Dave Richard (3:24)

You.

Adam Azer (3:25)

You looked up some players who had great second halfs in 2023, and let's see if they were any good in 2024. I have no idea who's that great.

Heath Cummings (3:33)

Giving me a chance to. To find these guys. By the way, you're. You're swell. All right. I've only got receivers and running backs or receivers and tight ends. We can get back to running backs. Do you think you can name some of the tight ends that had huge second halves not last season, but the season before their household names? Yep.

Jamie Eisenberg (3:56)

McBride.

Heath Cummings (3:57)

Yep.

Adam Azer (3:59)

Oh, gonna say Hawkinson finished pretty strong.

Heath Cummings (4:05)

He was. He finished strong, but he was good in the first half, too. How about a former Giant.

Adam Azer (4:14)

Shocky?

Heath Cummings (4:16)

Yes. What are you drinking? You're drinking?

Adam Azer (4:19)

Sure.

Heath Cummings (4:21)

It's a protein shake.

Adam Azer (4:22)

Oh, okay. I have no idea. Jamie, what'd you say?

Jamie Eisenberg (4:32)

That was more fun.

Adam Azer (4:33)

Dave's drinking is. Sure. Who. What's the answer?

Heath Cummings (4:36)

Evan Ingram.

Adam Azer (4:37)

Oh, Derp. Yeah, of course.

Heath Cummings (4:39)

And then Jaden Reed. You just mentioned him. Remember how gaga I was for him after how he finished 2023?

Adam Azer (4:46)

Yeah.

Heath Cummings (4:46)

And then Rasheed Rice had a pretty big finish to his rookie year and was huge for Fantasy. I can get you some running backs here if you really want, but the. The context is interesting. A lot of players who we. We all. We bought into all of them on draft day. The guys that we've talked about so far. McBride absolutely was a stud. Rasheed Rice was on his way to being better than how he finished his rookie season. Jaden Reed started great, fell off in a major way. Evan Ingram never got back to where he was. And I think we sort of knew that because he was the number one target getter toward the end of 2023. And Najoku just needed Desean Watson to get hurt for him to get fully unleashed in the Cleveland Browns offense.

Adam Azer (5:31)

I am so bad at trivia. I love giving you guys trivia, but I hate it when other people quiz me. I mean, a former Giants tight end that had a really good finish to 2023 and I couldn't think of it. You could have said he was on Jacksonville. Giants drafted him out of Ole Miss in the first round. I wouldn't have gotten it. I just like I'm terrible at trivia. But anyway, you got your running back shadow is giving you time to get your running breeze.

Heath Cummings (5:53)

Hall had a monster end to 2023, but he also had some good games before that. Let's see Kyron Williams again, kind of like Bree Hall. He was good before and then was a stud after Rashad White qualifies, let's roll with Rashad White who had from week nine on nine through 17, he averaged 18.6 PPR points per game. And what happened to him the following year? We drafted him as a top 15ish type running back and Bucky Irving came in and. And turned Rashad White into who he really is. Devin Singletary, another guy, Ben, finished 2023, not bad for Houston, took over for Damian Pierce, I believe, and then just went to New York and didn't do much there. I think that was one that we kind of knew was gonna happen.

Adam Azer (6:42)

I think Pierce, to go back to 2022 is a guy that had a big finish even though he got hurt late in 2022. But yeah, I, I mean, personally, I was out on Pierce two years ago and I was out on Rashad White last year who actually finished 21st per game and Bucky Irving finished 20th per game, which is interesting but much difference. He's almost a full fantasy point apart separating them. So a big gap there. I don't know that we were so high on Rashad White. Anyone on this show last year. I know his ADP was in the third round, but no, I don't.

Heath Cummings (7:11)

I don't think anybody was crazy for him, but we were still drafting him. I don't think he was on anybody's don't draft list. Maybe yours, Adam?

Adam Azer (7:18)

Yeah, probably. I don't. Officially, I don't. I don't. Didn't draft him in one league. All right. Anyway, yeah, so we'll get into the best and the worst of the second half. I did weeks 10 through 17 and we'll talk about them. I think a very interesting change for Jordan Addison, which I did not realize until looking into it this morning. So I'm excited to talk about that. Yeah. Adot. Is that what you're going with?

Heath Cummings (7:42)

It's not just a dot, it's also red zone opportunities. Target per route run went up some. Some weird things definitely happened for Addison, but there were changes made to how they deployed them in Minnesota and you just have to hope that that continues at the start of next year.

Adam Azer (7:59)

And Jamie, how are things with you?

Jamie Eisenberg (8:01)

Good. I didn't realize we had to do breakouts for Express, so I'm doing that now.

Adam Azer (8:06)

Okay. Well, you should check out CBS Sports hq. I don't talk enough about CBS Sports hq, but there's a lot going on in the sports world. NBA is about to pick up again. You got a big time hockey game tomorrow. Canada and USA golf season. March Madison HQ is so good for March Madness. This is how I get acquainted with all of the teams before I fill out my bracket. I watch CBS Sports hq. They've got really good experts. They got gambling experts, but it's, you know, just covers all sports. There's something for everyone on CBS Sports hq. You can watch it on the CBS Sports app. You can watch it on your smart tv. If you haven't tried it, you're going to love it. CBS Sports hq. Just some quick news and notes. Chris Godwin's contract was set to void. The Buccaneers pushed back the date of his his void date in his contract to give them more time to potentially work out a new deal. We'll see what happens there with Chris Godwin. Carolina signed Andy Dalton to a two year deal. Good, solid backup. The Bengals, according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, they're going to attempt to give, you know, big contracts to defensive end Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. We'll see what happens. I think the Eagles have shown that they can extend a lot of players and give them big deals. AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, Jalen Hurts. Barkley's done a pretty big deal for a running back and still do pretty well. So hopefully the Bengals can pull that off.

Jamie Eisenberg (9:27)

All right, the best second sign Howie Roseman then.

Adam Azer (9:31)

Yeah. Is he great or what? He's a gator, right?

