Fantasy Superlatives, Trade Targets, MIN-LAC Preview, Grade the Trade (10/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Fantasy Superlatives, Trade Targets, MIN-LAC Preview, Grade the Trade

CBS Sports Fantasy Football Today Podcast – October 22, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

This mid-season episode features a dynamic roundtable with Adam, Dave, Jamey, and Heath, packed with actionable analysis for fantasy football managers at the midpoint of the season. The crew walks through the most traded players, issues buy-low and sell-high recommendations, previews Thursday Night Football (Minnesota Vikings at Los Angeles Chargers), gives out first-half fantasy superlatives (MVPs, busts, etc.), predicts second-half breakouts, and answers plenty of listener trade questions. The tone is lively, friendly, and full of practical advice for managers looking to make playoff pushes and set up strategic trades.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Trade Market Breakdown: "Buy, Sell, Hold" (06:05—11:09)

• Derrick Henry:

  • Consensus: Hold – Still an RB workhorse with potential for 18-20 carries most weeks, especially given Tennessee's schedule.
  • Quote (08:32, Adam): “Judkins and Derrick Henry... you could see getting 20 carries… that’s the difference between Dobbins. Dobbins is around 15 carries most weeks and doesn’t get any catches.”

• A.J. Brown:

  • Dave: Sell High
  • Adam/Jamey: Buy or Hold
  • Debate on whether Philadelphia's pass volume keeps up and if Brown's recent boom can continue.

• J.K. Dobbins:

  • Consensus: Hold
  • Low passing-game involvement caps upside; not much trade value but a usable RB2/3.

• Chase Brown:

  • Dave: Worth trying to Buy if you’re desperate for RB help (09:25).
  • “He won’t cost you a ton… offense might crank it up a little bit with Joe Flacco and then Burrow coming back.”

• Travis Etienne:

  • Consensus: Buy low. Three-game slump is likely situational, with easier schedule ahead (10:11).
  • “He’s got a great role with a schedule that lightens up.” (10:31, Adam)

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Waiver Wire and Drop-o-Meter Notes (11:15—12:02)

• Tez Johnson, Orande Gadsden: Observed real-life FAB spends—Gadsden had bigger bidding wars than expected.
• JMO (Jameson Williams):
  • Heated debate over his drop-worthiness (11:30).
  • Quote (11:44, Adam): “I've never lost a bet that I felt so good about.”

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Buy Low Trade Targets (12:49—15:07)

• Jamey: Kyren Williams & Bucky Irving

  • Strategy: Target mid-season buy weeks and stashes for strong teams with good records.
  • “For the stretch run, [Williams] will be a prominent fantasy option. Both…” (12:53, Jamey)

• Dave: George Kittle & Rico Dowdle

  • “Lock yourself into one of the best tight ends in fantasy football [Kittle] without giving up too much.” (14:48, Dave)

• Tight End Trade Market:

  • Increase in streaming options with new tight ends popping up (Gadsden, Otten) complicates market value for guys like Kittle (15:37–16:45).
  • Some managers still prefer set-and-forget TE options.

• Heath on Buy-Low Strategy:

  • Focus on rookies (Travion Henderson, Luther Burden) and post-injury or “forgotten” breakouts.
  • “Every year there’s one or two guys… rookies, that we thought were good before the season… I would like to bet on those guys to do that.” (23:20, Heath)

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Sell High Recommendations (26:56—32:43)

• Heath:

  • Jake Ferguson (TE): “I don’t believe he’ll continue to be the number one tight end… just go see if you can convince somebody that Jake Ferguson’s going to be this good all year.” (28:48)
  • DeAndre Swift (RB): “Just for the good teams… Swift probably gives you three more good games, the schedule turns awful...” (28:23)

• Jamey:

  • Michael Pittman & Davante Adams: If possible, flip now; Pittman’s usage could diminish as Josh Downs returns.

• Dave:

  • Javonte Williams & A.J. Brown.
  • Brown: “Sell high… not saying sell for whatever. If you can trade him and get a low-end RB and a really good WR, I wouldn’t be opposed.” (32:27)

• Notable Trade Scenarios Debated:

  • A.J. Brown vs DeAndre Swift (32:52)
  • A.J. Brown for Travis Etienne + Zay Flowers (33:07; Jamie: “Yes.”)
  • Realism check: “We got to be realistic here…” (32:43, Adam)

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Thursday Night Football Preview: Vikings at Chargers (42:16—51:32)

• Stat of the Game:
  • “Chargers have allowed 29+ fantasy points to three straight RBs.”
  • Both teams are pass-heavy offenses facing struggling defenses.
• RBs:
  • Jordan Mason (MIN): RB1 in this matchup across the hosts, even if Aaron Jones is active (46:02, Jamie).
  • Kamani Vidal (LAC): Worth a start due to workload; more of an RB2/Flex, especially in byemageddon scenarios.
• WRs:
  • Start all main WRs: Justin Jefferson, Keenan Allen, Lad McConkey, Addison, Quentin Johnston. Order varies; all are in play.

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First-Half Superlatives (55:50—58:30)

• MVP:

  • Jamey: Jonathan Taylor
  • Heath: Christian McCaffrey
  • Note: Both RBs provided massive value relative to draft cost.

• Rookie of the Year:

  • Tyler Warren (Jamie), RayJahne Booker (Heath)
  • Adam: “Do you think Emeka Egbuka is going to be a top 5, top 8 WR going forward?”

• Biggest Bust:

  • Brian Thomas Jr. (Jamie), Saquon Barkley (Heath), reflection on top picks who have underdelivered.

• Best Waiver Wire Add:

  • Rico Dowdle unanimously praised.

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Second-Half Superlatives & Bold Predictions (58:42—63:00)

• Second Half MVP Candidates:

  • James Cook (Jamie): “You’ve heard chatter about not getting him the ball enough…he could be one of the top five running backs in fantasy rest of the way.”
  • Jameer Gibbs (Heath): “Seems like [Lions] are giving our best players the ball more often.” (59:06)

• Breakout Pick:

  • Lad McConkey (Jamie), “Showing life the last couple of weeks.”
  • Ted McMillan (Heath)

• Comeback Pick:

  • Stefan Diggs as a buy-low with strong advanced stats.

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Listener Q&A & Trade Grades (70:08—71:39)

• Sample Trade:

  • Jake Ferguson & Zay Flowers for Tyler Warren and Addison or T. Higgins
  • Adam: “F minus. Do not do it.”
  • General consensus: Not a trade worth making.

