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Rashee Rice Reaction, Favorite Mid-Round Picks (05/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Dave
This is Fantasy football today from CBS Sports.
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Jamie
What a play. Can you believe this?
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Adam
No I can't.
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Dave
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
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Adam
Off to the races and he stays on his feet.
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Dave
This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath,
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Adam
our favorite mid round picks for 2026 as of Wednesday, May 20th. Now you got it. You win your leagues with the mid round picks. You also win your leagues with the early round picks and sometimes with the late round picks. But the mid round picks, those are the ones. Those are the ones Dave, where you really win your league.
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Dave
I used to say that if you could nail one pick between round seven and the end of your draft, you were gonna have a shot at contending for the playoffs in your fantasy league. Because plenty of the guys that you take early, I mean, obviously some of them flame out, but a lot of them are the guys that are the engine of your team. They're the ones that put up the most points, et cetera, et cetera. But when you can find that guy, round seven or later, that acts as one of those players, you're going to have a leg up on the competition in your league.
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Adam
Yeah, and last year that could have been George Pickens. That could have been Rasheed Rice, who was phenomenal when he was playing. And obviously we're going to talk about him. Could have been Chris Olave. Chris Olave was going in the 80s. Mecha Buka was a good pick for a few games. Yeah, probably a late round pick. Take a look right now. Javante Williams was 112th overall. So we're kind of focusing on rounds six through nine, six through 10. I personally think the mid rounds start in round five, but we're going round six here. It doesn't really matter. Picks in the middle of your draft that could help you win your league. Let's start though with the Rasheed.
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Jamie
You got to address what everybody's here for. Explain the situation.
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Adam
We're actually about six minutes late to start the show today because we off the air, we're talking more about the dynasty conundrum. We were going to have Dan on to start today's show, but then we thought, why don't we just wait till tomorrow? And Heath is also here because Heath is not on today. So Dan and Heath will hash it out. I mean, Dan is so fired up about this, it is crazy. And I'm just.
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Jamie
He was, he was so like ranting and so like loud and like pounding the table and pounding the floor like the magnets on his refrigerator fall off.
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Adam
He's really pissed about this. So he's going to talk about it with Heath tomorrow. We will get you that, I hope. I think everybody seemed to enjoy it on Monday because we got a ton of comments about it and we'll put some finality on it on. On Thursday's show.
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Jamie
There won't be a finale.
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Dave
The finale might be Dan walking away from a fantasy league maybe.
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Adam
All right, Rasheed Rice, couple of news items on him. First of all, he's about to surge, I think just started serving a 30 day jail sentence for violating his probation. He tested positive for marijuana. He also had a cleanup procedure on his knee, the one that he tore a couple of years ago. He tore his lcl, damaged his hamstring and his PLC posterior lateral PCL no, it was plc. I looked into it. It's posterior lateral corner, I believe. Posterior?
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Jamie
He looked into it like you opened his knee up and you looked into it?
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Adam
Yeah, Dr. Razor, I saw PLC and I was like, wait, did, was that a typo? Did they mean pcl? No, he tore his posterior lateral corner. His plc.
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Dave
Okay.
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Adam
All right. Anyway, he had a cleanup procedure.
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Dave
You're right. I'm looking it up. I think you're right.
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Adam
I'm right. Thank you for being so surprised. He's going to miss Kansas City's OTAs. He's going to miss their mini camp. And the procedure is expected to sideline Rasheed rice for about two months. Jamie Rashid Rice the last six games of his rookie year, he averaged 18.5 points per game. First three games of his second season, he averaged 21.68 games. Last year averaged 18.6 PPR fantasy points per game. He has been so consistent and so good since the last six games of his rookie season. And he's, I don't know, 1, 2 turn pick right now. What do you think this news means for Rashee Rice?
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Jamie
You know, it's funny, just reading some other of our, our peers in the industry. I have to update the Chiefs Outlook story that I have on the site so that'll reflect my thoughts on on Rice by the end of the day. I saw somebody say he's now around three pick. I saw somebody say he's wide receiver 12. I saw a lot of people just saying they're moving him down and some people saying that they're completely out on Rashi Rice because at this point now he's another discretion away from another suspension. So you have to take that into account. The fact that he, you know, violated his probation and is serving a 30 day jail sentence is just further proof that he's got a really watch what he's doing off the field. Obviously the injury now for a player that has missed significant time due to injury is another concern. So for me, he was wide receiver 6 prior to yesterday and really everything had been looking like it worked out perfect for him because avoided a suspension for the apparent incident. The alleged incident with. I don't remember who it was. Girlfriend, spouse, something. A girlfriend. I think, you know, whatever. Whatever that incident was. I don't want to speak out of turn but he avoided a suspension for violating the code of conduct policy because he's already been suspended. 1. But this the the Chiefs did nothing to enhance their receiving core aside from bringing back Travis Kelsey. They spent a late round pick on Cyrus Allen, you know that is not something that was going to take Rashi Rice off the field. They let Marquis Brown go. They haven't brought back Judicious Schuster. Again, not guys are going to impact Rice, but again, just stripping down this receiving core to its core and it just looked like, okay, easy to take him at the the 12 turner early in round two and potential top five wide receiver. You just listed the numbers. He is so good when he's on the field and so productive for Patrick Mahomes. So now you have his injury. You have Mahomes coming back from an injury. You have the concern about a potential suspension. There are a lot of risks involved with Rashi Rice. So I think round two is the safe spot for him or maybe the, the, the first time you should consider taking him. I think taking him at the end of round one now is risky for me. He's going to most likely fall closer to wide receiver 12 than he is to wide receiver 6. So that may change once he gets to training camp and he's healthy and getting closer to week one. So when all drafts actually matter, he will probably be closer to six at that point if everything is fine. But you just have to sort of build in the risks now with Rice, which unfortunately we thought were going away. So for example, I'll just give you a comparison. The Malik Neighbors news was a top 12 receiver for me. He's 18 now. Rice will probably be again after I update my rankings by the end of the day, probably somewhere between 10 and 12.
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Adam
Dave, what are you doing with Rashi Rice?
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Dave
I just co signed pretty much everything that Jamie said. One thing he didn't say is that the Chiefs seem to be focused on being a little better running the football and that's going to take work away from Rasheed Rice. Part of the reason why he got so many targets and a lot of them were really short targets were because they couldn't run the ball effectively in the last two seasons. And so now if Kenneth Walker's there and he's doing a good job running the football, it's fewer pass attempts from Mahomes who's coming back from his injury. And it might be fewer targets specifically for Rice, because the run game has a presence now, they'll be able to do their thing. I can't help but think that the NFL is eventually going to have to hand down a suspension on Rice after all the transgressions that he's had over the last three years. We don't know for sure that it's going to happen. You're taking a risk when you draft him. When I update my rankings, you'll see him as a 2, 3 turn type of pick. Still the top 12 wide receiver in full PPR, not in non PPR. And I'm gonna have to have a debate with myself, him versus Neighbors and which one I would trust right now to be on my fantasy team. And I think I would lean toward Rice because we don't know that he's going to be suspended and we know that even though he's coming back from a knee injury or surgery, I don't think it's nearly as bad as what Malik Neighbors is coming back from.