Jamie Eisenberg (9:34)

Believe so, yeah.

Adam Azer (9:36)

Best second half performers, weeks 10 through 17. I got four guys, two running backs, two wide receivers. What I want you to do is I want you to rank them in terms of how legit you think it is. All right. Chase Brown, number six running back overall. And they're all pretty much the same per game as they are. You know, I'll give per game. I'll give per Game. Chase Brown, number five, running back per game and half and full PPR. Bucky Irving, number six, running back per game and half & full PPR. Jerry Judy, number six, wide receiver per game. And Jordan Addison, number 11, wide receiver per game, 10 and a half PPR, 11 in full PPR. So Chase Brown, that's how you would rank them in legitimacy?

Jamie Eisenberg (10:20)

Yes.

Adam Azer (10:21)

But you took Irving over Brown. Was it you? I think you took Irving over Brown a few days ago or last week in one of the drafts. Let me double check.

Jamie Eisenberg (10:32)

It was probably because I was drafting for like six people.

Adam Azer (10:34)

Let me double check before I accuse you. It wasn't Tuesday.

Heath Cummings (10:37)

Does ranking for legitimacy equal fantasy football rankings?

Adam Azer (10:42)

Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't. I think probably translates, but yeah, maybe. Which performances are you buying the most?

Jamie Eisenberg (10:54)

Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, Jerry Judy, Jordan Addison.

Adam Azer (10:59)

Okay, that's fair. You did. In the league where you were drafting for you and the person who drafted Chase Brown. Me. You drafted Bucky Irving before Chase Brown. They both went in round three. And I honestly feel like Bucky Irving is going ahead of Chase Brown consistently in our drafts. And I'm the only one who ever takes Chase Brown. Dave, how do you see that? Those four.

Heath Cummings (11:24)

I am a little hesitant on all four of them. Like, I don't think any of them is. Is guaranteed to repeat what they did last year. So like, on, on my legitimacy, legitimacy scale, I'll say 7 out of 10 for Brown, 7 out of 10 for Bucky, 6 out of 10 for Addison, and like 4 out of 10 for Judy.

Adam Azer (11:47)

Interesting.

Heath Cummings (11:49)

Yeah, I just, I don't. There's too much uncertainty right now in Cleveland to guarantee that Jerry Judy is going to be right back into the high volume role that he was in to finish last year.

Jamie Eisenberg (12:00)

There's not uncertainty in Minnesota.

Heath Cummings (12:03)

There's. There's less of it. I, it's almost like I, I trust the coaches there. Even if it's not Sam Darnold at quarterback to, to come up with a solution that'll keep that offense rolling. And when we talk about Jordan Addison, like, the things that flip for him in the second half are encouraging and it makes me hopeful that he can keep a lot of those same traits going with the same coaching staff.

Adam Azer (12:27)

You know, you talked about some of the things that flipped, but he actually, in two seasons, I think in 2023, I believe he led the team in red zone targets and green zone targets. He's been a factor there. Jordan Addison, the adot was really eye opening for me because he went in the first half of the season a 15 yard ADOT guy which I'm pretty sure is where Addison was in his rookie year. And that's a, that's a red alert for me once we get to 15 or higher you just don't see consistently good wide receivers that aren't Mike Evans. And then he went down to 11 yards about 11, 11 and a half yard a dot in the second half and that is how you become a guy who had a 24ish percent target share even with Hawkinson because Hawkinson barely played in the first half of the season. Addison's best work came with Hawkinson playing more but his laid out was lower. Addison, his target share was much higher and he was still scoring touchdown. This guy's a touchdown machine. I mean I don't know if that's going to hold up. Maybe it's fluky but that's a huge development for me in my opinion to see him not just being a downfield threat. That's how you get more consistency.

Heath Cummings (13:34)

His targets per game went up by three after week eight. So week nine on 7.6 targets per game, 16 red zone targets in his last 11 games including the postseason. 20.4% target per route run rate. I, I, I, this is what I'm hoping for. And then you mentioned the ADOT going down and maybe some of the reason why the ADOT went down is because he had more red zone targets. Hard to have a high a dot in the red zone.

Adam Azer (14:00)

No, because he did that as a rookie. I'm pretty sure. I mean that might be part of it but.

Heath Cummings (14:05)

Okay, well they didn't do that at the first half of last year and it hurt him last year. His numbers weren't as good at the beginning of the year.

Adam Azer (14:14)

I'll get Jamie in in a minute but just another example and I was wrong. I was wrong about his ADOT. His 8 out was only 12 and a half yards in 2023. I thought it was higher but what.

Heath Cummings (14:25)

Were his red zone numbers in 2023?

Adam Azer (14:27)

Very good. I like he. I don't have him off top of my head but he led the team I'm pretty sure in, in red zone. Jordan Addison we're talking about here, right? 2023 led his team in red zone, green zone and end zone targets. Now keep in mind Justin Jefferson got hurt in 2023. Mr. Chunk. TJ Hawkinson got hurt in 2023, Addison didn't. But he was a red zone factor. Just another example of a dot and how it matters Is Jameson Williams just separate topic here. That's a guy whose adot went way down the second season. It was a lot more consistent because of it. When you look at @Brown vs. Irving, Jamie, you like Brown better and they both went in round three. I don't see them in round one often. I actually think I ranked them as top 12 guys or close to it. But do you think they. Where do you think they belong, Brown and Irving?

