Buy Low, Sell High, Worryometer, PIT-CIN Preview and Much More (10/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today Podcast: "Buy Low, Sell High, Worryometer, PIT-CIN Preview and Much More"

Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings (CBS Sports)

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Episode Overview

The central theme of today’s episode is actionable fantasy football trade strategy: identifying buy-low and sell-high candidates, evaluating player worries on the "Worryometer," and previewing the Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cincinnati Bengals Thursday Night Football matchup. The crew provides deep analysis on trends, injury impacts, trade value, and rest-of-season outlooks for both mainstream and under-the-radar players.

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Top Discussion Points & Insights

1. News & Notes (03:42-06:46)

• Injuries & Updates:
  • D.J. Moore (groin, day-to-day), Josh Palmer (week-to-week), Dalton Kincaid (day-to-day, in bye), Carson Wentz (shoulder, questionable), Brandon Aiyuk (close to returning post-Week 10).
  • Minnesota QB situation: Uncertainty if J.J. McCarthy is healthy enough to start; Max Brosmer named as likely fill-in.
  • Key IDP note: Cincy LB Barrett Carter is replacing Logan Wilson; had 10 tackles, possible add in IDP.

2. Most Traded Players – Buy/Sell/Hold (06:21-11:22)

• A.J. Brown: Buy (Heath), Hold (Jamey), Price Dependent (Dave).
• J.K. Dobbins: Generally a sell or price-dependent.
• Brian Thomas Jr.: Generally a hold/buy (recent production encouraging, but Adam suggests selling if you can fetch true value—07:29).
• Chase Brown: Not enough market for a gain on sell; mostly a hold.
• DeAndre Swift: Hold/Buy depending on team situation and schedule ("He's got the role we like, just needs to be more efficient." – Adam, 09:30).
• Lad McConkey: Sell lean (Jamey), Hold (Heath/Dave). McConkey had his breakout with Q. Johnston out and vs MIA. Debate if that's repeatable.

"If you drafted him or bought low, don’t sell just to get him off your team." – Jamey (11:24)

• Player Comparison: Brian Thomas Jr. vs. Lad McConkey
  • Jamey: “I’d rather have Thomas Jr.” (12:01)
  • Dave: “They’re both probably WR2s. I’ll take McConkey.” (12:05)

3. Buy-Low Candidates (13:05-27:31)

Heath’s List (13:05)

• James Cook:
  • Two bad games; usage worry, but seen as a top-12 RB ROS (rest of season).

  • "I can't imagine after losing that game going into a bye...that they'll continue to make that choice [low usage]." – Heath (13:52)

• Zay Flowers:
  • Ravens WR set to rebound post-bye with Lamar Jackson returning.

  • "Love the Flowers call...the stars will align for him and for a lot of Ravens after their bye." – Jamey (14:10)

• "Would you buy low on Zay Flowers or Derrick Henry?" – Adam (14:29)

  • Heath says both; Jamey notes higher price for Henry.

Jamie’s List (21:42)

• Brock Bowers:
  • Targeting injury discount; should return by Week 9/10.
• Bucky Irving:
  • Usage dependent, but explosive offense; potential split with Rashad White.

• "You’re clearly trying to acquire these players if you're in a position of strength...hoping that those teams are not." – Jamey (22:02)

Dave’s List (24:41)

• Garrett Wilson:
  • Must be "cheap" due to injury, but when healthy is a target monster.
• Kenneth Walker:
  • Efficiency far outpaces Charbonnet; Seahawks’ split likely unsustainable as playoff push nears.

  • "Their solution in Seattle is to use them both...we've seen it before though...they let their playmakers play." – Dave (25:18)

Risk Disclaimer:

"It is risky to trade for injured players...sometimes they come back and they're not the same." – Adam (28:27)

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4. Sell-High Candidates (30:30-36:43)

Dave's List (30:56)

• George Pickens & Jake Ferguson:
  • Regression expected when CeeDee Lamb returns.
  • Ferguson top-5 TE ROS, but target share will drop. “If you can pair Ferguson in a deal to get Bowers, that’s an easy move.” – Jamey (31:45)
• "Pickens will have some boom games even though Lamb's back...but you have to assume a downturn in targets." – Jamie (31:00)

Jamie's List (33:55)

• Travis Kelsey:
  • Possible decrease in target share with R. Rice’s return. Package for Bowers if possible.
• Kamani Vidal:
  • Perfect “sell after waiver breakout” and combine in deals for “superstars” (34:02).

Heath’s List (35:13)

• Rico Dowdle:
  • Role likely shrinks when Chuba Hubbard returns; may become part of a committee. (36:15)
• DK Metcalf:
  • Performance peaking; may regress to low-end WR2 as season progresses.

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5. Thursday Night Football: PIT-CIN Preview (43:07-54:44)

• Steelers RBs vs CIN:

  • Bengals allow strong RB production. Both Warren and Gainwell in flex discussion.
  • Jalen Warren promoted as "Start of the Week" Thursday: "He’ll be right around RB15-16" – Jamie (44:06)

• Jalen Warren Start Decisions:

  • Over Mason, over Montgomery, over Kenneth Walker in full PPR, but not over Rashid White or Mike Evans (if Evans is active). (44:50)

• Aaron Rodgers:

  • Strong streaming option but not top-12 for all. Consensus: start over Sam Darnold (48:23).

• DK Metcalf:

  • "Must start this week; probably WR20 ROS." – Heath (50:19)
  • "Could be three [consecutive games as Top 10 WR]." – Jamey (50:57)

• Tee Higgins:

  • Should be treated as a low-end WR2/high WR3.

  • "He has one game with more than 11.2 PPR points where Jamar Chase also played and Burrow didn’t." – Jamie (52:24)

  • Flacco a passable stand-in QB; expect volatility.

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6. Worryometer (Worryometer) Segment (55:05-64:30)

Scale: 0 (No worry) – 10 (Panic)

• Travion Henderson: 5-6 (Dave), willing to take a chance that a rookie RB breaks out second half.
• Chase Brown: 7-9, usage and offensive woes (56:34).
• Saquon Barkley: "Zero compared to RB field, six compared to his expectations." – Heath (57:40)
• A.J. Brown: Concerned, despite targets, not producing big games.
• Xavier Worthy: Varied: 2-5. Some worry about target competition if R. Rice returns.
• Tony Pollard: "Ten." – Jamie (62:08)
• Keenan Allen: Range: 2-6.
• Jakori Crosby Merit: 0 (no worry right now).

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7. Grade the Trade (64:31-68:35)

• Nico Collins & Brian Thomas Jr. for Puka Nacua, McLaurin, Kamani Vidal:
  • A+ (Dave), but others note risk as two incoming players have injury concerns.
• Pickens + Swift for Justin Jefferson:
  • Yes (unanimous); slight overpay, but worth for upside.
• Rico Dowdle + Goddard for Trey McBride:
  • "If you can, do it with haste." – Jamie (66:39)
• Michael Carter & Jamar Chase for Josh Allen + Abuka/Addison:
  • Only if desperate at QB; generally not recommended.
• Breece Hall + Rashee Rice for Nico Collins + Rico Dowdle:
  • Accept; like upside on Hall/Rice side.
• James Cook + Rashee Rice for Christian McCaffrey + Tet McMillan:
  • Lean cooking/rice side overall, though fair in shallow leagues.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On buying Brian Thomas Jr.:

  • "I think if you've been watching, there's been signs that have been building toward this." – Heath (07:37)

• On James Cook’s Outlook:

  • "I can't imagine after losing that game...they'll continue to [limit his usage]." – Heath (13:52)
  • "It’s really dumb that he has zero catches in the last two games, and I don't like expecting NFL teams to continue to do dumb things." – Heath (15:15)

• On Trading Injured Players:

  • “It is risky to trade for injured players...Sometimes they come back and they're not the same." – Adam (28:27)

• On DeAndre Swift's Usage:

  • “The Eagles attacked the edges with him...If they continue doing that...he'll be great.” – Jamie (09:47)

• On Jake Ferguson Sell High:

  • “Try and do something with Ferguson in a deal to get Bowers...Ferguson's a sell high.” – Jamey (31:45)

• On DK Metcalf:

  • “He’s a must start wide receiver in this game. Rest of season he's probably more of a low end wide receiver two.” – Heath (50:19)

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Fun/Off-Topic Moments

• Microwave/rice reheating debate (60:55–61:57):
  • Adam: “Reheating rice is such an issue, isn't it? You have to do it separately...”
  • Plastic safety PSA: “Don’t ever reheat plastic...it’s really bad for you. Don’t do it.” (63:29)

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Episode Structure / Key Segments & Timestamps

• 02:21: Show open, movie trivia banter
• 03:42: News & Notes
• 06:21: Most Traded List – Buy, Sell, Hold mini-roundtable
• 13:05: Buy Low lists and detailed debate
• 30:30: Sell High lists and rationale
• 43:07: Thursday Night Football (PIT vs CIN) preview and start/sit deep dive
• 55:05: Worryometer rapid-fire
• 64:31: Grade the Trade – listener submissions
• 68:35+: Off-topic banter, show close

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Summary + Ideal Listener Takeaways

This episode is must-listen for managers seeking actionable advice on key RB/WR buy-low or sell-high opportunities, deciphering trades in injury-impacted weeks, and squeezing maximum value from trending waiver adds. The crew delivers strongly justified opinions, nuanced risk assessment, and practical negotiation tips in both redraft and dynasty settings. The Thursday night preview is robust and tactical (especially regarding the Steelers’ backfield) and the show’s light banter keeps it fast-paced and approachable for all fantasy experience levels.

