Listener Mock Draft REVIEW! What They Got Right & Wrong (07/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Listener Mock Draft REVIEW! What They Got Right & Wrong

Original Air Date: July 9, 2026
Hosts/Panel: Dave Richard (CBS), Jake Seeley (The Athletic), Bob Harris (FootballGuys)
Episode Focus: Review of a recent 12-team, full PPR, fans-only mock draft (Rounds 1-8 deep dive) – what went right, what went wrong, and actionable trends to dominate your fantasy football league.

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Episode Overview

The episode offers a comprehensive, round-by-round analysis of a fans-only mock draft with strategic takeaways, player value debates, and draft build reviews. Dave Richard is joined by experts Jake Seeley and Bob Harris, who bring alternative perspectives and veteran insights. The show's tone is casual and playful—with a sharp focus on actionable fantasy football advice for 2026 drafts.

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Draft Settings and Structure

• 12 team league
• Full PPR scoring
• Lineup: 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 2 FLEX, 1 QB, 1 TE, no K or DST

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Round-By-Round Analysis and Key Debates

Round 1

Key Selections: Jameer Gibbs, Ja’Marr Chase, Bijan Robinson, Puka Nacua, Jonathan Taylor, JSN, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Christian McCaffrey, Ashton Jeanty, Drake London, Justin Jefferson, Devon Achane

Favorites:

• Bob: Christian McCaffrey at 8th overall
  "As long as he's in the locked and upright position, he's going to get the kind of workload that will give him an opportunity to easily outperform that eighth spot." (05:40)
• Jake: JSN at #6
  "I really like JSN at 6. I could take JSN myself at 4, even arguably 3...he’s in the conversation to be up there with Puka Nakua." (06:03)

Concerns/Picks Disliked:

• Jake: Jonathan Taylor too early
  "It's not that I don't think Jonathan Taylor can be Jonathan Taylor...but I would just rather take him with the back half of the first round." (08:26)
• Dave: Drake London, uncertainty in Atlanta QB/offense
  "I'm a little nervous about how that quarterback situation shakes out...I just don't want to take him in round number one." (12:08)
• Bob: Tiebreak between Taylor and Jefferson, both with question marks (particularly worried about Kyler Murray’s fit with Jefferson)

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Round 2

Key Selections: Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, James Cook, CeeDee Lamb, AJ Brown, Amarian Hampton, Rashee Rice, Kenneth Walker, Nico Collins, George Pickens, Cam Scadaboo

Consensus Favorite:
James Cook (picked 4th in the round)

• Dave: "First round value in round two. ...James Cook has been great the last two years."
• Jake: "The touches include the playoffs could be a concern...but James Cook still doesn't have a thousand touches for his career...I’m not that concerned."
• Bob: "Cook is the best pick.”

Round 2 Critique:

• Cam Scadaboo: Loved the player, hated the price. Seen as a huge overdraft (several rounds too high), but praised as a "plant your flag" move for true believers. (15:17)
• George Pickens: "Close to the ceiling" for what you’d pay.
• Risky Receivers: Rashee Rice flagged for off-field uncertainty; general advice to avoid players with unresolved legal/suspension risk this early in July drafts.
• RB Ranks: Cook > Brown > Barkley ~ Henry (panel consensus). (17:47)

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Round 3

Key Selections: Chris Olave, Jeremiah Love, Zay Flowers, Josh Jacobs, Josh Allen, Brock Bowers (first TE), Devonta Smith, Trey McBride, Breece Hall, Travis Etienne, Tee Higgins, E. Buka

Round 3 Favorites:

• Jake: Devonta Smith
  "We've seen the numbers with and without AJ Brown—putting up 15, 16, 17 points per game without him. Now the #1—it’s why I like him here." (24:52)
• Bob: Brock Bowers
  "Bowers is obviously the best player in that receiving core—de facto wide receiver one. I don’t see him lasting this long."

Best Value (Dave): Trey McBride at 3.08
"I’m still a McBride believer...If I could get Trey at 3.08, I’d be doing cartwheels."

Round 3 Critiques:

• Zay Flowers — consensus least favorite (~28:30): Early for a receiver with middling red-zone and target share; would rather have Smith, Higgins, or Buka.
• Trevor Etienne: Jake dislikes value in New Orleans, still sees workload capped with Kamara present.

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Round 4

Key Selections: Colston Loveland (TE), Kyren Williams, Garrett Wilson, Ladd McConkey, Javonte Williams, Malik Nabers, Luther Burden, Terry McLaurin, D’Andre Swift, Quinshon Judkins, Lamar Jackson, Drake Maye

Round 4 Favorites:

• Jake & Dave: Kyren Williams
  "You're getting him in Round 4, not the second. Sign me up every time." (32:33)
• Bob: Javonte Williams
  "Average 19 opportunities/game, double-digit touches in all 16. Target-rich round, plenty of appealing picks."

Round 4 Critiques:

• Dave: Swift—dislikes value, questions goal-line role; prefers Manugai later.
• Jake: Malik Nabers — “There's no way I'm taking Malik Nabers in the fourth round. I have another six or seven wide receivers, including both right behind him. ...there’s just no way because there’s so much uncertainty.” (37:43)
• Bob: Quinshon Judkins, Browns skepticism/usage blind spot.

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Draft Build/Strategy Analysis (First Four Rounds)

Best-Liked Builds:

• Pick 6: JSN, Hampton, Bowers, Burden (Bob)
  • "If Burden assumes the Amon-Ra role, this is a great start."
• Pick 11: Jefferson, Higgins, Barkley, Kyren Williams (Jake)
  • Well-balanced, lots of ceiling, potential "ideal start."
• Team 3: Bijan, Nico, (would swap Zay Flowers for Devonta, Higgins, Ebuka), Judkins—great balance, flexibility to draft best value in later rounds.

Least-Liked Builds:

• Overloading RBs early (Pick 9): Leaves you too weak at WR ("zero WR" approach without a true WR hero anchor).
• Pick 4 (Puka Nacua, then RB-RB-RB): Lost WR value after round 1, diminishes the hero WR advantage (“Don’t throw away your positional edge!”).

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Rounds 5-8 Highlights

Round 5 Top Picks:

• Favorite: Jalen Waddle (Dave)
  "Landing in Denver, no one to overshadow him. Alpha #1 — legit WR2 value in round 5.”
• David Montgomery (Jake): Texans workload upside.
• Devonte Adams (Bob): "Best goal-line receiver in football. Been consistently productive—love at this price.”

Round 6 Key Points:

• Favorite: Jaden Daniels (Jake)
  "If he finished as the #1 fantasy QB, it wouldn’t shock anybody."
• Mike Evans (Bob): "Alpha in a Shanahan offense, paying for the floor and ignoring the upside."
• Caution flags: Jalen Warren (consensus too pricey), uncertainty in PIT's backfield; Marvin Harrison Jr. less appealing unless Jacoby Brissette is the full-year QB.

Round 7 Tight Ends Run:

• Tucker Kraft (consensus):
  "If he’s healthy, he belongs up with Loveland; a 3-4 round discount for waiting."
• Harold Fannin: Talented, volume play in a weak pass-catching group.
• Dislikes: Jordan Tyson—major injury risk, too soon. Quentin Johnston—volume and role concerns in slow-paced offense.

Round 8 Value:

• Josh Downs (consensus best):
  "Very late for him. Could be a sneaky WR3/top 24. Similar to Wandale but a round and a half cheaper."
• Runner-ups: Jonathan Brooks (RB), Jackson Dart (QB), Rashad White, Ramondre Stevenson.

Disliked:

• Makai Lemon: Love the talent, skeptical about the opportunity (logjam with Smith, Hurts, Goedert in the Eagles’ passing attack).
• Jacoby Myers: “Reliable, but always third on the Jags’ pecking order” (Jake).

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Draft-Wide Strategic Themes and Takeaways

• Value QBs and TEs: Almost no teams double-dip at QB/TE early (nor should they).
• Late-summer uncertainty: Be wary of unresolved suspensions (Rice, Jacobs) or major injury recoveries; don’t overreact with early picks.
• Zero-RB builds are riskier than ever: Depth RBs are going earlier, it’s harder to execute—make sure you have two locked-in starters by round 6.
• Don’t overreact to new team buzz: E.g., Mike Evans’ role in SF is capped, but at a discount he’s fine.
• Manage “favorites” bias: Don’t overdraft your favorite sleeper before ADP—let the value fall to you!
• “Who’s the discount?” In ambiguous backfields/wideout groups, chase the cheaper option (Dowdle > Warren, for example).

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Team Reviews – Panel’s Most/Less Favorite Teams (Through 8 rounds)

• Best Liked:

  • Pick 6 (Bob): JSN, Hampton, Bowers, Burden
  • Pick 11 (Jake): Jefferson, Higgins, Barkley, Kyren Williams
  • Pick 3 (Dave): Bijan, Nico, optimal Round 3 WR, Judkins — strong balance, flexibility

• Least Liked:

  • Pick 9: 3 RBs + 1 WR to start—leaves you too thin at WR
  • Pick 4: Elite WR, then 4 consecutive RBs—sacrifices positional edge, weakens team’s ceiling
  • Pick 10 (Dave): Overreached on London and RBs, passed on better WR/value plays in first four rounds
  • "Zero RB" team with Neighbors: (Jake) Risky but could hit if two RBs pop, but requires luck and maxed-out waivers

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cam Scadaboo's Round Two ADP:
  “I don’t walk into Starbucks and pay twelve dollars for my six dollar coffee...but I do love Scadaboo. This is way too early. But if you’re a Scadaboo guy, stake your claim!” – Bob, 15:17

• On Off-field Suspensions:
  “Can you remember a player that had a terrible offseason then wasn’t suspended and had a monster year? It’s rare—Tyreek Hill, Adrian Peterson, that’s all I got.” – Jake, 20:05

• On 2026 Draft’s Sweet Spot:
  “Round five was all puppies and rainbows...now we’re in the gutter.” – Jake, 53:46

• On Stacking QBs and TEs Early:
  “Props to the 12 drafters for not taking a quarterback and tight end on the same team in the first four rounds—you really shouldn’t do it in the first five rounds. There are too many great running backs and wide receivers!” – Dave, 46:01

• On Overvaluing Unproven Rookies:
  "Lemon's a great talent, but not at 100. No TAs, hopefully he'll be 100 for the start of the season. ...I just don't see the Eagles offense supporting two WR and a TE." – Dave, 78:04

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Closing Thoughts

• Fantasy draft season is here; this mock offers a blueprint of where consensus is, and where you can find value.
• Read the experts (Find Bob at FootballGuys.com, Jake at The Athletic, SiriusXM, and their podcasts for even deeper dives).

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Transcript

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[Jake Seeley]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Dave Richard]

We are two weeks away from training camp opening across the NFL. This is the perfect time to do a mock draft which I didn't take part in, these other guys didn't take part in, but to review it and tell you what went right and what went wrong. So that way when you get to your drafts in two, three, four, five, six weeks, you'll be ready to go. Welcome in to fantasy football today. It's Dave Richard. Two of the greatest fantasy football minds couldn't make it to the show today. So instead we got Jake Seeley from the Athletic and Bob Harris from Football Guys, two dear friends of mine in the industry. Two guys with interesting opinions. I've been following their work for years and I know that their opinions are rock solid. And I'm hoping to get their perspectives on some players that maybe we haven't quite gotten from our crew here on fantasy football today. Bob, you're the older one of the two.

[Bob Harris]

I am.

[Dave Richard]

I give you the floor.

[Jake Seeley]

First.

