← Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry
Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry
QB Tiers: Examining Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, and Jordan Love + Superflex Draft Strategy
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August 28: Matthew (@MatthewBerryTMR), Jay (@croucherJD), and Lawrence (@LordDontLose) welcome Trysta Krick (@Trysta_Krick) to the Happy Hour, as the group analyzes how Matthew is stacking his QB tiers for 2025. They debate Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Jordan Love and highlight why Michael Penix and Bryce Young are solid late-round fliers in Tier 5. The group also analyzes draft strategies for those in Superflex leagues and tie up the show with their favorite bets to win the NFC East.
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And I guess that would leave number 12 and absolutely dead last. That would be Cotter. Let me make sure that I got that list right.
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D
Let me grab that list.
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Oh, yeah, here it is right here underneath. This is unbelievable, Emmy. It's always your own people.
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C
That's my other place of work that I was done at. Like, that's literally when I'm not here. I am in that exact office with that exact backdrop. I will tell you the message I gave to Tod when I ordered. I said, listen, hey, Todd, Matthew Berry from NBC Sports. I don't care what you do, but you have to introduce yourself as Emmy award winning Todd Zeal. And Connor has to pick last.
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E
That's all I care.
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C
I don't care. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. He's amazing. There you go. Thank you, Todd.
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E
That was awesome.
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B
Fantasy Football Happy hour with Matthew Berry.
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C
Oh, Is there any doubt why he is Emmy award winning Todd Zeal? He drinks for free. He crushed Connor's soul like he did at the Emmy Awards. Like he did yesterday. Surprisingly, Connor couldn't show his face today. Matthew Berry. Lawrence Jackson Lord. Don't lose Jay Croucher. And look who's here. Trista Crick. I'm sure you've heard her on wfan. You saw her on Barstool. You've seen her on it is what it is with Cam and Mace.
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A
You're a big Cam and Mace fan, right?
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C
I'm huge. Massive. I'm on every show, I'm transcripting. I'm in the Reddit threads. What I will tell you, though, is we could not be more thrilled that we managed to steal her away. Trista now a big part of what we're doing here in terms of fantasy and betting at NBC Sports. So, Trista, welcome. Officially.
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D
Yeah.
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C
I will just tell you guys this because we met in person just a little while ago, but we have followed each other on Social for a number of years. Trista is a very, very fun social follow. She's like Lawrence, who's also a great social foddle F and completely unlike Jay, who does nothing but post videos of his kids or Nas. Read propaganda.
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E
Yes. Very both wholesome, family kind of activities for me. Propaganda and children.
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C
Yes.
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A
If you want family friendly content. Don't come to my page, though. I was asked.
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D
Nothing wholesome there, huh?
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A
Yeah, nothing wholesome. I was asking Steve. I said, what is Matthew gonna give me a hard time about? Cause it's gotta be the chain. Right?
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C
Right? Yeah, sure, sure.
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And I was one. I just took it out of your wardrobe.
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C
Everyone always says, there goes Matthew. Too much.
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D
That's what that is.
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C
Exactly.
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Too much.
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C
Swag him off the chain. All right, so it is our quarterback positional preview show. We're going to go through our quarterback tiers. Trista. So I hand over the reigns and chains to you.
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A
Yeah. Let's start with tier one. We've got some sound of Jaden Daniels talking about. What we all feel about is excited that Terry McLaurin is back. That contract dispute has ended, but I.
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E
Was super excited for it for Terry, just how much work he put in over these years, and you know, he's deserving of it. So I'm happy that we're back out here and now we're moving forward. We're getting ready for week one.
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C
Yeah. Because what does it unlock for you.
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A
Like, when, you know, Terry is out.
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C
There on the field? I think it unlocks a lot.
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E
You know, we got Terry out there to help keep defensive coordinators up at night a little bit more. So it's good to have him back out there.
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A
Yeah. Tier one, your guy, Jaden Daniels, JD5. We've got Lamar Jackson, we've got Josh Allen, and we've rounded out the group with Jalen Hurts, who, spoiler alert, I think is in for a bigger year than some people expect for you guys. Matthew, how big of it is it of a priority that you must get one of these tier one guys?
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C
I wouldn't use the word must. What I would say though is that this year in leagues and we're talking about one quarterback leagues, right? We'll talk about superplex and two quarterback leagues in a little bit. But when it comes to one quarterback leagues, I want to be one of the first guys in my league to get a quarterback one of those first four guys or I want to be one of the last because I think once you get and we'll talk about burrow in a second, but I think once you get past those four guys who give you so many points with both their arms and their legs that there's a, there is a drop off. And so I want one of those four guys. You guys know I love Daniels. I think he could be the number one quarterback in fantasy this year. But I found myself with a lot of Jalen hurts this year because I don't think there's a lot of difference between those four guys. And for some reason Hertz is going like around and sometimes around and a half later than those other three. Lawrence.
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Yeah. And the thing about it is, so when you're talking about Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen, those are the guys who's going to get you double digit rushing touchdowns for Lamar and Jaden Daniels. They're not going to do that, but they're going to run for 800-901-000 rushing yards. So that's what sets them apart from the rest of the group. But when it comes to drafting these guys, yes, of course we want one of these guys in our fancy drafts. Right. But you're not going to force the issue at the end of the first round, the early second round. But if you're third and fourth and you're coming up on that clock, you feel really good about a Josh Allen and Lamar, Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts probably that next round. But if you don't get that then for me it would be time to wait.
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Yeah, I think these guys hurts is the clear value relative to adp where I think people are baking in too much the year that Saquon had last year and how big a part he was in the offense. Saquon's just not going to touch the ball close to 500 times again, regular season, postseason combined. Jalen hurts, he's going to throw the ball more this year because they just can't throw it any less than they did last year. Like we kind of forget that even though it was Saquon's show last year. 2022, four weeks to go on the season, Jalen Hurts is the MVP favorite. Halfway through 2023, Jalen Hurts is the MVP favorite. This guy can put up passing stat numbers and I think he'll do that more than he did last year. And the other thing too is that like some of these guys, like regression is coming. Like Josh Allen's going to throw more picks this year. He's not only going to throw six picks. Lamar Jackson's very likely not going to throw 41 passing touchdowns. That's just not in his arsenal. Lamar doesn't really run it in the red zone anymore because they got King Henry. Jalen Hurd's very stable production.