Jamie Eisenberg (15:24)

I think they are back in the round two early part of round three. Type of players, you know, you look at their, their potential, their upside, what they showed last season. I think Irving, you know, his, his. His stretch when he was the featured guy for the Bucks was pretty impressive. Obviously Browns stretch from about week four on was extremely impressive. The question will become mostly for Cincinnati because I don't think Tampa Bay is adding to its backfield because they're expected to bring back White and Tucker. So that's really not a position of need for them. Is the Cincinnati bringing somebody that significant competition for. For Brown? And that's the question, you know, so if they don't, then the sky's the limit. If they do, then you have to wonder just how it'll all work together. You know, we could have. And this is something that scares me a little bit in terms of the rookie class because it's very deep, there's a lot of talent. But we also could be looking at once we get to the day, three guys of another Trey Benson, another Blake Corum of talented player in a backfield that doesn't get used. And so then it's still the Chase Brown show and it's gonna probably bring down his value a little bit, his ADP a little bit, I should say. And then you're getting him at a much better cost. So, so keep an eye on. On whoever they bring it. You know, if they, if they spend a significant draft pick on that position, which it would be shocking if they do that if they're going to spend all this money on these players that they go and spend high draft capital when they need to fix their defense on a running back, you know, so it wouldn't shock me if it's, you know, another Zach Moss type of player, you know, and also run type of veteran who's out there that they can get for cheap that's trying to resurrect his career and then does that impact things a little bit differently as well? But I think Chase Brown and. And Bucky Irving showed in 2024 that they could be amazing fantasy options fantastic for their teams. Can do everything that's needed of them. Obviously Brown more in the passing game so far than Irving, but I think Irving could do that. So we'll see how that all translates to 20, 25. But two guys that I'm very excited to draft and and would love to get them later on to early round three.

Adam Azer (17:30)

All right, I'm going to take a break. I got some more stats to give out on those guys and then we'll transition to we got to talk about Jerry Judy also, we transitioned to the worst second half performers, some of the more concerning ones. We'll be right back after this on Fantasy Football today. Wow. What's up?

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All remember, of course our Valentine's Day show. Chase Brown was my Valentine. I don't know that he's going to be an 80% of the snap guy. He played 80% or more of the snaps in each of his last eight games. He was on the field all the time and he was their first down, second down and third down back from weeks nine through 17 when he was the number three running back per game in full PPR on pace for nearly 2,000 total yards, 81 catches. I did the math. If you just take out his third down catches in that stretch is after the Zach Moss injury. His if you take away his third down catches, let's say they get a third down back to replace him and he's the first and second down guy. He goes from an 81 catch pace to a 60 catch pace. And that was with Joe burrow throwing like 42 and a half times per game. So I do, I think it's pretty. I think you could see Chase Brown if he is the featured back for them. I think you could see him go from an 80 catch pace to more like 50 catches, which is where Mixon lived. If they throw the ball less and if they add a complimentary running back. So that is just still good. Still good. But just something I kind of, I thought about. Dave, anything concern you about Brown? Actually, let me ask you this. When you look at Brown, he averaged 4.3 yards per carry for this season. You look at Bucky Irving, he averaged 5.8 yards per carry for the season. His metrics were unbelievable. His advanced metrics. He was elite. You know, kind of like almost H hand. Not quite, but like what we've seen from these unbelievable rookies. Does that matter at all when you compare the two guys?

Heath Cummings (20:16)

I, I think that both of them proved how good they can be to their respective coaching staffs and that'll give them early opportunities to start next year. It doesn't preclude those teams from going after another running back in the draft. Rashad White's going to be a free agent after this year. Wouldn't surprise me if like round three, round four, round five, Tampa takes another running back. I am definitely not going to be surprised if Cincinnati takes another running back. And they could very easily take somebody. There were a lot of guys in Mobile at the Senior bowl that look like they can be good passing down type running backs. I'm doing a report on Trevor ETN right now. His hands are awesome. Putting him in a backfield in Cincinnati to take that 20 to 30% of SNAP share overall is absolutely not a death sentence on Chase Brown because he's able to do so much more. And you just, you know, showed that he can do a lot in the passing game on first and second downs. I, I don't see why either team would limit either of those running backs unless they just aren't good to start the year. And I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest that either one was overrated last season.

Adam Azer (21:27)

No, but do you care about the metrics? The yards per carry, the yards after contact? Bucky Irving led all running backs and yards after contact per carry.

Heath Cummings (21:35)

We've, we've been duped by those types of stats before and now I just think it's. It. The, the stats that I like to lean on is what kind of opportunities did these guys get? And they got a lot of really good opportunities. What's exciting about Bucky is he, he didn't have the same type of workload that Chase Brown had. Bucky. Yeah, he only had two games all year where he played 60 of the snaps or more. And he, he did it in the wild card game as well. But he still had 15 plus attempts in each of his past five. Awesome efficiency, including the wild card game. That's what I hope the Bucks are thinking is let's make this guy our 1aMaybe we try and improve at some point on 1b. What I would hope for as a fantasy manager is that they don't do a good job of improving on that one B and they just end up giving Bucky Irving a little bit more work. And in the majority of the games, he's getting 60% of the snapshot. And there's games where he has, you know, gusts up to 70, 75% of the snaps.

Adam Azer (22:34)

I caught that. All right, we'll get to Jerry.

Heath Cummings (22:37)

You're the only one who caught it, by the way. Black visor.

Adam Azer (22:40)

We'll get to Jerry. Judy, in a minute here. Yeah, Bucky Irving. The last four games of the season, including the playoff game, it was, oh man, it was like 70 something carries to eight for Rashad White. I, I have it somewhere, but yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (23:02)

72 calories was that he was dominating work.

Adam Azer (23:05)

Yeah, it wasn't really until the, the last four games, including the playoff, 72 carries to for Irving, 10 for Rashad White in the last four games of the season. All right, Jamie, so you had Judy ahead of Addison and Dave had it switched. What's your case for Judy?

