← Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry
Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry
Live from Radio Row at the Super Bowl + More Head Coaching hires
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We've made it to Northern California live here on Radio Row for Super Bowl 60. Seattle, New England, the Fantasy Football Happy Hour crew. We will be live every day at 2:00pm Eastern time here for the regulars here for everybody. We can't wait. We got a ton of guests on deck and this is one of our favorite weeks of the year, so let's get right into it.
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Fantasy football happy hour with matthew berry.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Football Happy Hour. We are here live from Radio Row for Super Bowl 60. Connor Rogers alongside Lawrence Jackson, a very spiffy Jay Croucher outdress the room. Matthew Berrien as usual.
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B
That's right. Oh, yeah, 100%, yeah. Feeling good, looking good. That shot at the beginning of the show of the Golden Gate Bridge. So beautiful, so majestic. Right. I kept waiting for the full house. Like it's just, you know, we might.
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A
Have stolen from there.
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B
Probably did, yeah. Yeah, probably did.
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A
Smooth trip, Matthew?
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B
Yeah, very honestly, very smooth trip. I was nervous with all the weather flying from the east coast obviously out here. But yeah, lovely trip. Had a great time. Did some, some readings, some research about the big game.
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A
Is that right? What'd you learn?
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Getting up to speed. Turns out the Seahawks are playing the. The Patriots and they played before in the Super Bowl.
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A
That's right. Who knew? That's right.
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B
I uncovered that little nugget.
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C
Yeah, yeah. Can we address breakfast this morning? Where Matth. Late to the table.
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B
Matthew didn't get.
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Wasn't invited also.
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C
I was not actually invited. I had the same kind of pathway as you to the breakfast, whereas those two and Rotopat and I just kind of snuck in. But we'll talk about the contents of what were consumed. So I had like oatmeal, some fruits, kind of get myself. You guys ate as though you're preparing to race in Daytona 500 with all the grease. What the hell was that? How do you guys function as human beings?
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Gotta fuel up, man. Gotta unpolishable.
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That's exactly right. It's the most important meal of the day.
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It might be the only meal of the day because.
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B
Because Jay and I weren't invited. Somehow that Connor and Lawrence and Rotopatch just had to have breakfast without me or Jay or producer Damian. So I just wandered in on my own. But so I was a little late. We only had like a half hour before we had to leave to come here for you beautiful people. So I got the buffet. And you know, listen, at those hotel buffets, the key there is volume because that's how they get you.
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C
It's a volume game.
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Super bowl week's all about factions. Me, Lawrence and Rotopad have decided, like we trust one another, we won't leave each other breakfast together.
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C
The image won't leave me anytime soon of Matthew Berry walking into a buffet, also holding like a giant microphone in your hand as you walk into a breakfast table. It's very weird, but I wasn't plugged into anything.
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B
Never know when the show's gonna break out.
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A
Oh man, it's gonna be a fun week here, if you can't tell already. We do have a ton of guest plan, but today you're stuck with us four. We're gonna go through free agency for the quarterbacks, for the running backs, and of course we'll end with last call looking at some betting markets as we always do. So let's get right into it, fellas. Let's get into the Roto World Player news because some final it's been the final wa Coaching hires, head coaching hires, key coordinator hires as well. The Cardinals have finally found their next head coach. It will be Mike LaFleur, formerly the offensive coordinator with the New York jets, most recently the offensive coordinator under Sean McVay with the Rams. This is the sixth straight Arizona head coaching hire with no previous permanent NFL head coaching experience. So familiar road that Arizona goes down again, Matthew, it is.
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But look what's been the biggest issue for Arizona over the last number of years. Quarterback, right? They haven't been able to figure out quarterback. And so the big question is with Michael Fluor, is he there to fix Kyler Murray? Is he there to use Jacoby Brissette as a bridge to the next round? Or is he there to draft somebody and develop somebody? This is somebody. Obviously you're familiar with him from his time with the jets there, but you think about he's from the McVay tree, he's from the Kyle Shanahan tree. This is a guy that was also part of the he was The San Francisco 49ers passing game for a number of years. Obviously the brother to Matt LaFleur, he is part of that. He is close with Kyle and McVay and obvious, obviously his brother. So he's from that tree. So you would expect a good offense and for all of the challenges that the Cardinals have as a franchise, offensively, they've been able to move the ball. They have some pieces there. This is a better job than I think again, we can talk about ownership and their support there, but feels like in terms of a lot of times when you're Taking a job. There's not a lot of talent around. You know, there's the exceptions, the Bills of the world, but for the most part, like. But the Cardinals, for a team that didn't do that well this year, there's some pieces on defense and there's some pieces on offense. They just need to figure out the quarterback. And I assume that's what Coach LaFleur is there to do.
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C
Yeah. Firstly, I notice everyone else is wearing beige. I don't know what's going on with this. You, like, guys, look all exactly the same.
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D
I actually noticed that. I just was never going to say something, but I could always.
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A
The regulars were all over it.
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C
Yeah. Very, very troubling. Secondly, Lawrence, it feels like I wear.
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What'S put in my closet. I have no thought process.
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A
That's a good out for you. You don't dress yourself.
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B
I don't dress myself.
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C
Matthew hasn't dressed.
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Not at home, not on the air. My wife has to lay it out. Yeah, 1,000%.
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C
Yeah.
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If it wasn't for other people, my life, I would be walking around, like, in, you know, sweats and boxers.
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C
There was a. There was a brief period, ages 13 to 36, where you did dress yourself, but the surrounding years, on both sides, you did not. You did not dress yourself. Lawrence, it feels like the Cardinals, their quarterback situation is maybe the least clarified in the whole league because I was still like Kobe Brissette. We can do this again.
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D
Yeah. Remember, Jacoby Brissette completed 47 passes in a game. That's the NFL record. And I think even down the line, from a fantasy perspective, going to have to know what their plan is at the quarterback position. If you're sticking with Kyler Murray, the picture is clear. But if you come in and you as a new coach and want a new quarterback, that's going to be big. Is it a young guy? Is it a bridge like you said? Matthew Jacoby Brissette, like, that's going to shape the fantasy landscape for the team because we know Trey McBride. He's quarterback proof. Right. It's those other positions that we're going to have to worry about going forward.
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I like Mike LaFleur's aesthetic, by the way. Kind of strong draw. He looks like Casey Affleck in Manchester by the Sea meets, like, Sith Lord. Kind of some darkness going on there, but it's good.