[Dave Richard]

How are things going at football guys?

[Bob Harris]

Things are going fantastic. Staying busy. The serious shows just cranked up this week, so you'll catch me there five days a week and once the season Starts, it'll be seven. No, there's no escape. I apologize to everyone who feels that way. But yeah, it's been, it's been ongoing. Been doing all the best ball drafts, having a good time all offseason long doing the things we like to do. So. So, yeah, I'm ready to. Ready to roll here. I think, I think there's some, some interesting values going on right now in the fantasy football world, and I think we'll discuss some in this very program.

[Dave Richard]

We will absolutely go round by round and talk. Not necessarily pick by pick, but round by round for sure. Jake, how was life at the Athletic?

[Jake Seeley]

It is great.

[Bob Harris]

Yeah.

[Jake Seeley]

You one up my joke. I was going to jump in when you said two of the greatest and I was going to say and Jake. And then so to give you your flowers and then you. You made it even better. But things are good over at the Athletic. This month is all the breakout series, as I always do. And it's fun to do these mock drafts, especially with great minds like you. Two guys I looked up to when I started in this industry to make that clear. When I started, two guys I looked up to.

[Dave Richard]

And now you're kicking ass.

[Jake Seeley]

And.

[Dave Richard]

And we're not. So it's great that you are. You chose this path instead of just staying on the sideline and following along. Thanks a lot, Jake.

[Bob Harris]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

Once upon a time, Jake was a fan. And that's who we got for this draft. 12 fans. You know that I've been putting together these fans only mock drafts. And so this week we had 12 fans from Fantasy football today get together in a draft room. And this is the draft. Here it is for all to see. And you'll notice this is the CBS Sports draft room, the draft board. This is an upgrade for 2026. You guys will love it. You can easily see who went where at which pick, which position. All that good stuff and we're just going to walk through it round by round. No surprises in the first round. For those listening, let me break it down for you. And remember, 12 team, full PPR. Start two running backs. Start two wide receivers. Start two flex. I always like that suitable lineup better. Just because you've got more options, a little bit more flexibility. One tight end, one quarterback, no kickers, no DSTs. Who the hell needs those positions? Jake could go on for hours about the kickers. We're not going there, Jake. Zip your lips. We're not talking kickers today. Here's round one. Jameer Gibbs, Jamar Chase, John Robinson, Pukinakua, Jonathan Taylor, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. I think that that's going to end up being a consensus top six followed by and and things will get a little weird in a couple picks here. Aman Ross, St. Brown went seventh. Christian McCaffrey eighth. Ashton Genty ninth. How about Drake London going 10th. Justin Jefferson 11th, Devon Achan going 12th. That's the first round. There is no James Cook in the first round. There is no CD Lamb in the first round, no Chase Brown. Bob, I'll go to you first. You got a favorite pick in round one?

[Bob Harris]

Yeah. You know, like round one is a funny thing because we're drafting everyone at their ceiling, right. So, you know, you need them to come through and they either will or they won't. So that being the case, I'm gonna say Christian McCaffrey going eight is probably my favorite pick. Realizing yes, he is older through over 30, by golly, yes, he's coming off a 400 plus touch season, but also, yes, Kyle Shanahan cannot quit him. As long as he's in the locked and upright position, he is going to get the kind of workload that will give him an opportunity to easily outperform that eighth spot.

[Dave Richard]

Jake, you agree? Is it McCaffrey?

[Jake Seeley]

I had two and looking at this, one of them was going to be McCaffrey because he fell that far. Because I think there's an argument that he's the third running back. You could argue if he's the third running back that he should be inside the top five. I think the only hesitation is of thought just now in his career. But I was slightly leaning more like I just really like JSN at 6. I could take JSN myself at 4, even arguably 3. We're just talking coming off last year, I don't have a problem with Chase being the first wide receiver. It's just strange to me going what we just saw JSN do to break out. It was Nakua and JSN were the top two. He outscored Chase by quite a bit, that being Smith and Jigba. So I think the fact that you can get him as the third wide receiver when I think he's in the conversation to be up there with Puka Nakua. I like him at six there.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, a lot of people do. And people see that Jackson, Smith and Jigba after the year that he had. And don't forget about the half year he had in 2024 he averaged. And I needed to be reminded of this in the second half of 2024, over 17 PPR points per game. That was the setup for him to go to that next level in 2025 when he averaged north of 20 PPR points per game as the clear number one target in Seattle. And I think game script is going to be better for him this year. I'm real curious about how that offense is going to look in the red zone without Zach Charbonnet, without Kenneth Walker, not the Walker was a big factor in the red zone. I wonder if there's going to be a little bit more passing for Jackson, Smith and jigba inside the 20s. And as for Christian McCaffrey, I wasn't wowed by that pick. I still see him as a first round guy and I think that's the right place to take him. I'm not going to get into my whole diatribe about the touches and in the age and all that other stuff. You can find that on CBSSports.com or you could Google Dave Richard Christian McCaffrey and it should come up right there. Maybe add fantasy football to your Google search and you'll get it right away. But when he's had a lot of work previously, he's broken down the years after. And I said years plural, because there was a time that there were two years that he missed. It really didn't help fantasy managers because of injuries. So I'm a little bit nervous about that. I always hate that argument too. Well, he could get hurt and if that's the only argument, then you should still take that guy. And that's why I still see him as a first round pick. So that's who we liked in the first round. Who did we hate in the first round? Jake, first word to you.

[Jake Seeley]

I think it's hard to really as Ziggy's getting riled up in the background. I think it's hard to hate anybody in the first round. As Bob said, you know, we're drafting all at their peaks. So if we're going to be nitpicky here, I say the only one that I don't love because of where he went is Jonathan Taylor. It's not that I don't think Jonathan Taylor can be Jonathan Taylor. And here's the thing. If The Colts went 17 and oh, Jonathan Taylor would be the 101, 101. He'd be better than Ladan Thomason because here's the stat. I'm going to throw out 30 points per game in wins, 10 in losses. And we saw how bad it was down the stretch. Those losses, a lot of them Incorporated. No Daniel Jones. We're just banking on Daniel Jones. Hopefully there's still no clear clarity on if he's going to be 100% for week one. And then that's one of the biggest, possibly the biggest I can remember for my entire career of the difference between wins and losses. To have that big a 20 point per game gap, that's an RB1 gap. That's a top five gap. So it's just the fact that, like, I don't mind Taylor in the first round. I would just rather take him with the back half of the first round. So again, we're being nitpicky. It's the first round.

[Dave Richard]

I don't mean to put you on the spot and if you don't have this information, just say so. We can always look for it after the show and then post it on social media. Do you have the difference in wins and losses for JT when Daniel Jones played?

[Jake Seeley]

No, I don't.

[Bob Harris]

The drop off was dramatic.

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah, it was. Yeah.

[Bob Harris]

Just the overall offensive drop off was huge. I think that was the problem. The Colts went from one of the best offenses in football to one of the worst. And all the big, you know, big games, the big runs, everything evaporated at that point. So I kind of, I tend to agree a little bit. I mean, I think Taylor's a little bit high there as well, but. But I think there's a handful of guys here. I mean, like, you know, you can make arguments as I sat here trying to score him like Drake London. Am I confident in his quarterback situation? Not necessarily. I would like to see, you know, Michael Penix Jr. In there. We saw the, the numbers last year were, were stark with, with, with and without panics. Although, although London was hurt during that span too. And Justin Jefferson, like, I, I felt like, you know, Kyler Murray would be. And I guess, you know, we've seen Justin Jefferson. He has totally earned the quarterback proof card. But there is a J.J. mcCarthy exception on that license. Right. We saw last year was horrible. So I'm not sure. And I was pretty convinced Kyler Murray was going to be the starting quarterback until Kyler Murray started. KYLER Murraying during OTAs. So I'm a little less confident that. So I have some uncertainty. Like Jesse Jefferson, a great player, a great fantasy asset. He could well be again. I just, you know, when I look at some of the guys going in the second round, I think, man, I might have, I might have played it a little safer.

[Dave Richard]

It's one thing to say, well, he can't do any worse with Kyler Murray than he did with J.J. mcCarthy. But imagine saying he could do worse than how he did with Carson Wentz with. With Kyler Murray. Because with Wentz he was pretty. He was good. He wasn't Justin Jefferson good. He wasn't 18 PPR points per game good. I think the number was 16 and a half in those five games.

[Bob Harris]

We can go back like two years ago and what it was. Josh Dobbs.

[Dave Richard]

You talk about this all the time.

[Bob Harris]

Nick Mullins. I mean, he was wide receiver three with those quarterbacks over like a five game stretch.

[Dave Richard]

So he just needs a competent quarterback. Is Kyler a competent quarterback? That's the question we kind of have to ask ourselves. Not now, we don't have to answer it now. But when camp opens in two weeks, are we going to be hearing reports about Murray getting it and clicking and being in sync, or are we going to hear about what we heard about in OTAs?

[Jake Seeley]

Jake, I was going to say, I did the quick math for you and I found it. So there was a 20 point per game difference for the entire season. Just with Daniel Jones, it was 19.7. So it was almost exact. Yeah. So basically a huge difference with and without Daniel is basically right in line with what the issues were. So there you go.

[Dave Richard]

Bob, did you say who you hated the most in round one? Was it London? Was it Jefferson? Is it a tie for first?

[Bob Harris]

If I, if I had to pick one, it would probably. I would probably go with Jake and say Jonathan Taylor. Just for how high he went. I'm seeing him not go that, that early in drafts, but I can make the argument for him. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go off Jake and I'm gonna go ahead and say Justin Jefferson.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And I'll say Drake London. Because I'm a little nervous about how that quarterback situation shakes out the change in the offense. I think they might try forcing some passes to other wide receivers. They're not a ton of. I still think London's the guy. I just don't want to take him in round number one. So let's kick it over to round number two, favorite pick in round two. I'll go first. I love James Cook. I think James Cook is a first round pick. Seeing him go in the second round, it made me wish that I had that team. Because James Cook has been great the last two years. I worry about the workload that he just had. 385 touches, I believe is the number that's pretty close to 400 touches and for a guy who's as lean as James Cook, it does concern me a little bit. So when I do draft James Cook, I also get Ray Davis just in case of emergency. And we have seen Ray Davis play well without James Cook on the field before. But I thought that that was the best pick in the second round because that's first round value in round two. Jake Seeley, I'm going to go to you first. Who is the best pick in round two?

[Jake Seeley]

Because you saw me nodding my head and complete agreement with you is that James Cook was. As soon as I saw him around to, I'm like, that's my pick. I'll let Bob, like argue for somebody else instead of trying somebody else. Because off the cuff, like, I just did a show yesterday talking about James Cook and everything you said, yeah, the touches include the playoffs could be a concern. But Ian Hardest did something a few weeks ago talking about how, like we picked these arbitrary numbers of 3, 7, 3, 8, 0, 400, whatever it is, so he can cut off. And I'm saying you guys are doing this so we can cut off certain names and make it look more stark. And it's like the count doesn't really matter to me because James Cook still doesn't have a thousand touches for his career. Like, it's not like he's coming off multiple season this. And Tim, to your point, point, he actually improved his yards per touch, both rushing and receiving, despite having a hundred more carries. Everybody's like, oh, he can't have 16 touchdowns again. Okay, so he only had 12. He also had 600 more rushing yards on 100 more attempts. So I'm not that concerned about James Cook's workload at this point. Maybe in two years, but just not

[Dave Richard]

yet before I get your pick. Bob, it probably would do some good to actually tell everybody who went in round two, especially for those listening and now watching on YouTube. So forgive me, this is how round two went. Chase Brown, first pick around two. Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, James Cook. Okay, so James Cook went after Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry. We could talk about that. Maybe not. We'll see what, what Bob says about who his favorite pick was. Before we do that, after those four running backs, plenty of wide receivers. C.D. lamb, fifth pick around two. A.J. brown, sixth pick of round two. Amarian Hampton, followed by Rasheed Rice, K. Kenneth Walker III, 21st overall, ninth pick of round two, Nico Collins, George Pickens, and the last pick of round two. And I got a feeling there's going to Be consensus on who our least favorite pick is in round two. Cam Scatter Boo of the New York Giants was the last pick in the second round. But we're not talking about the pick that we don't like. We're talking about the pick we like the most. Bob, who is your favorite pick in round two?