Transcript

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[Dave]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Dave]

No, I can't.

[Jamie]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Dave]

Now here's some combination of Atom. Welcome, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

What's up, everyone? Let's talk some trade. Let's get worried because it's worryometer Wednesday on Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. We will do our best to make today's show absolutely legendary. A little bit of an early start for you. Legend getting it legendary even earlier in the day. I have a quote for you. Can you name that movie? Because we're starting early. Remember Rise and Shine. It's butt whipping time.

[Jamie]

Nothing I got.

[Adam]

All right, first person.

[Heath]

Dirty Dancing.

[Jamie]

Dirty Dancing.

[Adam]

First person in the chat to get it gets a question answered. Rise and Shine.

[Dave]

This is Doubt Fire.

[Adam]

You know what? They're just going to cheat. It's cool runnings. Come on. They wake up.

[Dave]

Your favorite comedy movie of all time, Mrs.

[Adam]

Doubt.

[Jamie]

That's Ghostbusters 2.

[Adam]

My favorite comedy of all time is probably my cousin Vinnie.

[Dave]

There is a tweet in the Adam Azer thread from Adam while He was watching Mrs. Doubtfire saying this might be the funniest movie ever.

[Adam]

No, it's true. It really is true. It's incredible.

[Jamie]

It's very funny. Yeah.

[Adam]

Come on. That's a good take. All right, we got news and notes. Here's a. Here's another trivia question.

[Dave]

A big fan of the Nutty Professor.

[Adam]

Is that real?

[Dave]

The Nutty Professor?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. It's great. No, but it's not. This is Doubtfire great. It is great.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Who's the most traded player right now?

[Heath]

Rashi Rice.

[Adam]

No, he's been huge. One of the biggest busts in fantasy. Every week we talk about him. He's a wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Brian Thomas Jr. A.J.

[Dave]

Brown.

[Heath]

A.J.

[Adam]

Brown. Brian Thomas Jr. Is third. J.K. dobbins is second. Quick, let's go through the news and notes. D.J. moore has a groin injury. He is back out of the hospital with Chicago. He is day to day. They play New Orleans this week. Josh Palmer is week to week. Dalton Kincaid is day to day. They're in their buy. Carson Wentz has a shoulder injury, may not be able to play this week. Are you guys expecting JJ McCarthy to start for Minnesota against Philadelphia?

[Jamie]

Nope.

[Heath]

Our residents Vikings guru picked up their third quarterback in our super flex league or a dynasty. Which one? I forgot A dynasty league.

[Jamie]

How much fab did he spend?

[Heath]

Zero.

[Jamie]

Oh. Now he's averaging 19 per Vikings quarterback.

[Adam]

Okay, so who are you expecting to start? That would be Max Brosmer. Who are you expecting to start this week?

[Heath]

I would expect once at this point. All right.

[Dave]

Is it And I. Dave sends out a wonderful list and we communicate throughout the week week on who we expect to start and I have mostly just stayed silent on the Vikings. But are you guys thinking McCarthy's not healthy yet or it just doesn't matter?

[Jamie]

A little bit of both, but more so the former.

[Adam]

Should be asking Thomas really, I think. But Mike Vrabel thinks that the Patriots running backs might be focusing too much on ball security. They are not running the ball very well.

[Jamie]

I wonder why.

[Adam]

Brandon Iuk is getting closer to practicing. Might be back sometime around week 10. And Tennessee offensive line coach Bill Callahan resigned as they fired his son, the head coach. Here's a name to know when IDP leagues haven't been given out these Cincinnati linebacker Barrett Carter. He's playing on Thursday. He took over as the starter for Logan Wilson. They say they're going to stick with him. He had 7 solo tackles and 10 total tackles. Name again is Barrett Carter. If you're looking for a linebacker in.

[Jamie]

IDP leagues, he's been thrown at 15 times this year. Receivers in his coverage have caught 15 passes.

[Adam]

That's not bad.

[Jamie]

Just gave him. They just gave him more work on passing downs last week.

[Adam]

But that's not necessarily a bad thing because it means he could have some passes defended if he ever. You know, because they'll throw at him and he'll have more tackle opportunities.

[Jamie]

Yes, technically that's true.

[Adam]

Okay. We have another show on CBS Sports network tomorrow at 1:00pm Eastern. It's. You don't really have to watch it because it's just Dave, Jamie and Heath. But if you do want to watch those three, it's at 1pm Easter and they'll go over some rankings for Fantasy Week seven. I'm gonna go through the most traded list right now and just tell me generally speaking, are you a buy or are you a sell or are you a hold on the Most traded players? A.J. brown.

[Heath]

Bye.

[Jamie]

Hold.

[Dave]

Price dependent.

[Adam]

Okay. I mean think they're all pretty much going to be price dependent but. J.K. dobbins, buy, sell, hold.

[Jamie]

Agreed.

[Dave]

I'm probably more likely to sell than buy.

[Adam]

Brian Thomas Jr.

[Jamie]

I'm still holding.

[Heath]

I'd buy.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think. Bye.

[Adam]

Really? I thought maybe we get a little sell opportunity. It's been so bad. Finally is good. Does that mean we're, you know, we're encouraged by it or we're. You guys aren't thinking.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

I'm taking this opportunity to get Brian Thomas off my team if I can, you know, if I can get third round value.

[Heath]

I mean I, I think if you're getting something fantastic because of what just happened than the thought of, okay, I'm gonna overpay for Brian Thomas because he's going to be that guy again. Then you should take it. But I think if you're, if you've been watching like there's been signs that have been building toward this. So the hope would be is this is what we're gonna get in this range moving forward.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And it does coincide with one of their key players going on IR and Brent Strange. So.

[Adam]

Yeah, he also again, he had that 54 yard touchdown catch called back so showed some explosiveness. Back to the most traded this buy, sell hole Chase Brown.

[Jamie]

If you sell, you're not going to get much for him. So it's either sell to somebody who's desperate for a running back so price dependent or hold and take your lumps, hope things somehow get better in Cincinnati.

[Dave]

I'm certain they're not buying, right?

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay. How about DeAndre Swift with this really good schedule, Saints, Ravens, Bengals, Giants, Vikings even don't have a great run defense coming up. Does get harder after that, but you've maybe got a four or five week schedule with favorable matchups for DeAndre Swift. Buy, sell, hold.

[Jamie]

The dog's buying. I will, I'll say hold, hold.

[Dave]

I still think there may be an opportunity if somebody thinks it was just one good game and you can buy for a month that if I'm 2 and 4 or worse I might be buying but it'd probably be a buy then a sell. I was concerned watching that game because it felt like, man, why is Kyle Manangai playing so much when DeAndre Sif's playing so well? But his snap share was only one point lower than it was in week two. I, I think it's okay.

[Adam]

Okay. So DeAndre Swift, look, you're getting usually you get three catches a week. He's been two to four catches every week, typically around three. So that's a good thing. He's, you know, he was in near the goal line last week. I don't know that he's exclusively going to have that role, but he's got the role we like. Just needs to be more efficient. He finally was.

[Jamie]

Well, they used him smartly. They attacked the edges with him instead of running in between the tackles and putting them in situations where, you know, he has to use his vision a lot more and that's always been a problem for him. So if they continue doing that and it continues working against teams with slow linebacker units, then he'll be great.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

New Orleans has actually been pretty good against the run just Statistically over their last, I think four games.

[Adam]

Oh, all right.

[Jamie]

I don't know if that means, that doesn't mean to sit him or anything like that, but if he goes out and he has a rough game this week, he'll be an interesting player to talk about seven days from now.

