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Round 7-9 Wide Receivers: Finding League-Winners! (07/07 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Off to the races and he stays on his feet. That's just gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath looking to draft a surprising breakout wide receiver. Maybe a guy like Makai Lemon. The rookie, Jaden Reed. Hopefully getting some more playing time. Josh D. Downs. How about Alec Pierce? Cortland Sutton, Quentin Johnston, Chris Godwin, Jacoby Myers, Wanda Robinson? There are more. These are just some of the wide receivers who are being drafted according to Fantasy Pro's PPR consensus ADP in round seven through nine. We welcome you to Fantasy Football today. Adam Azer with Dave Richard. What's up, Dave Richard?
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I am looking forward to this conversation because I think we're going to have some good depth at the wide receiver position. And these are the rounds where you can chase it versus the crappy running backs that were around when we talked about them a day prior. Focus on these receivers.
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Jamie, is this just depth or do we have some league winners in round seven through nine? Jamie Eisenberg.
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There will be some league winners, but I think you're drafting them for depth at the start.
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Fair.
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Yeah. And what's interesting is that you're. You're much further into the wide receiver pool than you are running backs. We're talking about wide receivers 36 through 49 in ADP. Whereas what do we start with? Tony Pollard. Yesterday he was running back 28, and we finished with J.K. dobbins, who was running back 38. So round seven starts with wide receiver 36. Round nine ends with wide receiver 49. Round nine ended with running back 36, 30 or 38. Excuse me. So you're deeper into the wide receiver pool. But you still have really good players. And guys, the first point. I don't know why I was on
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Thomas realized he was on was amazing.
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Oh, Thomas Shaver, just show it up. He wants to talk about round seven through nine.
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I was just did a WTF when he realized it, when he mouthed it out loud.
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All right. The most important thing for you to know about these wide receivers is that if you're gonna get a guy who finishes top 24 either per game or overall, almost all of them, the ones who come out of this group and finish top 24, almost all of them average seven or more targets per game. Last year, for example, that was Chris Olave. Stefan Diggs did not. He was a rare exception. But over the last nine seasons, the 26 wide receivers drafted in this range have average. Have. Have been top 24 per game, and 21 of them have averaged at least seven targets per game. So look at the list. Sutton, Johnston, Pierce, Godwin, Pittman, Lemon, Michael Wilson, Jaden Reed, Downs, Pearsall, Jacoby, Myers, Addison, Wandell, Robinson, Xavier, Worthy, Dave. Who could average seven targets per game?
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I don't know if I'm comfortable saying anybody that you've named can average seven targets per game. I think the guys that could come closest might be on the same team. It might be in Indianapolis, because we know that Michael Pittman's gone, leaves a ton of targets behind. I think they're going to consolidate, and I think Downs and Pierce could each get close to that number of seven targets per game.
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Jamie, any candidates here?
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Godwin? I think depending on how you view Michael Wilson, but I don't think I'll get to seven. Wandale certainly could, but you know what?
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You're right. Wanda absolutely could.
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With Carnell Tate, if he's legit, then no, I think, you know, seven is probably the ceiling for most of these guys.
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The problem with Wondell getting past seven, and he's been past eight each of the last two years, is that he just doesn't do a ton of. After the catch, you're. You're drafting them because of specifically the catches and the points you get with him in full ppr. But I'm looking forward to talking to him. He's somebody I'm targeting.
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Yeah. And he's one of the last guys in this group. He's wide receiver, 48, and ADP. And remember, I said that's to finish top 24. None of these guys are being drafted anywhere really near that, so you don't need them to average seven targets. Per game in order to return value here. All right, so we're going to get into these guys in just a moment. I want to remind you, though, we are, you know, we're in July. We're ramping up our coverage. We're going to be at five episodes per week beginning next week. During the season, you'll have an episode every single day, sometimes more than that. We'll have live streams that are just on YouTube@YouTube.com fantasy football today, including for at least 90 minutes before kickoff on Sundays. So we are really dedicated and we're year round and this is our 19th year, so almost 20 years of fantasy football advice. So if you're new to the show, subscribe to fantasy football today to our YouTube channel. You can listen to us anywhere. You can find podcasts, YouTube.com fantasy football today. You can follow us on social media, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Just look for fantasy football today. And welcome to the family. We have a lot of fun. We have a great audience, especially that Facebook. We have a Facebook group where you can just talk to other listeners and viewers and get your questions answered, those types of things. But we'd love to keep our podcast growing. So join us, tell your friends and let's. Let's do this. Group chat stats. Some fun fantasy football facts that you
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can tell your why you stayed around the water cooler.
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Because you told me I stole it. You shamed me. I much prefer water cooler stats.
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I like where you went with it. I like group chat stats better.
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All right, group chat stats. Your fantasy football group chat.
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Go ahead, 21st century.
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Tell them.
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Like, why can't it be like, slack chats?
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No. Only people.
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Not everybody is slack.
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Yeah. Come on.
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Like, what's WhatsApp chats?
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You can have a group chat on WhatsApp and on Slack. These are group chat stats.
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Jamie, what's the greens you're starting.
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You're starting to devolve into some other chat platforms that might not be.
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Yeah.
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Suitable for this show.
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All right, tell your group chat that Michael Wilson averaged 21.2 PPR fantasy points per game in his last 10 games. That is basically what JSN averaged last year for the full season. That's amazing.
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It is amazing, but I don't think that that encapsulates who he is. Like, you call me out all the time when. When I give a stat that you can further azer stat.
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Yeah, of course.
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And there were a bunch of games that he played late in the year with Marvin Harrison Jr. Almost all of his big games came when Marvin Harrison Jr. Was sidelined. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, for sure.
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But it's just seven games with him and Brissette and Marvin. He was at 10.2 PPR points per game, 5.7 targets per game.
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Yeah, but I mean, it's just amazing what he did. I mean, I don't think there's any scenario where. I don't where Marvin Harrison Jr. Would have averaged 21.2 PPR points per game. I think that's kind of the point. And also he was, he was even better than Trey McBride in that stretch. All right. Over the last three seasons group chat, Jaden Reed has 34 carries. Six of them have gone for 20 or more yards. He has twice as many 20 plus yard runs as Alvin Camara and Ashton Genti over the last three seasons. Genti only one year, but Camara three years. Also, Jaden Reed is second among wide receivers in fantasy points per target over the last three years. Now, number one is Jalen McMillan, number four is Tim Patrick. But Reed actually has a lot of targets compared to those guys. So I mentioned, and if you listen to the, if you just watch the mailbag show, I gave these stats. But Jaden Reed has been one of the most efficient wide receivers in football since he entered the league. Jamie Cortland Sutton, if he's going to be good this year and he's wide receiver 36 in ADP right now, he needs to score touchdowns. Well, over the last three seasons, Sutton is sixth in touchdowns among wide receivers. He's 15th in targets, fifth in red zone targets, 12th and green zone targets third in end zone targets. Do you think Cortland Sutton can keep that role? Because that's not really been. Jalen Waddle's strength is the end zone targets, Whereas Cortland Sutton, 25 targets in the last three years, 25 touchdowns, 22 of them were thrown to the end zone.
