Beyond the Box Score: Falcons-49ers, Chargers Offense, Travis Hunter, Bill, Rome Odunze (05/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Beyond the Box Score: Falcons-49ers, Chargers Offense, Travis Hunter, Bill, Rome Odunze (10/20/2025)

Hosts: Adam Aizer (Lead), Dan, Jacob Gibbs
Analysts/Contributors: List includes Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings
Date: October 20, 2025
Episode Theme:
In this "Beyond the Box Score" episode, the FFT crew breaks down four pivotal fantasy football topics based on listener input. They review the Sunday Night Football clash (Falcons vs. 49ers), analyze the perplexing Chargers offense, debate the rest-of-season value of Travis Hunter versus Brian Thomas Jr., deliver actionable usage and snap-count stats, and close with a discussion on Rome Odunze’s fantasy outlook. The show is laced with advanced stats, objective observations, and their signature blend of friendly banter and inside jokes—tailored for fantasy football managers looking to stay one move ahead.

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Quick Episode Navigation

• [01:11] – Show opening & this week’s main topics
• [03:47] – Falcons-49ers game: Atlanta’s offense, Drake London discussion
• [09:47] – 49ers fantasy breakdown: McCaffrey’s dominance, Kittle, Mac Jones
• [18:40] – Waiver & injury updates: Bryce Young, Commanders news, etc.
• [23:15] – Chargers deep dive, A. Ronda Gadsden & usage ramifications
• [28:06] – WR/TE snap counts, Chiefs skill guys, Travis Hunter
• [35:11] – Washington RB situation, Crosby Merritt, and Jacory details
• [46:16] – Chargers volatility & trust discussion
• [52:15] – Travis Hunter vs. Brian Thomas Jr., Jaguars WR debate
• [56:44] – Rome Odunze analysis: Panic or profit?
• [66:24] – Wrap up, culinary science, closing banter

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Episode Highlights & Key Segments

Opening & Listener-Driven Topics

• Energy Check:
  The crew acknowledges some negativity this week—Giants fandom woes, brutal games, and fantasy tilts—but remind listeners the four main topics are all audience-chosen.
  • "The audience picked the topics, the four big topics are audience chosen." – Adam [02:17]

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Falcons-49ers Recap: Drilling Down on Fantasy Value

Falcons Offense:

• Drake London & Darnell Mooney Impact:
  • Field-wide debate on whether Mooney’s presence hurts London. Jacob has analyzed 600 routes—“London’s per-route data is basically identical with Mooney on versus off the field.”
  • “Over a larger sample size it’s probably more likely to be what bears out than what happened over a few individual games. Still, the Pinnex aspect... is what has me concerned.” – Jacob [06:13]
  • Statistical deep dive: London’s target share is healthy regardless of Mooney, hovering over 25%+ in recent games; “I'd buy low on Drake London, still think he's a must-start.” – Adam [09:18]
• Michael Penix Jr.:
  • Praised for occasional brilliance but overall looks shaky. “Doesn't look like he sees the field all that well to me.” – Dan [06:27]
  • “Gets Miami next week... hopefully he can bounce back.” – Adam [06:55]

San Francisco 49ers:

• Christian McCaffrey:
  • McCaffrey remains fantasy king—"finishes among RBs: third, fifth, sixth, eighth, fourth, seventh, first. There’s just no one like him in fantasy.” – Dan [12:06]
  • "He's the only player in all of fantasy that his path towards success is just simple. It's one simple formula. Don't get hurt." – Dan [12:56]
• George Kittle:
  • Was running routes but wasn’t targeted—crew confident performance will bounce back, especially when Purdy returns: "I don't see any reason why George Kittle wouldn't be George Kittle." – Jacob [15:19]

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Injuries & Waiver Notes

• Bryce Young (Panthers) – High ankle sprain, expected to miss, Dalton to start.
  • “Dalton has been better than Bryce at facilitating receiver volume. Could be a good thing for McMillan, Legate, etc.” – Jacob [19:17]
• Commanders, Chargers, and several offensive line notes—multiple players with bumps and bruises; fantasy players reminded to check practice reports midweek.
• A. Ronda Gadsden (Chargers) – Rapidly emerging TE, back-to-back weeks with high route participation; possible priority waiver add.

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Deep Dive: Chargers Offense – Trust, Targets & the Gadsden Dilemma

• The Chargers are “third in pass rate, first in pass attempts, second in gross passing yards...” – Adam [25:49]
• Offense is extremely pass-heavy, but scoring doesn’t match yardage due to red zone ineptitude (“second worst red zone team in the NFL”).
  • “A lot of everything else is so great... but a lot of mouths to feed.” – Adam [26:36]
• Gadsden as a fantasy add?
  • “He made plays after the catch, had a complete football game. But I’m very nervous about picking up players after 54, 55 pass attempts in one game.” – Adam [27:51]
  • Jacob suggests "Chargers have thrown at an incredible rate... It may just be one of those offenses where you can trust a lot of guys to at least be in play."
• Quentin Johnston: Fade trending; decreasing target share, only an asset on deep shots/new injuries.

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Snap Counts & Fantasy Usage Takeaways

• Wide Receivers:
  • CeeDee Lamb “all the way back, 100% route rate.” – Jacob [28:06]
  • Rashi Rice (Chiefs) limited role, but big game, “may have more upside if role continues to expand.”
  • Travis Hunter’s usage is trending upwards—“back-to-back weeks with much higher route rate.” – Jacob [28:41]
  • “Hunter got a role expansion... I think he could be the best WR in that offense.” – Dan [53:13]
• Backfields:
  • “Jalen Warren... continues to look so good, the team is responding with more touches.” – Jacob [31:23]
  • Kamani Vidal and Bam Knight: Unimpressive but secure roles, valuable purely for volume.
  • “Not great players. Just hoping for good game script and maybe a TD.” – Adam [32:28]
• Other notable usage:
  • Travis Hunter played 87% off snaps; Kyron Williams solid two-thirds split; Stephon Diggs snap rate low (54%), but route participation is decent (75%).

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Running Back Panic: Washington & Browns

• Jacory Crosby Merritt (Washington):
  • Two straight disappointing games. Observed stacked boxes, injuries depleting offense, and scheme issues.
  • “He has to really play well. He has to do the yards after catch stuff and pile up a lot of these targets...” – Jacob [10:54]
  • Goal-line usage still seems to favor him, but lack of passing work and low carry volume are major drawbacks.
  • “He needs to run well to be a good fantasy player... if he's not, he's a questionable start.” – Jacob [35:49]
• Quinshon Judkins (Browns):
  • Compared to Nick Chubb/Henry profile: can he stay fantasy viable without catches?
  • “If he's going to win us fantasy leagues... Daniels needs to get back to last year's level.” – Dan [41:44]
  • Judkins vs. Scatterboo, Jalen Warren—team leans toward players with more pass-catching upside.

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Chargers, Eagles & Trust Issues

• Who Can You Trust?
  • Chargers are highly unpredictable, with Keenan Allen being the only certifiable week-to-week asset.
  • Justin Herbert as a top-6 QB: some debate. “He’s probably a must-start, but can’t ignore the spotty production lately.” – Adam [48:02]
  • Quentin Johnston: “His target share in the last two games: 12.5% and 11.1%... It’s tough to trust.” – Adam [48:52]
  • Expect major fluctuation for all but Allen, even as offensive environment offers big-play and touchdown upside.

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Travis Hunter vs. Brian Thomas Jr.

• Brian Thomas Jr. continues to disappoint:
  • “He just continues to not look confident, really uncomfortable over the middle... no confidence it bounces back.” – Jacob [54:27]
  • Drops, nagging injuries, and lackluster stat lines.
• Travis Hunter:
  • “He could be the best receiver on tape in this class—no weaknesses.” – Dan [53:55]
  • “Route rate is way up, target share peaked at 39%... I’m excited to see more.” – Jacob [55:17]
• Consensus: Both Dan and Jacob would take Hunter over Thomas Jr. rest of season.
  • “My antennas are up for Travis Hunter... finally letting him run a full route tree.” – Dan [53:23]

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Rome Odunze: Starting or Stalling?

• Post-Bye Regression or Concerning Trend?
  • Rome’s first-read target rate has collapsed since the bye (from low-30% to under 20%).
    • “They’re doing more things to maybe get off Odunze as that first read so Caleb doesn’t get stuck there.” – Jacob [57:45]
  • Rushing resurgence in Chicago lowers passing attempts/passing volume—“DeAndre Swift has been on fire... If they keep running this much, Odunze could have an issue.” – Adam [62:06]
  • Still, he’s on pace for 130 targets—good enough for must-start territory if trends reverse: “If he gets seven or more targets per game, that’s probably enough for Odunze to be a must-start guy.” – Adam [62:06]

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Comparison Talk

• Odunze compared to George Pickens:
  • “He actually profiles really similarly to Drake London from an environmental standpoint, but I feel a lot more confident in London as a target hog.” – Jacob [64:49]

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Notable Quotes & Banter

• “He’s the only player in all of fantasy that his path towards success is just simple. One formula: Don't get hurt.” — Dan on Christian McCaffrey [12:56]
• “I'd buy low on Drake London, still think he's a must-start.” — Adam [09:18]
• “He made plays after the catch, had a complete football game for the Chargers. He looked really freaking good out there. But I’m nervous about picking up players after their QB throws 54, 55 times.” — Dan & Adam (on Gadsden) [24:18, 27:51]
• “My antennas are up for Travis Hunter. He could be the best receiver on tape in this class — it wasn’t close.” — Dan [53:23]
• “First-read target rates... have cratered for Odunze. I wouldn’t overreact or sell though; he’s still playing like a top 10 pick.” — Jacob [57:45]
• Running joke: Adam’s 7-year-old son creating NFL diagram captions (“6-7!”), all-yellow Chargers jerseys being "gross," banter over how to reheat food efficiently [07:35, 49:25, 66:24].