[Bob Harris]

It is. It is cooked. But since we're going to, you know, since you guys both hit that, I mean, I think you could make an argument for Nico Collins going at the tail end of round two. I see him going there a lot. I think there's more upside there. I could say the same though for CD Lamb, A.J. brown. I mean, we've seen A.J. brown get two top five seasons in his career. Could he do another one in fantasy? Easily, right? We've seen CD Lamb head into seasons as a wide receiver. One, he could be the best cook is the best pick. But I think there's a ton of great picks here. But I'm gonna go a little bit, a little bit askew from what you're saying. Cam Scatterboo is the pick I both love and hate. I love it because I love him. But I mean, obviously I'm gonna go all Jeff Ratcliffe here. I don't walk into Starbucks and pay twelve dollars for my six dollar coffee. Right? And I mean. And that's what happened here. So. So you hate that portion of it. But I do love Scatterboo and I think he is undervalued in normal drafts where you're finding him going around 4 on the norm. I think he's a great pick there. This is way too early. So I do hate it. But I also, I kind of love it. Like if you're, like if you're a Scatter Boo guy, I mean, make your claim, go for it. And so love hate there. Also hate George Pickens in this round. You know, players coming off the great, unusually great seasons with some circumstances that may have set him up for it. I think he's just going a little high.

[Dave Richard]

I did the research on how often wide receivers Repeat as top 12 PPR point per game finishers from season to season. There's been one set since 2014 and it was in Minnesota with Diggs and Thielen. Bengals guys came close last year. They were both top 13. But if we're drafting George Pickens in round two, it's absolutely close to the ceiling. I go back and forth, Bob, on whether or not I love George Pickens or like them. I tend to agree that Pickens would, I think it's okay in this round. I don't necessarily love it, but the scatter boost pick sitting at the end of round two just absolutely stands out to me. I've got my rankings open. I'd like to hear it from you guys. And then Jake, I'll ask you which pick you hated the most in round two. Assuming that it wasn't scatter boo, how do you have the four running backs that went at the top of round two ranked? It's Chase Brown. This is the order they went. Chase Brown, Saquon, Barkley, Derrick Henry, James Cook. I've got Cook first. I've got Saquon and Henry back to back and. And Chase Brown is actually ahead of those guys. So for me, it's Cook one, Chase Brown two Barkley, Henry, back to back. All them top 20 picks in fantasy. Bob, how do you have it?

[Bob Harris]

I have that exactly the same. Although, like, I kind of hope when I'm picking Saquon Barkley that somebody right ahead of me picks him. So I could take Derek Henry.

[Dave Richard]

Got it. Jake, Give me your 4 how you have them ranked and then tell me who you hated in round two.

[Jake Seeley]

I wish I could be different, but I mean, there's a reason we're together. Is the exact same order as both of you. Like those chuckling as you listed in the Mountain. I was like, maybe he'll be different at the some of them, but no, the same four in order that you have. And it's between Scoo and Rice. Just because we don't know as of today. Like, I just. If this was a month and a half from then, I know that's kind of the easy pick to make. But like, if I'm taking a gamble on somebody for a top 10 talent, like, I get it, but I'm just not going to do it at this point where there's still so much uncertainty that we don't know, like, we're going to talk. I don't know if he'll be one of the picks that we hate later. But the Jacob situation, you know, it sounds like it's not going to be something that affects this season, but at the same time for where he's going, it's just not a risk. In July. I'm going to take maybe a month and a half from now when we have more clarity.

[Dave Richard]

Can you guys remember a player? And I'm not doing this to quiz you. I'm just openly asking this question. And if you don't know the answer now, think about it and let me know after if someone's watching, put it in the comments. A player that had some off field issues and then ended up not getting suspended and having a really good year is there. Just think about it for a while. Just put that in mind because that's kind of what's happening with Josh Jacobs is this is obviously a huge off field distraction for him. I don't know if it's, if it's so bad that like he's paralyzed on his couch and he can't go and work out or, you know, can't do all the things that he normally does. He's a professional athlete. Of course he's preparing like he's going to play this season. But it makes me wonder how often it's been, and it's obviously been rare when a player has had this terrible off season issue and then he goes out and he has a monster year. And so if you guys have some ideas on who that is, let us know in the comments. Let us know in the chat, whatever it may be.

[Bob Harris]

I will say I was pretty encouraged by watching Rishi Rice sprint away from reporters at jail. He seemed to be moving quite well.

[Dave Richard]

Which, which did you like better? That or Malik Neighbors running in a softball game? Which one is more impactful for your fantasy analysis?

[Jake Seeley]

That's a very generous use of the word running.

[Bob Harris]

Right. Yeah, I, I, that, that, I think that cost him about a round of adp. That, that one single thing.

[Jake Seeley]

When we go. I cheated with chat GPT on this in the past, in the past 25 years. No, 15 years. Sorry, 15 years to 2000. So Adrian Peterson, 2012, came off the ACL, but a lot of off field questions about his future and ran for 2100 yards. And then Tyreek Hill in 2023, had all that stuff with the marina and legal scrutiny and then led the NFL in 1800 yards. 1799.

[Dave Richard]

He went nuclear that year.

[Jake Seeley]

But there's two in the past 15

[Dave Richard]

years, two damn good players too. At least at the time. They were, they were amazing. And nobody really everybody was buying into just how talented they were at the time and they weren't as worried about the off field issues catching up with them. All right, when we come back, round three, our favorite picks, our least favorite picks. We'll do the same thing in round four and then we'll talk about draft builds from the first four rounds. Plenty more to come from this fan mock draft on fantasy football today.

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You may have noticed in the first two rounds, no tight ends, no quarterbacks. That changed in Round three. But not at the top of Round three. People at the two three turn did not gravitate toward those positions. Instead, here's how Round three shook out. And again, this is for the listeners. Everybody watching has already seen who was taken in Round three, so thank you for being patient with me. Listeners, pay attention. Chris Olave, first pick around three, followed by Jeremiah Love. Zay Flowers, third pick of Round three. Josh Jacobs just got done talking about him. He went in round three. That's 20th overall on Jacobs. Josh Allen off the board at 29. Brock Bowers, the first tight end 30th, fifth overall. Devonte Smith 31st, that's 3.7. Trey McBride after that, followed by Breeze Hall, Travis Ichan, T. Higgins and A. Mecca Buka. So I've got five wide receivers, I've got four running backs, one quarterback, two tight ends. Jake, who's your favorite in round three?

[Jake Seeley]

Ooh, round three. I it's this I like a lot here in round three. That's the problem is I'm looking at this and like man, I want to pick like five or six different guys, but I mean for pure value I'm gonna give this slight lean to Devonta Smith just because we've seen the numbers with and without A.J. brown. He's been a top 10 wide receiver with A.J. brown and a top 10 wide receiver without him in those games. And you have the splits. You find any site out there that has the splits and he's putting up 15, 16, 17 points per game without AJ Brown. And now we all talk about this offense under Sean Manion potentially opening things up back into the passing game with Jalen hurts more play action and all this type of stuff and he's now the number one. So I think that devonte Smith in this range is why I like him. But like I said this is, this is almost as nitpicky as round one. I like a lot in this round.

[Dave Richard]

You're Are you okay taking Devonte Smith over both tight ends? Just generally speaking.

[Jake Seeley]

So yes. But also because I think later in the draft I think Loveland isn't far from them. To get him at the discount. This is kind of looking ahead and jumping ahead here, but to get him at a discount of a round, round and a half in general, this is much closer than a normally seen it. But to get him later at what I still think is the tier one of those three tight ends.

[Dave Richard]

That's why Got it Bob. Your favorite in round three.

[Bob Harris]

I'll go with Bowers and Devontae Smith was in the conversation for me for all the reasons Jake said. But you know, a little uncertainty with the offense. I think Clint Kubiak showing up in Las Vegas with that, you know, Shanahan style offense is going to serve and Brock Bowers obviously being the best player in that receiving core de facto wide receiver one and I don't see him lasting this long. I think I was interested to see both him and McBride lasting in the third round. I I don't know that I've seen that in a single draft that I've done this year and I'm probably up close to triple digits in drafts.

[Dave Richard]

I have rarely seen it as well. I'm always looking for the second of those two tight ends. Whichever one I get second, I feel like it's great value. You saw gamer Eric in the chat say that he'd be doing cartwheels if he got brock Bowers at 30th. I would be doing cartwheels if I could get Trey McBride at 3.08. I think that that's the best value and I'm still a McBride believer. I still think that Arizona will target him a ton. I love that it's LaFleur now calling the plays in Arizona. I'm not huge on Michael Wilson. I'm not huge on Marvin Harrison Jr. I think McBride's the best target. And after catch, well, not necessarily after catch in terms of like speed, but just power and making plays being a factor closer to the goal line. I think he's got all that going for him and I think it would be very smart of Michael Flor to keep leaning into him. And as long as Jacoby Brissette's the quarterback, whether it's for eight games, 10 games, 17 games, we know what his tendency is to lean into tight ends. And McBride certainly proved that last year Once Brissette got into the. Onto the field and in the game, I. I love Zay Flowers, the talent. I didn't like him going at 303. I think that's. That's maybe close to a full round too soon. As excited as I am about Declan Doyle being the new play caller in Baltimore, I still can't help but feel like there will be some spreading of the ball. We know that he's not a huge factor near the. In the red zone, near the goal line, and it's going to be a lot of big plays and he's just. He's always been around 6.5 to 6.8 targets per game, and that's good. He's going to be good for fantasy. He's a top 16 fantasy receiver, but I don't see him as a round three pick. So that was my least favorite pick. I see that. Devonte Smith went after him. Higgins, a buka. I'll take all three of those wide receivers easily ahead of Zay Flowers. Bob, do you have a least favorite pick in round three?

[Bob Harris]

Same as you. And I felt like until you went through your entire diatribe there, I felt like, man, I'm gonna be exposed for my blind spot with Zay Flowers. I feel like I've had that since his arrival. And so, you know, you look at the numbers last year, I mean, this isn't that crazy a pick, but. But I don't. It's my least favorite of this round. And I'll say I'm McBride. You know, I don't like paying the historic premium. You know, when a player comes off that historic season because they're hard to repeat. But I do think that, you know, in the third round, that's pretty, pretty good value. The question is about Brissette. He's not going to get a go. 1 and 11 this year. He's going to need to win some games.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Their schedule is impossible. I don't know if you've looked at it. I'm not going to read it to you. You can go find it, pause our video, go find the Cardinal schedule, and then come back to us. It is T U F F tough. Jake, is it three for three on Zay Flowers?