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I think he still leads the Broncos in touchdowns, but he loses everywhere else because of Dylan Waddle. So that's the thing that's going to save him, is, you know, you're hoping that he becomes a version of Devonte Adams. If you're going to still buy into Cortland Sutton. But this is a good spot. Take a chance on him this range.
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And Dave Wandale Robinson has two straight seasons with 140 targets. He was wide receiver 47 per game in 2024 and wide receiver 17 per game in 2025. Both times he had 140 targets. What changed? He had a bit of a higher a dot. He had more end zone Targets. He averaged more yards per catch. But you know, anybody getting 140 targets is a, is a must draft player way before round nine. I don't know if he'll get there again, but it is amazing just how different his two seasons were.
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He's averaged 8.2 targets per game in his last 38 games in this offense. He was drafted by Brian Dable. He has followed Brian Dable to Tennessee. The Titans receiving core added Carnell Tate in the draft. They still have Calvin Ridley. They solve a couple of guys that they took last year who were rookies. I think he's an easy plug and play for the Titans offense and he'll be an easy short area target for Cam Ward to lean on. And it would not surprise me in the least if he continued to average eight targets per game.
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Man, that's a lot of targets. Jordan Addison is another guy that's in this group. We just talked about Wanda Robinson. How about Jordan Addison? Jordan Addison has ranked 55th or worse in targets per route run among wide receivers with 50 or more targets in all three of his NFL seasons. So a lot of numbers there. But the bottom line is Jordan Addison just does not command a lot of targets. He needs to score touchdowns to be good and he's been pretty good at scoring touchdowns in two of three seasons. And finally, Chris Godwin. Now, real quick here. If you are watching the show live and you just watch the mailbag, then you know we recorded the Wednesday mailbag before this show. If you're listening, you're going to hear a lot of the same stuff about Chris Godwin that I, I was on tomorrow on Wednesday's Mailbag show that I'm about to say now, but Chris Godwin was a top six wide receiver per game in all three formats in 2024. He was not top 50 per game last year. Jamie, who's the real Chris Godwin?
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Somewhere in between. You know, I, I'm, I'm curious how much he's going to line up inside because that's typically been his best role is playing the slot. And so when you have a Mecca Buka and you have Jalen McMillan and we'll see what Ted Hurst does and obviously new play caller and Zach Robinson, where they put Godwin I think is going to matter a lot here. So you're seeing a lot. You know, I mean, obviously we can't be naive to the fact that our audience only reads and pays attention to us. You know, you guys, I'm sure seeing a lot of other publications that are hyping up Chris Godwin as the best receiver in Tampa Bay and that makes some sense because of what his rapport is with Baker Mayfield and what his track record has been. So I think this is a great spot to take a chance on Chris Godwin. I think he's going to exceed his ADP and but I don't think he's going to be a top six fantasy receiver and I certainly don't think he's going to be as bad as he was last year because as we've seen from him, there is a track record now. Grant, he's older of him, almost taking two years to recover from significant injuries. And so if that happens again, then we're getting a pretty good version of what Chris Godwin can be. So in this spot I would take a chance on him, but I wouldn't be reaching for him much sooner than this, much earlier than this.
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Yeah, and you're right about the slot rate for Chris goblin. It was about 48% last year, which is low for him when he's been at his best. He's got five really good to great PPR seasons. His slot rate's been over 55% all those years. All right, we only have one news item that I saw, unless you want to throw in some others, but Jeff Howe of the Athletic says that we should be prepared for Chris Rodriguez to be an important part of the Jacksonville offense. Anyway, Dave, right now, as we take a quick break from wide receivers, Basil Tutin is on fantasy pros RB24 and he's in round five whereas Chris Rodriguez is RB43 in round 12. What's better value, Tutin in round five or Rodriguez in round 12?
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I guess it's Rodriguez in round 12, provided that he's healthy when training camp starts. It sounds like he will be. His profile suggests that he's a good short yardage goal line running back, but the stats say Tutin was better in that role last year. I would be nervous about those two becoming an ambiguous duo in the backfield. We touched on this in the mailbag episode, but we didn't really speak too much on Jacksonville being one of those backfields that you could potentially draft the pair and have a starter each week. I just don't know how effective the one starter will be because they could be very much like what Chicago was last year where there's just weeks where one of the running backs is great, the other one leaves you hanging and you don't know which one it's going to be from week to week. It could go that way in Jacksonville.
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Frank in the chat says I'm totally out on Jacksonville's backfield. This feels like such a mess, Jamie.
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I mean, it's, it's potentially a mess. I mean, you know, you, you lose a guy like, you know, Travis ETN at the time, Travis hn, and they didn't really do a lot to replace him. I, I'll go back to what I said. Yes. Or the other show, whatever daters about Alvin Camara and James Connor. Like, this feels like a destination for those guys or one of those guys because it would add a veteran presence that has maybe the opportunity for a little more pop. Then those two guys are certainly a better resume than those two guys. But Chris Rodriguez, as we've talked about, has a history with Liam Cohen. It's part of the reason why he was the fallback plan. They did want J.K. dobbins. That was, you know, recently reported. It was something that I heard as well. And so, you know, if, if they went out and, and tried to get somebody else and, and failed, then clearly that tells you, you know, a little bit about what they did. They settled for somebody could maybe not be the guy that they're hoping he can be. But this is what they have right now. This is what they're going to go to training camp with. And obviously it's a great offense. You know, it's a, it's an offense that showed a lot of improvements and, and really I think helped Travis Etienne who as we know last year is one of the best values I think he was going in this range of, of running back. So I'm still hopeful for both at this point with Rodriguez missing all of the off season. You know, Tooton's the one you want to draft first, but I still think Chris Rodriguez is a great sleeper to target with a, you know, late round pick depending on where his ADP settles.
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Travis etn/hn is one of the biggest asterisks in ADP history because they traded Tank Bigsby last year on September 8th. So that's why HM or ETNH was going as late as he was round nine, I think last year. I don't know where he would have gone. He still would have probably been a really good value though. I probably would have been what, like a six, fifth or sixth round pick after the season he had been coming off. Just speculation. All right, that's our thoughts on the Jaguars backfield. We'll take a break, we'll come back and we'll get into Cortland Sutton Quentin Johnson and Alec Pierce in round seven. After this, beginning our round seven through nine wide receivers discussion with round seven. Be weird to begin with round nine, wouldn't it? Cortland Sutton, Quentin Johnston and Alec Pierce. They are wide receivers 36 through 38 in ADP on fantasy pros. This is PPR. Dave, how would you rank Sutton, Johnston,
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Pierce Pierce and then Sutton and then Johnston, Sutton, Johnson. There's. There's decent gaps between each of them too.
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Okay, Jamie Pierce, Johnston Sutton and Johnston Sutton are very close.
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What do you guys make of Valak Pearson? His injury right now? How difficult is that making your ranking of him? Jamie?