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Fantasy Manager Action Items

1. Buy Low Options:

   • Drake London, assuming owners fear the Mooney factor or Penix’s inconsistency.
   • Travis Hunter, especially in leagues where his rising target share isn’t noticed.
   • Rome Odunze, but monitor rushing volume trend out of the bye.

2. Backfield Watch:

   • Jacory Crosby Merritt & Quinton Judkins: Sell if better pass-catching backs are available.
   • Keep tabs on Jalen Warren’s volume and Steelers’ run-game improvement.

3. Chargers:

   • Keenan Allen locked in as start.
   • Use Gadsden as a streamer, but temper expectations for consistent production—especially after spike volume weeks.
   • Quentin Johnston’s boom/bust profile even riskier with healthier O-line looming.

4. Injury Claims:

   • If available, stash or speculate on A. Ronda Gadsden and monitor Bryce Young replacement fallout for Panthers WRs.

5. Monitor Offensive Trends:

   • Swift’s emergence in Chicago could keep passing lows depressed.
   • Chiefs’ WR usage still muddled—watch for Rashi Rice or others to claim a more solidified weekly role.

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Memorable Banter & Cultural Notes

• Loads of friendly ribbing about football misery, meme culture (“6-7”), "gross" team uniforms, and leftover microwaving hacks (the “circle on the plate” tip).
• Adam’s son’s captions and Dan impressions spark laughs.
• Beatles "Top 20 band" debate arrives mid-episode.
• Lighthearted closure with baseball and fantasy football viewing dilemmas.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivered deep institutional knowledge for fantasy footballers—offering both granular play-by-play analysis and big-picture context for evolving depth charts, role changes, and playoff-tilting waiver decisions. Hosts blend analytical rigor with humor, making it valuable for both invested diehards and casual players seeking an edge.
Next Up: More “Beyond the Box Score” episodes drop later in the week—diving into usage trends and advanced stats across the entire NFL.

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[Dan]

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[Jacob]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

All right, we are recapping Sunday night football and we've got four big topics today. Our thoughts on Romo, Dunze, Jecory, Kroskey, Merritt, the Chargers. Man, like the question, you know, what do we do with teams like the Chargers? I don't know, but we're going to try to figure it out. And Travis Hunter, is he going to be better than Brian Thomas Jr. Rest of season? We'll also give you the snap counts and those types of things that you need to know here on beyond the box score. Advanced stats from simple people. And we welcome you to Fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. All right. What's up, Jacob Gibbs? How we doing?

[Jacob]

I'm, I'm good. So I saw the show, the show notes and I was like, man, I feel like we're skewed a little bit negative this week. Like there's a week, why don't we talk about our own day gads dinner or something? Like there's some cool stuff to talk about. And then I got in here before the show and I started talking to these guys. I'm like, oh, yeah, the freaking Giants game was so brutal. You guys have to go through this like almost every other week it seems like. And so, yeah, I get it. And it's totally okay to be in this space. I'm here with you guys. I'm here for you. I'm sorry.

[Adam]

Thank you. First of all, the audience picked the topics, the four big topics or audience chosen. And within the Chargers conversation, we can talk about Iran Gadsden. And within the Brian Thomas Jr. Conversation, we can rave about Travis Hunter. But Dan and I are definitely like, Dan's good. Dan's gonna be wearing that hoodie for the next four or five days. No showers.

[Dan]

At minimum. At minimum. You know, there's a skit that Jacob and I love from Tim Robinson where he's asked to, like, do a. Basically like a. It's like, sketch or. What is it? It's like a prank show. And he's dressed up in, like, this incredible gear. Heavy Matt, like, face on and everything. And it. And he's like, come on, do the do. Do the prank. Do the prank. He's like. And eventually he just goes, I don't even want to be around anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of how I feel right now, to be completely honest about the situation. I mean, I just don't understand at this point what being a Giants fan is like. And look, we had our Super Bowls, and in my lifetime, I got to watch two Super Bowls. So I shouldn't be crying about this. I should just understand that we sold our soul to the devil. But before the game, Adam Azer texted me and said in a group chat with me and another Giants fan, he said, I've had a really rough sports weekend. Can we at least just please get this thing?

[Adam]

And we did.

[Dan]

We dominated the Broncos for all but six minutes of a football game and lost. Yeah. And gave up 33 points in a fourth quarter. And by we, I mean the Giants. I don't play for the team, but that's where we're at right now. We're here to talk fantasy football. So that should be the end of the Giants.

[Adam]

I hope that is it. Okay. Yeah, the Giants are done. So let's talk of San Francisco and Atlanta and the Falcons defense, you know, pretty darn good again, but their offense couldn't hold up its end. San Francisco 20, Atlanta 10. I know. We'll talk about Drake London. He's obviously a hot topic. And you're probably wondering, Drake London, is he just not going to be nearly as good with Darnell Mooney? We'll break that down for you. I'm seeing a lot of comments in the chat about George Kittle just blocking all night. Not really true. He ran a Ton of routes. He just didn't get targeted. They didn't throw that much. This is the first time that Mac Jones threw fewer than 39 passes. He threw, what, 26 passes in this game. Yeah. So, Jacob, key fantasy takeaways from. Oh, no. Go ahead, take a drink. I'll filibuster a little bit. Jacob Gibbs, follow him at Ja Gibbs, underscore23. There he is. Jacob, hold on.

[Dan]

What is this? What is this? Did we get a. I didn't even see this. I haven't caught up on yesterday's show. I didn't want to listen because I just felt like Jamie would be trolling you all night, and I didn't really want to deal with listening to that honestly in the moment. But someone said this. Adam, please do the Dan impression from yesterday again. You did a good Dan impression.

[Adam]

I guess so. I don't remember what it was. It was just very in the moment.

[Dan]

Oh, man, I gotta listen now. I mean, I'm way behind, but I gotta listen.

[Adam]

All right, Jacob, what are our key fantasy takeaways from the Falcons 49ers game?

[Jacob]

It was another troubling game, I think if you're, like, watching Pinnocks in terms of his ability to process. Right. And so I just want to make note of that. So people have really brought up that the Drake, London, Darnell Mooney splits, which are. Exists, like, over five games. I think it is now where, you know, he's had Mooney, like, on the field with pinnocks. It hasn't been so great compared to the games when he's, you know, Mooney's been off the field with pinnocks, and London has just gone nuts. So I've dug into their, like, larger splits together. They've run almost 600 routes together. And London's per route data is basically identical with Mooney on the field. Compared to when Mooney's off the field. It's a little bit better with Mooney off of the field. And then even with Pinnocks on the field, too, like, all three of them on the field together, the per route data is still basically the same. And so I think that is relevant because over a larger sample size, it's probably more likely to be what bears out than, like, what happened over, like, a few individual games. But still, like, the Pinnacs aspect of all of it is what has me concerned.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jacob]

Like, this is a. It was a great game by Robert Sala last night, but, like, also, it is a Niners defense that we expected to be reeling with all the injuries.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jacob]

And they had 10 points, is that right? And it looked like a struggle a lot from the QB there.

[Dan]

Yeah, I feel like most of what he's done this year has been off play action too set up by the run game in Bijan. I mean it's hard, it's at times hard to like. Penix throws some. At times he throws some of the best footballs in the game. And at times though, it doesn't look like it's coming out right too on some of the throws, especially around the line of scrimmage throws. And that just doesn't really touch on what Jacob's point was, which is the most important factor. The, the processing pre to post snap. Just doesn't look like he sees the field all that well to me.

[Adam]

He gets Miami next week, so hopefully he can bounce back. 44 rostered 14.2 fantasy points this week at San Francisco. Last week he scored 16.6 fantasy points, which is bad. But he was so close to having that second touchdown to Drake London right before halftime against Buffalo. I thought he played pretty well in that game. And then Jake Matthews got hurt and he was horrible in the second half. Matthews was able to play this week, so it was just a bad game. Here's a, Here's a picture of little screenshot of Darnell Mooney. Look how wide open Darnell Mooney is here. And you're wondering about the caption. It says, how did you not see that ball? Well, today my son, my kids didn't have school today so I let my son do the caption and he came up with how do you not see that ball?