[Adam]

Let's just do a few more here on the most traded list. Buy, sell. Hold on. Lad McConkey.

[Jamie]

I'd lean cell.

[Heath]

Eileen, hold.

[Dave]

Buyer, hold.

[Adam]

Okay, I think we can talk about that a little bit, Dave. I think, you know, the obvious reason to sell or lean sell on McConkey is he finally had his best game without Quentin Johnston.

[Jamie]

So against the Dolphins.

[Adam]

Yeah, another good point against the Dolphins. So what's the. What's the buy, Heath? What's the lean buy? What did you say buy or. Hold on, Lava Conkey.

[Dave]

I said buy, slash, hold.

[Adam]

All right, what's the case?

[Dave]

I mean, I think we're talking about a guy who was not quite a first round pick, but 34th overall elite talent, elite rookie season volume has not quite been there, but hasn't been awful early in this year. And he just had a good game. I'm just more likely to believe he's going to be good than bad.

[Adam]

Okay. All right.

[Jamie]

I mean you certainly shouldn't give him away, especially if you bought low on him after week one, week two, week three, etc like we were talking about him as a great buy low. In the last couple weeks he's been more involved and doing well. So if you, if you bought low on him, the only reason why you get him off your team is because you get a really good offer, you upgrade him to one of the top receivers on that are available in fantasy. But if you, if you drafted him or if you bought low on him, don't sell just to get him off your team. It's. I don't think he's going to regress back to the point where he started this year.

[Adam]

Would you rather have Brian Thomas Jr. Or Lad McConkey?

[Jamie]

I think I'd rather have Thomas Jr. Thomas.

[Dave]

They're both probably wide receiver twos. I'll take lead.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

There we go.

[Dave]

I think like I really struggled this week coming up with buy lows and sell highs because that's not really how I see a lot of the trades coming together right now. It's more about who's losing and needs to score points now. Who's winning and can wait a little bit for production. Who needs to get rid of players on buy. Cook has had two bad games in a row. There were a lot of complaints that the usage last week in particular went back towards what we saw in the playoffs last year when the Bills chose to play without their best players on the field and people concerned that they're going to do that more throughout the year. I I can't imagine after losing that game going into a buy as good as Cook was earlier in the year that they'll continue to make that choice as often as they have. I think Cook is a top 12 running back rest of season and he's had two bad games in a row. Say Flowers not very productive with Cooper Rush. Lamar Jackson's coming back. I think he's still going to be pretty much maybe slightly better than what we thought he was going to be coming into the season. A low end number two wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Love the Flowers call. I think he's one of the best buy lows out there. Good projected schedule rest of season and once upon a time he was wide receiver one on a week. That was week one with Lamar. I I just think it makes sense that the stars will align for him and for a lot of Ravens starting after their buy in.

[Adam]

My yeah, two questions. First of all, you more likely to buy low on Zay Flowers or Derrick Henry or both.

[Heath]

Both.

[Jamie]

But you'll pay way more for Henry than you will for Flowers.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dave]

Flowers.

[Adam]

Second thing is about James Cook. You called him a top 12 running back rest of season. Do you think the possibility of him being, you know, top five like he was for those first four weeks is still there because my concern is zero catches in his last two games. So that's what, you know, that's what we don't want to see. He was. He was involved in the passing game in the first four weeks of the year in ways that he really wasn't last season. And now one target, I think zero catches in his last two games. So, Heath, what are your thoughts on that for James Cook?

[Dave]

I think it's really dumb that he has zero catches in the last two games. And I don't like expecting NFL teams to continue to do dumb things. So the first three, like I think that five catch game against the Ravens, that was obviously a really weird game for the Bills, that we don't expect them to be in a lot of games like that. So 10 catches or seven catches in his other next three games. That's probably right. He's probably right. Just he's probably behind DeAndre Swift in terms of expected catches per game, but not by a lot.

[Adam]

Okay, I'll give you guys.

[Heath]

I think just based on the. The narrative one of you guys lose, I think maybe it was Heath, that the usage in the game Monday that there's already the story that's out there about Sean McDermott talking to Joe Brady about his role and about James Cook's role. And I can't imagine they come out of their buy and it's not back to what it was the start of the season. To whatever extent, you know, whether it's more involved in the passing game or just more touches in general, more playing time in general, like they didn't extend him. They don't do that with that position to go through situations like this like Josh Allen's the MVP of the NFL from 2024. He can still be the NFL MVP. They need James Cook. They don't go anywhere without James Cook. The way that this offense is, is set up right now.

[Adam]

Okay, I'm gonna give you one more stat to know about James Cook and some other players after this break, and we'll get to some more buy lows. So so far we have Zay Flowers and James Cook. Who else is on the buy low list? We're also going to preview Thursday Night Football. Steelers and Bengals. The second. According to ESPN, the second matchup of quarterbacks, both 40 and older, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, was the first. And we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.

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[Jamie]

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Plan options available taxes and fees extra. See mintmobile.com all right, I can squeeze this stat in real quick. It relates to James Cook but also some other guys including one that I kind of want to buy low on, but I'm not so sure. Here are the running backs, the relevant running backs with the lowest third down rate participation Third down participation rate route participation rate. These guys never play on third down. Don't run routes on third down. Basil Tutin, Jacori Crosby, Merit, Quinshon Judkins, Derrick Henry, James Cook. Cook is a little bit higher than the other guys. The ones that are really way at the bottom are Jacoi, Crosby, Merritt, Quinchon, Judkins and Derrick Henry. They just don't run routes on third down. They don't get targeted on third down. They need first and second down targets. So where do their quarterbacks rank currently in first and second down target rate to running backs. Jaden Daniels is 32nd. There's. I think there's about 35 qualified quarterbacks. Dylan Gabriel's seventh so that could be good for Judkins. Lamar Jackson is 22nd and Josh Allen right now is 29th. He was 21st last year. But my point is these guys need first and second down targets other than Dylan Gabriel. Their quarterbacks, Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. The quarterbacks for Crosby, Merritt, Judkins and Cook are not really throwing to their running backs much on first and second down. It's just something to think about, especially for Corey Crosby, Merit because he's got some tough run defenses coming up. You know, if he's off the field on third down constantly, how is he going to catch passes? Just something to think about. When we saw it, right, he had a ton of carries against the Bears. Didn't do anything with it. Had a bad fantasy game. I don't want to say.

[Heath]

He's not saying sell him after this week.

[Adam]

Who's he have this week?

[Heath]

Dallas.

[Adam]

After this week he has Kansas City. Kansas City's run defense has not been good. Then Seattle, then Detroit. No, I wouldn't say that. I would just say that. Understand what you're getting. You could get these games with one catch, zero catches with those.

[Heath]

But he's going to essentially blow up this week though, right?

[Jamie]

He's. We'll be talking about him a week from now too.

[Adam]

He was supposed to blow up against Chicago. They one of the worst run defenses in football.

[Heath]

I mean Dallas is on a different level.

[Adam]

Dallas Is yeah, Dallas is amazing matchup high scoring games every week. All right. Anyway, let's get to Jamie's by lows a couple of injured guys, Bowers and Irving. How confident are you in them being back one soon and being back to be being awesome.

[Heath]

The latter certainly is, is more easy to I think expect because of who they are and what they've shown us in their limited time in, in the league. And certainly in the case of Irving, what this offense looks like, like you want clearly pieces of Tampa Bay's offense and I think Irving was fantastic at the start of the season. I think he'll be fantastic once again. Maybe there's a little bit more of a split with Rashad White based on what White has done, but I certainly would be looking to, you know, take the risk. And, and the same thing with Bowers. Bowers, I think you just got to understand that you're not getting him at until the earliest week nine because they have a buy in week eight. So if he doesn't play this week, it's a two week window. But that's what you're praying on. You know, you're looking at the, the Bowers manager and the Irving manager and saying, okay, you don't have these guys right now. It's. You're clearly trying to acquire these players if you're in a position of strength, meaning that your team is in a good spot with its record and hoping that those teams are not. So I think in the case of Bowers, you know, depending on what tight end you have, there are easy options to pivot to off the waiver wire. Now clearly Bowers manager has those same options as well. But if you're packaging something with that tight end to get somebody like Bowers to hopefully allow that manager to get through the next couple of weeks that they wouldn't have Bowers anyway or at least the rest of the season. So I think it's the same thing like Heath is doing with the, with the guys on buys. You're looking at these teams that don't have these players and trying to give them something that will help them while obviously helping you down the stretch run.