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I'd probably be a little bit more excited about Pierce, but I think just looking at it is, it's it. He's one of the most hardest players to project because you're asking him to do something that he's never done. And a lot of his production last season came at the end of the year without Daniel Jones. But obviously no Michael Pittman. The contract is, is clearly something that you have to buy into. I believe in terms of his injury, he had the surgery when he did to make sure that there would be no issues for his training camp. So he should be fine. Certainly for the start of the season, he should be fine. This is a steal. I mean, I, I haven't seen Alec Pierce going around seven in any draft. I've done none. So I, I'm surprised that his adp like he's. The fact that he's in this range to me speaks to the fact that he's hurt. I think if he was healthy, no issues. You know, we were drafting right after free agency and he signed that deal in terms of like drafting for real. Like we're talking about around five receiver. Like that's the type of upset he has.
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Man, he's so interesting because Guy was a second round pick in 20, 22, 6, 3, 211 pounds. At the combine, he ran a 4, 4, 1. He's just always been pigeonholed as a deep guy at one of the highest adots in the NFL. I believe Alec Pierce has led the NFL in yards per target and yards per catch two straight seasons. But deep ball, deep ball, deep ball. I wonder if he's gonna have. I wonder if he's gonna play a different role this year because he only had 84 targets in 15 games on pace for 95 targets. You can't get a bunch of targets when your average depth of target is like 17 yards. So will he play a different role and what will. How will he do with that role? You know, it's. We know who Cortland Sutton is at this point. Johnston. Quentin Johnson also was going to apparently play a different role. But Alec Pierce, Dave, I still think we don't really know what he's capable
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of and we don't know how effective he'll be in the shorter area role. I just quickly looked and checked out what his receiving metrics were on throws of 18 or 15 or fewer air yards. Excuse me. And it ain't great. His catch rate was 58%. One touchdown, 36 targets in total 15 games. Only 36 of his targets were 15 yards or closer through the air on the line of scrimmage. And that's with a high catchable throw rate from his quarterbacks. 7.4 yards per target, 0.78 yards per route run. This is nasty. This isn't what you want from a receiver. And so you've got to wonder does that change if he gets more opportunities? And you can't help but think that he will get more of those opportunities because Michael Pittman walked out the door, was traded out the door with 111 targets from last year. I know Josh Downs is going to take a lot of those targets away. But Alec Pierce was just paid like a number one wide receiver. I think they have to use him accordingly and it would make sense if they did. We just don't have the evidence that he can succeed on those short and intermediate routes.
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Yeah.
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Makes him a little bit tougher to trust. And that's probably a part of the reason that along with Daniel Jones injury is making people a little squeamish. And I think that's why his ADP is what it is.
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You have his projections on the YouTube site from SportsLine which is 105 targets. Like that's not ideal.
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No. But here's the thing. When you look at Christian Watson and Jameson Williams who are going ahead of him, they are guys who can get about 105 targets and still be. I don't, I don't think he's going to turn 105 targets Alec Pierce into wide receiver 21 in PPR because I just don't think there's enough catches there. But wide receiver like 27, 28. You know, James Jamo has kind of been like that, that guy that you can get 105 targets be that efficient. And Alec Pierce is even more efficient than him so far in his career. I just think like to get 105 targets in full PPR and only the projection was for 58 catches. I don't know how that's going to end up being wide receiver 21.
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No, that. That projection is very close to what JMO did over the course of the 2025 season. And on a per game basis, Jamo was wide receiver 19. And that's an when receiver scoring was down.
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Yeah, right. It was a bad year.
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He might be able to cross over into top 24 territory. I. I think. I don't. I think reaching for Alec Pierce is a mistake. I've got him ranked as around 6 wide receiver in full PPR. That might be a little bit too high. I just don't know how many other wide receivers I love more than him because he does have gargantuan upside. If he can connect on those intermediate throws and they still throw downfield and Daniel Jones is okay, and maybe that's too many ifs, but there is upside for Al Pierce to be better than what these projections suggest and certainly to get more than 105 targets over the course of 17 games.
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Okay, I'm. I'm just not going to draft Cortland Sutton in round seven. There is just no way. Because I really think that, you know, when you. I gave that stat about getting seven or more targets, but the other stat is that about 22ish percent of wide receivers drafted in this range over the last nine years have been top 24 guys and maybe about 10% have been top 12. Like, you can find great players here. I don't see any path to that for Cortland Sutton. Honestly. Even if Jalen Waddle got hurt, I don't know that he could do it. Maybe he's gonna be 31 in October, so I'm just not drafting him. I do like Quentin Johnson. Round seven feels a little early. Jamie, you. I know you like drafting Quentin Johnson. Do you take him in round seven?
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I would, yeah. I mean, I think again, this is gonna be another guy that gets hyped up to a point where he may be too rich to draft in the round six range. But, you know, when you start to talk about the wide receiver numbers, that's where I think it matters more, you know, so if you don't. If you don't like the profile and you don't like the history and, and obviously there are things, you know, you can nitpick about Quentin Johnston and, and I shouldn't say nitpick. You can obviously point out the flaws of what he's done in his profile in the early part of his career. I'm just Banking on what I saw the first four games of the season when Joe Alt was healthy, Mike McDaniel now being there and the things that he's saying about him and how he wants to unlock him and comparing him to Andre Johnson and Julio Jones, the players that he's coached in the past. And that's a little bit obviously hyperbole, but, you know, you're still talking about a player that is a former first round pick that has huge upside. And despite the struggles the last two seasons, if you want to call them struggles, he scored eight touchdowns each of those two years. And so this could be a guy that, similar to Pierce, similar Jameson Williams, similar to Christian Watson, you know, big play potential, doesn't need a lot of targets. If he starts to get those, though, then we could be looking at a guy that can, you know, approach the top 24. I don't think that's in the range of possibility. I shouldn't say, I don't think that's going to happen, but it's in the range of possibilities that he can have an opportunity here to, you know, really take off and just dominate in this offense with McDaniel calling place.
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Dave, do you agree with my take on Cortland Sutton that he just doesn't really have a lot of upside?
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What, what is the upside? It's that Jaylen Waddle doesn't perform to expectations or he gets hurt and then he's forced into being back in the same role that he was in last year. And last year that role resulted in barely almost 13 PPR points per game. And I, that's probably okay if we're talking about around seven wide receiver, it's
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great in round seven. But I, but that's. If Waddle's not good or hurt.
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There are at least four wide receivers that I've found five, make it five wide receivers who last year had at least seven touchdowns and under seven targets per game. So minimum of seven touchdowns and under seven targets per Game, only one of them averaged more than 13 PPR points per game. So if Sutton is seeing a downturn in targets, but it's still going to be a red zone threat, I think you plan accordingly and expect him to be in that 11 or 12 full PPR range. That's okay for round seven. I don't, I don't love it, but I don't love a lot of, I like more of these receivers in like that round eight, round nine range than I do pushing them up into round seven.
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Okay, well, but, except you said for Pierce, you Think this is a good spot.