[Dan]

And then it's son's doing six, seven stuff. How old is your son?

[Adam]

He's seven.

[Dan]

I didn't think, I thought the six, seven thing was like a tick tock high school thing.

[Adam]

Everyone knows. I think the teachers had to tell the kids to stop saying it.

[Dan]

But yeah, your seven year old son is talking six, seven.

[Adam]

What? Not really. I don't know. Nobody knows what it means. Just means six, seven. But I put it in the capture there. But look how open Darnell Mooney is. Darnell Mooney could have had a big chunk play there. That was right at the end of the game. Here's one. Kendrick Bourne. Look at Kendrick Bourne wide open. Dude, I'm open. And he says 6, 7.

[Dan]

I love that your son did this. Amazing actually.

[Adam]

So he's wide open. Mac Jones. It was looking at him like the whole time. Then he just came off of him there. And Bourne could have had A touchdown. There's just a couple of plays that stood out. Watching the All 22, but anyway. Yeah, so. So just Jacob. So you looked at that full Drake London and Darnell Mooney sample with Pennix just this year. Just this year. Drake London has a. A 21.3% target share when Darnell Mooney is on the field and 40% target share when he's off the field. But I mean, I think in the last two games, so the la, the game that. Okay, I think it was week four. Now the first two games that he played with Mooney, he had a 19% target share. 19% and 19.5%. The next game was 27.8%. That's great. The next game it was 41% with Mooney on the field before Mooney got hurt. Right. So Mooney played most of the first half, so 41% in that game. And last night his target share was what he had 10 targets on 38 pass attempts. I mean that's, that's really good too. So that's three games in a row where London's had a very good target share. Not 40% but over 25% when Darnell Mooney's been on the field. So personally I think he's fine. I don't think Darnell Mooney is going to be the reason that London struggles. They do throw a lot to pits. Now they didn't do that last year. They throw even more to Bijan than they did last year. So that these are sort of issues, but just a bad game. He had 10 targets last night. You know, I'll take it. I guess I'm trying to say I'd buy low on Drake. London still think he's a good player, like kind of a must start.

[Dan]

And the 49ers definitely played a lot more man defense, man coverage defense than the Bills did against Michael Penix. I think that is something that people. I mean, if I'm defending Michael Penix, I'll probably look at what Robert Salah did with this, you know, ragtag group of, of reserve players to shut him down. And I feel like I'll look at what the Bills didn't do and I'll probably make my game plan based on that. To me, that's how you play Michael Penix. You put everybody up online of scrimmage. You play, man, you play. I mean they didn't do it all game. They ran ton of zone too. I think it was 36, man, but playing a little, a lot of COVID one against panic seems to be the right play.

[Adam]

Am I missing something here with London, guys? I mean, he only has two games with more than 55 yards. You know, he still is doing nothing. 3, 3.4 yards after catch per reception. That's just, that's just what he's gonna be, it seems. Am I overrating him?

[Dan]

I don't, I don't think so. Right. Like Jacob, you don't feel like. I feel like an individual. You're talking individual player wise.

[Adam]

In fantasy, I still consider him. I think if we were drafting again in fantasy, he top 30 pick for sure, if not a second round pick.

[Jacob]

I don't think that he maybe has the upside that we thought he might because one, the defense is actually playing really well and then two, Pinnocks has been probably on the lower range of where we could have predicted. And so those two things combined makes it where he has to really play well. He has to do the yards after the catch stuff and he has to pile up a lot of these targets because yeah, we need, we need more volume overall for him to get there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to the 49ers here. Kyle Pitts, by the way, is the number 12 tight end per game in full PPR, number 17 per game and non PPR is coming off a very good game. He's on pace for 808 yards, 85 catches, 108 targets. So someone you can use. Yeah, Mac Jones wasn't great. Didn't, didn't need to do much because McCaffrey finally had a good running game. I mean, he's been really struggling running the ball yesterday. 24 carries, 129 yards, two touchdowns, plus seven catches. He always gets to seven or eight targets, but it's usually on about 40 pass attempts. This time it was on 26 pass attempts. And Christian McCaffrey. Guys, there are three running backs in the NFL right now averaging 24 or more PPR fantasy points per game. Two of them played last night. The other is Jonathan Taylor. That is sensational. I mean, that's high end stuff.

[Dan]

And look, the fact that he's doing this with a run game that has not blocked well until last night, and maybe I'm hopeful that's a sign of things to come. Having George Kittle back in the run game is certainly, certainly a plus for them. He's one of the best run blocking tight ends that I've ever really seen play the game. And in addition to that, I think just getting a lot of the talent around him on the offense, it could mean like McCaffrey's due for maybe even more, quite honestly. Like maybe the targets will come down, but the rushing success will come up. This is a tweet from field Yates that I just wanted to point out. Christian McCaffrey's finishes amongst running backs so far the season. Third, fifth, sixth, eighth, fourth, seventh, first. There's just no one like him in fantasy, as Jacob and I kind of touched on. And you were on this train too, Adam. You were willing to take him third overall in the preseason. He has the clearest path. Like he's the only player in all of fantasy that his path towards success is just simple. It's one simple formula. Don't get hurt. Everything else is in play. There's no questions about the situation. He's playing through a bad run blocking team with injuries across the board to all of his offensive players and still scoring at this rate.

[Jacob]

Yeah, this was super encouraging because like I said, the Falcons have been shutting, have been shutting people down. But this like we finally saw, when there's rushing efficiency, you get 40 points. I tweeted this out last week and it's like, wow. Bijan Robinson is leading fantasy football in points per game with only three rushing touchdowns. Which is insane. Right? He's getting there all with yards. CMC was right there with him, both at 25 points per game. He only had four rushing touchdowns. He had no rushing efficiency at all three yards per carry. And then finally we see it come together and it's like, oh, gosh, yeah, this can be 40 points any given week.

[Adam]

By the way, this, this chart here is four point per passing touchdown or six.

[Jacob]

Believe it's six.

[Adam]

No way. Really? Because I'm pretty sure way. Oh, wow.

[Jacob]

I could be wrong, but I think that's right. 4.

[Adam]

But it doesn't matter. I mean, this is a cool graphic here of Bijon Robinson and Christian McCaffrey. This is last week, you're saying.

[Jacob]

Yeah. This is a week old.

[Adam]

Yeah. And. And you know McCaffrey only even better than that. So.

[Jacob]

Yeah, so CMC's one now.

[Adam]

And then. You know what? I think we'll, we'll save the conversation about what's going to happen to the passing game for another time. Because if, if Pierce all is back next week, I, I think Kittle's going to be fine. But look, McCaffrey could just, just kill everyone. I mean, if he's. He's gonna have, he's not gonna have this.

[Dan]

I think his target share will come down when it's not Mac Jones, honestly, probably.

[Adam]

And Mac Jones. Mac Jones had a season high in time to throw. As in like the the amount of time it took for him to throw the ball after the snap. But little deceiving because he also had a season high by far of pass attempts under 2 and a half seconds. So he was getting rid of the ball right. Very quickly. 61.5 of his passes. He got rid of it in under two and a half seconds. That's the third highest rate this week in week seven in the NFL behind Joe Flacco and Patrick Mahomes. He only threw one deep ball. It was dropped by DeMarcus Robinson for whatever reason. That's just what they have, a good pass rush, the Falcons. This is what Mac Jones was doing. Real quick passes. Not good for the wide receivers. Terrific for Christian McCaffrey. You guys worried about George Kittle or we think he's going to be great going forward or what?

[Dan]

He was one of our big buys on last week's show, so I'm sticking with it once Purdy gets back in.

[Jacob]

Right?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

I don't. I don't see any reason why George Kittle wouldn't be George Kittle and I.

[Adam]

Don'T see any reason why we shouldn't be listening to beyond the Box Score the rest of the week. What kind of episodes do we have coming up this week?

[Jacob]

Yeah, beyond the Box Score. Check us out. We do. This is the first one of a four episode week. Dan and I have got two together and we're going to get into all the usage notes, all the specific stuff. Like we're about to get into Roma Dunes and I'll tell you about some of the underlying reasons why things haven't been as good. We we try to do that just for like basically the whole league is what we do on these upcoming episodes.

[Adam]

Curious to see if you and I reading into Romo Dunes A came up with any of the same things or. Or what. So that's our last topic. We'll get to that. And it is of course football season and it's time for football at BetMGM. So if you register with BetMGM, get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat and boost tokens, live betting options and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code fantasy if they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your moneyline, parlay bets and more today. BetMGM make it legendary. We're gonna take a break, come back, give you the update. We have an update on Bryce Young and we'll be right back on Fantasy.

[Dan]

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[Jacob]

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[Adam]

All right. Bryce Young has a high ankle sprain. He's unlikely to play this week against the Bills. That could often be a multi week absence. Bills Packers Next two games going to be tough for Andy Dalton. Are you going?

[Dan]

I don't know about bills being tough these days.