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C
Yeah, you know, the weird thing about Lamar Jackson is that like at the end of the year, he's going to be one of the top three fantasy. Barring injury, he's going to be a top three fantasy quarterback. But I just, I don't have a ton of Lamar. I have some, but I don't have a ton of Lamar because I feel like there's weirdly less consistency. Like he'll have 40 point games and then he'll have like a 12 point game because Henry gets a couple of rushing touchdowns. Kyle Hamilton runs back a pick six or whatever. And you know, they just don't need to blow out teams.
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Like it's the same thing that Jalen Hurts kind of suffered from to these two teams, Eagles and Ravens, they get ahead all the time. But for Jalen Hurts, he's got the tush push near the end zone, whereas to Lamar, he doesn't have that. So that's where Those less than 20 point games will come. And then it's just, that's how it goes. You got to live with it.
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Remember two years ago, Lamar wins MVP 2023, and kind of has a blah fantasy season because they're just winning games the whole time they were at the throw in the fourth quarter. The other thing with Lamar too is like he's won two MVPs. He doesn't have anything to prove in the regular season.
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C
His, his assessment will probably should have won a third.
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D
Yes, but we want him to prove it again in fantasy.
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Well, right, and, but you're right. And the other thing about Lamar though, I will say is that they again, the emergence of Rashad Bateman, fully healthy down the stretch last year and they paid him this offseason, obviously you've got Zay Flowers likely comes back, which should be in the first couple of weeks, him and Andrews together as well, they added DeAndre Hopkins, who I think will be a decent red zone threat. I don't know that he's going to be a fantasy factor by himself, but he's another guy that, you know, gives Lamar an option in the red zone. So anyway, like he's my number two.
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Yeah. We have a question from Nunya. Like Nunya business. The difference in tier one and tier three isn't worth the draft capital at QB for me. What do you think, Matthew?
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I disagree. Nunya, I would address you by your name, but I don't have it. Obviously I disagree, but I understand what he's saying, which is like I do think when you think about sort of the tier three guys, right there are question marks around the Baker Mayfields of the world or the Kyler Murray's of the world. I mean they're in the tier three. I feel these four guys, rock solid production. There are some warts. Again, like tier three to your point, like you can wait if you don't get one of these four guys. I would not panic, but I also wouldn't reach. I'd rather I've been, like I said, I've been either one of the first guys in my league to get a quarterback this year or one of the last. Because I think once you get past five, there's also, there's kind of a sameness there and you're just as good with a Dak Prescott or a Justin Fields as you are with, you know, like a Baker Mayfield or Bo Nicks.
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You mentioned the boom or bust nature of Lamar and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts on like how important is consistent consistency from a week to week basis when you're drafting and you're thinking about that versus just overall end of season total points.
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Yeah, I mean, I think if you're drafting quarterback high, that's one of the reasons you're doing it is because you're locking in a big number each week. The thing about Lamar though is Lamar can single handedly win you a week and he'll do that four or five times over the course of the season. And that's the difference in a lot of leagues of making the playoffs or not. Like he will single handedly win you a week.
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Yeah, it's the same thing with Josh Allen too. And that's why these guys are at the top. Josh Allen had what, a 51 point fantasy game last year against the Rams, like right. If you're on the brink of making the playoffs in your Fantasy league and Josh Allen has that week and you got a bunch of fives and sixes from your receiver that like that's big. And those four quarterbacks at the top can do that. Dak Prescott can have great games because we know he's going to throw the ball, we know he's got the receivers. But can you say I feel pretty damn good? Dak Prescott giving me a 50 point game. You ain't feeling as good as Lamar, Josh Allen or J.D. daniels.
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And to your point, Ryan McGlynn says not much talk about Josh Allen in this show. Why is it the wide receiver group this year for the Bills? Are you worried?
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I just talked about him.
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Yeah, he just talked about, look, five straight seasons is the top. Literally five straight seasons as a top two fantasy quarterback for Josh Allen. Proud fantasy life investor as everyone knows. I, I just don't think there, there's not much reason to talk about him because he's a superstar. Like what else are you going to say about him? The guy is consistently great year in, year out and we expect that offense to be again one of the best in the NFL. And it all starts with 17. Jay.
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Yeah, one of the weird wrinkles of this season is that so the Bills last year they're two seed, they win the Division 13 and four Allen wins MVP. They've one of the easiest schedules in football this year. Yeah, that's just how it's shaken out with how the scheduling is done, the fact that they play in a particularly difficult division too. So I'd be a little bit concerned that Josh Allen this year and look, Josh Allen's gonna be fine. He take him as a top four quarterback. But be a little bit concerned we might see some 20, 23 Lamar in 2025, Josh Allen with him just winning by a lot because they're beating up on teams that they're a lot better than. But look, Allen is extremely high floor because of the rushing and because yes, even though he doesn't have the most amazing weapons, they're still like he's not dependent on throwing deep. It didn't really work for them last year. Like it's just, it's a lot of short stuff. It's a lot of him creating him putting the cape on and Josh Allen will be fine. It's just a bit concerned he's not going to have the type of superman type stat lines because they're winning a ton.
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I'm still, we'll, we'll see how it shakes out with the defense. I will say that Allen has Been one of those guys that hasn't sort of taking the brakes off like they, you know, he still plays at a, at a, you know, a, you know, crush them kind of level even when they're winning late in the third quarter here as well. I think the emergence of Keon Coleman, we expect him to take a big step this year. The addition of Josh Palmer was kind of sneaky good. If Shakir and Kincaid are healthy this year, I do think there's enough there that I think, yeah, I think that.
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Their pass catches are definitely better than what we give them credit for, for sure. Like you said Keon Coleman, rookie last year, Josh Palmer guy that we used to. When Justin Herbert used to throw a lot of passes, Josh Palmer was the guy catching the deep passes on the.
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Point about putting the brakes on that is one thing with Allen where he does only have one speed. Patrick Mahomes has two speeds. Patrick Mahomes hit in the playoffs. Once we get there, he starts to scramble a lot more. He puts his body on the line. More specifically in the playoffs, Josh Allen doesn't do that. Josh Allen has no on, off switch. He's just full go all the time. Which a fantasy is good.
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And the last thing I will say here is again, like just this is true for any position, but you don't have to finish the year as the number one option at a position to be worth being the number one guy there. What you're. When you're drafting a guy number one at his position, what you're drafting there is floor. You're basically saying, like, if I'm going to use a third round pick on Josh Allen, I want to know that like, unless he gets hurt, that this guy is going to. Going to return that value. And again, literally five straight years he's been either QB1 or QB2 in fantasy points per game. So just an incredibly high floor. He's just an incredibly safe player, you know, at quarterback for you.