Jamie Eisenberg (23:23)

It's almost the same case that we make for David Najoka. Right. Like you just take desean Watson off the field and the other quarterbacks there, mostly Jameis, were better for Jerry Judy. And I think, you know, you got to give the Cleveland front office, they didn't make a smart move with their quarterback decision, but this was pretty smart move to go get Jerry Judy and move on from Amari Cooper. And when they moved on from Amari Cooper, Jerry Judy finally started to look like the guy that was drafted as a first round talent in that draft class that we thought was going to be amazing. Was it four years ago, five years ago, he, he looked apart, you know, and, and had a lot of big time breakout performance, one in particular against his former team. You know, so there's the upside there to be a top 10 caliber fantasy receiver. You know, you look at this receiving core right now, Cedric Tillman had a hard time getting back on the field after he got hurt. Elijah Moore is kind of just a guy at this point. You know, Najoku had a hard time staying healthy last year also. So we're expecting them to draft a quarterback and that guy to be the starter for the majority of the 2025 campaign. Hopefully, whether it's Cam Mortar, Shadow Sanders or somebody else where they go out and they get Kirk Cousins, you know that they're looking at someone who's going to lean on Judy to the same way that Jameis did and this coaching staff did after Cooper left. So target should definitely not be an issue. Again, ability was there and so now you're starting to hopefully see it translate. And the best part about it is for him and probably the same thing for Jordan Addison. But I mean, all the drafts we've done, Judy's fallen, you know, and I don't know if that's just perception of who he still might be, who he may regret, rest back to. But I'll buy in a little bit, probably sooner if this is the case, you know, so I'll start looking for him in that round five range if I'm. If, you know, the way I draft, he'll be my third receiver. Have no problem doing that. I did it two drafts ago in our PPR mock as my fourth receiver. Again, he probably slipped a little bit just based on how our draft room is set up, but just love the setup for what he has going into 2025, assuming the quarterback situation is somewhat competent. And again, Jameis being somewhat competent now, he's going to be a little more aggressive than a rookie will. But I think just looking at, you know, totally agree with Dave, the. The Minnesota coaching staff has proven to be very good for its, you know, skill players and pass catchers. It's not like the Browns offensive staff, specifically Kevin Stefanski is not going to be bad for this team. And we may be seeing a transition, not just a quarterback, but also as we've seen over the last year, plus the run game hasn't been the same, you know, so the Nick Chubb dominant, you know, years haven't been there because hurt.

Adam Azer (25:44)

Yeah. They want to pass the ball. It's so clear. They traded for Watson, they traded for Judy. They traded for more. They want to throw the ball and they've. They've been. They've done it, you know, with, with Winston, with Flacco, they've done it in spurts. Jerry Judy went in almost the same exact spot in our last two drafts. You took him with the second pick of round seven last week. And I feel. And I took him with the third round. You think that's good? I took him with the third pick of round seven, Jamie on Tuesday. And was that Monday or Tuesday? That was Tuesday. Was that yesterday? Yesterday felt like a long time ago. And I had two guys in my queue, Jennings, Juwan Jennings and Jerry Judy. I had the Jays and I went with Judy. And then the next pick was Juwan Jennings to Heath.

Jamie Eisenberg (26:29)

Who'd you guys take J. Judy over Juwan.

Adam Azer (26:34)

All right, now let me just, Jamie, give you my issue with Jerry Judy. He, he really took off after Tillman got hurt. There were three games. So forget about like the Sean Watson, right. In the Jameis Winston era, which was weeks eight through 15.

Jamie Eisenberg (26:52)

Well, good. Just, just you should attach it to post cooperation.

Adam Azer (26:56)

It's the same, right, like Cooper got traded after weeks and then. But yeah, Cooper gets traded after Week 6. In Week 7, DeSean Watson plays about half the game, tears his Achilles. Week 8 through 15 is the Jameis Winston time. And in that stretch, Jerry Judy is amazing. He is the number three wide receiver per game. In fantasy, he's on pace for 1 9, oh 9 yards, seven touchdowns, 168 targets. So he's incredible.

Jamie Eisenberg (27:24)

That's not realistic.

Heath Cummings (27:25)

In the first 10 targets per game.

Adam Azer (27:27)

In the first three games, he was on pace for 10 targets per game. But he, but Cedric Tillman had 28 targets. Elijah Moore had 29 targets. David Najoku had 23 targets. They were just throwing the ball so much and he only had about a 22. He had a 22.7% target share in those first three games, which is not great. I mean, it's good enough around seven. So my point is it actually wasn't until the Tillman injury when Jerry Judy like really took off and got this dominant target share. Does that concern. And also I should point out David Najoku missed three games down the stretch. So with, with Tillman out as well. So there was that going on as well. I don't know how much of that factors in for you.

Jamie Eisenberg (28:14)

It definitely factors in. I mean, again, look, the, the biggest thing is the quarterback, you know, so assuming it's a rookie and Cousins, let's just say, you know, they, they go get Cousins for nothing and then they draft Cam Ward and then you're talking about a one year window of we don't know what happens until Watson's healthy again, if Watson never plays again, if Watts never plays against for the Browns. I think the thing that you look at is if you're expecting a Top five receiver based on how he finished, you're obviously going to be disappointed if you're expecting a top 10 receiver. You're probably disappointed if you're expecting a top 20 receiver. Now we're getting in the range if you're expecting a top 30 receiver, I think now we're in the ballpark, you know, so you just have to understand what you're buying here. And so if you're drafting him in the case where we are taking him in round seven in our drafts, which is round, which is number three receiver territory, it's perfect.

Adam Azer (29:06)

You're not, you're not really buying a, you're not really buying a Jordan Addison.

Jamie Eisenberg (29:09)

Breakout then I'm not buying it for either of the two guys because I think we're talking about.

Heath Cummings (29:13)

Right.

Jamie Eisenberg (29:14)

In the case of Minnesota uncertain quarterback. I'll be more excited about Addison if it's Darnold because at least there's some continuity there. But you're still talking about a, a crowded receiving core with arguably the best receiver in football or 1A and a tight end that's going to be much better and more improved in TJ Hawkinson. Plus who knows what they do at their backfield, which could be a more robust run game than what they had with Aaron Jones down the stretch last season. So I think in the case of both of these guys, they're very similar. Clearly they both have huge upsides. I mean they're both first round talents, they both have the ability to be difference makers. But Judy could be the one and clearly the one. Whereas there's never going to be that case for Addison barring an injury.

Adam Azer (29:53)

True. Final thought on this, Dave. Jordan Addison has 19 touchdowns in 32 games in two seasons.