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Jamie
I think the other part of this also is this is extremely good for Xavier Worthy's value. You know you want to talk about mid round picks. Worthy we thought was going to be the case we thought this was going to be the case from last year and then he was hurt at the start of the season as well. And so now you have hopefully what we saw in his rookie campaign at the end of the rookie season when Rice was out and Worthy was such a big part of the offense and didn't unfortunately build on that. So I think when you look at third year receivers and guys that have upside and potential, Xavier Worthy is a great mid round target at this point.
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Adam
And that report that the Chiefs limited Xavier Worthy's routes when he came back from the shoulder injury which was week one, just kind of gives you an idea that he wasn't playing healthy for basically any point of the season. So he could, he definitely has a chance to bounce back. And I'm just doing the math real quick here on Kelsey. Let's see, that's 14 games. Kelsey averaged 12.8 PPR fantasy points per game with Patrick Mahomes last year. So I've been, I've been. He's been a target of mine in drafts. He goes super late. Travis Kelsey, he's a part of the greater late strategy for me. So yeah this is a, this is a big deal. But but there's also possibility this is not a deal at all that she Rice is ready for week one and there's no suspension and he doesn't get into any further trouble and then he could end up being a steal quite honestly. Just kind of have to like he
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Jamie
was last year when games that he played.
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Dave
I don't know if we get to mid August and there's no word of a suspension and he's practicing. I think he goes right back up to being a round one two Pick.
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Adam
Yeah, it's very possible.
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Dave
And then he's not a steal. He's a steel now. So if you're doing best ball now or I don't know what you'd be doing to draft otherwise right now, sure, he'd be a steal now.
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Adam
But it's May I have a bold prediction.
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Jamie
He's also, I'm sure he full addresses on his show. He's. He's a definite sell in Dynasty because, you know, we, we heard a lot this off season about the. Do the Rams extend Puka Nakua and the stuff that he was dealing with this off season. Like, did the Chiefs extend Rashi Rice? Like, how, how is that something that they can necessarily take in with certainty at this point? Like you assume that they, they get a deal done because they don't let them leave. But like, don't give them away. But if you could sell, like Rice comes back and no issues. Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell.
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Adam
Okay. One of the truly unique players for a star receiver, if he is that got about a 5 yard a dot
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Dave
every year of his career.
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Adam
It's, it's unbelievably low. And I don't really know how he's been so successful with that a dot but he makes it work. Okay. A couple of other items here or three more. The Saints could be making a decision on Alvin Camara soon. They have not committed to keeping him on the roster. Michael Penix Jr. He's hoping.
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Jamie
Where does he go and ruin a backfield? There's only one place to me where I think it makes it better because there's a lot of two places that make it better because there's this uncertainty and that's Jacksonville and Washington. Like, and when I say make it better, like he could walk in and be the starter. Right.
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Adam
He can go to Denver.
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Dave
Well, everybody's going to link him to Denver.
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Jamie
Denver would make it worse because, like, you can make a case for three guys being starters there.
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Adam
Right now I kind of feel like Camara is just done. I, I could see him as a pass catcher, but as a primary ball carrier, he hasn't been good at that for five years.
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Jamie
Well, I mean, I guess I'm thinking
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Dave
his PPR value, there's a dot connection that would make everybody cringe, and that's Baltimore because Declan Doyle's the play caller there. He came up in New Orleans with Sean Payton. He knows Alvin Mera. I wonder if Camaro would follow the trail left by many other veteran players that go to Baltimore to finish off their careers. That would obviously stink a little bit for Derek Henry. Derek Henry isn't on the field for third downs anyway, and it wouldn't enhance Alvin Camara's value at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if he goes there to do the exact same role with the Ravens in an offense that Doyle can put in and make familiar for Camara.
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Jamie
It's a good suggestion by Joey, by the way, who one of our favorite, you know, contributors to our drafts, etc. Carolina would be good spot for him too.
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Adam
Alvin Camara will be 31 years old on July 25th. An early happy birthday Alvin Camara. Five straight seasons without a run longer than 30 yards. That's kind of mind blowing. Michael Penix Jr. Hoping to be back for week one. He is currently splitting reps with two a tongue of Iloa and Cam Scatterboo says he'll be ready for Week one. All right, a couple things to promote. They're both Dan related. Tomorrow is the Dan versus Heath on this show, but also beyond the Box Score. Make sure you listen to beyond the Box Score. It's got its own YouTube channel. Just search for beyond the Box Score on YouTube. They do phenomenal content. Yeah, look, it's long, but a lot of people are really into that and you know you can get a long deep dive on players that you're not gonna get anywhere else. They do a terrific job. So make sure you check out beyond the Box Score. And not every episode is all that long. We tease them for it. We'll take a break and we'll look at favorite mid round picks from Dave and Jamie. After this, let's check in on the serta. Counting Sheep why aren't we counting anymore?
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Talk about Wandale Robinson Back to back seasons with 140 targets for Wandale Robinson with the Giants. Now he goes over to the Tennessee Titans last year, Wanda was the number 28 wide receiver per game in non PPR, number 20 and a half, number 17 in full PPR. And he's currently being drafted as wide receiver 48 on fantasy pros later than where he's being drafted on early CBS mocks. Dave, he's one of your favorite mid round picks and again we're using rounds. What would it say 6 through 10, 6 through 10 in ADP for these guys? So started off with Wandale Robinson, who
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Dave
I have currently as a top 75 player in full PPR. I might move him down because I know I can get him past that. But how do you ignore 8.2 targets per game in 2024? 8.8 targets per game in 2025, 9.4 targets per game last year when Neighbors was out in New York. And I'm not overrating Carnell Tate. I think Tate's good. I just don't know if Cardinal Tate is going to be what Malik Neighbors was as a rookie. We know that Wanda Robinson was drafted basically by Brian Dable. Has been with Brian Dable his entire career. Now is joining Brian Dable who's the offensive coordinator in Tennessee. And Cam Warden needs reliable hands and he's a short area target. He's not a sexy target. He's not very good in non PPR or half ppr but boy in full ppr. If he's going to catch the ball a lot, I'm going to do the math and have him on my fantasy roster at worst as a number three receiver and someone who might end up being a decent fantasy option like he was last year. Like he sort of was in 2024.
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Adam
Yeah, but isn't top 70? Like doesn't he have to be better than that? I understand he was wide receiver 17 last year, but he's not going to
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Dave
be that this year. I let's put it this way, I don't think that's his ceiling this year. I know he did it last year. It's a different team, different quarterback, different situation, just the same offense. But again, if I'm not, if I'm drafting him later on, if he's closer to round nine or round ten, I'm more than happy to get this guy and he can begin the year on my bench. And again, it's only full ppr.