[Jake Seeley]

No, I don't mind it as much as you guys do, but it really comes down to I'm trying to put myself in the 303 position and being like, yeah, Devonte Smith, T Higgins, Ibuka, I would agree with you. I would argue for them over him. But, you know, if you feel like he has the slight edge, you're not going to get him on the way back. That's such a slow or a long laid off to have your fourth round pick. And so if you're thinking wide receiver there, like, I just, I'm just trying to like give team one a little bit of a pass there. I don't hate as much as you guys, so mine is actually more and it only has to do because of today and what we all assumed was going to happen. It's not that I hate Trevor A. Chan, it's just the fact that Camara's still around and I know Camara is washed at this point. We can make the jokes of what he is, but at the same time we're talking about Achan going from the Jags to the Saints. And I know the Saints impressed last year for what people thought they could do, but I would still call it a downgrade in the offense. And I still think having Camara around means that the workload we saw him get with the Jaguars will probably be similar. I know they paid him all the money, but I think there was the money expecting a higher workload if there was no Camara. So it's just the fact that looking. This is one you just did. Looking behind him. I'll take both the Williams. I'll take Swift. I'll take Judkins if he's healthy. That's a big question. As of today, I would even probably have a tough time. This is two rounds later. Probably have a tough time between Montgomery and ETN as or A Chan. As to today, I almost had it three for three saying his name right.

[Dave Richard]

He almost got there. We're all getting used to it. It'll take a year for us to get it right, but we've all got it. With his younger brother in Carolina, we're already calling him HN as well. So it.

[Jake Seeley]

It did everybody ask the brother if they like if Travis is telling the truth.

[Dave Richard]

Let's, let's move forward. Let's go to round four. We're gonna give our favorite pick our least favorite pick in round four and then we're gonna talk about the builds in round four. Here's how it shook out the first pick of round four. And, and we talked about, you know, that that tear break between the top two tight ends and then Colson Loveland. It definitely feels like Loveland is a consensus tight end. Three in fantasy this year it wasn't that much. He was the first pick of the fourth round. He was followed by Kyron Williams, Garrett Wilson, Ladd McConkey, Javante Williams, Malik Neighbors, sixth pick of round four. That's 42nd overall. Luther Burden went right after him. Terry McLaurin went right after him. DeAndre Swift. And then the round ended with Quinn shot Judkins at 10, Lamar Jackson at 11, Drake May at number 12. So two quarterbacks to end the round, a tight end to begin the round. Four running backs, five wide receivers sandwiched in between. Jake, who was your favorite pick in round four?

[Jake Seeley]

Man, I love four of the first five picks. Garrett Wilson, I don't mind, but he's not the other four of the ones I Loveland, like I said, I love getting the discount. I, I, I thought my projections were crazy, but the last time I thought they were crazy was when Lamar Jackson has MVP season and he ranked out as the number two quarterback. He should have been number one. I actually pushed him down my projections when I did him spat out Loveland as number one. I still don't know if I would take him number one at tight end, but again I go to that argument of I think there's a big three, but Kyron Williams there, I, I'm just, I, I feel like I've done this for this for the past three years. Everybody's talking Blake Corm now. Well, Blake Corm, what If he gets 40% of the touches he had 39% last year. Those are the 1% is going to make the difference. The Rams are going to continue to use Kyren Williams the way they use, continue to use him, especially the goal line and one of the best offenses. He's going to get the touchdowns, he's going to get the touches. I understand Kyron and the fear of Corum, but the good news is you're not taking Kyron in the second round. You're taking him in the fourth. And I would do that every day if you could sign me up in all of my drafts and just say, Jake, you don't have a fourth rounder. It's always Kyron Williams. I would take that today.

[Dave Richard]

His PPR per game average has actually declined three straight years. Last year it was 15.5. But if you look at the 11 games, including the postseason, when Corum was playing 30% or more of the snaps, so that's lower than 40%. But there were some games where he was around 40%, a few where he was even higher. He was averaging almost 16 PPR points per game, and that was on two and a half targets per game. He had 11 total touchdowns. Touchdowns. A big part of the of Kyron Williams fantasy profile. That was my favorite pick of round four. Was it yours too, Bob?

[Bob Harris]

No. Many aggravators have told aggregators have told me that's going to be a 50, 50 split. Come on now. No, I, I do like the pick. I'm gonna go the other William. I'm gonna go with Javante. Average 19 opportunities a game. Double digit touches in all 16 games. 62 red zone touches, fifth most in the among running backs ranked pretty highly in targets. Is in the top 12 in and and running back targets as well so. And I think we're getting a good discount on them. I don't, you know, I know there's some jaden blue buzz but it's not like Blake Corum like buzz so I'm gonna go in on Williams here. I like either of the Williams. I think this was a target rich round. There's an awful lot of players I liked a lot that went in this round and, and I think you know Williams who finishes what running back 12 last year or right up, you know, right in one running back one territory. I think he's a great guy. Value here.

[Dave Richard]

I, I think this was a good value too. I like the Kyron Williams value a lot more. But Javante certainly still at the top of that depth chart for Dallas. He is also a little bit touchdown dependent and you saw it in the first half of the year. His first eight games, 18.6 PPR points per game. Man, he was looking like he was just going to be the runaway Cinderella pick of the fantasy season. He had nine touchdowns to help him. In his last eight games, only four touchdowns and 11.8 PPR points per game. The dude needs to score touchdowns in order to, to come through. My least favorite pick in the round again, I agree with you guys. I thought round four was stellar. I didn't love DeAndre Swift going at nine in round four. I think he's more of a round five pick. It's a little nitpicky of me to say that, but I really liked a lot of the other players. I was even okay with the quarterbacks going when they went this. I, I'm always a fan of, of waiting until you get a quarterback at a steal. Steel and I felt like Lamar Jackson and Drake May with their upside and the weapons they have in their offense and certainly with what Lamar can do with his legs. Yeah, we're talking about two guys that are steals when you're getting them in round four. They're both capable of finishing his QB1, so a little bit of a nitpick to say DeAndre Swift, but a guy who's going to be sharing carries right up there to the same level as what we talked about with Kyron Williams, except he's not guaranteed the goal line work as much as Kyron is. And, and I kind of like Manangai in, in some ways better than Swift.

[Jake Seeley]

I'm.

[Dave Richard]

Maybe it's just because I'm a Swift hater and I've never been a huge DeAndre Swift fan and last year he proved me wrong and I had to kind of get on board. But even so, I feel like 45th overall just a little bit too rich for my blood.

[Bob Harris]

Bob, I think that you did you even have one? I, I, there's no one I hated. I'm gonna go with punch on junkins because it's like the Zay Flowers kind of thing. I just have a little bit of a blind spot for Cleveland Browns in general. You know, I'd rather but, but I do think he'll have a great role. I think in Swift's case though, the argument is are they going to make him a more integral part of the passing attack like he was in Detroit under Ben Johnson? I think quite a. I don't know if it's double the targets, but he got more targets. I think the Bears think there's more room for him there but he, he too had the good fortune of touchdowns last year. So a little bit concerning but I'm going to go with Judkins. Sounds like he's healthy. They've upgraded the offensive line. Todd Monkin ran the ball like crazy in Baltimore. There's probably a lot to like about this yet still I don't feel comfortable with it.

[Dave Richard]

I mean there was a reason why he ran the ball crazy in Baltimore. Yeah, Derek Henry. That's a pretty good reason. I don't know if that's necessarily something that's. That's tracked with Todd Monkin over the course of his career. I'm frantically looking for my notes on it. Yeah, in 2025, eight times a running back at 15 plus PPR. That's low for Baltimore. Only eight times that happened. Derek Henry didn't have a great year till the end of last year. In 2024 it was 13 times. Again, we're talking about Derrick Henry. 2023 Baltimore. This is before Derrick Henry got there. Only six times. A lot of Gus Edwards. How about that poll? Gus Edwards back in our lives. 2019 in Cleveland eight times a running back did it 2018 in Tampa five times. So I'll Stand by my comment when he doesn't have Derrick Henry. Not necessarily a guy that's going to lean totally into the run game. And that being said, I do think volume will work in Judkins favor. And it does look like he's going to be healthy to start training camp. And that's really an important thing. Jake, did you tell me who you didn't like in round four?

[Jake Seeley]

No. And I hate this pick. And there's only one pick in this round that I absolutely hate. I don't disagree too much with either of your picks, but Malik Neighbors. There's no way I'm taking Malik Neighbors in the fourth round. I'm not taking them as a top 20 wide receiver. Actually, I'm a 26 in my rankings and it's kind of a way of saying I'll take him as my third. Now, let me say this. Because of the team who took him, it kind of makes a little bit of sense. Because he's the fourth wide receiver. You can afford to do that. I'm purely more looking at value of only looking at the fourth round. And I have another six or seven wide receivers, including both the guys right behind him. Jalen, Waddle, McMillan. Sneak preview on possibly loving that pick the next round, Watson and others. It's just like there's just no way because there's so much uncertainty. Like, does he start in the pup? Is it six weeks? Is it four weeks? Is it back to Saquon Barkley? And I know he was a giant at that time, but.

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[Jake Seeley]

Even if he's ready for week one, we don't even see 100% of what neighbors can be until October. So I just. I hate taking him in the fourth round. That's really the issue.

[Dave Richard]

If I told you that he would participate in two weeks of training camp and that from week seven on he would average 15 on the dot, 15 PPR points per game. Where are you drafting Malik Neighbors? Is this about the right spot?

[Jake Seeley]

No, I would go one more round. I would keep him right around where I have him at like 25, maybe move him up to 22 again because at that point that's six weeks that I got. I'll have him as my wide receiver three, because wide receiver three is going to be volatile anyway. I just don't want them as my two or to leave value, especially at running back or another position on the board to make that pick. Like, that's a long way to wait.

[Bob Harris]

The roster construction is the key here. I mean, like, that it works for this team. But I think in general, if you're counting on him to be one of your frontline players, you better be ready to chill for a month or so and figure it out.

[Dave Richard]

Speaking of roster construction, talk about the builds. A lot of different ways to go about building your team this year is there which, which pick one through 12 had the, the build that you like the most? Bob from, from the 12 drafters in

[Bob Harris]

our, in our mock I like team six. I thought he did a great job. I like to start with Smith and Jigbo, Marion Hampton, Brock Bowers, Luther Bird. In the third we're all going to take Ben Johnson's word for it and put our money on but to make the bet on Luther Burden to emerge as kind of the Amon Ross St. Brown role in that offense, then, then this, this is going to be a great start.

[Dave Richard]

I watched Luther Burden's playoff film yesterday because I'm just trying to get just as, as good of a sense as I can about how they used him late in the year. They were obviously comfortable using him late in the year. As a rookie he was getting the offense, he was getting the playing time. He had a lot of third and fourth, fourth down targets. So those money downs, those gotta have it plays. Caleb went to him and sometimes it worked out and sometimes it didn't. The, the two I I didn't love his physicality. There were times in the Green Bay game where defensive backs were just absolutely mauling him in his route and the play was over like he couldn't get off press coverage. I don't know if he's got the strength to consistently improve on that and be better at that, but boy, the speed, the quickness. I think he's got good hands. Obviously that's an offense that's going to throw a lot of. There were a lot of layup targets for him, those easy short throws and he can make guys miss. Man, he's got that agility that, that can help him make the first guy miss and that adds yardage after the catch that, that encouraged me on Luther Burden. It's why he wasn't even close to being the worst pick in this round and why I'm comfortable taking somebody who really didn't have a great stat line and only had a few highlight plays throughout the course of the season going in round four. So I, I get where you're coming from and I like that build too. It wasn't my favorite before. I tell you my favorite.

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[Dave Richard]

Jake, which one was yours?