[Adam]

Yeah, I was helping two, two friends in a different, in the, they're in the same league and I was helping both of them with a trade that they were making amongst each other and one of them was giving.

[Heath]

That's not collusion at all.

[Adam]

Yeah, it was weird. It was weird because one of them was like, hey, should I make this trade? And the other one got the trade proposal Was like, hey, should I accept this trade? But it was getting Bucky Irving for either Rico Dowdle and Chris Olave or DeAndre Swift and Chris Olave.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

And I thought it. It worked for both of them. I said I would take Swift over Dowdle, but, you know, it's kind of a lot to give up Swift and Olave for. For Bucky Irving. But if you've, you know, this guy's got a good team, right. And he's consolidating to have an incredible team, basically. But would you do that with either of those? Would you give up Olave and Doubter Dowdle or Olave and Swift for Bucky Irving?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

I think you're overpaying.

[Adam]

Okay. Jamie says yes, Dave says you're overpaying.

[Heath]

I mean, Dowdle's window could close any moment, and Olave has been solid. But I don't think he's. I mean, the way we rank him every week is not slam dunk, must start player. Like, you're getting what was a top 10 running back at the start of the season. What. What proved to be a top 10 running back was a top 10 running back situation. If he's the guy, which I don't imagine that he's not going to be the guy. So, yeah, I would absolutely do it. So. I made a similar trade offer in a league last night where I offered the Puka Nakua manager. It's a. It's a very deep league, so take that into account. Over 20 teams, but still, I offered Keenan Allen and Rashad White to the Bucky Irving manager for Puka Nakua.

[Adam]

Oh, that's not bad. I mean, yeah, that's. That would be great for you if that trade goes through, but. Right. You do have to prey on these managers who are desperate right now. Dave, your buy lows are Garrett Wilson and Ken Walker. I like. I mean, I'm very intrigued where you're going with these. So Garrett Wilson and Kenneth Walker.

[Jamie]

You got to be cheap if you're buying Garrett Wilson because you know that you're probably not going to see him until week 10. I just think about what he's done to start the season. Top 12 PPR finishes in four of his first five games. Total target hog on a team that's going to throw the ball. I think they're going to throw the ball a lot. I know last week they didn't quite do a lot of that, and yet they stayed competitive in a game that kind of stung for Garrett Wilson. Hopefully he comes back healthy. I think if you Acquire him now. A, you have to make sure that you've got the type of roster that can wait for Garrett Wilson to come back. Which means that you're gonna use Garrett Wilson as like maybe a number two, number three receiver. Like, like getting a guy like that while you have other receivers in your lineup suggests that you're going to have a powerhouse receiving core by the time he comes back again. You've got to do it cheap. Walker is playing with fire because we know that he hasn't been great fantasy wise for, I mean, the majority of the year. He's had like, what, one or two really good games. But I, I can't see this annoying split in Seattle continuing all year long. His efficiency is way better than Zach Charbonnet. Charbonnet literally ranks dead last in yards per carry among qualifying running backs. There's other metrics too, that favor Kenneth Walker. I know he's not at 100. Neither is Charbonnet. So their, their solution in Seattle is let's just utilize them both for now. We've seen it before though, when, when teams that are looking toward the playoffs start to really focus on that, they let their playmakers play. And I think that maybe not this week, but sooner than later, you're going to start to see that shift toward Walker. And I'm banking on that. And again, this is somebody that you should be able to trade for on the cheap. Because every single fantasy manager that has Kenneth Walker has hates his guts right now, and they get a trade of anything even close. Like that package that you put together to Bucky Irving. Maybe that's too much for Kenneth Walker too, to give up Dowdle and Olave. But like, that's the type of move that people who have Walker and are sick of him would accept in a heartbeat.

[Adam]

Yeah, I would too, if I had Ken Walker.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

No, listen, I've got Ken Walker in a couple leagues. It's very annoying. I think he snaps out of it. I think the Seahawks coaching staff, more importantly, snaps out of it. And the schedule isn't bad projected for the rest of the season. It's like middle of the pack.

[Heath]

Ish.

[Jamie]

So I, I think that there is some hope with Walker. Two guys, though. We're buying them cheap. Don't give up. Like don't give up Dowdle in Olave. That seems like too much for Ken Walker.

[Dave]

I do wonder how cheap Wilson are being because I remember the chats last week when we were talking about getting away from Garrett Wilson or even ranking him as a borderline wide receiver too and everyone was going insane and just saying, of course you start Garrett Wilson, he's a top five wide receiver. You don't sit Garrett Wilson. And so I, I don't know that the hurt game and maybe he's going to miss a week and then have a buy is going to be enough to get him super cheap.

[Heath]

I think that comes down to the Garrett Wilson manager's record. If they have, you know, the need right now to save their season, you know, struggling around 500 or worse, they're going to probably make whatever offer makes sense in the short term to get them back on track while they don't have Garrett Wilson. That's, that's the point of these type of trades. Like, you know, you're trying to help somebody save their season while getting something that if your team is in a good spot, will help you down the stretch. It's just the way this works.

[Adam]

Yeah, I just, we, I think I do have to say kind of a disclaimer. I mean, it is risky to trade for injured players and we keep telling you to do it. Sometimes they have setbacks, sometimes they come back and they're not the same. You know, like Nico Collins wasn't the same when he came back from an injury last year and Dalton Kincaid was injured all year. I just. Not that we were trading for him last year, but sometimes this happens with injured players. I think you just should keep that in the back of your mind.

[Jamie]

It's what I'm worried about the most with Bucky Irving because there's no taking away what he's done this year, especially as a pass catcher. He's been great, but we're not even sure the specifics of his injuries.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

So, like, at least with Brock Bowers, I, I think there's a. Pretty much like it's, it hasn't been said, but it's kind of been implied that he's not going to play this week. And then there's a buy. He's had enough time to rest. Okay. He comes back and he's hopefully 90 of himself when he comes back. Same thing with Garrett Wilson. Even though he just got hurt and the whole story on him changed because of the injury. Hopefully three weeks off will help his knee feel a lot better and he goes back to being himself. You're right, there is risk involved in there, but that's why you're not paying what their values were. Earlier in the season. We were taking Brock Bowers in round two. Garrett Wilson was round three, four, somewhere in that range. And now you're acquiring them at a much cheaper price.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Especially with Bucky. Bucky was around 2 pick. I don't think anybody's getting around to value firm.

[Heath]

Now, Heath, you, you did that with your Brian Thomas and CD Lamb trade, and you got a week and a half of good production out of Thomas. Like, how do you feel now he's back?

[Dave]

Yeah, I don't think that worked. Yeah, but I'm not sure it would have worked if I'd have kept CD Lamb. So, like you, that's the other thing is if you're one of these teams that's sitting at 1 and 5 or 2 and 4 and trying to save your season. I agree. Try to save your season. But don't view not saving your season as like, I messed up because your season was probably already lost.

[Heath]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, let's move on here to the sell highs. And Dave, you're going to go with again. I think last week you had a similar list, but you got two cowboys. George Pickens, it's just been unbelievable. And Jake Ferguson, who I think is the number one tight end in fantasy right now. And we're expecting CD Lamb. We're also expecting Mike Evans this week, FYI. But we're expecting CD Lamb back this week. So what are you looking for for Pickens and Ferguson?

[Jamie]

It's just even more of a, of a like alert, alert, alert to try and sell high on these guys if you can. I don't want you to trade them away for nothing because I still think they're going to be good. And Pickens will obviously have some boom games even though CD Lamb's back. But last week we didn't know for sure when CD Lamb was going to come back. Now it sounds like, if you believe Jerry Jones, it sounds like CD Lam has a really good chance to play. I view, Give me one second. I view Seed, not CD Lamb. Pickens is still like more of a number two fantasy wide receiver, like a middle of the pack number two fantasy wide receiver. I know that he's been amazing. I think he has two top two finishes in his last three games, but it's without Lamb. So I, I, you have to assume that he's going to see a downturn in targets and become a little bit more inefficient. Ferguson, he's someone I view as a top five fantasy tight end rest of season. Maybe the move is to try and do something with Ferguson in a deal to get Bowers because Bowers is a buy low, Ferguson's a sell high. Ferguson's not going to see the same type of opportunities, still be a red zone option for Dallas and he could still score, he could still be good for 10 or 11 PPR points per game, but he doesn't have the same upside as when CD Lam was was gone. And so if you're trading Ferguson in a little something to get Bowers, you're helping out the Bowers manager and hopefully you stream for a week or two and then you've got Brock Bowers back rest of season.