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Pierce is in that. I think Pierce is in a good spot in round seven. And I think some of the other players, if you're looking on the screen on YouTube, round nine, Pierce all. Wandell, I think Addison angel, like, I think almost all the round nine receivers, if we're getting those guys in round nine, I would pass on most of the receivers in round seven and eight to go after those guys in round nine.
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All right, let's go to round eight, because round nine is Pierce All Jacoby, Myers, Addison Wondale and worthy. Round 8, 6 wide receivers from wide receivers 39 through 44 and ADP Chris Godwin, Michael Pittman, Makai Lemon, Michael Wilson, Jaden Reed and Josh Downs. Chris Godwin, Michael Pittman, Makai Lemon, Michael Wilson, Jaden Reed, Josh Downs. Jamie, who are your three favorites in that group?
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God was my favorite player on this entire list. So he's one. Downs would be two and Wilson would be three.
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Godwin Downs, Michael Wilson ahead of Pittman, Lemon and Reed. Dave, how about you?
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It's Godwin, Downs, Wilson.
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Oh, interesting. Did you know Michael Wilson averaged 21.2 PPR points per game in his last 10?
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Also, I heard that fairly misleading stat somewhere.
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Yeah. Also, Michael Wilson much, much better playing out wide than in the slot. His slot rate was a lot higher with Marvin Harrison Jr. On the field. Okay, Jamie. Jamie, why is Chris Godwin your favorite player not just in round eight, but in all of these rounds, Round seven through nine. So ahead of Sutton, ahead of Johnson, ahead of Alec Pierce, Chris Godwin, I
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mean, we've talked about this a little bit already. I think he goes back to being the slot receiver for Tampa Bay. I think he's going to be healthy compared to what he was last year. You're Talking about Jalen McMillan, Emeka Abuka, Ted Hurst. Young players with a lot of upside, but very unproven track records here. And Godwin and Baker Mayfield have a very strong rapport and strong history together. So I think the value for Godwin is fantastic. There's clearly a lot of downside, as we saw last season. And to your point, he may be done, he may be washed up. That certainly could be the scenario here. But when you're starting to look at targets per game, I think he could lead this entire group production past history. I think he's, you know, resume speaks for itself. And so if he's healthy and I think Tampa Bay, despite the fact that he was hurt last, I think it was last year when they gave him the contract extension. They still feel really comfortable with him as. As being a focal point of this offense and I think that's going to happen. So I'm glad. I'm thrilled to take a chance on him. If I get in round eight, I would take him as early as round seven.
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Okay. And you said Josh Downs after that?
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Yeah, I think Downs, it. It's between Downs and Tyler Warren. They're going to lead the team in targets. I think both guys out target Al Pierce and so how much of a big increase do we see for Downs who averaged over 12 PPR points per game in 2024. Started last year. Injured again. No. Michael Pittman, he's the easy guy to, you know, fill that role and be the short area guy along with Warren for. For Daniel Jones. Jones coming off the injury, how much is he going to throw downfield? Talik Pierce consistently, at least the early part of the season. So I think Downs is a huge winner with Pierce gone. Probably a bigger winner than Alec Pierce. Although Pierce contract, I'm sure he'll take that every day.
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I don't think.
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I think Downs is trying to earn that contract. Yeah, I believe he's not getting that year.
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I don't know, dude.
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He puts together a monster year for Indianapolis and he can.
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It's gonna have to be like a Monroe St. Brown monster year for him to get that type.
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B
What's the difference though between Josh Downs and Jaden Reed? I think Jaden Reed is coming off a really bad year where he got hurt almost immediately. Played hurt, you know. But we say they've lost Romeo Dobbs, Don Tavian Wicks. Both of them are very high slot guys, slot percentage very high. Who don't play enough snaps really. But Jaden Reed has just, I think, been a better version of Josh Downs. I think based on.
- [29:37]
C
It's been a more efficient version of Josh Downs.
- [29:39]
B
Well, look at his.
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A
You have to go back two years to see it though.
- [29:42]
B
Yeah. Okay. Last year stunk, but the first two years of Jaden Reed's career were pretty good.
- [29:47]
C
I think the biggest thing for me is I know Josh Downs is going to be on the field a lot. I don't know if Jaden Reed is going to be on.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And.
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C
And the biggest reason for that is they spent a first round pick on Matthew golden and Christian Watson is clearly their alpha. No matter what Leflore will say he's their best receiver. And so Jaden Reed figures to be more as their slot receiver. And when you have Tucker Crafts and the personnel groupings that they're going to use if they're not in three receiver sets. I don't think Jane Reed's on the field a lot. Josh Downs is going to play outside this year. He there. There's no way around it. He's going to move around. He's going to be a different type receiver. They said as much. And so I think Jane Reed's value is awesome. But if you're telling me I have to take Jane Reed over Josh Downs, I'd rather have Downs.
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B
One point.
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A
Is Jane Reed, who you go after if you don't get downs?
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C
He's one of the guys I would consider, but I mean, you know, we're talking when you're in wide receiver 44, depending on how you draft, you know, if you're putting yourself in a position where you're drafting these guys to have to be your starters, you may be making a mistake.
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A
Right.
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C
Like I'd rather be talking about these guys the way I draft as one of my top reserves. Or worst case, in the flex conversation,
- [31:03]
B
just one point in Reed's favor is not necessarily overdone. I would take Downs over Reed. He scored in 2023, in 2024, 1.3 and 1.4 points per game and rushing totals. It's a little scary because you don't know if he's going to get that. But he's been so damn good with the ball in his hands. Probably too good. You probably shouldn't expect that.
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C
But I mean, we were calling him Debo Light.
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A
Yeah, I, I think you should expect that.
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B
I don't know. 9.1 yards per carry. Debo Samuel in the last three years has averaged 4.5 yards per carry.
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C
No, but in terms of opportunities, I, I think the, the packers would be doing themselves a disservice if they don't give him those touches. And you know, LaFleur, two owners meetings ago, when he was coming off the 2023 season, was, you know, saying as much like, you know, he's, he's a dynamic player. Part of that, though, is why he got hurt. You know, it was just maybe he's not built to do all these extra things. I hope that's not the case, but you never know. But in the case of, of Reed, that's in his favor versus Downs. His quarterback is much better. His offense is probably much better. And I think, you know, if, if he was on the field a lot more and did stay healthy and got those chances and he was, you know, put him on the Colts right now, then it's probably A better situation for him, just terms of playing time. But again, you know, does he, does he make more sense if you're the packers to play him as an outside receiver in whatever spot over Christian Watson or Matthew Golden? I would think they look at it and probably say no, now, they paid him. But again, draft capital, production, they need Christian Watson to win, they need him to stay healthy, and I think they need Matthew golden to sort of justify the draft pick. So he's going to probably get a little bit more opportunities to play. Just in terms of playing time then I think Jaden Reed does, at least early in season.
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B
I'm a little surprised that you guys had Michael Wilson third. Again, the group of six wide receivers were Godwin, Pittman, Lemon Wilson, Jaden Reed, and Downs. Jamie said Godwin Downs, Wilson. David, you said Godwin Blank Wilson, who was the second one.
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A
Downs, downs.
