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Dynasty League 101: A Step-by-Step Guide to Setup & Rules! (1/21 Fantasy Football Today Dynasty)
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Heath is joined by John Bosch to share expert tips and strategies for successfully setting up a new dynasty league!
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Heath Cummings
Welcome to Fantasy Football today Dynasty. I am your host Heath Cummings, joined today by my good friend John Bosch. And it's tough time for one of my favorite shows of the year. We're starting a new dynasty league. Well, not really, but we're helping you if you want to start a new dynasty league. John, thank you for being here. We did this last January. I really enjoyed it. I. Every time you're on, the first thing I ask, what's going on at Fantasy Cares?
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John Bosch
All kinds of stuff. SFPL is going on right now. It's too late to get in really, but that's our big thing that we've got going on right now for those that are following the Scottish playoff league. So it's our big fundraiser around this time of year where basically it's one of those one and dones. You know, you get one team, one, one player, one time throughout playoffs. Once you use that player, you can't use that player again. It's always, it's always fun to watch the strategy of those people that, you know, get the high scores early. But if you burn those players early, you might get burned real bad. And this year we've got. I don't Think a lot of people are expecting, you know, commanders to be around still.
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Heath Cummings
Right.
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John Bosch
So there's probably a whole lot of people a little worried that if they make the super bowl, they've got no shot. They have Jaden Daniels at the end. You know, they've already used them up. So it's fun. I like playoff fantasy. To me, it's just another way to play this fun game. So I, I play in a bunch of playoff fantasy. It's. It's exciting.
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Heath Cummings
Yeah, I, I would imagine there were a lot of people who planned on using the Detroit Lions and the Baltimore Ravens in the super bowl, and now they didn't get to use them at all. But the Chiefs and Bills are still around, so hopefully you choose correct in terms of which one of those teams is going to win those this week so you can save the right guys for the Super Bowl. As always, we tell you all the time, go check out Fantasy Cares. See how you can get involved. Yes. The Scott Fishbowl is probably the most well known way throughout the year. We're doing all kinds of stuff to help raise money within this community. We get to play this fun game. We might as well do some good with it as well. On today's show, we are going to.
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John Bosch
Talk about signing up for SFP15.
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Heath Cummings
You can sign up already. Yes. A lot of people. A lot of people already have, I'm sure. We're talking about setting up your first Dynasty league and we'll talk about both, maybe what rules we would suggest for someone who's never played Dynasty before. And also our favorite settings, which I, I like. Mine can get a little bit crazy. John's are just absolutely insane. I don't know. How many leagues are you currently the commissioner of, John?
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John Bosch
I have currently. Commissioner of.
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Heath Cummings
Yes.
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John Bosch
I actually passed commissionership off of two leagues. Okay. So I think I'm down the Commission like 14, but two of those leagues have within them like nine leagues apiece. So, like, I don't know how to do the math, what it works out to be, but somewhere, somewhere in there, you know, 20, 30 leagues or something like that.
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Heath Cummings
As I said, absolutely insane. We always start with three questions for our guest. I actually went back to last January and looked at the league specific questions that I asked you so that we could do something a little bit different on today's show. So I want to start first off with the idea of a constitution. And if you think I'm not going to write out a constitution for my Dynasty league, this is a fantasy football league. I'm just Trying to have fun. It will save you so much headache in the future when you're at a mazer and you realize two years in that something's gone haywire that you never anticipated. And you can just go check. What is the, what does the league constitution call for in this situation? So if, if you were giving somebody a template for putting together a Dynasty league constitution, what should, what must it include?
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John Bosch
Yeah, and I mean for Dynasty, you have to have this redraft. You should have it. I mean like, everybody should know the rules of every league they're playing in, even if it's just very, very basic things. But for Dynasty, because it gets a little bit more complicated. It's it, you're right. It is vital. I mean, the, the, the biggest thing you have to have is because most of these leagues involve money. Define every bit of money extremely carefully. Make sure you know what the buy in is. Make sure everybody knows what the buy in is, how the money is going to be handled and where, when it's due, how it's going to be paid out. Exactly. I mean, all of mine literally break it down and show exactly what comes in and exactly what goes out. More often than not, if people aren't, if people are going to get upset in leagues, it's usually money involved. So if you define that money clearly and just get, get all that, that's the first thing I, you know, like that I really want to make sure is in there. So it's the first thing I do when I set up a league because I don't really care about how much things are and stuff in leagues. That's the way I play. But I know it's an extremely important facet. So, so make sure you have that defined.
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Heath Cummings
On the, on the money point. And this first question may turn into a long one, but do you like, I know you require league payment like pretty much as soon as the last season ended for the coming season. Also, what about when people are trading away first round picks?
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John Bosch
Yep, we, I, I require that. So if you trade your future first, you've got to pay that year. So like right now in my leagues, you can trade your 2025s and 2026s because 2027s haven't opened yet. But if somebody were to pay their 2026, they would have to go pay their 2026 league fee. All of mine are on league safe, so it's real easy. They just have to click a link and, and they, and they can pay. It makes it real easy to track all the money for me.
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Heath Cummings
Absolutely. Of course you also have to worry about transaction details, what time of year you are going to allow transactions. Do you like to have a little dead period in the off season?
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John Bosch
No. Like you said, I require my entry fees very early. That's because I pay out very quickly. As soon as, as soon as week 17 now finishes. I mean I, I get those payouts out within days. I was paid out this year within just a few days.
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Heath Cummings
Right.
