Week 18 Takeaways: Michael Wilson, Jaxson Dart + Black Monday coaching changes

Summary

Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry

Episode: Week 18 Takeaways: Michael Wilson, Jaxson Dart + Black Monday Coaching Changes
Date: January 5, 2026
Hosts: Matthew Berry, Connor Rogers, Jay Croucher

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Overview

This episode dives into the wild Week 18 of the NFL, the fallout and takeaways for fantasy football, and significant coaching changes on “Black Monday.” Matthew Berry, Connor Rogers, and Jay Croucher cover key game and player performances, analyze upcoming fantasy values, and react to breaking news, including firings around the league. Lively debate, movie banter, and signature humor keep the conversation fresh and relatable throughout.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Star Wars Banter & Movie Hot Takes (03:00–08:38)

• The episode kicks off with lighthearted debate over movies, centering on Connor's admission he's never watched Star Wars.
  • Quote: “How are you a red blooded American male and you’ve never seen Star Wars? The original trilogy?” – Matthew Berry (03:08)
• Jay opines on movie-commonality bets for Americans, and the crew argues the merits of Star Wars vs. The Godfather.
• The diversion ends with Matthew joking about the show’s derailment—setting a fun, conversational tone.

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Ravens’ Kicking Woes, Fan Reactions, and Defensive Struggles (08:38–14:11)

• Tyler Loop’s Missed FG: Baltimore’s missed 44-yard field goal triggers a heated segment on kicker expectations, fan abuse, and stadium difficulty.
  • Quote: “The kid missed a bad kick, right? … it's a kick you’ve got to make. You're a professional kicker in the NFL. Ravens, they expect you to make that kick." – Matthew Berry (09:15)
• The hosts blast fans harassing Loop’s girlfriend online: "Stop it, stop it. The kid sat in front of the press. He answered every question..." (10:23)
• They analyze how the loss isn’t solely on Loop—citing defensive lapses and play-calling.

Defensive Injuries and Playoff Risks (12:16–13:43)

• Jay and Connor highlight Kyle Hamilton's impact: when Hamilton exited, the Ravens' secondary fell apart.
  • Quote: “Outside of like Myles Garrett and Micah Parsons, Kyle Hamilton might be worth more to his defense than any player is to any team.” – Jay Croucher (12:59)
• Berry notes personal betting takeaways: fantasy props on Derrick Henry, Adam Thielen; expresses incredulity Baltimore’s defense let Adam Thielen and Calvin Austin beat them.

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Quick Fantasy Takeaways: Kenneth Gainwell’s Value Rises (14:11–15:58)

• The hosts pivot to Kenneth Gainwell’s promising season and fantasy relevance:
  • Quote: “He’s just a good football player. We have to change our perception of him… Top 20 fantasy running back in PPR formats, top five among running backs in targets, receptions, and receiving yards.” – Matthew Berry (15:19)
• Gainwell suggested as a PPR back to watch for 2026 drafts, depending on team context.

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Derrick Henry: Aging Phenomenon or Fantasy Trap? (15:58–19:17)

• Discussion shifts to Derrick Henry’s ongoing dominance and whether Father Time will ever catch up:
  • Quote: “He is such an absurd physical specimen that we just have to assume that the laws of science don’t apply to him.” – Jay Croucher (16:22)
• Berry shares field-side insights about Henry’s legendary commitment to physical maintenance.
• Doubt he’s a first-round PPR pick next year, mainly due to limited receiving work and advancing age.

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Matthew’s Epic Travel Saga (19:17–20:28)

• Berry describes his exhausting travel weekend, crossing multiple states to be present for the show—drawing both sympathy and jokes about physical endurance and “chicken tenders as fuel.”

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Rams vs Cardinals: Michael Wilson’s Breakout & Black Monday News (20:37–25:37)

• Jay praises Puka Nakua while breaking news drops: Cardinals fire head coach Jonathan Gannon (21:22).
• Discussion focuses on what Gannon’s exit means and Michael Wilson’s fantasy outlook for 2026. Wilson impressed down the stretch but target share with Marvin Harrison Jr. active is a concern.
  • Quote: “I think he’s like a wide receiver 3 Juwan Jennings, from a fantasy football point of view.” – Matthew Berry (24:23)
• Heavy uncertainty remains: next Cardinals coach, QB situation, and offense philosophy.

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The MVP Debate: Stafford vs. Drake May (25:37–29:52)

• Flashpoint argument: Who deserves the NFL MVP—Drake May or Matthew Stafford?
• Berry makes the case for May, noting May’s supporting cast was substantially weaker than Stafford’s.
  • Quote: “Drake May’s out here with Matt Collins and Demario Douglas!” – Matthew Berry (27:31)
• Jay details how advanced stats support May despite critics focusing on passing TDs and strength of schedule.

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Tight Ends for 2026: Loveland, Warren, Fannin & More (29:56–33:08)

• The segment pivots to tight end ADP rankings for 2026.
  • Loveland’s late-season surge and expected role in Ben Johnson’s offense put him in the conversation with Warren, Fannin, Kittle, and others.
  • Quote: “We’re going to be very high on Colson Loveland next year. We’re going to be very high on this Bears offense and Ben Johnson.” – Matthew Berry (32:31)

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Jaxson Dart, Giants Decisions, and Rookie Evaluations (35:20–38:48)

• Giants' upset win derails their draft position, but the team appears intent on keeping GM Joe Schoen.
• Matthew touts his preseason call: “When Jaxson Dart starts, he'll be at QB1 the rest of the way.” (35:36)
• Discussion on coaching stability, Giants' quarterback future, and “should we care about Jaden Blue?” (not really).

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Patriots’ Backfield Mystery: Stevenson vs. Travion (39:07–41:18)

• Ramondre Stevenson and Travion Anderson’s respective value for 2026 is debated.
  • Stevenson is surging late, but the ceiling is capped by Anderson’s talent and draft capital.
• Berry expects both will split work, and Josh McDaniels’ history suggests a committee.

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The Coaching Carousel: Black Monday Fallout (41:18–44:14)

• Black Monday firings include Pete Carroll, Jonathan Gannon, and Raheem Morris.
• Jay, Matthew, and Connor speculate on Raiders, Cardinals, and Falcons' next hires and roster impacts.
  • “Kevin Stefanski…probably the best coaching candidate out there right now.” – Matthew Berry (42:50)
• Giants are a rumored Stefanski fit, especially to groom Jaxson Dart.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Star Wars Culture Shock:
  • “How are you a red blooded American male and you’ve never seen Star Wars? The original trilogy?” – Matthew Berry (03:08)
  • “I have nine movies to watch. I’m owning it though.” – Connor Rogers (07:35)
  • “You go to a theme park, there’s no Godfatherland.” – Matthew Berry (08:25)
• Ravens Loss Reaction:
  • “He missed a kick. Oh, by the way, maybe how about your defense not give up a game-winning drive twice in a row?” – Matthew Berry (10:31)
• On Kyle Hamilton’s Value:
  • “One [Kyle] Hamilton injury away from death…” – Connor Rogers (12:57)
  • “Kyle Hamilton might be worth more to his defense than any player is to any team.” – Jay Croucher (12:59)
• Derrick Henry the Outlier:
  • “He’s just not normal.” – Matthew Berry (16:53)
• MVP Argument:
  • “Drake May’s out here with Matt Collins and Demario Douglas!” – Matthew Berry (27:31)
• Fantasy Surprise:
  • “Michael Wilson finishes with more fantasy points per game than Justin Jefferson…CD Lamb. Like, I just—I mean, it’s—it’s wild.” – Matthew Berry (24:49)
• Jaxson Dart Praise:
  • “He was fantastic and it didn’t matter who else…ends up with over 20 fantasy points in this one. Finishes as a top 10 fantasy quarterback as well.” – Matthew Berry (35:36)
• On Ramondre Stevenson:
  • "Ever since we took it down [his jersey], it's like the opposite of Jay...over the last four weeks, Ramondre Stevenson's been the third best running back in fantasy football." – Matthew Berry (39:15)
• Coaching Carousel Reaction:
  • “Kevin Stefanski…probably the best coaching candidate out there right now.” – Matthew Berry (42:50)

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Rapid Segment Timestamps:

• 03:00–08:38 – Pop culture/Star Wars banter
• 08:38–14:11 – Ravens' loss, kicking & defense meltdown
• 14:11–15:58 – Kenneth Gainwell’s fantasy outlook
• 15:58–19:17 – Derrick Henry conversation
• 19:17–20:28 – Matthew Berry’s “travel warrior” story
• 20:37–25:37 – Rams-Cardinals, Black Monday: Gannon fired, Michael Wilson as fantasy breakout
• 25:37–29:52 – MVP debate: Stafford vs. Drake May
• 29:56–33:08 – Ranking tight ends for next year
• 35:20–38:48 – Giants upset, Jaxson Dart’s QB emergence
• 39:07–41:18 – Patriots backfield, Stevenson vs. Travion
• 41:18–44:14 – Black Monday, coaching carousel, fantasy impacts
• 46:10–51:53 – Weekend Warriors segment: Unsung fantasy heroes of Week 18
• 53:50–55:42 – Back to the Futures: Super Bowl and playoff bets
• 55:42–End – Humorous plans for watching Star Wars/Godfather 2, show close

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Weekend Warriors: Fantasy MVPs of Week 18 (46:10–51:53)

• Trevor Lawrence and Parker Washington (Jags):
  • “Trevor Lawrence was in fact a daddy...No quarterback had more games of 17 or more fantasy points than Trevor Lawrence.” – Matthew Berry (47:07)
• Parker Washington surprises as Jags’ top WR in targets, receptions, yards
• Ray Davis, Chase Brown, Justin Jefferson, Tank Bigsby: Notable performances and role discussions
• Alec Pierce’s ejection and ref drama—a “horrible, bad year for the refs.”