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Yeah. Let's move over to tier two, a tier of his own. A man on an island. Joe Burrow, who says he's slinging the rock better than he has pretty much in his career. This tape is from a few weeks ago.
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Feel great, feel great, body feels good. I think this is the best I'm.
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C
Throwing it in several years.
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So I'm excited about that.
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C
Excited about where our team's at too.
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A lot of young guys stepping up, making plays.
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C
So very optimistic. Why do you say that it's the best you've thrown at Silver. What makes you feel that way?
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You're out there every day.
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Wow, some spicy commentary. Back to the reporter from Joe Burrow. You see me out there every day. Matthew, why is Joe Burrow in his here all by himself?
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C
Well, just listen, he doesn't have the rushing upside of the four guys we just mentioned. Right. But he also doesn't have the warts of some of the guys that we're about ready to talk about here. So I mean there's a, there's an incredibly high floor with Joe Burrow who's averaged at least two touchdown passes per game in 2024, 2022 and 2021. Those are the three years that he was fully healthy. He was QB3 last year, QB4 in 2022, QB10 in 2021. Like when he's healthy, he's always been a top 10 fantasy quarterback. Chase Higgins, Gasecki, Chase Brown in the backfield. Like we like the weapons around him. We don't love the defense very much. We know Zach Taylor. This is going to be a very pass, heavy pass, friendly play at a high pace of play offense. So again, very high floor for Joe Burrow. Very easily could lead the league in passing yards and passing touchdowns this year. That's well within the range of outcomes. He just doesn't run the way that Alan Jackson, Daniels and Hertz does, which is why I think he's in a tear by himself. Because after Burrow and we'll get into the next tier here in a second. But after Burrow, like each one of the guys we'll talk about, we all, we like them, but each one of them I could sort of poke a hole in, you know, there's questions about whether, you know, can they stay healthy or their weapons or their offensive line or whatever. I don't think there's any questions about Joe Burrow other than the fact that he just doesn't run.
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Yeah, the, the flaw with Burrow I guess would be that he's the most likely to get killed by his offensive line. Yeah, these guys. But that's in terms of actually drafting going. Not too worried about the injury risk with Joe Burrow. I do think that the reason why he could be considered in Tier 1 is that I can't remember the last time a guy has come into the season with the weapons that Burrow has, the talent that Burrow has and the offensive responsibility he has because of how bad his defense is. Like Joe Burrow could easily be 5,000 passing yards, 45 passing touchdowns this year. One of those like Drew Brees Saints where the Saint would go 88 and Drew Brees would have 5k passing yards. I can't remember a guy entering a season with that kind of upside. Just from a numbers purely passing perspective since like Mahomes with Tyreek and Kelsey or Payton back in Denver. Yeah Joe Burrow could have that type of season.
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C
That's very true. It's well within the range of outcomes there.
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A
Question from Chris Mookie Mucky Mackie does signing Trey Hendrickson actually hurt Burrow's fantasy ceiling?
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C
Only unless he clones himself in the last 10 other if he go on.
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D
The other team and try to sack Joe Bur then yeah, yeah, maybe.
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C
Or if they were able to clone him and there was 11 Hendricksons on the other side of the ball for the Bengals. Yes, but he's only one man.
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Do they essentially mean does Chris Hecky Mucky Mickey mean that Essentially they won't be in situations where he has to.
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Throw as much but last year he was the sack leader so that's clear. You know it doesn't affect it. And another thing about Burrow is the efficiency we saw earlier on the screen. 70% completion percentage and when you throw so much and you're gonna throw the touchdowns. But he didn't even throw double digit interceptions so that's why he's in that tier by himself. Guys like Dak and Baker, they're gonna throw a lot but can they have that type of touchdown to Internet ratio with all those yards?
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That's why Burrow is like that with Hendrickson. Like he finished second in defensive player of the year last year and they still had a bottom three defense. I think just in general like the defense should be better. It should regress just because defense is typically turnover luck the randomness of defense relative to offense each year. But it's not going to be a good defense. They just don't have the horses for it. So I think that Burrow to your point Lawrence about how consistent he is, the good thing with Burrow on his floor is that he has a low a dot like he doesn't really throw deep that much. It's a lot of short intermediate stuff at high and then when he wants.
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C
To take a shot to Chase, the.
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Reason he's able to throw the ball short so much is because the DBs are playing off right. They got T. Higgins and Jamar so you can't play up on him. He's going to hit those all the time. And what does Jamar Chase do? He'll turn that 10 yards in the 70 to 80 and that's where.
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C
And I'll also say that this is a small thing, but I think it's important. Like, they come into the season. Remember last year, T. Higgins banged up and also, like, there was a contract conversation. He missed a lot of time in camp and everything like that. Joe Burrow didn't play in the preseason last. Last year. Remember? Right wrist and like. And they. And they started slow and they ultimately ended up missing the playoffs by one game. That first week loss in New England.
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A
Played a lot of the preseason this year.
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C
Brutal. Exactly. That's my point. Tristan almost died. Exactly. My commander's almost like, you know, but that's my point, is that they realize that they have to get up to a hot start. So the fact that Burrow has been playing in the preseason, you just heard the clip there, feels fully, you know, feels as healthy as he's been in a long time. T. Higgins and ja' Marr Chase both got paid, both in camp, focused, ready to go. Seems like, you know, whether it's Yosevich or Mitchell Tinsley, they've suddenly they found some nice depth around those guys. They brought back Kosicki as well. So I think the Bengals offense is going to be one of the elite ones, but not only in the NFL, but in fantasy as well.
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Well, and Jay, I mean, you talk about the offensive line being so abysmal, even if it gets a little bit better. Joe Burrow was one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last year. If that improves, he could beat QB1 overall.
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E
Yeah, I also, I think it's a weird thing, Trista, where I think the offensive line being so bad, it almost helps Burrow's fantasy value. Value in a way because they can't run the ball like super efficiently because the O line. And then also he has to throw so much and throw short and intermediates. He doesn't have the time to get everything blocked up to be dependent on the deep ball. So I think Barrow, he's just in terms of pure passer, he is the highest floor guy by far.
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C
Last thing on the Bengals and then we'll move on. Is that also Chase Brown, Remember last year at the beginning of the year they had, you know, Zach Moss, who's kind of this plotter playing half the snaps. And now they've got Chase Brown, who's this explosive guy out of the backfield who can catch the ball that you can dump it off. You know, if they're playing back, if the DBs are playing back because they're worried about Higgins and Chase dump it off to Chase Brown, who can run 15 yards, run 20 yards. Right. So we just were. We're all in on the Bengals offense.