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John Bosch
And then my, my league entry deadline just passed like last week. I think it was maybe Monday or something of last week. So I, my expectation is, look, if you're going to be in for 2025, we are in 2025. Let's go get the money all out of the way, everybody get paid and let's move on. And people that don't pay, they get replaced. So that's why I like to move quickly because this is. We are about to enter actually one of my favorite parts of the dynasty season, which is dispersal season. I love it. It's when you get a second chance to fix your team if you really royally screwed it up, where new managers come in and you get that in influx of activity and, and everything in the league. So to me, this is a time where I don't want to go to a dead period, to a dark period. The, the people that play in the leagues I run tend to be hardcore degenerates. So. Yeah, and I love them for it. I love everybody out there that plays in my leagues. And you are hardcore degenerates. We don't want that. We, we don't want that time off. We don't want to wait between now and, you know, the NFL draft before we think about our fantasy teams. We want to start playing them now and playing now. We want to keep playing year round.
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Heath Cummings
So that leads into my next question because some people are going to hear this and think, man, I want to be in a dynasty league. I don't have 10 friends or I don't have 10 friends who want to play dynasty fantasy football. How can people go find a dynasty fantasy football league?
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John Bosch
Join my Discord server. No, that's. I mean for now, that is one way. But I mean that's really social media at this point. You know, look on blue sky, look on Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it.
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Heath Cummings
Do you have openings in your leagues right now?
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John Bosch
I don't. Mine are all closed. Like I said, my, my deadline. Once the, once the deadline, the payment deadline passes, I start taking signups in my leagues. Usually at the end of November, beginning of December, like, I put out a big Google interest form and people fill it out, submit. And then when people tell me they're leaving, they get replaced. When people don't pay, they get replaced. I move quickly on it because I like to. I like to have it all done. I like to have the money part out of the way. I want to get the dispersals completed, everything done before my fantasy league rolls over, so that when it rolls over to the next year and it's a nice, clean, fresh start with everybody ready. So social media, you know, look, look out there. There are plenty of managers out there. There's, you know, forums on like, DLF and things like that. Dynasty Nerds has a place where they look for, you know, open teams and stuff like that. But I mean, I. Honestly, I. If anybody is welcome to join my Discord server at any time, we have a place in there with a lot of active managers and multiple commissions house their league chats there now. So.
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Heath Cummings
So you. You have invited me to our league Discord chat in the one league that I'm in that you're the commissioner of. You have strongly suggested that anyone who's in the league join the. The Discord chat. I.
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John Bosch
While also saying it's not required, right?
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Heath Cummings
It's not required. Just. You should do it, Heath. Heath, do it. And you know what? It's something new and I haven't done it. I don't. I. I've never. I don't think I've ever, like, I don't posted anything on Discord. So I want you to just sell me on it right now. Why do I need to embrace Discord as it. Because you've gone with all of your leagues. This is your league chat tool. And I know I see more and more sites out there creating discords for their site or for their personal self. Why. Why should I do this?
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John Bosch
So for me, as commissioned, the reason that I switched to Discord is we can blame Russ Fisher. Okay, I, you know, Discord is how we do our fantasy cares communications. Yes, that is our. That is our communication channel is Discord. So he forced it on me. He was right. It is actually a pretty effective communication tool. So once I got used to using it for that, then I realized, okay, I have chat. I have Twitter, DMS, League DMS. I have Voxer chats. There's chats on GroupMe. There's probably other chat apps out there that pals league chats. This year I just put it all into one. I was like, I want everything in one place. For me as Commish, it makes my job easier. Now you know that I I had a wonderful person help me set it up. Tyler Schmidt, thank you. He did a great job. So he set it up for me. Now from here I can run it and it gives me a lot more control over being able to get people in and out of the chats very easily. From a user perspective, the what you'll see is the leagues that you're in, but then you'll also be there's also a chat channel like that. All the managers and all my leagues plus all the people in Matt Price's leagues and all the people in other commissions leagues. Like everybody's there. So it ends up becoming this place where you can actually find good new leagues, you can find good new managers. That's one of my ultimate goals for it because as things fracture in the social media world and split more and more, it becomes a little bit more challenging to have the conversations that we need to keep fantasy football thriving and growing in the dynasty perspective. So hopefully my discord helps us all with that.
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Heath Cummings
I'm going to give you a strong maybe. I'll give you a strong maybe. I'm not committing. I am committing to taking our first break and when we get back we'll get into setting up first time dynasty leagues.
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Heath Cummings
We are back. Jquan says in the chat. Discord rocks. I am curious because I like I know I'm 100 years old even though I'm only 45 or 46. One of those.
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John Bosch
I'm curious what Jquan said right before that too. He said he left the league because rule changes were given out over like texts and stuff like that. I, you know, you know, as someone that's in my leagues, you see a message board post if there's something important. And that's why I say like you don't have, you're not required to join the chat. The chat is there is fun but it does help with, you know, explaining and people learning things and stuff like that too. But like I, I, no, no commissioner should ever rely solely on a third party chat app to communicate vital important information. That should all be posted on the league so that it get sends an email out to every single person in the league. That's how I run mine and that's, that's what I recommend. There is vital communication should go through the league site.
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Heath Cummings
So and what happens is I join these group chats and then three or four people go off on a tangent talking about things and then I mute the notifications and then I forget to ever go back. So like I said, I'm a hundred years old. That's Heath. Let's talk about setting up a first time dynasty league. And I think the first thing that people have to decide is how do you acquire players. And I'm in one of your leagues that's called Auction Addicts. I'm not sure that you even have any leagues that are not auctions anymore, but I know that that's your preferred way. So I want to do, we're going to do two things. One, I want to let you just have a little bit of space here to tell people why you prefer auctions over drafts. And then two, we're going to talk about if you're in one of those leagues where everybody just wants to do a draft because it's quote unquote easier. You got a bunch of Heaths in your league. Then we'll talk about the best way to do that as well. But sell everybody on auctions. John.
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John Bosch
Yeah, I, I, I love auctions. I will not join any league that's not auction based or blind bid based, which is a really scary thing to do. But I won't do draft leagues anymore. It's just it, you're gonna do a draft league, at least figure out how to determine the order off of anything that's not random.
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Heath Cummings
Yeah.
