Eight Players We Don't Talk About Enough (05/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (CBS Sports)

Episode: Eight Players We Don't Talk About Enough

Air Date: May 13, 2026

Host & Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into eight fantasy football players who haven’t gotten enough discussion this offseason. The crew analyzes their past production, current situations, future outlooks, and draft value – providing actionable fantasy advice for drafters looking for edges in 2026. The show features a heavy focus on running backs, a debated quarterback, and two top-20 wide receivers, with wide-ranging perspectives and healthy disagreement among the analysts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Framing the Episode: The "Unspoken 8" (02:06)

The panel outlines eight focus players:

• QB: Jackson Dart
• RB: RJ Harvey, Derrick Henry, Breece Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard
• WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown, Nico Collins

There’s an early acknowledgment that these players span a wide range of draft value and roles, with varying degrees of risk, upside, and projection volatility.

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Running Back Comparisons: Breece Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard

Touches & 17-Game Paces (04:00–09:00)

• All three RBs (Hall, Swift, Pollard) had similar workloads in 2025: ~14–15 carries/game and just over 2 catches/game.
• Notably, Swift had 11 total TDs, while Hall and Pollard had 4–5, despite similar volume.
• Hall is going several rounds ahead in drafts despite comparable surface stats.

Key Insight – Heath (05:04):

"Tony Pollard is probably being drafted too late... He's less than two points per game behind these guys, close to one point per game behind Swift. So yeah, I think that the lesson is that Tony Pollard's being drafted too low."

Quality of Offense & Touchdown Dependency

• Breece Hall’s fantasy value is held back by the Jets’ offensive struggles ("30th or worse in goal-line carries" for years).

• Dave warns:
  [06:22]

  "Draft players on good teams that score a lot of points... The end result is one of these running backs is projected for double digit touchdowns. The other two are projected for no more than five."

• Heath and Adam are slightly more optimistic that Hall can see a reception uptick with the new OC (Frank Reich) and Geno Smith, but usage concerns remain.

Workhorse Potential

• Jamie is firm that Hall has the highest true "workhorse" ceiling among the three:
  [09:00]

  "It's not close who has the most workhorse potential... the ceiling for him is for me significantly higher than the other two... But you know, we could be looking at a scenario in Chicago where it's, you know, 50, 50 split between Swift and Manangai."

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Player Mini-Deep Dives

Jackson Dart (QB, Giants)

[12:46–21:44]

• Heath projects ~22 PPG, QB9 status but flags uncertainty:

  "[Dart's] ways to success last year were not necessarily traditional for a starting quarterback in the NFL. Now he's got a new coordinator, new HC... There's some significant risk that... he just doesn't look near as good." (13:25)

• Jamie loves Dart’s rushing upside (40+ yds/game, 9 rushing TDs in 12 starts) and thinks all signs point to another step forward if Malik Nabers returns to full health.
• Dave is more cautious, worried about the sustainability of Dart’s rushing TDs, concussion risk, and questions at receiver:

  "[Almost] 40% of his fantasy points last year came on the ground. Nine rushing touchdowns. How much of that is sustainable? Are the coaches going to tell him, stop running, stop getting concussed, we need you on the field all the time?" (19:40)

• Dart is currently QB8 (91st overall) in early CBS-only fans drafts, notably strong value per the panel.

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RJ Harvey (RB, Broncos)

[21:59–26:03]

• Elevated fantasy value late in the season after J.K. Dobbins’ injury, but real-life production (3.4 YPC) was poor.
• Jamie sees his RB25 ADP as too high and thinks Jonah Coleman’s arrival spells trouble for Harvey’s long-term value.
• Heath gives a slight edge for Harvey over Dobbins only because of the pass-catching upside, but notes Coleman could muddy the waters.
• Dave: Harvey could be a “steal in fantasy” if he improves, but consensus is he belongs at the bottom of his RB peer tier.

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Derrick Henry (RB, Ravens, Age 32)

[26:03–29:29]

• Jamie places Henry as a late Round 2/early Round 3 pick in PPR, behind the likes of Hampton, Genti, Walker, Barkley.
• Jamie: "Father Time’s gonna catch up to him, but he just keeps dominating."
• Heath (28:25): "We're tired of getting our teeth kicked in. […] We finally just don't want to say it anymore."
• Dave outright:

  "He's awesome. Lots of touchdowns, lots of work. He's overcome it year after year. I think he's an easy round two click and that's in full PPR." (29:13)

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(Reprise) Breece Hall (RB, Jets)

[30:05–38:00+ & 44:00+]

• Reception upside debated:
  • Heath: "We've seen him be so much more involved in the passing game in the past and it is a new OC… but the team could be a bad offense and still be better than they were last year." (07:48)
  • Jamie: Hall's in a worse situation than pure talent and prior numbers would suggest; "He is elite at making big plays and also he's not consistent at gaining 4 yards." (31:30)
• Dave is skeptical:

  "Frank Reich has a very detailed history of using two running backs, one of them rushing, one on passing down. I think Breece is going to be taken off the field on passing downs again." (06:45)

• The crew worries about Braylon Allen and others vulturing goal-line work; Hall’s volume and receiving could bail him out, but TD projection is low.

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DeAndre Swift / Tony Pollard

[39:23–48:12]

• Jamie & Dave both highlight that Swift and Pollard are being undervalued because of their ADPs versus similarity in workload and production.
• Jamie’s take: "Swift is one of the most easy guys to put in the category of settle for and Pollard, I also sort of think he's toes the line of either settle for because you get past the the top 24ish running backs."
• Heath flags that Swift’s receiving production cratered in the back half of last year, casting doubt on his “safe” RB2 label.
• Pollard is described as a great mid-round value:
  • "[He’s] available in round seven or eight sometimes... That's where you settle for an RB2 and feel great about it." – Heath (46:40)

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Wide Receivers

Amon-Ra St. Brown (WR, Lions)

[49:02–51:12]

• Dave: “He is the safest first round pick you can make.” (50:18)
• Adam highlights the only minor concern: He was WR3 overall, but had fewer targets (8.3 per game) in 2024, a slight dip from the previous year.
• Both Dave and Heath agree that anything below 9–10 targets/game would be a disappointment for a top-6 pick, but consensus is St. Brown remains elite in volume and situation.

Nico Collins (WR, Texans)

[52:05–58:46]

• Jamie: Collins is a solid but not elite WR1: "He is what he is...the hope is that he stays healthy and that C.J. Stroud doesn’t start to maybe lean on Jaden Higgins or go back to, you know, sort of favoring Dalton Schultz."
• Heath and Adam worry about chronic health issues (“always is [hurt]”), but Adam is especially bullish on Collins’s upside if he falls to the 2/3 round turn.
• Dave compares Nico to AJ Brown: "Such a good target earner and he's been consistent for fantasy; last year kind of stunk a little bit and stunk a little bit for him means 15.1 PPR points per game." (55:51)
• All agree Collins is a preferred mid-round two receiver, with a solid floor and WR1 ceiling if healthy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Tony Pollard is probably being drafted too late is the lesson to be learned.”
— Heath, (05:04)

“Draft players on good teams that score a lot of points.”
— Dave, (06:22)

“It's not close of who has the most workhorse potential.”
— Jamie, on Breece Hall (09:00)

"He's awesome. Lots of touchdowns, lots of work... He's an easy round two click."
— Dave, on Derrick Henry (29:13)

"Father time's gonna catch up to him, but he just keeps dominating and dominating and dominating..."
— Jamie, on Derrick Henry (26:39)

"I would happily trade goal line work, all 0 goal line carries for Breece Hall, but he gets all the third down work."
— Heath, (37:46)

“He is the safest first round pick you can make [in full PPR].”
— Dave, on Amon-Ra St. Brown (50:18)