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Back to the Futures: Playoff & Super Bowl Bets (53:50–55:42)

• Jay: Seahawks over Jags in Super Bowl (+2800)
• Connor: Jags to win AFC (+550)
• Matthew: Eagles to win NFC (+475)
• Laughter as Jay’s “curse” is acknowledged, with playful barbs about playoff bar plans and movie homework.

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Takeaways in Original Tone

• The show blends in-depth fantasy football insight with playful banter—be it about Star Wars, legendary running backs, or the nature of MVP voting.
• Matthew Berry’s hallmark is keeping things both authoritative and accessible, with sharp clarity around fantasy takeaways and plenty of dry humor.
• “Weekend Warriors” proves especially useful for fantasy managers seeking waiver and dynasty clues from unsung heroes.
• The episode provides actionable player analysis for 2026 leagues, immediate reactions to coaching changes, and regular fantasy advice rooted in humor and candor.

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Summary prepared for listeners wanting a full, vivid recap and the pulse of fantasy football’s top stories—without the ads or small talk.

Transcript

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[Jay]

We're AFC north champions and that sounds good and it feels good. But we didn't come here for that. We came here for what lies ahead. And so excited about that. Thankful.

[Connor Rogers]

How can you put into words just the thin line between they make that kick, season's over, comes to a screeching halt and missing that kick and the winner going on.

[Jay]

You know how it is. If my aunt had male parts, she'd be my uncle.

[Matthew Berry]

Fantasy Football Happy Hour with Matthew Berry.

[Connor Rogers]

Welcome to the Fantasy Football Happy Hour. One of the great characters in the National Football League, Mike Tomlin said it best. There's no better way to answer that. Yeah, no apologies.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah, actually I'd push back against Mike Tomlin. Not the part about his uncle, but I would push back against the idea that they're not just playing for the AFC North. I reckon they were too much. Exactly what they were season.

[Matthew Berry]

The season rolls on and they get a chance to get their ass kicked by the Texans.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah I was. I was there for that. It's been a. The game was crazy. My travel was crazy. Good to be back here guys with you. Not no longer from a bunker but here I am.

[Connor Rogers]

Can't tell if this a hologram or not.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, exactly right. You know Connor Rogers, you are my only fan. It's a Star wars reference. I didn't know if he caught that. You know he like that. I know you.

[Connor Rogers]

Star Trek, Star wars, all the movies you name. Yeah, never seen any of it. I don't consume media hold on, wait.

[Matthew Berry]

Hang on, hang on. Now I'm gonna. We have a huge show. You've never seen Star Wars?

[Connor Rogers]

I've seen like one of them when I was a kid. Just there's like nothing, Nothing there for me.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, I just would like to take. Give me a minute here. Give me a minute of America. Jay. Jay Croucher, I want to look you in the eyes right now, and I just want to say to you right now in front of America, I apologize. I apologize to you genuinely from the bottom of my heart because I have to tell you something.

[Jay Croucher]

To me or American no, to you.

[Matthew Berry]

I'm apologizing genuinely to you.

[Jay Croucher]

Sure.

[Matthew Berry]

Because when you said Magnolia was your favorite movie of all time, I thought, well, we're never gonna have a movie take worse than that on the show.

[Connor Rogers]

I didn't say it's bad, but now we have. But I don't say it's bad.

[Matthew Berry]

You haven't seen it. How are you a red blooded American male?

[Connor Rogers]

And there's six of them.

[Matthew Berry]

How are you a red blooded American male? And you've never seen Star Wars? The original trilogy?

[Connor Rogers]

Yes.

[Matthew Berry]

There's actually nine of them, but whatever.

[Connor Rogers]

It's ridiculous.

[Matthew Berry]

Have you not seen the. Have you not seen Star Wars A New Hope?

[Connor Rogers]

No. I would say the Godfather 1 and 2 is more important than all nine of the star Wars.

[Matthew Berry]

I actually disagree with that. How have you not seen Star Wars?

[Jay Croucher]

It's funny. If you were to choose one, if you had to bet your life, just pick a random person who's over the age of 25, what's a movie that you've seen? And if you guess wrong, you're dead. You'd probably pick Star Wars. Yes, I think.

[Connor Rogers]

Yes.

[Matthew Berry]

How have you avoided Star Wars?

[Jay Croucher]

Or like Shawshank Redemption would be like the next.

[Connor Rogers]

No, I would say Forrest Gump.

[Jay Croucher]

Forrest Gump would be the next one.

[Connor Rogers]

More people have seen Forrest Gump.

[Jay Croucher]

The thing is that Star wars you can watch when you're a kid as well. Like you're not watching Shawshank when you not.

[Matthew Berry]

So it's. It's Star Wars. Not only can you watch at any age.

[Connor Rogers]

Kj I asked if I've seen the Lion King. Yes, I've seen the Lion King. Yeah, It's a better answer. I find your lack of three very popular.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Connor Rogers]

There's too many. I'm overwhelmed by nine star. Where do you even begin?

[Matthew Berry]

Start with just the core three, the original three that have been around since the 70s. That's the other port. Is that longevity, like how you have not stumbled upon it at some point, like it's a coming of age thing or even just like my kids have watched it just because like, you know, they're like, well, I got to figure out what this is about.

[Connor Rogers]

I have some support in the chat. Cobra Kiger, me and you against the world. Cobra Kiger. I agree. Cobra Kai, I don't have a lot of support.

[Matthew Berry]

Not much. Tell me how you're never going to be on a Regulus power rankings again without telling me you're never going to be on a Regulus power ranking again. It's outrageous. We've now derailed the show.

[Connor Rogers]

That was a mistake.

[Matthew Berry]

Thank you. Sam Oshino says I love Connor Rogers as much as the next objectively terrible take. Thank you.

[Connor Rogers]

I don't even disagree. I just haven't seen them.

[Jay Croucher]

I would say my blame my parents.

[Connor Rogers]

I don't know.

[Jay Croucher]

My hot take on the first one, episode four, is that maybe it's not a hot take, but the start of the movie sucks. It's just C3PO and R2D2 in the desert for like 30 minutes. Like it's just, it goes forever.

[Matthew Berry]

It's not 30 minutes but it takes a little while to get going because that was in the 70s when I.

[Jay Croucher]

Mean we had more patience.

[Matthew Berry]

We weren't all tiktoked out of our minds and people could sit there still for two and a half hours and watch something for a long time. Listen, listen. The I will sit here and tell you the dialogue isn't good, the action, the, the acting is not good. It starts slow and yet it is one of the greatest movies of all time. And you know, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca. You've heard of these names?

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah, no, like I said, I've seen one of them when I was a kid. But it's like, doesn't mean anything to me. I couldn't tell you. It had to be like somewhere in like the late 90s, early 2000s.

[Matthew Berry]

Brian Hickman 3612 Todd Zeal watches the Star wars movies.

[Jay Croucher]

Just saying.

[Matthew Berry]

Absolutely. I'm sure he does.

[Connor Rogers]

Because he's older than me.

[Matthew Berry]

Because he's an American hero. Because he's a goddamn American hero is what he is. Todd Zeal, he's a two time Emmy winner, you know, and when that's how you become an Emmy winner is you find yourself knowledgeable about, you know, batted.

[Jay Croucher]

190 in the playoffs in 2000.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, doesn't matter.

[Connor Rogers]

Everyone's just asking like what movies I've seen, like someone's like, have I seen Rocky? I've seen all the RO.

[Matthew Berry]

That you've never seen the most famous movie. I've never seen.

[Connor Rogers]

Most popular. Notable.

[Matthew Berry]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Jay Croucher]

So I hadn't seen, like, Titanic until, like, five years ago.

[Connor Rogers]

Wow. That's probably shocking for you.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, I've never. I've never seen Godfather 2. I've seen the first. I've seen the first one. I've seen Godfather 1, but I just. Whatever he never got around to.