Heath Cummings (30:03)

Yep.

Adam Azer (30:04)

Jerry Judy has 15 touchdowns in 74 games in five seasons. That matter.

Heath Cummings (30:11)

Sure. But it could also flip where Jordan Addison doesn't have that touchdown luck going for him and he regresses and he only gets six touchdowns in a season. I think we could agree that even with lowered expectations for Jerry Judy, six touchdowns, totally reasonable. So I, I, I, I think these are two receivers that are perfect to take as wide receiver threes in fantasy drafts this year like this is something I think we can carry all the way through until August. There might be one or two rookie wide receivers that'll be in that mix maybe a little bit ahead. And we'll fall for Ted McMillan, for example. We'll love his landing spot and we love his upside as a downfield, you know, 70, 30 contested catch rate guy. And we'll, we'll take the chance on him over Addison or over Judy. That could happen. But these two are definitely going to be in that range of wide receiver threes who could become easy wide receiver twos if things break right for them. And there's certainly more upside for things to break right for Judy. I just think the floor is lower for Judy based on what we saw before Jameis Winston and Jerry Judy played together this year.

Adam Azer (31:29)

Okay, all right. So we'll talk about Jalen Hurts, Kyler Murray, Travis Etienne and Jaden Reed when we come back with the worst second half performers after this.

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Adam Azer (32:48)

Oh, is that about the college kids?

Jamie Eisenberg (32:50)

Yeah, it's fantastic.

Adam Azer (32:52)

What's it on?

Jamie Eisenberg (32:54)

It's. I watched on hbo. I think it's on Max.

Adam Azer (32:58)

That is. It's a legendary story. Yeah, I will watch that for sure. So by the way, if Cleveland takes Cam Ward. You said Cleveland could take Camward. I'm so all in on the Giants taking Cam Ward right now. If it doesn't happen, just. I'm done. I'm done. I won't show up for the draft show on Red Friday night.

Jamie Eisenberg (33:16)

Don't take Cam Warden and take Sanders. Will you be dis.

Adam Azer (33:18)

Done. Done. I. I won't be a Giants fan.

Heath Cummings (33:21)

You won't be a Giants fan.

Adam Azer (33:23)

I'll always be a Giants fan. But if they take Sanders and Ward goes to give me another team that he might go.

Jamie Eisenberg (33:30)

No, no, no. If. If Sanders. If Ward goes to the Titans or the Browns and the Giants can't trade up so they have no shots, I won't. Right.

Heath Cummings (33:38)

That's different.

Adam Azer (33:39)

Okay.

Jamie Eisenberg (33:40)

I'm not saying they choose Sanders over.

Adam Azer (33:42)

Yeah, yeah, no, I'll be fine. Like, I, I don't want Str Sanders. I don't think he's worthy of the number three pick. But I won't be mad at the Giants if they take Sanders with both of those guys on the clock, on the, on the board. Like they trade up maybe and they take Sanders, they prefer him to Cam Ward. I will of course be a Giants fan, but I will be a secondary fan of the team that drafts Cam Ward and hate the Giants forever. But not really. But I will be so pissed. Oh my gosh. Remember how mad I was when the Giants drafted Evan Ingram over David Najoku? I don't remember that. But I was, I was like so excited for them to take the Joku and they took Ingram and I was like so upset. This would be magnified by a hundred times.

Jamie Eisenberg (34:23)

Okay. Just getting what if, what if Sanders ends up being better?

Adam Azer (34:27)

I'm really confident that he won't be really confident. But you know, it's. It's all situation. If he goes to a team that's much better fit then he could be.

Jamie Eisenberg (34:35)

I mean the, the nice thing is, is that if Sanders goes to the Giants, at least, you know, Dion will be coaching the team. Tears.

Adam Azer (34:41)

Oh, man. As long as he's not coach of the Seminoles, bro. That's all I care about. All right. The worst second half performers from weeks 10 through 17, Jalen Hurts was QB10. He was 28th in pass attempts from weeks 10 through 17. And he was first in running back rush attempts.

Heath Cummings (34:58)

He missed a bunch of games, right?

Jamie Eisenberg (34:59)

No, he missed two.

Adam Azer (35:01)

He missed two. Oh. But I'm giving you per game per game. He was QB10.

Heath Cummings (35:05)

Fine.

Adam Azer (35:06)

What happened there was they Barkley was so good and they were throwing so little that it was hurting Jalen Hurts. I remember having this argument a lot during about maybe benching Jalen Hurts and this and that. All right. Kyler Murray, QB21 per game in six point, QB16 per game in four point for passing touchdown leagues. Travis Etn and Tank Bigsby for that matter. They were both outside the top 40 per game at running back. From weeks 10 through 17. They both averaged 3.5 yards per carry. It was ugly for ETN and, and Bigsby and Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed had 26 targets in from weeks 10 through 17. He scored more than 11.1 PPR fantasy points in one of seven games. But I mean, four targets per game. Awful. And he was not a top 50 wide receiver. So Jamie, who are the two most worrisome if they exist? Jalen Hurts, Kyler Murray, Jaguars running backs. Jaden Reed.