[Jake Seeley]

Matt SF49 the 49er Fan UK. That sounds like from the overseas.

[Dave Richard]

Sounds like. Sounds like pick 11 in our mock.

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah. Yes. Pick 11, Jefferson, Higgins and then Barkley and Kyron. I mean I went on and on about like getting Kyron as your two after you already had three picks in Jefferson and Higgins and Barkley and I know like we talked about Jefferson earlier in the show but. But if kyler is even 90% Kyler, that's still 100% better than anything they threw out there last year. And to get Jefferson back to being the top 10 wide receiver with Higgins who if healthy is top 15 and then Barkley and Kyron, I like I would take that start every time you,

[Dave Richard]

you can tell me if I'm cheating here or not. But we, we talked about already the receivers that we would take over Zay Flowers if we could do this draft again. Devontae Smith, T. Higgins, Emeka Buka, not necessarily in that order, but if I can get team three that got Bijan at three, Nico in round two, a different wide receiver than Zay Flowers in round three and then even Quin Sean in round four. I'm good with that build. I like the idea of running back and then two, the best two receivers you can find because that position gets a little murky by the time you get to round six and round seven and then your second running back. I think that it's fertile ground for good RB2s once you get to round number four. So I, I don't mind that build. I also don't mind you don't have to be balanced. But when you are balanced after four rounds, it just gives you leeway to go in any direction you want and especially best player available. If you're doing value based drafting, you've got the opportunity to pick great values after round four. So I'm a big fan of what team three did as far as like a build that I hated and how I wouldn't want to start my team a certain way. I didn't like pick nine taking three running backs to begin their draft and then look at the wide receivers that they had. It was only lad McConkey. I'm only. I know we're supposed to only look at the first four rounds, but when you start your draft with three running backs and, and yeah, it's two flex, you can start all three and that's fine. I, I feel like you're going to leave yourself short and it's kind of like a zero wide receiver build. I don't know if we can necessarily say that with Laddie. But I don't view Lad as a hero wide receiver. So unless. Unless the team drafting at pick nine thought that Breeze hall was a screaming value in round three. I. I just. I. I don't like it at all. And I don't know if I'd even love it if. If it was Kyron Williams that he took in round three.

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah, I could definitely. Yeah, I could definitely see. Especially because if you look at it like, I think we'd all feel better about that team with genti, Cook, Higgins, McConkey, Igbuka McConkey. Like something like that, just for the balance that was. Just jump in and say, the one that I hated the most was for twofold is actually pick four Nakua and then Walker, Jacob Swift. And it's not even because of the Jacobs. If you. I still wouldn't love it if we knew Jacobs was playing the full season. It's the fact that I hate when people have a distinct advantage of the position. And that's what you had with Nakua and then you threw it out the window by not taking a wide receiver. And you. We are looking ahead. We're cheating, but not until round six. And we'll talk about when we get to it, who a second wide receiver is, but you've basically thrown away your value. Nakua, you had an advantage over at least 10 teams, and now you don't at wide receiver because you went running back, running back, running back, running back. And it's not even the best collection of running backs. So I just. I don't. I love the first round. I just don't love how you consistently made that roster behind them.

[Dave Richard]

A simple yes or no here. Jake, Nico Collins, George Pickens, Chris Olave. How many of those receivers would you have taken over Kenneth Walker in round two?

[Jake Seeley]

All three.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Interesting that it's all three, Bob. Same question to you.

[Bob Harris]

Same answers. All the same answers. Same receivers ahead of Walker. Also, the. The same thing about the build, right? And like, I, I'll say that I feel like the recovery was. Was pretty good, you know, once we got the later rounds. And I like some of those players, but I, I'm. I'm with Jake. I think, you know, you. You get. You get Puka Dakua and then you forget the position. It's like a hero wide receiver doesn't work for me.

[Dave Richard]

What. What did. What also didn't work for you? Is that just your answer? Is that team three blew it?

[Bob Harris]

No, it was. Was this Team four. Ralph's team.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, Team four. My bad.

[Bob Harris]

Yeah. No, I. I like. I'm not. I just. I don't know that I love the values of the. Of the running backs either. I think there are players I would have taken ahead of each of them in each round that were available. So. So, yeah, I think that's more the problem. I don't like the build in general. I think that's. I think the way Jake laid it out is probably the. A problem for me. And if we look into the fifth round, go another running back, that kind of adds to it.

[Dave Richard]

I want to give props to everybody who drafted for not reaching for quarterback and for. For not drafting a quarterback in a tight end on the same team in the first four rounds. You really shouldn't do it in the first five rounds. One of the teams did, but it's just one of those little nitpicks that I have. There are so many good running backs and wide receivers. It's okay to take one quarterback or one tight end. I don't like it when a team takes two with their first five picks, but not reaching at quarterback or tight end. In fact, there was great value at tight end, especially with Bowers and McBride. Props to the 12 drafters that did that. Let's. Let's move forward with round five and we're just going to do the same thing in round five that we did in the first four rounds. Favorite pick and least favorite pick. Here's who went in round number five, Tedro and McMillan. Got a feeling we're about to hear about him. That's 49th overall, followed by Bucky Irving at 50th. I wonder if we're going to hear about Buck. Bucky. Jalen waddle at 51st. That's the third pick. David Montgomery. Travion Henderson, Joe Burrow after that. Those are your first six picks of round five. Basil Tutin makes an appearance at 55th overall. That's the seventh pick. Christian Watson, Devonte Adams after him. A couple of tight ends after that. Tyler Warren and Sam Laporta go in late round five. The last pick of round five, DJ Moore. Now of the Buffalo Bills, Jake Tedrooma. Millen, your favorite pick.

[Jake Seeley]

I'll let you guys have that one. So I'll speak about somebody else because I feel like that's the easy one. I think we're all going to love Ted Auroa in that spot, but. So I'll throw out David Montgomery and get in the fifth round. It's not that, you know, I think Dave Montgomery is going to be a top 12 running back, but we're walking into a situation that was able to produce one of the most efficient running backs in Woody marks. Still having RB2 value because of the workload given and what we all expect. I know it could go sideways still, but we all expect this team is going to look better on offense this year. I think the touches are there. I think we're going to be looking at 260 plus. Do I think it's 300? No. But it would have shocked me if he got to 300. And then if he does get to 300, even if it is volume, Reliant 300 touches for the Texans will have you pushing that RB1 conversation. So I think it's just about the fact that Montgomery in the fifth is basically like where we always should have been having Montgomery for the longest time, even when he was with the Bears. And now you can take them there and get that upside. And like I said, I was more so leaving it for you guys to wax poetically about Ted a row in the fifth round.

[Bob Harris]

I'm not going to.

[Dave Richard]

I'm not either. Wow.

[Bob Harris]

I'm going to go with the best goal line back in all football. Mr. Devonte Adams. It's been he's been consistently productive over the course of time. 14 touchdowns in 14 games last year. Pukinakua doesn't get the goal line looks. You look at what, 27. Enzo targets nine more than any other player last year last season and so finished what, wide receiver nine overall. That was his ninth top 10 finish in 10 seasons. I didn't see signs of slowing down other than the missed games and I'll, I'll deal with those if I have to. I love that pick.

[Dave Richard]

I, I am on par with Montgomery. I'm on par with Tedro and McMillan. My favorite pick in round three was Jalen Waddle and people who've been watching FFT since March know that I love the landing spot for Waddle in Denver. I do think it signals him being the alpha number one receiver there. Seven targets per game as a floor. The touchdowns I worry about. Corland Sutton's still there. They've got some guys that can work at the goal line. Bo Nix can use his legs so that's, that's, that's a step back. But we've seen Jalen Waddle win at all three levels in many different ways over the course of his career in Miami and he's had really bad quarterback play the last couple years and he's been overshadowed by Devon H and man Tyreek Hill. And I don't think there's anybody overshadowing him in Denver. So I think he's just landed in a great, great opportunity. He's actually my favorite pick in round five and I know I'm going to be able to get him in round five. In a lot of my leagues I view him as a wide receiver too. That's my favorite pick in round five. But there were some picks in round five that made all of us go and they were gross. And I don't know if there was one that was really that bad. For me there were a couple that were just like, I don't think I could do that. And for me it was Sam LaPorta. I just think he's around 6 pick. Felt like you were reaching a little bit. Maybe you could tell me that the, the team at pick 11 took Laporta then because he thought that maybe the team at pick 12 would take him. But why would the team at pick 12 take him if they had already taken Colson Loveland at the top of the fourth round? So he could have waited until round six. He could have taken Jane Daniels in round five. I guess I would have been kind of okay with Daniels in round five, but. But either way, I just feel like it was a little too soon for Sam Laporta. I did like a lot of the picks in this round, to be fair. Bob, do you agree? Was this a good round for fantasy managers or were there some picks that made you go by?

[Bob Harris]

Nothing made me go blah. I mean I felt like all these. I could defend all of them. If I was looking to nitpick a little bit. Sam Laporta would be one. I might nitpick on Christian Watson a little bit. Just wondering what the roles are going to be. There is this year Jaden Reed becomes the best receiver on that team even though he's already the best receiver on that team. Just not recognized as such. So I mean that'd be a question like all these other, you know, like facial Tootin. I mean you could make the argument that, that you're getting a great value here if he takes over the lead role or the is he's the primary back here. So yeah, I, I don't have a lot of complaints about this round in general, but laporta might have been a little too early.

[Dave Richard]

I wonder if, if, if the training camp hype really gets out of control on Tutin. He ends up being a fourth round pick because people just get over excited over the. The devil. The devil. They don't know and there's a Pretty good track record. It's short, but it's a good track record of running backs under Liam Cohen blowing up and having a big year. Travis each and last year, Bucky year before that. Sure. And once upon a time in college, it was Chris Rodriguez. He had like 1400 total yards, a bunch of touchdowns at Kentucky. Totally different game, different level of competition, but still, you saw the running back get a lot of work. Jake, who you hating on?

[Jake Seeley]

I don't hate it. Hate it. But I'd say Joe Burrow. I just don't want to be taking this pick knowing. And again, some of it's probably hindsight for the people in this draft, but knowing that there was similar quarterback values, in my opinion, around two rounds later. And that's just really what it comes down to. It's hindsight. E. But also when you knew that weight came after Alan May and Jackson. I just don't want to be the first person to pull the trigger on that. And that. That, like I said, it's nitpicky, but I just don't love Burrow there.

[Dave Richard]

I get it. But the fact that we like a lot of the picks in. In round five, or at bare minimum in the case, my perspective, and I'm sure the other guys, too, Montgomery, McMillan, at least it's on par. This was a good round. And I think you could expect a lot of these picks to be there in your drafts when you get to round five, assuming that training camp hype doesn't go out of control one way or the other for any of these guys. So let's close the door on round five. Let's open the door on round number six, which started with Javon. Jameson Williams. Excuse me, it says Jay Williams in our draft room. I should have looked to see if it was a wide receiver from Detroit. JMO, first pick around six, followed by Jaden Daniels. Jadarian Price, third. Mike Evans, fourth, Carnell Tate, fifth. Tony Pollard, the sixth pick, 66th overall. Tony Pollard with Tennessee. So a couple of Titans back to back. Alec Pierce. He'll play the Titans twice this year if he's healthy. He went seventh. Jalen Warren, eighth.

[Bob Harris]

Eighth.

[Dave Richard]

Parker Washington, ninth. That's another AFC south player. Roma Dunes a 10th. Marvin Harrison Jr. 11th, and Chuba Hubbard, running back at the Carolina Panthers. Last pick of round 12. Jake, who do you love?