[Connor Rogers]

That's a good answer.

[Jay Croucher]

Screenwriter in Hollywood. Yeah. Objectively. And I'm the one. Greatest movies of all time.

[Connor Rogers]

I'm the asshole on this test because I haven't seen nine stars.

[Matthew Berry]

Apologize. I don't claim that. That's a good take, though. I like. Even when I spoiled Fredo on the boat.

[Jay Croucher]

You didn't know what that means?

[Matthew Berry]

No.

[Connor Rogers]

You actually spoiled, too.

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I'm not.

[Matthew Berry]

I mean, came out of 1974. No, I'm not. I'm not mad at it either. I'm not mad at either.

[Jay Croucher]

You don't know.

[Connor Rogers]

I know it was you.

[Jay Croucher]

Freighter.

[Matthew Berry]

You don't know. I know that. I know. I know there's enough quotes, like, enough Godfather quotes, like, you know, mo Green in the eye and the whole stuff. Like, I know some of that. Like, I know enough like, pop culture. But I don't think maybe I have. No, I actually don't think I've ever seen Godfather 2. I know I've seen Godfather 1 once. Like, but, like, when I was. You probably remembered 40 years ago, 10.

[Jay Croucher]

Greatest movies of all time.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah.

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I mean.

[Matthew Berry]

Anyway, you should go home and watch it. Maybe I will. Yeah. I'll do a book report on it.

[Connor Rogers]

I have nine movies.

[Matthew Berry]

You have nine movies to watch. I'm owning it, though. I mean, like, I. I completely agree. That's a missing. You asked me what's the most famous.

[Jay Croucher]

It's like killing a man and saying, yeah, I'm owning it. I killed him.

[Matthew Berry]

Doesn't make it right.

[Connor Rogers]

I won't be Trapp in court. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Berry]

But it's an older movie. It's an older movie, but I would. I've seen a lot of movies.

[Connor Rogers]

I just haven't watched all nine of the Star wars movies.

[Matthew Berry]

I would argue, though, Star wars, because of its cultural significance, no question, Godfather, the Godfather series, is widely considered, like, one, you know, one of the, if not the greatest, American trilogy of all time. I'm with you. And especially the first two movies. Right. But Star Wars. Star wars is just like. I just. I feel like that Touches everybody. Like, I don't know. I just feel like that's a bigger. Like.

[Connor Rogers]

I'll answer that in due time.

[Matthew Berry]

I'll just tell you this. You go to a theme park, there's no Godfatherland, but there's.

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It should be.

[Connor Rogers]

It'd be a lot more fun walking around with a Tommy gun in the streets. All right. Anyways, we have football to talk about somehow. It's 1207. It's a new record for us.

[Matthew Berry]

It is. I'm sorry, it's whatever. It's the Monday after. Like, whatever.

[Connor Rogers]

We got weekend warriors, we got back to the futures on a Monday. A little plot twist there. Before we do anything, though, Tyler Loupe drinks for free today.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, you know what? 100% Tyler Loop drinks for free now. I don't think he can drink in Baltimore, so, you know, like, absolutely. Stuntman Chuck. Yeah, he needs it. Like, I just. We'll get to that game. I guess. We are going to get to that game right now, right? Okay, so here's the thing. Kid missed a bad kick, right? We get to the rotor world player in a minute. His 44 yard field goal centered up perfectly.

[Jay Croucher]

Good snap.

[Matthew Berry]

It's a good snap. It's a kick you got to make. Your professional kicker in the NFL, Ravens, they expect you to make that kick. You got to make that kick.

[Connor Rogers]

He hadn't missed that kick all year. I mean, every kick inside the inside 50 yards.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah. But the two things I will say here is that Acrisure Stadium is known for a couple of things. Small minded, fat security guards, and slightly.

[Connor Rogers]

Never let that go.

[Matthew Berry]

Slightly. Well, slightly less known is this. It's a really hard stadium to kick in. Chris Boswell is widely considered one of the best kickers, if not the best kicker in the NFL. And that same night. And he's kicked in that stadium for years and years and years. He's a veteran. And that same night, literally two minutes prior, he misses an extra point, an even easier kick. And this is Chris Boswell. Because you know why? That stadium is a weird, hard stadium to kick in. And so I'm not saying it excuses the mission. The kid missed a kick. It's a bad play. He missed the kick. But I'm just saying, like, you know, people are like, ravens fans are actually going to Tyler Loop's girlfriend's Instagram and mfing her.

[Connor Rogers]

And him that's just laughing and you're.

[Matthew Berry]

Like, stop it, stop it. The kid sat in front of the press. He answered every question like, what do.

[Connor Rogers]

You want the guy he had a great rookie year. He missed the kick.

[Matthew Berry]

He missed a kick. He missed a kick. And oh, by the way, maybe how about your defense not give up a game winning drive twice in a row and it comes. How might I make it down to that? How about Lamar Jackson not being, you know, fairly pedestrian for the first half?

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah.

[Matthew Berry]

How about we putting up more than 10 points in the first half?

[Sponsor/Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Jay Croucher]

How about on the second until we line up on the line of scrimmage and don't take that, that penalty that pushed them back five yards and they need a miracle twice, they're likely to even get the kick in the first place. Also, why are we kneeling and going back two yards?

[Connor Rogers]

So that's the one that I. They had 14 seconds. They had a timeout.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah. Run.

[Jay Croucher]

Apply. Run Derrick Henry up the gets into.

[Connor Rogers]

The end zone, you surrender 2 to 3 yards. The worst case, you just stopped at the line of scrimmage.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah, I get that.

[Connor Rogers]

And I guess he still misses the kick anyway. But the whole process to get there was a little.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, I mean, I guess the only argument there is if you take, if you know, does Lamar get sacked? Does he throw a pick or anything like that? You're in makeable field goal range. Does Derek Henry fall? Does the fumble, does the fumble issuing come up run like this. I understand, I'm just, I'm just saying, like, I understand that criticism that they could have gotten five more yards or whatever.

[Connor Rogers]

It's a little Monday morning quarterback you.

[Matthew Berry]

Expect, especially given the fact that that kid's never missed that kick before, that you just, it's 44 yards. You expect the kid to be able to make the kick. And so. But my point is, is like anyway, you know, it feel bad for Tyra Loup, bad play. He missed a kick that he should have made. But that loss is not entirely on Tyler Loupe. Like there's a lot of other Ravens that Shirley's, Ben Johnson, between the Priest blessing the end zone and Jay having a championship bet, that kid had no chance. That's fair. He was trying to overcome both the Priest and the aggressive Jay.

[Jay Croucher]

Oh, the Ravens win the Super Bowl.

[Connor Rogers]

Oh, yeah, we talked about that. Yeah.

[Jay Croucher]

To be fair. So I had some Steelers to win the division and the Ravens are big bet to win the Super Bowl. And so the only bad outcome for me was the Ravens limping through and all of their players getting hurt as they won the division to get eliminated. And that's what it looked like it was going to happen because Kyle Hamilton gets knocked out. Everyone goes down. The Ravens aren't that good. They just like the pass defense is just untenable. They haven't had a pass rush since like Elvis Dumaville. Like where are the pass rushes in Baltimore? They couldn't get any pressure.

[Connor Rogers]

That's what sunk them this year.

[Jay Croucher]

It's just not a good. It's not a great.

[Matthew Berry]

And they're secondary. They're getting burned by Calvin Austin and Adam Thielen.

[Connor Rogers]

When Kyle Hamilton came out of the game in the second half, it was jarring how much it changed. One guy and he's great player, but it was like the boat sank immediately.

[Matthew Berry]

You're just like.

[Connor Rogers]

It's like for one Kyle Hamilton injury away from death.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah. I would argue that Hamilton, I mean outside of like Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons, Kyle Hamilton might be worth more to his defense than any player is to any team. Because you can see as soon as he came out like really fell apart.

[Matthew Berry]

Certainly up there completely for everything. I mean, unbelievable. I mean Adam, listen, I'm glad my bet cashed. You know, I had a. I had a. Only the Derek Henry anytime touchdown didn't cash. But Henry over the rushing yards. But Adam Thielen over on the receiving yards cashed. It was 18 and a half and obviously cashed significantly. I thought they would just do a bunch of dink and dunk stuff which is what ended up happening. But like the fact that they couldn't guard Adam Thielen, you know, bones of dust, Adam Thielen.

[Jay Croucher]

Calvin Austin's getting open winning touchdowns. Yeah.

[Matthew Berry]

I mean Friar moves everything right.

[Connor Rogers]

All these forgotten characters.

[Jay Croucher]

The sad thing is is that Lamar looked great when he was given the chance. That's the most Lamar esque he's looked since like week one for sure. The. The bomb touchdown. Obviously he's the. He's basically the only guy in the league outside of Josh Allen who can make that play. So a shame that his two defenders.