Jamie Eisenberg (36:11)

I mean it's. Jaguars running backs are easy because they were just awful. Hopefully Liam Cohen can do what he did with the Bucks running backs and carry that over to, to Jacksonville, you know, and get at least something out of one of these guys. But you know, when you see etn, who has never reached the potential of what his draft capital was as a first round pick, he's had some good moments, but he's never lived up to it. And Tank Bigsby, I think they're going to kind of be a problem for each other. And then I think the other one is probably Kyler at this point because like we've, we've had a lot of high expectations for him to become an elite fantasy quarterback and he's certainly shown flashes of that. But last year was so disappointing that he got this receiver in Marvin Harrison and didn't make him better. Along with bringing himself up to a different level, he didn't run to the heights. I think that at least I'll, you know, for me that I was expecting, you know, two years removed from his ACL tear. So he had some good moments running the ball. He just didn't do it enough. And then just the overall touchdowns, I mean, you know, we know about McBride struggles, obviously Harrison struggles, you know, so he just doesn't throw enough touchdowns. Now I do think that there's opportunities for all these guys to improve because I think the run game is going to struggle a little bit in Philadelphia because just the natural setback of what happens to 2000 yard rushers and Barclays workload and age. I think we're going to see the offense be better in Jacksonville because of the play caller. I do think that Kyler will take make some progress based on where he was a year ago. And I do think Jay and Reed's going to benefit because all you're hearing out of Green Bay and their media is very loud that this offense struggled down the stretch. And you know that they were, I saw one of their B riders, I remember who it was, say that they were the, the talent performed better in 2023, but they weren't as talented. They were more talented last year and didn't perform to the same level in 2024 and struggled down the stretch. So I think we're going to see a little bit more balanced offense. You know, it's funny when the running back comes out and says we need a number one receiver. So I think he understands they got a little bit more explosive in the passing game too.

Adam Azer (38:19)

Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (38:19)

That being said, if they don't spend any capital or significant capital on it, Jane Reed's in a great spot. So, you know, we, we saw what he was capable of two years ago. Hopefully he gets back to that. So I have, I have some expectations, you know, moderate to high for, for all four of these players before these situations.

Heath Cummings (38:35)

I think the only guy I'm giving a pass to is Hertz because new offense, new running back to take a lot of pressure off of him and then the concussion basically knocked out his last three games of the regular season. The way that he played in the playoffs, almost certainly in the super bowl and, and the way that he played in the middle of the year, he was awesome. And he's. I still think he can. Can I really say he could be the QB one on a per game basis? Probably not. But if you're drafting him as the fifth or sixth quarterback off the board, could he be top three? Sure. Could he be top 10? Like, does he fall that far? Given that Saquon Barkley is coming off of a year where he touched the ball almost 450 times. He had 430 carries. So he was over 450 touches. Yeah, I think it's possible. I think Jalen Hurts can continue to ascend as a thrower and maybe have more put on his plate because Saquon might not be the same sake one in 2025.

Adam Azer (39:40)

I think Jalen Hurts could be QB1 if they let him throw 28 to 30 times a game. I doubt it'll ever be more than that after their buy. You know, this is when everything changed week five by. From that point on, the Eagles team changed. They, they became the, you know, the most run heavy team in football. He averaged 22.5 pass attempts per game from weeks five through 15. He. His per game average is hurt big time by week 16 when he got the concussion. So that's why he's down to 10. He probably shouldn't even be on this list honestly. But you know, but 22.5 past attempts per game is extremely low. Yeah, we think they won't run the ball as effectively so he should throw the ball more and Honestly, he proved how great he can be when he throws the ball in the playoffs. Right. Anyway, yeah, I don't forgot what I was. That was the thing with Jalen Hurts. He just needs to throw the ball more. And he really only had like three games in this stretch where he scored between 17 and 19.6 fantasy points. And it was getting a little frustrating. It was playoff crunch time and he wasn't really producing anyway. Yeah, Kyler. I don't even know what to say about Kyler.

Heath Cummings (40:58)

Like there was a secret to his game. He had his better games. When Trey McBride was his number one target.

Adam Azer (41:04)

It.

Heath Cummings (41:05)

So either the Cardinals stick with that and they make Trey McBride their guy and you know, they, they chalk up Marvin Harrison Jr. As a, you know, pick that they probably shouldn't have made or they recalibrate the way that they use Marvin Harrison Jr. And they kind of have two CO number one targets. And you hope that Kyler Murray has more success with Marvin while still leaning on Trey McBride. That's what I would hope for as someone that could potentially draft Kyler Murray and he, I, I feel like he's going to be in the exact same boat as he was last year. Top 12 quarterback, borderline top 12 quarterback brimming with upside. Could be huge. You take them late, awesome value. But this, this is an offense that I think can take another step. I think the offensive line can be better. Marvin Harrison in his second season certainly can't be worse. If he is, then that's a real problem. Maybe they add some speed in the draft and Trey McBride I think has to stick as a, as a key figure in that offense to help Kyler Murray along. I think he had, I think Kyler had eight games over, 22 fantasy points and McBride had a good to great game in six of the eight. So that's a connection that I think just has to stick in Arizona and it makes sense that it would.

Adam Azer (42:19)

But the other the connection is Marvin. I mean, I don't know if Kyler is going to be great. Marvin Harrison has to be fair.

Heath Cummings (42:28)

I agree.

Adam Azer (42:29)

I don't know. Like the thing with, with Kyler Murray is if you just look at his staff, forget about the second half of the season, full season, it's hard to look at and say what actually went wrong. And I don't know, you just go. If you look at his player page, it's not like anything was so different. He just didn't have. I think it was touchdowns. 21 touchdown.

Jamie Eisenberg (42:50)

It was a lack of consistent touchdowns. It was a lack of consistent running. And like, to your point, Adam, you know, I think about the beginning of the season. Terrible. Week one, Marvin Harrison was considered a bust right out of the gate, right?

Adam Azer (43:00)

Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (43:00)

Couldn't get open. Missed him on the one big play down the field.

Heath Cummings (43:03)

Right.

Jamie Eisenberg (43:04)

He comes back, week two, he has three touchdowns.

Adam Azer (43:06)

Yeah. Marvin Harrison or Kylie in the first quarter, I think. Right?

Jamie Eisenberg (43:11)

Yeah, right. It was like, okay, this is what we were all expecting, right? This superstar receiver to come out and be an absolute stud and the quarterback to benefit because of it.

Adam Azer (43:19)

Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (43:20)

And then it was okay. We, we went on the roller coaster. Oh, oh, Harrison stinks up. No, Harrison's good again. No, Harrison stinks. Yeah, Harris good again. Then it was, when is Trey McBride ever going to score? And then we had the whole finish of the season when he was trying to get him in the end zone as many times as he possibly can.