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John Bosch
Figure out any way to do it so that it's not randomized. I do not like random. Like random just drives Me crazy, you know. Oh, well, we ran through a random number generator and hey, you get the seventh pick in the, in the startup, like, well, you get the, you know, the fifth pick in the second round. That's just not the same because guess what? The, the advantage of the person at the 101 is they have access to the entire player pool, and they're the only one that gets to determine if somebody else gets that access. They're the only one that can trade it away. In an auction, everybody has access to everybody in the player pool. You just have to spend more. Well, I mean, quite frankly, if you want it, you can go get it. You just have to spend more. You have to outspend somebody willing was willing to spend this much, and that's the 101amount. You can easily go over that. You don't need their permission. So to make a trade to get to the 101 in Dynasty, you're relying on somebody else allowing you to make that trade. In an auction, that's not the case. You just have to outbid them. So I, I am full on auction. I mean, to me, it's just, it's way more fair. I, I don't like somebody getting an advantage over me at the start based off of anything random.
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Heath Cummings
You know, Jake, one's just here in the chat to agree with everything you said.
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John Bosch
He says, yeah, I like, I like this.
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Heath Cummings
Two, what's the. So I, the, the number one thing I hear from people is, yes, I agree, it's a better way to do it, but it takes too much time or. But it's just too difficult to set up. So what is the easiest way, in your opinion, to, to get an auction set up? If somebody wants to, wants to do that for the first time, they're a little intimidated because they've only done drafts in the past. What's the easiest way to set that up so that everybody's kind of on even footing at the start?
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John Bosch
So the first point of it takes way more time is totally false. That is totally false. If it takes too much time, it's because the settings were incorrect to begin with. So if you set up an auction with like a slow auction.
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Heath Cummings
Yep.
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John Bosch
And there's a player up for, you know, 24 hours or something like that, that's a mistake. That, that is what it used to be back before we all lived on our phones constantly. My clock, my auction clocks now are usually 12 hours at the most. So setting it at 12 hours, it moves. People don't go more than 12 hours without checking in on the auction at this point, you know, you wake up in the middle of the night, you check the auction. Like that's just how it goes now. So we've gotten way away from where it used to be. It takes longer. So as long if you wanted to, you can make an auction last as long as you want. You can make an auction go as fast as you want as long as you're using the settings that are appropriate. There's a lot of different options. I use my fantasy league, like I said, because their auctions allow you to do a slow auction, which, you know, every manager can put up a number of players. We have an auction board. There's anywhere between, you know, 10, 12, up to 100 players on the auction board at any given time, which to me is nice. You get to see this whole puzzle of players. You get, you know, the windows of where to bid and things like that. It's a good, it's a good strategy puzzle for me. That's another reason that I love auctions so much. If you can do it, the best way to do it is live.
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Heath Cummings
Yes.
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John Bosch
Get your whole group together and one player up at a time and you bid. That is the hands down best way to do it. That's harder to do to get everybody to join together, live and do it. And if you do that, you can do it in a day. It might take five or six or seven hours, but it's going to be really, really fun. And I mean, a lot of fantasy drafts, if you're doing a dynasty fantasy startup did a draft live as well. That's going to take the same amount of time. I mean, it's a dynasty grant startup is going to take longer. People are going to want to talk about trades, you know, so if you're live, it takes about the same amount of time and you're taking way more than, you know, 16 players like you wouldn't redraft.
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Heath Cummings
We do one redraft live auction a year with the CBS crew. And we try to do it as many people there in Personas, but we can't get everybody. So we do it like we have the software to do a live auction online right there, 15 second clock to make bids. You can get it done in three hours, two and a half hours for a redraft. You could get it done in four, four and a half hours for a full dynasty. Whether you're doing an auction or a draft though, I'm curious, how do you like to handle the rookies? Because I know some people will just Put them in the mix with everybody and you just have one startup. I, I really like to have two just because I think that drafting or auctioning, like either way is the most fun part of fantasy football. And so the more we can do that, the better. But how do you like to have them all in one at once or do you like to split it up?
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John Bosch
So it depends and I define it when I write. Whenever I start a new league, I define it. There are times when I will include the rookies. There are times when I won't. Usually it's based on when is the startup. If the startup is before the NFL draft, usually I do a separate rookie auction after the fact. If it is. If the startup is after the NFL draft, then it's usually just all one, one pool, all running together, everybody together. So it really, for me, it's defined by when the end. When the startup is.
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Heath Cummings
You're starting a new league, it's 10 people, 12 people who have never played Dynasty before. How many roster spots?
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John Bosch
I like 25. Like 25 active roster spots. It's deep enough where you can keep some. Got some, some guys that are stashes a little bit. It's deep enough to make it so that I don't have to worry about waivers as much because I don't like waivers. So 25, you know, with 12, that's a good, good player pool. But it's not so deep that you can't find a guy that you need to slot in just for a one game, you know, appearance for some strange reason. And you can find some little waiver wire so it gives a kind of a mix. I'm also. Well, because I hate waivers so much, I don't mind going all the way to like a 40 roster spot. I would rather every single player be off of waivers. And if I want to get that player, I go and offer a trade rather than trying to submit a waiver claim. For me, that's way more fun. That would be really deep. If you're starting a brand new one, but brand new, I would say start somewhere between 25 and 30. And it depends on what your next question is.
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Heath Cummings
Dude, injured reserve and taxi slash practice squad.
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John Bosch
Yeah.
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Heath Cummings
Do you have preferred limits for those two?
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John Bosch
So injured reserve at this point? Because the end I, I changed my IR rules when the NFL changed their IRR rules back in the day when it was once you're determined ir, you're out for the year that I only had, I think usually it was like five to 10 at this point now players go on IR for four weeks and come back off. My leagues all have unlimited IR at this point. Look, if a guy's out for 4, 8, 12 weeks, I don't want you to have to make a transaction to cut that player or to cut another player because of that. So for me it's just, you know, go ahead and stash that guy on your ir, open that roster spot up to pull somebody off waiver wires or to trade for somebody and replace that player with so unlimited ir. For me, taxi squads, I tend to do somewhere between five and 10. It depends on the league. I usually, like I said, since I go 25 to 35 somewhere in that 5 to 5 to 7 is really my sweet spot a little bit.