• Jamar Chase acquisition:

  • Derrick Henry + Abuka for Jamar Chase branded as “a lot,” hinges on RB depth (70:40).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Every year there’s one or two guys… rookies, that we thought were good before the season… I would like to bet on those guys to do that.” (23:20, Heath)
• “Maybe you can go ahead and lock yourself into one of the best tight ends… without giving up too much for him.” (14:59, Dave, on Kittle)
• “I don’t believe [Jake Ferguson] will continue to be the number one tight end… just go see if you can convince somebody…” (28:48, Heath)
• “Heath’s head might explode if anyone says anything bad about Jalen Hurts.” (50:12, Adam – recurring lighthearted theme)

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–01:56 — Ad reads and opening banter
• 01:56–06:02 — News, notes, and weekly housekeeping
• 06:02–11:09 — Most traded list: Buy/Sell/Hold roundtable
• 11:15–12:02 — Waiver wire and drop-o-meter discussion
• 12:49–15:07 — Buy-low targets
• 16:16–18:10 — Tight end trade market deep dive
• 26:56–32:43 — Sell high targets and strategy
• 42:16–51:32 — Thursday Night Football: MIN-LAC game preview
• 55:50–58:30 — First-half fantasy awards
• 58:42–63:00 — Second-half breakout predictions
• 70:08–71:39 — Listener trade grades

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Episode Highlights & Tone

• The group maintains an upbeat, friendly, and sometimes self-deprecating tone.
• Subtle debates (especially about Eagles offense and positional trade value) are leavened with stats and counterpoints.
• Live trade “Grades” and waiver war stories keep things practical and interactive for the fantasy community.
• Frequent reminders about context: “If you’re contending, target these stashes; if you need wins now, here’s who to move.”
• Playful moments, such as the Halloween candy analogies for each host (65:48) and meta-debates about advanced stats.

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This episode is jam-packed with mid-season trade and roster advice, strategic discussions for competitive and rebuilding teams, actionable previews, and a healthy dose of statistical reasoning and humor—a perfect blueprint for listeners ready to make expert moves for the fantasy stretch run!

Transcript

[Heath Cummings]

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[Adam Azer]

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[Heath Cummings]

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[Adam Azer]

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[Heath Cummings]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam Azer]

Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is going to go the distance.

[Heath Cummings]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam Azer]

Pump day. If people still say that, great. If people don't, we're bringing it back. Welcome to the show. It is Wednesday. We welcome you to fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. Let's make some legendary trades. We're gonna look at the most traded list. We're gonna give you a buy lows and sell highs. And it's mid. It's the midway point. It's the midway point of the fantasy season. So we'll do first half awards and second half predictions. Who's gonna be the MVP of the second half? Who's the MVP of the first half? How much did Ted Tez Johnson go for in the FFT open leagues? All those things and more.

[Heath Cummings]

All right.

[Adam Azer]

I'm Adam Azer. Dave Richard. Heath Cummings. Heath has the bi week blues. I'm being. I'm treading very lightly around Heath today. Heath, you, you look healthy. You look good.

[Heath Cummings]

I just want to say that it worked. Thank you to whoever the brilliant listener was who just saved me from sneezing through Adam's kind of long for a packed show monologue because I had to sneeze. As soon as the music came on, the sneeze button hit in my nose and I just stared at my ring light and it went away.

[Adam Azer]

Officially it is staring at a light prevents you from sneezing. I did confuse that last week. I apologize. Now. I thought Tess Johnson was going to go for a lot. Turned out Tess Johnson was rostered in most of my leagues, but in the FFT open leagues I only saw one big big bid on him. 25 in one of the leagues. In the others I saw $8 $11 0. This is out of a original $100 budget. $0 and Dave got him for $3. So I got him. Yeah, I I overestimated the Tez Johnson mania. However, I underestimated the Orande Gadsden mania because he routinely went for at least 15 a lot of cases 20 to $25 which we think is probably here.

[Heath Cummings]

Dave on Sunday night show yeah but.

[Adam Azer]

He on Dave on Tuesday show said that's probably not the route to go cause there are a lot of tight ends and spending 20, 20% of your original FAB budget on any of them was was probably a mistake. So I only bring this up for the people who still are running FAB tonight. You know, obviously your league's going to be different, but that's just what what we saw in the FFT Open leagues News and notes the jets seem likely to go with Torod Taylor after what their owner said about Justin Fields yesterday and Rich so many reporting, it seems like that's the way they're leaning this week at Cincinnati. Carson Wentz is going to start this week. We're going to preview that game. Minnesota at the Chargers on Thursday. Aaron Jones has a chance to play. The Chargers run defense has been probably the worst in football over the last three weeks. They've allowed a running back to score 29 or more fantasy points in three straight games. It's unbelievable. Lamar Jackson missed practice Monday. They were off yesterday. They'll practice again today. The Chargers back to that game. The Chargers their their starting tackles were both limited, so they both missed last week's game. We'll see if they play. It could be a big deal. Hassan Haskins is doubtful. Todd Bowles did not rule out Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving just yet. Seems like they're unlikely, but we'll see. They're At New Orleans, Washington plans on having Debo Samuel practice all week. They're at the Chiefs on Monday, so we won't know his practice status until Thursday. Debo Samuel, Jacoby Myers, he's on a buy. He says he still wants to be traded. He's like, oh yeah? Still want to be traded? If you're desperate for a wide receiver, I'll give you a guy who's been good in two of his three healthy games. His other game he played about half the snaps and stunk. That's Calvin Austin. He's trending in the right direction. He plays Green Bay Sunday night. The Titans will be without luxurious need. It seems the Broncos will be without Dre Greenlaw. It's not really a big deal. He's played. He's played like 20 snaps all year. And the Giants will have a new kicker this week, either Young Waiku or Graham Gano. Sunday we do not have an 8:30 show because we do not have an international game. We will be on the air from 11 to 1. 11am to 1pm Getting your lineup set. YouTube.com fantasy football today, two hour pregame show. 11 to 1. Okay, I got all that out of the way. The rest of the show is yours. Jamie will be here shortly. I want to take a look at the most traded list. Yeah, I'm not going to read this for bed. I don't want to get off subject, but.

[Heath Cummings]

Ben, you're okay. Ben, you're in trouble.

[Adam Azer]

I want to take a look at the top 12 most traded. We'll see how many we get to here. And you just tell me, are you a buy, a sell or a hold based on what you think their current value is. Here we go. Derrick Henry.

[Ben]

Hold.

[Adam Azer]

By A.J. brown.

[Dave Richard]

Sell high if you can.