Adam Azer (43:33)

This feels like a bounce back guy to me. Kyler Murray. But you said you were concerned, Jamie. But, but you. I don't want to take away from the concerns you voiced, though. I don't want to just, I mean.

Jamie Eisenberg (43:45)

Again, there's a reason why we're talking about these guys, you know, so there, there's. And I think Dave said it best, you know, like you're gonna get players like this, you know, and specifically some of the, the, these four players, these four situations because the Jaguars backfilled at discounted prices and that's fantastic. Like Jaden Reed, I believe, went round seven around eight. Like, that's a great buy right now.

Adam Azer (44:08)

Is it though? Because, like. Yes, but what's that based on? A good half season at the end.

Jamie Eisenberg (44:15)

For the start of the season. It's based on, if you believe, which I do, that they're going to be a little bit more aggressive throwing the ball, then Jaden Reed's going to benefit.

Adam Azer (44:23)

Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (44:25)

And again, I'm not, I'm not saying we, we were maybe hoping for at one point last season.

Adam Azer (44:33)

Question about Kyler. Last thing here. I mentioned weeks 10 through 17, right. That's the sample size. QB 21 per game. Week 18, Kyler Murray threw four touchdowns, scored 36 fantasy points against the 49ers. And I don't think it was the 49ers backups. I'm looking at it right now. At least their starters started the game. I'll look at the snap rates, but.

Jamie Eisenberg (44:53)

You know, they were shelving themselves.

Adam Azer (44:55)

We came. Right. Yeah. Week 18 is kind of. It's week 18. I don't know.

Jamie Eisenberg (45:00)

The thing to consider is every defense in this division is going to get better. The Rams young guys are going to continue to get better. The 49ers bringing back Robert Salah, they're going to be better. The Seahawks obviously are going to continue to get better with McDonald there too. You know, so you have three, three defense in their division that they're going to play six times. It's going to be a little tougher.

Heath Cummings (45:20)

Don't forget the Cardinals defense will get better. And if we could say the same thing for Kyler as we did for Jalen Hurts, we. I literally just said Jalen Hurts might need to do more because Saquon Barkley might not be as effective. Well, James Connor's definitely 30 and he could certainly be less effective. That would put more on Kyler's plate. So that can work in his favor. Could it work against him if the Cardinals defense gets better and if the Cardinals run game Connor. No, Connor is good. That obviously would be a problem because then his past attempts, they'll go down. That was a terrible whistle.

Adam Azer (45:55)

Yeah. Jamie took Kyler Murray. No, Jamie took Jared Goff with the first pick of round 12. The next pick was Kyler Murray in yesterday's draft.

Heath Cummings (46:04)

Who are some of the quarterbacks that.

Adam Azer (46:05)

Went after Kyler Tua Tunga Biloa, Drake May, Dak Prescott, Bo Nix. Let me tell you something. I'm. I'm gonna have a tough time figuring out which number two quarterback I want to draft. I can take. I could skip everything and just take two from that range.

Heath Cummings (46:24)

I. And that we, we've. We've been talking about that as a strategy for a long, long time.

Adam Azer (46:29)

I love it.

Heath Cummings (46:31)

Right.

Adam Azer (46:31)

Don't take two.

Heath Cummings (46:32)

You could always just.

Adam Azer (46:34)

I take two. Come on. Come on. Who are we talking to here? Take it to. I would take Shooter Sanders and Cam Ward. If I were the Giants. I'd figure out a way I'd trade up to. I'd trade back into the first round. Take them both and fight it out.

Jamie Eisenberg (46:47)

Watch them both sit behind the Tommy.

Adam Azer (46:48)

DeVito or Matthew Stafford. All right, let's read some emails here. This one is from Case Fantasy football. Com and I want to apologize if I'm reading anything that he's been reading on the Dynasty show. There's probably going to be some overlap, but we have a different audience. I mean, overlap there as well, but fantasy football. That's our email address. You could also leave us a five star Apple podcast review and your question will get read. Case wants to know if you would trade Jameer Gibbs for who. What a haul. We Start out by saying he has pick 1.3. Would you trade Jameer Gibbs? Gibbs for Bucky Irving? 1.4 and 1.5 in a 12 team Super Flex PPR league.

Jamie Eisenberg (47:38)

So Gibbs, you're getting back a starter who's not as good. And now you're still not guaranteeing yourself quarterback, though.

Heath Cummings (47:47)

You don't know if he needs a quarterback though, huh? You don't know if he needs a quarterback.

Jamie Eisenberg (47:51)

Right. That's some. But you.

Heath Cummings (47:53)

And you know, you kind of have to hope that he doesn't.

Jamie Eisenberg (47:55)

Correct. And then you're getting Genti also, which you would be getting Genti right now if he's the best.

Heath Cummings (48:01)

I'm not sure if you're.

Adam Azer (48:02)

So he would have. He instead of Jameer Gibbs and pick 1.3. He would have Bucky Irving and 1.3. 4 and 5. I don't know that you'd get Genti.

Heath Cummings (48:11)

I. I don't know.

Adam Azer (48:12)

If you're a Super Flex, it depends what the other guys in front of you have. Right.

Jamie Eisenberg (48:17)

He can go to an absolutely awful situation out of the gate and that lowers his top five appeal.

Adam Azer (48:25)

I also think if you really want Genti, then you can trade four and five. Maybe for one. Maybe. And then you're getting basically Irving and Genti for Gibbs.

Heath Cummings (48:38)

If you can do that, then yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (48:40)

100 gets it done.

Heath Cummings (48:41)

Yeah. No, I don't think so. Not this year.

Adam Azer (48:45)

It depends how badly the 101 wants.

Heath Cummings (48:48)

Right, right, right, right, right. I think Janti will be a consensus top two pick even in Super Flex.

Adam Azer (48:54)

I think I would do this trade, but it's. Yeah, I would do it. I would do it.

Heath Cummings (49:00)

Well, how do you feel about Hampton and Caleb Johnson and the Ohio State running backs? Now what would be interesting is you can probably get two of those guys. Two of those four. Yeah, they will be there.