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The other big question is, I love Smiley look. I love to be in on those meetings because it's like, I wonder, like, hey, man, does coach LaFleur, is he like we're moving on from Kyler, right? Or hey, I can fix Tyler or And the other part is what do we do with Marvin Harrison Jr. And Michael Wilson? Right? So I mean like is Michael, is Michael Wilson just a product of great, you know, negative game script and a quarterback that was focused on just getting him the ball because MHJ was out? Or is this like, hey, this is a kid that was a third round pick. Like again, Connor, you and I have talked about this. As somebody who's interviewed Michael Wilson, he's a great kid. He is just an awesome, awesome human being. Very bright and so I would think very coachable. And so you saw like, wow, maybe this is, I agree. Maybe this is kind of a third year breakup that we talked about.
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D
I think it's closer to that, Matthew, because Jacoby Brissette, he's played, he played a lot of this season and Marvin Harrison played in some of those games too. And he didn't quite have the, you know, the blow up games that Michael Wilson had like 185 yards in the game. It wasn't a mistake. And if you thought it was, he came back and put up 150, you know. So I think that the talent is really there.
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Could you guys see a scenario where if they believe in Michael Wilson and they obviously, you know, what they have in McBride, could you see them try to trade Marvin Harrison Jr. This is a team that has a lot of needs and could they get some picks for, for mha?
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I wouldn't be shocked by that kind of move. Is it a situation where, hey, we still believe in this guy's talent but we're going to invest in the roster elsewhere. Right. Of Arizona because they do. And you're going to make a decision on Michael Wilson soon. He's entering a contract year. So because he wasn't a first round pick, so you don't have the fifth year option on him, you have to decide do we want to pay this guy because somebody else will. That's what it comes down to. So I think from a fantasy angle this is good news because LaFleur who didn't call plays with the Rams, did a lot of good things there. He did call plays with the jets and when he called plays for any non Zach Wilson quarterback, the jets offense moved the ball really, really well. He was creative. So if you're looking for an optimistic hire from a fantasy angle, I think this was as good as Arizona could have done.
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I really, I completely agree with you and I also think it's just, it's going to be one of the teams that's going to be under the radar a little bit but fascinating to watch in the offseason because we talked about the quarterback, talked about Marvin Harrison Jr. And also the running back James Conner, who has always been so effective but bad injury a little bit older. What do they do with Trey Benson, another injury like so what do they do with the running back position? They've always been able to run the ball at least, you know, over the last handful of years. And obviously coming From a Shanahan McVeigh system, running the ball is so important to set up the passing game. So Cardinals are a fascinating team. But I agree with you Connor, that from a fantasy football perspective, I think we're happy with the hire of Mike.
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LaFleur and maybe the same can be said for the potential hire of Clint Kubiak to the Raiders. Not official yet because Clint Kubiak, he has an important job for the super bowl running the Seahawks offense and does call plays for the Seahawks offense. But this one expected to get done here. Jay and obviously Kubiak was one of the biggest riser type play caller names this season where there wasn't a ton of guys like this on the market in this coaching cycle.
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Yeah, perhaps a little bit of a tell how infatuated Tom Brady was with Clint Kubiak on the call of Rams Seahawks rightfully so. He called a great game there. I think it gets, it's perhaps a little bit lost that, that I don't think there's like an immense amount of talent on the Seattle offense like relative to a team that is now in the Super Bowl. Like the offensive line is very shaky coming into the year. Jason is perhaps the best receiver in football but outside of that, Ken Walker is constantly dealing with injuries. Sam Darnold obviously has extreme strengths and weaknesses, but Kubiak, the fact that he's been able to divide this offense around Donald's strengths. Also the fact that, you know, we kind of forget that the New Orleans Saints look like the best team in the world for two weeks last year before their offensive line, everything just collapsed. So I think the Kubiak, he's proven himself. He comes from the Shanahan tree naturally and he'll have a chance to be a Super bowl winning offensive coordinator going into this job. But yeah, I think it's pretty exciting pairing him with very likely Fernando Mendoza.
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And that's the most important talking point. Lawrence is that his job, his biggest goal will be to make sure Mendoza undergoes the right development as the Number one overall pick with an offense that had a really, really rough year for sure.
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And I think the reason why Clint Kubiak is in this position and is looked at as probably the top candid during this coaching cycle is because he's gotten the best out of Sam Darnold. We saw Sam Darnold be pretty damn good last season. He faltered during the end of the season, but now Sam Darnold got over that hump, played his best game of his career with Matthew Stafford on the other side coming right back at him. That's hard to do. So in knowing that if you're the Raiders, you got to feel confident knowing that, hey, if we're going to have a rookie quarterback number one overall, this is the guy that we feel could get the best out of him early.
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Well, but also the other thing about Kubiak is talked about, right, like he's so good at like play action and using, using his running back. And so when you go to a team that doesn't have a lot but does have Ashton Genti, so, you know, how can he use Ashton Genti to set up Fernando Mendoza for success? Bret Bowers obviously as well, they're going to need some help. But again, Kubiak, who, when he took the job at Seattle, he took the job thinking he was coming there with Geno Smith. Like he took the job before they made them. If I have my timing correct, I believe he was there prior to Geno moving on and then signing Sam Darnold.
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Because Gino got traded during free agency in March.
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Yeah. So, you know, and so sort of kind of like, okay, let me, let me switch gears a little bit. But to your point, like the job he's done with Sam Darnold, everyone knows Mike McDonald defensive, defensive side of the ball as a head coach. So, you know, congratulations to Clint Kubiak. And it's so interesting, right? We talk about sort of, you know, here's Mike LaFleur, brother of Matt Lafleur. Now here's Clint Kubiak, father, Gary Kubiak, obviously, you know, one of the long former NFL quarterback, longtime offense coordinator and head coach in the NFL. So another one from like NFL, NFL royalty, if you will. Jay, do me a favor, just turn to Connor and just say this in a somber tone. I'm sorry for your loss. Can you just try that for me?
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I'm sorry for your loss, Connor.
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Yeah, I mean, he's got a kind of a funeral director look to him, don't you think?
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You really do.
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Or how about your one shade with the Navy.
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I thought it looked okay, but it's.
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A very funeral directory. Or here's another one. Do me a favor. Turn to Lawrence and just say, don't worry, I will bring back John Wick.
