Divisional Round Winners/Losers, 2025 Thoughts, Superlative Winners! (01/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Football Today – Divisional Round Winners/Losers, 2025 Thoughts, Superlative Winners!

Episode Information:

• Title: Divisional Round Winners/Losers, 2025 Thoughts, Superlative Winners! (01/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)
• Release Date: January 20, 2025
• Hosts/Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, Dan, and Jimmy Conrad

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1. Introduction and Weekend Recap

The episode kicks off with Adam Aizer expressing his excitement about the commencement of the NFL season after an extended preseason. The hosts, including Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings, engage in light-hearted banter before diving into the weekend's football action.

Notable Quote:

• Adam (01:38): "I'm just so excited that football season's finally here. That was the longest preseason ever. The real season's finally here."

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2. Divisional Round Recap: Winners and Losers

The hosts review the outcomes of the Divisional Round games, highlighting key performances and unexpected results. They discuss scores such as Buffalo defeating Baltimore 27-25, Eagles beating Rams 28-22, Washington overcoming Lions 45-31, and Kansas City besting the Texans 23-14.

Notable Highlights:

• Heath's Performance: The conversation touches upon Heath's contributions, with Adam cautioning listeners not to say anything mean to him to avoid penalties for "unnecessary roughness" (01:38).
• Commanders vs. Chiefs: Dave Richard debates the Commanders' potential, drawing parallels to the 2007 Giants, and considers the impact of Jalen Hurts playing through injury (03:00).

Notable Quotes:

• Dave (02:42): "Chief Seagulls."
• Jamie (03:26): "So are you saying that Jaden Daniels will be Eli Manning to Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady?"

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3. Fantasy Football Winners and Losers Analysis

The panel delves into the standout performers and busts from the weekend's games, analyzing their fantasy football implications.

Fantasy Winners:

• Sam Laporta: Despite a rough start for the Lions' tight ends, Laporta emerges as a reliable fantasy asset with a strong playoff performance.

  • Jamie (06:27): "Sam Laporta... clearly was a rough start for him in the 2024 campaign for the number one or top three tight ends that were drafted."

• Isaiah Likely: Discussed as a potential high-round pick if he continues to perform, especially if the Ravens bolster their receiving corps.

  • Dan (08:13): "How about Isaiah likely is someone that will likely get picked within the first... a late rounder."

• Joe Mixon: Transitioned from a running back narrative to a top-tier tight end consideration due to his playoff performance.

  • Adam (11:11): "Joe Mixon... he did not just completely break down and wear down based on usage."

Fantasy Losers:

• C.J. Stroud: Underperformed with no passing touchdowns and limited rushing contributions, positioning him as a QB2 or draft in later rounds.

  • Adam (13:08): "C.J. Stroud... was a QB2 at best. Double digit rounds."

• Amari Cooper & DeAndre Hopkins: Long-standing wide receivers failed to deliver significant fantasy points, leading to skepticism about their future draft value.

  • Jamie (14:05): "I'd be surprised if Hopkins gets drafted next year."

Notable Quotes:

• Adam (06:27): "Laporta... is just a great catch, by the way, in the, in the end zone there for the Lions."
• Dave (09:26): "I have no interest in Isaiah likely because he's going to have as many 2 point games as 15 point."

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4. Player Evaluations and Draft Strategies

The discussion shifts to draft strategies, particularly focusing on tight ends and running backs.

Tight Ends: Sam Laporta vs. Jameson Williams

• Jamie Eisenberg advocates for drafting Laporta over Williams due to Laporta’s consistent target distribution and touchdown potential.

  • Jamie (30:07): "Laporta could be the number one tight end again... he has done that yet."

• Dave Richard emphasizes the reliability of Laporta's end zone targets compared to Williams' sporadic long-yardage touchdowns.

  • Dave (31:43): "Jameson Williams... his touchdowns came from three yards out... you can't repeat that production."

Running Backs: Kyron Williams Outlook

• Dan positions Kyron Williams as a positive pick, projecting him between 13th to 20th in fantasy rankings due to his volume.

  • Dan (34:17): "Kyron Williams outlook. Positive. He has been the main back for the Rams... someone that should be anywhere literally from like 13th to 20th."

• Dave expresses concerns over Williams' efficiency despite high volume, discussing his reduced yards per carry.

  • Dave (35:22): "He just wasn't that dynamic with it... a major drop in efficiency."

Notable Quotes:

• Jamie (29:36): "I think the case for Laporta is, is he's on a great offense and gets the targets that you need for touchdowns."
• Adam (28:14): "Another thing, like the guys who actually did average 19 fantasy points per game, Alvin Kamara is going to be 30..."

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5. Fantasy Superlatives

The hosts announce and discuss various fantasy football superlatives based on the season’s performances.

Fantasy MVP: Jamar Chase

• Jamar Chase clinches the MVP title with an impressive average of 23.7 PPR points per game.
  • Dave (48:39): "It is Jamar Chase. Congratulations, Jamar Chase."

Biggest Bust: Travis Etienne

• Travis Etienne is named the biggest fantasy bust due to underwhelming performance despite high expectations.
  • Dave (48:39): "The biggest bust was Marvin Harrison Jr. Travis EtN, Tyreek Hill or Breeze Hall. I voted for Travis Etn."

Rookie of the Year: Jaden Daniels

• Jaden Daniels wins Rookie of the Year, defeating other contenders like Malik Neighbors and Brock Bowers.
  • Dave (50:19): "Jaden Daniels won at 47."

Comeback Player of the Year: Sam Darnold

• Sam Darnold is recognized for overcoming previous setbacks to deliver a strong fantasy season.
  • Dave (51:03): "Congratulations, Sam Darnold. Fantasy comeback player of the year."

Best Waiver Wire Pickup: Bucky Irving

• Bucky Irving secures the best waiver wire pickup title with 68% of the vote, surpassing options like Baker Mayfield and John Smith.
  • Dave (52:35): "Bucky Irving is our best waiver wire pickup of the season."

Notable Quotes:

• Jamie (48:44): "I think the clearly correct answer is Jamar Chase."
• Dave (52:27): "Bucky Irving, 68%. So Bucky Irving is our best waiver wire pickup of the season."

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6. Zay Flowers vs. Lad McConkey Discussion

A spirited debate unfolds over the potential of Zay Flowers compared to Lad McConkey, weighing their performances and future prospects within their respective offenses.

Key Points:

• Zay Flowers: Demonstrated strong target distribution but lacked touchdowns, leading to mixed sentiments among voters.

  • Dave (43:14): "Flowers had 116 targets... he's so good that okay, he's a good player."

• Lad McConkey: Viewed as a better draft option due to his role as the primary receiver on the Chargers and more consistent target volume.

  • Jamie (47:29): "McConkey is clearly the best receiving option on the Chargers..."