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Yeah. Let's go to tier three. Mahomes, Mayfield, Knicks, Fields, Murray, Purdy, Prescott, and Goff. A meaty one. Mahomes. Fresh haircut, fresh season. Feeling excited?
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Yeah. I think you learned. I mean, I didn't learn this, but you know how hungry these guys are. I started OTAs, and guys are ready to compete. They're ready to get out there and prove who we are. And we have a lot of young guys, and I think it's bringing a lot of energy to the team to add with the veteran leadership that we have. And so I'm excited for the team and excited to get out there. And we got a good last few preseason games, and then we have a great early schedule. So I think guys are really ready to get out there and showcase who we are.
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A
Yeah. There's a lot of disparity and question marks around this tier. Who, Matthew is your favorite target or some of your favorite targets in this team?
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C
Yeah, I mean, look, this is the point where I'm saying, like, if you don't get one of the elite guys, like, I like to wait because I think you're fine with any of this. And I don't think there's a huge difference between all these guys. I mean, I will say I think there's a scenario where Patrick Mahomes just goes scorched earth this year and is just, you know, out for revenge after the tough ending last year. But look, you guys know that Bo Nix, who last year, you know, from week eight on, last year was the sixth best quarterback in fantasy on a points per game basis as well. Justin Fields is a guy that I like a lot. We've talked about him. Just the high floor with the rushing. He's been a top 10 fantasy quarterback every single year in points per game when he's been a starter. And then I'll also mention, we've talked about Dak Prescott a lot here, Jay.
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E
Yeah, Dak. We forget that two years ago he literally finished second in mvp, was putting up a massive passing season. I think Mahomes. It's weird to say this about Patrick Mahomes, I think is a good chance to go down as the greatest quarterback of all time, but he, in a way, is the biggest X factor of the season because he's shown, and I get that his weapons weren't great and the O line wasn't great. There's still some underlying stuff with Mahomes where he didn't avoid sacks as well as he did in previous years. He accuracy on deep balls wasn't as good. Like has there actually been a little bit of slippage with Momes or is it just because of the weapons and not being on the same page with Xavier Worthy? Now they bring in Josh Simmons, the shore up left tackle. They'll be healthier at receiver Rice. Now we have certainty that he's back for week seven. Worthy will be better. Hollywood Brown is going to be a better number two option early on than they had last year. So I agree. I tend to skew towards just greatness kicking in and my home's having a monster season.
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C
But he was, he was not a good fantasy quarterback last year. Relative like and, and the Chief before it was weird. Like the Chiefs, you know, all season long it was just like the Chiefs can't keep getting away with it. And then it finally got to the super bowl when they could and then they didn't.
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D
I mean, yeah, they still in the super bowl, but it's like kick their ass. Yeah. Like so we talked about. I just want to say real quick about Dak Prescott. If there's any guy that could have the most similar numbers to a Joe Burrow, I would bet on it being dad Prescott because he should have, you know, similar passing attempt numbers. He's got George Pickens. Now we know Dak Prescott is one of the better deep ball throwers in the NFL. So George Pickens will help in that aspect. And obviously they got CD Lamb year boy eights, as you like to call them. And then we look at their running back room. There's something to be desired there too.
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C
So that's the nicest thing that's been said about the Cowboys running back room all year long.
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D
And I'm a really nice guy on Thursdays, so, you know, I'll say that about the Cowboys running back room. So I think Dak Prescott could have those type of numbers.
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A
It does worry me whenever Mike Tomlin goes away from a talented player. You saw with the Antonio Brown you saw with La'Veon Bell. I'm as a Cowboy fan very concerned about what that means for the George Pickens Dak Prescott connection. The upside is there, but I am number two, right?
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C
The pro George Pickens argument is that unlike being the main guy in Pittsburgh where it was always, it was always, you know, a conservative offense, you know, pre and post Arthur Smith, now he's going to go to Dallas where he doesn't have to do much in terms of like, Ceedee Lamb's going to, you know, be the focal point of the passing offense. You got Jake Ferguson there as well. And so with George Pickens, you're like, hey, just run deep. You know, here's a couple of deep routes. And then he got his row, he's got his role, and so he doesn't have to take on a lot. And Dak Prescott is one of the more accurate deep ball throwers in the NFL. And so I think that's the idea because, look, Pickens couldn't. Pickens played less than 60% of the snaps even when he was, quote, the alpha wide receiver in Pittsburgh, just because, you know, he struggled with routes and. But I think in Dallas, he's in a much better situation with a better quarterback and a more defined role for him where he doesn't have to take on so much pressure here. I just. But, like, if you can throw up that. The Tier 3 screen again, again, we like all these guys and I think you can wait if you don't get one of the elite guys. But, like, there are question marks about each one of them. Right. So is Mahomes, like, you know, Mahomes from a couple years ago or Mahomes from last year. Right. Is Baker Mayfield has the most touchdown passes in the NFL over the last two seasons, but his touchdown success rate was really, really high. Is there a regret, a negative regression in the mean where that comes down a little bit? Bo Nix, we love him, but we've only seen it for half a season. Justin Fields, New York media has, you know, claimed its share of victims. You know, if the jets get off to a slow start, Kyler Murray, you know, look, my worst ride or die call, you know, potentially ever. Will he run? Because last year he did not run.
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A
And he's talking about, oh, I really want to run this year. My team needs me to run.
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D
We think he will. They say he wins actions over words.
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C
Right. But. And Brock Purdy, who's he throwing to other than Ricky Piersol and George Kittle? Like, that's, you know, that's a concern there as well. We talked about Dak. Dak needs to stay healthy. And then. And then Jared Goff, do they go more run heavy with Gibbs and Montgomery? And if their defense is healthy, are they not as many shootouts?
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E
Yeah. And also he doesn't get 14 games inside this year. Jared Goff.
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C
Yeah. So again, I like all of. I like all of those guys, but I'm just saying, like, you can nitpick a little bit with each of them where I don't think you can with the top four guys. And so that's the reason why. But the difference between Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff I don't think is significant. So I'm again, that's why I say if I'm not one of the first guys in my league to get a quarterback, I want to be one of the last.
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A
Johnnie Walker L a been drinking that Johnnie Walker like crazy. To think Bo Nix has a better passing season than Jalen Hurts. I think yes.