[Adam]

Maybe that's true. They got pretty injured a couple of weeks ago in that game against the Falcons, so hopefully they're a little healthier coming out of the buy. It is a home game for Carolina that's good. Do you think this hurts or helps Tettero McMillan having any Dalton back there? He was actually very quite fond of Xavier Legate yesterday.

[Jacob]

He was? Yeah. I mean what we've seen so far is that Dalton has been better than than Bryce at least for facilitating the volume that receivers need. So it definitely could be a good thing.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dan]

Dalton did have a couple when he started for Bryce over these past two years before this had a couple big games. I if I remember 300 plus still can get the ball out I think on time. Still don't understand how to process a defense very well. So older player. I'm not knocking either of those two guys are fantasy I want to see with a full week to game plan who he's targeting.

[Adam]

Yeah, his first start 319 yards, 30.6 fantasy points at Las Vegas. This was Dalton last year and it just got worse after that. 220 yards, 136, 221 and then 93 yards. I don't know if he got hurt in that game. I meant to look that up. He was only 11 of 16 for 93 yards. But yeah, I think he did get hurt and then Young came back. Maybe they just benched him. But Dalton started out hot and then fizzled. What else we got? Okay, so the Dolphins situation. There was a report from Ian Rapaport that no changes are expected at this time for the Dolphins this week. I don't know if that's about Mike McDaniel. McDaniel said that he's going to evaluate and if you're not helping the team, you might lose your job. I don't think he was talking about tua. I'd be surprised but obviously shaky situation there. Adam Schefter was thinking it was saying that the Vikings could be looking at week nine for J.J. mcCarthy. So not this upcoming week but the week after that would be at Detroit in Week nine. That's just a maybe. And then Justin Fields could get benched. Eric Glenn hasn't made a decision. Breeze hall though is looking good. He should be fine for this week's game against Cincinnati. And Garrett Wilson could be back this week. We would love that at Cincinnati. Running back news it's pretty much just Breeze Hall. I don't know if there's an update on Cream Hunt. I haven't seen anything. We'll see if he practices.

[Dan]

I'd like to see an update on Kyler Murray at this Cardinals offense looks like it's moving a lot better without him.

[Adam]

Could be Brian Thomas Jr. Was a little dinged up late, but he's going into his buy. And Don Tavian Wicks with a calf injury. There were a couple of big tight end injuries. Darren Waller. Haven't heard any updates there yet. Pectoral injury for Waller. Cole commit left. They're at Baltimore next week. That could be a shootout. Could be good for Loveland. Offensive line Philadelphia Center Cam Juergens, Saint Center Eric McCoy. Couple of Chargers got banged up. San Francisco center Jake Brendell or Brendel. Sorry. Kansas City guard Trey Smith. These are all guys who left with injuries. Sauce Gardeners in the concussion protocol. San Francisco lost the cornerback Renardo Green in the first half. He's an every down player for them. The Falcons lost the linebacker Divine Diablo. And maybe that's why they're run defense. They're run defense actually in terms of yards per carry. Wasn't so good coming into the game, but they did limit fantasy points. They also the Falcons were giving up the fewest fantasy fewest receiving yards to running backs all year and McCaffrey had that kind of game against them. Washington lost edge rusher Dorrance Armstrong in the first quarter. He's their sacks leader, so we'll see if he can get back out there. And I think the Jeffrey Simmons injury is pretty big for the Titans. Luckily, they're going on a buy. The Eagles are a little beat up, actually. No, wait, I don't think the Titans are going. No, they're not going on a buy. Sorry. They have the Colts next week and they're. They're just injured in general. All right, let's do some snap counts and other stats that we deem necessary for you to know. Jacob Take it away, Cub.

[Dan]

That even. That's not even a dad joke. I don't know what that is.

[Jacob]

That's crazy.

[Adam]

You must get that all the time.

[Dan]

What was that?

[Adam]

He must get that all the time.

[Dan]

I did see from the comments, apparently your impression of me was off of a dad joke, so I definitely have to listen now.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think it was like, what is that supposed to be funny? I mean, how is that. What am I supposed to laugh at that?

[Dan]

Damn, that's too spot on. It's too close, though.

[Adam]

All right, what do we got? Jacob Gibbs.

[Jacob]

I so I didn't really prepare much, but I do have like, we can go through positionally. The guy who just like jumps up to me at the front of mine is a Ronda Gadsden. I'm curious who you guys take. So he's been somebody I've been excited for, but like really couldn't have expected him to play such a big role in, in Year one. Both he and Harold Fannin, I was like, I don't know. It feels like they could eventually become full time pros where they're, where they're playing in line and doing this stuff where they're split on the, in the slot and out wide. But I didn't think that they would be good enough, you know, blockers, which jury's still out for sure. But they're both playing a ton like 87 route rate for Fanon this week. Of course, the game environment was, you know, weird and, and tough to produce much passing there, especially with them playing with a huge lead and just running so much. 77 route rate for Gadsden. So that's back to back weeks where he's basically just a full time player and a big part of the offense. So I've got it here tied in. If you guys have any, any thoughts on him. I'm going to look around, see if there's anybody else. Terence Ferguson popped off a little bit.

[Dan]

I do want to talk a little bit about Gadsden because he's gonna be probably the highest priority waiver this week, I assume, except for maybe two QB leagues with Dalton. He's somebody we talked about a lot on beyond the box floor last week. Jacob, I just feel like what the Chargers have realized with getting him on the field is they can get him in matchups that are advantageous for their offense, especially with a quarterback like Justin Herbert. Like I saw a cut up from yesterday from his game and there were multiple times where Herbert hits the whole shot to Gatson. It's like, yeah, he's gonna be there in that spot. He's essentially a wide receiver playing tight end in some ways. But it wasn't just that he made plays after the catch. He really had like a complete football game for the Chargers. He looked really freaking good out there, I think when he, the amount of plays he made. Like, I get it. It's tough to predict what's going to happen with the Chargers. Quinton Johnson was this fantasy fine for most of the season. Now he's had like two games in a row with less than 12 target share. It's going to be frustrating at times, I'm assuming, but. And I think you have the numbers to back this up. Jacob, so you can follow up if you have them. The Chargers have thrown at an incredible rate this year and they continue to throw at an incredible rate. And so they're one of the past first teams in the NFL. They're one of the few past first teams, past heavy teams in the NFL. So it may just be one of those offense with an elite quarterback like Justin Herbert where you can trust a lot of guys to at least be in play and at the tight end position you don't have to do much to be worth starting on a weekly basis.

[Jacob]

Their third and pass rate over expectation. The Chiefs are at the very top. They've been there all year and the Cardinals have creeped way up. They've had running back injuries of course and then the Chargers are next. So definitely has been a very fantasy friendly offense.

[Adam]

Yeah they well how about this Chargers, as we were talking about the Chargers offense Later, they are fourth in yards per game. They are third in pass rate. They are first in pass attempts per game. 39.3 pass attempts per game. The Chargers are second in gross passing yards per game. They're also first in wide receiver target rate. That could be changing if they get Gadsden more involved. They're seventh in touchdown passes. But all of those things said The Chargers are 19th in points per game because they are the second worst red zone team in the NFL. They are horrible there and the only the Raiders are worse than the Chargers. But a lot of everything else is so great. 6 Most plays per game. They're passing all the time. I think one thing I noticed with them though is they've played really good offenses including the Colts best offense in football right now I believe. You know they don't have a bad defense so their schedule lightens up in terms of the caliber of offenses they play. So I guess I could see lower scoring games, less need to throw the ball. But at the same time without Amari and Hampton they're not going to be able to run the ball successfully for the most part. So we should expect a lot of past stamps. I will say that I love Gadsden, what I'm seeing from him as a player. However I do not think I'll be picking him up in maybe any leagues because I just really I'm very nervous about picking up players after their quarterback throws 54, 55 passes. And the the example that comes to mind last year was Sam Dart was Jordan Love facing Sam Darnold and the Vikings. I don't know if you remember that fourth quarter comeback game. Love through 54 times Don Tavian Wicks had five catches, 78 yards, two touchdowns on 13 targets and I'm pretty sure Christian Watson, yeah he did. He got hurt in that game and we went gaga as a community for Don Tavian wicks. He had two catches for 20 yards the next game on seven targets. But still I just 50 plus pass attempts. You know, it just. You can really be sucked in and if I I don't know if I can trust Quentin Johnston or Keenan Allen. A lab McConkey every week. It's just too hard for Gadsden, I think, to be consistent. I'm not saying you can't stream them but, but I I can't see consistency from him. It's not his fault. It's just this is what we've got here with the Chargers. Too many mouths to feed.

[Jacob]

A wide receiver. I would point out CD Lamb all the way back 100 route rate Rashi Rice was not and this is partially influenced by the blowout, but even early on I think they were using him in a in a pretty limited way, kind of easing him back in. Here's the route chart from next gen from Ian Harditz where you see like pretty much is only on one side of the field doing real simple stuff and still had a huge game. So I think that there's maybe even more upside. They've talked about wanting to expand his role beyond what we've seen in the past. Travis Hunter got a role expansion that's back to back weeks, whereas route rate is much, much higher than we've seen in the past. And then Matthew golden again. Like his peripherals just keep creeping up. It wasn't a good game, which is you would have liked to see a big game when the packers actually fell behind for once. I haven't gotten to his film yet, but the underlying stuff continues to look good.