Notable Quotes:

• Adam (47:42): "But if your point is talent wise, I think Zay Flowers can be as good as Vlad McConkey in that offense."
• Jamie (47:42): "That I would completely disagree with."
• Dave (45:27): "Do you think... what’s the difference between him and Lad McConkey?"

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7. Upcoming Topics and Conclusion

The episode wraps up with a preview of upcoming topics, including discussions on championship games and fantasy cops, as well as technical changes to the podcast's visual elements.

Notable Remarks:

• Adam (53:50): "On Wednesday, we will be back with the top 12 tight ends and we'll do some fantasy cops and read some emails."
• Jamie (54:24): "Yes."

Closing Banter: The hosts share light-hearted comments about updating their draft boards and personal plans, maintaining the show's engaging and friendly atmosphere until the final sign-off.

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Final Thoughts: This episode of Fantasy Football Today offers an in-depth analysis of the Divisional Round games, evaluates fantasy football performances, and provides strategic insights for upcoming drafts. The lively discussions and expert opinions make it a valuable resource for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to enhance their league performances.

Listeners are encouraged to tune in next Wednesday for more expert analysis, including top tight end rankings and championship game discussions.

Transcript

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[Adam]

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports.

[Dave]

Wanna play? Can you believe this?

[Heath]

No, I can't.

[Adam]

It's time to dominate your fantas.

[Dave]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Adam]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Dave]

Welcome to your Monday show, holiday weekend. Yeah. Three day weekend. What's up everybody? January 20th. We welcome you to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. We're gonna recap the weekend. It was a great, great football weekend. And Heath. Oh my gosh. Heath is here. Guys, don't say anything. Don't do anything mean to Heath. You will get penalized for unnecessary roughness. That's just how it goes this time of year.

[Adam]

I'm just so excited that football season's finally here. That was the longest preseason ever. The real season's finally here.

[Dave]

Oh, man, what a. What a week. So are they still underdogs? They open as underdogs, right?

[Adam]

I thought they opened as one and a half point favorites.

[Dave]

Okay, now they're one and a half. I thought I saw the Bills open as one point favorites. Now it's one and a half for the Chiefs. It may have always been that way. It may have gotten bad information. One and a half point favorites for the Chiefs. The Eagles, five and a half point favorites. All right, I'll get your official picks on Thursday, guys, but go ahead, give me your unofficial Monday morning quarterback picks.

[Jamie]

Chief Seagulls.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's probably where I'm gonna land.

[Dave]

That's where I've been. Yeah. Since the start of the playoffs. But.

[Jamie]

Oh, look at me.

[Dave]

Well, I mean, I really went out on a limb there.

[Jamie]

Why don't you sing a song about it?

[Dan]

He'll do it.

[Dave]

Yeah, don't do it. Fly like an Eagle versus the Chiefs. Anyway, I feel like the command. The Commanders are giving me some. Some 2007 Giants vibes right now. And if Jalen Hurts is hurt and he is hurt, he's obviously playing through something he's gonna play this weekend. But I think they've got a pretty good chance to win that game. I think I'm gonna take them.

[Jamie]

So are you. Are you saying that Jaden Daniels will be Eli Manning to Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady?

[Dave]

Very possible.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Dave]

You know, they're kind of. They're kind of living off turnovers and the Eagles don't turn it over. So that's what's holding me back from just picking the Commanders. But like the Eagle. Something's just not right in Eagles in Eagle world right now.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, they're awful. They awful their way to the NFC champions.

[Dave]

You admit it. Admit it. On offense, something's not right.

[Adam]

Here's the. Yeah. Yes. But also, like, if you look at the passing production for Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes over the weekend, like, none of them threw for. None of them through for 200 yards. I don't think. I'm not sure if any of them threw for 150. It was just like, that's kind of the way that it went with some really bad weather games or cold weather games at least. But I. I realized something this morning. I don't know if I forgot this or if I just didn't ever know it. I've seen a lot of people talking about Allen versus Mahomes being Manning versus Brady. Did you know that Peyton Manning had a winning record in the playoffs against Tom Brady?

[Dave]

What?

[Jamie]

Really?

[Adam]

Peyton Manning was 3 and 2 against Tom Brady in the playoffs.

[Dave]

No, I had no idea. I always compare it to Nick's bulls in the 90s. I think I said it last year. Like, the Knicks were so good, they could never, ever beat Michael Jordan. And that's. That's what the Bills have been, unfortunately.

[Jamie]

So all three of Peyton's super bowl.

[Adam]

Appearances or the wins against Brady, I don't know that. I was just looking at the years. Brady won the first two, Manning won the last three.

[Dave]

I forgot about the Broncos era. So one of them must have been with the Bronco. I'm assuming with the Broncos, it might.

[Dan]

Have been all three. If you want me to check it, I can.

[Jamie]

You've been. He's been to four, right?

[Jimmy Conrad]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Oh, man. I. That a wild stat. Good stuff, Heath. All right, welcome back. Anyway, listen to FFT Dynasty. What's your fft? Don't give me like a little promo.

[Adam]

Tomorrow we have one of the favorite shows we did from last year with John Bosch. Basically, we're calling it. So you want to start a dynasty league, and John Bosch is the best dynasty fantasy football commissioner I know, no offense, Adam. You do a really nice job, but. And so we just break down everything we would do if we were starting a new dynasty league, and then we'll give also, like, if you're not quite as insane as usual, what you might do if you didn't want it to be totally that involved. And then on Friday, I have both Dave and Dan and we are going over dynasty tears. And I think next Tuesday, Jamie's coming on and we're doing a dynasty mock.

[Dave]

Jamie, did you pay me yet?

[Jamie]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam]

I paid you, right? Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Because I'm actually record pace. I'll paid out except for one league.

[Dave]

Let's get some fantasy winners from the weekend. Jamie, you could start. Who's a fantasy winner?

[Jamie]

Let's go. Sam Laporta. You know, just another strong game to end the season. Unfortunately for the Lions fans, ending the season. But, you know, clearly was a rough start for him in the 2024 campaign for the number one or top three tight ends that were drafted. And you know, people were saying when we did the bus show, when I wrote the bus column, 2024 bus, that he should have been the tight end instead of Dalton. KK well, he finished the season, know, helping fantasy managers in a big way for the fantasy year. And then, you know, another touchdown in the playoffs and it's going to be interesting to see where he gets drafted in 2025 because he's not going to go ahead of Bowers or McBride or McBride or Bowers, whatever order you have, depending on the format, can he be the third tight end? You know, are you going to draft first Kittle ahead of the porta? For me, he'll be fourth. Even if Kelsey comes back and clearly Kelsey had a strong, another strong playoff game. It's amazing how he steps up in the playoffs, but I think, you know, Laporta, depending on what again, we've said this a lot, who the offense coordinator is for the Lions, what everything looks like this, this entire off season for them. But for me, I think he's, you know, reestablishing himself as still a very productive fantasy tight end and you know, just a great catch, by the way, in the, in the end zone there for the Lions and their loss.