[Matthew Berry]

And get, you know, and Zay Flowers the first touchdown you're talking about.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Jay Croucher]

But I think the Steelers deserve to win that game. Time thought that was a better time.

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah, it totally changed in the second half and at the end of the day they got it done. Yeah, I agree with you just the way they played on the line of scrimmage. The actual fantasy takeaways here. I mean is Kenneth Gainwell now on the radar for next year?

[Matthew Berry]

I think, I think he has to be. Obviously depends on what the quarterback situation is. I think. You know, I mean he definitely benefited from Aaron Rodgers. I believe his average up to target was 0.5. You know, it seemed like it. I mean, like, he definitely benefited from a, you know, a quarterback that liked to dump it off a little bit. But, like, I feel like Kenneth Gainwell, maybe it's because of the way he came in the league, maybe it's because of the way that Philadelphia used him, but I just feel like I feel the same way about Kenneth Gainwell that I feel about, like, Parker Washington, weirdly enough, which is just like, he's just a good football player. Like, we have to change our perception of him. He's a good football player. He just, when he's gotten the ball in his hand, he makes plays. You know what I mean? And I don't think it, you know, at first I thought it was a little PPR scammy and it's like sort of Arthur Smith and it's just, you know, Rodgers doing noodle arm stuff. But the more I just watch him, I just. I think he's a good football player. This is a guy that, Listen, he's. It's PPR only, I think, but this is a guy that was a top 20 fantasy running back in PPR formats, top 5among running backs in targets, receptions, and receiving yards. Guys like, you know what I mean? Again, depends on. I assume Arthur Smith is back next year and we'll see who their quarterback is. We'll see if Rodgers comes back or not. But yeah, I think Kenneth Gainwell is a, you know, if I had to rank it today, I think he's a top. He's a top 30 running back in PPR formats next year.

[Connor Rogers]

Jay, sometimes producer Steven or producer Pete or producer Adam, they'll write like, interesting questions in the rundown and I'll decipher, you know what. Should we go through this one, though? I feel like I'm forced to ask you. It says, when will Father Time finally catch up to Derek Henry?

[Jay Croucher]

So what is he, 32?

[Matthew Berry]

32 yesterday.

[Connor Rogers]

He could be 45, and I don't care.

[Matthew Berry]

His birthday was yesterday.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah, I guess the thing is, obviously he's completely unprecedented in the history of the NFL, where he's still behaving like a top five running back in the, in the league at this point of his career. I think that he is such an absurd physical specimen that we just have to assume that the laws of science don't apply to him.

[Matthew Berry]

Now.

[Jay Croucher]

He has to slow down at some point, but I'm just willing to accept that we need to see that before we project it, because we've been projecting it. He broke his foot in like 20, 21. And then everyone was like, all right, well this is going to be the point at which he falls off. This is 2026. This is five years later and he's still doing this. He single handedly beat the packers last week and he was the entire offense in the first half year. So, yeah, I think that each year the risk, it has to go up a little bit. That's how aging works. But he may just not be normal.

[Matthew Berry]

It's, it's. I don't think there's a maybe about it. He's clearly not normal.

[Connor Rogers]

Right.

[Matthew Berry]

But you know, it's interesting. Before the game I was on the field when I barely made it there. We'll get to that in a second here.

[Connor Rogers]

But security again?

[Matthew Berry]

No, no, no. I just know my travel will finish up there. I'm just playing my travel. But, but real quickly, we, I was talking, I was talking with like the head trainer. I ran to my. Had a conversation with the head trainer of the Ravens and we were just talking about Derek Henry's longevity and he just said, you know, he's been in the NFL for a long time. He's just never seen somebody that takes care of his body, that takes workouts seriously, that takes, that understands what it means to be a professional football player in terms of, you know, in terms of leg, like he never misses a workout. He's constantly asking the trainer to push him, you know, during workouts. In terms of, you know, whether it's leg day or arm day or whatever. Like it just, you know, just like he's got. Derek Henry has taken care of his body down to a science. Like his specific body. Like I said to him, I said, you know, what's incredible is not just the longevity, but the longevity specific to his body type.

[Connor Rogers]

Right.

[Matthew Berry]

Because I said, this is going to sound random, but remember Brandon Jacobs, who I felt like is a similar body type. He was just this huge, massive human being and he was good for like three years, but then he just broke up.

[Connor Rogers]

Because when you're that big, you're naturally an upright runner. So your strike zone is big, bigger, and just you take tougher shots. It's not like, you know, like, look at how low to the ground like a Chan is or Kyron Williams. Like, it's a different strike zone when you're that tall. You can get teed off on it. The knees, the waist, the hips.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah.

[Connor Rogers]

So that's why taller backs don't age gracefully.

[Matthew Berry]

Correct. That's what I'm saying is like, you know, or you think about some of those scat backs. Like, you know, I remember like older references you may not get, but I remember Tony Dorsett saying like he never once got hit straight on that. Like one of the reasons why Tony Dorsett had such a great.

[Jay Croucher]

Tony Dorset was in Return of the Jedi.

[Matthew Berry]

Yes, he was.

[Jay Croucher]

Yes, he was.

[Matthew Berry]

He was the bad guy. Cobra Kiger, first off, you're dead to me. After signing with very alive. Someone else can answer this question. I'm not answering right here.

[Jay Croucher]

Between first round PPR draft pick next year. No, I don't think so. Just because of the lack of receiving and the fact that he'll be 33 years old.

[Connor Rogers]

So we have to do it. Don't do it.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to acknowledge Cobra Kiger, but I do agree with you, Jay, just in.

[Jay Croucher]

General, it's not a reflection on him falling off a cliff. It wasn't a first time drop it going into this year either.

[Matthew Berry]

And it's a reflection of him siding with Conor that it's okay that he hasn't seen Star Wars.

[Jay Croucher]

Indeed.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah.

[Connor Rogers]

All right, let's go to the next game. Unless you have something else. Oh, yes, you're just travel just very quickly.

[Matthew Berry]

Like here's what I this is how much you guys all mean to me, what I have gone through to be here today. So Saturday I was in Florida, as you guys know. I flew from Florida Saturday night to NYC. He didn't get in until 3am because the flight was delayed. Then from then the next morning, here for 9am for football.

[Connor Rogers]

Made you this.

[Matthew Berry]

They made me this. Yes. It went a little faster than I was able to talk, to be honest with you. But basically I flew from Florida to New York, New York, drove to Stanford, Stanford, did the show after the show yesterday, flew to Pittsburgh, did the show 5:45am work wake up call this morning, back here to do the show today. So Florida to New York, New York to Stanford. Stanford to New York, New York to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh to New York, New York to Stanford. And then tonight I will be sleeping. Well, I'll sleep probably at like 2:30 berks and flannels.

[Connor Rogers]

2:30 in the afternoon.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah, yeah. Half hour after this, I'll be. Yeah. Thousand percent. I'm exhausted. I'm on like two hours of sleep.

[Connor Rogers]

Just power through. You're gonna ruin your sleep cycle. Berkshin Flannels. Barry knows things about taking care of his body and being a physical specimen.

[Matthew Berry]

That's a thousand %, right? Yeah, 100%. I'm.

[Jay Croucher]

25. Like a car powered by chicken.

[Matthew Berry]

Tenders.

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. Same as premium.

[Matthew Berry]

Gasoline. Oh.

[Connor Rogers]

God. All right, our next game, Arizona against the Rams. Surprisingly competitive for at least three quarters of it. It felt like. But Matthew Stafford, you see him and Puka Nakua along top the fantasy board. Jad, I know you have some feelings on the MVP race. We could stop here and do that now if you.

[Jay Croucher]

Want. I just want to say before we get to the MVP race, Puka Nakua has had like 120 yards stolen from him in the past two games. He keeps having these 40 yard touchdown bombs stripped away from him. He's absolutely out of his mind. This year he also missed two games. If Nakur had stayed healthy and only got screwed by the refs, and then some of these penalties were penalties. He could have flirted with 2,000 yards. The man's an absolute machine.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah. Meanwhile, by the way, he made a ridiculous catch in the end zone. Everyone was like, oh, yeah, that's like. It's like the seventh.

[Connor Rogers]

Different. Yeah, we're immune to his greatness. Some breaking news here. The Arizona Cardinals are firing coach Jonathan Gannon. Sources say endless losses to finish an injury riddled season spelled the end of Gannon, who should be a top tier defensive coordinator candidate.

[Matthew Berry]

Now. Okay. All right. Well, added to the list, they call it Black Monday. And so it's. I believe it is now the fourth coach that.

[Connor Rogers]

Has Pete Carroll, Raheem.

[Matthew Berry]

Morris. Right. And now Jonathan.