[Adam]

If you want more on the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes on the field, here were the route participation rates. Xavier Worthy 75% Kelsey 72.5% Isaiah Pacheco 50% which is cool. Second week in a row where Kareem Hunt has has missed some time in the game with injury. Marquis Brown 47 Marquis Brown, Juju Smith, Schuster and Rashi Rice were all at a 47.5% route participation rate with Mahomes on the field? Noah Gray 37.5 and the big loser was Taekwond Thornton 32.5% do you guys know who wide receiver one per game is this year?

[Dan]

PPR Is it not Puka.

[Adam]

Not anymore.

[Jacob]

Jamar, It's Rishi Rice. Oh.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Adam]

I have some other stuff. Unless you had more. I didn't want to cut you off.

[Jacob]

Of the the Carolina guys was pretty much a straight split drive to Drive. I thought Rico played better, but I haven't got into the film on that. Common on Guy was playing more in this game, so it was another big DeAndre Swift game. But even early in the in the game, Managa was getting in and scoring points. And I think that's interesting, relevant, potentially, like maybe it's a time to sell high on Swift. You continue to hit on like the Pacheco usage keeps looking good. I was really surprised that Burchard Smith was in the game a lot. We've talked about how they've kind of phased them out. It seemed like. But early on they were getting a lot of touches, including some touches out of the backfield early on, which they hadn't really been doing. So I guess I'm just saying I have no idea what to expect from this because I thought maybe with Rice coming back that it would be not so much Richard Smith stuff, but I think Andy Reid really likes him, so I'm continuing to keep an eye on him.

[Dan]

Is he like bringing back the McKinnon role for this offense? Essentially, that's what.

[Jacob]

Yeah, people hoped it would be, but it looked like they were apprehensive to get him backfield touches cream. Hunt did get a little bit banged up in this one, but yeah, 14 carries is way more than we've seen from him. A lot of it was at the end of the game, just kind of salting out the clock, but still like that. That's different than what we've seen really with him.

[Adam]

Yeah. So my, my thoughts on that is I just. I'm not gonna care unless Pacheco gets I third down or goal line work. And that's Kareem Hunt's role. So it's like it's getting better for Pacheco, but he needs to score and he can't score if Kareem Hunt's healthy, I feel. Or he's probably not going to score if Kareem Hunt is healthy. So that's kind of where I'm at.

[Jacob]

I guess I shout out Jalen Warren just real quick in case anybody like that's gone from the mind because it was a long time ago or whatever. But the role was really good again and he continues to look so good. I feel like the week before he didn't have a lot of production, but like he was running people over. Like this is back to back weeks where it's just like this guy's really good and the team is, you know, responding to that and giving him basically.

[Dan]

All the touches also on that front, like it's an offensive line. The Steelers where one they drafted a lot of talent like over these last few years and it took a while to come together. But it actually looks to me when I watch them like watching that full game on Thursday night, Island game, it's starting to come together. And we know from the history of Arthur Smith as a play caller and offense coordinator, he designs great run games like he always has had a top run game. And earlier in the year it's like, ah, well, whatever, I guess it's not happening for Pittsburgh. Looks like it's happening for Pittsburgh. I actually really like that point about Warren. He's somebody who if you can trade for, you still have a chance to. I don't think he's fully broken out with that offense. He looks good individually, as Jacob said. And that line and that run game starting to really come together with a lot of talent up front.

[Jacob]

Come on. And Vidal play the same role. I just wanted to get that in real quick. Play the same role that he did last week.

[Adam]

No, there were two running backs who stunk this week, but I thought their role is probably more than that. Their roles were good and that was Videl and actually Bam Knight because they started using Dearness Johnson on third down. So Michael Carter is completely useless. But Bam Knight was not really splitting and neither was Kamani Vidal. Just in terms of carries, you know what you're getting, you're not getting great players here. You're just hoping that game script's good enough and they could find the end zone or something. So at least you can take a little bit of heart in that. By the way, Dan, when you said the offensive line was starting to come together, it reminded me of starting to come together. Pepper. Starting to come together.

[Dan]

Oh, I thought you're gonna say it remind you of come together.

[Adam]

Oh, right now that overrated band. You have no idea.

[Dan]

A lot of heat for that all weekend and rightfully so.

[Adam]

Yeah, you deserve it.

[Dan]

So again, let me make it clear. Top 20. Top 15. Fine, I'm with that. Top one. No.

[Adam]

Top 20. Oh, that's so generous. Top 15.

[Dan]

Top 10. Maybe.

[Adam]

Maybe Beatles. Maybe top 10. Okay, other notes here. Travis Hunter just. He played 87 of the offensive snaps. Kyron Williams played 29 snaps in the first three quarters compared compared to Blake Corum's 14. So it was a pretty much a two thirds split for Kyron. Stefan Diggs only played 54% of the snaps, but he did have a 75% route participation rate, which is pretty good for him. Tyler Bidet Was back and RJ Harvey was. Was, you know, caught a touchdown, but he barely. They played about the same amount of snaps. Josh Jacobs only played 55% of the snaps before the game. There was a report that it was his calf that was the bigger issue than his illness. And he played only 55% of the snaps. Hopefully he can get healthy throughout the week. And Washington wide receivers, if they're playing another game Without Debo and McLaren, Chris Moore 79% of the snaps. Jalen Lane 69%. Zachary, 67%. Luke McCaffrey seems like he want. Everybody wants him to be. The guy just doesn't really play that much. He played 54% of the snaps. You know, I probably should have looked at the first three quarters because it was a blowout, but I don't think they were taking their. I don't think they were taking their guys out like, because of the score.

[Dan]

Speaking of, that could get ugly fast, too. If Mario was playing. I. I don't know.

[Adam]

You know, he. They did a pretty good job with him. Mariota, they faced the Raiders. I have it in my notes somewhere. They scored a good amount of points. Hold on. He's in my notes somewhere.

[Dan]

Mariota against the Raiders. Yeah.

[Adam]

Oh, they scored 41 points against the Raiders and 27 points at the Falcons. So credit to him. But they need. They need their guys back.

[Dan]

They were like. Weren't they like down multiple scores in that game and a lot of it was garbage time against Atlanta. I thought. I remember that could be.

[Adam]

I don't remember.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right. Topic number one is about the Washington commanders. It's about Jakori Crosby. Merit. This is from Momo. Mo Mo Mo. Bill having two chances and failed. Failing fantasy managers is a bit unfortunate considering pretty decent matchups. He's talking about the Bears last week and the Cowboys this week. And yeah, I would. Those are great matchups. And he scored 5.8 fantasy points against Chicago and what, 4.2 fantasy points yesterday. So, Jacob, I don't blame you. You were high on him. Looked like things were setting up pretty nicely.

[Dan]

What.

[Adam]

What. What are you seeing right now with your Corey Crosky?

[Dan]

Merritt?

[Jacob]

Yeah, definitely disappointing because we were excited for these matchups. I will say the Bears got healthier coming out of the buy into that game and they played pretty well. I haven't dug into the film for this week. I'm. I'm surprised that we didn't get a better result. But yeah, what we're seeing from Bill, like, he. He's had a 39 stacked box rate this week, only 3 yards before contact this week. And so I think, you know, Jane being out probably hurts and the run scheme isn't working quite as well. But I mean, ultimately, like he's just got to play better, I think is basically where I'm at with it. Like he had just amazing games through the first five games and the past due, like all the efficiency numbers are just crashing way down. I think that he can get there. Like, I, I'm not doubting the talent at all, but like he needs to run well for him to be a good fantasy player. Like, he doesn't have quite the like target equity that some players do and he might lose out on touchdowns occasionally. We saw that in this game where the touchdown happened to go to Chris Rodriguez late in the third quarter. And so if he's not running well, then he's a pretty questionable start. But we really thought that he would run well because this Cliff Kingsbury scheme has done such a good job of running well and he looks like a really effective player within it. And everything the team has done suggests that they really believe in him to run well. So that's where we're at. It sucks. I still believe in him. I would buy low on, on Bill, but if we get many more of these games, then we're just clearly on a downward trajectory.

[Adam]

Dan, did you watch the tape? I did. I'm curious your thoughts.

[Dan]

I'm not got a chance yet to watch the Washington Commanders run game, so I'll defer to you on this one.

[Adam]

Well, first of all, he gained. He gained 29 yards on his first five carries. And then the rest of the game, Crosby Merritt had eight carries for 4 yards. What I saw, and I don't have anything to compare this to, I thought it was a very aggressive defense for the Cowboys. As Jacob mentioned, they had eight men in the box a lot. I also thought they were kind of like run blitzing a lot. I just think they had no respect for the commander's passing game. With no McLaurin, with no Debo Samuel, and then eventually with no Jaden Daniels. They. I think they just really focused on Jacquard Crosby, Merritt. I thought, believe it or not, they just whooped. They just whooped Washington up front. They. He was in the. He was getting hit in the backfield a number of times. I don't think anyone would have ran well under these circumstances personally. So then let's talk about a couple things.