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Don't worry, Lawrence. John Wick's coming home.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, guys. So I shouldn't wear this look when we interviewed Demar Hamlin on Wednesday.
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I'm just saying you look. You look like. You look like, you know, you look like the third bad guy in a John Wick movie. Yeah, you look like.
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I was hoping for John Wick himself.
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Yeah, you look like, ready, You're. You look like you're ready to, you know, walk into a private equity company and, you know, talk about. But some M and A. I like.
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A little private equity in the morning.
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Sure, sure.
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He also goes like briefcase style for whatever he brings. Laptop, iPad. I'm still in book bag Mode, like a 16 year old. But Jay, like, really looks professional.
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He really does. And it's uncomfortable.
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Yeah. Well, you've been wearing the same outfit for four years, so someone's got to change.
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It works for me. It works for me. Talk to wardrobe. Talk to NBC wardrobe.
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Like, thank God we found something.
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Every color say, don't ever go away.
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I don't think you understand how hard it is to make me presentable for television. God bless the NBC wardrobe department. Do you understand the challenges that team has, you know, to find anything that makes me look semi presentable? God bless them. I say one more.
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One more head coaching hire to break down here, guys. A bit of a surprise. The Browns go with Todd Monken, most recently Lamar Jackson's offensive coordinator with the Ravens here. So, Jay, a team that we don't know what the future of quarterback is going to be. We saw Shador Sanders already meet with Todd. Monken goes with a surprise offensive hire. There was a lot of noise for the younger guys in this coaching cycle along with Jim Schwartz. This one feels like it came out of nowhere a little bit.
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A little bit. Did this feel to you kind of like this is the NFL head coaching job that was the least wanted by the field?
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That's a good question, actually.
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I can't remember. We got people pulling out by the.
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End of the cycle. It felt a little scary because as you were looking around, they were interviewing Udinsky and all these younger guys. It's like there's some promise here and maybe that'll get more out of.
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But even these guys, like, Udinsky was like, yeah, I'll take the Bills coaching job, but if I Don't get that. Then I'm going to stay and be an oc.
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Yeah.
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I always thought that it was just going to be Jim Shorts. I like, I clearly he thought so too.
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Yeah.
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You know, and so, you know, bad offensive roster aside, I feel like they feel like they had their guy and then just like, boom. In fact, I would have felt like it would have seemed more like expected if Todd Monkin would have went over there as the offensive offensive coordinator.
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Right.
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And then you brought. And then you had Jim Shores become the head coach. But yeah, definitely a shot.
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How do you think Connor, he pairs with Sanders if Sanders is going to be the starter?
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It's interesting because Monkin is a guy that he's obsessed with, you know, creating explosive plays, so. And Shador will take chances. Not afraid to throw the ball down the field. So this team really needs a number one wide receiver. I'd feel a lot better about if they go get a number one in the draft with Harrison. Gerald Fannin with the run game with Judkins. Yeah. But for the Browns, you know, you shouldn't reach on a quarterback in this draft just to reach on a quarterback. Are you gonna go get a veteran in camp to pair with Shador? Maybe. I don't know what they think of Dylan Gabriel.
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No.
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I think I like Todd Monkin as an offensive mind a lot.
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Like you said, get a receiver and get the tackle, both in that first.
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Round, they have a receiver. His name's Cedric Tillman. Don't you forget it.
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Another one, another one to be like the second fiddle. But Bond, you look, look at Todd Monkey. You even go back to his days at uga. And this speaks to Harold Fannin.
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Yes.
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You know, he coached Brock Bowers, he had Andrews and Isaiah. Likely you see what he did with Stetson Bennett. I'm not going to use what Todd Monkin did with Lamar because Lamar is Lamar. But when you see what he did with Stetson Bennett and Koch got him drafted, that's more so the comparison you should try to make there. But Todd Monkin, MVP season with Lamar, another close to mvp. So like for Shador and possibly desean Watson, I feel like there's a chance he could get a shot if things don't go.
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But they almost thought about it.
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Yeah, I know, you're right.
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You're right.
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Hey, at the end of the day, you know you got a good play caller.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I think you're right. You know, if you're a dynasty manager that has Harold Finn and if you have you Know Quinson Judkins, I think you're happy about this hire. You know, do I think he's as good as Kevin Stefanski? No. I mean, and I think that's part of the problem NFL wise is talk about this is like why, why was this job not interesting? Like they got rid of Kevin Savansky two time head coach of the year. Not a lot of people know that, but he's actually won that award two times. And so they got rid of that guy who, you know, I thought did a lot with not a lot to work with. And so I think it was because of some ownership. And the other thing is you're still dealing with the DeSean Watson contract and all that hangover. Like this is unfair to Todd Monkin, who I agree with you is a good play caller but almost feels like he's a placeholder coach. That like they're just like, we're gonna give him two years, we're gonna give him two years. We gotta get out of Deshaun on and then we can like things don't work out.
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Yeah.
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Then like no one's going to be upset if we fire right. Todd Monket. I mean like if we make some big splash and bring in, bring in some, you know, big name college coach or something like that, then they're gonna get mad. But like Todd Monk and it's a score. Like all right.
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Kind of reminds me when like the Panthers hired Frank Reich, it's like, is he really gonna be there in four years? It doesn't really feel that this is the long term, but who knows? Maybe we'll see.
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Yeah. So I just. Anyway, so. But the Watson thing is fascinating. That's a, that's a great call. I wonder if they, they think he can potentially fix, fix him. But absent Stefanski staying, I think you know, Munkitt, for our purposes Monkin should be able to get something out of, you know, the players that we care about. It just depends on sort of who the care quarterback is. To me, the most shocking head coaching higher and not because he can't coach but just because of how it all went down is Joe Brady. So ownership of the Bills complains about coaching. They've. They fire Sean McDermott where on a team where the defense has played pretty well, it hasn't been able to get over the hump, but.
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Right. Secondary is very good.
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Secondary is very good. Sean McDermott's made, you know, had double digit win seasons pretty much every year that he's been there. But the complaint was the coaching that they felt like the roster was there. I don't know that I agree with that. But the ownership felt like the roster was there and the coaching couldn't get there. So they fire Sean McDermott to keep the same coach. Now this is good news for us because Josh Allen is Josh Allen. James Cook is James Cook. We expect those two guys to continue to be fantasy superstars, but this one was a head scratcher.