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B
So you both had Godwin Downs, Wilson. I'm a little surprised because Michael Wilson was obviously amazing at the end of last season. But even in that 10 game stretch, or seven, what was it? Seven game stretch, whatever.
- [33:15]
A
Eight games.
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B
Last eight games, he averaged 21.2 points per game. Even in that eight game stretch, there were three games where Marvin Harrison Jr. Played right. Week 13, Marvin Harrison Jr. Played 61 of the snaps. Michael Wilson had a 13 target share. Week 16, Marvin Harrison Jr. Played 51% of the snapshot and Michael Wilson had a 16% target share. Week 17, Marvin Harrison Jr. Played. Oh, I'm sorry, those target shares are. When Harrison was on the field. Week 17, Marvin Harrison Jr. Ran 13 routes when he was on the field. You did have four targets for Michael Wilson, which was a 40% target share. But I'm even in the midst of this incredible run, as soon as Marvin Harrison was on the field, Michael Wilson was pretty much doing nothing. So compared to Makai Lemon, who's got a great opportunity, Jaden Reed, who we just talked about, Michael Pittman, who I will not draft in any leagues. I don't know. No, I. I really cannot see myself. I like him better than Metcalf. I'm definitely not drafting Metcalf, but no, I'm not a Pittman guy. Dave. Yeah, I don't know. I'm a little surprised. Wilson was third for you.
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A
He's third, but he's also ranked 45th amongst all wide receivers. So I, I can't sit here and say that I'm a big proponent of drafting Michael Wilson. But you can't deny what you saw in film last year. You have to hope that the new coaching staff. And, and for what it's worth, Mike LaFleur has said that he views Michael Wilson in the same type of role as Puka Nukua. And I kind of get it. When you watch Michael Wilson play, he's very physical. He's got good for his size, linear speed, he's got decent quickness. Not sure he's got the same type of hands as Puka Nakua, but then again, who does? Puka is just great at about everything and he's a great fit for that offense. I worry about there being a target crunch that remains. And unless, unless Leflore is just completely done with one of Harrison or McBride. I'm worried that there's going to be modest at best target volume for Michael Wilson from week to week and that he will not put up numbers like he did last season when he had so many opportunities, most of which coming when Marvin Harrison was off the field.
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C
So I, I think just the, the biggest thing for Wilson is, and I agree with almost everything Dave said, like Godwin could be great. Pittman may be the best receiver for the Steelers. Maybe Makai Lemon is AJ Brown. Maybe Jaden Reed is the best receiver for the Packers. Maybe Josh Downs is the best receiver for the Colts. Alec Pierce, Quinn, Johnson, Cornstar and all these guys. One guy on this list averaged over 20 PPR points per game for a stretch last year.
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B
First 20
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C
for that stretch.
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B
Oh. Oh, Michael. Oh, sorry. I don't know why I thought you
- [36:10]
A
were on Mike, referencing your set.
- [36:11]
B
I thought you were talking about Michael Pitman for whatever reason. Yes, Michael Wilson. Yes, he did. Unbelievable.
- [36:15]
C
This is, this is where I have him ranked as well. It's in, in the 40s. It's not with the expectation of him doing that again by any stretch. It's not with him being the best receiver on the Cardinals. I still think that's Marvin Harrison. But what if, and that's the reason you're drafting him is the what if. What if what we saw last year is makes him the best receiver not receiving talent, not Better than Shane McBride, best receiver better than Marvin Harrison, who's going, I'm assuming in round five or six. What if Michael Wilson is Pukinakua in the role, not the production, but in the role. Like just those type of ifs makes you want to gravitate toward him. And why some people think Michael Wilson's better than Marvin Harrison? Because Michael Wilson did something Marvin Harrison we've been waiting for. Yeah. So if he does get those opportunities, he's not getting over 13 targets per game because that's what he was averaging when, when Marvin Harrison was out. Like if he gets just more chances and becomes a guy, especially if Jacoby Brissette starts the majority of the season. Look, there's, there's every which way this can go bad. Michael Wilson's track record and history suggests when other guys are there, he's just not the same. But the if. And so I think just if you're talking about your, your fourth receiver, your fifth receiver, he's done things that nobody else on this list has and may ever, ever accomplish in those games that he did last season when Harrison was out.
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B
Yeah, the what if. I mean, my biggest takeaway from what you just said, the what if, is that I'm not drafting Marvin Harrison.
- [37:41]
C
That's fair.
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B
Because he's going, yeah, early round six.
- [37:45]
C
I, I would rather have Harrison because I think he, you know, again, no,
- [37:49]
B
but at 8 at cost. You'd rather have Harrison in round 6 than Wilson around 8?
- [37:53]
C
If it's only a 2 round difference. And yes, I'd rather have her.
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B
Okay. I'd rather have Harrison. I just, I don't want to pay
- [38:00]
A
the round six price for Harrison.
- [38:02]
B
I'd rather have Harrison than Wilson. I don't know about the cost.
- [38:04]
A
Right. I'd rather have Wilson at this cost.
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B
We gotta take a break. I'm sorry, Dave. I gotta take a break. We'll talk about Lemon and Pittman when we come back and then we'll get to the round nine. Guys will be right, right. Back on fantasy football today, let's talk about Vuori clothing. I love these clothes. I love the versatility. That's what really stands out. When I went to the website, the first thing I saw was the tennis shop. So of course I got some tennis shirts from Vuori and they're great to play in, but also I could just wear them around the house or out to lunch. Again. Versatility. That's what you're going to get from Vuoric Clothes. Whether it's shorts, shirts, hoodies, men's clothing, women's clothing, whatever. How about the Vuori core shorts? People love these. Ideal for fitness, running and training, but also stylish and comfortable enough to wear all day. Make sure you check out the core shorts. Vuori is an investment in your happiness. Some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet. For our listeners, they're offering 20% off your first purchase@vuori.com fantasy football. That's V U O R I.com fantasy football exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. Jamie, when I said I wasn't drafting Michael Pittman, you seemed surprised. Do you like him as wide receiver?
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C
40 in this range? I think I have him at 41. No, I'm sorry, I've Metcalf 41. I have him at 44. I think Pittman could be the best receiver for the Steelers. It wouldn't shock me. I mean, again, the way that he plays, the routes that he's going to run, the type of quarterback Aaron Rodgers is. Right now, the only Saving grace for DK Metcalf, for me, is McCarthy's offense is vertical. And is Aaron Rodgers at this age able to do the things I think McCarthy would like to do and certainly would like DK Metcalf to do? Pittman just seems to be a better fit. And so you lose Kenneth Gainwell, obviously, Jalen, Warren, Rico dollar are going to do some things in the passing game, and you know, there's going to be other players that step up and perform. But for the cheap investment, still the production, he's still young enough. He still had a. A good enough year last year. He's had some really good years the past couple of seasons. I think Pitman could be one of the biggest surprises this year now. Not Chris Olave surprise, where you're getting him very late and he's a superstar. But, like, man, I should have taken Michael Pittman sooner or why didn't I value Michael Pittman more? Like he could be one of these guys. We're talking about the end of the 2026 season, like in PPR. I think if you're again looking at the SportsLine projection, six touchdowns feels about the ceiling. I would probably take the over on the 6, 700, 673 yards, but like 7, 77, 800, that range, like that type of guy, like, he could be a really good number three fantasy receiver.