"Such a good target earner and he's been consistent for fantasy... I'd go even a little bit higher [than pick 23/24] on Nico Collins."
— Dave, (55:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Episode theme & list of eight players: 02:06–02:49
• Running back workload & value debate (Hall, Swift, Pollard): 04:00–10:42
• Jackson Dart breakdown: 12:46–21:44
• RJ Harvey viability: 21:59–26:03
• Derrick Henry’s ageless production: 26:03–29:29
• Breece Hall risk/benefit debate, coaching usage: 30:05–38:00
• Swift & Pollard: upside, ADP, usage shifts: 39:23–48:12
• Amon-Ra St. Brown analysis: 49:02–51:12
• Nico Collins role, upside, injury risk: 52:05–58:46

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Panel’s Draft Takeaways / Actionable Tips

• Pollard is a screaming mid-round value (often RD 7–8).
• Breece Hall’s risk is real in the Jets' offense, especially at Round 3 prices, but his ceiling remains.
• DeAndre Swift and Tony Pollard are “settle for” RB2s—don’t expect top-12 upside, but both should beat ADP if their usage holds.
• Derrick Henry is an ageless, boring, locked-in RB1. Draft him with confidence, especially in non-PPR.
• Amon-Ra St. Brown is the safest elite WR1—draft for floor in R1.
• Nico Collins, if he drops to the 2/3 turn, is a potential league-winner—beware injuries, but he’s a high-floor/high-ceiling WR1 when healthy.
• Jackson Dart is a tier below the truly elite QBs, but has significant rushing/dual-threat upside. Don’t reach, but take him if he falls outside the top 7 QBs.

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Closing Sentiment

The analysts stress process over results, care about “getting it right” for the community, and continually learn from misses. They advocate for digging into overlooked mid-round values and encourage listeners to challenge and update their own draft assumptions.

“This show was really helpful... I feel more comfortable drafting these eight players today than I did an hour ago.”
— Adam, (65:23)

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Transcript

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[Heath]

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[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, jam he.

[Adam]

What's up folks? Happy hump day. Wednesday, May 13 Players we don't talk about enough. There are eight of them. Jackson Dart, RJ Harvey, Derrick Henry, Bree Hall, Deandre Swift, Tony Pollard, a lot of running backs. Aman Ross, St. Brown. What's there to say about him? I don't know. I think there's something.

[Dave]

He's good.

[Adam]

And Nico Collins is the last one. Already a question in the chat. Can we talk about Isaiah Pacheco? No, but Jameer Gibbs is going to miss two to three games with a low ankle sprain. Don't Worry about it. It's not a huge deal. Pacheco. You're gonna spend all your fab on Pacheco and then you're gonna thank me. Thanks for putting him on my radar.

[Heath]

We don't do that. That was one of the first things I learned on the FFT podcast is we don't do that.

[Adam]

You know, if it's two to three games with a low ankle sprain, it's fine. I think it's fine.

[Jamie]

What did I call you before the show started?

[Adam]

Not repeatable. Not repeatable.

[Jamie]

Oh, it's. It's repeatable.

[Adam]

No, no, please, no. Started with

[Jamie]

no.

[Adam]

It don't rhyme with Jamie. It started with an A and ended with an E. Okay. Anyway, welcome everyone and thank you for watching. Listening to fantasy football today. So we're going to talk about those three run three running backs in a similar big range, But Bree Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard, hall at the front of it and Pollard at the back of it. And they had two of them, Bree hall and. And Tony Pollard all. And sorry, Bree Hall, Tony Pollard and Jameer Gibbs, they all had 242 to 243 carries last year. Gibbs had 13 rushing touchdowns, Pollard had five, hall had four. So let's take a look at some 17 game pace comparisons between the two. The three running backs that I mentioned that we have talked about enough. Yeah, pretty cool, right?

[Dave]

That is a nice graph.

[Adam]

Schaefer with for the win, Breeze Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard, their 17 game paces, they were all 14 to 15 carries per game, two catches to a little bit more than two catches per game, 33 to 38 catches for 17 games and I don't know, you know, Heath, I was just looking. You do projections I was just looking at the touches are pretty similar from based on last year's 17 game paces for Breeze, Hall, DeAndre Swift and Tony Pollard. But hall is going to go probably four rounds roughly ahead of Tony Pollard, three to four rounds ahead of Pollard. And Swift is the only one who scored a lot of touchdowns. He scored 11 total touchdowns. The other guys scored five. So is there a lesson to be learned from looking at these touches? Again, if you're not looking at it, It's Breece Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard, 14 to 15 carries per game, about two or a little bit more than two catches per game. But Swift had by far the best fantasy season and he's not the first one drafted. And anyway, is there any lesson to be learned from looking at these guys and where they're getting drafted and where they should be getting drafted.

[Heath]

I think like Tony Pollard is probably being drafted too late is the lesson to be learned. When I look at my projections, I have hall and Swift, I think separated by 7 total in the projections. The RB17 and RB18 in my projections. Pollard though is like RB21. Now I rank him a little bit lower because I don't think the upside maybe is quite as high for Tony Pollard, but he's, he's only like, he's less than two points per game behind these guys, close to one point per game behind Swift. So yeah, I think that the lesson is that Tony Pollard's being drafted too low.

[Adam]

Dave, Another possible lesson here is that unless the jets offense is going to get a lot better, Breece hall might be being drafted too high because he has been on a team that has been 30th or worse in goal lined rush attempts or rush attempts inside the five yard line. I think maybe three, whatever three straight years. He, Breeze hall had two goal line carries last year. And I looked, I mean there is a strong correlation between good offenses and just plays run inside the five yard line. It makes sense. Right? So you know, are we factoring that in enough for Breece Hall?

[Dave]

We should be. I'm not, I'm not sure if everybody is. The graphic that you're seeing is a billboard for draft players on good teams that score a lot of points. Yeah, Chicago, was that last year. The jets, the Titans, not so much. The end result is one of these running backs is projected for double digit touchdowns. The other two are projected for no more than five.

[Adam]

No, not, I wouldn't say projected. That was their 17 game pace.

[Dave]

The pace, the pace, I'm sorry. Correct. That makes it even worse. I, I also don't think that Frank Reich is the play caller and Geno Smith as the quarterback are about to change the fortunes of the jets offense compared to the last however many years that you were talking about. In fact, Frank Reich has a very, very detailed history of using two running backs, one of them rushing, one of them on passing down. I think Breeze is going to be taken off the field on passing downs again. And there's no guarantee that A he's going to get a lot of those goal line touchdowns that we love and B, that he will be the only running back that will be used on rushing downs because Braylon Allen is still there and they could sprinkle him in. And that just might be an Aaron Glenn philosophy more so than a Frank Reich philosophy. Breeze is somebody that I'm not very Excited to draft. He's like a desperation bottom of the barrel RB2. And that's why I wouldn't take him. Certainly I think I'd rather have Swift. I wouldn't rather have Pollard though. I think Breeze is probably the one I'd pick ahead of Pollard.

[Heath]

I'm a little more optimistic in a bounce back in receptions for Breeze hall because we've seen him be so much more involved in the passing game in the past and it is a new offensive coordinator. And I think that you can think like Geno Smith and Frank Reich may not be exciting, but this team was 29th in points, 29th in yards, 29th in, I think offensive, like they were really low in offensive plays run also. So they could be a bad offense and still be better than they were last year.

[Adam]

I'm excited. I'm. I'm optimistic too about Breece Hall, Heath, because I think, yeah, I mean he, he's got such a, he's got a great track record as a pass catcher. He's been really good at that. Dave, you're right, he didn't have the third down roll last year, but he could still have more than 38 catches. And, and I think. Yeah, yeah. And Jamie, I would say, would you say that Breeze hall has like, you look at the 17 game paces, he was on pace for 258 carries, Swift 237, Pollard 242. But do you think Breeze hall has the most workhorse potential of these three? Like, do you think he could eclipse 258 carries, maybe even push close to 300?