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It's a major screams day. Lawrence. I just wanted a new voice. That's like, because you went and you got Jim Leonard to be your dc, which is a great hire. Now I think people are starting to underrate Sean McDermott as a defensive mind. It's not his fault their front didn't have a lot of talent and gave up a lot of rushing yards. But good secondary, well coached. But they wanted a new voice. But they also, clearly, with the quarterback's influence, did not want to break the mold of what they currently have on offense.
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D
Right. I mean, be it as it may, you got a good thing going on offense with Josh Allen. It's just they can't get. Get to the Super Bowl. But it's like you said, like just the new voice. I feel very similar about this than with John Harboro on the Raider in the Ravens. In fact, Sean McDermott, since he was hired as the Bill said coach, he been better than John Harbaugh overall record and playoff wise. So, you know, that's kind of more of a head scratcher to me because it seemed like there was more outrage when John Harbaugh lost a job. But I would say the same thing for Sean McDermott. Like there, at least with Sean McDermott, you're in the mix and that's not something the Bills usually were before he arrived.
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Josh Allen said at his press conference, he's like, if I don't fumble the fourth time, you know what I mean? Like, we're probably playing in the super bowl and Sean McDermott still has a job.
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Yeah, I think that's just his natural, by the way.
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And if the Brandon Cooks, I mean like the Brandon Cooks pass interference, non cloud call or whatever, you know, from interception, like if that call goes the other way, which a lot of people think it should have and easily could have, when you see like the Devonte Adams play against Chicago, the whole thing, like, if that play goes the other way, Sean McDermott probably sell us a job. Like, it's crazy that they just.
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D
Yeah, it works. It's just like John Harbaugh if, if they make the kick. But the owner said he was like, next week. So as long as they were winning, he was gonna have his job.
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I think that it's just. There's just a natural amount of pressure where if you've had Josh Allen, you've been there for eight years, you make the super bowl, like, you only get so many cracks out of it. And even if it wasn't necessarily his fault this time around, Well, I just want to say really tough, tough week for feet, because Josh Allen apparently is playing with a broken foot and had that game that he did against the Jags where he basically played a perfect game of quarterback with a broken foot. So apparently, feet don't matter a great deal. But Josh Allen, hopefully, as we see him here on crutches having surgery, looks like he'll be fine for the start of the season. But, yeah, just further proof that this guy is Wolverine and he'll play through anything.
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It is really remarkable. And he was at the press conference and confirmed that he did have foot surgery, which is in shocking semen on crutches here, but unbelievable, the fact of how he played through it. Some notable coordinator hires specifically on the offensive side of the ball here. Really good news for Cam Ward. Brian Dabel will be running Robert Sala's Titans offense. Matthew, I think that we've seen Dable's work with multiple young quarterbacks over the years, and obviously we know how much the Giants liked him before that draft. So not shocking to see Dabel take this job.
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B
No. And I think look like if you again, your dynasty manager with Cam Ward, I think you're happy about this hire because we've not only seen Dabel have success with young, inconsistent quarterbacks. Daniel Jones developing Jackson Dart, but the types of quarterbacks he's developed. Josh Allen, I mean, duh, right? But people forget how raw Josh Allen was coming out of Wyoming. Right. You know, big, physical guy that could run a ton, but, like, crazy inaccurate.
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Right.
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And sort of all over the place. And so, right, Josh Allen to Daniel Jones to Jackson Dart. And now you've got Cam Ward, who has, you know, some similar traits. Right. Somebody who is mobile, that can get. That can move outside the pocket. There's obviously a lot of skill there with Cam Ward. So I think. Think, you know, two former New York coaches reuniting.
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Reuniting in Tennessee.
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Y. Yeah, I'm each in Tennessee.
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Yeah. I think Connor just comes like, they need to get water receiver because if he doesn't have anyone who can separate, like, it wasn't a good year for Cam Ward. Overall. He showed flashes. Seems to you know, he has these plays of madness where he holds on to the ball too long. The stats are bad and everything, but it's just so hard to evaluate him with that coaching situation, with the lack of a receiver. Now that you have dull in there. O line gets a year older with some young talent there. Salah professional head coach, day ball, professional offensive coordinator. Get him a receiver and then you can properly evaluate it.
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I completely agree. I think things will go really well for Tennessee depending on the personnel moves they can make. And they have all the money in the world. I think they have the most cap space in the NFL. Do you go make a play for Alec Pierce or somebody along that line? My manners might be around here this week.
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Yeah.
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Excited for that.
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Very excited.
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We know a lot about Brian Dabel's work on the offensive side of the ball. We don't know a lot about the Eagles new offensive coordinator as a coach. Lawrence. We know Sean Manion as a player. Yeah.
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D
And that's. And I think that's kind of a key thing here. Getting someone in the room with Jalen Hurts who's actually played the position, you know, hit the Eagles offensive coordinator job, always the big talk. It's like, do people want to go here? Because if it doesn't go right, you're going to get blamed or the offense could be too good and then you'll go get a head coaching job. Kellen Moore, what's my man's name on the Colts now?
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B
Shane Steichen.
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D
Shane Steichen. So it's either way. So with Shawn Manion and Jalen Hurts, I don't think anybody's used to this type of turnover. Like Jalen Hurts had a new offensive coordinator every year going back to his days in college. So it's just going to be a wait and see. It's similar to Mike LaFleur, like didn't call the plays. Now he's in this new situation. So it's just a guy getting a chance and he's gonna have a lot of tools to work with.
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B
It just seems like not a lot. Weirdly, not a lot of people wanted this job. Now, I think to your point, right, it's a, it's a job that gets, that comes with intense scrutiny. It's a job that already has a run game coordinator they really like. So it's basically you're coming in to basically do passing, right. Because now you've got somebody doing some of the running there. And, and you know, in terms of, you know, the rumors about Jalen Hurts are that like, he enjoys. Prefers. Prefers a limited playbook that it's not an expansive playbook, that they just. They run versions of like, you know, the same 10 plays but just different things. And so how much is he going to get to do? Or is it just sort of like, hey, this is what Jalen likes. This is what Jalen does. Oh, by the way, it works for the most part. I know there's been some, some inconsistencies there, but ultimately, like, you know, the Eagles have, you know, been one of the best teams in the NFL over the last four or five years. And so, you know, maybe it wasn't as attractive a job as you might think on the surface.