[Dave]

I, I think it's going to be fascinating to see when, when Lamb is back for three or four weeks how the targets are getting distributed in this offense. Because if, if you remember the first two weeks when CD Lamb was fully healthy, Jake Ferguson had a 21 target share. That's George Pickens had a 15 target share.

[Jamie]

That's bad.

[Dave]

He was wide receiver 34 those first two weeks with one touchdown in two weeks on a 15 target share.

[Adam]

He's done so well though. You know it is going to be super interesting and I've got a list of the last nine years and all the teams that have had multiple wide receivers finish top 15 or 16 in PPR. There have been 15. There have been 15 pairs of teammates who have finished top 15 in PPR at wide receiver over the last nine season. 19 pairs would finish top 16. I'll try to tonight I'll try to look at where the tight ends finished on those teams and see if we have any examples of two top 15 or 16 wide receivers and a top five tight end over the last nine seasons. I don't have that today, sorry.

[Dave]

And just for reference, Ferguson did not have a touchdown those first two weeks and scored more PPR fantasy points than Pickens combined.

[Adam]

All right, so let's go to what do we got? Jamie's Jamie Sell high candidates. They are Travis Kelsey and Kamani Vidal.

[Heath]

I mean I think in, in Vidal's case, obvious, you know, turn a player that you picked up off waivers who may have just had his best game very similar to what Dave said about lad McConkey against the Dolphins. So like you're looking at will he do this again? Probably not to this extent. Clearly Amari Hampton is coming back at some point so if you can help somebody else like this is the perfect type of player to package in a deal to get a superstar because he should have some short term appeal and then we'll see what happens, you know, as we, as we move on. And in the case of Kelsey, with Rashi Rice coming back, we saw what the Target chair was at the beginning part of last season. I hope Kelsey maybe benefits from this because of some, you know, easier matchups from the standpoint. Easier coverage from the standpoint of, you know, now the Chiefs are very difficult to defend, but if you can maximize this, like if you could turn Kelsey into a Bowers type of situation, that's an easy move to make for me. So, yeah, these two guys I think headed for some, some downturn, whether it's eventual for Vidal or immediate for Kelsey. All right.

[Adam]

And Heath, your buy low or your cell highs. Pardon me, are the, you know, the one I see so many questions about. I'm really glad we're about to talk about him. Rico Dowdle and DK Metcalf who is playing on Thursday. But Rico Dowdle and DK Metcalf, what are your thoughts on those two?

[Dave]

I don't think we know for sure who's going to be the, the best running back in Carolina when Chuba Hubbard gets back. What I don't think is going to happen is that Chuba Hubbard just going to go away. I would not be surprised if we've got maybe a, you get a series, you get a series situation for a while. But I think both these guys are going to be involved. Rico Dowdle has been so incredible that his role has to be bigger than it was before Chuba got hurt. But also it was the Dolphins and the Cowboys. So we do have to put a little bit of an asterisk on it. And I, I think when you it's so hard to even evaluate watching the film from the last two weeks because the Dolphins and Cowboys linebackers were so awful and like the Panthers look like the greatest run blocking team in the history of the NFL and so a lot of that's opponent. So like you that trade you had earlier where it was Rico Dowdle and Chris Olave for BUCKY Irving, I would 100 do that.

[Adam]

You on what side? You would take the Bucky side?

[Dave]

I would take the Bucky side. I also think that DeAndre Swift for Chris Olave is probably a little bit much and that kind of gives you an idea of where I'm at on Rigo Dowel.

[Adam]

DeAndre Swift for.

[Dave]

Either Swift or Doubt in that deal.

[Adam]

So you're saying you all like, you like Swift significantly more than Dowdle?

[Dave]

I like Swift more than Dell, yes.

[Heath]

Okay. Yeah.

[Adam]

Let's see. I'm curious in the chat if you've got any Rico Dowdle trades that you want to bring up because he is so interesting but is he even Going to be an RB2. You know, is he going to be like Kenneth Gainwell when. Or Jalen Warren, which still, you know, isn't good, Isn't great. When Chuba Hub 2s this week?

[Heath]

Well, I. I think, you know, Dave sort of brought this up on the other side of this. Like, when you're trading four injured players, there's the risk involved of what they're going to be like when they come back. When you're trading for these replacement guys, you're clearly hoping that they're going to be the starter or the. The lead guy for an extended stretch. And there's an unknown like you could trade for Rico Dottle. Right now, we don't know how long Chuba Hubbard's out. Like, they haven't given us a timetable. Yeah, you may get another month of this, right?

[Adam]

I mean, when they don't put a guy on ir, I always tend to think they're coming back fairly soon. But. But sometimes they wait and they go, you know what? We have to put him on IR and then he's out for four more weeks. All right, I've got some trades here in the chat.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

This one, I don't even know how you pulled this off. Rico and Juwan Jennings for James Cook.

[Jamie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Heath]

But this is, again, like, the James Cook manager may be desperate for a win, right?

[Adam]

But Juwan Jennings, you got to get a better number.

[Heath]

I agree. And I think the biggest thing, what I see all the time with trades is I got this offer. Should I take it? Okay, did you make any offers?

[Adam]

Like, you're saying, try to do better.

[Heath]

Shop the player. Like, if somebody comes to you, James Cooking, like, oh, yeah, I should consider this. Let me go ask the guys on fft. I'll post it in the chat. Like, did you send out to your league? Hey, James Cook's available.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah, you got to do that.

[Heath]

You gotta do.

[Adam]

That's how I got it.

[Heath]

Sometimes it's okay to be transparent.

[Adam]

That's how I got my Kyron and Nico COLLINS For Christian McCaffrey. I never would have even proposed that, but I said, not. That was such a ripoff. I mean, McCaffrey's like 10 points better than Kyren every week. But I said, hey, Anybody want Christian McCaffrey? Make me your offers. You're 100% right. You have to do that, Ryan.

[Jamie]

At the same time, if. If you're just sitting around in your house and you get a notification on your phone saying that somebody's offered you Rico Dowdle and Juwan Jennings for James Cook. Yeah, I'm not gonna go to the, you know, the Bichon Robinson owner and say, hey, I just got this offer for Cook. Would you want to give me Bijan for Dowdle and J. You'll get spit on. So I, I think you just immediately accept a slam dunk deal when you get the notification.

[Adam]

But to be clear, the slam dunk side is the James Cook side of that.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no question. But I, you do have to at least acknowledge, like if you trust your eyes, Rico Dowdle has looked good, the numbers notwithstanding. Yeah. He ran it up against two bad defenses. I, I don't know if I would trust him if he's going up against or when he goes up against the toughest run defenses in the league. But he, he has to have shown the Panthers coaching staff enough. Chuba has not been a great runner this year. We saw that from the get go.

[Heath]

I bet.

[Jamie]

We see Rico Dowdle lead the way.

[Heath]

But Heath's right.

[Jamie]

You're going to see Chuba take some work.

[Adam]

All right, a few more. Rico Dowdle trades Rico for Matthew Golden.

[Jamie]

No, I'd rather have Rico.

[Dave]

That's.

[Heath]

I.

[Jamie]

Go ahead.

[Dave]

No, that's not enough. But I think there's like a 48 chance that Matthew Golden's better than Rico Dallas season.

[Adam]

All right, how about rico for Terry McLaurin?

[Jamie]

That's close.

[Heath]

It's a good buy. Low opportunity, but I would probably still want more at this point.

[Dave]

I dame higher, but Yeah, I think 49 chance that Terry's better.

[Heath]

Wow. So McLaren only 1% chance better than golden recipes.

[Dave]

I'm pretty encouraged by Matthew Golden.

[Heath]

We'll see when Watson.

[Jamie]

I just recently had more targets.

[Adam]

I'm not worried about Watson so much. I'm worried about Jaden Reed coming back.

[Heath]

Well, it's both, but I mean, Watson could play this week and then read in a couple weeks.

[Adam]

Oh boy. I think Jamie's gonna love this next trade. This is a Jamie type of trade. Just my gut. Rico and Harold Fannin Jr. For George Kittle.

[Heath]

It's perfect.

[Adam]

I. But we should, I think maybe be a little bit worried about Kittle if everyone's coming back too, right?

[Heath]

No, not because everyone's as much as they're throwing the ball. This is the dream situation for George Kittle. It is.

[Dave]

I, I would be a little bit worried about a 32 year old coming off of a hamstring injury on a team where everybody just continually gets hurt.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Heath]

I, I would imagine that's probably why they let him take an extra week or so. Like this is one of those situations, Adam, where IR + right?

[Adam]

IR + oh.

[Heath]

I mean, he didn't come back his first time when he was.