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B
Okay. I'd take Lemon over him, though.
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C
Oh, yeah. More upside.
- [40:52]
B
Dave Lemon or Pitman?
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A
Pittman.
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B
You sure?
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C
Yeah.
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A
Okay.
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B
Sorry. I just. We've talked about him so much that I felt like I needed to play the music and the fact that he's on the Steelers now and he is legitimately the Pitman. Thank you. Michael Pittman all makes sense. Yeah. Michael Pittman said that he was playing a role last year that basically just doing what the Colts were asking him to do. ESPN had had a note that said next gen stats had Michael Pittman with 47 of his routes through week 15 being in breakers, which was the highest rate of his career. So the point of this whole show that Michael. Well, no, the whole. The point of this whole spiel is that he felt like he was going to be used more versatile, more versatility.
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A
Is that with more versatility?
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B
Yeah.
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C
In Pittsburgh be more versatile.
- [41:50]
B
Sure. Someone's saying like Adam hates the Steelers. Adam's hate for the Steelers is real. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna deny it. I just don't think Aaron Rodgers is. Is good enough, especially his deep balls and he doesn't want to get hit and he gets rid of the ball super quickly. That's why I will have 0 DK Metcalf on my team.
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A
Right. Makes all the sense in the world.
- [42:11]
B
I mean, Metcalf had actually a really low adot last year. Just that's what he want that. And that's Metcalf we're talking about. He turned him into a low guy. All right, let's talk about Pitman. Let's talk about round nine.
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C
Piersol, I thought you wanted Lemon.
- [42:26]
B
Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, I thought I kind of did, but sure. What. What do you want to say about Jamie? Give me an outlook on Lemon.
- [42:32]
C
Well, I mean, we know A.J. brown is gone, so that's 121 targets that are left on the table. I think we're all hoping Devonte Smith gets the bulk of that, but that's not realistic. And so how much will Lemon stand out ahead of Hollywood Brown, Duntavian Wicks? There's one other guy. I forget that that group and be the first round talent and produce like he's capable of and it's just an unknown. I don't like the fact that he was hurt in mini camp, so hopefully he'll be healthy. But I mean, my gosh, the. The easiest comp in the world is a Monroe St. Brown and if he could play like that and be that type of guy for Jalen Hurts and I think it's just. It's an easy narrative, but I think it's a silly narrative to say that Jalen Hurts won't throw over the middle of the field. He's definitely has done that. He will do that. He'll continue to do that. I think the new offense will, you know, force him to probably do it a little bit more. And that's where I think the comfort factor comes in. But I mean, there's such huge opportunity here for Makai Lemon. So when you're talking about upside plays in this, I'm gonna guess Jordan Tyson's probably around 6 pick based on his ADP. Wouldn't shock me if. If Makai Lemon is better. You know, just again, looking at what their profiles are and quarterbacks and roles in office, I think Jordan Tyson's a great prospect. I think his role in his offense is going to be fantastic. So it's not to knock him, but Lemon may end up just being in a better spot. And for every reason to love Devonte Smith, he's never had to be the alpha for a full season. It's three games over the course of the last two years that he's been that guy and he's been fantastic. But Makai Lemon may end up being the best receiver Philadelphia. I don't think that's the case. You should not draft the case. I'm not saying that. But there is that potential for a guy being drafted in the first round for a team like Philadelphia. Trading up to go get him, knowing they're going to get rid of A.J. brown, understandably. But trading up to go get Makai Lemon for a reason. And I think they're going to feature him as much as they possibly can.
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B
Okay, Makai Lemon is a round eight pick. As you see, Carnell Tate is an early round six pick. Jordan Tyson is a late round six pick. Who's got the best value of those three rookie receivers? Dave Carnell, Tate, early round six, Jordan Tyson, late round six, and Makai Lemon, round eight.
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A
Tyson is the worst. I think. I think Tyson and, and I think Lemon are closer to round nine around 10. So by default, I will take Carnell
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B
Tate, Jamie, best value.
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C
I'll take the value of Lemon. I would rather have Tate over these guys, but, you know, going back to the Cardinals guys, like, I would pay the two round difference for Marvin Harrison over Michael Wilson. In this case, I would rather take Lemon two rounds later than Jordan Tyson.
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B
All right, now we go to round nine. Round nine. Ricky Piersol, wide receiver, 45. Jacoby Myers, Jordan Addison, Wandale Robinson, Xavier Worthy, Ricky Pierce, all Jacoby Myers, Jordan Addison, Wanda Robinson, Xavier Worthy.
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A
I think I have every wide receiver at least one round higher.
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B
You really like this round, huh?
- [45:35]
A
I do. I love it. These were the receivers I was thinking about when we started the show. And I thought about, all right, these are receivers that could be potential wide receiver threes for your fantasy team. And you're getting them in the middle of your draft.
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B
Would you say you're on cloud nine?
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A
It's not quite seventh heaven.
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C
Yeah, but eight is great. It is great.
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B
We're on cloud nine. Okay, who do you like the best day? Who are your top three? Pearsall Myers, Addison Wondale worthy I believe
- [46:06]
A
that I have Wondale in full PPR ranked the highest of this group and it's based on everything that we've already talked about. The fact that he's not sharing with a tremendous alpha and even if he was, he did it in 2024 with Malik neighbors and he still had huge target volume and his role has changed since then and he's probably a little bit better of a wide receiver now than he was two years ago. Pearsall's next but the argument is all upside based and then I. I've got Addison and Myers basically back to back. I currently have Addison one spot ahead. I could see Myers being a little bit safer and I might end up putting Myers ahead of Addison.
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B
Myers is another guy I'm just not drafting. I just.
- [46:51]
A
There isn't a great upside case to make for him unless it's all contingency based. Brian Thomas doesn't put it all together. Parker Washington was a flash in the pan. Jaguars have no choice but to up the targets for Jacoby Myers who could handle it. But last year in Jacksonville. Last year in Jacksonville 10 games, 11 PPR points per game 6.5 targets per game. It's a little tough to see him being that much better this year.