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C
Yeah, I don't know the best way to frame it in terms of like a curve or a vendor or whatever, but it's like, it's the most talent we've ever had and the least appeal of taking the position as OC relative to that talent because, like, yeah, Jalen hurts. He has his flaw clause. He's clearly a good quarterback and this is clearly a super talented offense. And yeah, you would think that there would be more prestigious names vying for this, but, you know, we'll see how Sean Manion does.
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A
Yeah, it's always where the bar is set, right, guys? Like, look at the bill shop right now. Whether you love it or hate it, the Bills bar is, you better make the Super Bowl.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And if you don't, it's a failed season because they have Josh Allen.
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B
Right.
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A
Josh Allen.
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B
Same with the Ravens.
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A
It's. It's become that way with the Ravens. That's exactly right. The Steelers eventually got to a point where it doesn't matter how many times you make the playoffs, you got to start winning playoff games. The Eagles offensive coordinator job is we need to be great and we're expecting to get back to the Super Bowl. There is a Manion, though. There's a little bit of a mystery box feel. There's a world where this ends up being great. We just haven't been able to see it.
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D
Yeah, I think that last play. Oh, we got a comment here. Sean Manion looks like he holds the record for longest keg stand at his whole frat.
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A
Maybe he does.
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D
He's a young guy. He was just in the league a couple years ago, so.
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B
All right, Stuntman Chuck. There we go. Postseason regulars. We appreciate that.
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A
Good to see Stuntman Chuck back in the comments. We got Valiant Vincent out there. Neck Race Nation, a favorite of Lawrence's.
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D
Yeah, the net Brace Nation out there.
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A
All right, let's get into the quarterback free agents here guys. Not a star studded list here this year. We'll start with your man Daniel Jones.
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C
Yeah. How dare you say not star studded. Dan Jones had the greatest offense in.
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A
All time corrected here year and points per game last year. QB13 before that injury feels like the best option for both parties is he just goes back to the Colts.
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C
I think so. I think we forget because of how poorly the season ended for Indianapolis but this was a just statistically at least an all time efficient offense for the first nine weeks or so of the season before it came crashing down. Now a lot of that was perhaps natural regression. Defense has got harder. He was also playing for a couple of weeks with a broken leg. Yeah and then he does his Achilles against Jacksonville. But yeah I think obviously you'd expect a reduced version of Jones because he is very dependent on his mobility but his ability to operate the stichen offense, the fact that still have really good O line still going to have really good weapons. We'll see where Alec Pierce goes But regardless it does make sense that he would be back in indy and look QB13 with some injuries baked in there this year you probably suspect that he goes as like a mid second round quarterback.
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D
He didn't do a lot of running this year. He didn't and also it was like his best year.
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C
Yeah. And I mean he got some tush pushes at the goal line but not a ton because they ended up giving that work to JT and Tyler Warren was kind of the push guy. But yeah there's still upside for Jones and he would be a guy who. I think that if you're drafting in the middle later into the second round if he's going to come back for week one then there would be some appeal there.
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A
Another name if he chooses to play Aaron Rodgers. Matthew maybe reunited but probably not with Mike McCarthy.
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B
Well I feel like if he does. Well here's the thing. I feel like if he plays going back to Pittsburgh makes the most sense. If he doesn't retire like I have a different opinion really.
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A
I feel like Minnesota makes the most sense.
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C
Yeah, I like them but trying to.
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D
Get far imagine I think that's where.
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A
He wanted to be last year.
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B
It is but they didn't want him there.
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A
No they did not. But now it looks a lot different.
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B
Now probably it probably does. Although you know there are. Here's my question like and we'll get back into it. Right. But there's. There's a lot of quarterbacks that are not quote Unquote, free agents. But we expect or we think there's at least the potential of teams to move on from that. So if you're Kevin o' Connell and they just, they just fired the general manager, right. So I think Kevin o' Connor is going to have a. Kfc is going to have a lot more influence over this roster and the draft moving forward. So like, are the Vikings better off with a one year rental in Aaron Rodgers or are they better off with trying to fix Kyler Murray? They're better off with a reunion with Kirk Cousins because the Falcons might be.
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A
Moving on trader Mac Jones.
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B
Yeah, Tua.
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D
If you get a guy like Mac Jones, then you're going to play ball. If you bring in Aaron Rodgers, it's like you kind of, you're going to keep JJ McCarthy and you still kind of feel like that could work.
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A
That's right.
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D
If you get the old veteran.
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B
I disagree. I think that if you bring in Aaron Rodgers, you were basically bailing on JJ McCarthy like you're a fine line to walk. I mean, it's because here's the thing, he sat out year one. You moved on from Sam Darnold in year two because you were like, nine is our guy, right? Sam Darnold's now at the super bowl doesn't look good after the struggles of J.J. mcCarthy. And then a year after that, after you stick by him, right, and he struggles, he has all these struggles, then you go get Aaron Rodgers, who they could have had last year that he wanted, Aaron wanted to go to Minnesota and they were like, no, no, no, we're in on J.J. mcCarthy. Yeah, like I, I feel like, I feel like if anyone is not starting for the Vikings next year, that, that, if anyone that not named J.J. mcCarthy, it's them moving on from, from 9.
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C
The thing is though, is you can't go into the same.
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B
Going back to the, going back to the Colts thing for. Sorry, Jake. Going back to the Colts thing for the same thing. Like if they bring back Daniel Jones, then you're just bailing on Anthony Richardson, which is.
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A
Which I think they've done.
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B
I think they've done.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But Vikings I don't think feel that way with McCarthy yet, which is dangerously.
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D
Approaching, but we'll find out in a couple, in a month or so.
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B
But the other thing about Aaron Rodgers though is that like, I don't, you know, Mike McCarthy said all that nice, right. Things at the press conference, but I don't think it ended that great with McCarthy and, and Rogers in Green Bay. And it's like, this is, this is me like mixing up my dates. But wasn't Hackett his offensive coordinator under McCarthy?
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A
He was there.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Right.
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C
So I mean, we conjured that again.
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B
No, but like, I mean Aaron Rodgers whole thing was just like, let me do whatever I want. Anyway, I. So yeah.
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A
We got a comment here from Ved. Which team would best suit for Danny Dimes outside of the Colts? Is it the Vikings?
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C
Yes, it is.
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D
Yeah, but they, they're like a year too late, just like with San Darno. But yeah, I would say it would be the Vikings, but like we just talked about, I don't think the Colts let that go. Like, they had a great first half of the season, played hurt a couple of those games and then everything fell apart once they got to shuffling quarterbacks. So I can't see him leaving the Colts.