[Adam Azer]

Bye. Are you okay?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

What happened?

[Adam Azer]

Got this said like thing going on over there.

[Heath Cummings]

No, I'm good.

[Dave Richard]

No, he's got a sneeze.

[Adam Azer]

Is that it?

[Heath Cummings]

No, I'm just. I'm just thinking. No, I'm just.

[Jamie]

No, you're holding information.

[Heath Cummings]

I have no sneezes currently. My. The light. I looked at the light. I saw the light.

[Adam Azer]

J.K. dobbins.

[Dave Richard]

I would. I. I don't think you can sell.

[Jamie]

That high on him.

[Dave Richard]

And he's probably more of a hold than a sell high.

[Heath Cummings]

So if you can.

[Adam Azer]

He's got no more than two catches in any game. No more than one catch since week one. Dallas, Houston Raiders, Chiefs coming up.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I mean, I don't feel like RJ Harvey is doing anything to like make inroads On Dobbins role. I think Dobbin's role is pretty much set. It's just not as great of a role as it could be. There's still a third running back in the mix there. I just, I. I don't think anybody's clamoring for J.K. dobbins in trade. So you're not going to get much for him.

[Heath Cummings]

If you do trade him. It's like August Edwards role with a bottom 10 offensive line.

[Adam Azer]

They have a bottom 10 offensive.

[Heath Cummings]

No, I'm sorry. Oh, Gus. It's a guy said drill period.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I meant to put a segment in the notes, but a better.

[Dave Richard]

He's better than Gus, though. You're not comparing him to Gus.

[Adam Azer]

Well, I just want to. There's a. There's a group of running backs that have, you know, these are running backs, like fantasy relevant running backs that have the lowest route participation rate in the NFL. David Montgomery is at the way bottom. Quinshawn Judkins, Derrick Henry, Jacori Crosky, Merritt, R.J. harvey, believe it or not, Ken Walker and J.K. dobbins. These guys have. Dobbins is not that bad. He just never gets targeted. But Montgomery, Judkins, Henry, Bill Harvey, Ken Walker, J.K. dobbins, they kind of are what they are. They're not going to. They're not going to be big factors in the passing game. Right, Heath?

[Heath Cummings]

Right. And to defend the Gus Edwards role, like when for most of the period that he had that role, he averaged five yards per carry.

[Adam Azer]

I think there's two guys on this list, though, that you could see getting 20 carries or close 18 or more carries on a fairly regular basis, and that's Judkins and Derrick Henry. Judkins has a pretty favorable schedule. Games where they could be competitive. They're not going to be, you know, it's not gonna be like, oh, we had 10 carries, they were getting blown out. I mean, maybe they stink, so maybe that will happen. But that's the difference between Dobbins. Dobbins is around 15 carries most weeks and he doesn't get any catches.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Heath Cummings]

I would say if you want to, just like a little bit of an orange light on Judkins. And I don't think it's him. I think it's the line. If you look like he just had this monster game with three touchdowns. But if you look at the games against the Dolphins, every running backs like five yards per carry, six yards per carry, six and a half yards per carry. And Judkins was, I think, 3.7 or something.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

That huge run and everything else was just kind of okay.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. All right. Chase Brown. Buy, sell, hold.

[Dave Richard]

I think he's actually worth trying to buy, especially if you're desperate for running back help. If you've been just battered by injuries and you need somebody who can fill the spot and be no better than a middle to low end RB2, I would imagine that he won't cost you a ton and there's probably. Can he get any worse than what he's been? What has he been? 9, 10 PPR points? 12.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, it's a good week.

[Dave Richard]

He can be better than that. Is this offense might crank it up a little bit with. With Joe Flacco and then burrow coming back and scheduled toward the end of the year. Isn't that bad? Fantasy playoffs.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay, the good, the good news is he's averaging seven and a half yards per carry with Joe Flacco. The bad news is it hasn't turned into yards because if Joe Flacco's on the team, you're going to throw the ball 40 times.

[Jamie]

It's true.

[Adam Azer]

Last one here, Travis ETN. Buy, sell, hold. Three bad games in a row for ETN, but tough schedule, right? It was Kansas City, Seattle and the Rams. He gets a buy now. Then the Raiders, Texans, Chargers, Cardinals, Titans, Colts. It gets easier. Buy, sell, hold by low.

[Dave Richard]

Sure.

[Adam Azer]

I actually think that's a good one. Right. I didn't really think about that until the show today. But he's, he's on a buy. Travis etn. Tootin is. I mean, maybe, maybe they say, all right, we gotta get Tootin more involved coming out of the buy. But short of that, he's got a great role with an E, with a schedule that lightens up. Catches could go away when Brenton Strange comes back because we did see that. But I don't know. Something to think about.

[Dave Richard]

If you've got etn, do you make the move to acquire Tutin? While Tootin's value is almost nothing, he's.

[Heath Cummings]

Got to be, I mean, you got to be one of those drop players by Thursday morning.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, he could be. You just wait for him to get dropped.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's going to happen in a lot of leagues. You should just pay attention to who's being dropped out there. Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I, I yesterday I look through the notes, I often look through the Tuesday notes because I want to see what you guys are talking about as I'm going through writing my previews. And you had the drop o meter And I didn't see a name that I thought I was going to see.

[Dave Richard]

Oh man.

[Adam Azer]

Show show notes critique with.

[Heath Cummings]

Did you put JMO on the drop o meter?

[Adam Azer]

We talked about him just before the drop o meter because that we went from some Monday Night Football to the drop o meter.

[Heath Cummings]

So yeah, he should have been the headliner of the drop o meter.

[Adam Azer]

It was man, I've never lost the bet that I felt so good about. It was me versus Heath Tedro, McMillan versus Jameson Williams. McMillan goes out and scores like 6.3 PPR fantasy points. And I'm just sitting pretty and yeah, lost that one.

[Heath Cummings]

It's almost as good as Dave and I. It's Marvin Harrison, Jerry, Judy, season long bet.

[Adam Azer]

Well, look, let's talk about BETMGM real quick. Jamie's good. Hey, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Good morning.

[Adam Azer]

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[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. Kyron Williams and Bucky Irving are your bilos.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think you get the theme every week with me team on a buy or guy that's coming off of injury. I think if you're in a great spot in your with your record, you know, these are two guys. You can't play Chiron this week. We may not get Bucky Irving for two weeks. I think both for the stretch run are going to be very prominent fantasy options. So see if the manager managers with those players are looking to sell and need help going into their bike.