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Heath Cummings
I've played in leagues where this is different. When you say taxi squad, are you limiting that to rookies?
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John Bosch
So most of my leagues are limited to rookies. I have a couple where it's the first two years which are really interesting. I, I actually, I kind of prefer the first two years. I it allows you to stance more players. I in there's other ways to do the taxi where like people can poach them in their second year and if they're not on, you know, if they haven't been promoted yet. So that, that adds, if you can get to that kind of a detail, that adds some intrigue to the taxi squad rather than it just being a player that people stash. But for me, two years is my preferred. Most of my leagues are one year because that's pretty standard. Rookies only, you know, for one year. And that's real easy to set up everywhere.
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Heath Cummings
I, I want people who are hearing John talk about like the number of roster spots and people that you allow people to stash makes the waiver wire worse. So if you're someone like him who doesn't really like waivers and I think what you'll find is that generally speaking, people who play in more than five or ten leagues are the people who hate waivers because it takes them an hour or two or three on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. And people who play in five or fewer leagues really love waivers and see it as a good strategical part of the game. And I, I, yes, I agree with all of you. So if you are somebody who likes waivers more, you might want to look at something like 20 roster spots with two taxi squads. I think that's our now our YOLO IDP league is, is very unique because it's IDP also and John is not a big IDP guy. I love IDP. I'm gonna be writing later today about my, I, my favorite dynasty settings and IDP will be in there, but we, we have 28 roster spots, I believe, and two taxi squads and five injured reserve. But like, there's just a lot of ways to manipulate it. You just have to know what the changes you are making. Like, I know a lot of times, especially early in my dynasty playing, I would make a change or set up a rule a certain way and didn't really understand what the impacts of that rule were going to be. And then you get three or four years in and you're like, oh, well, that's not what we intended for to happen. So more roster spots, worse waivers. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. I was, I, I wasn't. I think I know what you'll do here, but I was going to give you a chance if, if you want to sell people on best ball. Because I know some people I hear say best ball is just taking some of the skill out of it, like choosing the right guys to start each week. And I understand that as well. What, what are your selling points for best ball?
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John Bosch
So I, I like both. I, I, I like, I like to have, I like the lineup setting. I hate setting my individual lineup because I'm terrible at it. But that's a personal thing that I'm just bad at. So I also like the best ball because that eliminates that. And all of a sudden that's just about roster building for me. So I, but I do like to have a mix in my league portfolio. I like to have a mix. So, you know, setting lineup, you're right, it is, it's skill and it's one of the things I'm deficient in. There are other people that are better at it, but it also brings in a lot of variance if a guy just gets hurt, which is really frustrating to me. You know, a guy gets hurt in the first quarter of a game and you started him and he just can't, he can't score any more points the rest of the game, things like that. What I've really come around to is what Ryan McDowell has started with some of his most recent leagues is kind of a mix where instead of full best ball or full lineup setting, you end up putting like 15 people on an active roster and then like 12 of them start based on their best, based on the best golf scoring. So. Oh, I like that. But yeah, it's really intriguing to me because I understand that not everybody's going to like a full best ball. And not everybody's going to like a full lineup setting, so I never instituted that in any of my leagues. But playing in them, it's extremely fun because you still have to make the decisions then, so they're still at the decision points. But then you do get some of the insulation from if a guy gets injured or if a guy just has a terrible game. Like, sometimes that happens, and it's, you know, it's not really your fault that you started him. It was the right. The right process and the wrong result. It. It kind of minimizes a little bit of that variance. So I'm really enjoying that setup a lot.
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Heath Cummings
I, I like that. You know, I, I sent John a fairly long rundown of questions, but I told them there's no telling what direction we're going to go. And I'm seeing some questions that I really like in the chat, so we're just going to go that direction for a while. Mel in the chat says, with unlimited IR spots, how do you control the team who will hoard players? Because when they're listed as out, they can go in IR spot or you just change the setting. And I think it's very important if you're going to have unlimited IR spots that they must actually be on injured reserve or pup. Do you. You agree with that?
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John Bosch
Yep. That's how mine are all set. Mine are all set for IR only if you're on injured reserve, you've got to be on NFL injured reserve. It's not just out for a game. So that's a setting. Right. And you can, if you choose the other setting, like, that's fine, too. I, I don't have, you know, a big dislike for allowing guys that are declared out to be slotted on the aisle.
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Heath Cummings
Just don't have unlimited spots if you do that.
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John Bosch
I, I don't even mind. The, the big thing to do with unlimited spots is you have to make a rule that you can't pull a player off a waiver wire and put that player on your ir, because then there are people that just go and grab every single IR player off the waiver wire. Even if this player is never gonna play, like, ever for them, they will do it, because why not, if it's there to allow it? So basically, I have a rule in place where while we have unlimited ir, that player must be coming from your active roster. They cannot be picked up and then put on ir. If you pick them up while they were on ir, they are not IR eligible on your roster. So it must be on your roster.
- [30:02]
Heath Cummings
When they go on IR hypothetically. No best ball in a league. So you're just what, how many starters would you have and what positions would they be?