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A
And the most interesting free agent quarterback guys, at least from an upside perspective, Lawrence has to be Malik Willis because when we've seen Malik Willis play recently, his development has come such a long way. And if you're signing Malik Willis, you're signing him to be your starting quarterback for sure.
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D
And if you look at this free agent crop, he's the guy that you're looking at like, yeah, he's. He, like, he's not a one year guy. You know, he's gonna play a couple years and we're gonna see if he could be that guy we thought he was coming out of college and what a, what a change of scenery makes for some guys. He got, he got with a good team, got some good coaching. What I worry about though is fellas, is if he goes to a team like a Miami who's. They're not a playoff, like what happens when he goes to a team that's not used to winning.
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C
Yeah, there's a lot of push and pull here because one with Malik Willis, he looked fantastic when he was out there. He also did it against a Bears defense that gave up 42 points to the Niners. And then Brock Purdy after that scored nine points in eight quarters against the Seahawks defense, he did it against a Ravens pass defense that Aaron Rodgers absolutely torched without DK Metcalf in week 18. And then he played for a little bit against the Giants. But the thing is, Connor, is that even within that and within the suspect defense, it felt like he was making like next level throws.
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A
And his ability out of structure, he's learned to play in structure when he needs to, but his ability outside of structure as a runner or a scrambler that throws the ball down the field. Like that's why Malik Willis was once upon time highly thought of as a prospect.
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B
Yes he was.
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A
It didn't go the way you know obviously he hoped for but it's really turned. How about this from McGenuin Willis to Arizona.
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D
Hey, you see now that's a spot that I would say like as opposed to my Miami type of team. You get to Arizona who like you said earlier Matthew they were in a lot of these games. They were scoring a lot of points. Now you get a guy similar skill set keep the receivers best tight end in the game. That's a situation you would like where.
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B
Where Mike calls his brother and say like listen here's a kid that you know we got a guy. But like absolutely. I mean that's. But the other question is I think to your point there Lawrence like right. If he goes to a good offensive system, great. And like I feel like with Malik Willis fantasy wise if he's a starter next year he's going to be asleep. Connor, I know you already called it top 12 fantasy quarterback assuming Malik Willis is a starter next year. I agree with it as long as he's the starter. But I could feel professionally wise, you know, NFL wise he could be awesome. He could you know have kind of a resurgence. He can also be Justin Fields or.
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A
It'S or the health right now this is a guy that in very short sample sizes he's not the biggest guy in the world and he's a great runner. You worry about him saying I'd love.
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C
Him on my Colts bit of a more of an upside swing as opposed like Daniel Jones like highish floor depending on the injury, pretty low ceiling. We know what Daniel Jones run that.
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D
Offense exactly like how Shane Steichen wanted though. He like he takes with the what the defense gives him and that's why he did they didn't have to run as much. So I think a guy like Malik Willis he's going to be Malik Willis would be more of a playmaker and I think Shane Steichen and wants that just like here you take that easy. Which is what Richardson had trouble doing.
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C
That's fair.
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A
We briefly mentioned some of these guys but not free agents but highly likely trade cut candidates include Kyler Murray Tua Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins and then Justin Fields. Fields. Is there anyone out here Jay as a reclamation project that is at least somewhat intriguing where it's like they've been totally written off. They're not being even drafted in really two quarterback leagues. But hey he ended up being A viable second quarterback.
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C
I think the only one of these five guys that is compelling is still Kyler Murray, where Kyler is the number one overall pick. He was the MVP favorite halfway into 2021. He has shown flashes now. It's been pretty bad for a while. The issue with Kyler too is that the deep ball just went away. The deep ball was such a big part of his game and he was so efficient with it early on in his career and then that has just fallen off. But I think there is enough there that he is, he's interesting in a way that I just don't think Tour is a Gino. Kirk Cousins, we know what they are. Justin Fields, I think it's just failed at this point. So Kyler, I don't think it's going to work out, but there is at least some clay there to be molded.
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B
Yeah, I, I, I would agree with that take, especially because by the way, we've seen flashes of it. I mean, you know, there was, there was a time where, you know, Kyler was in the running for the mvp like a star. Right. He looked like a superstar. And so the other thing is he'll now be like two, two years removed from the ACL injury. And so I think having him maybe have more confidence in his ability to run and getting to a coach that might use that, that dual threat ability a little bit more. Yeah, it just feels like there needs to be a, a change of scenery for Kyler Murray still. Maybe I'm crazy, but I still think there's a chance that Tua could be.
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D
Again, I was gonna say Matthew, of this list, we're looking at Kyler Tua, Geno, Kirk Cousins and Justin Fields. I say definitely Kyler Murray starting week one. Probably Tua for some team.
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B
I just, I mean, this is a guy that, you know, you know, was a superstar at Alabama. He's happy flashes. He's led his team to the playoffs. Like Miami wasn't a great situation. He needs to be in the right situation. And do I think he'll ever be a fantasy superstar? I don't. But in a world in which people were writing off Bryce Young and then he led his team to the playoffs even though they backed in. But whatever. I mean, Bryce Young made significant strides here. Daniel Jones, people had written off Daniel Jones and obviously he had a comeback year. You can't tell me that Tuatanga Bialoa is just done. Like he needs the right coach, the right, right system, the right people around him. I'm not saying it's, but I'm, I'm not ready to say like there's just no way that two is ever a starting caliber quarterback.
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C
20 quarterback in the league. I think like top 10 is probably gone that world. But he could be a league average starter.
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B
Yeah, that's what I, that's what I think. Especially after Matthew Stafford retires. There's going to be another chair open when Dak Prescott goes from the Cowboys to the, there you go, you know, to the Rams. And then, yeah, right. And then, you know, we'll see who's going to be the quarterback of the, of the Cowboys. Cowboys.
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A
NBC Sports now is live from San Francisco all week with special guests. Tune in live from 9am to 7pm Eastern time each day, Monday to Friday for the Dan Patrick Show. PFT Live. Chris Sims unbutton the Dan Levitard Show.
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B
What is going on with Sims's face in this picture?
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A
He looks surprised.
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B
He looks, he looks surprised. He looks angry. He's just like, whoa, what are you accusing me?
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A
While you look like you have just seen the love of your life across the room.