[Adam Azer]

Do you worry at all about Kyron having. I mean it's kind of nitpicking. He's got Seattle twice best run defense in football. Arguably he has Tampa Bay. Does that bother you at all?

[Jamie]

I mean, there's never going to be an ideal situation I think for a lot of players. Especially again, if you're trying to acquire somebody who's, you know, a first or second round pick and you're you're hoping to get them cheap. So there's going to be some. Some pitfalls. But like you said, I understand you're nitpicking. He's. He's on a very good offense. He's going to get a lot of opportunities. I know Blake Corum has been stealing some touches, but that really hasn't impacted what his potential can still be and what his upside still is. So if I can get him at the right cost, I'd be looking to do so.

[Adam Azer]

All right, that's Kyron Williams. If there's anyone on the. Would you rather have A.J. brown or Karen Williams?

[Jamie]

I think given the, the position difference, it depends on what you need. But they're very similar type of players. You know, huge upside, have had some struggles. You'd like to have them on your fantasy roster for the stretcher.

[Adam Azer]

Can I tell you why? You know what? I'll get to this in a sec. I'll get to this later. Because Dave has A.J. brown as a sell high. I'm going to. I'm going to give you. I'm going to disagree. I'm going to give you a good reason. I think I'm going to change your mind. Dave. Richard.

[Dave Richard]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

That never happens.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Buy low for Dave is George Kittle and Rico Dowdle. Kittle had two targets. He did run most of the routes. Rico Dowdle had 17 carries and one catch against the Jets. You're saying buy low on Kittle and.

[Dave Richard]

Dowdle if you can. If you've got a fantasy manager that started Kittle and they're really unhappy with what they got. They waited and waited and waited, waited for Kittle to come back and then he gets a zero.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Maybe you can go ahead and lock yourself into one of the best tight ends that you could have in fantasy football without giving up too much for him.

[Heath Cummings]

So it'll.

[Dave Richard]

It'll take a. An impatient manager to give up on Kittle or they might have another tight end that they've been using while Kittle was on the shelf and they might say, yeah, I'm better off using this other random tight end. I'll trade you Kittle and get something for firm. I, I think Kittle will obviously start catching passes and I especially think he'll be better once Brock Purdy comes back.

[Jamie]

I thought before you go to Dalla, they have a question. Not specifically questioning this. Just.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, no, go ahead.

[Jamie]

In general, change my mind. And I think it, it goes. It goes both ways in terms of positive and negative. Do you think with all these tight Ends popping up and their recent production and potential. So Rhonda Gadsden, you know, now Kate Otten's opportunity. Does this help or hurt the trade market in tight ends? You know, does it help the fact that if you're the kiddo manager and looking to maximize his value to somebody like, like you, let's say for example, is looking to buy him and you have Gadsden or you have, you know, one of these guys, K dot and etc, does it help that you're able to sell from a position of strength or do you think because the market is now saturated, it's harder to trade somebody like Kittle for their value?

[Dave Richard]

I think you have to view Kittle as someone who's better than one of these streaming tight ends. And if you agree, if you think George Kittle is just as good as Gadson.

[Jamie]

No, no, that's not, that's not the point.

[Adam Azer]

No, I get what you're saying, Jamie. It's a great question. You know, it's like, do you, does someone take the approach with, I'm not going to trade for Kittle. I'm just going to stream tight ends all year.

[Jamie]

Right, Right.

[Dave Richard]

But some people don't like doing that. Some people just want their tight end and they want to set it and forget it with their lineup and especially with someone like Kittle who I think we can still look at and say should be able to outperform a streaming tight end from week to week.

[Jamie]

But that's not the question though. The question is the trade market, the trade market now, because we were, we were drafting the top three guys. Right. We're drafting Bowers and McBride and Kittle and at a time, no, you're not.

[Dave Richard]

Going to get third round value for Kettle and trade.

[Jamie]

Right. But I guess the, what I'm getting at is like maybe I'm not explaining this right away.

[Heath Cummings]

If I think if we, if you would go back through this season and look at our weekly waiver wire at tight end and like the top two guys every week and what they did the next week, if you've been on that roller coaster, then George Kittle sounds pretty.

[Dave Richard]

Pretty.

[Adam Azer]

Yes.

[Heath Cummings]

Like, because how so many. And I like I'm talking, I just go to my own column and so many times this guy has had two straight good games, looks awesome and he scores two points the next week.

[Adam Azer]

Right. So. So, okay, I'll wrap it up with this. Do you think the best play at tight end is to buy low on a guy like George Kittle or Brock Bowers or to play the waiver wire.

[Jamie]

I think if. If the Kittle manager, if the Bowers manager. I guess you throw McBride in there because they're gonna buy. Because he's gonna buy. Like, if they're willing to part for him, part for those tight ends cheap enough, you should obviously buy. But if they're asking for, to Dave's point, you know, first, second, third round value, because that's what they drafted them, then you just play the wayboard.

[Adam Azer]

I'll give you a few names. Would you trade this player for George Kittle? Chris Olave.

[Dave Richard]

In it in a blanket? I'd rather have Olave.

[Jamie]

I'd rather have Olave and a streaming tenant. I guess I'll just.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, like, that's the way you can put it.

[Heath Cummings]

I think it would be full ppr. I'd take Olave, half ppr. I'd rather just go.

[Jamie]

That's fair.

[Adam Azer]

Would you rather have J.K. dobbins or George Kittle?

[Heath Cummings]

Kittle.

[Jamie]

Probably Kittle Dobbins in a streaming titan.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, okay, let's move on. Dave, give me your quick thoughts on Rico Dowdle.

[Dave Richard]

He's the better running back in Carolina. Just watch them play. Chuba Hubbard is okay, but Rico Dowdle is faster, hits the hole quicker, can catch the ball out of the backfield. I really don't know what the Panthers coaching staff is thinking by starting Chuba and then giving him as much work as they did. I am hoping that they see the light. This is me banking on Dave Canalis & Co. Recognizing that Dowdle's the better back after last week. His value took a huge hit because he didn't run for 200 yards, and he split pretty close to 50, 50 in terms of carries. I think the snapshare tells a little bit of a different story, but I would. I would bet on the upside with Dowdle because I think especially because you can get in cheaper now than you could have at any point in the prior two weeks.

[Adam Azer]

I just. I hate his. His late season schedule. Like Rams, then a buy. So this is beginning in like week 13, I think Rams by at the Saints, then Bucks Seahawks in week 16 and 17. So Rams, Bucks, Seahawks are some of the best run defenses in football, and unfortunately, they're all honest. Schedule. We go down the schedule.