- [30:11]
John Bosch
Depends on the team number. For me I like the, or the, the league member number. I should, let's say it's 12 number 12 teams. For me that would probably be 10, 10 or 11. I like to have a deep lineup. Again we play, I play with deeper rosters. So if you're gonna have players on your team, you better be putting them in, putting them to work at some point. If you, if you go with something small, it really lends to just, just get studs and duds, go completely studs and thuds. I try to target like 120 to 140 starters total among the league. So if you've got a 10 team league, 12 to 14 starters. If you've got a 12 team league, 10 or 11 starters. Somewhere in that range, 120 to 140 starters. If you look at that from on a week to week basis and I mean we don't play defense kicker in my leagues. So you're looking at just quarterbacks, running backs, tight ends, wide receivers. That number the 120 to 140 each week seems to be a number that every once in a while you're gonna have to slot in some guys that you were not planning on having to start. You know, the bipocalypse hits and there's six, goodbye, six good teams on by. That decreases that pool real fast. So all of a sudden to get to that 120 starters, you see some names that you don't normally see. But to me that's kind of fun. There's a reason that you want to build those players at the bottom of your roster and it gives you that motivation because there are going to be weeks where you have to slot them in then. So for me, for me somewhere that's what I try and target. 120 to 140 total starters per week.
- [31:47]
Heath Cummings
Let's go back to the chat. We had a question as a commish, do you allow for the league to vote if you change roster size? And I think something I've become more aware of the further I get into this game is like changing any rule in a dynasty league is really difficult. So you can answer this specific question. But like are you requiring pretty much unanimous approval to change rules? Are you just doing it as the commissioner, Whatever you want. How, how is it should a, should dynasty rule changes happen?
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John Bosch
My leagues are not a democracy. I I do have rule change rules in my rules. So. But my mind say, you know, basically rule change is defined in my rules, whereas I can act unilaterally, laterally if I see that it's the best thing for the league. There are some things where I'll throw it out in the chat and just have a discussion about it, try to gauge feedback, see what other, see what the really the league wants to do about something. I don't change a lot of rules. I did change the trade deadline universally in all my leagues years ago because I played when I first set them all up, they all had a trade deadline. Then I played in leagues without trade deadlines and I saw firsthand, okay, this is, this is better. But I also know this is like a 50, 50 split, right? You can pull anybody and it's always going to come up. Some people love trade deadlines, some people hate them. I want them out of my leagues after witnessing what, what happens in leagues without them. So I just unilaterally removed them. I announced it, I told everybody and I said, you know, I understand if this changes how you feel about this league, that's fine. I, I get it. But I'm running the league and I want the league to be what I want it to be. So that's where I start. Now I try not to be a jerk about any of it. Like I said, I usually do throw it out there and I, I get discussion, engage it, have a chat. There are some things where I will put it to a vote if it's something that I don't think either way is going to really kind of affect the outcome of the league one way or another. But it feels like it's really, really split. I will put it up for vote if it's changing a rule that's already in place. I think my major, I think I have them all defined based on how many it is. It's usually like 8 out of 12. If it's a 14 team league, like it's a 9 out of 14, it's not a simple majority. Like you to change something that we vote on, you have to have like a super majority essentially. If it's something that's not defined, which is what we come into, that's usually where there's rule changes. It's something that's not defined in the bylaw. Something happened and we weren't expecting it. Like when, you know, covet, hit and there was massive changes the bylaws there that like we couldn't vote on all this stuff. I just had to figure out what do I want to do in my leagues. The unfortunate but and fully fortunate scenario with demar Hamlin like that, that. That was something. I didn't have anything in my rules about that. Like a game. Just like something like this happens, you can't. You can't have planned for everything. But I stole a rule from Scott Fish years ago that basically says if something unforeseen happens, the commission will act in the best interest of the league. It is the best interest clause and I've had to invoke it multiple times in that kind of a scenario where like, look, I didn't know. I didn't know this was coming. There's no way to do that. So more often than not, like the rules don't change. It's more in addition to a rule or something like that if it's something vital to the league. You know, changing one QB to super flex, things like that, that's the. The league has to vote on that. I'm not making that kind of a decision because that changes the entire setup of a league. So. And in that case, obviously you should.
- [35:32]
Heath Cummings
Just start a new league.
- [35:32]
John Bosch
League.
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Heath Cummings
I. Yeah, I think that that one, specifically the one QB to super flex is just almost impossible unless you want to set it for five years down the road or something. Joe brings up something I think will be real short, but one of my favorite settings is the additional matchup against league median 100. Agree. Joe really like that rule. Hard to even find an argument against it. Let's. I want to get to a few more questions here before we get to our second break. We'll go a little bit more rapid fire on this. Do you any preference on when to do rookie drafts or auctions?
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John Bosch
For me, it's after the NFL draft. I want as much information to be known as possible because I think it allows the managers to make more informed decisions. There are. I. I am intrigued by watching those leagues that do it before the NFL draft.
- [36:21]
Heath Cummings
Yeah.
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John Bosch
I think as a. You've got to have a unique group of individuals that want to do that because you can see a player's value just completely tank complete or skyrocket, honestly, like they're playing with fire. And there's. There's an appeal to that for me. So. So I get it. I would say from a standard perspective, do it after the NFL draft because NFL draft stock is a huge factor in dynasty value. What team somebody goes to where they get drafted.
- [36:54]
Heath Cummings
Right.
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John Bosch
The NFL is telling us what they think about a player. They do a lot more research and they are probably not always, probably in most cases a little better at this than we are or they're at least going to tell us who they think they're going to be better at and then they, that player gets the opportunity and everything way more so it's information. I want my managers to be informed. I want to be informed when I'm playing in them. But I do see the intrigue of the, the high risk, high reward before the NFL draft. It's a different kind of league and it takes a special group but if you've got it, enjoy it.
- [37:30]
Heath Cummings
Well, I think that's a good point. Like just to remember if you know, we're gonna answer a few more chat questions after the break and, and I've seen some about like less fantasy inclined friends and if you know you have one of those leagues then some of the crazy things that John and I like you probably should not do. You may even want to have a debt. If you've got a league where you've got two or three guys, pay a lot more attention and try a lot more than everyone else, then you may want to have a little period during the off season where you're not allowing AD drops so that those two guys don't just stack their roster with every player that should be picked up during that period of time. Three more rapid fire questions before we get to the break. What percentage of the league should make the playoffs?