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B
I'm very happy.
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A
Yes.
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C
Wow.
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B
Florio's just like Florio looks like, hey, quick Mike, look over here. I'll take your picture.
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A
That's right.
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B
And Dan Patrick looks like, hey, this is a professional head shot.
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A
NBCSports.com now we're going through the running backs when we return. It's legendary February at NBC and streaming on Peacock in just four days. Join the celebration as we kick off the Winter Olympics in Italy with the opening ceremony. And we are back live from radio row for Super Bowl 60. Let's continue the free agency chatter, of course, with the running backs here, guys. And the top of the list, Reece hall, still not even 25 years old, potentially franchise tag this offseason.
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C
What do you think happens with him?
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A
I would think the favorite would be that they transition tag him.
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C
Okay, so it'll be a New York.
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A
Jet, would be a one year, $12 million deal back with the Jets.
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B
Yes.
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A
I mean because wouldn't you just trade him at the deadline if that wasn't the plan?
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B
Yeah, well, yes, but a well run team would have done that.
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A
We can never assume it.
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B
No.
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A
So let's say the jets don't tag them.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Where do we want them to go?
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B
Do they have anyone on their roster that you think is potential?
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A
That is a totally fine number three kick returner that they would use the.
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B
Transition or franchise tag on. Is there, that's what I'm saying. Is there another Elijah?
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A
Oh, sorry, Elijah Verito Tucker, their star but often injured.
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C
Who's going to be a quarterback?
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A
You tell me. Could have been one of the guys we just talked about. Like Kyler Murray Tua.
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D
It's going to be Kirk Cousins.
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A
If there's any place tuition play, it's MetLife. Who do you want them in the northeast.
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C
Who do you want him to draft? Given Mendoz is not going to be on.
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A
I would be careful how early you take Ty Simpson. There's things I like about Ty Simpson.
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C
Didn't go end great for Ty.
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A
It did not end great.
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C
Your man.
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A
I would almost rather wait and see how late. Like get Garrett Nussmeier. You can't manufacture a quarterback class. Yeah, there's not one there at two and there's not one there at two. I think 16 would even be of reach.
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C
Yep, it's the Jets.
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A
I hate to say it, but with where there are right now, it just. It feels like they're on simulation mode after this year. Like what it. I guess we'll see the plan.
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D
But what is.
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B
What is the optimistic plan Brick has them doing, right? Yeah, that's right.
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A
He knows a thing or two about that.
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D
They'll get Kirk Cousins. Talking about Breeze hall, man. Can we give him a quick round of applause?
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B
I have a theory that I'd like to float the two of you.
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C
Yeah.
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B
No, no, no, no, no.
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A
Age 24. Retiree.
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B
Yeah. I don't think Connor Rodgers wants the jets to have a good quarterback. I feel like jets ever had successful. The jets were ever successful, he'd be out of a job. Like I feel like he wants it. The turmoil. The turmoil is what keeps keeps Badlands the second best jets podcast out there employed.
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A
You do a post game show for a Tim Boyle start and come back to me.
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C
Yeah. No. We need a twist. We need a twist ending for Connor Road. He's been doing the same material for the two decades now. Let's have a good time.
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D
These very jets that we're talking about. Breeze hall ran for over a thousand yards on this jets team in 16 games on these Jets. That's. That's like hall of Fame type stuff.
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C
He looked more explosive. Explosive to me. Connor as well. Certainly compared to the previous two years.
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A
He's finally healthy now. He's got his legs under him. It would be a bad time to just give up on Reese Hall. That's what I wouldn't understand. But there'll be a ton of suitors if they ultimately do.
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B
Could they trade them? Could they transit, you know, transition tag or you wouldn't get anything.
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A
The transition tag would open it up that you could only match. You'd have to franchise tag.
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B
If you franchise, who would, who would.
- [42:55]
A
Trade that level of assets for running back? They're just in a place where it's.
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B
It feels like it's not the most well run organization.
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A
Things are.
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B
The more that I peel back the layers, I don't know.
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A
All of a sudden I'm questioning the plan.
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B
Yeah. Suddenly, suddenly all the confidence I had in the jets organization is starting to wither away.
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D
Smith will be handing the ball.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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D
To Breeze hall on this return. Yeah.
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A
Everyone's living in nostalgia right now.
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B
Yeah. Geno Smith and Jeremiah Rogers come back, all is forgiven. Aaron Rodgers.
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A
All right. Kenneth Walker. Good time to be a free agent. He is 25 years old, but man, he's playing his best football right now. Lawrence. And this could be a guy that is cashing in at the right time. Yeah.
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D
His two main, biggest things really ever since he's come into the league was the injuries. Then it was the year after he came or maybe two years after Zach Charbonnet came into the fold. And now we've seen him these past few games without Chardonnay. We've seen that they heavily relied on him. We saw Sam Darnold throw for over 345 yards in that NFC championship game. But that space was opened up by those runs. Kenneth Walker making people miss, showing what he could do. So if he does get out there on another team and he gets the opportunity to get a guaranteed 17 to 22 touches per game, he's. He does. He's never going to get that. Was that Charbonnet? That'll change his fantasy landscape.
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A
Sure.
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B
He's got 24 career games where he's had at least 18 touches. He's averaging 108 yards from scrimmage in those games. I like the overall in his rushing attempts prop, by the way, in the Super Bowl. But I think the injury to Zach Charbonnet makes this more interesting because I think the idea was that they were probably going to move on from Ken Walker in the off season. He'd be a free agent. But again, given that Zach Charbonnet tore his ACL and tore it late in.
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A
The season, you might have to bring him back.
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B
I think you might have to bring him back. Especially by the way, if the Seahawks win the super bowl and Ken Walker is a big part of that. Feels weird to, you know, to move on from a guy, especially for a franchise that looks like it's Going to have an ownership change here in the next, you know, so I don't know, it just feels like they're not going to want to rock the boat, especially if they win this. Win this. Given that the depth and, you know, you're losing. Clint Kubiak. I kind of, I kind of feel like the Seahawks figure out a way to bring Ken Walker back.
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A
Back for all the shortcomings of the quarterback free agency class. Jay the running back class, assuming these guys aren't tagged, is pretty solid. Travis Etienne is next up on our board under Liam Cohen, another guy that had a really, really strong year. A little older than Bree hall and Kenneth Walker, but still in his prime.