[Jamie]

It's not close of who has the most workhorse potential. I mean, you know, you're talking about, you know, who the number two running back is in Chicago. There may be three guys in Tennessee if they use Tai J Sharp and Singleton who's, you know, gotten positive reviews in rookie minicamp and you know, a lot of talk if he'd come out in 2025 as opposed to 2026, where he would be, you know, as a prospect. I think you're just looking at it. Breeze hall, for the most part, everything has worked out in a positive manner. Not to the optimal positive manner because as Dave alluded to, you know, Geno Smith and Frank Reich's not exactly what we were hoping for, but it is an upgrade. And I think to his point, you know, like, can it get worse? Sure. Will it get worse? Probably not. I mean, again, you know, they've invested a lot in their offense this off season. You know, two first round picks on the offense spending the money on Breece hall, you know, and I think that kind of factored into some of the usage last year. Like the ceiling for him is for me significantly higher than the other two. Again, the offense pulls him back and the situation isn't the, the best. But you know, I mean, we could be looking at a scenario in Chicago where it's, you know, 50, 50 split between swift and, and Manangai and Heath is right. I think Pollard is a little undervalued. But if they decide to use Singleton and still use Sharp and take Pollard off the field in some circumstances while the offense got better, I think the play caller is better. I think the, you know, circumstances are better with just everything around him. It's still a timeshare that could be a little bit messy. So I, I think Paul is the one you want to draft. I think Swift is the one you kind of want to settle for. And I think Pollard just kind of that guy that I kind of marry him and, and Chuba Hubbard together. Just two very good value picks that should lead their offenses in touches and hopefully in better situations than they were a year ago.

[Adam]

Jamie is failing the name. That Taj game. He said sharp. Yes, but other than that, excellent memories. All right, so Breeze, Hall, DeAndre, Tony Pollard, three players we'll talk about a little bit later. Let me get to the news and notes for. Oh, you know what, actually, let me just give one quick thing on DeAndre Swift. Kyle Menangai got more involved beginning in week seven. That was their sixth game of the year. In the first five games for Swift, he was on pace for like, like, man, damn it. Where is it? 223 ish. Basically the same amount as the last 11 games. Here we go. First five games was on pace for 238 carries. Last 11 games he was on pace for 237 carries. But he went from 75% of the running back carries to 55% of the running back carries. They just ran the ball so much in those last 11 games. So that's just another thing when you think about that pace. If they don't run the ball as much and he gets 55% of the carries, the Andre Swift, he's not going to have 230 carries most likely. All right, news and notes, just real quick. Michael Penix is making progress. I believe he practiced a little bit or was on the field, so that's cool. Bucky Irving? Not yet. He's still recovering from off season shoulder surgery. According to espn, Jacoby Reset has been told that he is the starting quarterback for the Cardinals. Remember, he wants a new contract. And according to the Athletic jets, wide receiver Adonai Mitchell seems pretty locked into the number two wide receiver role. So they'll have their rookie Omar Cooper in the slot, I guess. And Adonai Mitchell will get a lot of playing time. He's exciting at times. The big news is that on Friday we're on CBS sports network at 1:00pm Eastern. So please join us for that. Check out CBS Sports Network 1pm Eastern for a special edition. We'll be reacting to the schedule and much more on CBS Sports Network 1pm Eastern on Friday. All right, let's start. Players we don't talk about enough. We'll go to the quarter app the the lone quarterback on this list, Heath Jackson Dart. I'll talk about Jackson Dart all day, baby. You know He he made 12 starts and he was good enough to be QB 8 in 4 point, QB 9 and 6 point for passing touchdown leagues, which actually surprised me. I thought it was more, but he had a zero point game against the Vikings. Aside from that, man, he was amazing. 24.7 points per game in six point leagues in the other 11 starts. So do you think he can be that good again? Not maybe necessarily 24.7, but yeah, I'll throw out 23 points per game. You think that's realistic for Jackson Dart?

[Heath]

I think that's probably not far off. I've got him projected I think for 22, so that's like he's my QB9 in a tier with QB8. Yeah, QB. Like I don't think he's quite the borderline QB1. It's almost like there's the really good guys and then there's the solid QB ones and then there's the borderline QB1s and so he's kind of, kind of in a smallish tier. I I don't know if this makes any sense or not, but I think we still have quite a bit to learn about Jackson Dart and the ways that they found success last year were not necessarily traditional for an offense or a starting quarterback in the NFL. And now he's got a new coordinator, he's got a new head coach. Hopefully he has his elite wide receiver one back. But I, I think the expectation should be that he's going to be a starter. He has upside because of his legs, but there is some significant risk that like playing in a new system, he just doesn't look near as good.

[Adam]

Jamie, your thoughts on Dart?

[Jamie]

I mean obviously very excited. You know you look at what he was able to accomplish last year, he did that in a half with Malik Neighbors. Neighbors got injured in week four. That was Dart's first start. The, the really, I think the thing that sways it for me is how much will he run versus how much will they sort of try to protect him based on the injuries that he sustained last year, you know, with the concussion situation. So if you just take his 12 start to remove the, the partial games that he played in the beginning part of the season, he was second in terms of rushing yards per game behind only Justin Fields. So, you know, over 40 yards per game in those 12 starts. That's clearly something that you want to, you know, gravitate toward. Tied for second in the NFL and rushing touchdowns for quarterbacks behind Josh Allen with nine. That's obviously something that's probably not repeatable, but clearly something that you look at and say, okay, you know, this is why he is a very good fantasy quarterback. And now you give him a full season of Malik Neighbors, hopefully a full season of Isaiah. Likely losing Wando Robinson sucks, but I think just the combination of Darnell Mooney and Likely and you know, obviously Neighbors makes everything better. You said this a lot, Adam. And so it's kind of going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Will they be a run heavy team? Well, their running back is coming off a pretty significant injury as well, so that sort of factors into this also. So I think you just sort of put Dart in context of does he have, you know, Heath brought this up. I, I don't think it was a, a breakout category, but you know, Jane Daniels and where he's at going into, you know, 2026, coming off an injury, what we saw from him as a rookie, Caleb Williams and, and his potential, Justin Herbert and you know, new offense there, you know, so once you get past really the top, I think four quarterbacks will probably be locked in of Alan Jackson, May Burrow. I think that's probably how ADP will sort of view it. Those younger quarterbacks, Dak, maybe Stafford, you know, looking at those guys, like there's just, I think a lot to like about all of them and, and Dart may end up being the best, to be honest with, you know, so it's a matter of, you know, do you, do you want to buy into what you saw last year without the most pristine situation going on? And now he's got his receivers, he's got a new tight end, he's got, you know, like, like all these things that are in his favor. Plus you know, a beefed up offensive line as well by getting, you know, a tackle guard in the first round.

[Adam]

Jackson Dart scored 24 or more fantasy points and 7 of 12 starts. He was so good. We're gonna take a quick break and get Dave's thoughts on Jackson Dart when we come back. Is Dave optimistic? Pessimistic? Looking at we actually have some adp. Dave's been running these only fans drafts and Jackson Dart is QB8 but he's going 91st. It's not a lot of drafts, but that's a really pretty good spot for Jackson Dart. We'll be right back to talk about him on fft we all belong outside. We're drawn to nature. Whether it's the recorded sounds of the ocean we doze off to or the succulents that adorn our homes, Nature makes all of our lives, well, better. Despite all this, we often go about our busy lives removed from it, but the outdoors is closer than we realize with all trails. You can discover trails nearby and experience explore confidently with offline maps and on trail navigation. Download the free app today and make the most of your summer with Alltrails. Real skin results Start with one daily ritual Meet daily Microfoliant from Dermalogica. This iconic exfoliating powder activates with water to gently polish away dullness and uneven texture. It leaves skin instantly smoother and more luminous while supporting your skin barrier. Formulated with professional expertise to deliver visible results daily, even on sensitive skin. Discover your healthiest skin today. Visit dermalogica.com and use code Smooth at checkout for an exclusive gift with your $65 purchase. You know that thing where you get an amazing pair of shoes at a really great price and want to tell everyone about it?

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[Adam]

Okay, Dave, so we've seen CJ Stroud take a huge step back. Anthony Richardson, huge step back. Baker Mayfield comes to mind as a guy who had a good rookie season and a bad second season. But they're not all bad. Obviously. Drake May was great. Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, they were great in their second seasons after, you know, very promising or. Or just great rookie seasons where do you think Jackson Dart ends up. Is he going to be great? Is he going to be terrible? Somewhere in between.