- [38:10]
John Bosch
For me it is less than 50%. However you define it. I do not like half the league making the playoffs. So in a 12 team league that makes it really tough. I would figure out a way to do a five team playoff and give the number one seed a buy. I know in a 12 team league like six is pretty standard and I've even got a 12 team league where six make it because it's just what works. But that's why I like a 14 team league better. 14 team 6 make the playoffs.
- [38:39]
Heath Cummings
I, I understand why you don't like the 50% and I think inherently I agree with it. But I love a 14, 13 team league where seven make it because that one seed is so much more valuable. And I, I think that being the best team through the regular season in pretty much all fantasy football leagues is undervalued and you can fix that with the next question is how. What's your preferred way to chop up the the money that's involved in terms of percentages going to first other things like high points or like what do.
- [39:15]
John Bosch
You like to pay out for everything like I said, but this is why I define exactly how the money gets allotted in my leagues. Because I like a lot of people winning money. Quite frankly, it makes it easier for manager retention as a commissioner. So I love a weekly high score award. It doesn't have to be a lot. Depends. Everything depends on what you're buying, obviously is, and how much money is in the pot, how much you have to give to go around. But, you know, if you're playing in a 100 league and you've got $1200 to go around, the winner of the league doesn't have to get $900.
- [39:51]
Heath Cummings
Right.
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John Bosch
To care if the winner of the league gets $750. They're still going to like winning that league.
- [39:58]
Heath Cummings
Well, they're probably gonna have some high points too, if they win the league.
- [40:00]
John Bosch
Correct. They're probably going to win some other things along the way. But, you know, putting in a weekly prize of five to ten dollars for just being the weekly high score, it keeps people motivated the entire year. It gives just a little bit of a drive. I like, I like a yearly high score. I like paying out the runner up third place. You know, I missed the finals. Like, I don't really like paying out third place. If you're gonna do it, make it just the buy in.
- [40:27]
Heath Cummings
I'm not even saying that you have to agree with me if you're listening to this or that this is the right way to do it. I'm just expressing my opinion. I do not want to play any more fantasy football matchups after I've lost in the playoffs. I'm mad. I don't even want to look at that team for a few weeks. Just leave me alone. I don't want to play in a loser's brackets. I don't want to play for third place. I'm done.
- [40:53]
John Bosch
Do you know what happens in a third place in a third place game? What? Even if you win it, you know what? You instantly do? Would I have won the championship?
- [41:02]
Heath Cummings
Yep. I don't even want to see my roster. I do not want to look at the score.
- [41:06]
John Bosch
And you're looking at the score of the championship game. And if you would have hit. Oh, it makes it, it makes it worse. I don't want my $50 back. I don't care.
- [41:13]
Heath Cummings
I won third place in a league. I was the returning champion. I made it to the semifinals. I lost to a 12 year old in the semifinals who has won the league like three times now. And so I was knocked out by him. And then I had to play in the third place game. I won $75 or something. I don't know. Yay. But I had to watch as I outscored both teams in the championship by 60 points in the final week. And I was so mad about it. So yes, I, that that would be my advice is don't make people play beyond that. But that's one of the other reasons that I like the 14 and 7 is if you give a bonus just for getting to the semifinals, then whoever wins the regular season has automatically got that bonus. And I guess if you give up two buys then just first and second automatically get that bonus for finishing as a top two team.
- [42:05]
John Bosch
I'm okay with that structure as well. A lot of the leagues that I've started to play in now, the Ryan McDowell leagues, which are insanely commish heavy and even leagues that I've more recently started, they're, they're multi copy leagues that end up being, you know, 42 teams, 60 teams, stuff like that. So there's a lot of teams and in leagues like that then there's a lot of money to go around. At that point then it is, hey, if you make the playoffs, you're getting, you're getting a payout like right. I love that structure. It's a lot harder to do that in a 12 team league where 16s make the playoffs. But I, you know, if you've got a massive league and you're playing in one of those, I think you do you, you pay for everything. You advance, you advance out of the regular season, you get in a prize, you advance out of the first week of the playoffs, you're getting a prize. Like I love that payout structure a lot.
- [42:57]
Heath Cummings
And then finally what should determine who makes the playoffs? We talked about league, median scoring. Some leagues are just have one matchup every week where you're playing head to head. So should points come into play, how do you determine who makes the playoffs?
- [43:10]
John Bosch
So this is where I justify allowing 50% of the teams in a. In the playoffs. In the 12 team league that I run that has six teams in because I was, I. You should never. The, the first thing you should scratch out of your rulebook if you've got it in there is the top six with the best record get in. That's terrible. There are playing against the median is huge. That allows for an extra win a week. There's things like victory points where you can set up where you know you can play against the median, you get victory points. I think that's how auction addicts is set up. Where if you get a win, you get two points. If you beat the median, you get two points. If you tie, you get one point. Actually, I think, I think auction addicts is it's a three tiered meet, not median. So if you're in the top third, I think you get two points. If you're in the middle third, you get one point. If you're at the bottom 30 get zero points. So there's ways systems that you can set up to basically give people a reason to play more than just the head. If it is something like just a single singular head to head matchup schedule. I do like double headers too though. But if it's singular head to head, my playoffs will be set up. First seed is best record. Second seed is the top point. Top point performer that did not get in yet. And then I rotate back and forth so I go record points, record points, record. My six seed is your is the best all play record. A lot of sites will track that. They will track the all play record. So if you played every single team every single week, you know, it'll show you that report. So that's what the sixth seed is reserved for my, for mine. So it goes record points, record points, record all play record. For me, I feel like I almost always get the six best teams in. There are times where you see somebody that was, you know, in the standings, they show in the top six, they get bumped out. I have seen teams that have been bumped up quite a bit and it's almost inevitably just because if you go back and you look at their schedule every week, they were just that team every week where they scored a lot. They got outscored by somebody that just happened to score more or they were an okay team. But like they managed to play the team that had their best week of the season repeatedly. So it takes out again variance. Not a fan. It removes a lot of that variance if you don't base your playoffs just on best record, which you shouldn't.