[Jake Seeley]

It's funny, now we're getting to the range where it's like, I like one third. I don't really like one third of them.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, Round five was all puppies and rainbows. And unicorns and now we're in the gutter.

[Jake Seeley]

I would say my favorite and I might be on an island. It seems like I am so far with this opinion, but I think it's kind of weird that I am is I love Jaden Daniels here and I say that to say the island is. It was weird to me that we're drafting Jaden Daniels as a top three, top four quarterback last year after what he did as a rookie and knowing the rushing potential and knowing that this offense might do more than just one thing now that Kingsbury is not at the helm and. And everybody's just like, nah, I don't want Jaden Daniels anymore. And so I get it. If you, if you don't want an injury risk quarterback, fine, then why are we still doing it with Lamar Jackson? Like so I just look at the upside of somebody who could. If he finished as the number one fantasy quarterback. I wouldn't bet on it, but I don't think it would absolutely shock and floor everybody to get him in the sixth round. I think that's great value.

[Dave Richard]

He definitely has the upside. Bob, is he your favorite too?

[Bob Harris]

No, I'm going to be the old people supporting old people. Come on down by Kevin's I think we're totally dismissing the history of production. Granted, injuries, age, new, new location. We're talking about a guy who's been wide receiver two or better in 11 of his 12 seasons, including six wide receiver one finishes. He's going to be the alpha receiver in a Kyle Shanahan offense. I know he's not an ideal fit for this offense. Clay Kubiak though, saying all the great things, saying they want to feed him when he's in single coverage. And I do think Brock Purdy has shown he's capable of throwing to big receivers over the middle. So maybe that compensates a little bit for the less than perfect fit. But I think we're basically paying for the floor and totally ignoring the super high ceiling.

[Dave Richard]

I'll give you a stat you'll love and a stat you'll hate. On Mike Evans, the stat you'll love. We, we think that he's probably going to play a lot in that Juwan Jennings type role. Juwan Jennings had nine touchdowns in 15 games last year, about one every six catches. That's pretty badass. The fantasy production at the end of the day didn't match because he didn't get a ton of targets. And that's where the bad news is. 49ers history. Just four wide receivers have seven or more targets per game in Shanahan's nine year tenure in San Francisco and only two of those four average 15 plus PPR points for him. All them at 13 plus PPR points per game. And I think if you're drafting Mike Evans here and you're expecting 13 PPR points per game, you'll be good to go. You'll be happy with that. So I don't know if that's my favorite pick. I really, I, I, I'm falling for Parker Washington guys. And you can try and talk me out of it and say that Brian Thomas Jr. Is going to be the the new alpha in Jacksonville. But I just love the way he improved as the season went on and how he had that rhythm and chemistry with Trevor Lawrence. There's a lot of mouse feeding that offense. We don't know how good that run game is going to be. I think Washington proved that he can work all three levels of the field. He might be relying on the first two levels. I don't know how many huge plays he's going to have have, but I think the target volume is going to be there for him again. He was my favorite pick in round number six. My least favorite pick in round number six was Jalen Warren. I have absolutely no idea how the backfield is going to split up in Pittsburgh. I've talked about it on FFT before but Rico Dowdle was brought into the NFL by Mike McCarthy. He had a major injury. Mike McCarthy did not cut him with an injury settlement. He let him rehab and then eventually Mike McCarthy gave him his first opportunity to play in the NFL and Dowddle didn't disappoint. It earned him a contract in Carolina and now here he is reuniting with McCarthy. He's going to know what McCarthy wants from his run game and he his stats, his efficiency metrics were almost on point if not a little bit better depending on which stat you're looking at as Jalen Warrens. I don't have a problem with Warren. I just think taking him in the sixth round was a little bit too soon. You guys can agree on disagree with me on that one. I do prefer whichever Steelers running back you can get second. It's going to end up being Dowdle, especially in PPR leagues and if I end up with him later in the draft then I'm, I'm happy with it but I think it's just too soon to take Jalen Warren. Bob, your least favorite pick in round six.

[Bob Harris]

I'm gonna go with Warren as well. Although if you wanted Me to. I'd make an argument against Marvin Harrison. Sure don't know that we'll see the breakout. Right. I just said I again, I have questions about how this team's gonna fare, who the quarterback's going to be. I mean, it's going to be Jacoby Brissette set until it's not all My only thought is, you know, all the success people had with Jacoby Brissette, they need to realize it came on a 111 record in his 12 games. I. That's not going to stand this year. They're gonna. They're gonna make a switch to something else and we'll see how that works out. So I don't love Harrison, but I the the bigger point that you made. I always feel great in drafts when I come out with the cheaper option in these situations across the board. Right. Like, I mean just whatever. Whatever it is, if I feel like I'm getting the discount, I'm super happy about it. So I and I think if you look at this round in particular, like Chuba Hubbard, I'm going to feel the same about him. If I come away with a ton more Jonathan Brooks, I'm going to feel super good about that. I'm gonna. Well, I think the price has changed on Rashad White and Jacori Crosby Merit. But. But getting White cheaper for a while I loved. I'm taking a ton of Madre Stevenson way later than Travion Henderson just because I am. And I mean, I think the Patriots would agree with me. So I like the cheaper half of these deals, these package deals.

[Dave Richard]

There's a lot of ballgame left between now and late August on all of those backfields, so there's a lot that we have to learn. Jake, spew some venom. Who do you not like in round six?

[Jake Seeley]

Well, we can make it three for three on Warren. Actually, to everything you said I just said on a podcast yesterday and the fact that I actually think, even if you just take it at face value, that dad will feel fits slightly better than Warren does in the McCarthy offense. The only pushback that I've seen, and I would kind of agree with, is that because it's Aaron Rodgers, you do want the better pass blocker and Warren is shown to be a definitively better pass blocker. But I mean, if that breaks the tie, then I'll happy to be wrong. I want the biggest thing you guys said. I want the discount. I'll take whoever's going later. Anytime we have a messy backfield, give me the discount guy. I will Bullet point real quick. Agree with you on Parker Washington. I do think that it's just. It's Trevor Lawrence a stylist. Liam Cohen. By the time Brian Thomas is 15 yards downfield, Lawrence has already made a decision eight out of 10 times and it's not Brian Thomas. So that one. I'll give the one one more. One little pushback. I don't hate Harrison as much as you guys. Mostly because here's what it is. If you told me Brissette was starting 17 games. I don't care about the win loss. It's just. Does he start 17 games because he actually treated Harrison as the one in those starts with. With a healthy, healthy Michael Wilson. So I'm not saying it's a breakout but now we're taking Marvin Harrison at the end of the sixth round. I'll invest in that. But you're also investing hoping. I agree with you on this part. That percent is actually the quarterback for the full year.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, that could be a problem. And again, we're drafting. It's the same thing that I said about Mike Evans. If you're drafting these guys hoping that they finish in the top 12 at their position, I don't know if they can do that. But can they be startable? Certainly. Wide receiver threes, maybe wide receiver twos. Yeah, I think they can do that. And I guess round six is okay. We're going to take a break and then we're going to do round seven, round eight and our favorite teams from this mock draft. Stay tuned.

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[Dave Richard]

Carvana.com producer Thomas is going to kill me after the show, guys, because he told me, you know, we have the private chat and he told me, you know, round five, after round five, take the break. And I just went right through his order and went right into round six. So I think Adam Mazer's job is pretty safe. But I digress. Round seven. Three tight ends to start round seven. I'm gonna give you the names. I'm going to give them to you in alphabetical order before you. Actually, this is for the listeners because everybody can watch it and Jake and Bob have already seen it. But Harold Fannin, Tucker Kraft, Kyle Pitts, those were the first three. Quickly rank them for yourselves. Go ahead, go ahead. We'll wait. All right, we're done waiting. Here's how they went in our draft pits. First, Tucker Craft. Second, Harold Fan in third. They were followed by Wandell Robinson. Rico Dowdle went to the same team as Jalen Warren in this draft. Interesting. Brian Thomas Jr. Went with the sixth pick in the round. Then we had J.K. dobbins. Jalen Hurts, Jordan Tyson. One of those things is not like the other. R.J. harvey, Quinton Johnston. And the last pick in the round was Chris Godwin. Jake, who'd you love from round seven?

[Jake Seeley]

So initially I was gonna be like, oh, wow, Fannin. Because I think he can lead the team in targets and be the number one option, even as questionable as the quarterback situation will be. But then, and at the chance that we get Kraft 100% for week one, like Kraft at this point, even if this is a little bit different than Neighbors, because Kraft, if we knew was 100%, he'd be going up there by like Loveland. But we're getting a three, four round discount on those other tight ends because we don't know for sure. And that's where similar to was my argument for neighbors. If I was getting that kind of discount, this is one I would do every single time. Because if I have Kraft and I missed for first two weeks and play fill in off the waiver wire, no problem, I will throw out. My second favorite is the. I do think that Dobbins is going to be the same problem again. But Harvey's gotten so much hate now at this point, because everybody's afraid of Dobbins and Sean, he's now at the end of the round seven. Like, do you really think Dobbins is going to make it through the whole year? And like, John Jonah Coleman, sure, like, whatever. How many times do we have to do the Sean Payton rookie running back experience where, like, I just. I'll take RJ Harvey in the fourth round. You guys remember this two months or three months ago now, that's been. This summer's flying by before the draft, when he was going there, like, that was. That was too much. But now that everybody has gone complete 180 on him, now I'm invested in RJ Harvey.

[Dave Richard]

I've seen him go later than this. I've seen Harvey go later than round seven in mock drafts. And just quick point of reference on Tucker Kraft before he got hurt. 14.7 PPR points per game. Hold on. On five and a half targets per game. Whereas Harold Fannin finished the year 11.7 PPR points per game. Still nothing to sneeze at a tight end. He had 6.7 targets per game. And so here we are coming off of a season where Kraft was just way more efficient. One of the most efficient tight ends that you could have asked for in fantasy, and he's going in the same spot as Harold Fannin. I think if. If we love where Tucker Kraft is at physically and the reports are glowing out of Green Bay, and then you tack onto that the fact that Romeo Dobbs is out of there. Who all the. Don Tavian Wicks is out of there. They've consolidated the receiver room a little bit. Yeah. You could see Tucker Kraft making a meteoric rise in round seven would absolutely be a gift. Bob, is a tight end your favorite pick in round seven?

[Bob Harris]

Yes, it is, Craft. And I've done some math. You're. You're welcome. That's usually not my strong point, but let's go with this.

[Dave Richard]

Are we sure this math is correct?

[Bob Harris]

I'm relatively certain this math is close. Like, the packers have a pretty conservative training staff and they follow some rigid procedures. Christian Watson Torres, ACL January 5, 2025 return to action October 26, 2025294 day turnaround about 9 months, 21 days. Craft ACL torn on November 2, 294 days from then is August 23. Absolutely possible he will be ready week one. I'm drafting like you will be.

[Dave Richard]

I always worry a little bit about players coming back from a torn acl. And it felt like Christian Watson was the exception and not the rule and maybe that's changing. Medicine's getting better year by year. I I do have fan and ranked ahead of craft. Don't hate me for it. It's in pencil it's based on Kraft probably I'm thinking anyway getting off to a slow start but by far same one one of the better picks in round seven. I I did not mind the fan in pick I like getting fan in

[Bob Harris]

I would take I don't mind any of those tight ends where they went

[Dave Richard]

yeah I mind Pitts. I think he's terrible. Let's get to the least favorite pick of the round. I don't think Jordan Tyson is terrible. I think he's certainly injury prone. Too many injuries in college. First year in the NFL won't be the number one wide receiver. Don't see a pathway Tim getting north of seven targets per game don't see him with a pathway to getting to 12 PPR points per game game. I felt like round seven, 7.9 81st overall was just too soon for Jordan Tyson. Long term I think he's going to be really good as long as he stays healthy. But for this year I kind of don't want him. I'm looking at him as more of like a round nine type pick.