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D
What do we determine by that? Like a better passing season? Because if we talking about accuracy, that ain't going to happen. If we're talking about passing yards, that could happen. Passing touchdowns could be close. So it just depends what we judging.
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A
It by with the attempts too.
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E
Yeah, Bonix just isn't going to have 15 rushing touchdowns though. Like Jalen hurts.
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C
No, yeah, exactly. But could he wait, could the question say passing? He said passing. Could Bo Nick throw for more yards and more passing touchdowns than Jalen Hurts? Of course. You know, again, Hertz's fantasy value comes from the fact that, you know, he's getting 10 rushing touchdowns this year, he's getting double digit rushing touchdowns. We think he throws a lot more than last year. But could Knicks just completely air it out? I mean, for sure, again, is that.
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A
What they want to do in Denver though? They've got multiple running backs, they want to lean on their defense. Is that how Sean Payton's going to run things?
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E
The thing with Knicks is that he's pretty much. He's always. It's short stuff and it's deep stuff. Like it's not middle of the field, it's not intermediate. So he does have some upside if he just runs hot on the deep stuff. And he does have deep weapons in Colton Sutton, in Marvin Mims. So there is some scope there. And also like he's going into year two and I get that, you know, he was an older kind of established, developed rookie, but there's still talent, scope for Knicks to get better.
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C
I mean Sean Payton has always been a fantasy friendly offense. Another guy that sort of like keeps the, keeps the foot on the pedal no matter what the scoreboard says. And the fact is, is that in addition to we expect a bigger role for Marvin Mims. They drafted Pat Bryant, they brought in Evan Ingram who I think is really going to help out in the underneath stuff as well. RJ Harvey is a really nice pass catching running back. So I think there's going to be. And J.K. dobbins. I think is going to be as long as he stays healthy. Is a hammer up the middle that helps set up play action. He's a threat with his leg. So I do think there's absolutely a scenario where Bonix has a better passing year than Jalen Hurts. Again, Bo Nix made my love list, so I'm in on Bonix. I'm pro Bonix, but I can certainly understand that, you know, seen it for half a season, so there's certainly, you know, he's not a sure thing.
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A
Let's go to tier four. Caleb Williams, Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, CJ Stroud, Jordan Love and JJ McCarthy for you, Matthew, how big of a gap is there between tier three and tier four?
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C
I think there's a little bit of one, but not that, not that much, to be perfectly honest. I mean, again, Caleb Williams gets more rushing yards than you think. He had nine different games last year with at least 30 or more rushing yards. We've talked about the improved offensive line, the drafting of Colston Loveland. We think Roma Dunes takes another step this year. Drake May. You know, we expect big things from Drake May this year with Josh McDaniels calling the plays, more designed runs. We like, you know, the addition of Stepon Diggs. We have high hopes for Kyle Williams another year pop Douglas Travion Henderson out of the backfield, of course. But I'm really, I'm also really high on Trevor Lawrence. Again, I think there is fantasy value to be had across the board in Jacksonville. I don't think BTJ is being drafted too high. I absolutely love, love, love Travis Hunter. I think that Breton, if you're in a deep, super deep league. Breton Strange at tight end. Parker Washington in a deep PPR league I think has a little bit of value. Lawrence gets you more points with his legs than you think. Liam Cohen, when you think about, you know, kind of offense that he ran with Baker Mayfield last year, they're going to throw because again, that's a team that's also similar to Cincinnati. He's going to have an awful defense.
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E
Yep. C.J. stroud's also interesting one.
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C
C.J.
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E
Stroud is being drafted like QB6, QB7 last year. That's up a range after an epic rookie season. I think he's probably been written off a little bit too quickly. I think that he has with a full season. And Nico Collins, who I think is a top five receiver in the sport, he could really bounce back.
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C
The hate's gone too far.
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E
Yes, I agree. I don't think there's that much of a difference between Stroud and the other guys in this tier. And even guys like Prescott Goff, are they so far ahead of C.J. stroud? Like, I'd rather have C.J. stroud at value. Jordan Love, I think will bounce back just with a healthier season overall. We forget that Jordan Love is a top five fantasy quarterback in 2023, despite having the growing pains of effectively being a rookie quarterback that season. So I think that Love, and I get that his weapons aren't amazing, but he's got a lot of lottery tickets and one of them can hit.
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A
That's what I was going to ask you is why was Jordan love in tier 4 and not in 3? Just the uncertainty with Jaden Reed in a boot. And you've got Matthew golden, the rookie.
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C
Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of things, right. So he doesn't run. He, he doesn't run at all. They want to run. They, they tend to be more run heavy with Josh Jacobs. You know, LaFleur likes to play ball control ball control offense. They have a pretty good defense. They're in a really tough division. He, he has had to trouble staying healthy. And to your point, like, we're excited about Matthew Golden. Like, I'm a believer in Matthew golden this year, but we know Watson's out. Jaden Reed's already. Jaden Reed is banged up now. He's going to try to play through the. Play through the pain. We have not seen any kind of consistent production out of Dontavian Wicks or Romeo Dobbs. We think Tucker Kraft is going to take a step this year and break through, but he's not proven either. So. But to your point, Trista, which is you're like, wait a minute. Like, Jordan Love has been a top five fantasy quarterback at points in his career for periods of time and I've got him at QB19. I'm sorry.
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A
Got injured week one last year and never really recovered.
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C
So I mean, to Jay's point, again, like, if he's fully healthy, this is somebody who is paid as one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL. And we've seen it. We just haven't seen it for long stretches. But there's certainly a scenario and that's why, that's why the difference between Tier 3 and Tier 4 is not really that great. And I keep saying it, if I don't get one of those four elite guys, I'm perfectly fine being literally the last guy to get a starting quarterback in my league.
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E
Yeah. Before we get to Jake's question and My answer to that question is going to be Jordan Love anyway, but to push back. And you're right, last year they ran the ball a ton. They were 31st in pass rate over expectation. Now some of that is Malik Willis, some of that Josh Jacobs having a really good season. I think it was that Jordan Love just wasn't healthy the whole year because in 2023 they were 10th in pass rate over expectations. So I think we're going to see a more balanced offense this year. I think they'll throw more assuming Love stays healthy.
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C
Yeah. And I'll say this, you know, like, interesting. Like I get, you know, I did my love hate, my, my final love hate last week. Please go read it on NBCSports.com Rotterworld.com I'm a company man, but like on my hate list for quarterbacks, I didn't have that many guys and you know, I got crap for it. Like, and I'm just like, they. Honestly, there's so many good quarterbacks this year. There are so many quarterbacks where you could sit here and go like, yeah, I can see it. We have J.J. mcCarthy at QB20.