- [45:36]
Heath Cummings
Let's take a short break and we'll wrap things up here on FFT Dynasty.
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- [46:39]
Heath Cummings
So we're going to talk about favorite scoring settings. I'll give some of mine. We'll ask John what he wants to add to that. But first I wanted to ask you a question because I see a lot of times in leagues it seems like the scoring settings are set up in a way to make it to where the positions are more equal. You see that with tight end premium scoring. We saw it with only giving four points per pass touchdown. I think it was one of the justifications originally for PPR scoring. Is that the point of scoring or is it to more accurately reflect their value to an NFL team?
- [47:16]
John Bosch
I think I, I think part of the goal was in trying to make the scoring settings make every position equal is to just have it so that we can play, you know, however we want. Like with the, the pieces all end up being the same. I have. That is how most of my leagues are set up. So I, I can't say that it's wrong, but also like, I don't care if it's, if there is a league setting that just makes quarterbacks the most valuable thing, so what then everybody knows quarterbacks are the most valuable. So as long as everybody knows what the settings are, even if they don't know it the first year, they're probably going to learn it by the end of the year and they'll have to adjust. Then there's really, really nothing you can do to make the wrong. Just straight scoring settings. No matter what it is, it's uniform across the league. You know, as long as you're not trying to like hide something. As long as it's published and it's out there, everybody has the information. Everybody can look at how it's going to affect every single player at every single position and go ahead and compare it at that point. Like, yeah, this is a good point. I like it when QBs and defenses score a little bit more. But to that point, should a defense in fantasy score be as valuable as a quarterback? Like, I don't know. It doesn't feel like it reflects the NFL right now. Although a good defense is nice to have a good quarterback, it seems to be way more important. So.
- [48:45]
Heath Cummings
Right. And I think like I. One of the things. And I'll just, I'll just go through my scoring settings like this is I think if I start a new league this year and I've told myself I'm not going to because I'm cutting back leagues, but that never actually works. My ideal settings would be 6 points for all touchdowns, rushing, passing receiving, 0.1 for all yards rushing, receiving kick returns including negative 0.14 sack yards lost. We need to start penalizing these quarterbacks. Sacks are a quarterback stat more than they are an offensive line stat. Offensive lines matter too. But we're going negative point one for quarterbacks.
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John Bosch
We are giving point one for passing.
- [49:33]
Heath Cummings
I'm sorry, I. I apologize. We're gonna good points. I'm not.
- [49:38]
John Bosch
I. I was like if I'm in this league, I am UBX to infinity.
- [49:44]
Heath Cummings
We'll go point. We'll go 0.04 standard 0.04 on. On QB. I am going a half point per rushing and receiving first downs.
- [49:54]
John Bosch
Yep.
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Heath Cummings
I am going full PPR with a one point bonus on tight end receptions, but not the first downs, just the receptions. 14 teams, seven make the playoffs. And then I do like IDP. I like full IDP because I'm insane. But at least two defensive linemen, at least two linebackers, at least two defensive backs, one point per tackle, two points per sack, one point per tackle for loss, three points for interception, one points per pass defense, two points for force fumble, two points for fumble recovery. John just completely blanked out during all of my IDP discussion because he's not going to do that. But in terms of the offensive scoring, John, any. Any feedback, anything that I'm missing that you like to add?
- [50:41]
John Bosch
No, that's pretty close. I. I tend to do. I actually do 0.75 points per reception in my leagues because I'm okay with half ppr. I'm okay with one with full ppr. I'm okay with both. So guess what I did when I started making leagues. I just kind of split the difference and went with 0.75. It works out really nicely. Players that have a bunch of catches, look, that is helpful in the NFL game. So it's helpful in the fantasy game yardage wise. I think we're pretty in lockstep there. I don't have return yards in my leagues. I kind of wish I did because I, I like when those players Get a little bit of a bonus. It helped out Debo in one or two weeks this year, like hugely. Big, big help there. So I kind of like that because it gives some. And it gives, you know, some of those wide receivers that you might not normally start, gives them a chance to score some points if they have to force them in there. So I, I don't have return yards, but I like it. Points for first down is huge. When on this sheet that you sent me and you know, like, you're like, what are the most important points for? First down is massive. Not enough leagues have that. And it should be a standard setting. Like more. It's more important than what the ppr setting is.0 ppr, whatever, that's fine. But at this point you should be awarding points for first downs. I tend to do half point for like half point for a receiving first down just because I don't do full ppr. So it's, it, it's kind of like a little bit scaled off of that. A lot of times I do a quarter point for a rushing first down and then a tenth of a point for a passing first down. So the quarterbacks get a little bit too if they make that throw past the sticks, throw it short of the first down. On third down, people, you know, give me that first down. So it's kind of a tiered system for how I award the, the, the first down scoring and then I do bump the tight ends. People just love tight end premium. I am an advocate that tight end premium doesn't matter unless it makes a player flexible. It doesn't matter if you're only comparing them to your tight ends at their position. It doesn't matter.
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Heath Cummings
Well, I think it, I. So I think where the only way I would argue with you is I think right now in Dynasty, it has a huge impact on Bowers and McBride because they catch so many more passes than the other tight ends.
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John Bosch
They become so good.
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Heath Cummings
Even more value. Like they're clear first round picks in tight end premium leagues in Dynasty leagues right now. Whereas Bowers might be in just regular leagues. McBride's certainly probably not. But no, I think that's a good point. I wanted to ask you.
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John Bosch
I compare it to Tiger proofing golf courses and they were like, well, let's just make it so many yards now because he can hit it so much further. All that did was benefit him.
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Heath Cummings
Right?
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John Bosch
Like, and so for me, tight end premium, it just makes Bowers even more. He's already super valuable.
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Heath Cummings
Yeah, absolutely. So I wanted to give you a.