[Dave Richard]

That part's tough.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Heath, you're. Oh, sorry.

[Dave Richard]

He can help you get there. Chuba played 54% of the snaps. Dowdle was at 46%.

[Adam Azer]

I got to take a break. I didn't realize we went too long. All right, we'll be right back we'll look at Heath's by lows. They're buy super lows. They're hopefully buy off the waiver wire for free. We'll talk about that when we come back on Fantasy Football. Today I have to tell you about.

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[Adam Azer]

All right, welcome back. Heath Travion Henderson, Luther Burden, what are your thoughts on these two?

[Heath Cummings]

Well first off mostly my buys and my cells are talking to the good teams this week. I'm trying not to think about but my bad teams, you guys with bad time teams, we're ready to help you out. But these are like there's gonna be some guys and when we get to the mid season awards I think we've got a bunch of who's gonna be better rest of season type stuff. There's going to be some guys who've been terrible in the first half who are good and helpful and sometimes even great in the second half and if I'm going to bet on guys to do that I would like to bet on rookies to do that. Rookies that we thought were good before the season because every year there's one or two guys that does that and so it's been crap on Travion Henderson week this week on social media and listen rightly so he's not taking any of the work from in a situation where it kind of went like we hoped it would around him. Ramandre Stevenson fumbled. We didn't hope Antonio Gibson would get hurt but we hoped that he would go away and it's just nothing. But I still like I kind of look at the Henderson situation and the Burden situation as it seems pretty obvious to us if they were playing the snaps that the the Llama days Akias and Ramandre Stevenson are playing that they would be scoring more fantasy points. Burden in particular. But there's something that their head coaches want Them to do that they've not figured out yet, which is not again that out. That's surprising. That happens with rookies all the time and it might last all year. But if Luther Burden suddenly started playing all of the snaps that Alamode Zakias is playing, I think the first off the Bears offense might be better their pass game, but maybe not the run game. But Luther Burden would be someone we would be ranking as a top 36 wide receiver every week. And that might be low because he's been awesome the few times he's gotten opportunities.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Heath Cummings]

Henderson hasn't been yet, but. And maybe it's just the dynasty mindset too much. I don't think two months is enough to just make us say this guy that 75 of us thought was really good. No, he's terrible. Never going to help you.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, I'll give you one. Bo, I'll get your thoughts on a bonus by low. Tell me if you agree or disagree. I'd love to see it another week, but just don't know. Woody Marks. I mean, I think coming off such a bad game against Seattle, 10 carries for 15 yards, but he did have a receiving touchdown. I just thought it was interesting that he played a season high in snaps, that he had two goal line carries. It just seemed like they were taking the training wheels off a little bit and they were coming out of their bye week. Right. So, you know, he kind of overtook Nick Chubb. We thought that was happening a few weeks ago and then it completely reversed the following week. But I was encouraged at least by the usage for Woody Marks. I don't know anyone.

[Jamie]

I think you hit on a couple things. One, the, the bye week. I think the, the game where we got the trap game was he was great against the Titans and then he struggled against the Ravens. And it's one of the rare times where they've been where they had success running the ball. They. They just lost. They went into the game without their number two receiver. They lost their number one receiver. So what makes the most sense is to have a pass catching back on the field. Right. So I think in the case of moving forward, like he should overtake Nick Chubb. You know, you have to at some point realize like one guy's potentially your future and one guy's not. All right.

[Adam Azer]

All right, let's go to the cell Highs. Go ahead, Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I just, I do wish that Woody Marks was doing something as a rusher. Like he's been awesome when they've thrown in the ball. And I think Jamie's right. They'll probably throw him the ball more not having their top two wide receivers, but he's got a 37 success rate to Nick Chubb's 47 and he's averaging almost a full yard per carry less. Like it's just been so bad as a rusher.

[Dave Richard]

Niners, Broncos, Jaguars are his next three games.

[Adam Azer]

Call that a medium run defense schedule.

[Dave Richard]

Sure.

[Adam Azer]

Not. Not good. Not like Jaguars are actually the best of the bunch, but they're all, they're all like top 12 run defense in terms of yards per carry. It's actually kind of bad.

[Jamie]

It wouldn't shock me to be honest with you, if they struggle to run against the Dolphins and the Cowboys. Like that's how bad they are.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, I don't know that I want to buy low on anyone on this team because they are pathetic and sorry. Like even Nico Collins. I mean, it's just such a struggle. They cannot throw the ball deep to Nico Collins. Throw the ball deep to Nico Collins, for God's sake. He'll make a play. All right.

[Jamie]

Well, the, the interesting part was Nico leaves the game and then he starts throwing downfield.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. Unsuccessfully. Let's do sell highs here, Heath, you're saying sell high on Jake Ferguson. Is he still the number one? Is he the number one tight end.

[Heath Cummings]

Of fantasy or two touchdowns, so I would guess so.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. And who's the other one? It was DeAndre. Oh. What?

[Jamie]

What?

[Heath Cummings]

Just. Just for the good teams. Right. If you're struggling to get into the playoffs, I think DeAndre Swifts probably gives you three more good games. The schedule turns awful and the split between he and Kyle Manangai has grown to where my Anguish just had his best game and looked really good with the extra work. And if we get into a situation where the Bears all of a sudden are back to averaging 3.8 yards per carry instead of 4.8 and Kyle Menangai is getting 10 to 12 touches per game, then down the stretch it could be bad for the Bears run game. So I, I don't. I'm not. I've gotten ranked as a top 12 running back this week. I think Dave and Jamie do too, but I don't think you're probably going to be able to take three more good games as a playoff team and then sell him right before the schedule turns awful.

[Dave Richard]

Isn't the move here to take Swift and pair him with another player and try and upgrade to one of the.

[Adam Azer]

Better running backs, one of the best running Backs, Sure. Oh, you'd have to.

[Dave Richard]

I mean, very high, right?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, like very high. Who would rather have rest of season, Deandre Swift or Saquon Barkley?

[Dave Richard]

Saquon's higher on the trade chart, but that gap is shrunk quite a bit.

[Heath Cummings]

I think you could probably trade him straight up for Barkley or. Or Henry in a lot of leagues.

[Adam Azer]

Okay.

[Heath Cummings]

And then Ferguson, I don't believe he's going to continue to be the number one tight end. I don't think anybody at all probably believed that last week with CD Lamb coming back. But in CD Lamb's first game back, George Pickens didn't fell off a lot more than Jake Ferguson did. And Ferguson scored two touchdowns. So why don't you just go see if you can convince somebody that Jake Ferguson's just going to be this good all year.