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D
Yeah. How he sneak in there in that fourth tier.
- [33:35]
C
You don't think he should be.
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D
Nah, I'll just. Cause you got like a, you know, you got a Bryce Young and we'll get to tier five in a minute. But a guy who kind of did a little something and I'm asking, is it related to like Justin Jefferson, Kevin o', Connell, like, what's the last year.
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C
Sam Darnold was left for dead and was a top 10 fantasy quarterback. And Kevin O', Connell, friend of the podcast and coach of the year Kevin o' Connell basically said, you know what, I'm going to, I could keep, I could franchise tag Sam Darnold, I could try to work out a two year deal with guaranteed money in the first year and keep him around to sort of train JJ McCarthy, you know, but he was just like, no, we're good with a guy that they drafted, you know, early in the first round two years ago. And so I'm banking on OConnell system. What I saw from McCarthy in college and the weapons, you know, with Jefferson and Hawkinson and they just added Adam Thielen and they're going to get Jordan Addison back in three games. And so. And Jalen Naylor had some moments like that's if he made. Darnold was left for dead and just signed a $40 million contract.
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D
He's a top guy, probably wouldn't even start it if McCarthy right, doesn't get hurt.
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E
A first year quarterback has never had a better situation than JJ McCarthy.
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A
Jake Trowbridge says which of these tier four guys has the best chance to finish as a top five fantasy quarterback. Matthew Jay says Jordan Love.
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E
Because he already did it.
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A
Because he already did it. Who else would it be besides Jordan Love?
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C
I think it's honestly like if I have to pick one, I was going to say Caleb Williams. If I have to pick one, I think it's Caleb Williams. Like there's a reason why he was drafted number one overall. You mentioned JJ McCarthy has the best situation. Caleb Williams probably has the, the second best situation of a, of a year two player. Of course him and McCarthy part of the same draft class. Caleb did play last year, JJ didn't, but Caleb with all the weapons they've given him, new head coach, a fantasy friendly head coach and play caller in Ben Johnson. Really good offensive line. When Caleb Williams had time last year, even in that disaster of an offense, he was good. He can make all the throws. He runs more than you give him credit for. So I do think Caleb Williams, if he puts it all together. But I could see a scenario where Drake May, who had, you know, in 60% of his completed games last year in a disaster in all offense with no offensive line and no one around him, still scored at least 17 fantasy points. So with more design runs for Drake May, I could see it. And Trevor Lawrence again, like, you know, it's, it's an easy comparison just because they're both Jacksonville quarterbacks. But like Blake Bortles. Blake Bortles, the lord of junk time. Blake Bortles was a top 10 fantasy quarterback for multiple years in Jacksonville because they'd get their asses kicked and then he would just throw up all this junk time. And I think Jacksonville will be better than that. But again, btj, a year from now we're going to be talking about BTJ and Travis Hunter in the same breadth that we talk about with like Chase and Higgins. And you know, is this one of the best duos in, you know, in Puka and Devontae Adams, like they're going to be up there as like among the elite duo wide receivers in the NFL. I think Lawrence, you know, there's a good quarterback in there with Trevor Lawrence.
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E
People don't know this Tristan, but if you say the words Blake Bortles five times, he appears just like the Candyman.
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C
He'll be here.
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D
Somebody vetoed a trade for me one time with Blake Bordes. I was like brush oh, look at.
- [36:53]
C
Raise the flags here. Raise the flags.
- [36:57]
E
Killed him yesterday.
- [36:58]
C
Right? By the way, this is. Welcome back. Raise the flags. By the way, this might be Denny Carter's burner account because something the mainstream media won't tell you is that Trevor Lawrence was only seven points less than Baker Mayfield in 2023. Trevor again, like it was a disaster of an offense. I'm in on the Jaguars as fantasy value this year.
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A
Well, if you're high on Travis Hunter and you're high on btj, then why are we so low on Trevor Lawrence?
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D
Well, I ask the same question sometimes is why do we draft Jaylen Waddle and Tyreek but everybody but they don't like Tua. So I don't see what the difference is in TUA has proven more in this league than Trevor Lawrence.
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E
I'll take the Jags duo.
- [37:38]
C
Yeah, I mean I think we gonna.
- [37:41]
D
Have to make a bet.
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C
Yeah. The argument is. The argument is health. Tua, Tua's health and the health of. I mean Waddle, Hn and Tyreek have all been injured over the last two years. So it's not just Tua's health but also the health of his primary offense. And by the way, Tua doesn't run. Trevor Lawrence will get you 20 to 30 rushing yards a game. Like he is, he is similar to, you know, he's similar to like sort of Caleb Williams or Justin Herbert or Mahomes. You know, something like that. Like he's not, he's not Josh Allen or Jaden Daniels, but he is somebody that will get you two to three points with his legs.
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A
Fascinating. Tier 5, Michael Penix, Bryce Young, Tua, Tug of Iloa, Cam Ward. We've got Daniel Jones on this list. Geno Smith who had a pretty good year last year, Matthew Stafford, a lot of injury question marks around him. Sam Darnold, Aaron Rodgers and Jackson Dart. What a beefy list.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Can anyone to you in this group become a viable starter in a one.
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C
Quarterback league when Jackson Dart is the starting quarterback of the Giants? 100% Jackson Dart is going to be a top 10 fantasy quarterback. When he's the starter for the Giants, he's going to be running around like crazy. He's going to be, you know what.
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D
If he run away this year?
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C
He's going to start this year. He'll start this year. But I mean like he's going to be like a borderline QB1 Jackson Dart. It's just when does he get that start here? And look, Lawrence, it was a super small sample size but there's absolutely a scenario where Michael Penix just, you know, is a rocket ship this year.
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D
Yeah, Michael Penix, again, small sample size like you said, but he's coming into the season this year knowing he's the starter. Last year it was kind of like, kind of like how you just said about Jackson Dart, like when is he going to start? That's how it was with Michael Penix last year. But now that we know it's his offense, we know he has the rapport with Drake London. We saw Drake London and Bijan Robinson both take their game to a next level when Michael Penix was in the lineup.