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C
Yeah, one of the quieter 1100 rushing yards, 13 touchdown seasons. You'll see. He had such a strange season coming in. It was like, is everyone going to be the starter? Like, there were reports about Tank Bigsby and then he gets traded and then Bash Altoon kept on waiting for him to emerge. But look, he's got the relationship and the rapport established with Trevor Lawrence going back to Clemson. Liam Cohen, one of the best run game designers in the league, and I think we kind of perhaps forget a little bit about it because they went out in the first round. This is one of the best offenses in the league over the second half. So I think that they all just want to run it back. And if they do, then Travis Etienne, I think he projects to largely replicate what he did this year. And the other good thing with ETN is that he's able to stay healthy, which has been problem in his career.
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A
Without a doubt.
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B
I think the Jaguars move on from etn. I think Bay Shaltin is going to be on a lot of sleeper lists next year. If you look at the advanced rushing metrics, you know, and the Jaguars are one of the more advanced teams in terms of looking at analytics, looking at underlying data. You know, their co owner Tony Khan owns True Media, which is a, you know, big data analytics company. Travis C10 was like below below average in like so many underlying metrics. And I just, I feel like they try to get out of it.
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C
They kept on using him though.
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B
I understand.
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C
I.
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B
No, I understand. Like he was quote, good. I'm just saying as they sit here, 27 years old, had some injury history. I'm just saying. And they have a young running back that they like. I don't think they pay. I think somebody's going to be willing to pay Travis Etienne more than the Jaguars. I think he's on a different team next year.
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A
Another Guy coming off a monster season, Lawrence Javante Williams. I mean this is one where feels like for both parties it's a return would be best to Dallas. Javante really got his legs back under him in that Cowboys.
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D
And this is, this is a guy, myself included, I think he'd have been in a committee at best. He goes on to have his best year with the Cowboys. 1200 rush yards, 11 touchdowns, running back, 11 in fantasy points per game. So. So he was a guy you started every week once you figured out like, hey, we gotta start him. We didn't get the, we, we didn't get the emergence from the rookie. Jaden Blue. Javante Williams took it by the bullhorns. And I think I agree with you, Conner. You gotta bring him back. He was a vital part of the offense. Offense that we thought was just gonna throw the ball every play. But they really were reliant on Javonte Wilson.
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B
Yeah, in theory that makes sense. But with the Cowboys you just, I mean they traded Micah Parsons like you just, you never know. I mean again, they got a thousand yards out of Rico Dowdle the year before and they let him go.
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A
We all thought also a free agent, right?
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B
Also a free agent. Rico Dowdle. He's definitely going to move on. He wasn't happy about the fact that after he has a couple of 200 yard games, they still let Chuba Hubbard back into the fold.
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C
He had chubbler envy.
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B
He did have chubbler envy.
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A
Chubby envy.
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C
Yeah.
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B
No, it's not good. And there's a chance we'll be talking to Rico Dowdle. There's a chance. Rico Dodo.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Do you have chubby envy? Yes, Jay, you can ask him that. But Rico Daddle quietly back to back years with over a thousand yards, you know, like, you know, had different. Two different games of 200 more yard scrimmage yards. Like here's the list. You know, Jonathan Taylor, Jameer Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, Rico dowdle, the only four running backs that had multiple games of 200 more yards from scrimmage. So like in the right opportunity, Dowdle's pretty interesting. He just doesn't seem to have the, the national cachet of some other running backs.
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A
Plenty of talent in this class. Kenneth Gainwell, Rashad White, J.K. dobbins, Tyler Algier, Isaiah Pacheco, all also in this running back free agency class. And still to come, we're sticking with the running backs in last call. Find out who we're betting to lose Super Bowl.
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B
Interesting. As is Dobbins, who was healthy when he was. It was good when he was having healthy. That's just.
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A
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B
Yours.
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C
It's yours.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Sour go. And it's yours.
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A
And it can be yours if you want to bet on the Super Bowl. Rushing yards leader Jay Kenneth Walker is the favorite at minus 160, so he's the runaway favorite. Ramandre Stevenson is the closest at +245. What do you think of this board?
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C
You'll take Travian Henderson at 21. I understand that he has been sidelined a little bit relative to Ramondre, but the Patriots have been leading in all these games. Think Trayvon is the type of guy you like to bet on as a long shot because he's so high variance with the ability to break a 70 yarder?
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B
Yeah, that would be my choice as well. I just think you're right. He's the guy that has the best chance to break off a couple of long runs. Having said that, if we're not going to do it, then ken Walker at minus 100 is. That's he's the favorite for a reason, right? I mean we just talked about this. He's in every game in which he's gotten at least 18 carries. He averages over 100 yards from scrimmage. I think they're going to want to be conservative. I think they're going to want to run the ball. Ken Walker also has the ability to sort of break one. So as opposed to Trayvon and Ramondre who are going to split carries along with Drake May, George Ken Walker should get the majority of the work for the Seahawks.
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D
Give me Drake May.
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A
Man, I was thinking the same thing.
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D
Plus 565 rushing yards in a game in the AFC championship where he faced a lot of pressure. Going to be running, going to be scrambling two good run defenses. So give me Drake May over all the running backs.
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A
I agree it feels like New England's to going best play at times can be the Drake May scramble. And if you believe in the fact that they are expected to be trailing in this game, he'll have to do plenty. I like the value, but I agree with you Matthew. There's a reason Kenneth walker is a minus 160 favorite.
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B
Yeah, I mean exactly.
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C
Yeah, I think.
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B
Sorry with misread my notes. It's minus 160, not minus you might.
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A
Have got it usually.
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B
Well, I'm. I'm buddies. I'm buddies with Mr. K. VIP Crown Price. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Right.
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C
Yeah. I think the other thing with May is that to your point, like, he will likely be running for his life a little bit as whoever tears around Will Campbell on the left side, Drake May is going to be trying to run away from them.
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B
That's the point. Right. Is that we expect the Seahawks to be able to bring pressure. We expect Drake May to have to be dropping back quite a bit. And so given the struggles the Patriots offensive line during the pre. During the playoffs, Drake May could easily, you know, get you to, you know, 80, something like that, or, you know, have a lot of rushing yards and. And it's here where they shut down Ken Walker. So there you go. We are. That's. That's the whole show. Listen, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. We're live on Radio Row all week long. Thank you to the regulars for Lawrence, Connor and Jay. I'm Matthew. We will see you tomorrow. Peace out.