[Connor Rogers]

Gannon. We'll go through.

[Matthew Berry]

All. We'll go through all those games a little bit later as.

[Connor Rogers]

Well. So hopefully an offensive bump for this Arizona team that will presumably have a new starting quarterback next.

[Matthew Berry]

Year. But maybe.

[Connor Rogers]

Michael. Michael Wilson. I mean, I would buy into Michael Wilson next year. Like, I wouldn't think this is fluky. I guess there's the Marv dynamic.

[Matthew Berry]

There. There's.

[Connor Rogers]

So. Well, there's a lot. So the garbage time problem, I.

[Jay Croucher]

Think he's going to be the Juwan Jennings that we wanted Juwan Jennings to be. Where last year, Jennings really kind of breaks out and he's been banged up and he's had some tough moments with his route running this year. But Michael Wilson, I mean, just the plays that he's making, next level plays, he lit up the Rams defense. The Rams have an elite top seven defense and he carved them.

[Matthew Berry]

Up. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, so five for 99, the touchdown and his second matchup with the Rams. And he had like 140 yards the last time he played the Rams. Right. So the positives are the five games that Harrison Jr. Missed this year, 26 fantasy points per game, 119 yards per game, 32% target share. The other problem though is as we talk about, targets are earned, right? And so in the games with Harrison, active single digit fantasy points in 10 of 12 games, just a 14% target share. Now is that a function of he just wasn't getting open or just the way the offense is designed, that it was going to McBride and Harrison. The other question is, is there's so much unknown, right? Because so much all this production was with Jacoby Brissette. If there's a new quarterback. I sort of think about Brian Thomas last year and obviously Thomas profiled as a much higher prospect, much more talented prospect than, than Michael Wilson. But still, you know, Brian Thomas Jr. Had this unbelievable run with mostly Mac Jones last year, drafted high. And then Trevor Lawrence comes in and for whatever reason they can't seem to get on the same page this year. Coaching change as well. So now there's going to be a coaching change. We would assume that whoever the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals is, they're going to bring in their new, their own offense coordinator. So you would assume Drew Petzig. Drew Petzig is going to be looking for a job. Right. Just by nature of the fact that, you know, Gannon has been fired. So they figure they clean house with the staff and so in a new offense with a new coach and probably potentially a new quarterback, you know, there's a chance, we talked about that maybe they take a day two or day three projects and they keep Brissette there as kind of a bridge. But so there's just so much that's going to be unknown about Michael Wilson. I do, I'm with you. I think he's talented. I don't know if he's this talented, but I think that he's. Juan Jennings is probably a pretty good comp. Like I think he's like a wide receiver 3 Juwan Jennings, from a fantasy football point of view, like he's like a wide receiver.

[Connor Rogers]

3Ish. When Jennings got over like 7 different injuries this year, he was good again. So I think when you look.

[Jay Croucher]

At from that perspective, he's also Michael Wilson is like, he's like Austin Reaves where whenever Luka Doncic sits a game then Austin Reeves is going to give you 35. Like he can scale up his role where he can take on a wide receiver workload. Wide one.

[Connor Rogers]

Workload. That was Alexander Madison for a long time. Yeah, he was like, oh, we got A Madison Week. He's RB1 when any other week you could not play.

[Matthew Berry]

Him. No. That's a really good comp. And Connor, you miss it on fantasy football pregame Sunday morning. But one of the things we talked about was sort of like, biggest surprise, and for me, my biggest surprise was Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson, basically. I mean, he had five huge. Five games, right. But he finishes his wide receiver 16 on a fantasy points per game. Over a thousand yards, seven touchdowns. He finished with a higher fantasy points per game than Justin Jefferson, Brian Thomas, Ladd McConkey, Jalen Waddle, Cortland Sutton. I mean, like, all these guys. Like, he had more fantasy points than CD Lamb. Like, I just. I mean, it's. And he did that basically in, you know, a handful of games here. Jay, I am curious about your. Your thoughts on the MVP race. I got into an argument. I saw it with Jason.

[Jay Croucher]

Garrett. That's on your.

[Matthew Berry]

Side. Thank you very much. I got into an argument with Jason Garrett, by the way, Jason Garrett gets into an argument with no one. He is literally the. He is the nicest person on the.

[Connor Rogers]

Planet. And he can piss off.

[Matthew Berry]

Anyone. I really can.

[Connor Rogers]

I'm. I do have that ability. Let's test the scale. So we got past Jason Garrett. Who's the next nicest person that you could piss.

[Matthew Berry]

Off? Come here, Mother.

[Connor Rogers]

Teresa. We start bringing in.

[Matthew Berry]

Priests. Yeah.

[Connor Rogers]

Exactly. Pope is a guest on the.

[Matthew Berry]

Show. Exactly. Pope Leo. He's a Bears fan. Right. So Jason Garrett, so super a the nicest guy in the world. And also, by the way, tends not to get into arguments on air. That's not his on air Persona. Right. But the conversation came up about MVP last night on the Football Night in America pod. Did they put out the clip socially? Is that where you saw.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

It? I saw it on.

[Matthew Berry]

YouTube. Okay, then I'll have to check that out. You guys can go search for it as well. You're watching on YouTube right.

[Jay Croucher]

Now. You lived.

[Matthew Berry]

It. I lived it. But in essence, basically the conversation was around who is the mvp. I took Drake May. He took Matthew Stafford. And one of the arguments that I made for Drake May is that I think he is the most. You know, again, it all depends on how you define the award. But I said he is the most valuable to his team of the people. Jason Garrett's take is that he's basically like, wait a minute, you don't think Matthew Stafford is valuable to the Rams? Like, you don't, you know, and he's had an unbelievable year. And I said, very valuable to the Rams. He's had a great year. But my argument back to him was in essence that if you took Stafford off the Rams and you took Mayoff, the Patriots, the Patriots fall further down. The Patriots quarterback by Josh Dobbs are a much worse team than the Rams quarterback by Jimmy Garoppolo. That Stafford, for all his brilliance and he is brilliant, he deserves the second place in the MVP. He's thrown a pukinaku in Devonte Adams with Sean McVay as his coach. Drake May's out here with Matt Collins and Demario.

[Jay Croucher]

Douglas. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree with all that. The one thing I would say about the MVP is that a lot of people are throwing Drake May's numbers out in his numerical advantage over Stafford. And May lead Stafford in basically every stat outside of passing touchdowns. A lot of those have been inside near the goal line for Stafford and passing yards. And they're throwing the numbers out because May had an easier strength of schedule. May had an easier strength of schedule in terms of the teams that he played. He did not have an easier strength of schedule in terms of the past defenses that he played. Right. So May had to play the Cleveland Browns. Stafford played the Niners twice. The Niners are a much better team than the Cleveland Browns. Who has a better defense? The Browns do. And so when you look at their opposing past defenses like by EPA against May had the 20th hardest schedule and Stafford had the 17th. So it's just not an argument. And people who are making that argument, they're just not looking closely enough into the numbers. So I think once you adjust for all that, I think Drake May is the mvp. I don't think Stafford would be a travesty. But I just worry, I think that people are getting very caught up in strength of schedule and just pure passing touchdown numbers and not looking deeper into it than.

[Matthew Berry]

That. And he after the after sort of padding his stats against Arizona, he's now the betting favorite.

[Connor Rogers]

Right? Yeah. But the problem with that is Drake May did that to the jets last week. This is the problem with the week to week conversation. Like the stat conversation is just which probably favors your Drake May point point overall because Stafford has more passing touchdowns. But like the week to week of this all is idiotic because Drake May is playing a JV jets team and they're throwing the ball non stop and then Stafford plays an Arizona team. So it's very.

[Jay Croucher]

Tricky. It's so stupid because like the Patriots got inside the five like four times yesterday and each time they ran it in for a touchdown with Trayvon Or Ramandre. Like if they checked into passing plays and thrown touchdowns on three of those four, then Drake may probably just wins.

[Connor Rogers]

Mvp. Then the award's flawed. That's a horrible, like that's it. That's horrific logic for the award. But the problem is there probably are a lot of voters that go by exactly what you guys are just breaking.

[Matthew Berry]

Down. No, it's awful. The, the only true award is comeback player of the year. That's the.

[Connor Rogers]

One. I.

[Matthew Berry]

Agree. That's the one where they get it.

[Connor Rogers]

Right. It's done with pride, honor, a real analytical.

[Matthew Berry]

System. Absolutely. They really study the voters for the other awards. Just kind of like ah, hey kid, who do you want? Yeah, they asked their children to pick a checkpoint but at least come back player of the year they take.

[Connor Rogers]

Seriously. Yeah, that's my award for.

[Jay Croucher]

Sure. Christian McCaffrey to be clear. No surprises.