[Dave]

I'm not ready to commit to either of those answers at this point because I want to know if Malik Neighbors is back on the field and good to go and when we're drafting. At this point in the middle of the off season, I think we have to lean toward neighbors being 85% of himself this year coming back from the ACL. Hopefully he's better than that. And if he's there and he's 85 of what we saw as rookie year, I would lean toward Jackson Dart being a great fantasy pick, especially. What'd you say? He's going 91st in ADP, in our fans mock drafts.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's.

[Dave]

That's amazing value. I feel like you're stealing him. There are some things that I don't love. I don't love that almost 40 of his fantasy points last year came on the ground. Nine rushing touchdowns. How much of that is sustainable? Are the coaches going to tell him, stop running, stop getting concussed, we need you on the field all the time? Does that change the way he plays? Does that make him a worse quarterback? And then obviously, is that receiving core going to be great? Is Neighbors going to be 85% of himself or is it going to be 65% of himself? Is Isaiah likely going to be good for more than just, you know, a game here or there? Or is he going to be the same guy that he's been his entire career? Is there going to be somebody else who steps up like Wandell Robinson stepped up last year? These are all big questions. I. I think the one thing that I feel great about is what Jamie mentioned, the offensive line. I think the Giants offensive line could be one of the best in football. And if that line is protecting Dart, that should make Dart's life easier, both as a passer and as a runner, but certainly more so as a passer. It could give him an extra half second to make throws, and if that's what's happening, then he's not running as much. So I'm kind of sitting on the fence here with Jackson Dart at this point. He's my QB6. I'm fine with that. I'm fine taking him for the upside ahead of Dak Prescott. Jalen hurts. The ADP so far with our fan drafts doesn't reflect that they've got Hertz going ahead of time.

[Adam]

Yeah. Happy birthday to Jackson Dart. How about Jackson Dart's birthday and only Dan Schneier knew this. Dan Schneier came into the chat to alert us. It is Jackson Dart's birthday.

[Heath]

Dave gave him a nice present saying that he has more upside than Jalen Hurts.

[Adam]

You disagree?

[Jamie]

He does.

[Heath]

Yeah, I disagree. I think. I think. I mean, I'm the constant Jalen Hurts defender. But Jalen Hurts has the upside of throwing 30 touchdown passes and rushing for 10 and being one of the best quarterbacks in fantasy football. Not sure. There's like maybe Josh Allen has more and Lamar Jackson have more upside than Jalen Hurts.

[Dave]

But Dart just ran for nine touchdowns and he put up his numbers last year without Malik Neighbors. And Jalen Hurts is losing AJ Brown. So I think they both have a lot of upside. I don't mind if you take Hertz ahead of Dart. Right now. I'm taking Dart ahead of Hertz.

[Adam]

Okay. It's also two Hurts and a Dart. All right. RJ Harvey is next on the players we don't talk about enough list. He was the number 24 running back per game in full PPR, but he was number 14 per game in full PPR from weeks 11 through 18 without J.K. dobbins when he averaged only 3.4 yards per carry. But he averaged 7.5 touches per game when J.K. dobbins was healthy. Jamie, is there any reason I should be excited about RJ Harvey?

[Jamie]

No, I. I don't. I don't love the situation for him, unfortunately. I think he was. He benefited greatly from J.K. dobbins injury. He great. He benefited greatly from Jalil McLaughlin and. And Tyler Bidet not getting work at the end of the season. He obviously struggled when Dobbins was healthy. And now you're throwing Jonah Coleman in the mix and it just feels as if his ADP at RB25 is way too high. And at best you're hoping for him to sort of establish himself as the pass catching guy. Sean Payton said this week that they like Jonah Coleman or he's surprised by Jonah Coleman. I forgot I phrased it, but like, you know, his work in the passing game, which he did quite well at Washington. So could we be looking at just a guy that's going to have to benefit from an injury once again and not only benefit from an injury, but prove that he's significantly better than the rookie that they just drafted in round four with very limited draft capital? So I loved RJ Harvey last season. I thought this was, you know, one of the rookies that was going to take off. It clearly did not happen. And then it was really just benefiting from fantasy production as opposed to actual production because he did not run the ball very well. Got the chance behind still a very good offensive line and what was a good offense. It just, it, it didn't work out the way I was hoping for for RJ Harvey and I think it got worse from this offseason.

[Adam]

Heath, should we be even taking RJ Harvey ahead of J.K. dobbins?

[Heath]

I would still take RJ Harvey ahead of JK Dobbins just because of the past catching upside. I wonder if we see even more short dump offs to the running backs from Bo Nix with him coming off of the significant injury and maybe he doesn't run quite as much or scramble quite as much. And then I think like the Jonah Coleman pick was potentially a bad sign for RJ Harvey, but it's also a day three running back. And we've seen a Sean Payton draft a lot of guys and say nice things about them in the summer and then give them like 25 touches in their, in their rookie season. So I don't, yeah, I don't want to make too much out of Jonah Coleman.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean RJ Harvey was, was only getting seven and a half touches per game before the Dobbins injury. But you're right. John Payton, Sean Payton is a coach who says a lot. We have to kind of parse through it a little bit. Dave, this is a guy I don't think we have to spend a ton of time on. But give me a final thought on RJ Harvey.

[Dave]

He could be very good. It just comes down to if he can make strides from year one to year two. He was great for fantasy overall, especially after dobbins got hurt. 18.6 or more PPR points in four of seven regular season games. If, if he improves this offseason, he shows he's better than he was last year, maybe his vision's better. Then he could end up being a steal in fantasy.

[Heath]

I, I think it's a really interesting and I'm probably higher on Harvey, maybe even having him with these guys, but really interesting decision to make in the middle rounds between Harvey Tootin and Jadarian Price.

[Jamie]

It's not close for me.

[Adam]

He's easily last for me.

[Dave]

Yeah, he's the last for me too. But it's. I think he belongs at the bottom of that tier.

[Heath]

Right. But we're getting very ex like Harvey did so much more to make us excited last year than Tootin and Jadarian. Bryce is a career backup running back in college.

[Adam]

So who's first for you guys at Trio Price.

[Heath]

I've got Harvey right now.

[Dave]

The Price is right.

[Heath]

I don't want to be the rj. I was the. I feel like Jamie and I just switched places on RJ Harvey.

[Adam]

All right, next up is Derrick Henry. I don't know if any of us are the Derrick Henry guys. You reluctantly hit that draft button at some point in the second round on a 32 year old. He was 31 last year and he was RB7 per game and he got off to a slow start and then was freaking dominant again. Even when Lamar Jackson got hurt late in the season, I think he scored just like 40 points without him. In one of the later games of the year, it was against Green Bay. Maybe just a amazing player. Derrick Henry, an ageless, wonderful Jamie. When should Derrick Henry be drafted?

[Jamie]

It's clearly format specific, but I think in PPR or half PPR for me it's late round two, early round three. He's, he's in that mix of guys at least for me with so behind Hampton and Genti, you know that's like running back seven and eight. It's Ken Walker, Saquon Barkley, Jeremiah Love. Maybe missing somebody there, but that's to me where Derrick Henry belongs. There's at some point Father time's gonna catch up to him, but he just keeps dominating and dominating and dominating and we say the same thing year after year. I, I hope that you know, you don't like, I think like you said Adam like he's, he's kind of a settled for pick as, as opposed to somebody that you target and you know this is what we sort of fall victim to that he has not fallen victim to but we fall victim to of. In ppr. Are you chasing touchdowns versus chasing receptions this position. And so he's been so successful at scoring touchdowns that it's hard to overlook that, that it's not a consistent stat for him despite the fact that he doesn't catch the ball very much. So I don't think that's going to change. I don't think, you know, going from Greg Roman to Declan Doyle is, is necessarily the, the change that's going to matter for, for, for Derek Henry very much. But I, I think you're just looking at. And it was Greg Roman. Even the office corner list or my. Am I blanking?

[Adam]

No, Greg Chargers offensive coordinator. It was, it was the Browns coach.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I don't know. I said Greg Roman. You know you go from Monk into to Declan Doyle and it's. I don't think something that's anything changes, like, you know, just, you know what Derrick Henry is at this point. He's, he's a very good back end RB1.