[Adam]

He didn't.

[Dave]

I thought he.

[Heath]

No. Last week was four weeks. Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

In week one, you're right. Three, four, five. Was. Was supposed to be out six back now. They waited next week.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

All right, well, let's take a break. We'll talk about DK Metcalf momentarily. It was the other buy or sell high for Heath, so we'll talk about him when we talk about Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. Queue up the music. We'll be right back.

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[Adam]

Thursday Night Football Pittsburgh's at Cincinnati side of the game number one. Heath made a quick remark about how maybe both Steelers running backs could be RB2s this week. The Bengals have allowed 16.7 or more PPR fantasy points to a running back in every game. And they've allowed 11 and a half or more to multiple running backs in the same game three times. So they that is good for the running backs for the Steelers. You like Warren more than Gain Well.

[Heath]

I assume I'm doing something I very, very rarely do. Okay, making the start of the week on a Thursday again.

[Adam]

Jalen Warren. Wow, let's go. And you know, the other, he didn't have the targets last week, but he ran the same amount of routes. They split third downs evenly. Warren, Gainwell. So there's no reason why he can't get the targets this week. So let's talk about it. Jamie, who would you start Jalen Warren over?

[Heath]

I have to probably readjust my rankings, but he'll be right around RB15, 16 in that range. I just think that there's such a great opportunity here. And look, when you start to try and figure out who's the right players for this category, the number to the right of the second list there is 54, you know, so I, I, I have to be somewhat in a range when I choose these players. And he qualifies because like saying quinch on Judkins is the start of the week is, is not exactly an easy way to, you know, to help people. There was some concern last week about what he would do and how he would perform and who would be the lead guy. And I think he still is the lead guy, even by a smaller margin than it was prior to the week four injury. But I think just the setup is great. You know, the Bengals run defense has not been good. This is an opportunity for the Steelers even on the road to, I think, play with the lead and he should have a chance to, you know, get some carries late in the game. Maybe that goes to Caleb Johnson. I'd be surprised at this point, but with what Gainwell will do on passing down situations, that will somewhat impact the, the upside of Jalen Warren. But this could be his best game to date, and I'm excited to use them.

[Jamie]

I'd be shocked if Caleb Johnson hadn't run unless it was just a blowout situation because he's clearly just the slowest to react. Of the three running backs that they use, Warren and Gainwell both looked okay last week. Warren had a much better rushing average against Cleveland for what it's worth. Showed a lot of physicality. I like that out of Jalen Warren. That's something that we've seen flashes of from him before. As for running backs that I would start him over. Give me Jalen Warren over Jordan Mason. Give me Jaylen Warren over Vidal Montgomery. I've got him over Kenneth Walker in full ppr. I just, it's, it's really a great matchup and I think that he could End up having maybe his best game of the year.

[Adam]

Got some chat questions on Jalen Warren. Would you start Jalen Warren over Teteroa McMillan going up against Sauce Gardner?

[Dave]

I would not. I would.

[Jamie]

They're close, but if McMillan a little higher.

[Heath]

What was the question?

[Adam]

I'm sorry, Warren or Tettero? McMillan up against Sauce Gardner.

[Heath]

Oh, Warren.

[Jamie]

Warren.

[Adam]

Or would you start Warren over Rasheed Rice and. Or Rashad White?

[Heath]

I would not.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Mike Evans, if he plays. Or Jalen Warren. Let's say we know by Thursday that Evans is playing. Who would you start?

[Jamie]

I think I'd lean Warren.

[Heath]

I might lean Warren just from the safe standpoint of how many snaps does Mike Evans play? But you really want pieces of that Bucks Lions game?

[Dave]

Yeah, I'd probably go Evans.

[Heath]

Okay. And.

[Adam]

All right, so Jalen Warren is someone we're excited about this week. Kenneth Gainwell flex.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'd start him over Chase Brown.

[Adam]

Ooh, Steelers defense, by the way, since week three. They struggled their first two games since week three. That's only three games for them. Their third best in yards per play. Defensively, they've been pretty good. So. All right, you start over Chase Gainwell or Chase Brown? For Jamie and for Jamie and Dave.

[Heath]

I have to reconsider it, but right now it's Brown. All right.

[Adam]

But it tells you kind of where we're at with Chase Brown.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam]

It's just not.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's gross. Pretty much every player that we mentioned when we were comparing to Jalen Warren, you'd start over Chase Brown. And I looked up the wrong Warren. I've got Tyler Warren over Mike Evans. I have Mike Evans over Jalen Warren.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Heath]

And.

[Dave]

And you remember Chase Brown, like, the. The key to success last year, and he. This is why he probably should have been in the dead zone was that he played over 80 of the snaps almost every week. He played over 70% of the snaps the first three weeks. He's played 53% of the snaps the last two weeks.

[Adam]

Oh, on a lousy offense.

[Dave]

I mean, it was a lousy offense, playing half the snaps and running inefficiently.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay, so let's talk about Aaron Rodgers here. And he, based on Yesterday's rankings, was 11th for Jamie, 15th for Dave, 16th for Heath. These rankings will change a little bit, especially the Tuesday ones. Finally threw the ball downfield a little bit last week, but, yeah, I season your top 12. Jamie, is he still in your top 12? Yeah, it's just the matchup. They give up the eighth most fantasy points to quarterbacks fifth most yards per attempt.

[Heath]

Exactly.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I mean look, he's, he's coming off a game where he played well against one of the toughest defenses in football. I think he's playing well enough right now. It. I'll go back to what I said on Tuesday. Like this is a poor man, Sam Darnold, where the production hasn't necessarily matched the play where Donald was in that stretch of 18 to 20 points per game and then he blew up. I don't expect Roger to do that. So again, not the best comparison. But you get the point of a guy who's just playing well in reality and hopefully the fantasy points start to translate. So looking at the quarterbacks this week, I think the matchup warrants him being a low end starter. I don't expect more than 22, 23 fantasy points. So for me, I would start him over. Sam Darnold. I don't like the Darnold matchup this week against the Texans. So I think Roger's in a better spot taking on the Bengals.

[Dave]

I, I think the Darnold one's really interesting because like you look at their opportunities and it's very similar. More game like 30 or fewer pass attempts and all but one game for Rogers. I think it's all but two games for Darnold. Neither one of them runs at all. The thing I worry about with Rogers is the Bengals are so bad that he just doesn't have to throw that many passes. Yeah, but that's the thing you always worry about with Sam Darnold too. I don't. Neither one of them are top 12 quarterbacks for me, but I would start Rogers over Darnold as well.

[Jamie]

Have we feared one sided game scripts each of the last two Thursday night games and then not gotten it and said we got like competitive fun games. Yeah, like I think there's some, I, I think there's some potential. I know the Sealers defense has gotten better. I'm not trying to poo poo them, but I think there is some potential for Cincinnati to hang around in this game and that does lend some upside to Aaron Rodgers because he might have to throw more than 25 times.

[Adam]

Okay, so DK Metcalf, Heath, you want to talk about him? He was on your sell high list. But first of all, for this week and rest of season, DK Metcalf.

[Dave]

Yeah, you can, you can wait one more week to sell high if you want. He was. I told you I struggled to come up with names and he was the, the last guy I threw on the list, he's. He's a must start wide receiver in this game. I think rest of season he's probably more of a low end wide receiver too. And he's scored over 40 fantasy points in his last two games. So if he does it again this week, maybe you can really sell him high. But I think wide receiver 11 for me this week. Don't even think about it. Yeah, probably wide receiver 20 rest of season.

[Jamie]

I don't know if you said this. Two top 10 PPR finishes in a row for DK Metcalf and now it's Cincinnati.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So this could be three. I'd really like this call too.

[Adam]

Okay. On the other side of the ball, you know, you've got Chase Brown is kind of a borderline flex. RB2. We're not going to start Joe Flacco. I did want to mention with Pittsburgh, completely useless stat of the game, but it's interesting. Darnell Washington has had a route participation rate over 60% two straight games that had never happened before in his career. They're starting to use Darnell Washington more in the passing game.

[Heath]

It is weird.

[Dave]

Arthur Smith.

[Jamie]

Well, it's Mike. Mike Tomlins talked about that. He says that he likes to use him more in matchups against 4, 3 defenses because the linemen are bigger and Washington's a big boy himself. Yeah. So he does his fair share of blocking as well, but yeah, he'll run some routes too. Bengals are a 43 defense, so if you're looking for, let's call it 5 to 7 PPR points from a tight end, Washington's in play.