[Dan]

The goal line that doesn't surprise me too. Right. Like all the things you mentioned that no receivers Jaden out of the game.

[Adam]

Yeah. So then let's talk about a couple of like concern. Go ahead, Jacob. Sorry.

[Jacob]

No, you could. I was just jumping in randomly. I would say like what we just saw with Bichon Robinson is basically the same thing where there was no respect for the pass game and he averaged 2.8 yards per rush. The difference is like he has the receiving stuff that's like way beyond what Bill has. Exactly. This is a weird one. But like stylistically Bill kind of runs like B John. Well, like as there's pieces that he can like navigate, like he is extremely effective at navigating each individual one and jumping from one to the next to the next. But like if everything's crashing down, like there's not much that he can really do.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So there are two other concerns here. Right. Why did Chris Rodriguez get a goal line touchdown? Well, the way that unfolded was they had second down and one at the three yard line and Crosby Merritt was in the game and this was Mariota at this point and they threw incomplete and he came off the field for third and one, which surprised me a little bit. Usually he comes off the field for third down. It's McNichols for whatever reason, they brought Rodriguez in on third and one from the three yard line and Rodriguez got the carry and he scored a touchdown. I they played five snaps inside the. Inside the five yard line and Bill was in on three of them. So that's not a huge concern for me. I certainly don't think Rodriguez is the goal lineback. Obviously it could happen, but I think Bill is the first option there. But then you get into the passing game stuff and there's just almost nothing there. The commanders Jaden Daniels is has the second lowest running back target rate on first and second down in the NFL ahead of only Sam Darnold. And if he's going to catch passes, it's going to be on first or second. I don't think he's run a single route. He hasn't run a single route on third down his entire, the entire season. So that's an issue. We know what it is. Right. He's. He needs to get a lot of work. And that's another issue. That's something that we probably haven't talked about because Jaden Daniels runs so much. They don't really have that many running back carries. So the running back I wanted to compare Bill to was Quintean Judkins. Both of these guys have one of the lowest route participation rates among running backs. They don't play on third down. Difference is Quinton Judkins in his last three games, he's got over 20 carries twice. You're talking 14 to 17 carries three straight games for Corey Crosby Merit.

[Jacob]

So.

[Dan]

But I think they're. I like that what you're talking about because I think you. You're spot on those. A lot of good stats and a good comparison. But I think if Bill is going to win us fantasy leagues or he's going to be contributor for us down the stretch, it's a different path than Judkins. Judkins path to me is Browns can stay in some of these games, keep the game script close and Judkins can get his 20 carries and he's a really good individual runner and their line is coming together and. And Stefanski is calling some good stuff up front for. For Bill. It's almost like Daniels gets back to the level he was playing last year. The Washington offense gets back to level he was playing they were playing last year. And Bill is a. Is a cog in that offense because that's. To me it's less of. It's less reliance on him and more reliance on the Washington offense and Jaden Daniels get back to how they were playing last year, which. That I have some concerns about.

[Jacob]

It just makes me wonder, have you looked at the schedule for get hard?

[Dan]

I feel like it gets harder. I feel it's Chiefs, Lions, the next three are tough.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Chief Seahawks, Lions, these next few. And then they could be what, like three and is it three and seven? Am I doing my math?

[Dan]

Lose all those. Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then that's Mario to play. I don't even know what's going to happen with that situation with Jaden.

[Adam]

Should we be thinking about selling Quinton Judkins based on what I said? I mean, it's, it's.

[Dan]

I mean I haven't been in on him at any point, so. Yes, but.

[Adam]

But you've kind of been wrong because.

[Dan]

For now the games are closed for.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's not a bad idea.

[Dan]

Script's good and he's a great player. Let me be clear about that. I like his talent a lot.

[Adam]

It's not a bad idea to think about selling a player after he faces Miami. It's just Right.

[Dan]

But I would definitely try to sell him right now.

[Adam]

You know, look, he could be Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb was one of the few running backs who thrived while not catching passes. It's basically just been him and Derrick Henry over the last whatever six some years. Can Judkins be that guy or will they maybe throw to him a little bit more? Maybe.

[Dan]

But I feel like in both of the. Yeah, it's fair comparison. Like some of those Titans offense weren't. Weren't that great and Henry was able to overcome it. Same thing for Nick Chubb. So I don't. It's not like I'm totally out on this player. I think he's a phenomenal talent. Like everything he's done for Fantasy I think he's done in a lot of ways himself. But I just have such a hard time buying into the Browns offense rest of season with Dylan Gabriel.

[Jacob]

Same Dan. Do you remember that when I dug into all the Chub or the the data for Judkins this summer I was like he looks like a bus. Unless he's Nick Chubb. Like that's basically exactly what the data said. And then you watch him as a pro, it's like he kind of looks like Nick Chubb.

[Dan]

He's really, really good.

[Adam]

Yeah. So I'll tell you some guys he's. You tell me if you'd rather have Quinton Judkins or some guys who he's kind of close to in points per game. Cam Scatter Boo.

[Jacob]

Yeah, we've done this a few times. It's tough. I. I think I do lean towards scattered because he has receiving upside that Judkins doesn.

[Adam]

I'll go Scatter Boo Judkins or Jalen Warren.

[Jacob]

I'm gonna go with Warren. That might sound crazy.

[Dan]

I feel the same way. I will say this about Judkins. There are like looking ahead Patriots. He has some games Jets, Raiders that stand out to me. Titans. He still has some games left on his schedule that really stand out as possible wins for him from a game script standpoint maybe.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And there's just some other games here like 49ers. I just like some of these games. Just like I don't see it for him because I don't see the Browns scoring. For me it all just comes down to the touchdown upside with him versus a player like Warren or Scatter Boo. And I feel like for Scatter Boo for sure has more touchdown upside than Judkins.

[Adam]

Oh, I don't know. Well, maybe he certainly has a nose for the end zone. He also just got to be likes to get into the end zone and while he's two yards deep in the end zone, lower his helmet and smash a defender for no reason. It just craves contact. Let's not forget with Quintean Judkins last week he faced Pittsburgh and he had 12 carries for 36 yards for 3.6 fantasy points in all formats, Right? All right, we got to take a break, talk about the Chargers offense when we come back on Fantasy Football. Today, upgrade your laundry routine with a durable and reliable Maytag laundry pair at Lowe's.

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[Adam]

All right, question from Michelle. What to do with teams like the Chargers. So much talent, but how to know who to trust? I thought about this a lot. I did a lot of research. I watched a ton of tape and Michelle, I have no idea. So Jacob, what do you think specifically about the charge? I think the Eagles are kind of in this boat too. But what do you think?

[Jacob]

I think like generally it's been encouraging to me what we've been able to facilitate offensively with the Chargers here, even with the tackles going down, some of it like this game and some of it was just kind of desperation mode, right? Playing from behind. And then the game before was against the Dolphins. So like I think it could even get worse. And that's I think important to Bring up because like with, you know, Gadsden emerging with Quinn Johnston playing better this year with Keenan Allen continuing to like demand like first on the team this week. 36 first retarget rate. Keenan Allen. And this has just kind of been who Keenan Allen has been like all along the way last year. This year, like still at this point in his career that does make it fragile where there, there has to be a lot of yards and a lot of attempts and everything that we've been seeing from them for these guys to be good. Like even this week. QJ barely got there with it because he had a touchdown. Quinn Johnson had a 10 first three target rate this week because Keenan, Lad, McConkey and Gadsden all were really, really involved. So it's like I believe in Herbert and I'm like generally happy with how they've been able to play and keep this afloat. But it could be bad for any given guy on any given week.

[Dan]

I think the. Yeah, that is true from the, from the receiving standpoint, but the, the better. I mean, are we. Is there any reason to doubt Justin Herbert as a clear cut top six quarterback rest of season?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Doing this without Joe Alt.

[Adam]

There is. You know, I think he. Okay his look at his last four games. 16.6 points at Denver, 14.5 points at the Giants, 16.6 against Washington. This is six point per passing touchdown. 22.8 at Miami, which isn't even that good. Then he has this huge game with. How many points did he score yesterday? 30 something. So I. There's some reason. I mean, I think he's probably a must start, but I can't ignore that.

[Dan]

The last passover expectation, like I just feel like they can't run the football with this group of backs that are left. But maybe that will change, right?

[Adam]

I think that will change. I think they'll be able to run the football pretty well.

[Dan]

They weren't running it well before that though. They had one good game running the football with Hampton.

[Adam]

I thought they had two.

[Dan]

Well, second, you might be right.

[Adam]

I still have six. I mean he's. He's good. He's, you know, but I think, you know, the one that really stands out, I think people are probably the most concerned about. My guess would be Quentin Johnston. His target share in his last two games, 12.5% and 11.1%. Look how open he is here. Oh, he burns, this guy. He's. Throw it to me. It's a touchdown. P.S. these jerseys are gross. I couldn't like watching the film, watching the Tape. Look at this. You can't tell what the numbers are. Thank goodness Quentin Johnson has long hair. I had no idea who's who.