[Heath]

I think the reason we haven't really talked about him is the same reason like that we don't hear azer talk as much trash about tennis with Dan anymore. It's like we, we talked trash year after year about how he was going to fall off the mountain and King Henry stays on top of the mountain. And finally we just, like, we don't want to say it anymore. It's tired of getting our teeth kicked in.

[Adam]

Yeah, look, to call him a back end, a low end RB1 or whatever Jamie just called him is kind of an insult to Derrick Henry because once in the last seven years, he's finished worse than RB7 per game in PPR. Twice in the last seven years, he's finish worse than fourth. Last year was seventh. Last year was a little bit worse than what he. He usually is. David, is there any concern about Derrick Henry other than age?

[Dave]

Nope. He's awesome. Lots of touchdowns, lots of work. He's overcome it year after year. I think he's an easy round two click and that's in full ppr. He's around one click in non ppr. But you already knew that. All four of you that play in non PPR leagues.

[Adam]

All right, so if you had to go with the sort of unprovenness of Omarion Hampton or Ashton Genti in full PPR or Derrick Henry. Let's get all three of you ranked. Those three. Genti Hampton Henry.

[Heath]

Heath, Genti Hampton Henry.

[Adam]

Dave Hampton, Genti Henry, Jamie Same Hampton, Genti Henry. Okay. All right, next player we don't talk about enough is Breece Hall. So should we group?

[Dave]

We've already talked enough about him on this show.

[Adam]

All right,

[Heath]

Here's one positive thing that I'll say about Breeze hall is there was a year under Franco Reich with the last full season he coached with the Colts when Jonathan Taylor led the NFL in rush attempts, it was clear that he was the best running back on the team. And Frank Reich gave him almost all of the running back touches. And that is not what I'm projecting is going to happen. But it gives us a glimmer of hope that we stop with this Isaiah Davis nonsense. And the guy who has been a remarkably efficient running back catching passes, I think he was over 7 yards per target last year as a running back is insane. And they're like, you know what, maybe we should just throw the ball to the running back who's really good in

[Adam]

the passing game since entering the NFL in 2022. Breeze hall is fourth among running backs in yards per out run. He's ninth in yards per catch. He's 14th in yards per target. He's really good at it. You're right. Does anyone think that he is still an elite rusher like what we saw in seven games as a rookie?

[Jamie]

No, I mean him as a player. Yes. Him and his situation. Probably the tier below that.

[Heath]

I think he's kind of Ken Walker. Like he is elite at making big plays and also he's not consistent at gaining 4 yards.

[Adam]

He has been pretty low in the, in the rate of. He's been pretty bad I guess in the 0 and negative carry, 0 yard and negative yard carry rate stat. So yeah, he is a little bit of a home run hitter, I guess. Remember they didn't have Elijah Vera Tucker last year and Dave, I think they

[Dave]

don't have him anymore.

[Adam]

But, but do you think that they can. Do you think they have a good offensive line? Because people talk about they going into last year before the injury to Vera Tucker. The jets look like the jets might have a really good offensive line. But you think they're in that, in that discussion of actually being a good team up front.

[Dave]

I think they are. I think they do have a good offensive line. I just, I don't know if I believe that they're going to lean on it enough and make it work enough for Breece hall to suddenly turn into a hyper efficient running back, which he's going to have to do. Or they give him that passing downs rule that Heath suggested. Heath should write an email to the jets and suggest exactly that. And maybe they think about it if something like that would happen because that efficiency is awesome. But I just don't think that they're wired that way. I don't think Aaron Glenn's wired that way. And I sure as hell no Frank Reich is. Isn't wired that way. Because you can go back and look at his track record and he's always used two backs. Even when Jonathan Taylor had that monster year. You know that year that Taylor had. He talked about it. That's only one of three times in 10 seasons as a play caller that Frank Reich had a running back average, 15 plus PPR points per game three times in 10 years. And Geno Smith, not only.

[Jamie]

Who are those, who are those guys? Just for comment.

[Dave]

Well, Melvin Gordon is on the list. Taylor multiple years. Like he's in Philadelphia. He had some okay running Backs there too. It's not like he's been around bad running backs over the course of his career. And Breeze is a good running back, there's no question about it. But Gino's also had a terrible track record of throwing to his running backs and getting his running backs north of 15 PPR points. He did it once with. With Kenneth Walker. That's in six seasons as a starter. I think this is a bad situation for Breeze Hall. I'm going to avoid him in drafts.

[Adam]

I think each of the last two years though, the running back target rate's been pretty good for Virgino Smith.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

Because Ken Walker had that big season two years ago with the catches. Was that two years ago? I think. And obviously Ash and Genti, that's kind of all he did. But I do think it's. It's you. You know, again comparing those 17 game paces of the three running backs, Hall, Swift, Pollard, I feel like you're one of them. Is either going to have to score a lot of touchdowns like Swift did or can we get to 50 catches? I don't think Pollard has a chance at that and I don't think. I really don't think Swift does either but.

[Dave]

And I don't think hall does either. That's why they're getting drafted well, that's why they should be drafted in round four plus. But Breeze's ADP so far is top 36.

[Heath]

And to your point, Adam? I think there were 90 catches for the Seattle running backs in Geno's last year there.

[Adam]

Yeah, that was a weird year. He threw the ball a ton of. But yeah, I don't know. I guess my thought was he could just get more catches because last year they had Justin Fields and to Rod Taylor for most of the season and those guys run the ball so much. Geno Smith's probably going to throw, I don't know, throw out a number five more times per game than what the jets did. Let's just hope Gino keeps the job. But I don't know. I guess I'm. I want to believe in Breeze hall, you know, I feel like he's a really good player. He's been caught in a crappy situation.

[Dave]

He said it himself.

[Adam]

Did he?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What do you say he.

[Dave]

Well, we already know from when Jamie talked to Breeze hall at the combine that he's got a very, very high opinion of himself and he should. But he said he's a top 10 running back who's been in some tough situations. Yeah, this is going to be another year of that. I mean, this jets offense isn't going to be good.

[Adam]

The way to the, the way to overachieve as a running back on a bad offense is, is to catch passes. I kind of feel like that. Well, you can't really predict touchdowns. Five is really low. But it's been three years in a row with four or five rushing touchdowns for Breece Hall. But you can't predict it as well. But maybe we can hope for some more catches for him.

[Jamie]

And look, it's, it's, there's been excuses for it too. You know, he had the injury situation in 2024, you know, the end of the year where he was dealing with that knee injury. He had the year before that where he was coming off the ACL tear, you know, so it was like, okay, can he, you know, still be successful? I think for the most part everybody would say that was a win, the way that he performed that season. But, you know, it's now full year of health, got the contract extension. I'm sort of in line with Heath and you know, I was very high on Braylon Allen last off season. Like these, these feel like they're just guys and you know, Braylon Allen, Isaiah Davis, taking Breece hall, who just got this monster contract extension off the field feels like stupidity. And then it comes down to like, which version of jets coach versus management Dubai narrative. Because Aaron Glenn is probably coaching for his job. So that would suggest lean on Breeze Hall. Management may be looking at it as, okay, we get our new coach in 2027 after we get this quarterback class come through and now we have our, you know, I mean, they've built up around everything but the quarterback, you know, so they're, they're sort of banking on, I think getting one of Those guys in 2027 and Aaron Glenn might not be around to coach that.

[Heath]

Here's a fun stat. Breeze hall had 36 catches last year. Geno Smith has had three running backs in the last two years with more than 40 catches.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Adam]

Yeah, I hope it happens. Breeze. All but I get last thing on Hall. I wouldn't be shocked if Braylon Allen mixed in at the goal line.

[Heath]

Yep, I agree with that.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Because it happens.

[Dave]

Oh, good. That makes it even easier to pass on Breeze Hall.