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Adam
Okay, so Jamie's got a guy that's going around the same time one of his favorite mid round picks and that's Chris Godwin. And who would you rather have? Dave Godwin or Wandale.
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Dave
I currently have Wondale two spots out of God one.
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Adam
Jamie, how about you?
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Jamie
Godwin by about ten picks.
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Adam
Wow.
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Jamie
Ten spots in the rankings in my wide receiver.
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Adam
Oh, okay. Not close. Wow.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Adam
Can I say. Okay. I watched some tape of Chris Godwin this morning and I have done a complete 180 on him. I thought he looked absolutely terrible. And in fact he had a play. This was the last game he second to last game he played. It was a good game. It was 100 yard game with a touchdown against the Dolphins. Chris Godwin had a play where he had a 59 yard catch and he. Almost all of it was yak. So I actually timed him running the 40 because he had about 50.
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Dave
Okay.
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Adam
Okay. Yeah.
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Dave
With a running start or did he actually like stop his feet and turn up?
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Jamie
This makes me like him more.
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Adam
Whatever.
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Jamie
You're gonna finish.
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Adam
Yeah, no, I don't. I. I hope it does it. Obviously it's not the same. It was not with a running start.
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Dave
It was not with a running start.
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Adam
He caught the ball and then turned.
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Dave
Stopped.
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Adam
Turned up field.
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Dave
He turned up field. Okay.
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Adam
Okay.
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Dave
That's kind of. But yeah. Better than a running start. Yeah.
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Adam
5.36 is what he ran. And then I.
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Dave
Was it a straight line?
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Adam
No. Good point.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Adam
All right then. But it wasn't like a total throw this in the 40 yard dash, I'm just telling you. And then I went back and I watched and I watched his tape from the game when he fractured his ankle in 2024. I really think it'd be hard pressed to disagree that he looked slower in 2025. I felt that way for most of last year, but it was a reminder. Now, I think if you want to give him a little bit of a break because he was coming off that major injury. I get that. But I don't know, like, I was pretty high on Chris Godwin. Then I watched the tape and I was like, I think I might be high on the wrong Bucs receiver because Jalen McMillan looked a lot better than him in that game. But anyway, Jamie, I understand the case for Godwin. Go ahead and make it so.
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Jamie
It's interesting you mentioned Dale McMillan because Ted Hurst had a great rookie minicamp and. And sounds like he's going to be a contributor. So does that mean we're going to see four receivers for the Bucks or we see the right three receivers for the Bucks? And I think one guy is definitely locked into his role and that's a mecca. Buka. I think the second guy is Locked into his role which has been where his, his production has been his best. Is Chris Godwin going to be in the slot? Because now you have two guys that could play on the outside in Ted hurst and Jalen McMillan and those two guys will be competing for opportunities and targets and playing time. Godwin in the slot to me is one of the best assets that you can get in fantasy at this price because if Baker Mayfield bounces back and plays closer to what he did in 2024 when Godwin was good, then I think we're going to get great production from Godwin. He is obviously older, he's obviously slower, he is obviously going to be competing for targets and opportunities. That being said, you said this earlier when you were still in on Godwin before your zigzag 40 yard dash time. I still think he could compete to lead the team in targets because of just the role that he'll play and his opportunities. I hope it's a book up because we're all drafting a Buka significantly higher than Godwin, but give me Chris Godwin all day at this price.
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Adam
Yeah, I think there's just like I don't want to be kind of ignorant to or ignoring the warning signs. Chris Godwin is 30. He's kind of had three bad ish seasons in his last four and I think maybe all of them were injury related coming off major injuries, ACL coming
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Jamie
off the ACL coming off the broken ankle.
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Adam
It wasn't. No, the ACL season was good. Then it was really the next two seasons where he really struggled and he said that, that it took him like two years basically to regain form and then 2024 was phenomenal. He was a top five wide receiver per game. He was doing much better than Mike Evans. They both got had season ending injuries on the. Did Evans come back? I forget they both had injuries. Yeah, they both had injuries in the same game. And then last year was it. Was it just because he, he was coming off the major injury? I don't know but I really think he was a diminished player. He also doesn't score a lot of touchdowns. However, that's. I think Evans was a big part of that because Evans gets all the end zone targets. What?
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Jamie
I can't see who said the comment but Adam Godwin looked terrible. He had 100 yards in the touchdown with a 59 yard.
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Adam
Listen, this is why you want this 59 yard catch.
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Dave
I'm watching it right now. Adam, you sent me the link to it and we can't show it on. What do you think because of copyright reasons. I think the safety for the Dolphins should be cut because he just let Godwin run right past him. But you're right, he is not nearly as fast as he once was. The Dolphins made him look fast. This should have been a good play. It should have been a 20 yarder but not a 59 yarder against other defenses. He doesn't do this. I'm just. I'm gonna play the target game. I think last year. What did he average last year? I know in his last six games it was around five and a half targets per game. Obviously that can go up because Evans is gone, but I don't know if it goes up a ton and I don't know if the touchdown production becomes a major thing. So I, I'm gonna take my chances in full PPR with Wandell Robinson because I think he's going to get more targets and he'll be able to cultivate more fantasy points with that. But it's close between those two. I don't think that they should be 10 spots apart but I think that they should be closes number three wide receivers that you draft and you hope that they just do what they have either done you. You should hope that they do what they've done before. It's as simple as that.
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Jamie
So it I'm glad you said that because this is my argument against Wandale is what they've done before. We've seen one big spike season for Wanda Robinson contract year where other guys were injured and now he's going to a receiving core where I do think Cardinal Tate is not. I agree with you, he's not Malik neighbors but man the draft capital invested in him says that he could be malik neighbors or better. And if Tate is what he's supposed to be and you're still getting option, still getting opportunities for the other guys there. I don't know if Wandell is closer to his 2023 or 2024 production which is not good.
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Dave
Right? Right. It's not what you want in round seven or eight or whatever.
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Adam
Yeah, I guess I could frame it one other way is I don't really see a lot of big play potential for Wanda. He's never been that guy. His explosive play rate is pretty bad. He needs a ton of targets.
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Dave
Right. He's done it. It just isn't something that he does consistently. Yeah, he needs you need him fed targets but fantasy sometimes does that and there are players who you draft and add during the year where you go well look, he's just getting the ball so much you can't help but fall into production. I think Wanda was one of those guys.
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Adam
Right. So then if I feel that way about Wandale and I feel that way about last year's version of Godwin, I know ironically, because he had a 59 yard catch and run, but I don't think he's an explosive player. At least if he looks like he did last year, then who else in that range could be that kind of guy? I don't know. Ricky Piersall, Jordan Addison? Absolutely.
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Jamie
Could be.
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Adam
Josh.
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Dave
Absolutely. Could be. Absolutely.
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Adam
Matthew Golden.
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Dave
Absolutely.
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Adam
Xavier Worthy.
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Dave
Absolutely.
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Adam
Doesn't mean you.
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Dave
Especially now with the rights news.
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Jamie
Right.