[Dave]

I thought it was interesting after the buy they had a buy in week 11. Here are the targets for the Lions from week 12 through 18. Saint Brown 63, Laporta 51, Williams 50, Gibbs 34. Very evenly distributed. You know, Sam Brown did the most with it but they, but like, let's see, one, two, three, five players had three or four touchdowns. Those were all very evenly distributed as well. All right, Dave, how about you give me a fantasy winner?

[Dan]

How about Isaiah likely is someone that will likely get picked within the first, I'll say 10 rounds of fantasy drafts next year began the season and week one is someone that was a big target for Lamar Jackson and then was in and out of it. Obviously Mark Andrews stepped up. I think it was like week six on Mark Andrews was a, was a big time touchdown scorer for, for Baltimore. And then at the end we saw Isaiah likely catch the touchdown that put the Ravens within striking range of tying the game. We'll talk about what happened after that, but if they don't add another big time wide receiver, I think this is who they should put in their offense a little bit more, give them a little bit more work. And I almost feel like I was saying the exact same thing after week one and that was the impetus for adding him off the waiver wire was this is somebody that the Ravens could just lean on all season long to be like a number two wide receiver for them. But he plays tight end and I hope they learn from that. And I think that he's someone that's going to go from another year of not being drafted to being a late rounder.

[Dave]

So we did two drafts last week or within the last couple of weeks and likely went with the 11th pick of round nine in one of them and the 11th pick of round seven in one of them.

[Dan]

Yeah, round seven is ridiculous.

[Dave]

I have no interest in Isaiah likely because he's going to have as many 2 point games as 15 point. 4 point games is 15 point games. Zay Flowers has been out. I Don't really know if that matters because Bateman's gotten some targets too. Zay Flowers has been out. It's likely he's been good last couple weeks. Like how could I. He's like a handcuff to me. I, I honestly feel like he could be tight end one if. And three if Andrew's got hurt. But if not, like, I don't know. I, I can't. I look at his regular season. I can't do anything with that.

[Jamie]

I wonder if this is, if this is, this is somebody that teams would be trying to acquire. NFL teams.

[Adam]

Right.

[Dave]

He's good.

[Adam]

We're in 100. Sure that Mark Andrews is going to be on the Ravens next year, right? I'm not talking about because of yesterday, but it was a big time down year for him based on what expectations were he. It's his final year of his contract next year. He's got a seventeen million dollar cap number and six million of that's guaranteed. So he'd save eleven million dollars by him not being on the team.

[Jamie]

I bet expectations for the Ravens because I'm, I'm pretty sure they were probably pretty pleased with what he did.

[Dave]

Oh yeah, Andrews, they were until like 12 hours. Well, yes, by the way, my heart was breaking for Mark Andrews, like oh yeah, me too.

[Dan]

Likely's in the contract year as well next season. So.

[Jamie]

So it makes sense.

[Dave]

No, it's a good point you make, Heath. I mean obviously that's a game changer of Andrews is cut. But if Andrew's on the team, would any of you take Isaiah likely in the first 10 rounds?

[Jamie]

No, if Andrew's on the team.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Dan]

No, round 10 at the earliest.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't take him. I wouldn't draft him at all.

[Dave]

All right, Heath, who's your fantasy winner? I'll go.

[Adam]

Joe Mixon. He had such a tough finish to the year and this narrative that he was just bad against good run defense. It wasn't just a narrative, it was true. But in the playoffs, 194 yards rushing and two touchdowns against the Chargers and the Chiefs, he did not just completely break down and wear down based on usage. And I think you've got a question coming up about Joe Mixon and I think he is a top 12 tight end for next year.

[Dave]

Yeah. My question is why is Joe Mixon not a top 12 running back? I don't know how many of you can look, yeah, he won't be a top 12 tight end, but he'll probably.

[Adam]

Number one tight end.

[Dave]

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[Adam]

I'll go with Joe Mixon's teammate, C.J. stroud. No passing touchdowns. He hasn't thrown for 300 yards in a game since Oct. 6 and only did it twice in the regular season and playoffs combined. He did a little bit with his legs in this game, but we know that's not something we can count on. And if you're not someone who runs in fantasy football, you've got to be an elite producer in terms of fantasy production through the air. CJ Stroud was not that at all in his second year. He's a QB2 at best. Double digit rounds.

[Dave]

Dave, Fantasy loser.

[Dan]

Pick an old wide receiver. Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins, even Cooper Cup. I know cup actually had stats. The other two wide receivers didn't have any stats. But guys with names that we know have been around a long time, just coming up pretty empty. Literally empty in the case of Hopkins and Amari Cooper. I think there's going to be some serious trust levels with each of those guys in drafts next year.

[Dave]

I mean, Cooper has just barely played his snap high. His snap share high with The Bills is 54. He played 36 against Denver, 34 of the snaps against Baltimore he just barely.

[Dan]

Plays well into the second half. His live line for receiving yards was half a yard.

[Dave]

He took the. Did you bet it?

[Dan]

No, it was under. If it was like normal odds, then I probably would have taken the under. He had one target after that. But you're right, he barely plays. He might be hurt. Maybe there's something that'll pop up after.

[Jamie]

The season that says I'd be surprised if Hopkins gets drafted next year. Like Cooper will probably end up with a team that'll have a role that will say, okay, he's worth a late round pick. Hopkins just looked completely washed up.

[Dave]

All right, let's go to. Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Fantasy loser for Jamie.

[Jamie]

Yeah, we talked about this last week, I believe, when we were looking at the top 12 running backs. What would Isaiah Pacheco do in the playoffs to maybe give us more confidence to buy back into him as. As a top 12 guy? And obviously that did not happen in the first playoff game. So still has potentially two more games to showcase himself, but to put himself back into that category, you know, so as. As we sort of. I think so I'll speak myself as I settled on, you know, just outside the top 12, you know, somewhere in that, you know, 13 to 20 range is where he'll probably end up because he'll be healthy and barring significant competition coming in, but, you know, he's still the lead running back for the Chiefs and end up, as we said, you know, one of the better value picks. As we talked about, I think it was Jake Rogan's groggins taking him twice in each of the drafts that we've done. PPR and half ppr. And you, you commented on that both times, Adam, that you thought it was a really good value pick, which I agree. And so we'll see just how this finishes for him. But I just think like we said going into the injury and when he came back, they wanted to make sure he was healthy for the playoffs. I don't think that's the case right now. Kareem Hunt is still getting the job done for them, so we're just not gonna most like, we're most likely not gonna see the best of Isaiah Pacheco until probably next season.

[Adam]

And I think that's the point is there's a much better chance that he's the best running back on the Chiefs next year than that. I think he's the best running back on the Chiefs in the next game or two just because he just. I. Guys have broken their legs and come back after an off season and not been the same guy at the start of the year. He tried to do that in one season, and it's just not, he's not the same guy right now.