[Connor Rogers]

There. Yeah, you never know. We got Bears, Lions on the screen so I guess we're going to go with that right now. How many tight ends are you drafting ahead of Colson Loveland next year, Matthew? I mean obviously the 25 plus point performance yesterday but he's been really good the second half of the.

[Matthew Berry]

Season. He's been really.

[Connor Rogers]

Good. We say it all the time, we want shares of Ben Johnson's skill talent next.

[Matthew Berry]

Year. Yeah, I mean I McBride, it's.

[Connor Rogers]

Probably like what McBride and Bowers, we can get the two easy ones out of the.

[Matthew Berry]

Way. I probably still. I mean I want to know who the. I want to see if Daniel Jones but I probably taken Warren over him. I know Warren dropped off towards the, towards the end of the.

[Sponsor/Commercial Voice]

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[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. When they were playing like 44 year old Philip Rivers.

[Matthew Berry]

Right. And you know, Ryan.

[Connor Rogers]

Leonard. I'm still high on Warren as.

[Matthew Berry]

Well. I really like, I really like.

[Connor Rogers]

Warren. And then you got Loveland if he's back.

[Matthew Berry]

Healthy. Tuckler. I think I'd probably tuck daddy. But yeah, I mean but like it's like 5 or 6 fannin maybe Harold.

[Connor Rogers]

Fannin. That's an interesting one. I think I would go Loveland because of faith in the offense over Fannin. Now that's me sitting here saying that and I have no idea who the hell is coaching the Browns. No idea who's playing.

[Matthew Berry]

Quarterback. Exactly. So. But you know Fannin's in that conversation as well. Kittle, you know I take Kittle ahead of him.

[Jay Croucher]

Still. But jury's still out on Caleb. Caleb had a good year of development. We're not sure that he's going to be an elite passer.

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. I'm pretty excited about.

[Jay Croucher]

Him. Yeah, I think he will be great and I would be invested in Caleb and he should deliver. But we haven't seen him play it, you know, getting to a top five in the MVP.

[Matthew Berry]

Ballot. But he. But like Loveland's in the conversation with, you know, he's right there. Next one. I mean, like, I guess, you know, you have to figure somewhat of a bounce back for laporta Aranda Gadson. Is that a conversation based on upside? Yeah, based on upside. Depending. I mean assuming Kenan Allen moves on and like you know, and you know that, you know, I mean Dolphins.

[Connor Rogers]

Sign Isaiah likely he's top seven tight end fantasy. I mean.

[Matthew Berry]

Chiefs. The Chiefs have been rumored for to be in on Isaiah likely. God help us. But Kyle Pitts is on that conversation. Kyle Pitts is the second most tight end of fantasy this.

[Connor Rogers]

Year. But I.

[Matthew Berry]

Know. No, I.

[Jay Croucher]

Know. But we changed the scoring system if.

[Matthew Berry]

That'S. But at some point you have to be like, you know what? All right. Anyway, so. But the point is we're going to be very high on Colson Loveland next year. We're going to be very high on this Bears offense and Ben Johnson especially because it feels like whether they move on from Cole Comet or they just use him as a blocker, like Loveland's going to be a featured part of this.

[Connor Rogers]

Offense. All right, we got a question here from Ved, of course, an FFHH regular rank these tight ends in draft ADP next year. Loveland, Warren and.

[Matthew Berry]

Fannin. Assuming that I have to do it as it stands today. So, you know, again, we don't know who Fannin's quarterback.

[Connor Rogers]

Is. We never said.

[Matthew Berry]

Kittle. Yeah, no, I.

[Connor Rogers]

Said. You didn't.

[Matthew Berry]

Say. I said Kettle. Yeah, I said Kittle. I think I'm going Warren, Loveland and Fannin. But it's. That would be my order. But it's close. Yeah, it's close. I'm assuming Daniel Jones is back next year at the beginning of the year. Yeah, I know. We know Steichen is back. We already, they've already said, you know, confident, you know, Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are returning. So.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah. Yeah. My low key favorite moment of yesterday was as the Lions were driving to win the game, cutting to break and Ben Johnson and mouthing to him just to himself should have gone for it works. They didn't go for the fourth and five on their side of the field, which I like the idea that, you know, he should have. You just go for it on 4th and 5. You're on your own side of the.

[Matthew Berry]

Field. Yeah, I just like the fact that he talks to himself. Yeah, that's totally.

[Connor Rogers]

Normal. A lot of the great coaches are absolutely insane. Brian Hickman, all of these guys are second to Mercedes Lewis. You're someone that gets the.

[Matthew Berry]

Show. Yeah. Brian, Brian. Brian.

[Jay Croucher]

Hickman.

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[Connor Rogers]

Go. A real.

[Matthew Berry]

Regular. Yeah. Our next game, make a note to rank Brian Hickman ahead of Cobra Kiger.

[Connor Rogers]

Friday. I do have a.

[Matthew Berry]

Vote. Just one.

[Connor Rogers]

Though. Just one. I will lose our next game. Big win for the Giants. I know you were fired up.

[Matthew Berry]

Matthew. Oh, yes, the.

[Connor Rogers]

Giants. The Giants could have the number one overall.

[Matthew Berry]

Pick. I lost, by the way. Not only. I was so fired up because I lost money on this. Because we talked about this on Sunday and Jay was just like, how are the Cowboys not favored by more than three? Like, the Cowboys are actually going to play their starters and Giants should actively try to lose this game. And yet they did not. We got Joe.

[Connor Rogers]

Milton. You innocent faulted.

[Sponsor/Commercial Voice]

Jay. Pick up.

[Connor Rogers]

Lines. You never pick me. How's my Bill six and a half line.

[Matthew Berry]

Looking? Pretty.

[Connor Rogers]

Good. Yeah, not bad. Could have gotten offline on.

[Jay Croucher]

That. What do I take? What was my. I took Henry over 92 and a.

[Connor Rogers]

Half. Okay. You were there like halftime.

[Matthew Berry]

Back. Yeah, exactly. I do. And can I tell you.

[Jay Croucher]

Why?

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. He's our betting analyst. But that's pretty.

[Matthew Berry]

Fair. Jay sells it really well. You know, it's about the presentation.

[Jay Croucher]

As opposed to the.

[Connor Rogers]

Substance.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah.

[Matthew Berry]

Even. Even when you're full.

[Connor Rogers]

Of. That's part of the.

[Matthew Berry]

Game. You sell it really well. I gotta give you credit for.

[Connor Rogers]

That. You sell it. You kind of tell it like a mystery, and then it gets to.

[Matthew Berry]

The end and you're like, whoa, I never thought of that.

[Jay Croucher]

Bet. I prepare it like I'm Daniel Craig in Knives Out. That's the kind of vibe I'm going.

[Connor Rogers]

For. I like.

[Matthew Berry]

It. Knives out or Knives Out? Glass.

[Jay Croucher]

Onion. The original Knives Onion. Glass Onion gets a bit weird. Edward Norton's a strange character. It is a.

[Matthew Berry]

Straight. It is a strange. But I think there's a new.

[Jay Croucher]

One. Yeah, the third.

[Matthew Berry]

One. I haven't. I haven't watched that.

[Jay Croucher]

Yet. No, it's.

[Matthew Berry]

Good. I got to do that one. And then Godfather 2.

[Connor Rogers]

Obviously. And then like, of all your spoiling, that's as good as it gets, actually. Spoiling Godfather 2, which is very old.

[Matthew Berry]

Flick. I don't.

[Connor Rogers]

Care. All right, so the bad for the Giants draft position. The good Jackson dart looked awesome this year. One of your best calls of the season, Matthew. You Said when Jackson Dart starts, he'll be at QB1 the rest of the way. He's just played really well and the supporting cast around him, I mean he lifted most of it up around.

[Matthew Berry]

Him. He was fantastic and it didn't matter who else. No Malik Neighbors in this game. No Wandell Robinson either. But you know, ends up with over 20 fantasy points in this one. Finishes as a top 10 fantasy quarterback as well. Like again, 5 for 32 on the ground. Like just gets you points with his legs, get you points with his arms. They're not scared to throw it around. We don't know who their coach is going to be. We do know who their general manager is going to be. And while I'm very excited about the fact that they won this game, congratulations to the G men. Love the fact that you guys are picking fifth. Two weeks ago you had a chance of the number one pick and now you're picking fifth. Love that for you guys. Great. But also that you're keeping Joe Shane. Connor, you're a member of the New York media. You're an Emmy award losing Emmy nominated as well. Yeah, I've heard of Emmy losing, but Emmy losing member of the New.

[Connor Rogers]

York. Did you say two times back to back? Two out of three years. I wasn't nominated in between. Don't give me that much.

[Matthew Berry]

Credit. That's fair enough. Two out of the last three. Your thoughts on Joe Shane retaining his job? They came out earlier today and.