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Adam
It doesn't mean you have to draft all those guys ahead of these players. But.
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Dave
But find your favorite and target them.
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Adam
Yeah. Different profiles. All right, let's.
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Dave
Very much so let's take a look
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Adam
at some quarterbacks here because Dave, you got a whole list of them that you like. 57th or later. Joe Burrow, who's going about 57th overall. Jalen Hurts, Jackson Dart, Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert, and Jamie, you're always highlighting Herbert. So why don't we kick it off with Herbert and we know the deal. I mean, Dave talks about it a lot. The mid round quarterbacks, the late round quarterbacks, they're just phenomenal. But I think, I know, I know, Jamie, that you like Burrow better than Herbert, but you like Herbert better than most analysts like Herbert, it seems.
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Jamie
Yeah. Just again, looking at Mike McDaniel's addition, Joe out and Rashawn Slater being healthy, if you look at what, what Herbert did in the six games that Alt was healthy last year, it was over 25 fantasy points per game. The first two seasons of Herbert's career were the two best of his career. He's been chasing that ever since, you know, been about 22 to 23 points at a ceiling. 21 to 23 points has kind of been where he's lived since those first two seasons. So we've been kind of chasing that, you know, those glorious years for him. I think this could be one of his best years. I don't know if he gets back to that 29 point per game range, but I just think that if the tackles stay healthy and the receiving core stays healthy and now you have Mike McDaniel being there, this could be a fantastic year for him because we saw when Alt was healthy, he was running, certainly when his foot injury was there. So he has the ability to give you around 400 rushing yards per game. I think it'll probably be in the, in the mid threes he'll be about three or four rushing touchdowns. But this is a guy that has four, 500 yard potential. He's got 40 touchdown potential. I just think he's one of the best options to have a re breakout because I don't think again he gets back to those, you know, first two year numbers because that's just too lofty a a number to reach. But 26 points per game, 27 points per game. I think you get there. And so I tend to gravitate toward Justin Herbert a lot. You know, I did a magazine draft and you know I'm not going to be like Dan and say that there were circumstances that ruined my draft, but I was coaching a baseball game while so here, here was my, my night. I was coaching a baseball game where I have to do. If anybody's familiar with game changer, I do game changer while I'm coaching. So I'm coaching a game, I'm scoring the game and I'm doing a draft all at the same time. And so it got to round seven and I was like, oh, I need a quarterback. So I just look quickly. Jalen Hurts was still there, I've heard. Ranked 1 spot ahead of of Herbert. For now I'm like okay, I'll just take Jalen Hurts. I'm like, oh, there it comes right back to me round. There's Herbert. I'm like, I should have just waited. You know, like that was one that, that bothered me just because I like the value for Herbert so much. And I think the upside is on par with outside of the top two or three guys or four guys. For me he could be as high as QB5. So really excited about Justin Herbert this season.
- [27:41]
Adam
Wait, what was the thing you use game changers that we said? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Speaking of game changer, just real quick, guess who's leading his softball team and on base percentage. Interesting. I am leading the team with five walks, but I haven't walked. I did walk twice the other Monday, but no, I've got some hits. I'm actually batting.600.
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Jamie
Let's go.
- [28:05]
Adam
That, that is second highest on the team.
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Dave
Wow.
- [28:10]
Jamie
They reflected that in your.
- [28:11]
Adam
They batted me lead off on Monday. I was go, yeah, I know it's crazy. I think it's a mistake. Small sample size reaction here.
- [28:18]
Jamie
How'd you do?
- [28:20]
Adam
I drew two walks in the first inning. Unfortunately the pitcher or the other team just couldn't, just couldn't throw strikes.
- [28:26]
Jamie
Wow, you batted around. That's great.
- [28:27]
Adam
Then I went 1 for 3. Then I made two pathetic errors in the first inning. Threw my hat down in disgust. Lost all my right field or second base? Second base. I don't deserve to play second. But I suck. I just really suck. But at least I'm hitting a little bit.
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Dave
We won.
- [28:42]
Adam
We're 6 and 1.
- [28:43]
Jamie
Nice.
- [28:43]
Adam
Look at us. I need video.
- [28:45]
Dave
Playing softball. And especially you getting mad playing softball.
- [28:48]
Adam
Embarrassing.
- [28:48]
Jamie
It's so funny that the. The comment in chat. Maybe the Mets can use azer. So I have. We're the Mets. We're playing a championship game tonight. Very, very excited. Should be a fun game.
- [28:58]
Adam
Awesome. Yeah, good luck.
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Jamie
We're playing at which age group?
- [29:01]
Dave
Which kid?
- [29:02]
Jamie
Ronin. So it's gonna be really good baseball. It's at Little Fenway, which is fun. So there's a, a park in Delray beach called Little Fenway where it's actually a green monster. And it's rough. It's where Bucky Dent baseball school used to be. If you remember Bucky Dent, he was, you know, had a big hit for the Yankees against the Red Sox. So they've replicated Fenway park there. It's actually awesome for, you know, little league kids to play at. And it's 15, 16 year old baseball. My son's 14 playing up, so. Should be fun.
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Adam
That park, that's. That's a cool place.
- [29:34]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [29:34]
Adam
Dave, I'm not gonna ask you about every quarterback on this list, but I do want to ask you about Joe Burrow, who right now looks like a fifth round pick. And I mean, if he came off the board in the third round, I wouldn't, I would say, oh, okay. I mean, it's a little aggressive, but I get it. It's in a six point per passing touchdown league.
- [29:51]
Dave
Of course.
- [29:51]
Adam
Must feel like with, with Herbert and Burrow, it's this. It's at times we've been robbed of how good they can be because of injuries to their receivers or injuries to them or something like that. But how. What's the ceiling for Burrow?
- [30:05]
Dave
20, 24. He averaged 27 fantasy points per game. That's better than Justin Herbert ever did. And he's going ahead of Justin Herbert, so it makes sense to draft him with that type of expectation. I have started to give the Bengals defense props for their off season moves. And I wonder if that might take away some of the games that would have otherwise been shootouts that we saw from Cincinnati last year. And is that enough to like run away from Joe Burrow? I don't think so. His receiving core is Too good. He's too good. And he's given us spurts of good play each of the last three seasons. He had 23 plus in five of his last six games last year. He was awesome. I think round five is okay to take Joe Burrow. I think I've got him as a top 50 player. So that's like. That might be round four. I don't know if I can necessarily sign off on that, but when you look at other players that are available at the, at the four or five turn, you might say, why would I take any of these guys that have warts when Joe Burrow is, is pretty clean other than the injury. And if you get Joe Burrow and you take another quarterback later or if you're in a smaller league, you don't even have to bother taking the other quarterback because there's going to be somebody on waivers. You'll feel good about Burrow as your starter to begin the year.
- [31:20]
Jamie
I think just the one thing with the, the narrative of defense getting better. Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Stafford was the mvp. They threw the ball a lot and very successful. So when you have the right offensive pieces in place. So like Dave's been talking about, and I totally agree, Dallas defense getting better. I don't know if that's a negative. So much for, for Dak and the offense, like.