[Dan]

They're bad jerseys, legitimately.

[Jacob]

Other than qj, I could not tell who was who. I was like, mixing up keenan Allen and lad McConkey and the next player to mix up Keenan Allen and Gadsden. It's like, how does that make any sense given the size difference with those guys?

[Adam]

Yes, I know.

[Dan]

All yellow is an insane move.

[Adam]

Keenan Allen caught a touchdown, and I was like, oh, Gadsden caught a touchdown. Oh, no, it was Keenan Allen. Anyway, my. My personal thought was Quentin Johnson looked pretty good. Still running by guys. He had a deep shot that Herbert threw behind him a little bit. He couldn't come down with it. But at the same time, it's 12% target share in his last two games with injured game in between there.

[Jacob]

That clip you just showed, like, the ball is already coming out of Herbert's hands, right?

[Adam]

Yes, because. Because Keenan Allen's wide open, too. And it was a completion of Keenan Allen. Yeah.

[Jacob]

And I just think that's relevant for qj. Like, this is something Dan and I were worried about with qj. Like when we speculated on what the loss of Joalt might mean in addition to the Slater loss at the other tackle spot. It's like, I think Johnson is probably the most likely to see his numbers go down. And that's what we've seen is Herbert's getting the ball out very quick. 2.33. Time to throw. This past week was the fastest spin all year.

[Adam]

Oh, wow.

[Jacob]

And his pressure rate was the lowest it's been all year in this game. And it's been low each of the past two games because they're intentionally designing things to get the ball out quick. And QJ has been like the isolated X receiver that's working down the field more.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Adam]

But the good news is that Joe Alt's been practicing. He didn't go on ir. I think there's probably a chance he's back this. This upcoming week. They've got Minnesota, so that could. That could really help. It's a big deal. I mean, it's a big deal when guys get their left tackle back. So I think you said it well. Right. It's like one of these guys probably going to stink. I don't understand what's going on with. Oh, here's McConkey. But here's a look at how open. Look at how open Labaki is. He was distracted. He goes, hey, can you believe The Giants are going to beat the Broncos. He was scoreboard watching. It was so sure. Yeah, but look how open he is. This was an incomplete pass. He threw this ball almost to the goal post. It was so high. This should have been a touchdown from McConkey. He also had another ball in his hands in the end zone. Later in the game, someone asked, where are the six sevens in these pictures? Six seven has not made its way out to Los Angeles, believe it or not. It's still very much an east coast thing, I guess. What was the first game I used it on? Oh, no, it was in San Francisco last night. Never mind. Bad, bad take there. Yeah. So it's gonna be tough. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start Quentin Johnson in all my leagues next week and just. Especially if Joe Alplays and just hope it's his turn.

[Jacob]

Justin Herbert had 355 catchable air yards produced in this game, which was the second most in any game this year. The only one higher was that crazy Russell Wilson game that got went into overtime.

[Dan]

Oh, wow.

[Jacob]

So that's. That's what I mean when we're talking about, like, the offensive environment. Like, there's only been three games even above 300 catchable air yards all year.

[Adam]

All right, this one's from Jake Anderson. How concerned are we about Travis Hunter maybe becoming the featured wide receiver over Brian Thomas Jr. And the Jags offense moving forward? I'm throw it to Dan first.

[Dan]

Okay. So obviously I've been low on Brian Thomas Jr. For a little while now, and I've heard it in the beyond the box score chat. Shout out to the beyond the box score sickos who join us every week and populate the chat. They couldn't believe some of the players that I would be willing to trade Brian Thomas Jr. For and some of the players that I would take over Brian Thomas Jr. Another week goes by, and PTJ to me just continues to look bad on the football field. I didn't think he was particularly impressive in this game. And then finally they start to expand Travis Hunter's route participation and just. They let him do things that he's fully capable of doing, and he looks a lot better in that role than Brian Thomas Jr. Ever really did. So I. My antennas are up for Travis Hunter. I think he could be. I always. I said this before, and I talked about this with Jacob on our show earlier this summer. I watched tape of every single receiver that came to this class, and there were some good players. Buka has been amazing this year. Among others, Travis Hunter to me was the clear cut, best receiver on tape and it wasn't really particularly close. There were no weaknesses in this game besides maybe straight line speed, which I don't even really feel is a weakness of his. So I'm ready to see it come out because they're finally letting him run more of a full route tree and they finally believe that he's capable of understanding where to be within the offense. And look at what he does in his first opportunity like that. He steps up for 20 plus fantasy points.

[Jacob]

Yeah, BTJ had team high 93 catchable air yards, six catchable targets. The result was three receptions for 31 yards. He's just not playing well. Liam Cohen has been talking about it like it seems like we've been kind of walking the tie rope with him all year. Whereas like this could maybe this gets turned around there. It seems like they're trying to do things to get him feeling more confident, but he continues to not look confident and he continues to look really uncomfortable going over the middle of the field. Yeah, it seemed like his shoulder is.

[Dan]

Bothering him and his wrist. It's all sorts of things.

[Jacob]

Just like. Yeah, I feel no confidence really in it bouncing back. But on the Travis Hutter side of things, yeah, it's looking really encouraging. A lot of catchable air yards from Trevor Lawrence in this one because they fell behind and had to throw a ton. Of course. And then we saw that, that Focus mostly on Hunter. 39 first read target rate was by far the highest on the team, by far the highest we've seen from Travis and the usage has been trending upward and I think he's. He's good enough to, to capitalize on it. I'm excited to dig into the, the film more. Of course. I watched that on Sunday morning but I want to watch the individual routes because he hasn't been winning routes at a high rate. But I do think that that's partially affected by the types of routes they've asked him to run. So I'm very excited to see like dig into more downfield stuff for him.

[Adam]

Would you. Who would you take straight up right now?

[Jacob]

I would take Travis Hunter over him.

[Dan]

Right now, rest of season. Interesting. I mean, I think I would too.

[Jacob]

This is, I mean this couldn't have swung worse for BTJ like that. I, I felt so bad coming out of this game in terms of BTJ vibes.

[Adam]

Yeah, I, I would still take Thomas because hopefully he can get healthy on the buy. But also Hunter yelled 6767 about that. That so I Think there's still this possibility that they use him on defense. You know, that he has a.

[Dan]

He's great on day. He had a really good rep in that game.

[Adam]

So that that possibility still exists. I can't knock that out.

[Dan]

Problem. Yeah.

[Adam]

Because their secondary needs it too. Like they could use some.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

At halftime during that game. I forget who it was, but whoever on NFL Network was saying, like, they should use him on defense because they're getting torched. They've committed, I think, four penalties in their secondary.

[Dan]

The problem is like, their offense sucked until they used him more consistently on offense. So they have an equal problem on both sides of the ball.

[Adam]

Brian Thomas Jr. Has six drops this year. That is as many as he had last year. I'm watching currently his drops.

[Dan]

He's playing hurting.

[Adam]

He has. He has really cost himself a lot of fantasy points with drops this year.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, our last topic. Yeah.

[Jacob]

41 of the snaps for Hunter came out wide, which is another clear change. Like it's not just the slots.

[Dan]

There we go. Finally, he can win out wide. He won out why consistently at Colorado.

[Adam]

All right, this one comes from Philly. Dad, is Romo Dunes a hold or a buy low? Is the Chicago offense doing anything differently after the buy that is affecting Rome's production or is it regression? And before we answer that for the season, Romo Dunes A is currently much different in non PPR than full ppr. I'll give you per game. He is per game, Romo dunes a number 11 wide receiver per game in non PPR, number 13 and a half PPR number 17 and full PPR. So it could just be regression and you just take the full season numbers. But the concern, like this is his. This is his pace for the season. 68 catches, not great. 11, 17 yards, not great. 14 touchdowns on 130 targets. That's his pace right now. But the question is, is he a hold or a buy low? And is the Chicago offense doing anything differently after the buy? And Jacob, what is your take on Roma dunes?