[Connor Rogers]

Said this is a tough one. Right. Because in all serious, like the light side of it is Joe Shane has no business having this job anymore. I don't think it'll limit their coaching search because I know a lot of people are like, why would a coach go work when they have a lame duck gm? And it's a fair question. But the Giants, they have a lot of talent. People love this organization. It's an old school organization that like coaches, people want to coach there. They should get a good head coaching candidate. The more difficult part, Listen, there's.

[Matthew Berry]

Only 32 of those jobs and this job has a.

[Connor Rogers]

Quarterback. Has a quarterback. Abdul Carter played really well the last couple weeks of the season and they got the fifth pitch and they got the fifth pick. So yeah, the tricky part of this situation, and in all seriousness, Joe Shane has no business retaining this job. As you saw yesterday with the game ball, John Maher is going through a serious battle with cancer. And I think they just do not unfortunately feel equipped to run a GM search. And like there's a lot of problems with that side of it, but I think that's ultimately what it comes down to and it's, it's a shame. I hope Joe Shane takes this opportunity and rebounds from it, but I know Giants Fans, I'd say 99.9% of them today are wildly disappointed with this.

[Matthew Berry]

Decision. Yeah, I'm sure I said this before that I thought, I thought they should have. If they were going to keep one of them, I would have kept day ball over Shane because it was day ball that was the one that wanted Jackson Dart, that developed. Jackson Dart doesn't seem to get any credit for.

[Connor Rogers]

That. I know he wanted him in the draft. I'll just never forget the draft video that we have public that says like you were getting your guy. All right, we're going to roll the dice. Like Jackson Dart was like a fifth round flyer.

[Matthew Berry]

Right. It's like what, your first round pick?

[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. And now he's saved his job. In all seriousness. Yep. So Jackson Dart will be very high on the.

[Matthew Berry]

Quarterback. My only other question out of this game, Connor, was, did you see anything from Jaden Blue that. That interests you for next.

[Connor Rogers]

Year? No, I'm not buying into Jaden Blue. I mean, maybe one day as a third down back with change of pace, speed and pass catching. But I think Dallas, they love having a real masher between the tackles. Bring back the Javante Williams or Malik Davis or get another guy. Just the fact that it took this long for them to even want to put him on the field tells you everything that's gone on.

[Matthew Berry]

There. Completely.

[Connor Rogers]

Agree. So, all right, our last game, our next game, guys. New England beats Miami by quite a bit of points here. And I think the real story with New England is which running back is going to have better value next season? Because as amazing as Travion always looks by the eye test, Ramondre Stevenson is not going anywhere right.

[Matthew Berry]

Now. I gotta tell you something. We had Ramondre's jersey on the wall. We took it down. We may have to put it.

[Connor Rogers]

Back. Ever since we took it down.

[Matthew Berry]

Ever since we took it back, it's like, it's like the opposite of Jay. Like you, it's the anti j since over the last four weeks, Ramondre Stevenson's been the third best running back in fantasy football. He's averaging over 22 points per game. He's averaging over 10 yards per touchdown. Not just cheap touchdowns. Like he's catching the ball, he's running the ball. I mean, he, he looked explosive. He looked like the guy from two years ago when, when, when he proudly was on the Wall. Rightfully on the wall.

[Jay Croucher]

Yes. As opposed to just passively staying on the wall because we couldn't have.

[Matthew Berry]

Anyone better because we still haven't gotten a Jackson, Smith and Jigba jersey. Yeah.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah. The thing with Ramondre so early in the season, what created a lot of variance with him is that he kept on fumbling, right. He said the two early fumbles and then it's like, oh, you might be one more fumble away from losing his job for good. I don't think he fumbled the rest the of of the season. So they seem to have faith in him as the vet on this very old school team. Old school evidenced again by the fact that they wouldn't check into pass plays at the goal line to try and get Drake May mvp. Because this organization, this team is about winning the old fashioned way and we'll just run in touchdowns. I think Travon Anderson is still the running back that you want next year over Ramondre just because of the ceiling. Ramondre doesn't really have a ceiling next year because Trayvon is just too good and there's too much of a talent scope there and they spent so much draft equity on Trayvon. But yeah, I suspect that Ramondra isn't going anywhere and he's going to cap the upside of Trayvon if he sticks.

[Matthew Berry]

Around. There's no question about that because I assume that Josh McDaniels is back next year as the coordinator. I could see him, I could see him getting some head coaching looks given how good the offensive look this year. But my assumption is that McDaniels is back next year with the Patriots. And if you think about Josh McDaniels first stint with the Patriots, he always used multiple running backs. Like this is, this is somebody that has generally used most multiple running backs when he's been a coach and so. And it's working for them like they're, they're. By using Ramondre they're able to use Trayvon the way they want to. They don't care about our fantasy football needs. Like the running game has been very effective for New England this year. So I don't, unfortunately for us, I don't see that changing anytime soon. I agree with you. I think it's Trayvon over Ramondre next year in terms of rankings. But both guys will have value and both guys will cap the value of each.

[Connor Rogers]

Other. Alright, let's get through some of the coaching carousel. Pete Carroll was fired today. One and done with the Raiders. We mentioned Jonathan Gannon has been fired as well while we were Doing the show. So he's done with the Cardinals. So for the Raiders next year, man, they have the number one pick. So they will have a rookie quarterback. We can all safely assume his offensive line's got to be better for Ashton Genty as.

[Matthew Berry]

Well. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think this is something where, you know, this is also an interesting opportunity again because you there is a little bit of talent on the Raiders, but you also, you have the number one pick and in theory you're going to get Fernando Mendoza or maybe do you think there's any chance like Moore goes number.

[Connor Rogers]

One? There's a chance. It's not a lot. It's not a lock. Mendoza would be the favorite and he deserves to be. The best part is they play against each other in the next round of the College Football Playoff. Moore hasn't decided if he's going to declare. The last I heard from talking to somebody that would know it is based on this run in the playoff. So if you want Dante Moore in the draft, you want to keep rooting for him to keep going. Mendoza's in the draft and I think would be the favorite to go.

[Matthew Berry]

Number one overall either way. So we'll see. This will be interesting to see what influence Tom Brady has. Is there, you know, is there, is there a Tom Brady coach somewhere in his tree that comes comes back as well? Two time coach of the year, Kevin Stefanski also, not a lot of people know he won that award twice. But Kevin Savansky. Yeah, one more win it this year as well. I will tell you what he will have is a job very, very soon. I think he's a hell of a coach. You guys know that. I think he is. I think he's probably the best coaching candidate out there right.

[Jay Croucher]

Now.

[Matthew Berry]

Yeah. As a head.

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[Jay Croucher]

Yeah. One Coach of the year, like two of the past five.

[Matthew Berry]

Years. Yeah, he's kind of two time coach of the year. Kevin Spansky, friend of the podcast Kevin Spansky, been on our.

[Jay Croucher]

Show. Yeah. It's funny how Variable will probably win coach of the year this year. So we've got variable and fancy alternating coach of the year. We've got Joe Burrow winning comeback player of the year every second season. He'll win again next year. But yeah, I think that, I mean the Giants would make a lot of sense for him to be mentoring Jackson Dye, I think. Couldn't imagine someone better than.

[Connor Rogers]

That. Yeah, if he can get another good defensive coordinator there. Our last one here, Raheem Morris let go last night. Not shocking, but the way the Falcons finished this season, thought he had a chance and manager GM Terry Fano. That's not surprising. He's been Falcons have a lot of important pieces for fantasy on this offense, Matthew, and we'll see if they make an offensive minded head coaching.

[Matthew Berry]

Higher. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean because it's the weird part is it's like yeah, I mean the Falcons underperformed but they also had a bunch of injury issues as well. I see getting rid of Fontenot and I guess once you get rid of Fontenot, new slate one that's a clean slate. But I don't think Raheem Morris did a bad job. I don't know that he did a great job, but just doesn't seem.

[Jay Croucher]

Like a particularly well run operation. There's a situation too all the penalties in that game against Tampa. Like it just doesn't seem like everything runs on time there. Yeah. Ironically the way it kind of does seem like it does run on time with New Orleans, who they beat yesterday. But yeah, I think that I'm not that surprised that Rahim is.

[Connor Rogers]

Gone. We're gonna take our first break when we're back weekend warriors right after.

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[Matthew Berry]

Eduardo, We appreciate you so much for everything you do. I just want you to know.

[Jay]

All the Jacksonville behind you. We know it's a meme that's kind of going.

[Matthew Berry]

Viral. So we got your own view. Weekend.

[Connor Rogers]

Warriors. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence gifted grills by his teammates. Pretty.

[Matthew Berry]

Sick. A thousand percent Expensive gift. Very expensive gift. And by I was really touched when you guys did the same for me. Oh, wait, you didn't snap. Yeah, no grills for daddy. What are you gonna.