[Adam]

Although I didn't remember this until this morning. Braylon Allen suffered his season ending MCL injury on a carry from the six yard line that he was about to take in the end zone and he fumbled at the goal line. It was about a 15 play. Very impressive drive. That was so close to being a touchdown. He fumbled. Dolphins recovered. I believe things the Dolphins and then

[Heath]

I would happily trade goal line work all 0 goal line carries for Breeze hall, but he gets all the third down work 100% deal. Oh yeah, because it's probably a trade of like 70 snaps to two.

[Adam]

Like I said they had, they had I think five goal line carries. He had two last year. All right, we'll take a break and come back with some final thoughts on Swift and Pollard and and then we'll get to the two wide receivers, St. Brown and Nico. We'll be right back. Brought to you by Apple Card hey,

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Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch Terms and more at Apple co benefits Jamie DeAndre Swift turned 257 touches into a top 14, or let's say top 15 finished, depending on the format. Last year per game, Tony Pollard turned 275 touches into RB28 per game. So obviously touchdowns are the big difference there. 12 touchdowns for notes, 10, 10 touchdowns for Swift and five for Tony Pollard in one more game than Swift. Your thoughts on these two players, do they feel similar to you? Other than the touchdowns, do you see one with a lot of upside? Do you see one with a lot of downside?

[Jamie]

Pollard and Swift, I think they do feel very similar. You know, you look at the situation, I, I do expect there to be competition for both of these guys. I'm hoping it's not three for Pollard. They're definitely going to be, you know, two guys sharing the ball in Chicago, as we saw at the end of last season from week seven on, as you, you know, previously alluded to look, Pollard avoided the ultimate, you know, pitfall of what would have happened if Jeremiah, Jeremiah Love was sitting there at four, you know, so getting Nicholas Singleton on day three is clearly a win overall, but it's still adding another guy to the mix when you have a new coaching staff. And does that sort of change things for a guy who's getting close to 30? So Pollard was really good at the end of last season. I think the guy that we saw in those final, you know, stretch of games, I think it was four or five games hopefully carries over this year and we get that type of workhorse role Swift is is interesting just because the Bears you know again depending on how you view strength of schedule they have the toughest strength of schedule with the 2025 common opponents or 25 opponents. Excuse me. I also think you know you mentioned this when you talked about Eric B. Enemy going back to Kansas City. Well he just left Chicago and Ben Johnson was raving about B in his role in the run game and so losing that as a coach I don't think it's like that the type of thing that you completely changes your opinion or or how you view Swift and or or Manangai but that is a loss I think that could be felt and it certainly has been felt in Kansas City when the enemy left what the run game has looked like there. So for me, you know Dave said this about Hall. I think Swift is one of the most easy guys to put in the category of settle for and Pollard, I also sort of think he's toes the line of either settle for because you get past the the top 24ish running backs. My guess is ADP will settle somewhere between like 23 and 28 and that's kind of why I I sort of put him with Chuba harbor because I think they'll be in the same range. Like it's very easy to see Pollard being the best running back for Tennessee. It's very easy to see the Titans offense getting better. It's very easy to see Pollard having at least one more good if not potentially great season. But you could also see him sharing with Spears, sharing with Singleton offense not getting better in Tennessee and the Bears offense is continuing to be a little bit better, a little bit more productive and obviously more touchdown friendly. That's why I would give Swift just a slight nod over Pollard.

[Adam]

Dave, your thoughts on what Jamie just said and anything else with these guys.

[Dave]

I'm pretty much in line with what Jamie's saying about Swift. I'm a little worried about just how much more Monongai could take off the plate from last year. I don't like that there were 12 games last year when Swift had 15 or more touches and you know there were only five games with 14.8 or more PPR points. So what is what does that really mean? Like how much of this is Swift? Even though he gets a lot of work, it doesn't guarantee a lot of fantasy production won't necessarily be a stud for our teams. Just more of like that okay settle for type of RB2 but in full PPR. That's a dude who's going to catch more passes than somebody like I think Bruce hall, for example. And that. That's something that gives me the nod to take Swift ahead of Breeze, both of them over Pollard. Would it surprise me if Pollard was better? No, it wouldn't. Because I, like Jamie said, easy to see Tennessee being a better offense overall. Really like that. Brian Dable is going to be the play caller there too. I think that that'll help Pollard, who did come alive toward the end of the year last year when he said he started to feel like his old self. Maybe a full off season will only help him feel more like himself.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

The.

[Heath]

The thing I'm worried about is that one of the things that Dave said was Swift catching more passes than Breeze. Like the, the rushing production didn't really go down when they started splitting. The, the receiving production for Swift really cratered in the second half of the year. He had 11 catches in his last eight games.

[Dave]

Was that a Manangai thing or was that an office?

[Adam]

It was a Caleb thing and.

[Heath]

Well, I think it was a Caleb thing and it was a. He was like he was off the field every other drive, just like it wasn't like he was off the field until third downs or something. Like he was just off the field every other drive and he had like 34 catches on the year was actually two fewer than Breeze last year. And it really went down in the second half of the season. Just for reference, in the first eight games of the year, he was on pace for 49 catches.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave]

When was it that guy started to take a roll, Adam?

[Adam]

Week seven.

[Jamie]

You said week seven. I'd be very surprised if, if Swift had more receptions than Bruce hall, if both are healthy.

[Adam]

So that's the thing. It's like I think we've kind of. That's why I brought up that. That graphic and Thomas is going to throw it up one more time. That graphic of. Of these three running backs of breeze, Hall, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard and how they were on pace for a similar amount of touches. Again, 14 to 15 carries and about 2 to 2.2 catches per game. And the difference for Swift was touchdown. Swift's had one of his best seasons ever in fantasy. He finished as a top 15 running back. It was a bit of a weak year for running backs most seasons. What he averaged would have been closer to RB20, which is kind of like where he lives between 20 and 24. But I think what I'm trying to say is like if you look at a player and you think they're going to get about 17 touches a game, 14 to 15 carries, about two catches a game, right?

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

One, can they score? Two, can they increase their catches? It's a huge question. And when I was doing this research for this show, guys, I kind of felt like it's so funny because I defaulted to him on our Valentine's Day show. I kind of, as a player I love, I kind of felt really bad about Tony Pollard. I was just like, I don't see how it gets that much better for Tony Pollard. I really don't see his catches going up much. And then. Yeah, Dave, you said the offense is going to improve for Tennessee. I guess I'm just a little doubtful about how much it's going to improve. I get it. They have a second year quarterback, they have Carnell Tate. Still think their offensive line.

[Dave]

I'm thinking it's the scheme that makes them better.

[Adam]

Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. But like, I don't know how Pollard, I don't know how Pollard's anything better than like RB20 and he was 28th last year. But you know, he's. What do you think about, about that? I just don't see him really having this ceiling to climb out of this range.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think that there's a hope that he has a few more rush attempts. He had 260 and 16 games in 2024. He had a few more in Dallas in 2023, 252. If they are a slightly better offense that is on the field more often. They only ran a thousand and four plays last year. They could run 50 more plays. That could get him a few more rush attempts. They might be more in more games and not, not needing to throw the ball quite as much playing from behind. So I, I don't have a lot of optimism that Pollard catches more than say 30 or 35 passes. But also I think your Valentine call is still good because when we do drafts, Tony Pollard's available in round seven or eight sometimes.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And if you can get an RV like that's, that's where you settle for an RB2 and feel great about it.

[Adam]

Sure.

[Jamie]

I think if you just look at Cam Ward started to play much better down the stretch. Whether it's just as you've said, Adam just not throwing interceptions. I think if you just watch the games like he looked more in control. This was with a very scaled down receiving core, as we're well aware, you know. So now you give him Wandell Robinson you give him Carnell Tate, you give him Brian Dable. But in those stretch of games, the final five games this season, Pollard was averaging over 15 and a half PPR points per game. You know, so whether it was health, whether it was just better offense, whether it was work, you know, because he got a lot of work in that stretch, but, you know, three games with at least 95 total yards, two games over 100 yards rushing. Like it looked like he was back to the guy that we saw in, in Dallas or even early in his tenure in Tennessee. And so I think there's reason for hope. But what he said is the best part about Tony Pollard. DeAndre Swift is probably around 4 at worst case around 5 pick. Breeze hall is. Should be, as Dave said, around 4 pick. In some cases, you know, running back heavy. He may go round three. Pollard may be close to them in production as you see right here on the screen. And you're getting him in two or three rounds later. Like that's the way you win fantasy leagues. Because if Pollard hits you probably, you know, the hope would be is your first six picks are great and they.