- [31:41]
Dave
Right. Because they're not going to be a shutdown unit. But it's like I said, there could be a couple of games where, you know, last year, that game against Chicago, maybe it doesn't get like crazy out of control this year because the Bengals defense is just, you know, I don't even want to say incrementally better. I think they deserve more than that. They're better. It's a better unit as of now.
- [32:00]
Jamie
I just think their identity is what their identity is and it's still, still it's Joe Burrow throwing the ball all over the place.
- [32:06]
Dave
We're not waiting for Joe Burrow to fall around 8 here. We know what that, what they're doing.
- [32:11]
Adam
I feel like maybe if we're talking about a top 5ish defense, it could really come into play. You know, the Eagles, for example, I remember.
- [32:19]
Dave
Yeah, that was the first one that came to mind.
- [32:20]
Jamie
Well, I mean, again, we all think of Denver as a top five defense and the Broncos were top five in past attempts.
- [32:26]
Adam
You're right, they were, they were number three, Seattle, but Seattle was number one and they didn't throw the ball much. Houston was number two. They.
- [32:34]
Jamie
No, but Then it comes.
- [32:35]
Dave
They did have the offensive player of the year, though.
- [32:37]
Jamie
I don't. I don't.
- [32:38]
Adam
The defensive player.
- [32:41]
Jamie
I don't think when you. When you look at the Bengals, you say, wow, the Broncos are going to throw the ball more than them.
- [32:46]
Adam
No.
- [32:47]
Jamie
So, you know, it's.
- [32:49]
Dave
Yeah, it's.
- [32:49]
Jamie
When you, when you have the personnel, you're going to use the personnel, and the Cowboys and the Bengals have the personnel, and they're going to still throw the ball up.
- [32:56]
Adam
Sure. I mean, maybe if there's a team that. That would be concerning. It might be. Might be the Chargers in this discussion. Their defense finished ninth last year, but was so good in the second half of the season. They've got Hampton. They got an offensive coordinator that likes to run the ball. I don't know. You know, it could be.
- [33:11]
Jamie
It certainly could be the case. You know, again, I think when you hire Mike McDaniel, it's not necessarily just to run the ball. It's to be more creative offensively. And now you have the pieces in place to do that. So, you know, when he's banging the table, Magnus not falling in his kitchen, and he's banging the table for Brennan Thompson because, hey, we need more speed on the field. That's. Let's just let. Let Justin Herbert throw the ball a little bit more, too.
- [33:36]
Adam
Yeah. Okay. Let's take a break and talk about a couple of tight ends on Dave's list, some running backs on Jamie's list. We'll be right back. Hey, Jamie, real quick, give me Quentin Johnston. Give me your thoughts on Quentin Johnson. As we just discussed, the Chargers here. Right now, he's wide receiver, 44 on fantasy pros, and he's going 98th overall. But on CBS, 115th overall.
- [33:57]
Jamie
Quentin Johnston, I think he's a. He's a good reminder for people doing their rookie drafts now that sometimes you're going to get somebody who may suck as a rookie, and if the team still believes in him, there's opportunities for that player to still have success. We all thought Quentin Johnson was done after his rookie season, and he looked lost. Comes back his second year has better production. Okay. Yeah, they go out, they get Keenan Allen, they draft Lab McConkey. It looks like maybe they're trying to replace him because it didn't seem like everything's going to be fine. Then he comes back, his third season, has another productive year. Certainly at the start of the year when Joel was healthy, he looked like an absolute monster when Justin Herbert was throwing the ball down the field. So can he get to another level, I don't know. But 12.2 PPR points for this point in the draft, which is what he gave you last year. Not going to be consistent because that's just not his game. But he could be a 10 touchdown guy each of the last two seasons without a lot of targets and opportunities to go along with that. So I think just looking at him, you mentioned a couple guys, you know, in terms of big play potential, you know, Xavier Worthy, Matthew golden, like Golden's a perfect comparison. Golden disappointing rookie season path has been cleared for him to have success. I think you just look at Quinn Johnson like he's going to be on the field. I don't think Trey Harris takes him off the field. I don't think Brendan Thompson takes him off the field. I think we're looking at the. And Heath even said this, you know, maybe the guy that can compete with Lad McConkey to lead the team in targets like Quentin Johnson's got still a ton of upside and so healthy offensive line. More time to throw for for Herbert. I think we could see a big year for Quentin Johnson. So he's a great mid round at the tail end of this. But, but a great mid round guy to, to put as your fourth or fifth wide receiver.
- [35:31]
Dave
You'd love to have a guy like that as your bi week replacement wide receiver in a pinch flex, something like that. The team picked up his fifth year option so they obviously like him.
- [35:40]
Adam
Yeah, that surprised me.
- [35:43]
Dave
Me too. But they did it and Jamie said it like about 12 PPR points per game. That was even his average after his last 13 games. Remember last year started on fire. He was amazing.
- [35:55]
Adam
Adam.
- [35:56]
Dave
You were patting yourself on the back and then he came back down to earth. He actually did. He, he. It was very much in line with his 2024 average. I think if you draft him and you say okay, this is a guy who's going to get me between 11 and a half and 12 PPR points for him. Man, that's damn good for what area on the draft you're taking him.
- [36:12]
Adam
I'm. I don't pat myself on the back. Okay. Other people were patting me on the back for my.
- [36:17]
Jamie
Cause you have little arms you can't reach.
- [36:18]
Adam
Yeah, my, my random Quentin Johnson pick. That's not my style, Dave. Now about my softball performance. So I, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about Basil Tootin, Jadarian price, Harold Fannin Jr. And more after this. Harold Fannin Jr. Did say Jr. I'll say it anyway. Harold Bannon Jr. Going let's say around 75th on CBS and fantasy pros. Tight end, five on fantasy pros. So big gap between him and the top three at least. And George Kittle a few rounds later, tied in nine on fantasy pros. So these are two guys that you put on your list, Dave, Harold Fannin Jr. And George Kittle.
- [37:01]
Dave
What I love about Kittle is that I would assume that we're going to draft him and be able to stash him right away because I'd be surprised. Let's put it this way, I'd be surprised if he's ready to go at the beginning of the season. He's more of a middle of the season moving forward type of pick. You're going to draft him, stash him, and then keep your fingers crossed that he's 80% of himself for. For the end of the 2026 season. Fannin's completely different. I still think he's going to be the number one target getter for Cleveland, I think. I think Todd Monkin going to Cleveland is going to open up a lot more for him in terms of efficiency and passing. I don't think he's going to be a little dink and dunk guy as much. I think he'll catch passes a little bit further downfield. That's kind of in line with how Monkin operates. And I know they just added a bunch of rookies and we're really worried about what that could do to the 6.7 targets per game that Fannin had last year. I think he gets that many, if not more this year because he is a very good option, a reliable target for whoever they've got playing quarterback. And it's a team that I think will be either in a bunch of competitive games or chasing points in the second half. And Fannin's just an easy target to lean on and to call place for. So I'm. I'm a big fan of him as somebody to go and get. And if you don't get him, you can get George Kittle. You can take another tight end late. You'll start the other tight end to begin the year and then you'll unleash George Kittle and hopefully he doesn't squash us like he squashed a spider when his wife was distressed a week or so ago.