Adam Azer (49:13)

I don't know, man. I. I'm not as. As of now. I don't know how you feel. I'm not as high on the running backs. Like, I kind of see it as like Genty and then last year's crop. That's kind of how I feel. Like there are some good ones.

Heath Cummings (49:27)

I think there's some guys that are better than last year's crop for sure.

Jamie Eisenberg (49:31)

That's the thing.

Heath Cummings (49:32)

It's definitely deeper. There's a ton of solid running backs, guys that have one or two traits. And then at the very top, there's, you know, Janti's got all the traits and then there's a couple of other running backs that have a Bunch of traits that are really good. So it's a solid class. It's going to push out a lot of older running backs from the league.

Jamie Eisenberg (49:50)

I think about last year, we were. We were certainly excited about Brooks, somewhat excited about Benson, and then it was, who's the third guy? You know, Was it Quorum? Was it Bucky? Was it.

Adam Azer (50:02)

I loved Lloyd.

Jamie Eisenberg (50:04)

Yeah. Lloyd was in the mix. Tracy was in the mix. Kamani Vidal was in the mix. I mean, you know, you think about some of these guys and how we were, you know, looking at them, and it was. It was. Bucky and Tracy were the only ones that emerged as guys that did anything.

Adam Azer (50:17)

Yeah. All right. This. So. All right, final word. Would you do the trade? Would you give up Gibbs for Bucky 1.4, 1.5?

Jamie Eisenberg (50:25)

I mean, if you're picking third, you're obviously rebuilding, so. Yes. I think you want as much draft capital as you can.

Heath Cummings (50:29)

I agree.

Jamie Eisenberg (50:29)

And giving up Gibbs sucks. But you're still getting back a good running back in return for some. Some pretty good potential players.

Adam Azer (50:35)

All right, this is from Chad. I took over a dynasty team last year. I'm in the second year of a rebuild. I have the following rookie draft picks in the first two rounds. One point, one two and four.

Jamie Eisenberg (50:48)

Two point.

Heath Cummings (50:48)

He will get Genty.

Adam Azer (50:49)

Yeah. 2.1, 2.5 and 2. 1112 team. Super Flex. Tight end. Premium. Oh, wow. You can go running back, quarterback, tight end maybe if hopefully you get a tight end. That's pretty good. You have to start two tight ends and two quarterback and super flex. All right, so he gives his roster. I don't know that I want to read the whole thing, but he's got. He's got Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Will Levis. He's got London McConkey. Odunze doesn't really have much after that. He definitely needs a tight end. I'm probably going to take Genti at 1:1. Should I be looking to move 1.2 and 1:4? I don't ever know if I should say the point or not, by the way. So I mix it up to move back and. Or stockpile more picks for next year. Or Stan pat and take McMillan or Cam Ward or Tyler Warren. What do you guys think?

Jamie Eisenberg (51:52)

He's got 1112 and 1 4.

Adam Azer (51:55)

Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (51:57)

And his best quarterback is Caleb Williams.

Adam Azer (52:00)

Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Will Levis.

Jamie Eisenberg (52:03)

I think he's taking Genti. He's taking Ward or Sanders, depending on who you like best. And then trying to get Warren F4.

Heath Cummings (52:12)

If he likes Warden Sanders. The Same. He's taking Warren at 2, which sounds crazy, but tight end premium and you have to start two. And according to this email, his best tight end is Eric all. Who's. I mean, who knows if he even plays next year. Yeah, he needs Warren now. If he views Warren and Colston Loveland the same way, then he can take the quarterback at two and just take whichever tight end makes it to four.

Adam Azer (52:40)

All right. 12 Team Dynasty League. This one is from Cam and it's Cam Ward. Yeah. And it's a PPR super flex tight end premium league. He is giving up Bucky Irving, Cedric Tillman and pick 2.1. He is getting 1.4, Jalen McMillan and 2, 4 and 2.4. All right, so you. Basically, it's like Bucky Irving for 1.4, Cedric Tillman for Jalen McMillan and 2.1 for 2.4. It's kind of one way to think of it.

Heath Cummings (53:19)

Yeah. I don't like it.

Jamie Eisenberg (53:22)

Is there is the second running back in the class, whoever you think it may be better than Bucky. Eric.

Adam Azer (53:30)

Hold on one second. He has picks 1, 2, 4, 10, 16. All right, so.

Heath Cummings (53:39)

Well, how can he acquire pick four if he would then have one for. Right.

Adam Azer (53:46)

No, he. I think he has the first and second overall picks. Right.

Jamie Eisenberg (53:52)

So if he makes a Trade, I'll have 1, 2 and 4.

Adam Azer (53:55)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know what? I think he made the trade. So now. Now he has picks 1, 2, 4, 10, 16 and Jalen. I don't hate it, I guess, when you have all those picks. Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (54:14)

But if you already had one and two, like, is one and two with Bucky better than one and two with the fourth pick?

Heath Cummings (54:19)

Right. I agree. I think I would have rather had Bucky.

Adam Azer (54:22)

Yeah, he does get Jaylen McMillan. It's probably an upgrade over Tillman, but no question. Yeah.

Jamie Eisenberg (54:28)

Unless Godwin doesn't leave. If you're talking about winning now.

Heath Cummings (54:32)

Yeah, that's true.

Adam Azer (54:35)

He's not, though. He's in tank mode. Well, he said. Well, he said he did a tank and now he's got picks one, two and four. How about that? Back to back.

Jamie Eisenberg (54:42)

He's got the ability to reset his team and it's. It's not. It's not a terrible trade.

Adam Azer (54:48)

All right, good stuff. We are gonna do FFT Express. We're gonna do breakouts. Jamie's spent a lot of time on that, so looking forward to hearing from Jamie on the breakouts. And when we come back on Thursday. Show show. We'll give you a little preview of free agency. We'll be back on Thursday. Thanks for watching and listening everybody. Have a good one. Paramount Podcasts this ranch is under attack.

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