[Jacob]

I dug into this. So I've got on the screen the first read target rates. This is per fantasy points data through the first four weeks. For Odunze, we had 28, 38, 29, 32%. So all in that, you know, wide receiver, one range every single game. In the two games following the buy, it's been at 17 and 19%. You don't overreact. Two games it could swing back in his favor. But this was another thing that Dan and I speculated on was that right it felt like when you watched Caleb Williams that he was getting a bit too locked onto Odunze as that first read and missing other guys. And we know that DJ Moore has a tendency to get frustrated. He was a guy who's getting missed a lot where it's like the. If you can get through the progressions, these guys are more open. Like, these plays are created to like layer in different looks for you depending on what the defense is doing. And so when they're taking away Rome, you need to get off of Rome. And he wasn't doing that very well. But lately they've kind of just changed. It seems like the, the intent of the plays in terms of the way that he's reading it out. And so I dug into Fantasy points data and I think I can contextualize it and, and what, what I've been seeing. His time to throw when targeting his first rate in the two games following the buy is 2.23 and 2.254 seconds on average. Whereas before the buy was like 2.55. So that's a pretty substantial change. His average depth of target is down as well when targeting his first read coming out of the buy. So I think they're doing more things to maybe get off of Odun as that first read so he doesn't get stuck there would be my guess. I don't. I don't know. Like, maybe it's just to get other pieces incorporated or whatever. But I, I think what we saw this last game was no player above a 21st retarget rate. So it's like Ben Johnson maybe just kind of taking more control and like getting it where it's like more of the Daniel Jones kind of thing. You know, where it's like, this is your first read. Like, go there. Like, I've got like each play I've got something designed specifically to beat What I think the Demons is doing. That's kind of where I'm at is like Caleb seemed to be struggling a bit, progressing through his reads and then also like his accuracy was not good in the four games before the buy and continues to be not very good, especially when off of his first read, his accuracy had been really, really bad according to Fantasy Points Data Suites charting. So it doesn't look good for Rome, but at the same time the volume has been really low for the offense lately in terms of passing numbers and that could creep up. They've. I think they're only favored to win two of their games the rest of the season, which is really strange for A team that's playing so well, but they've got some, some games where they could get into back and forth shootouts. It could be playing from behind. So I definitely wouldn't overreact and sell room because I think everything we saw from a town perspective is very clear. He's a top 10 pick. He's playing really well, looking like an alpha target hog type of wide receiver one through the first month. And that could come back if they get where they feel a need to be more aggressive in the passing game and push things down the field.

[Dan]

I'll say one thing on that note. From a team context standpoint, I have seen a couple great breakdowns yesterday and from last week of just what Ben Johnson's been able to create in the run game with his scheme. Some of these are just like wide open holes for DeAndre Swift to cut through and that's something that could have came out of the buy. Right? He's designing more success in the run game. They were already doing a good job before the buy in this regard, but. But even better of a job now. In addition to the Bears defense playing a lot better football coming out of the bye week. Not exactly sure why that's the case. Don't follow them closely enough. Maybe it's a health standpoint or just the matchups they've faced, but if those two things continue, Bears defense playing as. As good as they have recently or somewhere close. And then Ben Johnson and DeAndre Swift designing the run game to be successful. It was. It's just going to be less pass volume overall for everyone, including Odunze.

[Jacob]

I'm so interested in the bears that my YouTube algorithm like feeds me Bears content as if I'm a fan. Yeah, they've gotten, they've gotten healthier on defense and I feel like Ben Johnson all year in regards to the run game and the defense is like, we're right there. Like we just, it's just, you know, we see it on film. Like there's just a few things that need to happen. He like continued to stand by DeAndre Swift the whole way and be like, it's not any one person's fault. It's just that we're very close to getting our execution down and we're not quite there.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think that's the biggest difference is they've run for over 100 yards, well over 100 yards as a team. Each of the last two games they've had 27 carries for 145 yards and a touchdown at Washington 134 yards and a touchdown against New Orleans. So 27 carries in both games. Caleb Williams 29 and 26 pass attempts. That's just never good. DeAndre Swift has not been a guy that you can really trust to be efficient. But this is only the second time in his tenure with the Bears he's averaged more than 4 yards per carry in consecutive games. But he is, he's on fire right now. Maybe they did figure something out during the buy and far as Odunze goes, I mean I was, I brought it up a lot. I was like, should we sell high on this guy? Because he's got, you know, one game with more than 69 yards and that's still the case. He had 128 yards and two touchdowns at Detroit. They lost. They were getting killed in that game and throwing a ton. He had 11 targets in that game. So the key number, we've given a lot of numbers here. The key number for me is that he's on pace for 130 targets. I hope that continues. That's about seven and a half a game. If he's on pace for 130 targets rest of season, I think he's going to be really good, you know, and he's their preferred end zone guy. He had a touchdown called back two weeks ago against Washington. Let's not forget that. So that would be great. If you can get seven or more targets per game that's probably going to be enough for a Dunes a to be a must start guy if they keep running the ball this well. He's only had 11 targets in his last two games then we could have an issue. But I think I would, I think I would definitely hold. I wouldn't sell. I would buy lower. Hold on Odunze.

[Jacob]

They're just, I like that.

[Adam]

Aren't that many. How many wide receivers are we just putting in our lineup going, oh, they're going to be great every week right. There just aren't that many.

[Jacob]

So every week we're like, should we buy BTJ? I wouldn't. Should we buy A.J.

[Dan]

Brown?

[Jacob]

I wouldn't because there's like eight other receivers that I think are good buys. And it's like, okay, I guess everyone's just not playing well at receiver right now.

[Adam]

Yeah, someone brought up a good comp here. He's like Pickens on the Steelers sort of, you know, I don't know what Pickens. Oh, on the Steelers. On the Steelers. Oh, that's interesting. I think he's better than that. But Pickens on the Cowboys I thought was a pretty good comp because I don't know what Pickens on the Cowboys is. I think he had a 20 target share in this game which was the highest in three games with Lamb. So who would you rather have rest of season George Pickens or Romo Dunes Pickens?

[Jacob]

For me we've been ranking them in basically the same range with Odunes, they being a little bit higher because I think he has the chance to push into 28 target shares on an offense that could be really good. But I mean if this continues then definitely Pickens it's. Yeah, Pickens.

[Dan]

Pickens managed to have a pretty put together a pretty decent game for a fantasy standpoint despite everything going against him from a game script standpoint the environment.

[Jacob]

Just feels so much better for Pickens. Like I feel like the environment is much more likely to lift Pickens than Odunze whereas he might actually have to be fighting it. Odunse to me actually profile is really similarly to Drake London from an environmental standpoint. The only difference is that I feel a lot more confidence in London as like a target hog whereas like Odin's day we haven't seen a lot of that London. We've seen it for like four or five years now.

[Dan]

Yeah, I feel more com. I agree with that though. I do feel more confidence in Ben Johnson's ability to scheme oh Denze open looks than than I guess the Falcons or I guess maybe just Kayla Williams to get the football to him than Michael Penix.

[Adam]

What's going to happen with Odunze? A lot. As Caleb Williams scrambles, tries to extend the play and he often looks for Odunze and he did twice in this game yesterday against the Saints and he threw downfield to him twice and both times the Saints defensive back Justin Reed the first time, Kool Aid McKinstry the second time they just made a good play. They knocked the ball out of Romo Dunes hands but he had two opportunities. That's. Oh we gotta show. You want to show something. I was about to sign off. Jacob, you have another. I saw something like a graph.

[Jacob]

No, I was just looking but I mean well I've got the floor. Let's talk about Colson Loveland. I'm excited about that. I said that the first three. I said that the first three target rates for all the bears were below 20 in week seven. I was mistaken. That was week six. I just got it mixed up. Week seven.

[Adam]

Come on.

[Jacob]

Team high first retarder rate 25. Colson Loveland tied with DJ Moore. We could have it. We could have it if. If Cole commits, I think, back injury. Is that what I saw? If that keeps him out. Things have been trending in the right direction with Loveland lately.

[Adam]

Can I just give Dan some credit for something? Because we're very hard on Dan on this show and we love that. I mean, people love that. I heated up some leftovers today. I made a little circle on the plate.

[Dan]

Oh, you did?

[Adam]

Put the circle in the middle. Put the food around the circle. Right around the perimeter of the plate. Yes, I think it worked. I think it worked pretty well.

[Dan]

Right? It heats it more evenly.

[Adam]

It was really good. I don't understand the science, but.

[Dan]

Someone told me it once and I live by it.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's very good.

[Jacob]

You know, Good.

[Adam]

Good for you. Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Thank you all for watching and listening. This is beyond the Box Score. Three more episodes in the beyond the Box Score feed this week. You could also go to YouTube.com fantasy football today to see our content. And obviously, Johnny, in the chat, I did not heat it up in plastic. I took it out of the plastic and put it on a plate and then ate it on the plate. All right, have a great day, everybody. Oh, can you believe game seven is tonight and we have two Monday night football games. This sucks.

[Dan]

You can do not. Not the today's age, like with YouTube TV, at least that I use. You can watch both at the same time, I guess, but at the same time. I'm sorry, what do you do?

[Jacob]

Oh, you're talking about baseball. Sorry.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, I won't be watching the baseball game personally, but I respect it. It's game seven and I would if it wasn't for the Monday night Games. And I got massive fantasy implications in these games across the board.

[Adam]

It's a sacrificial lamb game tonight in bas. Because it's just whoever wins is just going to get destroyed by the Dodgers.

[Dan]

By the Dodgers. Yeah. The Dodgers are just. It's insane, that roster. And everyone's like, well, they built it.

[Adam]

What have they built?

[Dan]

It's not like they've done like they have. They've just bought this team. They haven't built a team. They bought a team.

[Adam]

They bought a lot of it. All right, thank you.

[Dan]

They bought it.

[Adam]

Well, they did. They spent well.

[Dan]

Well, better than the Yankees and Mets, that's for sure.

[Adam]

Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today. See you.

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