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B
Yeah, I think it's. I'm trying to. The last six games when Brian Thomas Jr. Came back after the ankle injury, Myers had a 25% target share. Parker Washington missed one of those games, played less than 56% of the snaps in three of the five games he played. So there is that. But Jacoby Myers like definitely was a big part of the offense and he's a good player. He'll probably outperform his ADP. ADP wide receiver 46 Jacoby Myers does every year. Yeah, he'll probably outperform that. I just. I don't know if I'm going to buy into Parker Washington and I am to a degree. I just can't really get excited about Jacoby Myers. I don't know this is a good round but I, I think these. I personally think these guys deserve to be behind most of the players in front of them. Doesn't sound like Dave does. Jamie, how do you feel about it? Pearsall, Myers, Addison, Wanda, Worthy, Pearsall and
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C
Robinson should definitely go ahead of some of the guys in round eight. I think just looking at Robinson, the fact that he's still tied to Dable is important. I think the fact that Carnotate has still to prove something is important. I don't think Robinson matches anything close to his targets the last two years. I just don't think that's possible with Cam Ward and the offense are going to run in Tennessee, but it could happen. And Pearsall is really just based on hope, you know, so can he ever, you know, it's almost like what you know, I was saying about Michael Wilson like you know, totally different. I shouldn't say Pearsall is the, is, is the hope that you get the type of player that we've seen flashes of and so if that ever materializes. And again he's had a hard time staying healthy but age wise he's sharing the field with a 30 plus year old Mike Evans, a 30 plus year old George Kittle coming off an Achilles injury and he's got the longest tenure of the, you know, top receiving option I should say of the wide receivers are going to play because Stribling's a rookie and Evans and Christian Kirk are new to the team. So hopefully Pierce all can, you know, just stay on the field and start to produce. But I think Jordan Addison's an interesting case because we keep saying oh Justin Jefferson was great in the Carson Wentz games. Well so is Jordan Addison, you know, he played really well when it wasn't J.J. mcCarthy and so hopefully Kyler Murray's presence and you know, I hope not being ruined by Juwan Jennings presence but you know, Jordan Addison can have an opportunity here to you know, play at a high level hopefully and deliver on some of the, the things that we've seen from him. Like you alluded to, whether it was the mailback or this show, a lot of it has been touchdown related and, and what he's accomplished but that's still something to you know, gravitate towards. So I think a lot of these guys on list, on, on each round on this list have the potential to pop but it just in terms of the round nine guys you're hoping Wanda Robinson targets like he's to me just a cheap version of what we're expecting from Parker Washington and Josh Downs and you can get him you know, significant later than Washington and even later than Downs here and Pierce hall is more just hope. I do think that the Jacksonville scenario is, is very intriguing because we're going to sit here and say if Brian Thomas does this, if Parker Washington does that and whatever Travis Hunter provides like Jacoby Myers could just be the constant presence for this offense. Like you said, he played a lot. I think that's going to continue because the trade for him and the contract extension that they gave him. I think Meyer stays on the field probably more than we want. So we'll see how that matters more so for maybe Thomas and Hunter, because I do think Parker Washington stays on the field quite a bit as well.
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B
Myers is the kind of guy to me that has like a really good five game stretch. Just never really puts it together for a full season, I guess. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.
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A
No, I, I don't see him that way.
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B
He has one. He has one year in his career. He's 29. He'll be 30 in November. Kobe Myers has one year in his career with more than 866 yards. One he's usually in the 50, 50 to 55 yards per game year. He had one really good year, 2024 with the Raiders. He averaged 67.4, 68.5 yards per game. Pardon me, when was that?
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A
20.
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C
Adams was traded, right?
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A
Right.
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B
Yeah, mostly.
- [51:41]
A
So he's, he's had like half year splits that are pretty good, right? Yeah. And so it's not five games, it's like double that.
- [51:48]
B
Okay, fair.
- [51:49]
A
But it's like it's. Something needs to happen in order for that split to reveal itself. And that's what I was kind of getting at with with Jacksonville. If everybody stays healthy for the majority of the year and BTJ is better than he was last year, then, you know, it's the term Jamie's been using for 19 years. It's Steady Eddie. He's probably in that 10 PPR range.
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B
Okay, let's talk about Xavier Worthy. We haven't really gotten to him. Didn't really get to see a lot of Xavier Worthy last season, at least the healthy version of Xavier Worthy. He got hurt in week one. When he came back, he wasn't running a normal route tree. He was limited by the injury. He finished his rookie season very strongly, but mostly, if not all, without Rasheed Rice. So I guess all. Jamie, do you. How much hope do you have for Xavier Worthy, the last of these wide receivers in round nine. Wide receiver, 49 in ADP.
- [52:48]
C
The Chiefs obviously have a lot of faith in Xavier Worthy because you have Rashi Rice who went to jail and had another knee procedure and has all kinds of potential red flags surrounding his off field stuff. Travis Kelsey's 35 years old, going to be 36 in October and they didn't do anything. You know, they went out and they got Cyrus Allen and you know, they, they didn't do anything to help this receiving core. And so I think that speaks to that they are hoping expecting needing Xavier Worthy to to play at a higher level. Now that doesn't mean he's going to be a great fantasy receiver because we haven't seen him do it consistently and there's still as of now Kelsey back Rice available, healthy, all things ready to go. So where does that leave him on a team that seemingly wants to run the ball a lot more after what they did this off season and going get Kenneth Walker and Amari D. Mercado and drafting Emma Johnson. So plus you have my homes coming off an injury so I think Worthy is appropriately priced if you want to take him as early as round seven. I get it. If Rice has another problem, health related or off field related, then his ADP will explode and, and Worthy will hopefully play at a higher level. But that's the scenario that we went through last year and he couldn't stay on the field to open the season. So Taekwond Thornton and these other guys are going to have to probably play more than I'm sure the Chiefs want and probably more than fantasy managers want. But I think Xavier Worthy is a good late round flyer just with the hope of maybe he can live up to the potential. I kind of, you know, again, I, I said this yesterday with, with a couple of guys to me, Xavier Worthy and Matthew golden or the Spider man me like there's so much upside, so much potential. Will it ever materialize? That's what we're waiting to see.
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B
By the way, Travis Kelsey wishes he were 35, about to turn 36. He is 36, about to turn 37.
- [54:47]
C
Sorry.
- [54:47]
B
Did you hear he got married?
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C
I did. You know, I was gonna, I, I didn't want to bog the showdown, but I was going to say, hey, I got a good bit for you guys of I was going to do. I was going to make Dave be Travis Kelsey and you be Taylor Swift and I was going to marry you as Bobby Boucher.
- [55:02]
B
Oh, because Adam Sandler married them.
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C
Right, right, right.
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A
That sounded like the worst skit ever until you talked about Bobby boucher.
- [55:11]
C
Do you, Mr. Kelsey, take Taylor Swift like I take Vicki Valancourt to be my, my lawfully wedded wife, but I just couldn't think of like the funny stuff to add to it.
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B
Yeah, I don't even know what I would say as Taylor Swift, but it's not a bad, it's not a bad premise. I like where you're going with that. Again, these round nine wide receivers are Pierce All, Jacoby, Myers, Jordan Addison, Wandale Robinson and Xavier Worthy.
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C
I did see somebody, like, post on Twitter, like, he, he said to Taylor Swift, like, do you take Travis, Kelsey, blah, blah, blah stuff? And then he turned to Kelsey, like, skippity, do something stupid. Just make him laugh.
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B
Yeah, I like this group here. And wide receivers. Fun, right? It's weird because we're coming off this year. We say it all the time. Bad year for wide receivers. Bad year for wide receivers. Yet here we are talking about wide receivers 45 through 49 in round nine and being like, man, I can get behind these guys. And there may not be that big of a difference between round nine and round seven, or maybe even round six. Yeah, that's a good question. Like, how big of a difference is there between round seven and round nine? Round seven being Sutton, Johnston and Pierce, round nine being Pearsall, Myers, Addison, Wandale Worthy.
