcalf at WR25. Both are flex plays.”
Field (on the daily struggle) [45:06]
“We spend hours in the offseason and then in-season, and suddenly... you’re benching Justin Jefferson for Michael Wilson!”
[57:01–61:45]
| Player/Topic | Recommendation | Rank/Comment | Timestamp | |----------------------|-------------------|------------------------------------------|-----------| | Devin Neal | Flex only | RB33, Saints RBs risky | 02:25-05:28 | | DeAndre Swift | Downgraded | Losing work to Herbert, risky | 05:29-06:29 | | Emeka Egbuka | Downgraded | WR15-26, volume but low production | 06:35-09:46 | | Jonathan Taylor | Still RB1, with caution | RB4-5, matchups tough | 09:46-12:45 | | Warren/Gainwell | Flex plays | Both viable, Gainwell slight edge | 17:34-20:48 | | RJ Harvey | Low-end RB2 | RB17, Commanders matchup | 20:48-22:36 | | Broncos WRs | Start both (Sutton, Franklin) | Both have strong matchups | 22:38-24:04 | | Chargers WRs/TE | McConkey locked, Gadsden II fringe TE1 | Allen/Johnson risky | 33:18-36:07 | | Michael Wilson | Flex | Especially if Harrison out | 24:14-27:40 | | DK Metcalf/Shakir | Both flex | Shakir slightly higher (Daniel’s ranks) | 40:05-42:48 | | Justin Jefferson | Fringe WR2/3 | Still start, but confidence slipping | 43:11-44:49 | | Jacoby Brissett | Startable, volume play | QB13, top 12 last 6 weeks | 27:35-29:03 | | Joe Burrow | Fringe QB1/2 | QB11, coming off injury | 46:10-46:43 |
For a week loaded with tough calls, questionable injury returns, and make-or-break matchups, the Fantasy Focus crew arms you with stats, context, and—above all—confidence to trust your process. Good luck in Week 13!