- [38:30]
Adam
I'm a little surprised that Jake Ton just doesn't have an ADP right now. On Fantasy Pros, you can pick them
- [38:36]
Dave
up off the waiver wire at the end of the draft, you could literally draft just George Kittle and then once you can stash him on ir, you pick up Jake Tonjas right now.
- [38:46]
Adam
Yeah, I think.
- [38:47]
Dave
Yeah, but why would you. And also why would you do that when you can probably find a tight end that's got a little more upside than Todges?
- [38:53]
Adam
Well, if Kittle, if we know Kittle's gonna start the year on IR or let's just say he's not, but he's expected back in week three or four or something like that, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind Tom just being my last pick just to secure it up, just to lock it up, but fine. Jamie, you've got two running backs who are going back to back on CBS and basically fantasy pros as well, just Outside the top 24, Basil Tutin and Jadarian Price. Who do you like better?
- [39:24]
Jamie
I like Price better, but you know, Tutin is not far behind. You know, just looking at his opportunity to start, I think to the, the path to success is easier for Price knowing that his backups. And look, you can probably make some comps to Emmanuel Wilson and Chris Rodriguez. Both guys have shown the ability at times to be good in, in backup roles. And in the case of Wilson last year when he got double digits in touches, he was Fairly successful over 11 PPR points per game, four of six that he has. You know, Rodriguez did some good things last year in Washington. The difference I think is the connection he has with Liam Cohen from their time in Kentucky and does that add a little bit more weight to the competition for Tootin? Plus the fact that Price was a first round pick and knowing that Zach Sharborn is probably going to be out at least the, the last, most recent report was from espn, Brady Henderson, who covers the team there, saying that he could be out until December. So I think Price has a chance. You know, if. If Price was a starter on a team in college compared to a backup on a team in college, and he was the 32nd overall pick in this situation to a Seahawks team that was so successful running the ball last year and now potentially has over 400 vacated carries, let alone touches, vacated carries that might not be there with Walker and Charbonnet's injury, we would be over the moon for him. So Price, I think, will hopefully surprise a lot of people. I know the work in the passing game is not what you want to see coming out of college. Fifteen career catches in three seasons, but I think everybody values him as a runner. I think everybody understands that the opportunity is fantastic. Seattle maybe a little bit more past happy just because of the personnel shift of losing Walker and not having Charbonnet. But I still think that's going to be the mantra of Brian Fleury, who's coming from San Francisco as a new offensive coordinator, was the run game coordinator in San Francisco. That was previously Mike McDaniel's job. So hopefully we have some success there. So both these guys are going to share to some capacity. I just think the upside favors Price a little bit more, maybe significantly more if he picks things up right away.
- [41:25]
Adam
I think one of the questions with these guys is how much do you, how seriously do you take their competition? I know Jamie just alluded to it, but I think Dave, we could probably look at Tutin and Jadarian Price and say they're probably at least at the beginning of the season, not going to be the third down back. Right. We know, we know who Jacksonville is going to use. LA Quinn Allen and I would assume George Holani in Seattle. Travis ETN last year had 36 catches on 52 targets. Not a great catch rate. So maybe if Tutin had that same role, maybe he could have 40 catches or something like that. Price would take the under, I guess. But who has stiffer competition in your mind for carries Basil Tutin or Jadarian
- [42:04]
Dave
Price to begin the year? It's easily Tootin. And then it comes down to how healthy and how nimble is Zach Charbonnet when he comes back, whenever that is.
- [42:15]
Adam
Okay. All right, so those are two mid round picks that Jamie's targeting. Another one that he likes is Chuba Hubbard who's going in the same range. We've talked about him a lot so I didn't include him on today's show. I'm going to stick with Jamie here and get to two later round running backs. They're not late round, they're the end of the mid round. Let's say Jakori Krosky, Merritt and Jordan Mason, Shakuri Crosby, Merit and Jordan Mason and they're, they're, you know, borderline round 9, 10, 11 picks depending on what site you're looking at. Who do you like better there, Jamie Jacori, Crosby Merit or Jordan Mason?
- [42:47]
Jamie
Right now it's Crosby Merit, but that could change depending on what this Minnesota backfield looks like by the time we get to camp and what the reports are. I saw someone suggest which to me makes a lot of sense, like let Mason be the primary runner and use Aaron Jones, who's going to be 31, as a pass catcher as opposed to what we saw last year when both were healthy where they were almost rotating drives. But look, Crosby Merit should be the starter there. We'll see what Rashad White does. We'll see what Catron Allen does. You know how much of those two guys factoring in on terms of rushing down work because clearly Rashad White should be the guy working on passing downs. But Cross Gamer finished the season strong and you know that was without Jane Daniels. We know running quarterbacks, while they don't necessarily help the pass catching potential of running backs, they definitely help the running potential of those guys because they open up rushing lanes. So he's somebody I think if you're looking at, you know, he's talked about this. I don't think he has the Quinshawn Judkins potential to lead the NFL in carries, but he should lead his team in carries and he should be a guy that gets a lot of work if the Washington offense is successful. So in this range it's easy to take cross demerit until we get a little bit more clarity about what the backfield is. I think in the case of Mason, like you're waiting for an Aaron Jones injury to maximize his potential. Even though he did have some positive moments when Jones was healthy, his best numbers came in 2025 in that four game period when Aaron Jones was not on the field. So one is more of a like if Mason had the job to himself it would be easily Mason. But I think right now just you got to wait for that injury. And then there's the wild card of Claiborne running back that they drafted this year. How much work will he get and do we see three running backs getting work in in Minnesota as well?
- [44:20]
Adam
Cool. All right, Dave, let's get back to you and a couple of the players left on your list. Actually I think there's only one.
- [44:27]
Dave
Wow.
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Adam
And it's another Cleveland Brown, Casey Conception. He's wide receiver 52 on fantasy pros where he's going 124th, Concepcion going 103rd on CBS. What do you if you were looking into the future in the year 2000, where do you think Concepcion's ADP will be closer to 103rd or 124th?
- [44:51]
Dave
I I'm going to say closer to 124th. I think he's going to need some serious buzz in training camp, but I can't rule it out. I think it's very possible that Concepcion steps up and looks like a first round wide receiver. I know that he's an awesome route Runner, he's got great speed. They can line him up everywhere. There's an issue with drops that go back to his days in college. We've talked about that. It's going to have to be looked at by the Browns. If they can do something to help him concentrate and keep his feet on the ground when the catch point arrives, he could end up being one of the steals of the draft. I think if there's anybody that can challenge Harold Fannin to be the top target getter this year for Cleveland, it's Concepcion. So he's somebody that I like to target strictly for the bench. Pretty much every other receiver that we've talked about today, I'm definitely taking ahead of Concepcion. But it's just a combination of talent, opportunity. These are usually the two things that matter. Opportunity more important than talent for fantasy. I know the quarterback sucks. He can catch short passes and he can make plays after the catch. And Monkin, like I said earlier, does like to favor downfield throws and Concepcion can absolutely do that.