[Adam Azer]

So you trade them straight up for Bowers McBride on the buy 100.

[Heath Cummings]

Kiddle left coming off of the.

[Jamie]

The.

[Heath Cummings]

The zero point game 100.

[Dave Richard]

You're not going to trade them straight up for Kittle? Like I think you could ask for something more than just Kittle.

[Adam Azer]

Who's higher on the trade chart?

[Dave Richard]

Ferguson.

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, so I'd rather have Kittle rest of season.

[Adam Azer]

Jamie, break the tie. Kittle or Ferguson?

[Jamie]

Ferguson.

[Adam Azer]

Interesting. Okay, Jamie, your sell highs are Devonte Adams and Michael Pittman.

[Jamie]

Pittman's an easier case to be made just because we saw prior to Josh Downs getting hurt, you know, the numbers were starting to trickle down a little bit. And I think with what Alec Pierce's done and maybe starting to do a little bit more, obviously Tyler Warren's there and Downs picking up a little bit more targets and production. Like is Pittman going to continue to be as productive as he has been? So if there is a trade window, it's probably now with Downs still coming out of the concussion protocol. May not play again this week, but I think Pittman can bring back something very, very solid return. And then just looking at Adams coming off the three touchdown game without Pukinaku there going into their bye week, again, you know this is a sell high for a superstar. Not that he hasn't performed like one for a good portion of the season, but I just don't think it's as sustainable as what we just saw.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, Dave, time for your sell highs.

[Dave Richard]

It's Javante Williams and A.J.

[Jamie]

Brown.

[Dave Richard]

In the case of A.J. brown, he's coming off of a monster game. That's always a good time to sell high on somebody. The last time A.J. brown came off of a Monster game. He scored less than three PPR points the very next game. Not predicting that for this week for AJ Brown, but just saying that he's at a high point. All of a sudden we're going to buy into Philadelphia being able to throw the ball. It's just not what I would expect their identity to be rest of season and that they will eventually go back to being at least balanced between running and passing, if not run heavy, and that Saquon will get his act together. So I, I do. I am nervous about A.J. brown being, you know, 20 PPR points per game.

[Jamie]

Good.

[Dave Richard]

That seems like a stretch. But I, I'm saying sell high. I'm not saying sell for whatever. If you can trade him and get, you know, a low end running back and a really good wide receiver in exchange for him, I, I wouldn't be opposed to that at all.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so would you trade A.J. brown for. I mean, look, we got to be realistic here, right?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

DeAndre Swift. Let's start with that. Swift or A.J. brown?

[Dave Richard]

I think it's close between the two. I think I have. I'm looking right now. Swift. I've got it. 18 points in PPR or Brown. I do. Swift is spot higher. So give me Swift.

[Adam Azer]

Would you trade A.J. brown for Travis ETN and Zay Flowers?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave Richard]

That's a, that is a deal that I like. Assuming that we've got Lamar Jackson coming back.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, here's what I mean.

[Dave Richard]

I wish he had practiced. If. Once we see Lamar Jackson practicing, I feel real good about him playing this week. And that's obviously a huge key to Zay Flowers.

[Adam Azer]

Here's what I like about A.J.

[Jamie]

Brown. He.

[Dave Richard]

He convinced me. Adam.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, no, I mean, look, he's got the Giants this week. They. They might be without two defensive backs. We're going to start him this week. We have to start him this week.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Adam Azer]

I mean, with the buys and the injuries and whatever.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, start everybody who's decent.

[Adam Azer]

Look at the schedule. After the buy at Green Bay, Detroit, at Dallas, we've got potential shootouts there. We got the Bears. After that. At the Chargers, we got a potential shootout. We got the Raiders after that, we've got Washington and Buffalo in the fantasy championships. Both games are on the road, so could have bad weather, but we've got a lot of really good offenses left on the Eagles schedule. Could be a pass heavy rest of season. You know, pass heavy for them. Could be 30, 32 pass attempts, but that's still a lot. And that's. That's eight or more targets. Every week for A.J. brown, maybe. So that's what I see when I look at the Eagle schedule. I see a lot of potential high scoring games which could be very good for their passing game.

[Heath Cummings]

The thing that there I'll give a positive and a negative. The negative is I think one of A.J. brown's touchdowns last week was the same stupid route he's been running all year where he runs 10 route yards, turns around and stops. But then he just decided to take off down the sideline.

[Dave Richard]

He was, he was pointed in that direction from Dale in Hertz.

[Heath Cummings]

What a great quarterback. And this the second thing speaking, speaking of a great quarterback, there are six quarterbacks who have a catchable target rate of 89 or better. Jalen Hurts is one of them and he has the highest air yards per attempt of anybody on that list. Like the thing, like hopefully they continue to throw more of these deep passes because Jalen Hurts is doing a phenomenal job making those ball sketchable.

[Adam Azer]

Well, even he had said that he hadn't been playing that. Look, I'm on your side. I think the Jalen Hurts criticism by the national media is insane. And the local media, there's. Yes, there are things he doesn't do well, but like we ignore the things that he does incredibly well. He also is not running like three straight games where he is just not running. It is bizarre. So that's Gonna actually hurt A.J. brown when he starts running again. But I just, I look at that. I mean he will, it's, it's, you know, he's not gonna stop running. He had negative 10 rushing yards in week, in week seven. But again, I mean that schedule like enticed me with A.J. brown. It's just something to think about. Dave, if you're, I know targets have.

[Jamie]

Been there for him and that's the encouraging thing too. It's not like we're waiting for these targets to come.

[Adam Azer]

Exactly. Dave. Javante Williams. What the hell. I hope you're wrong about that because I have so much. I mean this guy's got one of the best roles in fantasy. Unfortunately, he's one of the least productive receiving running backs. It's unbelievable. But he gets targets. He gets all their carries. He's your goal line guy. We like the Cowboys. What are we doing here? Why are we selling high on Javante?

[Dave Richard]

You've got to sell very high on Javante because I do view him as like a top five, six type of running back rest of season. But the schedule is going to get harder and I imagine that at some point the Dallas offense will start to either struggle or struggle to run the ball and or get into a bunch of high scoring shootouts where Dax just going to have a bunch of games where he throws a ton of and there isn't much there. Two weeks ago we saw this against Carolina and and Javante Williams didn't have a good game then. So it's not again it's not a call to get these guys off your team. It's if you can turn them, if you can upgrade them, do it. If you can sell high and get more value for them now because a few weeks from now I don't think they're gonna have the same value. That's the point.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. He does have tough run defenses and.