[Jay Croucher]

Do?

[Matthew Berry]

Daddy? Yeah, you heard it. Let the daddy chubby daddy cheer.

[Jay Croucher]

Daddy. A lot of.

[Matthew Berry]

Daddies. A lot of daddies. But Trevor Lawrence was in fact a daddy. He finished as the fourth best quarterback in fantasy this year. Led all quarterbacks. No quarterback had more games of 17 or more fantasy points than Trevor Lawrence. The Trevor had 12 of them this year.

[Connor Rogers]

Connor. Yeah, he was pretty amazing and as was his somehow his Robin to his Batman. Parker Washington. Yes, that's a real sentence, everyone. Parker Washington closes out the season.

[Matthew Berry]

On a team with Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas Jr. Parker Washington led the Jags in targets, receptions and receiving yards this year. 17 more fantasy points in 68 games where he saw at least 20% target shares. Like we said with Ken Gainwell, Parker Washington can play. The two things that came out of this year with the Jaguars, I believe was that Trevor Lawrence became a franchise quarterback like in the way that he was drafted to be and Park Washington played.

[Jay Croucher]

Football. Yeah. Look, the Bills that I have to worry about Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson in January, but they do have to worry about Parker Washington which is maybe a big amount in the.

[Matthew Berry]

Conqueror. I think the Jaguars have a very real chance at winning that.

[Jay Croucher]

Game. Yeah, let's pick right. Like Bills minus one is basically a coin.

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[Connor Rogers]

Yeah. Well, the Bills yesterday much different looking version of them. Mitch Trubisky and Ray Davis go off. Mitch trubisky a very efficient 22 at 29. He had four touchdowns. Ray Davis over 150 yards. He also caught two passes scored on one. Tried to warn everyone. No one wanted to listen to.

[Jay Croucher]

Me. You were. No, you were right on this kind of. When you gave out Bills minus six and a half or whatever was.

[Connor Rogers]

Earlier in the week Friday was that. Yeah, you see where it goes there.

[Jay Croucher]

Isn'T. There is something of an edge, particularly with early week stuff and it's like knowing your team, the team that you watch every single week.

[Matthew Berry]

Stinks.

[Jay Croucher]

Yeah. And because at that point there was some thought maybe Josh Allen will play. Josh Allen didn't play as Mitch Trubisky line closed 11 and a half and they won by a million points. So yeah, good call there. Mitch Trubisky. Yeah, he's you know, a high end backup in the league and potentially has maybe even done enough in limited time to be a, a lower end bridge starter for a team that needs.

[Matthew Berry]

That Ray Davis, I mean just again when he gets opportunity. Again just so important for anyone that drafts James Cook next year. Ray Davis can be the guy when he gets the opportunity. He's had two games where he's seen at least 20 touches, is 150 yards from scrimmage in both of them as well for Ray Davis. Crazy though to think about how many jets games Connors has watched. But not Star.

[Connor Rogers]

Wars. Yeah, see where I allocated my.

[Matthew Berry]

Time? Just imagine if you're Conor's eyes. It's.

[Connor Rogers]

Cruel. Tyler Schuck makes our list. Even though the Saints lost. Tyler Schuck gets it done through the air and on the ground. Matthew Saints got to be really excited about him going into next.

[Matthew Berry]

Year. Yeah, I mean again, sort of a poor man's Jackson dart. I feel like averaging over 25 rushing yards per game with his legs since week 13 where he's been by the way the sixth best quarterback in fantasy. Chuck is very much a top 20 guy next year. He's definitely a super flex 2 QB league kind of guy next.

[Jay Croucher]

Year. Yeah, I don't think he's a poor man's Jackson dot. I think he's a man's Jackson.

[Connor Rogers]

Dart. A man's man's Jackson.

[Jay Croucher]

Dart. I think the equivalent man's Jackson dart. But it's very encouraging to be able to do this without Chris Olave. Also his receivers did not help him out yesterday. There were some drop.

[Matthew Berry]

Passes. Kevin Austin, where are you.

[Jay Croucher]

At? Yeah, yeah, not.

[Connor Rogers]

Great. Matthew, you had to wait for this one but Chase Brown makes the list again. What a second half of the year for Chase.

[Matthew Berry]

Brown. Unbelievable. Led me to that seventh place finish. We'll never forget it. We'll never forget it. You'll never forget thousand places since week eight. The third best running back in fantasy finished top ten running backs in touches and yards from scrimmage. Back to back seasons now with double digit touchdowns. And so everyone's back for Cincinnati. Bengals are down. Zach Taylor is coming back, Duke Tobin is coming back, which means we expect Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, Chase Brown, the entire offense to be back as.

[Connor Rogers]

Well. Justin Jefferson finishes with a 101 yard game, gets to a thousand yards. It was a long climb to get.

[Jay Croucher]

There. Was a long climb. Good that he was able to have this game at all with JJ McCarthy as you see the top 10 fancy wide receivers from week 18. Justin Jefferson comes in at ninth. So yeah a good way for JJ to end the season. He will be a second round pick next year I would guess and flash him upside with.

[Matthew Berry]

McCarthy. Tank Bigsby was my desperation play on fantasy football pregame yesterday morning. Ends up as a top 10 running back as well. Over 17 fantasy points points. Bigsby is again much like Ray Davis, assuming he's back with Philadelphia next year. For those that draft Saquon Tank Bigsby when he's gotten opportunities, he's proven it. Nice trade there for the Eagles from Jacksonville as well. Last one I just want to mention here is a weekend warrior Alec Pierce. Your man Alec Pierce gets screwed. That was the worst interference call. Go watch the tape. The ref actually walks into Pierce. Pierce is gestulating and the ref is just walking and sort of walks in of front him. It's that ejection was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my.

[Connor Rogers]

Life. Horrible. Bad year for the refs. Went out somehow.

[Matthew Berry]

Worse. Gestulating, Gestulating, Gesturing or.

[Jay Croucher]

Gesticulating? Gesticulating is the.

[Matthew Berry]

Word. Gesticulating and.

[Connor Rogers]

Gesturing. He really boyo'd the.

[Matthew Berry]

Ref. It's absolutely right. You're not allowed to talk to me, Jar Jar. But Jay, you can talk crap to.

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[Matthew Berry]

Funky. It.

[Connor Rogers]

Does. What do you.

[Jay Croucher]

Got? Jay okay, so I'm going Super bowl exact result market I'm taking the Seahawks to defeat the Jags in the Super bowl with plus 2800. I think the Seahawks are the second best team in the NFC after the Rams, but they're more likely to make the super bowl because they have the buy and the parts of the super bowl goes through Seattle and then I think the Jags are the second best team in the AFC behind only the Bills and I think they beat the Bills which is a coin flip game. I think that they'll win the.

[Matthew Berry]

Afc. Well, we are.

[Connor Rogers]

Aligned. Jake I'm taking Jacksonville to win the AFC at + 550. I like the value of this bet, but I like the team. They're excellent against the run which is really important against the playoffs. They have a quarterback playing at a high level, a coach that's a really good play caller and they're home. So I'm excited about Jacksonville in this AFC bracket that feels very very open. Give me the value of plus.

[Matthew Berry]

Especially as we've talked about. I mean Denver's the number one seed and they just beat the crap out of them. The Jaguars did you know a couple of weeks ago I'm taking the Eagles to win the NFC at plus 475. I just think Philadelphia is a really tough place to play. I weirdly think it's tougher than Seattle. I don't. Seattle is not invincible at home and weird things happen. So I just think that veteran presence we've seen Sam Darnold meltdown in big games here. So I think Seattle falters somewhere on the way to the NFC and then ultimately to falter to it's going to have to go through Philadelphia. The link is impossible to play in. Just I think the fact been there done that for this team and that leadership. I think the Eagles wind up in the super bowl.

[Connor Rogers]

Again. I just want to go to the Jags bar for a playoff.

[Matthew Berry]

Game. I want to do my draft. I want to do my DraftKings segment from the. From the pool. Yeah, like when NBC's hosting a Jaguars game. Yeah. Aloha, bricks. Producer Steven's about to uninvite Jay to the Jaguars.

[Jay Croucher]

Ball. I got you guys in the Super.

[Matthew Berry]

Bowl. He does pick, but. I know. But you are the curse of.

[Jay Croucher]

Jay. True. Well, maybe you'll beat the Seahawks in the super bowl because of the curse. The curse works in mysterious.

[Matthew Berry]

Ways. All right, I'm gonna go watch Godfather 2. Connor's gonna watch all nine Star wars.

[Connor Rogers]

Movies. I'm not coming up with a show.

[Matthew Berry]

Tomorrow. And then we are back tomorrow with playoff rankings for everyone doing playoff formats. There's a ton of them out there. So it's closing on. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here for Jay and Conrad. Matthew, we'll see you.

[Jay]

Tomorrow. Peace.