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E
Yeah, a little worried about Caleb McGarry being out for the season with Penix on his blind side, but I agree he's got a ton of upside. He's going to throw it perhaps deeper than anyone else in the NFL. I think Daniel Jones is being a little bit slept on. Daniel Jones in 2022 was a borderline top 10 fantasy quarterback. He uses his legs. Shane Steichen promised us he's the quarterback all year. He's going to get a leash. He's got better weapons than he ever did in New York. He's got a better offensive line than he ever got in New York. So I think Daniel Jones, I think he's going to be a top 10 fancy quarterback. But particularly, you know, super flex leagues, you need a third qb. I like him more than a lot of other players.
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D
Hold on, hold on real quick. We just got to add real quick that the reason why Jay is saying this is why. What's special? What else is special about Daniel Jones?
- [40:17]
E
He may be, he may be my quarterback now to be fair, I have Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert as well, but he's third straight.
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C
You just watch Jay Croucher talk himself into it on but jokes aside, I actually agree with you. We love Tyler Warren, obviously Josh Downs, Pittman is a solid veteran. He doesn't have to carry the offense the way he did in New York because he's got Jonathan Taylor as well. I do think Steichen's offense, where you get the quarterback on the move and you do a bunch of rpo is actually a perfect fit for Daniel Jones's skill set actually. So. And not a tough division. And I will say that I think there's something. People forget this about how again, I talk about this all the time, how players are human beings. Like they have egos and they have insecurities and anger and everything like that. And I think there's a different mentality For Daniel Jones, whereas he's come into New York as the sixth overall pick. And all the media, it's like, that guy, why'd you draft that guy? No one had him that early. And then he's struggling in New York media and being blamed and, you know, the way it ended in New York wasn't great. Now it's sort of like I could see Daniel Jones kind of having an effort mentality. Like, what else can they do to me, man? Like, I'm. I was released, I was out of football. I'm in Indy now. Like, screw it. Like, Daniel Jones is only 28, right? I know.
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E
Three years older than Bo Nix or something.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Oh, my goodness. K Gemma. 89. Evil J. WTF riding on Danny Penny's Barry Reign of terror will continue if this league is with him.
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D
You know what? KG89, you right, man, these guys talking like, Daniel Jones, he's my backup quarterback.
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A
Listen, listen.
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C
I think the best Tier five. I'm talking up tier five.
- [41:57]
A
How about Bryce Young?
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D
I think the best person in this tier is Bryce Young because that's fair. We talk about like he's done like quarterback eight in fantasy points per game over his last seven starts. That's not a two or three game stretch. That's half the damn fantasy football season. And even in the preseason, it's like it carried over. Soon as they put Tedroy McMillan, boom, he hit him on the deep route. Like that's. This is going to be smooth.
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A
And he's got wheels.
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C
He does, yeah. I mean, like, yeah, he surprisingly, he scored a lot of rushing touchdowns down the stretch, which is one of the reasons why that that fantasy points were elevated down the stretch. So if they use that, if they use that more again, T Mac, if Leggette can take another step. Cokeheads unite. Jalen Coke are going to be in 11 personnel with them. As we've talked about, the Chubbler. The original Chubbler.
- [42:46]
E
Well, no, not the original Chubble. The Chubbler secondary Chubbler.
- [42:49]
C
The original Chubbler on this show. Chuba Hubbard. Nice. Out of the backfield. So I'm with you on Bryce Young and Michael Penix. But I'm just saying, like, if you're in a deeper league, a super flex league, which we're going to get to, Daniel Jones is probably somebody that like, you can hold your nose and he'll be better in fantasy than you think.
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D
If I had Daniel Jones in the Super Flex League. I'm trying to draft Anthony Richardson, which Jay tried to do.
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C
Yeah, he got.
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A
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A
Um, that's a hard question.
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C
Something that you can strive for, that.
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A
I'm able to do anything I set my mind to. You're confident in yourself and you believe in yourself. Stuff that you could achieve.
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G
I feel at Sara Eddie Ling is.
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A
Possible when you're more confident.
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E
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C
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C
It's what is it? Clark Brady is going to live stream himself watching that. I believe that's the case in the it's frightening stuff. From what I understand, he's talked his fiance into it. We'll see if the knuckles are she's.
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A
Going to watch with it.
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C
No. As long as she does this and break up with him, I think it's a win.
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E
So long as we just get to the marriage. We just have to get to the wedding for Clark.
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C
Here you go. Clark Brady tweeted this the other day. Got a livestream planned for the August 31st at 9am where you can watch me react all 12 hours of the NBC Sports Fantasy Marathon. My fiance is already the ring is coming back, brother.
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A
You better see if it's on you can return them.
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E
I think you found a good one, Clark. She's worth hanging on to if she's concerned about it.
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C
Report to us yet next week after when you show us the proof that you did watch everything, we'll See there.
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A
Oh, my goodness.
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C
All right.
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A
I am in a super flex league. The drafts Sunday, okay. And I don't know where my draft position is until I'm right in the room. So I'm going to need a little randomized before the real sicko stuff. What is the QB? Let's talk first about the ADP 1 through 10, because if you have a QB strategy, if you don't have one of the top four QBs, I just kind of want to get a little advice.
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C
So this ADP, of course, is from FantasyLife.com where the consensus ADP tool takes the average draft position among all the major sites, puts it together, it's a great tool. You can pick and choose which site you want to use as well. But across all the sites in Superplex, Josh Allen goes 1, Lamar goes 2, Chase is 3, Jaden 4, Hertz 5, Bijan Burrow, Jameer Gibbs, and then so on. As you see it here as we move on to the second level as well. But basically like, it seems like that there's. If you don't, the top guys go at the very top. But then as we've talked about, if you're not one of the getting those first guys, you're more comfortable getting a bichon, you know, a Gibbs, a CD Lamb, a Chase, a burrow. Fill sort of out the first round. I kind of. I want a quarterback in the first two rounds of a Super Flex. I don't mind if I'm picking the middle to second half of the round there, Trista. I don't mind getting one of those elite players once the. One of those elite positional players once the quarterbacks are gone. But on the comearound, I want to get some of there because if you think about it, then by the time it gets to you at the end of the third round, you don't want to go into the draft with, you know, Matthew Stafford as your number one.
- [47:26]
E
Listen, you just don't want to end up in a situation where your two quarterbacks are Bryce Young and Michael Pennocks. That's just where you just absolutely cannot.
- [47:34]
D
End up with people like that.
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E
You cannot end up there situations, you got to do everything you can to avoid that.