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John Bosch
Second like he worth anything still.
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Heath Cummings
What's your favorite crazy league?
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John Bosch
Right now my favorite crazy league is. It's Ryan McDowell's. It's not even one of mine. It's. It's just my favorite things league. It has just about everything. And I mean Ryan is pretty infamous at this point. He started the kitchen sink leagues which were everything but the kitchen sink, hence the name, but is my favorite things. When he messaged me and we started talking about it, I was like, oh my gosh, Ryan, I want to play in this league. I do not want to have anything to do with running it because it is so commission intensive. The, the big, big things with that. And as he's got another league called death becomes you. These are. There's vampires in them. So if vampire leagues have become like my new addiction. If people don't know what a vampire league is, basically the team starts from way behind the eight ball. They get an auction budget of I think it was like 10 of what everybody else got. So. And they get no future draft picks. So in one of them I'm the vampire and then in another league I'm one of the mortals. So I get to play it from both sides. And it's really intriguing because if the vampire wins, they get to steal a player off that roster that they beat. So there, there's a lot of strategy in choosing your matchups, which we do on a weekly basis every week. There's no set schedule. You, there's a call out order so you choose who you're playing. That's really what just.
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Heath Cummings
Okay.
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John Bosch
It's so beyond like, like I said.
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Heath Cummings
I asked for a crazy league. I got a crazy league. That's, that's. I, I always know again, I can do this once a year. You've got 25 years worth of crazy leagues that you can go through for us. So I do appreciate that. We had one more question from Garrett in the chat. Started my first Dynasty league last year with apparently less fantasy inclined friends. Any fun ideas to boost in and out of season engagement?
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John Bosch
This is, this is the age old question of how do I make inactive people active? Change the people. You can't. You can't change people. You can change the people. You can't force activity. There's all kinds of things you can do and I'll give you a couple of ideas. I do them in mine. We have fun with them, but the active people have fun with them. The people that aren't active, they ignore them because that's just what happens. It's, it's there's really nothing you can do to force somebody to be active. You can try, you can institute like trade requirements and things like that, but people either don't do them and leave the league and hate it because of it, or they just do just the bare minimum to like get to the rule and so they don't get kicked out of the league. So to me, those don't really force the activity. A big key is choosing the right managers to start. That is always key. A couple of things that I do in mind that again, the active managers in mind. I do tend to have fairly active managers because I recruit at the end of the fantasy season. And that's the only people that are looking to join leagues in December are people that are really looking to join leagues in December right after the rest of everything is out. So that's one of the reasons I recruit for my leagues. At that time, I know I'm getting managers that they don't want to break. They want to constantly do something right. In my leagues, we do in February, that tends to be kind of the dead period because dispersal season's over at that point. We haven't really gotten to the point where we're talking about like heavy into the rookie season yet, you know, so we do a best ball draft or best ball auction mine, you know, sometimes. But basically it's just something we give a little bonus. It's never anything big. A lot of them are just bankroll leagues where you get an extra like $5 of bidding money or something like that. So there's no real prize. It's just some. Some sort of an activity for the league to get together, do a draft at the beginning of the season. The rookies aren't on their NFL teams yet, so we get a. It gives every one of my managers a chance to kind of start looking at some names they might not have seen yet. And I've gotten the feedback that people like that. They like having to. It kind of forces them to jump start, right? But then they're a little bit ahead in their other leagues. They've told me. So it's a really nice little activity thing right there. We do another basketball league in July or August, kind of after we've kind of all waited and at this point now, like training camps kicking off, people are getting excited and they want to just do something rather than start a new league. We can just do another little best ball where we give another little prize. Those are. Those are really like the most successful things I've ever had. Right where you can throw in, like, kind of increase activity artificially.
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Heath Cummings
So I think some, like something you do in, in some, at least one of your leagues is I think you have a deadline of maybe the day after the super bowl or a week after the super bowl where you have to get your roster legal again because people have taxi squad players that are going to have to come off. People have IR players that are going to have to come off. So you're going to have to cut a bunch of players to get to legal again going into the next season. And then you can have a vet auction or a vet draft in March. And then I think one of the other things is that by limiting activity for a certain period of the summer, especially like maybe after the rookie draft until training camp starts, you can create a little bit of excitement around the first free agency period of the preseason. And so that can get people involved. Like you haven't been able to add anybody for three months. You may even get some people messaging you, hey, when can we add people like, there. Your absence makes the heart grow fonder. So if it's open all year long and they're just getting emails every three months to tell them that, oh, Joe just picked up another player that I should have known was available and now I feel bad about myself as a fantasy football manager, I'm not sure that works. But if you can limit their activity for a month or two where they're not allowed to do anything, then they might be more willing to get involved. We're gonna have to limit the rest of the show, John, because we are rapidly approaching an hour.
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John Bosch
This.
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Heath Cummings
This tends to happen when you and I get together. I always love having you on. Enjoy talking to you again. I'd remind people, go check out fantasycares.org go follow John on Blue sky at John Bosch. And he will be promoting all kinds of stuff, the ways you can get involved with the Scott Fishbowl and other things. Thank you for being here today, John.
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John Bosch
Thanks for having me, as always. He is always fun. This is, you know me, this is like, I'm not gonna talk about players because I don't do that kind of research, but I will talk about leagues forever. Because to me, this is. This is. I'm a gamer. I like games, I like puzzles. I like things like that. So this is what makes my brain work and go crazy is. Is finding a new way to just play a strategy game that involves football.
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Heath Cummings
I also wanted to thank Thomas. Thank you to the YouTube chat you guys giving us the questions. Everybody listening. Wanted to remind you that I will be doing a one man mailbag at the very end of the month, prioritizing those five star reviews over on Spotify and Apple podcasts. So get those in, get your questions in. I'll answer as many of them as I can, and if I can't get to them on the pod, maybe we'll do a special article as well. We will talk to you on Friday.
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