[Adam]

Mine will be. Pollard is RB28 in the early CBS ADP. He's RB31 in fantasy pros. ADP.

[Jamie]

I was gonna say he's right in the same range Fantasy.

[Adam]

That's.

[Heath]

That's fantastic.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's great. He's not gonna do worse than that, probably. All right, so that's good.

[Dave]

Is he the running back you target if you're taking two running backs with your first three picks. So you're going to take some of the stud running backs early. So you avoid what might be a trap with Breeze or DeAndre Swift. And then you just wait till the end of round six or into round seven for Pollard to be your third rb.

[Heath]

I was thinking he's the running back you take if you go early at tight end or quarterback and you could be that too late wide receiver core. And now you found your RB2 in round seven or eight.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

Okay, good stuff.

[Jamie]

And yeah, you know, just to tie in two other guys or one other guy. Like I'd rather have Tony Pollard than RJ Harvey.

[Heath]

I would too.

[Adam]

They are back to back in the cbs.

[Heath]

I mentioned Harvey, Tootin and Bryce. I'd rather have Pollard than all of them.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I take Price over Pollard, but that's close. But I'd rather have Price than. Excuse me. Rather Pollard than. Than Tutin and Harvey.

[Adam]

How about, how about we get to the wide receivers here and I think it is Worth asking Davins, you know, valid question. Be like, no, it's even worth talking about Aman Russell Brown. Or is he what he is? He's been, he's been a top three. He's been the number three wide receiver overall in PPR fantasy points, not per game, but the number three wide receiver three straight years and he's been top four per game in two of those three years. This is Amon Ross St. Brown. Do we need to talk about him?

[Dave]

10.1, 8.3, 10.3. Those are not his PPR points per game. Those are even too low to be his non PPR points per game. Those are his targets per game. Adam. Anybody that's getting that type of volume is a slam dunk. Easy early round. In this case, first round in full PPR pick. I don't know what there is to discuss. I don't know. I, I don't think the Drew petzing edition is suddenly going to turn him into a 7 1/2 target per game guy and Sam Laporta into a fantasy beast. I don't think it's happening. I think that they're going to lean on what's been working and Goff's got that connection with arsb. It's gonna keep going on. He is the safest first round pick you can make.

[Adam]

Whoa.

[Dave]

In full ppr.

[Adam]

Okay, so I didn't say the best.

[Dave]

I said the safest.

[Adam]

You know, last year he had 172 targets in 17 games. The year before he had 142 targets in 17 games. He was still terrific. But he really was.

[Dave]

That's 8.3 per game.

[Adam]

Yeah, he wasn't that. He wasn't nearly right. I know you said that he wasn't quite as good. If I take him sixth overall and he ends up as the number seven wide receiver per game, which is what he was in 2024. I'm a little disappointed. I'm not going to complain. I'm going to say I lost my fantasy league because I drafted. I'm on Ross St. Brown and he finished his wide receiver seven per game. But I would hope for 10 targets per game if I'm taking him sixth overall. I would not, I would not want 8.2 or 8.3 targets per game.

[Heath]

Agreed.

[Adam]

So what do we, what do you think it's going to be, Heath?

[Heath]

I'd probably in between last year and the year before.

[Adam]

All right, I'll take nine. You know, it's nice they're throwing him in the end zone now and, and just A little lesson for you Dynasty drafters out there. If you're. There's a wide receiver, like maybe people think Makai Lemon is just a slot guy. I'm on Ross St. Brown had a 75 slot rate right around there in his first year. Now it's about 45%. Jackson, Smith and Jigba, I think it was about 20% last year. First two years he was over 70%. So this is a bit of a tangent, but guys can come into the league labeled as a slot only guy and develop into something much more. All right, let's talk about Nico Collins then. Jamie, what do you think about Nico? He's been wide receiver 8 through 11 per game three straight seasons. But last year was a little disappointing because he averaged more than two fewer fantasy points per game than he did the previous two seasons. So give me your thoughts on Nico.

[Jamie]

I mean, kind of like we talked about the other day. I think, you know, you look at it as he, he is what he is, you know, and, and the hope would be is that he stays healthy and that C.J. stroud doesn't start to maybe lean on Jaden Higgins or go back to, you know, sort of favoring Dalton Schultz as we saw at the end of that last season. Tank Dell coming back healthy. I think Nico Collins is, is a tier below the top seven or eight wide receivers. He's sort of like a tear break for me, you know, so whereas last year he was in the range of the, the top tier guys. So I'd rather have Drake London, I'd rather have Rashi Rice. You know, I, I think it's still safe to take CD Lamb even with George Pickens there and Justin Jefferson even with now crowded receiving core ahead of Nico as well. But once you sort of get to that mid round two, late round two wide receiver range, you know, I still think he's got more upside than George Pickens even, you know, what he showed last year. AJ Brown in, in a new environment. T. Higgins, you know, that, that group of wide receivers, I would still take Nico over Malik Neighbors. That's the one I struggle with. Just because Neighbors with the injury. But look, C.J. stroud has regressed. There's no way around that. I think if CJ Stroud had regressed in, in, in the positive way after what we saw in his rookie season, Nico may have gone along with him because I think that's kind of the engine that makes go, but hopefully a little bit more pressure off him. These other guys can make some plays while still getting the targets that we hope for. To me, Nico is, you know, like Dave said, Aman Ra is a very safe pick in round one. I think Nico's a safe pick in round two. I just don't know if he has the upside to get to that tier that we were hoping to see him get to last year. I know you and. You and I, Adam, are very high on Nico Collins. Just expecting him to take a step forward and unfortunately he took a step back.

[Heath]

Nico, and I'm glad he's. Jamie said Neighbors because Nico and Neighbors are the two guys that I have ranked as low end wide receiver. Ones that I am little bit worried that I'm too low on, but I think they do have a similarity in that we're worried about Neighbors getting back from that injury. And at this point in his career, I think you have to be worried about nico playing even 15 games. He's only done that twice in his career. Like he. He misses time every year. And it may be that some of the struggles last year were because after some of those missed games, he wasn't 100%.

[Adam]

I think that's definitely what happened in 2024. He got off to an absolutely blistering start in 2024 and that was mostly with Stefan Diggs there. And. And I think all of it was with Diggs healthy, mostly with Tank Dell. And he was on pace for over 200 targets in his first four games. Then he had two targets in week five and he turned that into something like 70 yards and a touchdown. And then he hurt his hamstring and when he came back, he just wasn't quite himself. But even in 2024, if you remove two games where he played 18% or fewer of the snaps, he averaged 18.2 PPR fantasy points per game. That is why I was so excited about Nico Collins and that also they were coming off a year where like they had lost Stefan Diggs to the Patriots and they had lost Tank Dell for the season. So I'm looking at this guy who averaged 18 points per game when he was healthy. And he was the only guy I thought he was going to be wide receiver, 2 or 3. He's going at the 2, 3 turn. I looked at our ADP fantasy pros draft sharks. Right now, Nico Collins is at the 23 turn. Heath, that would be one. That would be one of my favorite picks. If I could get him at the 2, 3 turn.

[Heath]

I think that is very, very close to where I have him at 24. So that's like exactly where I have

[Adam]

him there are a lot of good players. So I get it. There's a lot of good players that are going to go in that range. Dave, would you be happy to take Nico, go with the 2, 3 turn?

[Dave]

Absolutely. I'd go even a little bit higher than that just because I think that he's such a good target earner and he's been consistent for fantasy last year. Kind of stunk a little bit and stunk a little bit for him means 15.1 PPR points per game.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't.

[Jamie]

There's also a potential contract situation coming up, so keep that in mind. Might help him.

[Adam]

I don't really know what happened last year. This guy is just.