[Bob Harris]

I 100 agree with that and he he is my pick that I'm like. By the way, this is the I think of all the drafts I've done, this is the first time I've seen J.K. dobbins go ahead of Harvey. That's not been the norm in the drafts I've been in and I do like J.K. dobbins. I don't feel like this is a H Price, but I want to go give the Cam Scatterbo junior Award to Wandale Robinson, who I love but don't love. This Price would like to get him where he's going closer to adp. This is a little ahead of that, but I do think he's in a really good spot going showing up with his old friend Brian Dable in an offense. Look, I think Carnell Tate's going to be perfectly fine. I think this offense is going to improve a little bit and Cam Ward is going to be a big part of that. And if he is, then Wanda Robinson is going to have another really solid year.

[Dave Richard]

I'm. I'm a sucker for Wandell, Bob. I love the targets per game and it's not just last year, it's the year before that too. Yeah, and that was when Malik Neighbors went crazy and his numbers for PPR weren't great, but when we're drafting him in the middle of rounds, I don't want him in non PPR. I'm not really cool with him in half PPR but full PPR. If he's going to get 8 targets per game, he can have a spot on my fantasy team and potentially be my number three wide receiver. He's in that range of guys that I could see getting 12 PPR points per game. Not because of touchdowns, not because of yards, but because he's going to catch six or seven passes every single week. I think Tennessee's game scripts will help him out. Jake, who do you not like in round seven?

[Jake Seeley]

I'm with both of you and that I don't love. I don't really hate Robinson or Tyson in this range. I'd rather wait. Just looking at wide receivers going after him, there was quite a few names that were take before they come off the board, including Josh Downs at the end of round or round eight. So I'll go a little bit different. I don't love the price in Quentin Johnston and I know that they, you know, they gave him the fifth year but that's not a new contract. I think that's kind of playing and like okay, if we see him build off of last year and he is this, we're getting ahead of the game so we don't have to make this huge contract decision next year. But I'm also looking, you know, and it's not that I'm scared of Brendan Thompson, it's just I know who Mike McDaniel is and I know like what he wants to do with his wide receivers and how he schemes them, I'm not sure that Johnston fits 100% and if he gets off to a slow start and I'm not saying he can't do it in McDaniel's offense, I just don't know if he gets off to a slow start that you start seeing Trey Harris or Thompson or other people worked in because of what Mike McDaniel does. So given that risk against, there's just other names after him I would take before I start thinking Quentin Johnson.

[Dave Richard]

Last year Quentin Johnson got off to a white hot start, a lightning bolt of a start start, 19.9 PPR points per game. He had nine targets per game in his first four and then after that reality set in and he averaged 11.8 for the rest of the way on 6.4 targets per game. That was very much in line with his 2024 average. So when you draft Quentin Johnston, we can make the upside case, we can make the downside case. Jake just did. I, I think that you think about the high elevens, low 12s and PPR points per game game as, as not quite the ceiling, but certainly above the norm for him. That's what you have to think about when you draft Quentin Johnston. And the other thing that I think about, and I think a lot of people overlook this when it comes to Mike McDaniel's offenses is that he plays at a slow PA. It's so slow. And maybe part of that had to do with Tua and that he just like he had to do everything in his power to kind of insulate Tua Harbaugh from taking too many hits. And maybe he changes that because he's got Justin Herbert and he's got a world class offensive line when healthy. But I, I do worry that Mike McDaniels is going to stick with utilizing the run game and I think Harbaugh is going to ask him to do that. And playing at that, I was gonna

[Jake Seeley]

say Harbaugh was already one of the lowest in plays per game to begin with.

[Dave Richard]

Right.

[Jake Seeley]

So like, you know, like how does it get better?

[Dave Richard]

I almost, I almost imagine before Harbaugh offered McDaniel the job, he said you're going to run the ball and you're going to take it slow. You're not going to put your foot on the gas unless we're losing late in the game. He got it and my McDaniel spent eight minutes explaining that he got it and then he agreed to the contract and now here he is running the Chargers. But honestly I'm glad he's there. It's. It was my favorite offensive play caller change of the off season, him going there. I think it's going to end up working out great, but I think it's going to end up working out great, especially for Hampton and for Herbert. I'm still kind of unsure about McConkey taking a big step forward and you just heard what I had to say about Quentin Johnson. I think he'll be good, not great. Speaking of great, a word that rhymes with that is eight and we're in round eight. This is the last round that we're going to give our favorite and least favorite picks in. And it started with Jakory, Crosby, Merritt followed by Jonathan Brooks. I this feels like the earliest I've seen Jonathan Brooks go to going with the second pick in round eight. That's 86th overall Jackson Dart Justin Herbert back to back quarterbacks after that, that Makai Lemon at 89. Rashad White after that, that's pick 90. Kyle Manungai after him. And then the back half of round eight. Cortland Sutton, Isaiah likely. It's interesting. Ramandre Stevenson, we've talked about him. Bob likes him. Jacoby Myers and then the last pick, round eight. I feel like on. On fantasy football today we talk about Josh Downs every single show. And so like we've all gotten real excited about Josh Downs. I felt like this was a little bit late for Josh Downs rounds. It was my favorite pick, especially in a full PPR. I think he can return wide receiver 3 value, maybe even sneak into the top 24. But I'm curious, Jake, which player was your favorite in round eight?

[Jake Seeley]

I, I love almost this entire round. I just this 8th round values are just supreme. I guess it's just really if you're picking the guys that we like. I think Jonathan Brooks is starting. Not quite like you said, it's kind of the earliest I've seen. But I think that the biggest question with him is if he's 100% the talent. We knew he could take the job without an injury and I think that's why people are drafting them. So I think there's going to be a breaking point though, like another round, round and a half. And now it's like you're. You're buying. Basically it happens within weeks, not even, you know, halfway through the season. So I think the dart value is great just because if he actually stays healthy, I mean, it's weird that all these sites and I'm coming for cbs, every site does it, every site counts. The first two games that he stepped on the. He stepped on the field for like five plays. If you take those two games out, he averaged 20 points per game. He was a top five quarterback. So their injury risk is real. But I think the upside of Jackson dart is real as well. White man guy could take the job. I wouldn't bet on it, but it wouldn't shock me if that happens. So yeah, I'm just going to talk to Josh Downs. I brought him up earlier. I said sneak preview. I think Josh Downs people are kind of overlooking that he's going to be the number two and he's had blips of being the number two when asked and at times has shown that he has the upside to be the guy actually thought you go all the way back to Anthony Richardson and he had games where you saw, oh wow, you know, Josh Downs, if he had the volume could be the guy. So with the volume being there, and this is with or without Daniel Jones, he's basically Wandell Robinson, in my opinion, at a round and a half discount and possibly even better.

[Dave Richard]

So the receivers that went in round five, Jake Wandale, Brian Thomas Jr. Jordan Tyson, Quinton Johnston, Chris Godwin. How many of those receivers would you be okay taking ahead of Josh Downs?

[Jake Seeley]

2. And it's like, only because Godwin sounds like he's 100 healthy. It's finally like, I don't think we finally saw him from last year. But if you wanted to argue Downs over Godwin, I would say, okay. And then, you know, I would take Thomas just in case we're wrong. Just because the pure innate talent of Thomas is what it is. And what if Cohen's like, you know what? That was stupid of me. Maybe I'll use him in the slot some. Maybe I'll treat him as the number one as he can be. Because if Thomas gets back to 120 targets, even with Lawrence, I mean, we're talking about the talent is better than anybody on that team. It's just whether or not it clicks. So. But downs. And again, if you want to take downs over to. I'll put it this way, I'm going to kind of reverse your question here. If you took downs over all of them, I wouldn't say you're crazy.

[Dave Richard]

I would agree. Agree. Mr. Harris, are you down with downs?

[Bob Harris]

Yes, I am down with downs. I think what we. The talk we've heard leading into heading into training camp, Shane Styka talking about using him inside and outside, I think that's gonna enhance his value. I know people who cover the team talking to, you know, the beat writers on the regular. I know James Boyd from the Athletic has been really high on him the last couple years, and the role just hasn't quite materialized. I think the vacated targets with Michael Pittman on work in his favor. There's a lot to like in this round. And I think when you look at the round overall, you could say this is like, depends on how your roster is constructed, what player you might like the best here. Like, if you needed a solid running back, too.

[Jake Seeley]

Hello.

[Bob Harris]

Ramondre Stevenson. I would take him running back 22 last year on a points per game basis. I think this is a nice discount. Jonathan Brooks, if you have some really solid starters ahead of him and you want to swing for that upside, play goes. Jake said maybe, you know, one of the. The most talented back in the draft, the year he came out, if he would have been healthy. So I mean there's. There's a lot. Rashad White, super solid receiving asset. Could he gain the starting role? Yes. I like that he went cheaper than Jakory Crosby Merritt. I'm not against our guy, Bill. I just haven't seen it more than a couple games. Right.

[Dave Richard]

Right. Splashes.

[Bob Harris]

Yeah. It's been.

[Dave Richard]

And now they're asking him to put on weight. Bob.

[Bob Harris]

Right. That's always. That's always a. A little bit of a tell. So. So. So yeah. I. Probably my favorite pick here. Like another swing for the fence guy might be Isaiah likely there if you think that he can finally make use of his talent. Freed from the specter of the great Mark Andrews looming over him. Apparently he never could move ahead of him. So I'm. I'm a little bit. Tory Jake might be right. Jackson dart might be the. The best value of this bunch if he plays at last year's level and can stay on the field.

[Dave Richard]

Dart sure like throwing to his tight ends last year too. 22.8 target rate to tight ends. 9 career games for Isaiah likely when he's had at least targets. 12.5 or more PPR points in eight of the nine games. My goodness, if he averaged 12 1/2 PPR points, then he would help you win.

[Bob Harris]

Not an accident that he was brought over. Right. I think John. This is not a coincidence that John Harbaugh and the same with Patrick Ricard. By the way, thank you for scan Cam Scatter Boo. I mean these are. These, these. These weren't happy coincidences.

[Dave Richard]

But if John Harbaugh brought Isaiah likely over, I would ask Harbaugh what the hell happened? Why didn't you use likely more Mark Andrews happened.

[Bob Harris]

Think.

[Dave Richard]

Well, all right. I guess that's part of it. But you could still run an offense where both those guys would do fairly well. There were just so many games where Isaiah likely left us holding the bag and I think that's why he's going as late as he's going. I like getting him as a settle for tight end. I've got him as a top 10 tight end. I do think he's got upside, but he wasn't my favorite pick in the round. Downs was. Lemon was my least favorite pick in the round.

[Bob Harris]

Which.

[Dave Richard]

Which it's. It stabs me in the heart of a pen. I'm gonna stab myself in the.

[Bob Harris]

The.

[Dave Richard]

I hurt myself. Oh my God. I literally took a pen and hit myself in the heart. I love his talent. I don't see the Eagles offense supporting two wide receivers and a tight end. I just don't think they'll throw the ball enough. I love Smith too much. Herz is still a, you know, top five type of fantasy quarterback. Lemon's a great talent, but not at 100. No Tas, hopefully he'll be 100 for the start of the season. I'm sure he will go through some rookie struggles. He will be a good fit for what they're doing. I just don't want it. This is too soon for me. He's in that same range as Jordan Tyson. I'm thinking about him in round nine, round 10. I would not take him here. Bob, quickly, your least favorite pick in round eight.