[Dave Richard]

I and I am kind of a little squeamish on Javante. Rest of season to be perfect.

[Jamie]

Who are you aiming for to trade to get upgrade original.

[Dave Richard]

I mean I'm looking to try and turn him into. I can't do it just with him but find me Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, you know, one of the studs or take me to wide receiver, top five type of wide receiver. I know I'm gonna have to give up something with Javante Williams to touch any of those guys.

[Adam Azer]

Right.

[Dave Richard]

I don't know if Javante was going to carry the same value if he has two mediocre games in a row.

[Adam Azer]

How about no, I, I don't start.

[Jamie]

To that I just getting nervous about him when I've seen pie in the sky to get those type of players.

[Dave Richard]

No, not unless you some of those players. I've got a 1 in 16 with Bijan Robinson and so if I was desperate to start winning games, I've got to break up Bijan Robinson, Bijan Robinson, B Robinson into two good starters from my team getting Javante Williams and another wide receiver. You can give me Z. Flowers. I'd have to look at that really hard.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You would trade Robinson for Javante and Zay Flowers.

[Dave Richard]

I would consider it.

[Adam Azer]

I mean look, I made that I made a trade that's that I thought was great. Turned out to be horrible. I traded McCaffrey for Kyron Williams and Nico Collins. I'm losing that big time. But that's.

[Dave Richard]

I think some of that has to do with just the issues in Houston.

[Adam Azer]

But I think I knew about those issues. But if you trade, if you trade Javante will. If you trade Javante Williams and someone. I mean would. Would Javante Williams and like Devonte Adams be enough for Christian McCaffrey or too much.

[Dave Richard]

I think it would be close. I think it would be close enough but it complete there's context that's needed because the person that has Christian McCaffrey isn't going to auto do that trade. They've got to have a need for wide receiver.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I I will just say just for people listening, like Javante hasn't just been a volume merchant.

[Dave Richard]

There's two running back, really good efficiency.

[Heath Cummings]

There's two running backs that are averaging more than four yards after contact per rush attempt and one of them will he said his name a bunch of times a bunch of different ways. Bijan Robinson and the other one's, the other one's Javante Williams.

[Adam Azer]

All right. Well I'm wondering if Jordan Mason going to join that group this week because he's got a what's looking like a great matchup. We'll talk about that when we come back. Minnesota's at the Chargers. Then we're going to do some superlatives and some second half predictions and we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Business owners I'm going to give you a tool that will make a huge difference for you. It's called Quo Formerly Open Phone. It's the same great business phone system I've talked about before, just with a new name. And here's why it matters. Every time you miss a call, you're leaving money on the table. You need a phone system that keeps up and helps you stay connected 24 7. And that's why you need Quo. Over 90,000 businesses trust Quo formerly OpenPhone to streamline their customer communications. It works through an app on your phone or computer, so no more carrying two phones or using a landline. With Quo, your team can share one number and collaborate on customer calls and texts like a shared inbox. So anyone can jump in and keep response times fast and forget voicemail. Quo's built in AI agent can be set up in minutes to handle calls after hours, answer questions and capture leads so you never miss a customer. Get started free. Plus get 20% off your first six [e-mail] FFT that's quo.com FFT and if you have existing numbers with another service, Quo will port them over at no extra charge. Quo no missed calls, no missed customers.

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All right, Dave. Thursday Night Football Minnesota's at the Chargers. The stat of the game from weeks five through seven the last three weeks, the Chargers are allowing the second most points per game in the NFL. The only team worse has been the Bengals. They are tied. The Bengals and the Chargers are tied most yards per play allowed. Over the last three weeks, the Chargers have given up 27 points to the Commanders, 27 at Miami, 38 points to the Colts. In their last three games, their run defense has been horrible. They're getting a little bit healthier. I was reading about it in the Athletic and the reasons for the struggles against the run. One of them was the absence of Khalil Mack, who played a little bit last week, the absence of Denzel Perryman who came back last week, etc. Etc. I'll skip all the details, but hopefully they're getting better. But holy cow. I mean, this defense has been horrible. Jamie, are we expecting the Vikings to put up a big number here against the Chargers on the road Thursday?

[Jamie]

There. There's certainly the potential for that. It's hard to to Trust Carson Wentz because the pass offense has not looked great and the past defense for the Chargers has still been very solid prior to the Colts game. So will they have the same type of success? I think Wentz is in the, you know, low end starting conversation given the week and, and the teams that are by. But I think you just look at the. The body of work for the Chargers and you wonder, can. Can they have that level of success? So I don't want to, you know, fully buy into Wentz like I'm starting him in super flex and two quarterback leagues, but in a one quarterback league there, I'd rather start Flacco by far.

[Adam Azer]

Would you rather start Tyrod Taylor against the Bengals, assuming the jets quarterback or Wentz?

[Jamie]

If Garrett Wilson plays, I would start to Rod Taylor. I don't think we'll know that though, by Thursday night.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. All right, Heath, how much is your ranking of Jordan Mason, who is facing a team that, as I said earlier, has allowed 29 or more fantasy points to three straight running backs? That would be Chicory Crosby, Merrick, Devon Achan and Jonathan Taylor. How much would your ranking of Jordan Mason change if Aaron Jones is activated?

[Heath Cummings]

It would probably go down a couple of spots. I think I've got them right around RB20 right now. I think, like, you might see his share of the workload go down just a little bit, but he's got one game with over a 70 snapshare and it was last week. And Xavier Scott got hurt last week, right?

[Adam Azer]

I didn't think so. Did he?

[Heath Cummings]

He's got a. He's got a red cross next to his name.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, okay.

[Jamie]

I think he was her coming into the week.

[Heath Cummings]

So, like, you look at his touches, and it was 15 last week. It was 18 the week before. He's got a 16 and an 18 in there. Well, he had a 16 and a 12 with Aaron Jones, so maybe you expect he's going to have 14 touches instead of 16 touches this week. I just. The catches are so inconsistent. Yeah, you've got two, three catch games sandwiched in between two, zero catch games. And I think if Aaron Jones is back, you're probably not getting more than maybe one catch. And as good, as bad as the Chargers run defense has been the last three weeks is how bad the Vikings run offense has been the last three weeks.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, rank the running backs in this game. Mason's one.

[Jamie]

Mason.

[Heath Cummings]

I've got Vidal over Mason.

[Jamie]

Oh, Mason's one, Vidal is two. Jones would be three.

[Adam Azer]

And Jamie. Are you saying Mason's one with or without Aaron Jones.