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C
But this is, this is the blob, right? So like, it's Almost wide receiver 30 through 50. Like, you can make strong arguments, pro and con for each of these guys.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I think it's, I think it's probably closer to like 40 through 55, something like that. And so I, I, to me, it just comes down to who. Who do you like? Who do you think has a chance? Who's got huge upside and maybe a safe floor to go along with it?
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B
The stats.
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A
Those are the guys you gravitate towards.
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B
Again, the stats would say who has huge upside is basically the same question as who can get seven targets per game.
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A
Right? Okay, so answer that question. And we did that to start the show.
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C
Yeah, but like Sutton, Johnston, Pierce, Addison, maybe Worthy, maybe Michael Wilson, like Pierce, all like that could be touchdowns more so than targets that save them for sure.
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A
Yeah, but they're going to need to score a hell of a lot of touchdowns to make up for a lack of targets.
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B
Man, Godwin. What a roller coaster I've been on with Chris Godwin.
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A
Last year was a roller coaster. Remember the one game he came back, the first time he came back and he looked unreal, and then every other game after that, he looked terrible.
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B
I don't remember that being the case. I remember him getting a ton of targets, but us not necessarily thinking he looked unreal, but I could be.
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A
I thought he looked good in that.
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C
Remember we had an ADR touchdown. Adam hated it.
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B
He's so slow.
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A
I finished the year with five and a half targets per game, and he averaged about 11 PPR. I think a little more than 11 PPR points per game. So if you think he can get to six and a half Targets per game. I. I think he's one of those guys that safe floor, decently high ceiling. I don't know about a mega ceiling, but a good solid top 24 type ceiling.
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B
It's not going to take much for me to be back on the Chris Godwin bandwagon. I just need to hear that he's. That he's healthy.
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C
So.
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B
I know he's healthy.
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C
Have you heard otherwise?
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B
No, no. I. I want to hear something like I just wasn't myself last year. Now I'm fully back and then. And then I really think he could be one of the true steals of the draft. Now he could say that and not mean it. But I put it this way. If he is back to being what he at, at the full strength of what he was in 20244 when he was the third best wide receiver per game in PPR. Chris Godwin is going to be the best value in fantasy. I mean Evans is gone. Evans being gone is such a huge deal because this guy got all of the end zone and red zone and green zone targets. This is who Baker Mayfield looked at all the time. That guy being off the field is a. Is a huge deal.
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C
Right. Which is why you're hoping that's a Buka. But still Godwin could easily be that type.
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B
Right? Yeah. I mean. But right. You are hoping it's.
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C
But like you said, it could be Jalen McMillan. You know, he's could be. When. When those guys were hurt at the end of 2024. He was amazing.
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B
One other thing about that is that Baker Mayfield went from 7.9 yards per attempt to 6.8. He threw for or the team threw for 750 fewer yards and 15 fewer touchdowns. When you look at bounce back wide receivers, you need bounce back quarterbacks to get there. Not always but you. That's a. Like a sort of a cheat code. I think the Bucks could probably not going to get back to the 2024 levels but certainly can be better than they were in 2025.
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C
I was just real life scenario. I. I took a mecha buka in round five four of the fishbowl and through round six. I did not have a quarterback yet and I was waiting to see because I'm picking two. So I was coming back the other direction. The manager picking at one also did not have a quarterback yet. I was like I'm going to take Jared Goff because I already committed to Gibbs and la. But Baker was my fallback option to just sort of, you know.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You know, marry him with With a Booka. And then I was gonna try and see if I get Goblin on the way back.
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B
I have so many questions. First, a point of clarification. Earlier, I said DK Metcalf had a low eight out with Aaron Rodgers. Actually wasn't that low, but it was a career low for him. But it wasn't a super low. A dot. I have so many questions. You're in the Scott Fishbowl. You don't have a quarterback. It's a super flex league, so it's not on. It's unusual to not have a quarterback in round six.
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C
How.
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B
I am on pick 13 of the Scott Fishbowl. How the hell are you in round five or six already? What is going. This just started yesterday. Where are you eight?
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C
We're moving. We're cooking.
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A
It's almost to your advantage, Adam, to be in a slower draft.
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B
Oh, I love it. I love it.
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A
Way more ADP information comes in that can help guide you.
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B
I mean, not just that, but I have a draft to look forward to for a while.
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C
Why? I don't understand not having a rookie draft to look forward to.
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B
Yeah, that'll happen at some point. You know, people in the Scottish will. Come on, let's hurry up, Joe, it's July 7th.
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C
We have not had one person be like, oh, you got on the clock. You got to go. Like, this has been very organic. First time this happens. Very fun.
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B
I think it's not fun. I think you're. I think you're.
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C
I think I got a lot of drafts coming up.
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B
I think what you're doing is terrible. All right, everybody, thanks so much for watching and listening.
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C
I get very impatient, so, like, I have to stare at the thing constantly because I don't want to miss my picks.
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B
You want to hear what happened with me? I don't know if this actually. All right, so. So last night I played tennis and I was, like, on deck in the Scott Fishbowl. So I put Trey McBride. It's a massive bonuses for tight ends. I put Trey McBride in my queue. Bowers was already off the board, and I. I forgot about the league, and I log on at, I don't even know, midnight or something. It was like 10:30 after the soccer game, and I said, oh. And it said, the draft was paused and Drake May had been selected, and the commissioner had removed Drake May from the pick. And it was the pick before me, but I thought it was me, and I wrote, oh, damn it. I auto picked. I had McBride in my queue. I figured it would select him. I'M sorry, everyone. Apologies for holding everyone up. And then someone said no, someone who didn't. Someone didn't pick. They were removed and they're looking for a replacement now. So I go, oh, gotcha. Well, then, never mind. I definitely do not have Trey McBride in my queue. I hate McBride. Right? So I totally gave away who I was gonna pick, and of course the guy got.
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C
Why would you do that?
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B
What's that?
- [62:44]
C
Why would you do that?
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B
Because I thought that I auto picked Drake. I thought I was on the clock
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C
and they paused to say I had somebody in my queue, not who you had in your queue.
- [62:52]
B
Well, it doesn't matter because I thought fantasy before. I thought it was paused on my pick. I didn't realize it was the pick before me, so I thought I was on the clock. I was just gonna take Trey McBride. And anyway, they added the guy and he took McBride. So I don't know if you saw
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C
my chat or not, but it's probably because of you. I mean, you're the fantasy expert in there, right?
- [63:12]
B
I guess. I don't know if there are others, but I don't even know if these people know who I am.
- [63:17]
C
Everybody knows who you are.
- [63:18]
B
That's definitely not true. We'll see. We'll see.
- [63:22]
C
You're Dan Schneier's driver.
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A
I know you as Dave Azer's little brother.
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C
There you go. See? Famous.
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B
So is my mom.
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C
All right, well, we'll talk to you.
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B
We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today. See ya.
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A
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B
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A
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B
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C
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B
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