- [46:03]
Jamie
I think this, you know, you talked about this Adam, on the schedule discussion that we had on Friday on CBS Sports Network. Like games that don't matter to the public as much. But we're going to be fascinated to watch and seeing what Cleveland does in, in the preseason training camp, obviously early in the season, like, like Fanon scares me, to be honest. Just because like the, the production from last year, can it be replicated with a less tight end friendly coach? Because Stefanski is so tight end friendly, you factor in, you know, you know, Dave said it in talking about fan and like, you know, they have these two rookies. Like, I don't think a lot of people would be overly shocked if Boston is the best pass catcher on this team because of what Dave said. Like Monkin's gonna allow them to challenge down the field and his physical presence is different than both of these guys and the routes that he'll run will be different than both these guys. You have the wild card of Jerry Judy. Does he have anything left to offer and how much does he factor into all this? And so I, I'm almost worried that we're gonna see too much of a run heavy offense because this team defensively will still be in games. You know, this is where I think defense really comes into a little bit more of a factor, especially when you have these, you know, struggling passing attacks or potentially struggling past. That's mostly because of the quarterback. So if Judkins is right and they're in these field goal fests and a Lot of low scoring games. Like do we get the, the 120 target potential out of somebody? Because last year, if you recall, fanon was like 107 right to lead the team. It was, it was under 110. Like that's great for a tight end, but if it's a hundred for him, 100 for Fan, for Concepcion, 100 for Boston, like does Fanon just kind of slot in as like tight end 10 and Concepcion in Boston are like, you know, pushing for wide receiver 35ish. You know, like that's would be fine where you're drafting them, but like nobody is really standing out above the rest until we get that maybe quarterback of the future there for Cleveland.
- [47:57]
Dave
And the only thing I can push back on here is that under Monkin in Baltimore, tight ends had, I think it was a 32% target share each of the last two seasons. Now that could be a Lamar Jackson thing. That can definitely be a Ravens thing. But I give Monkin the benefit of the doubt as somebody who coordinates his offenses based on the talent that he has, the tendencies that he has. As far as tight ends go, I, I, I don't know if he's necessarily, I don't think we can call him a tight end guy just because he did that last year, but I think he's going to lean on the two rookies that he drafted, his team added under his leadership along with what they've gotten Fannin because how do you get away from what Fannin did last year? And so it comes down to me, which receiver is going to be better. I'm putting my money on Concepcion and I think that Fannin will still have a big role there. I think Mon can only on both those guys as much as he possibly can.
- [48:51]
Adam
Okay, so Dave's list was Wanda Robinson, Harold Fannin Jr. George Kittle, Casey Concepcion, and then a bunch of quarterbacks. Burrow hurts start. Prescott, Stafford, Wade on quarterback.
- [49:04]
Dave
Yeah.
- [49:05]
Adam
And then Jamie had Herbert Godwin, Tutin Price, Quentin Johnston, Jacori Crosby, Merritt, Jordan Mason. And that leaves one more. Mai Lemon 95th on CBS, 84th on fantasy pros. That makes Makai Lemon wide receiver 38 the Eagles rookie wide receiver. Would you take Makai Lemon over Chris Godwin?
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Jamie
No.
- [49:33]
Adam
Would you take Makai Lemon? Let's see. Over Alec Pierce.
- [49:40]
Jamie
No.
- [49:41]
Adam
Jacoby Myers.
- [49:42]
Dave
Am I supposed to be answering these two?
- [49:44]
Adam
Okay.
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Dave
Yeah. So far no. So far no.
- [49:47]
Adam
Jacoby Myers.
- [49:49]
Jamie
I would take him over Myers. Yes.
- [49:50]
Dave
I'd rather have Myers.
- [49:52]
Adam
Michael Wilson.
- [49:55]
Jamie
I would take him over Wilson.
- [49:56]
Adam
I'd rather have Wilson, obviously, everything we're doing here is assuming an AJ Brown trade. Last one. Makai Lemon or Ricky Pearsall.
- [50:05]
Dave
Makai Lemon Rizzy.
- [50:08]
Adam
That's what they call him. Yeah. Really?
- [50:12]
Dave
When he's. When he's not nursing a hamstring injury like he has for 75% of his
- [50:17]
Adam
career, they don't call him that way. So they do call Ricky Pierce all rizzy.
- [50:22]
Dave
When he's. When he's sidelined, he's back to being Ricky. Okay, maybe even Richard. But when he's on the field and he's doing his thing and he's healthy. Richard Rizzy.
- [50:31]
Adam
All right, Makai Lemon, Jamie, what do you like about him and when. What round do you think is appropriate for him?
- [50:37]
Jamie
I would start looking for him around seven. You know, I. I think just looking at the opportunity of no A.J. brown, and I think obviously everybody should be excited about Devontae Smith, but the Devonte Smith just absorb a significant amount of targets that AJ Brown is vacating or just a portion of the targets that A.J. brown is vacating, which is about 124. So you got to factor in Marquis Brown, you got to factor in Don Tavian Wicks. You obviously have to factor in Dallas Goddard. I don't think the Eagles trade up into the first round to get Makai Lemon to not use him. The Belitnikov winner, obviously fantastic with what he does. The ball in his hands after the catch, can play inside, can play outside. You know, you want to go back to a previous podcast, I completely agree. Jake Seeley on our show stating that the narrative that Jalen hurts won't throw over the field or won't have success throwing over the field is very overblown.
- [51:26]
Adam
Over the middle of the field. I'm sorry, over the middle of the field.
- [51:30]
Jamie
What?
- [51:31]
Adam
I say over the field.
- [51:32]
Jamie
Oh, over the military. Excuse me. That. You know, Lemon will have success, you know, doing those routes. I think he will be an amazing playmaker for them and so just excited about Makai Lemon's landing spot, an opportunity. So I think there's going to be an opportunity here for him to challenge to be the best rookie wide receiver this season.
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Adam
Oh, he's so good.
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Dave
Yes. It's really true. I hate the landing spot. I think we're a year away. I think once Goddard's out of there and it's clearly Devontae Smith and Makai Lemon is the top two target getters, that's when we're going to see Lemon break out.
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Adam
I just hope that they. If they could just go Back to being, you know, something like 23rd or 25th in pass attempts, then I could deal with it, you know. But the last couple of years, the Eagles have been toward the very bottom. I think 20, 24, they were last in pass attempts. And if anybody cares, I can look it up. Dave, let's have a look it up fight.
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Dave
I'm not looking it up. Oh, wow. It sounds about right. Even if they're not dead last, they're probably bottom five.