[Bob Harris]

It was also 11 easily by far. I mean, the only of all the picks here. I, I could probably make an argument for cross demerit if he. If you wanted me to pivot off, off your guy just because like the hype was so insane last year. I know talking to a lot of the writers who were responsible for some of that hype, you know, some of them have pretty good reasons. Like, you know, I think Ben Stand told me he thought that in season that that one of the big problem for Crosky Merit was that Jaden Daniels and Terry McLaren weren't on the field. Right. And then if all the pieces were there, this would have been great. And you know, I can't say he was wrong. I just don't know that I'm buying into it.

[Dave Richard]

Jake.

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah, I actually don't mind the Makai Lemon pick, but I've been on the record of being a Lemon supporter and what this offense can do under the changes. That being said, what you said actually concerns me, Dave. Is that the head like a rookie not being able to get on the field. And if this continues all the way into the season and he doesn't get a ton of practice time, you have to move him down and not take him in the eighth round. So outside of that, I feel like Jacoby Myers is the odd man out. I just like, I know he's been great and reliable and he's just always there and he's always overlooked for his entire career. But it's like if we're wrong on Parker Washington repeating and it is Brian Thomas or if it's Brian, like either way you look at it, it's just like, it just feels like he's always the third on that team and so like I just don't see where the value is. He feels like one of those picks in this round where it's like, hey, I can use him during the bye week and if that's a pick then I don't want it because where's the.

[Bob Harris]

James Gladstone told me his superpower was catching the football. Come on, that's important.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, definitely important. But I feel like every, almost every wide receiver has that superpower. Brian Thomas, not so much last year. Yeah.

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[Dave Richard]

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[Bob Harris]

All right.

[Dave Richard]

If we kept doing this for rounds 9 through 14 people wouldn't listen and we'd be wasting our time. So let's just go to it and talk about which team was our favorite team after the first day round. So put your blinders on. Don't look at round nine or later. If you guys listening want to see who was taken round nine beyond, go to YouTube.com search for fantasy football Today you can come and find our video. You will see the draft board. It is beautiful. It is on the screen. You can pause it as many times as you want. You can write it down till your heart's content. You will see who wins in rounds nine through 14 and there are a lot of sleepers in there. We're just not going to be able to get to them today. But your favorite team through eight rounds. Bob Harris. Which one is it?

[Bob Harris]

I think it's dropped back like it's hot. What number is he? He's nine.

[Dave Richard]

That's picked pick number nine.

[Bob Harris]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with that just because I like the the late run of so James Cook. Great value. Breece Hall. I'm more in on I think to the world. I was arguing with Howard Bender about the this last night, you know like oh they're telling us he's going to be in a three headed monster. They told us that last year when it seemed way more realistic with Tanner Extract coming over to to say that they're going to copy that Detroit offense. And then what do we see Breeze hall get the most carries of his career and they just paid him $43 million like that. Like the wide receivers here love the Adams Evans picks. I'll overlook the Tyson but think he fared well with Justin Herbert. George Kittle could be a top five tight end once he's back on the field. Field that comes after week five. So a lot to like their Bo Nixon. You know some of the backup players are fine but I like the top of that roster.

[Dave Richard]

All right, we at some other point we're gonna have to debate Breeze hall because I'm as big of a fan on him. We're just not going to do it.

[Bob Harris]

It's his third running back Yeah, I,

[Dave Richard]

I get it but there are also some really good wide receivers who could have taken in. Maybe Breeze could have made it back to him in round number four.

[Bob Harris]

Not he's drafting with me.

[Dave Richard]

Not if he's drafting you. But you weren't in this draft Bob. You were doing who knows what. You're a maniac. I don't even want to know what you were doing, Jake. You're less of a maniac. You are a much more rounded civilized man. Which team was your favorite?

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah, I was thinking I might go back to the 11th pick with Matt SF but Team 12 made a real push for it and just by having Loveland where he does and the old Godwin is his fourth wide receiver. Crosby Merritt is a mix of that backfield. Maybe he wins out as your third running back back but it ended up being the third pick surprisingly enough by the time we got to this point because the Bijan Judkins Stevenson as your third which might still be the better value as we saw the back half of last year than Trevon Henderson. I, you know I don't think a lot of people are banking on that happening but another one that wouldn't completely shock us and then your fourth wide receivers are dun with one of your favorite picks which I agree with with Jaylen Waddle. So you have Collins flowers even if you don't love flowers. Waddle Odunze you're arguing that that you could have the best quartet of wide receivers if Malik neighbors was healthy that team would but that's an amazing group to have also Fannin already at your tight end position with those other weapons and I know we're not looking later into his draft but he addresses his quarterback position which a potential QB one. I think through eight rounds that the third pick is looking really good.

[Dave Richard]

I liked team three but I think the team that I like the most and maybe I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth because I'm not a huge fan of McCaffrey. I'm not a huge fan of Makai Lemon but it's going to be Team 8 that took McCaffrey in round one. I loved the value. What can I say? I'm a sucker for a good deal. Love the value of CD Lamb going with the 17th pick overall in the draft. Trey McBride 32nd pick of the draft. Jalen Hurts. Round 7 pick 80 for Jalen Hurts. You're stealing from the league. It's not fair. All is fair in a fantasy draft when they let value go to you. I don't like The Lemon pick. But I like the rest of those first seven picks a lot. My favorite team was pick number eight, my least favorite team. I already talked about how much I didn't like the Drake London pick in the first round. So it's going to be pick 10. They reach for London, reach for Jadarian Price, reach for Harvey Dart. Kind of a reach. I do get the upside case for him. I do get a little bit nervous about how effective he'll be in an offense that might be be a little too run heavy. That's just kind of how John Harbaugh rolls. I thought he got good value at Garrett Wilson, Tyler Warren, his team could have been James Cook in round one, Lamb in two, Abuka and three Javante Williams in four, Tyler Warren in five. What a start that would have been. And then you could have had one of Evans, Tate Parker, Washington, round six, Bill in round seven, Josh Downs in round eight. I like that team the best. The team that I just built and made up. I wish, I wish he would have done that. But he didn't do that. He went in a different direction. So that's my least favorite team is what pick 10 did. I don't know how you guys feel about that or if there was another team that you didn't like. Either you say if either of you say pick eight, I'm gonna fight you.

[Bob Harris]

Team 11. No, I, I thought team 11 like, like all these teams, like if I ended up playing with them I would probably, you know, know it would not be the worst thing that ever happened to me because I can tell you some horrible things have happened to me people but in general I think Team 11, you know, the Justin Jefferson, I mean I didn't love the value Saquon. We need him to have a big year in new offense. I mean it's kind of uninspiring and then we got to the Sam before I do like the Kyron Williams pick. Like I said there's some things I like on this but. And maybe Jonathan Brooks if he comes through but downstream even I'm not as big a big a fan of most of these picks except Jake Ferguson. I love this year. People are totally missing Jake Ferguson and

[Dave Richard]

if you've got, if you want to know why he likes Jake Ferguson, why he likes some of the other players that we didn't really get into. You can always find Bob Harris on football guys dot com. He's one of their leading analysts. Jake, your least favorite team.

[Jake Seeley]

Yeah. I'm going to go back to the neighbors team and I Know, it can work, right? And basically it is a 0 RB approach and it could crack. Look, Tutin if he's top 20, Pollard if it's under Dable, top 20 or Dobbin stays healthier. Rashad White is the lead of that backfield. There's a lot of ifs, but zero RB ish. And a lot of it banks on neighbors being 100%. You can't deny that St Brown, AJ Brown and Devonte Smith is a great trio. And if Neighbors is healthy, I mean, that's. Then I, you know, you go 0 RB with that, I have no problem with it. I just think there's a lot of questions coming out of this draft and again, kind of cheating. But looking at the how he finished out the draft, I don't think it came together perfectly. And it really comes down to, you know, seasonal best ball. One thing to try and go 0 RB still these days, but seasonal, when you're looking at the fact that Brian Robinson, Woody Marks, Tank Bigsby, Pacheco Manuel, all their. We can't really do 0r anymore because everybody's too smart and they're all these guys already taken. So it's just the makeup through eight rounds. I don't love it and. But I'll be honest, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be once we got to the eighth round. So it's.

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[Jake Seeley]

It's not that I actually really despise this team. It's just he gets the slight edge of the team that I like the least.

[Bob Harris]

That was the team I was going to go with, but I felt like, you know, for what was trying to be accomplished here, it was done well for what it was. Maybe I don't prefer this kind of build. Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but I thought the, I thought the Tutin, Pollard, Dobbins, White, I thought that run right there.

[Jake Seeley]

I mean, if it. If he hits on two of those, being top 15, 16 running backs, that team's going to. Gonna be one of the best. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

I just don't know which. I don't even know if he's got one.

[Jake Seeley]

Right. That's the question.

[Dave Richard]

Like Tutin is the one you can make the case for

[Bob Harris]

running back four seasons, sir.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.

[Jake Seeley]

Anything over the past three seasons, number three or number four in receptions and for running back.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Yeah. He definitely has that role on lock. I don't know if Bill can catch. And also, also, this is a guy that Jay Daniels Is familiar with, he played with him in college, etc. Etc. So that connection will be there between the two of them. Jake had so many interesting takes. You can read more on his takes at the Athletic. Both these guys also have podcasts, radio shows. You can download the SiriusXM app and you can hear Bob there. Jake's got his own show. Jake, do you have one show or two shows?

[Jake Seeley]

I don't even remember one show, I guess. Spot on. Fantasy pros regularly, but the one show is the all in Speedrun. I keep it to 20 minutes. Answer less because you gotta find that little bit of time when we're overloaded in this industry.

[Dave Richard]

Do you hate me that I kept you for 80 minutes? No, because we went 80 minutes. You know who's gonna kill me for this is Adam, your producers. The producer is not going to be happy with me now for two things.

[Jake Seeley]

You know what?

[Dave Richard]

Azer's gonna kill me.

[Jake Seeley]

He never really 100% follows through with, like, all the bets and stuff that you do on the show. So, like, he can, he can take one on the chin. Like, like when he barely shaved his. Had that one day. Fernando, like, like, come on.

[Bob Harris]

Barely shave your head. Either you do or you don't.

[Jake Seeley]

Nando gave a ton of money to St. Jude if he would just cut a line in the side of his hair.

[Dave Richard]

Lines on the side of his head.

[Jake Seeley]

And he barely did one.

[Bob Harris]

He can borrow one of mine.

[Dave Richard]

You guys are the best. I'm so glad you came on and I'm so glad that we were able to review this mock draft. And more importantly, there are so many takeaways that we have from, from, from this draft to give you, the viewer, the listener. And this is just the beginning of fantasy draft season. It's here. Well, it's in two weeks, but it's almost here. So I really appreciate you guys being here and I hope you guys appreciate the knowledge that you've gotten. You're a little bit better when it comes to drafting your fantasy teams this fall. For producer Thomas Schaefer, Sammy Davis and Bob Harris and Jake Seeley, I'm Dave Richard. This has been fantasy football ball today. Golly, 84 minutes. Azer will really. He's going to try. He's going to try and punch me. It's not going to work, but he's going to try. But I appreciate you. I appreciate you all being here. I hope I just didn't say a bad word.

[Jake Seeley]

Thanks for coming. Paramount podcasts.