[Adam]

Okay. Jamar Chase is a must start. T. Higgins, who do you like, rank T. Higgins with the running backs in this game? Jamie?

[Heath]

I would play T. Higgins over everybody but Jalen Warren.

[Adam]

Okay. I mean, that's really the question, right? So T guys T. Higgins or Jalen Warren?

[Jamie]

I have Jalen Warren. I have the right Warren this time a little bit higher than T. Higgins. I've got a gross stat on T. Higgins.

[Dave]

It's not hard to find.

[Adam]

Yeah, I have a great stat on T. Higgins. He had an almost touchdown last week. Came about a half a yard short. What's the gross stat?

[Jamie]

Over his entire career of not playing with Joe burrow, he has one game with more than 11.2 PPR points where Jamar Chase also played.

[Adam]

Hey, yeah, no good.

[Jamie]

Now, there haven't been a lot of these games because Joe Burrow, you know, he's missed plenty of time. And the whole first year of T. Higgins career, there was no Jamar Chase around. But I, he really just, unless there's a ton of target volume and maybe there is because Thursday night wackiness, that stuff can happen. I think it's really tough to expect, and obviously it's really tough to expect big numbers from T. Higgins at this point.

[Heath]

Not, not to Azer stat that. But he has two of those already this season.

[Jamie]

No, he has two with 11. I'm saying more than 11.

[Heath]

What do you have last week?

[Jamie]

11.2.

[Adam]

Okay, so 11.2, right?

[Jamie]

I, I, he might be able to get like 11.8.

[Adam]

Yeah, I, I don't know. I mean, look, Flacco, I thought he looked, you know, good enough.

[Jamie]

I agree. And it's an upgrade.

[Adam]

I was kind of, I was kind of encouraged for Higgins by, by what I saw. But, you know, it's a week to week thing and right now the Steelers are healthy and they're playing really well defensively.

[Dave]

I, I just think we need to put it in the right context. Like encouraged for Higgins should mean I'm not dropping him. And if I have to start him as a wide receiver three, I guess that's okay.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Like, no, I'd be excited to start him as a wide receiver 3.

[Dave]

We just continue to expect T. Higgins to be better than he's ever been without Joe Burrow and with Jamar Chase, just every, every like 11.2 is.

[Jamie]

I remember the games earlier this year were 11. I would have eaten my vegetables for 11.2 from T. Higgins.

[Heath]

Right.

[Dave]

But 11.2 if out of your wide receiver three, I guess is fine. But it's a low end wide receiver too.

[Adam]

You just can't connect your three.

[Dave]

Yeah. What?

[Adam]

He can't connect on a deep ball. He has one catch on eight targets of 20 or more air yards one.

[Jamie]

And also, I don't know if you've noticed, but there are a lot of wide receivers missing from NFL teams that we would normally count on, and that's kind of pushed up these mediocre performing players. Like, T. Higgins has been.

[Adam]

All right, guys, I gotta wrap up here. Sorry, go ahead, last point.

[Dave]

No, I, I would just say I, I feel that way about A.J. brown because I feel like he's been mediocre performing.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but he's a megastar compared to T. Higgins at this point.

[Dave]

Right. Like, I, not really. I feel like I'm pushing T. Higgins up to get into my top 36.

[Adam]

All right, I'll read some quick questions here. Daniel Jones or Aaron Rodgers?

[Heath]

Jones.

[Jamie]

I believe I have Jones Higher.

[Adam]

Rogers or Stafford. Jamie, I think answered this one, but Rogers.

[Jamie]

I've got Stafford one notch.

[Dave]

Stafford. And I've got. I've got Jones ahead of Rogers. Also very close.

[Adam]

Flacco or Bonix next. Nick's Rogers. Dart or Darnold?

[Heath]

Rogers for me.

[Adam]

Rogers, Darnold, Chase Brown or Rico Dowdle?

[Jamie]

Rico.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Rico by a lot.

[Adam]

Rest of season. Chase Brown or Rico Dowdle?

[Jamie]

Rico.

[Dave]

It's probably Rico.

[Heath]

Rico.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right, that's it for. Oh, Steelers. DST is top three. They have 17 sacks in their last three games. And that is it for Thursday night football. I'm gonna have to skip around a little bit here to different segments. Let's go to the worryometer. Okay, so I asked the people on Twix, which is Twitter and X combined. Thank you, Dave. Good nickname last year. It's getting old, but I'm gonna keep using it. Worryometer, who are you worried about? And cigars and bourbon bars. Said, I'm worried about both Travion Henderson and Chase Brown. So where are we? 0 to 10. 0. Is not worried at all. He's great. Stardom. 10 is probably want to drop this guy now. Pretend as I'm super worried. I hate him. Travion Henderson, 0 to 10.

[Dave]

5 6.

[Adam]

Chase Brown 75.

[Heath]

9.

[Jamie]

Yeah, very worried.

[Heath]

But I don't.

[Jamie]

I don't want to drop.

[Adam]

No, no, it's not a drop. So who would you rather have rest of season? Travion Henderson or Chase Brown?

[Jamie]

Right. We're doing wariometer, not dropometer.

[Adam]

Correct. It's.

[Jamie]

It's Brown.

[Heath]

As of now, I probably would take the chance on Henderson with the hope that they finally let him loose.

[Dave]

Yeah, Henderson.

[Jamie]

It's been two months, man.

[Adam]

Yeah. What was I gonna say?

[Dave]

There's been a. I mean, it's been a month and a week or two month and two weeks. But there's a lot of rookie running backs that are bad for six weeks that are good in the second half.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's true. Okay.

[Jamie]

Was one of those guys.

[Adam]

No, he was a.

[Jamie]

Last year.

[Adam]

He was a second year back, wasn't he?

[Jamie]

Oh, he's right, right, right. Sure. Bucky was one of those guys.

[Adam]

All right. This one is from bon.me says worryometer. By the way, David, it's worryometer and drop o meter. Come on.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

Worryometer.

[Jamie]

I know what they're called and pronoun.

[Adam]

They're pronounced worryometer@saquon barkley4.

[Heath]

I mean, it's. It's a zero compared to the field. It's a six compared to what his Expectations were.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm. I might be at 6 on the Eagles period in terms of just fantasy offense. So 6.

[Adam]

Is there a bigger storyline in fantasy right now than the Eagles?

[Dave]

You know, and there have been some pretty good breakdowns. Yeah. He's go on of just like the Eagles offense and the like what they are putting out there in terms of plays right now. And we had this a couple years ago with the Eagles.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And it's just.

[Heath]

It's.

[Dave]

It's gross and it's ugly right now. It's hard to have this much success and keep having to replace your coordinators.

[Adam]

Right.

[Heath]

I think there's a great situation that whenever Barkley has that breakout game, you.

[Adam]

Trade him at the same time, he scored more than 17 fantasy points in four of six games, you know, so. Yep, he's been. He's been solid, but obviously disappointing.

[Jamie]

Just hasn't been top five solid. Five overall pick solid.

[Adam]

Frustrating is like, I just don't get it with A.J. brown because you cannot say, well, he's not getting targeted because he is. It's just you saw like two years ago, they struggled two years ago A.J. brown. They did.

[Jamie]

A.J.

[Adam]

Brown had almost 1500 yards and seven touchdowns two years ago. You know, so I just don't get like he's not doing enough with his targets. All right. From Alex Woriometer is a good one here.

[Jamie]

I don't know how much of that is on A.J. brown, though.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer. But Wariometer on Xavier Worthy.

[Heath]

3.

[Jamie]

Yeah. 2 or 3.

[Adam]

I'm a little higher than that.

[Dave]

5.

[Jamie]

You're still gonna flex them for sure, right?

[Adam]

I was hoping for more. I wish they would stop throwing to Marquis. I don't know what they will. We'll see. But stop throwing to like Marquis Brown and Juju, Ms. Schuster and Taekwond Thornton. Just throw to three.

[Heath]

We're entering a world of your favorite shirt.

[Jamie]

A place where we've gone where slowly.

[Heath]

Go where no one.

[Adam]

What is my favorite shirt? Yeah, Heath.

[Dave]

The Star Trek shirt.

[Adam]

Yeah. No, I know. Well.

[Dave]

No, I just. I think what use all those names you said could be a problem, especially if Rashi Rice comes back and has the same target share, which everyone seems to assume that he will. That he had the first three games last year and now there's also three other NFL quality wide receivers on the team. And Travis Kelsey is much more efficient than he was last year with his targets. It. It's concerning you. JB Worthy might just be a boom bus Number three, wide receiver and Rashi Rice.

[Adam]

I mean, again, we're just assuming he's going to come back and get all these targets. But what if he doesn't?