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Adam
Oh, wait, they were 24th. All right. I'm sorry.
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Dave
They are bottom eight.
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Adam
Yeah, but that's like. That's good enough, you know? All right. The Eagles had 497 pass attempts in 2025. In 2024, they had 448. The last time they had a really good pass offense was 2023. Let's see how many past attempts they had there. They had. Okay, they were 24. They had 563. So that is actually a pretty far cry from what we saw last year. 563 pass attempts is not going to be amazing, but it would be really big for the Eagles. It would be a big development for them and make Lemon. I just don't see them getting back to that. That was pre Barclay.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Dave
It means something's wrong with Saquon.
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Adam
Yeah, I think. I don't think they're going to get there, but look, I mean, I do
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Dave
like their new play caller. I think the new play caller can make the passing game. I mean, anybody could do better than what they had last year, but I think Sean Manion is going to be a good play caller for them.
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Adam
And look, this. This version of the Eagles offense has had A.J. brown be a stud and Devonte Smith at least be someone worth rostering every week and starting a lot of weeks. Yeah. So if you're getting that with Lemon in the. In the 80s or something like that in the ADP, that's pretty good. Okay, Good luck. Jamie, how you feeling about tonight?
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Jamie
I feel good. You know, we definitely have pitching, which is always important. So we beat this team earlier this year on the. It was a crazy game. So the kid that's starting tonight was dominant through the first three innings. He had a pitch limit, so when he hit his 50 pitches, he left with a six nothing. He left. We had a six nothing lead. The kid that I brought in in place of him was not very good. Walked a couple guys, hit a couple guys, and then we had a very scary collision in the outfield where my son is 5 11, 1 60, and he ran into a kid that's probably about 5 7, 120 and sent him the hospital actually. Oh no, just to get checked out, but thought he might have broken his ribs. It was nasty, like just a ball that was just hanging in the air. They're both going for it and not a lot of communication but tie ball game, come up with bases loaded, two outs and my son, it was a very windy night and he hit a ball. He's a big lefty, so he had a ball that I'm coaching. Third off the bat, I thought it was going to right field and I'm like, I'm hoping the kid just misplays it. It hung up in the air and ended up landing behind the pitcher's mound. The second baseman went back to chase the ball and then the pitcher didn't move. The pitcher moves, he catches it, but ball lands right in between that like Bermuda Triangle of you would have dropped it for them, but it's right in the Bermuda Triangle of pitcher, first base, second base. And we end up walking it off. It's you know, stupidest walk off I've ever seen.
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Adam
Wow. If, okay, let's say not a windy,
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Jamie
somebody said in the, in the chat the kid was fine, he was okay. Just went to get checked out.
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Adam
Good. That's good. You know, I honestly have a little affinity for the 5, 7, 120 pound kid in this, in this fight. You know, if, if a player hits a fly ball, a routine fly ball at a right field. What, what age are they? 13.
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Jamie
They're 13 to. I don't think we have any 16 year olds. 13 to 15.
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Dave
Oh, all right.
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Adam
What, what percentage those balls are caught
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Jamie
in tonight's game or in General?
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Adam
In general,
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Jamie
65.
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Adam
Oh, I could do that. All right, well, good luck. Sorry that you.
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Dave
I just, Yeah, I just got an email for another Dynasty league that I'm in and the commissioner said make sure to cut at least three players so your roster is valid before or after the draft.
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Adam
Is that Heath's league?
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Dave
No, this is a completely different commissioner, completely different league. None of you guys are in it. And he still wants you to make cuts before the draft.
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Adam
What's wrong with him?
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Dave
So it is not just a heat thing. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying that the rules. And he's also sent an email to everybody in the league. So now I'm going to text him and say, hey, you better make sure everybody sees this email so that no one's caught off guard when our draft starts.
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Jamie
Did you, did you finish your draft yet? Adam and Heath's leak? Yeah, for your four picks.
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Adam
Oh, this is a good topic. Actually. Let's. We. So we did our rookie draft, obviously. Let's see. I had the. What did I have the third pick? No, the fourth pick. Let's look at the draft results. Draft results. I took Jordan Tyson in round one.
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Jamie
Great.
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Adam
It's by the way, it's a tight end premium league. You know, I've been meaning to bring this other guy up that gets so. I don't want to say overlooked because I get, I get the reasons why, but there's no enthusiasm about him and he was drafted before a lot of players who have more enthusiasm. I took Jeremy Bernard in round two. What was he the sixth wide receiver drafted in this. In the NFL? Seventh, maybe. I know Pittsburgh wasn't the best landing spot, but I took Jeremy Bernard right after Antonio Williams for example, when. And Antonio Williams was a third round pick.
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Jamie
You took him after stribling, right?
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Adam
Yes, dribbling was the first round pick.
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Jamie
Yeah. Dan draft is really.
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Adam
Then I took Oscar Delp in a tight end premium league. I was actually pretty excited about that pick in round three. That was 28th overall. And Cole Payton in a. Oh, I was going to, you know, I was going to take Cyrus Allen for the Chiefs, but I decided super flex league. I took Cole Payton in round four.
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Dave
Yeah, he just, he like Lemon ended up in Philadelphia. Yeah, I don't know when he's gonna get a chance to ever play, but he was fun at the Senior bowl for a couple of days. He was the best quarterback there.
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Adam
Is it.
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Jamie
So I went into this crap with man, I need, I need receivers badly. And then at 9, like you said, tight end premium Sadiq was there. That was easy to take him at 9. I was surprised he was on the board. Then round two, I took Singleton. I was like just best player available. Then round three was like a gift. K Tron Al was still there, so got him in late round three. And so I'm like, I'm like this is just, this just fell the right way. But my receiver is just hurting. You know I, I have, I had on this team Jalen Waddle, Courtland Sutton and Troy Franklin. And I may have to play all three of them at some point.
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Adam
Well, you can play a lot of flexes in this league. It's. The positions aren't quite as important. I want to say something about Carson Beck for those of you doing Dynasty drafts. I don't know if I said this on the air, but I'VE been pretty negative on Carson Beck because I quite frankly, he can't move. He's very, he's pretty much immobile. Well, it's a stretch, but he's not gonna run and I think he's gonna
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Dave
struggle if there's ran for the game winning touchdown against Ole Miss to put Miami in the national championship.
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Adam
I also had serious doubts about his arm strength, especially on deep throws. But it is worth noting that he had major elbow surgery in 2024, so it's possible that he didn't have his full arm strength for 2025. So before you draft Carson Beck in your super Flex league, go watch his Georgia tape and see what you think of his arm. But I can just say the deep balls he threw at Miami were not, in my opinion, they were not NFL caliber at all. So I've been pretty negative on him. But maybe I'm not cutting him enough slack for coming off a major, major else elbow injury that he had at Georgia in 2024. Okay, that is it for today's show. Thanks for watching and listening everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow with Dan versus Heath on Fantasy Football.
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Jamie
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Jamie
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