[Dave]

How hard was it for you when you were making that sentence to not say in the next two games instead of the next game or two?

[Adam]

I, you know, I, I don't know how many games, how many more games the Chiefs are going to play.

[Dave]

I, I'm starting to just fear that they're going to bring Kareem Hunt back and that hut's going to be like the goal line guy or something. I just, that's, that's what's kind of concerning me right now with Pach. But you're right, I did say he.

[Adam]

Did a good job finishing that game out last night. Like, I know that you kind of mock him because he never makes anybody miss, but that style is useful in situations.

[Dan]

And if it's, if it's not Kareem Hunt, it could be somebody else, too. Like, there's nothing stopping them from drafting one of the running backs in this year's class. There's definitely going to be somebody there to take work away from Pacheco. Pacheco's in the contract year, so they need somebody long term. It's not Carson Steel.

[Dave]

All right, what was the best game of the weekend? It would have to be one of the two Sunday games. I'll get the answers from Dave, Heath and Jamie when we come back. We're going to take a quick break on fantasy football today. We'll be right back.

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[Dave]

Okay, so we had four divisional games. Buffalo 27, Baltimore 25, Eagles 28, Rams 22, Washington 45, Lions 31, Kansas City 23, Texans 14. What was the best one in your opinion?

[Jamie]

Guys, I just always like how you project your feelings onto us. It has to be the Sunday games.

[Dave]

I mean, doesn't it have to be the Sunday games?

[Dan]

I think Heath's favor was the first game.

[Adam]

I thought Commander's Lies Lions was the most exciting game, right?

[Dave]

You think so? Was that the best game? It wasn't a one score game.

[Jamie]

So Adam doesn't like it.

[Dave]

Oh, I don't. That is you. That is not me. I. I'm the one who finds fault in the one score games.

[Adam]

It was a one score game going into the fourth quarter, though.

[Dave]

I don't think. I don't think Washington Detroit was the best game. I mean, do you? Five turnovers. Are you freaking kidding me? I think.

[Jamie]

I think it was. It was. It was the most fun.

[Dave]

Yeah, I don't know if. I don't think I agree with that either.

[Jamie]

When you watch. When you watch teams do stupid things sometimes and go, what the hell are they like? What was. What were they doing like?

[Dave]

What Jameson Williams. Oh, please don't say that. You're going to say the Jamison Williams pass, it was.

[Jamie]

It was a bad call at that time.

[Dave]

Not a bad call. It was a bad play by J. I knew it. I knew it. I hate this take. Was it a bad call when they ran a reverse of Jameson Williams in a 61 yard touchdown run? No, it's Jameson Williams fault. Should have thrown that ball away. You run that play, you got to try to make the right decision. Throw that ball away. No, he's trying to throw a completion.

[Adam]

So I want to go to your point. Like you said, it wasn't the best game because there were five turnovers. And I, I understand that Josh Allen had zero Turner turnovers. He also threw for 127 yards and ran for 20 yards, but he didn't turn the ball over.

[Dave]

I just think that, like, the best game, the ones that came down to, like, photo finishes basically were better games than the Lions commanders. This game was a blowout in the mid, middleweight, mid through the fourth quarter. I mean, how could this be a better game?

[Adam]

I think I would have enjoyed the Ravens Bills game more if it hadn't. Like, it was. It came down to the wire and it was so exciting. It was the last play, but then you just walk away feeling terrible for Mark Andrews. It wasn't like somebody went and did it. It was. Somebody dropped a pass that was in their lap while they sat in the end zone.

[Dan]

And it's like, imagine if Andrews catches that pass. Now it's a tied game. Josh Allen has the ball with a minute 33 left.

[Adam]

Then it would have been the best game.

[Dan]

Whether the Bills march down and kick a field goal or the game goes into overtime, that's the best game.

[Jamie]

They also left a lot of time on the clock, too. Minute 33.

[Dan]

Yeah, of course. And that's why I don't think, like, it was a slam dunk, that Baltimore was going to win even if Andrews had caught the pass.

[Adam]

No, no.

[Dan]

My. My favorite game was Rams Eagles, because it went down to the wire.

[Dave]

Not your favorite. What was the best game?

[Dan]

That one.

[Adam]

There is some objective thing to measure. Which football game.

[Jamie]

That's what it is.

[Adam]

What was the worst game, Adam?

[Dave]

What? Well, the worst game was. The worst game is. That's the easy one. It was the Texas Chiefs, like, that was. That was the worst game.

[Adam]

A lot of passion about that game. People were very angry.

[Dave]

Dude, that was ridiculous. You know what? Just. Just make it reviewable. Just make roughing the pass or necessary roughness, all that stuff.

[Dan]

Beautiful. It's not that hard.

[Dave]

And make it reviewable. Come on. I don't know what my answer is. I think, I think Rams, Eagles. That's my answer. It was a great. It was a really good game. I was watching it with a couple of Eagles fans. This is a great game. I thought that. I thought the Rams did a really good job using their. Their defensive ends to keep hurts in the pocket and. Which is, I think, why he took so many sacks, because he couldn't really get out of the pocket. He couldn't, you know, then he would get called for intentional grounding, Obviously couldn't throw the ball away. That was a really good strategy. It worked, but they were just. It was one of the Sunday games for me. Dave's official answer is Rams Eagles. Jamie, yours is Rams Eagles. Oh, no, sorry. Mine's Rams Eagles. Jamie. Jamie, yours is Washington Detroit.

[Jamie]

Tell me what game I like the best. Adam, I'll agree with you.

[Dave]

Washington Detroit. Is that your answer?

[Jamie]

No, it was. It was a night game. It was Ravens, Bills, Ravens, Bills.

[Dave]

Heath.

[Adam]

Whatever you say, boss.

[Dave]

Yeah, well, I have a Twitter poll up right now, and I can't believe it, but Washington Detroit is the early leader. I'm very angry about most fun. It may have been the most fun, but I just don't see an argument for it being the best game.

[Jamie]

By the way, the Dolphins, if they don't, I'll say make the AFC championship game this year because this guy's not going to be a head coaching candidate this year. They need to fire Mike McDaniel and hire Chris Shula just for nostalgia. And obviously he's a good coach.

[Dave]

Bring him back. Bring back the fam. All right, let's get to some news and notes here as Baltimore Buffalo has now pulled ahead in the Twitter poll and news and notes. Matthew Stafford undecided.

[Jamie]

Your favorite game was. I mean, what's your favorite?

[Dave]

Matthew Stafford undecided on his future. It certainly sounded like he's gonna come back, played pretty well and hopefully he comes back.

[Jamie]

They're gonna be a good team. They're gonna be a really good team.