[Heath]

He got hurt.

[Dave]

He was banged up a lot.

[Heath]

He always is.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

It's kind of a thing. Yeah.

[Adam]

Stroud wasn't great either, but consistently over

[Dave]

eight targets per game. At least. It's been that way the last two years.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

Dude's good.

[Adam]

He is good. I'm not quite sure we yet know what, what Nico Collins is as a football player because I really thought kind of like an AJ Brown situation where advanced metrics, he's one of the best and I thought maybe. Oh yeah, go ahead.

[Dave]

No, sorry. Just one last thing. For those of you who are worried about David Montgomery coming in and changing like the tenor of this entire offense, go back and look at 2024 when Joe Mixon was actually playing football. And by the way, the Texans offense had a much more interesting receiving core, at least to begin the year. Tank Dell was healthy. Steph Diggs was there. It was 17.6 PPR points per game, 8.3 targets per game for Nico. I don't know how much of that is weighted in the second half of last year or of that year, 2024, because we know that Tank Dell missed a chunk of the second half of the year. Diggs did too. But I, I'm pretty sure Nico was good across the board and that was when they had a good running game. I don't think Montgomery's chance of being the, the lead workhorse there really changes it that much for him.

[Heath]

I, I think the A.J. brown comparison is perfect. Like they've been very, very similar on a per game basis the last few years. AJ Brown's what topped out right around 17 fantasy points per game. Yeah, I think Nico has the upside to be 17 fantasy points per game. But with both of those guys you're probably not getting the Amun Ross St. Brown 20 point per game season.

[Adam]

Yeah, I, I would, I would think, you know My. My thought was kind of like, well, if he gets off the Eagles and he goes to a team that passes the ball a lot, I don't know if the Patriots will be that maybe A.J. brown could. Could score 20. And I really thought Nico Collins was just set up for nine to 10 targets per game and elite efficiency and a huge year. Didn't happen, I guess I'd say. I still think it's possible, though, you know, I don't know who has more upside than Nico. Who has more upside than Nico Collins? That's going at the 2, 3 turn. Jeremiah Love. You know, maybe some running hours.

[Dave]

His neighbors healthy?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Is it.

[Heath]

Where's Jefferson going?

[Adam]

First round on draft sharks.

[Heath]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Adam]

Jefferson first.

[Dave]

He's at 14.

[Adam]

First round on fantasy 14 and CBS. You're looking at. Yeah, you know what? I guess I shouldn't say that because it's George Pickens, Nico Collins, Malik, neighbors, A.J. brown are going around the 2, 3 turn. They all have a lot of upside, right?

[Heath]

Yep. Sure sounds like a very good group.

[Dave]

I really.

[Adam]

I really want an early pick this year.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I've never seen that in any of the drafts I've done so far because, like, that is very encouraging if you take Gibbs or Bijan 1 or 2.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

We don't usually take A.J. brown, do we?

[Adam]

A.J. brown, 28th on CBS. 29th on fantasy pros 30.

[Jamie]

He's gonna fly up draft boards the minute he traded. Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah. I don't know. I think people are drafting him as if he's a Patriot already.

[Adam]

I'm thinking it might be like half and half. Once the reality sets in that he's on the Patriots, there'll be this. This enthusiasm burst.

[Heath]

He's been. So I should just abstain being the Jalen hurts defender. Like he's. He's been around two pick in Philadelphia.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's going around three now.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

But I think also he has. I think people will look at it as he really doesn't have much target competition in. In New England. Whereas, you know, devonte. Whatever. Okay, let me read this question. I think it was funny. It's from Shub.

[Dave]

Whatever.

[Adam]

I wonder if we. If this fantasy football Today crew cares at all if they get something wrong. A lot of this is just a lottery.

[Dave]

We care big time.

[Adam]

Do you care, Dave? You care?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

How much do you guys care if you get something wrong?

[Dave]

My therapist cares because he hears about it.

[Heath]

How do you quantify how much wrong?

[Jamie]

Yeah, like on a week to week basis or a year to year basis?

[Adam]

What do you mean by, you mean like weekly rankings versus season?

[Jamie]

I feel worse about the year to year stuff than I did the week to week stuff.

[Dave]

Same. Yeah.

[Heath]

I think there's a direct correlation between how hard you argued for something and how bad you feel about something. Like, do I feel, do we feel bad about something we say one time on one show? No, I, I don't. You feel bad about something you hammer for three months.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Adam]

Check out.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And we've all been there. We've all been there.

[Adam]

It's such a great feeling when you help people win. Yeah. Yes. And it's, I would say it's a, you know, it's a bad feeling when one of your players stinks for the people who listen to you. And for me, that's, that's a stronger feeling of shame than the feeling of, of happiness.

[Dave]

Agreed. You know, and, and it's bad if you don't learn from it. So I always like to think of it as I start learning. 1:00 clock Sunday afternoon, turning the page from the week before. What am I going to learn about teams, players, et cetera in the week ahead?

[Adam]

Cool.

[Jamie]

I think the one thing, though, like, you know, that the industry has become so different from certainly when, when Dave and I started and even when Heath has been with us. Like, it's so, it's. There's so much information, there's so much competition, there's so much of, you know, ways to, you know, go about this. And I think, like he said, you know, something you say one time versus something that you say, you know, months at a time. But also, it's like, I always find it interesting when, like, we get asked questions and we don't charge for our advice, you know, for the, for the majority of the advice that we get, you know, whether it's our content here, our podcast, our written content, certainly whenever anybody asks us questions. I don't charge people for when anybody asks me questions. I don't know about you guys, but I have a patreon when you give an answer to somebody. And the thing that most of our competition, I don't think falls in this category. We've very rarely. Don't say something without some substance behind it. Yeah. You know, I like this guy because I don't like this guy because it's very much researched. And, and like Dave said, you know, it, it starts when the games start, but, you know, obviously it goes well beyond that. And so, and then when we get back, the, the response of, you were wrong. Okay, well, why were we wrong? Where, where did we say something incorrect? We don't control what happens at 1 o' clock on Sunday at 8, at 8:30, whatever time kickoff is on Thursday and Sunday night, we, we don't control that. So, you know, Heath coaches at a very high level of travel basketball. You know, I, I coach at a very low level of, of baseball. You know, I can't control what my players do as any more so than what a professional team is going to do. You know, so it's like you put a game plan in place, we put our research in place, we do all these things to, you know, hope that it works out in a certain way and that the chess match unfolds the way that you want it to, but it just never works out like that. You know, even when you get it right, it's like, oh, yeah, right. I didn't, I didn't know he was going to score three touchdowns. Yeah, that start of the week was awesome. It just doesn't work out that way. That's life.

[Adam]

But we do care. We do. And we put a lot into it because winning fantasy is fun.

[Heath]

So I appreciate Jamie letting me off the hook for Jerry, Judy for getting out of catch.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's not your fault. You had very valid reasons. I mean, look, I, I, I, I, I say this all the time. I learn something new every day. When we do these shows, you know, whether it's, you know, something Adam Heath or DAV say, it's like, oh, okay, I didn't, I didn't think about that player in this, in this way. And whether it changes the, the opinion or just gives you a different opinion of it, you know, it, it opens your eyes a little bit. Like, should I be so gung ho on this player? Should I not? You know, I, I, my first thing, whenever you say who's the start of the week this week, I look for Heath and Dave's eye reaction. You know, like it, it's, the facial expression will tell me everything I need to know. Well, your shoulders are terrible.

[Dave]

You should not have told me that.

[Jamie]

It's, but it's, it's, it's, it's involved now.

[Dave]

I'm gonna be like, oh, I thought

[Adam]

this show was really helpful though, you know, just in terms of laying out our reasoning behind things. And I like when we get to do deep dives because I honestly feel more comfortable talk drafting these eight players today than I did an hour ago just to hear the three of you talk it out.

[Dave]

We should, we should do this with eight more players next week.

[Adam]

Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's a great idea. All right, guys, thanks for your, for your time. Thanks for watching, listening, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow on fantasy football today. See ya.

[Jamie]

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[Heath]

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

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