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C
That's factually correct. Factually correct as well. I will say this, that if you get sniped out of quarterbacks, one thing that. One thing that a strategy that I do think would actually work here is drafting Joe Flacco. And hang on, hear me out again. In the Super Flex league where you're desperate for a quarterback into my Hamlet. Yeah. Make no mistake. Yeah. Pennix and Bryce Young and just try to talk himself into Daniel Jones on national tv. Tristan.
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D
Right here.
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C
Tristan. Ignore the two of them.
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A
I mean it's crazy.
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C
Yeah.
- [48:13]
E
Crouch's name dragged through the mud. He got three of the top 18 players by ADP apparently in a 12 team league.
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C
There you go. No, what I will say is that Joe Flacco I think will be fantasy productive as long as he has the job. Like they're gonna sling it. He definitely has some YOLO to him. He was obviously very fantasy productive the last times he started for the Cleveland Browns. You may not know this, but he actually won comeback player this year. I did. Based of those five years I thought Hamlin won. Was Joe flaky?
- [48:39]
E
Here's the problem, here's the problem with yolo. He's going to die and you don't.
- [48:42]
C
Get to live twice.
- [48:43]
D
He got that YOLO in him, but he got that get sacked in them pick sixes in him too.
- [48:47]
C
Now I think Joe Flacco will be a viable fantasy quarterback as long as he has the job, but I don't think he will keep the job all season. At some point Jackson Dart is going to take over New York and I think he's going to be very fantasy viable once he gets that job. So again, if you're sitting there late and you've gotten sort of screwed out of all these quarterbacks and you're trying to, you're desperately trying to figure it out, I do think a combo of Flacco and Dart actually is a viable QB2. You know, again, assuming you've waited on quarterback a little bit too long, I.
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E
Say the other guy who I want us to back up and I don't like to compliment my man Lawrence Jackson, but Anthony Richardson, if he gets the job at some point and Daniel Jones has a huge injury history, he runs, he's a risk. If AR gets the job because DJ is injured, then all of a sudden there is still a lot of upside in Anthony Richardson statistically.
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A
Well you mentioned just like who you should pick up maybe as a QB2, but in super flex, how important is it to pick up a third quarterback just in case there's an injury issue? Because if you just have one in a super flex league you're kind of behind the eight ball.
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C
Yeah, for sure. I think the answer to that question depends on your roster construction and who your first two quarterbacks are. So like in our super flex, I'll just tell you. My two quarterbacks are Jaden Daniels and Drake May, barring injury I have no concerns about either of those guys losing their job. Those guys are going to be the starter all year long. I ended up grabbing a third quarterback. I have Stafford as my third just because it'll give you some trade options but if you have two superstar quarterbacks or two guys that you feel really good about at quarterback, you don't necessarily need to draft a third. But if you're sitting there with Bryce Young and Michael Penix, well, we gonna come back to these clips by all means. Listen, there's upside Lawrence. I actually don't mind it because you. I like those guys. Right. We like those guys too. We think they both have upside and the rest of your team is really strong but they clearly both have question marks of course. So what I'm saying is like your third quarterback is Anthony Richardson which I don't mind as an upside play but I'd have felt better with you getting somebody like a Stafford who's not exciting or sexy but again Stafford is going to start every single game barring injury and I feel like Bryce Young and Penix will as well but again because there's some question marks I think right.
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D
They're going to have their jobs and I feel good about them. Superstar. Nah. But if I could get Bryce Young that second half of the season he don't even have to do that.
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C
Good.
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D
If he just does that I feel like the rest of the team should be able to help anchor.
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C
But I think the answer to the third quarterback question, Jay is just basically how good you feel about the first two. Yeah.
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E
Also I found super flex. Everyone reaches for their third quarterback because they're worried about not just like the injury but like by a week I have to throw a non quarterback in a flip. It's like I don't know, maybe instead of the third quarterback just take Chris Godwin if he's on the board like people I think do reach for that.
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A
Well and that's what I was just about to ask is should you ever have a non quarterback in that super flex spot?
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E
I mean ideally no, but at the same time sometimes it's just unavoidable and you're better off probably you should go forward as though your two starting quarterbacks are hopefully going to be healthy and not reach for the third guy.
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C
The other thing to remember is this is a violent game. I think the number is 56 different quarterbacks started a game last year. 56 different quarterbacks and while you're not going to love like all right, I'm I'm throwing out Easton stick or whatever for this one game, right? You know. Yeah, I know he did. The stick man got cut. You know, the Spencer Rattlers of the world, the, you know, Jake Hayners of the world, whatever. He also got cut. But my point is, is like if you don't get a third quarterback and you do need one, when a bye week comes up, chances are there will be a spot start quarterback that you can, you don't love, but you can, you can sort of live with for one week.
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A
Last call. Coming up next, our best bets to win the NFC east right after break.
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C
You should do pick six with Daniel Jones there in James.
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E
Is Jameis not available? I thought he trademarked it. Yeah, okay, Tristan, I'm taking the New York giants.
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C
Screw it.
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E
18 to 1. We go back to the world doing it again. This could be a 20 top five defense in football.
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C
Yeah, he took him at 80 to 1 last year. So you're, you know.
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E
Did it win last year?
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C
It did not.
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E
No, it does. They went 3 and 14 going back to the. Well, I, I think it should be 14 to 1. So I don't think they're going to do it, but I do think there is upside here also. Jackson dart, who knows? Maybe he is the answer.
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C
They do have a legitimately good defense, so if they can get something figured out on offense, couple breaks goes their way. Like. Yeah, I don't believe I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to give the guy a run.
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D
They're going to be tough, but no.
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C
No, no, no, no.
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D
If I was going to take the value, I'd take the Cowboys. But I'm not taking the value. I'm taking the Eagles who haven't changed anything much on their offense or their defense, they'll be right back there in the mix.
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A
Yeah, for me, I mean, I just love Jaden Daniels. If this offensive line gets better, you.
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C
Got to welcome to the show.
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A
Tristan McLaurin is back. I like the value. I don't think the Eagles are going to repeat. It hasn't happened in a long time. So I'm going to roll with the plus 220.
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C
That is true. The NFC East. I think it's 18 straight years. 18 straight years. There has not been a repeat champion. So give me the commanders at plus 220. Of course. Hail to the Commanders. Hail victory, raise hail. Who do you think I'm taking? For the love of God? It's the most obvious bet in the universe. I cannot wait to have money raining down on me as my commanders win the NFC East. You don't have to go home, but you can't see here because it's closing time for Lawrence and Jay and Tristan. Matthew, we are not live tomorrow but it will be on at noon. Peace out.
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E
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