[Dave]

That defense is going to be legit.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Half rookies. They're so good.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's hard to find a better combination. The Chiefs obviously have it of coach gm like, just what the Rams do with. Okay, we're going to spend all this money, throw away all these draft picks. We're going to Super Bowl. Then they have to go reset and they just hit on all these mid to late round picks without first round picks. It's just amazing. What les need does 100%.

[Dave]

Jalen hurts hurt his knee. Philadelphia cornerback Quinnan Mitchell left with a shoulder injury. He says he's going to be good to go against Washington. Well, he says. He says he'll be good. I don't know if he'll play against Washington, but the commanders will be without right guard Sam Cosby, who tore his acl. So that's a tough break for them. And one question for each eliminated team. So, Jamie, if you wouldn't mind looking. My question was, why isn't Joe mixon A top 12 running back? How many of the six rankers for CBS, the four of us, plus Dan and Jacob have Joe Mixon or as as of week 17 or 18, whenever we did that, had Joe Mixon in their top 12.

[Adam]

While Jamie's looking, I can say I had him at RB7.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jamie]

And you made another somebody, maybe two. So he. Yes. Had him at seven. I want to say Dan did too. So Dan had him at 11 and nah, Jacob did not.

[Dave]

And we didn't. Right.

[Jamie]

You.

[Dave]

You and Dave did not. Okay, so J. Dave, I'll start with you, Dave. Why did you not have Joe Mixon in your top 12?

[Dan]

He's right on the brink. I've got him at 13 and if anything happens to one of McAffrey, Bree Brown, Bucky or James Cook, then he's going to jump right back in there. He had as many total touchdowns as Jonathan Taylor, had more catches, didn't quite average as many PPR points per game as Taylor, which is a little bit weird. And I think it had to do with how his season ended. He didn't have any games with like 15 plus PPR in his last four. He got hurt twice during the year, so there's a little bit of concern about how he'll hold up. But I, I would assume that the Texans are going to spend a lot of capital this off season on their offensive line to try and just fortify that part of their offense. Not sure how much they'll address their passing game, but they've got to feel good about mixing, being their guy for one more year. So even though he's not top 12 as of now, I think he's got a chance to get in there and I don't have a problem drafting him in late round two, early round three.

[Adam]

A lot of people in the chat saying he's 28 or he's a senior citizen or he's really old.

[Dan]

He'll be 29 next year.

[Adam]

Two things if, if you didn't draft any running backs who were 28 or older this past season, you probably had a bad time. I can testify to that. And if you don't rank any running backs who are 28 or older as top 12 running backs, next year, your top 12 is going to look really strange.

[Dave]

So he, it's pretty weird. Didn't it just feel like he was having a great year? But at the end of the day, if you look at his stats, his advanced stats, his basic stats, kind of Looks like the same player. In fact, he had his worst percentage of carries for zero or negative yards. I hate that he didn't really have a lot of explosive plays, but I just remember so many times during the season watching Joe Mixon being like, man, who is this guy? He. I don't feel like he was doing that with Cincinnati. And that was, I mean, that was what social media was saying too. He would have these, like, really impressive runs. I think the last four games left a bad taste in people's mouths, really. The three playoff games that he barely played against Tennessee, which kills his per game averages right. Week 18, the guys, they came in, they played like a quarter and they left. They also left week two early with an injury. So that also hurts his per game average. You take away those two games, he averaged 19 PPR fantasy points per game. That's a first round player. His two playoff games, he averaged 18, like 0.3 PBR fantasy points per game, roughly. So that's a, That's a first round caliber player. I don't think he'll go in the first round, though.

[Adam]

Another thing, like the guys who actually did average 19 fantasy points per game, Alvin Camara is going to be 30, Derek Henry is going to be 31. Saquon Barkley is going to be 28. Like it was, it was mostly old guys.

[Dave]

Yeah. All right.

[Jamie]

Henry's already 31. The, the thing, I, I would just disagree with Dave on one thing. I'd be very surprised they didn't address their passing game. You know, just knowing that Tank Dell's probably not going to play and Stefan Diggs is a free agent. So it'd be shocking if they don't spend something there to go get some receiving help and not deal with Robert woods and John Mechie and, you know, Hutchinson and those guys. So we'll see how that sort of plays itself out. And I think every team's going to hopefully beef up their offensive line. It'd be very surprising if that's not a focal point for every office, every team's off season. Nixon, 29, I think is, is. Is a very good low end, number one, high end, number two, running back. Just depends on how you value him. So I think Dave said it best. Late round two, early round three is kind of where he'll settle. Maybe mid round three, depending on how, you know, the, the drafts shake out. But, but you're right, Adam. The last four games were tough to swallow.

[Dave]

He took him in round five last week. First pick of round five.

[Dan]

Yikes.

[Dave]

Amazing. Okay. Next question. Sam laporta or Jameson Williams? I asked you your Lions question here. Who goes first? Sam Laporta or Jameson Williams? Jamie, who do you think will go first and who should go first?

[Jamie]

Laporta and Laporta.

[Dave]

Any disagreements?

[Adam]

Who's the offensive coordinator?

[Dave]

Let's say. Yeah, Dave said they're gonna promote from within.

[Jamie]

So Schefter just tweeted about this and saying that since the Lions are most likely going to lose their, their top two guys. Here are the candidates for their respective coordinator positions. He says it also could be the running backs coach, Scotty Montgomery, along with Tanner. How do you pronounce it? Dave and Strand?

[Dan]

I think it's Angstran.

[Jamie]

What happened to your board? Behind.

[Dave]

Yeah, I was about to say who would notice first? Totally just fell in the middle of Jamie's sentence.

[Jamie]

I look up, I'm like, something's different.

[Dave]

It's been fun.

[Jamie]

And then to replace Aaron Glenn, the linebackers coach, Kelvin Shepherd. So these are the guys that are in house that they're looking at. So might not necessarily be just their passing game coordinator. It could be the running backs coach.

[Dave]

So why, why LaPorta? Jamie, I'll just go back to you. Why the porta over, over Jameson?

[Jamie]

I mean, look, Jameson had an awesome third season and you know, deserves to be, I think in the top 30 receivers. I don't think he's going to crack anybody's top 24. LaPorta could be the number one tight end again. I mean, you know, he's got 10 touchdowns on his resume. He's got the potential to be 80 plus catch guy, a thousand yard tight end. I think is, is on the table for him. He has done that yet. And so you, you know, illustrated what it was like from week 11 on, from there bye week on how the targets were distributed. That's probably something that, that's going to hurt him. But still, when you look at this offense and how productive it still should be, even with Ben Johnson gone, I just think finding a player of his caliber at that spot, he's in the upper echelon of, of tight ends for me at least. So I would take laporta over Jameson.

[Adam]

Wayne, I guess Laporta. I, I don't have a strong feeling on this at all.

[Dave]

You want to know where they went in our drafts? In one of them they went back to back in the fourth round, Jameson Williams 4.8 and then I took Laporta 4.9 in that. I don't know if that was, I think that was, I think That's.