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm not necessarily assuming that. I've got him as a low end. Number two this week.

[Adam]

Okay. Rashid Rice is back this week. Rest of season. Would you rather have Rashi Rice or Garrett Wilson?

[Jamie]

Rice.

[Heath]

Rice.

[Adam]

They'll get harder as we go along.

[Jamie]

Well, then the. You have to throw out the rice because you don't want it too hard.

[Adam]

You can't. I. Reheating rice is such an issue, isn't it? Rashi Rice or problem with it? You have to do it separately. If you have a rice and chicken on the same plate, you. You have to do them separately.

[Heath]

They.

[Adam]

They don't reheat at the same.

[Dave]

No, I just throw the. The rice and the beans and the chicken in there and heat it for about a minute and a half and.

[Adam]

Minute and a half. Geez, you gotta let that stand for five minutes afterwards. It's super hot. Heath, we gotta talk about this after the show, but Rashid Rice or Nico Collins?

[Heath]

Nico.

[Jamie]

I think I have Nico higher.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think.

[Jamie]

I'm almost sure I have Nico higher.

[Adam]

She Rice or Cortland Sutton?

[Jamie]

Bryce Rice.

[Dave]

I push.

[Adam]

Okay. I'm not wrong about this. You know, someone says I'm wrong on everything. I get, you know, typical, you know, sesame chicken with rice, something like that. When I heat it up, the chicken gets. I think it's the chicken that gets hot faster than the rice, maybe the vice versa. But I feel like I have to do them separately anyway.

[Heath]

The chicken gets hotter than the rice.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Right. You got to do it separate. All right. Thank you.

[Heath]

Jb.

[Adam]

You're the. You're the man now, dog. Tony Pollard on the worryometer. That's a big one.

[Jamie]

Ten.

[Adam]

How does that.

[Dave]

How does that feel, Jamie? How does that feel to, like. Adam tell you you're the man now, dog on one of his wild takes? Like you're on Adam's side?

[Heath]

I would say that that compliment is equivalent to me saying that Adam's favorite shirt is Star Trek.

[Adam]

Tony Pollard is. We are quite worried about Tony Pollard. So we'll go to the last one here from Josh Worryometer on Keenan Allen and Jacori Crosby Merit if he struggles again.

[Heath]

Alec Thomas's comment is perfect for you.

[Adam]

Adam gonna dirty, like, three. Three dishes just to reheat leftovers. No. So what I would do is you have your container with your sesame chicken and rice. You just take the chicken first, reheat it. Then you could put it back in the container. And then you take the rice, put it on that plate and heat that. And now you're good to go. Then you combine the two. Is one with twice. No, I'm heating the chicken. I'm putting it back in the container. Then I'm taking the rice, I'm heating the rice. And then the rice is already on the plate. It's nice and hot. Now I take the chicken, throw it on the plate. So it's one plate, two heating sessions, and we're good to go.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't you just reheat the rice in the container?

[Adam]

No, no. I never ever reheat plastic. Don't. Please don't ever reheat plastic. People don't dishwash plastic. Don't reheat. Plastic is really bad for you. Don't do it.

[Dave]

What about plastic that says microwave?

[Adam]

Dishwasher safe. It's a trap. When I. When my kids. When my first. When my first kid was born seven years ago, the. I don't remember the name of the association, like American Pediatrics association or something like that, came out and said, do not put plastic bottles in the dishwasher. And from that point on, we were glass bottles all the way. And I do not ever heat up plastic. It is a bad idea. You know about microplastics and things like that. Don't do it. All right. It's a little PSA worry saving lives today. Trying worryometer on Keenan Allen.

[Heath]

2.

[Jamie]

I'm fairly worried, but I put it like at a 6.

[Adam]

3 worryometer on Jakori Crosby.

[Heath]

Merit zero.

[Jamie]

Right now it's zero.

[Heath]

Zero.

[Adam]

Okay, let's grade the trade. These are some emails from our audience from Dirk. Give up Nico Collins and Brian Thomas Jr. All right, big one here. Give up Nico and BTJ. Get Pukinakua, Terry McLaurin and Kamani Vidal.

[Dave]

A plus.

[Jamie]

I love it. Really?

[Heath]

Okay. B minus.

[Adam]

Puk is the best player in the deal. Do you feel like Nico and Brian Thomas Jr. Are the next two best players in the deal? And then McLaren of Ideal.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

All right, trade from Julian. 10 team, full PPR. Should I trade again?

[Heath]

Just. Just with the injury concern, like, we don't know if he's back after their bye week.

[Dave]

Puka.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Adam]

It's always risky to trade for injured players. And you're trading for two of them in that deal with McLaurin too, right?

[Jamie]

Under the assumption that he's back after their buy. It's a great deal.

[Adam]

All Right. This is from Julian 10 team PPR. Should I trade Pickens and Swift for Justin Jefferson?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I like it. It's a little bit of an overpay, but I like it.

[Adam]

All right. Let's maybe not forget how bad Jefferson was with McCarthy. Now remember, McCarthy only threw like 42 passes in the two games. But. All right.

[Dave]

And. And I think it's also like I was thinking about this watching the Falcons against the bills. Like J.J. mcCarthy's performance against the Falcons defense doesn't look as bad as it did after week two. We just assumed JJ McCarthy was bad because of that Falcons past defense. At some point we have to accept that they are good at limiting past production somehow.

[Adam]

No.

[Jamie]

And what happened against Carolina?

[Adam]

I thought you were going to say.

[Dave]

I have no idea.

[Heath]

I mean, the.

[Jamie]

The defense scored in that game, right? That's true. Panthers defense scored a lot in that game.

[Adam]

I thought you were going to say the Pennix, you know, versus Carolina. We were like, oh, they're going to bench Pennix and we got to let these young guys struggle a little bit. Right. All right. From.

[Heath]

Wait.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah.

[Heath]

From.

[Adam]

From David in Chattanooga. Should I trade Rico Dowdle and Dallas Goddard for Trey McBride?

[Jamie]

If you can, with haste.

[Adam]

It's a great trade from Jimmy. Give up Michael Carter and Jamar Chase. Get Josh Allen and either Ameka Abuka or Jordan Addison.

[Heath]

If you really need a quarterback, his.

[Adam]

Quarterback is Bo Nix.

[Dave]

Huh?

[Adam]

His quarterback is Bone.

[Heath]

I'd rather have Bo Nixon, Jamar Chase than Josh Allen and Jordan.

[Jamie]

Yeah. You can't do it for Addison and we don't. Do we know how long a book is going to be out for?

[Adam]

No, I don't see anything.

[Jamie]

We might learn that this week.

[Adam]

All right, last one is from Josh. I was offered Breeze hall and Rashi Rice for Nico Collins and Rico Dowdle. Give up Nico and Dowdle for Bree hall and Rashee Rice.

[Jamie]

I take that deal.

[Dave]

I like it.

[Jamie]

To get Bree and rice.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Oh, I got some in the chat from Dave. Give up James Cook and Rashi Rice. Oh, wait, no. Yeah, I think he left the letter F out there. James Cook and Rashi rice for Christian McCaffrey and Tet McMillan. DPR.

[Heath]

I would do it for McCaffrey.

[Jamie]

I think I like the Cook Rice side better.

[Adam]

Dave, I just told you how to cook rice.

[Heath]

That's the only reason you chose that.

[Adam]

He's. What say you cooking rice or McCaffrey and McMillan?

[Dave]

I think I like the cooking rice side better.

[Adam]

Jamie. He wants Jamie's advice on this. Fine. Traded Cortland Sutton and Woody Marks for James Cook.

[Heath]

It's fine.

[Adam]

Rashee Rice and Cortland Sutton for Amanra St. Brown.

[Jamie]

It feels like an overpay.

[Adam]

I'm a no.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I'm a no on this.

[Dave]

I like it a lot. In a 10 team like shallower league, the better the trade is.

[Heath]

Yep. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right. Well, we learned a lot today. We learned about reheating today and about.

[Heath]

Trades and your fear of plastic.

[Adam]

I do not mess around with plastic. First of all, we're all screwed. We eat plastic microplastics like they're in everything. But don't heat up plastic. Okay, Heath, you gotta listen to me once in a while.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm just. My only disclaimer for this podcast is that Adam is not a certified expert in any of the things that he makes proclamations about.

[Siya Najad]

So it's including fantasy football ball.

[Adam]

Let's start right there. Yes, I have glass Tupperware. Yes, the Tyrex, you know. Okay, see you later, everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow with starter sit for the AFC home games.

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