[Adam]

I think both of those are higher than. I want to draft either player.

[Dave]

And then. Well, then you'll like the full. The half PPR one we did last week. Jameson Williams went with the 11th pick of round five and Sam Laporta went seven picks later in round six. So Williams actually went ahead of Laporta in both. I didn't love my Laporta pick in round four. That was too early. Yeah, he. The case for Laporta is, is he's on a great offense and gets the targets that you need for touchdowns. He gets a lot of green zone targets, a lot of end zone targets. Jameson Williams, he doesn't. And he did score seven touchdowns, actually eight if you count the rushing touchdown. But he had the second most touchdowns of 35 or more yards in the NFL ahead of only Jamar Chase. And he wasn't even close in targets. He. His touchdowns came from three yards out. 37, 52, 64, 70 and 82 yards and a 42 yard lateral. Remember the 49ers game? So that, that's just. You can't repeat that production. The question is you can't.

[Adam]

But he's gonna have a lot more of those. Like Taylor Port is not scoring from like half of those out, probably.

[Dave]

Right. I'd rather have the guy who has the more reliable end zone role than. Than the guy who is relying on like six touchdown catches. 35 more yards is insane. Like, that's so.

[Adam]

It is.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I don't know. They. They both are. Like, let's see. So. So William's 17 game pace was 103 targets. His 17 game pace in his last nine games. So this was after the buy I mentioned earlier that was evenly distributed, was 115 targets. Laporta 17 game pace was 88 targets. I don't know what it was after the buy. Let's say it was close to a hundred. If they're both. If Laporte is getting 100 targets and Williams is getting 115 targets, which might be a stretch, but I'll give it to them. What rounds do you think they should.

[Jamie]

Go in in the ppr Jaff you reference? I took Kittle in round six. That's where I would take Laporta.

[Adam]

And I'd rather have Kittle.

[Jamie]

Kittle's three for me. Yeah, same. You took Laporta two rounds ahead of Kittle?

[Dave]

I do, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know the thing with Kittle, he's usually not great when everyone's healthy, but there's like four games a year when everyone's healthy.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean you have you coming off an ACL tear and who knows what happens with the rest of the team.

[Dave]

Yeah. All right, Kyron Williams outlook. My next question is Kyren Williams outlook. Dave, what's your Kyren Williams outlook?

[Dan]

Positive. I think we've seen it now two straight years he's been the main back for the Rams. We've come to embrace the main running back in Sean McVeigh's offense and he's been really good for fantasy 17 PPR points per game this past year. Not as good as he was in 2023, but still very, very good. Easily someone that should be anywhere literally from like 13th to 20th.

[Adam]

I've got Kyron at RB4 and Redraft and RB4 in Dynasty.

[Dave]

Is anybody concerned at all about the fact that he just. He was not very efficient this year? He had two carries the entire season of 20 or more yards with a long of 30 yards. That's in the regular season. He had a very good postseason and basically was, you know, not. Not a ton of catches for Kyron Williams. His 17 game pace. He played 16 games. 17 game pace was 36 catches, but 336 carries. I guess I would say that last year he was super efficient. This year he was really more volume dependent.

[Dan]

Yep. 15 or more touches in each of 18 games, including the postseason.

[Adam]

That's awesome. Love it.

[Dave]

It is great. He just wasn't that dynamic with it. And you just. I don't know, I'm just saying. I'm just.

[Adam]

Just got 579 career carries and he's averaged 4.5 yards per carry. He was 4.1 this year. It's not like he was bad.

[Dave]

No, he wasn't bad. But if they, you know, he wasn't great like I'm.

[Adam]

They draft a running back like a.

[Dave]

Blake quorum if they. Two carries of 20 or more yards on 316 carries is bad. This guy was a day three pick. He had a major drop in efficiency.

[Jamie]

You gotta stop with that though. The day three stuff, I don't have.

[Dave]

To stop with that. There's a pretty good.

[Jamie]

It's again, you gotta shift the goalpost on how this is viewed.

[Dave]

Well, first of all, I'm playing devil's advocate right now, so.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

Just so we could have a discussion about it. But if we don't need to have a discussion about it. If he is what he is, he's a high volume guy and a great offense who scores a lot of touchdowns, then good draft Kyron Williams early. We're gonna take a break and come back and talk about Zay Flowers versus Mark Andrews for 2025. Is it similar to Jameson Williams versus Sam Laporta? We will discuss after this on Fantasy Football Today.

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[Dave]

Okay, so we've got one more question for an eliminated team and then we're going to review our fantasy superlatives and see who the winners are. Fantasy mvp, Biggest bus, Rookie of the Year, Comeback player of the year, and best waiver wire pickup. We will tell you what the people on Facebook voted for. But yeah, my question Dave, Mark Andrews or Zay Flowers? Next year, who you drafting first?

[Dan]

It'll probably be Zay Flowers. But this is, this is the Lions question further down on draft day. Like, I, I, if we're taking Jameson Williams and Sam laporta in the round 5ish range, then we're taking these guys in the round 6.7ish range.

[Adam]

I don't, I don't know how much to make of like, it was a terrible game for Mark Andrews in a game that ended their season, but he was also better than Sam Laporta. This season we've got a longer history of Mark Andrews being a great tight end and having this rapport with Lamar Jackson. I, I think Andrews vs. Laporta is pretty much a toss up. I'd probably go Andrews over Flowers, though.

[Dave]

Flowers went way ahead of him in the two drafts we've done. So in the full PPR one, no, sorry.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Let me go to the full PPR one first Z. Flowers went with the fifth pick of round four.

[Jamie]

Same guy?

[Dave]

No. So Jacob took him with the fifth pick of round four dot Mark Andrews went in round seven, second pick of round seven in the half PPR draft, which we did a week later, Zay Flowers went with the last pick of round four and Mark Andrews went with the first pick of round seven. So that was. And actually I think that was the same guy in this draft drafted both of them. Yeah. So I wouldn't recommend that. But yeah, that Zay Flowers crushed him and I don't know Zay Flowers in the fourth round. I don't. That he. In both of our drafts, I don't really see.

[Adam]

Wasn't he drafted way too early last year too? Or this year?

[Jamie]

Last year, ADP was certainly one of the ones that we did not like.

[Dave]

Early, but I think toward the end, I think his ADP was like round six or seven.

[Adam]

Will he finish his wide receiver 36 per game?

[Dave]

Yeah. I wouldn't say it was a bad pick, though. I think that's probably close to what his ADP was.

[Dan]

He was pretty hot through the first half of the year and then he. He fell off and. And Mark Andrews started catching touchdowns. I think Andrew's here. I have it right here. 11 touchdowns in his last 12 games. Did not score in two of those last 12 games. It's pretty good. If he can be the Kyron Williams of tight ends, then he's should be drafted higher than round seven.

[Dave]

Just like 69 targets in 17 games. Let that sink in. You know, that's so low.

[Jamie]

But that's the beauty of this offense. They're so efficient.

[Dave]

I guess so. But even a guy like Heath, who loves Mark Andrews would say, you ain't catching 11 touchdowns on 69 targets.

[Adam]

You're not. He did have 60 of those 69 targets in his last 13 games. I think that there's a. A pretty good chance, like he had a car accident in the preseason. Isn't that right? Didn't come into the year at 100. Had two, five, one and one targets in his first three games of the year. And then like even 79 and third or 60 and 13 games is not a good enough pace. But I think we have to. We have to. We're gonna have to AIDS or stat Mark Andrews stats.

[Jamie]

I think you said it right, that there, there's. That's where I think the discussion starts to come in between Laporta and Andrews. Like, I think those are the top five tight ends. Will probably be the consensus top five will be Bowers, McBride, Kittle, Laporta, Andrews in some order.

[Adam]

So if Kelsey doesn't come back, I.

[Jamie]

Think Kelsey's behind them and I don't think he cracks that top five based on how the season went, because you now have two years of, okay, they're going to keep him in this sort of role and then playoffs come and he's, you know, superstar again, especially. It'll be 36 in October. Right. So how many. How much are you going to buy into it despite this amazing potential playoff run again? So, like, they'll probably be somebody that gets a lot of hype and, you know, Dalton Kincaidish, you know, sort of expectations and, you know, I think you just got to keep that in check. To me, those top five are locked in right now. I put Kelsey at six if he's back, and then it's, you know, the, the Najoku starts, the. Probably the next group of guys, the, you know, the bridge, if you will. So we'll see how it sort of unfolds. But I think, you know, the four or five is. Is really interesting between Andrews and his touchdown potential and now maybe the narrative of, okay, we have to make sure he's still our guy at least early in the season after this unfolded. And like Dave said, contract year, you know, so I'm sure Lamar is going to want to get him paid because they've been together forever. And then what does the rest of the receiving corps look like, you know, because they're. They clearly were trying, you know, they. They bring in Deontay Johnson, you know, at the trade deadline and, you know, probably not satisfied with who they're even maybe second receiver, most likely the third receiver. I think Zay Flowers is really interesting just because going into his third year, you know, showed some flashes that you'd like to see. And in year one and year two, and unless there's a significant addition, you know, a T. Higgins, you know, I don't know Chris Godwin, but, you know, something along those lines of just big free agent signing, then Flowers as the. The number one receiver will probably end up being a good value pick. I would probably lean toward Andrew Silver flowers.

[Dave]

So we have a couple of comments in the chat. One person saying Jimmy J. Says, are you Jimmy J. Zay never gonna have fourth round upside and then disbanded Brotherhood says, Zay Flowers isn't getting any better. So I wanted to bring up Zay Flowers.

[Jamie]

That I would completely disagree with.

[Dave]

Yeah, I wanted to bring up Zay Flower stats versus another wide receiver Flowers had 116 targets. This other wide receiver had 112. They had pretty much the same amount of red zone, green zone and end zone targets. They both were on very run heavy teams. Flowers quarterback through 477 passes, but the other guys threw 510. So very run heavy teams. Flowers quarterback had a much better year through 18 more touchdowns. Lamar Jackson threw 18 more touchdowns than this other guy. But so let's say they were within four targets of each other. The other receiver had eight more catches. He had about 90 more yards. And he had exactly 90 more yards. He had three more touchdowns. The other wide receiver was Lad McConkey. And like, I just thought, you know, is Lab McConkey a better wide receiver than Zay Flowers? I don't know, maybe. But I think they're both really good. We've seen it with our eyes. Like say Flowers is awesome. He could have had that type of efficiency. You know, he's, he's great per catch, he's great per target. Great yak had the night, you know, 22nd in target per out run rate. Justin Jefferson was 21st. They just unfortunately, you know, they don't throw much. But I'm saying is, I don't think it's like crazy for Zay Flowers to have a Lab McConkey type season. He would just really needed more touchdowns. Only four touchdowns for Zay Flowers, which is insane. When LaMar Jackson threw 41 touchdowns and he only had four. But if he had seven, people might, might think about him as a fourth round upside guy, you know, instead of, instead of some people here in the chat who are very down on him. So I, I would just say that he's so good that okay, he's a good player.

[Adam]

I think there's two different questions there. When you say fourth round upside, like the upside that deserves to be drafted in fourth round. Which means you could be a lot better than that. You could be a round one or a round two player. Or the upside like your best is to justify a fourth round draft pick, in which case you should probably be drafted in round six or round seven.

[Dave]

Yeah. Do you, do you think, well, like.

[Adam]

I think he has the upside to be worth a fourth round pick.

[Dave]

Yes. What do you think the difference is between him and lad McConkey? Because obviously right now people are much higher on Lab McConkey than, than Zay Flowers. They're both talented. One's a first round pick, one's an early second round pick in run heavy offenses. What's.

[Dan]

I'm not sure that The Chargers are a run heavy offense.

[Dave]

Well, they were last year. But you think they won't be started.

[Dan]

Off the year being that and then in the second half of the year they're like, oh damn, we've got Justin Herbert at quarterback. Maybe we should let him do his thing. I need to see the Chargers improve their run game before I buy into Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman going back to their old ways.

[Jamie]

Well, you also, I think in the second half of the season you had their best running back missing four games too.

[Dan]

It's true. But to me the their, I think their best games were when Justin Herbert was doing his thing. Makaki certainly grew into a huge role. What was he averaging like his last. I have it here, 19 PPR points per game in his final six and he averaged 15.1 on the season. And he's got room to be even better and get more opportunities. Even in Zay Flower. Like I talked about Zay Flowers his first eight, nine games, whatever it is, he still only averaged like 7.4 targets per game. And so there's target up size with, with McConkey. That's an offense that I don't think is going to get away from its quarterback and they'll throw a lot more. We'll just see what they do at wide receiver if they bring in one of the free agents or they, they spend a first round pick on a wide out again. Yeah, that'll hurt McConkey, but I, I think he's got upside to be better than he was this past year.

[Jamie]

Well, I think that the biggest difference is, is that McConkey is clearly the best receiving option on the Chargers and Flowers is in a little bit more of a crowded situation because of Andrews, because of likely because of Bateman. Like you know, it's, it's Quinn Johnson and we'll sprinkle a little disley here. You know, it's there, there's just a lot more to like about McConkey situation.

[Adam]

But I, if your point is talent wise, Adam, I think if like if you told me next year the Ravens are trading Zay flowers for lad McConkey. I think Zay Flowers can be as good as Vlad McConkey in that offense.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

But even if, even if the Chargers are run heavy, they're still going to throw the ball considerably more than the Ravens.

[Dave]

All right, are you guys ready to find out who won our superlatives?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Sure.

[Dave]

All right, let's do it. Fantasy. Hold on, let me pull up the results here. I didn't put Them in the notes because I didn't want to spoil it. I want to make you guys guess. I will say that my guesses or my. My answers as I voted. We're not. I don't know that I had the winner. I had the winner in one of them.

[Jamie]

Once you have Derek Henry as a comeback player of the year.

[Dave]

No, but your guy Zach Ertz was awesome. I mean, he had a whole 2% of the vote. All right, fantasy.

[Adam]

Yeah, Come on. I was gonna vote for seconds.

[Dave]

Yeah, I don't think so. Fantasy mvp. Lamar Jackson, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon Barkley, and Jamar Chase. Those were our four finalists. Lamar Jackson, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon Barkley, Jamar Chase. I voted for Lamar Jackson. Who would you guys have voted for?

[Jamie]

I mean, I gave the MVP on our site to Chase, so I might as well vote for the guy that I gave it to.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think. I think the clearly correct answer is Jamar Chase.

[Dan]

23.7 PPR points per game for Jamar Chase. Yeah.

[Dave]

A first round pick. Whereas Lamar Jackson was not. And he averaged three more fantasy points per game than any other quarterback. But you guys are entitled to your wrong opinion, which everyone else shared with you. He won Jamar chase 47% of the vote, so good job.

[Jamie]

How many people voted?

[Dave]

I don't know. I don't think I have that. Oh, I was gonna say.

[Jamie]

You didn't. You didn't try to just, you know, make your take part of everybody else's opinion?

[Dave]

I don't know. No, I did not. I don't know how many people voted, but it's 1600 people saw it, so hopefully most of them voted. All right, so that's our fantasy mvp. It is Jamar Chase. Congratulations, Jamar Chase. You get some hardware. The biggest bust was Marvin Harrison Jr. Travis ETN, Tyreek Hill or Breeze Hall. We were doing non injury busts, by the way. Marvin Harrison Jr, Travis Etn, Tyreek Hill, Breeze Hall. I voted for Travis Etn. How about. Who would you guys have voted for?

[Jamie]

For Tyreko Tyreeko, what they said.

[Dave]

And I actually got this one. Yeah. Travis etn was first 45. Tyreek hill was second at 37. Travis etn. Congratulations. You are the biggest fantasy bust of 2024. The rookie of the year, Jaden. It was really a two man race. Jaden Daniels, Malik neighbors, Brian Thomas and Brock Bowers. I voted for Brock Bowers, you guys.

[Adam]

I would vote for Brock Bowers.

[Jamie]

For me, it would be Thomas.

[Dan]

I'm surprised if it's not Daniels.

[Adam]

Well, it probably is, but I'm gonna vote for Bowers.

[Dave]

Who are you voting for? Dave Bowers. Okay. We are in second place. So Jaden Daniels won at 47. Brock Bowers, 38, Brian Thomas Jr. 13. Malik Neighbors, 2%. So Jaden Daniels is the rookie of the year in fantasy and probably irl. All right. Fantasy comeback player of the year.

[Adam]

Oh, we have this special distinction on our rule, like the NFL does. Or could this be anybody who was bad last year?

[Dave]

What's the. What's the NFL rule?

[Adam]

It really needs to be, like, in some sort of injury that they overcame or circum. Special circumstances. Not just. Not just bad play.

[Dave]

All our guys were injured last year or.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

Actually, I don't think Sam Darnold was injured last year. Was. He was not? No. All right. Our four candidates were Joe Burrow, Sam Darnold, J.K. dobbins. And we didn't really have a fourth one, so we went with Zach Ertz, Joe burrow, Sam Darnold, J.K. dobbins, Zach Ertz Ertz actually ended up with 1%. I voted for Sam Darnold. How about you guys?

[Dan]

Darnold, bro.

[Adam]

Burrow for sure.

[Dave]

Darnold with a landslide win. 66 of the vote to Sam Darnold, Joe Burrow, 20, J.K. dobbins, 13. Congratulations, Sam Darnold. Fantasy comeback player of the year. And finally, best waiver wire pickup. I am really mad about this one. This is the one that really. I think people are so wrong about this. Of course, I voted for what I think should have been the right answer. The. The winner, Baker Mayfield. So it's Mayfield, Darnold, Bucky Irving, John who Smith. Best waiver wire pickup, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Bucky Irving, John who Smith. Again, I voted for Baker Mayfield. Who would you guys have voted for?

[Jamie]

Bucky.

[Adam]

Yeah. I think Bucky's probably the right answer.

[Dan]

It's either Bucky or Johnny. I'm afraid that the crowd voted for Darnold again.

[Jamie]

That's what I would say. Yeah.

[Dave]

No, the crowd. Darnold was in last 4%. Mayfield was in second, 19. John Smith got 9%. Bucky Irving, 68%. I'm surprised. I mean, I. I feel like Bucky didn't really pay off until the end. Baker Mayfield was a week one or.

[Jamie]

Week two waiver wire right in the middle. What are you talking about?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What week do we think Bucky was picked up?

[Dave]

Second half. Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, when was Bucky Irving picked up?

[Jamie]

Oh, I went. I. I went through and did this looking at the first four weeks of the waiver wire column, and he was at 60% rostered in week two.

[Adam]

Oh, okay.

[Dave]

So, yeah, I don't know, man. I. I think Baker was the easy call for me, but Bucky Irving, another landslide winner, 68%. So Bucky Irving is our best waiver wire pickup of the season. That's it. Those are our fantasy superlatives. On Wednesday, we will be back with the top 12 tight ends and we'll do some fantasy cops and read some emails. Then on Thursday, we'll get into the games. I'm sure we'll have another topic as well. We'll get into the championship games, afc, NFC championship games. Looking forward to that.

[Jamie]

What's going to replace the. The draft on your wall?

[Dave]

Just more tape and the same draft board. I'd like to. I think I. I'm ready for a new background.

[Adam]

I just think, like, now that the season started, we can probably get rid of the draf. Used that before the season, that draft.

[Dave]

Three years old or something. I don't really have anything good. I don't know.

[Jamie]

You still have to. You still have to pay off the bed of putting a picture of me behind you.

[Dave]

I could do that.

[Adam]

That would be fantastic. Yes. That picture.

[Dave]

Do you get to pick the picture or do I?

[Adam]

No, it's the one of me scaring you.

[Jamie]

Oh, the one of me scaring you is good. Yeah.

[Dave]

That's actually a pretty funny idea if anybody has that. I could go to Staples and blow that thing up. Yeah. Have a great day, everybody. We will talk to you Wednesday. And I think I'm possibly going to go sledding soon, so that should be pretty interesting.

[Adam]

Don't get hurt.

[Jamie]

The three of us are going to go right down Mount Trashmore in Florida Sample Road. But there's several of them. You know, you never know.

[Dave]

All right, everybody, we'll talk to you on Wednesday on Fantasy football today. See you.

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