[Jamie]

Yes. Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Again, I mean six and a half yards allowed to running backs in their last three games for the Chargers. So they're hoping that the better health is going to result in, you know, better defense. But by the way, these two teams are, are two of the most pass heavy teams. The Vikings are back to having a very, very high pass rate, which is good. Heath, why? We'll get back to that in a second. Why are you optimistic about Videl coming off a game with seven and a half fantasy points against the Colts?

[Heath Cummings]

Well, as much as we talk about how bad the Chargers defense. Defense has been recently, the Chargers are still favorites on a short week and the Vikings have an implied total of I think 20 and a half and the Chargers are at 24. I generally lean towards the home team on a short week and I don't know that the Vikings run defense is, is great either.

[Adam Azer]

It's been pretty up and down like last week. It was great against Barkley. The week before. It was terrible against Judkins. Then terrible against gain. Well, they've had ups and downs for sure. Okay. And then Jamie, why. Where do you have Vidal?

[Jamie]

He's in the top 24, but it's by default. If this was a normal week, he would be outside the top 24. I just, we have a two game sample size of what this Chargers rush offense looks like without a Mary Hampton there. And it was one great game against the Miami Dolphins and it was one terrible game against Indianapolis Colts. And so I think the Vikings run defense is probably the best run defense that they faced. And so if he's going to struggle against the Colts and especially if the Vikings offense shows up, I think we've seen enough now that they'll quickly abandon the run. So I'm just a little bit nervous about what Vidal is going to look like if he doesn't score a touchdown.

[Adam Azer]

Here's a question. Start two this week in full ppr. Rico Dowdle. Bill Vidal.

[Heath Cummings]

I would sit.

[Jamie]

Bill. I would say Bell too. Okay.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Hopefully Vidal gets some targets. As someone mentioned the chat, you know, in that. Because he doesn't. Because what's his name, Bill doesn't really get those. How about this? Matthew golden or Kamani Vidal.

[Heath Cummings]

Vital.

[Jamie]

I'd go Vidal, but that Steeler secondary looks so bad last week. Like hopefully Jordan Love can take advantage of it with golden, but it's hard to trust golden right now as a, as a guy in comparison to at least, you know, Vidal is getting touches.

[Adam Azer]

All right, let's talk about the Wide receivers in this game. Oh, well, let's save that. Let's save that real quick. Starter sit. Justin Herbert.

[Jamie]

Start.

[Adam Azer]

Herbert. Or dart at Philadelphia?

[Heath Cummings]

Herbert.

[Adam Azer]

I would go Herbert Herbert or Caleb Williams at Baltimore?

[Heath Cummings]

Herbert Herbert.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so here's. I'm hoping that this does not.

[Heath Cummings]

You.

[Adam Azer]

Know, come true, but the Vikings see the second fewest pass attempts per game in the NFL and they're facing a team that throws the ball more than any team in football. So I'm hoping that we get that because last week we had the same situation. It was the Niners versus the Falcons and the Niners through 26 times. So I'm, I'm. We're hoping for that, you know, 35 to 45 pass attempt game for Justin Herbert.

[Jamie]

To be, to be fair, they faced the Browns.

[Adam Azer]

Talking about Minnesota.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

It's every single week teams aren't throwing on them. I went through every game log. Why aren't teams throwing on Minnesota? And I honestly cannot come up with a great reason. Some of them have just been run heavy teams. Last week, the Eagles couldn't really run the ball. They threw 23 passes and they torched them, but they only ran 49 plays. It's been a different reason almost every week.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I mean, the thing I think I come back to is Justin Herbert's playing very well and they just gave up five passing touchdowns in the last two games to Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Hurts. And so to Heath's point about Jalen Hurts taking unfair criticism, he's still not the best passer in the league and he's not at Justin Herbert's level of a passer with what the strength of the Chargers offense is right now. Like, those four pass catchers should have a field day.

[Adam Azer]

Everybody just stay tuned and maybe record this. Heath's head might explode. If anyone says anything bad about Jalen Hurts. For the rest of the show, Heath ranked the wide receivers in this.

[Jamie]

It was really bad about Jalen Hurts. I just don't think he's Justin Herbert as a passer.

[Adam Azer]

Right.

[Heath Cummings]

I don't know how we could ever expect Jalen Hurts to have as much success in his career as Justin.

[Jamie]

Not success in career.

[Adam Azer]

That what he said.

[Jamie]

It's throwing of the football.

[Adam Azer]

Two people are as good as a pure passer as Herbert.

[Heath Cummings]

Man, I, I think you could just about throw the Chargers into like if anybody used to play bingo a long time ago. You just put the three balls in the thing and spin it around and draw one out because go. I've gone through the data and the Only thing that really stands out is that nothing.

[Adam Azer]

Yep.

[Heath Cummings]

Like. Like there's. There's not anything that really gives you a good indicator. So I mostly am just starting all three of the Chargers. I have it currently ranked Keenan, Lad, Quentin, but they're all between 10 and 20 and I would just start all three of them. Jefferson is ahead of all of them. I think I've got Addison behind all of them, but he's a start also, so just start all five wide receivers in this game.

[Adam Azer]

Jamie, your thoughts?

[Jamie]

I agree. The order for me is Jefferson 1. Allen 2, McConkey 3, Addison 4, Johnston 5.

[Adam Azer]

Got some questions in the chat. Maybe this will clear things up. First of all, some Herbert questions. Yeah, exactly. Herbert or Nicks?

[Jamie]

Bo Nicks is my start of the week, so I'd go next. I have one spot ahead.

[Heath Cummings]

I've got Herbert one spot ahead. But they're both starts.

[Adam Azer]

Herbert or Drake May against Cleveland?

[Jamie]

Herbert.

[Heath Cummings]

Herbert.

[Adam Azer]

Quinton Johnston or Kamani Vidal. Or start both and sit Wondale or Diggs in half ppr.

[Heath Cummings]

I just don't understand these people who have all of these good players to start this week. Did you not draft anybody with a week eight by Fantastic. Good job.

[Adam Azer]

All of these guys were late picks. You know that also, like, this is right.

[Heath Cummings]

That's true.

[Jamie]

This is what you consider great players, right?

[Heath Cummings]

Well, for this week.

[Jamie]

No, I, I get it. But it's just funny.

[Heath Cummings]

Like, look at the names.

[Jamie]

Quinn, Johnson, Waiver wire guy, Vidal, Waiver wire guy, Wandell, potentially waiver wire guy Diggs. We didn't know what to expect.

[Adam Azer]

I, I think, boy, this is tough. I think I'm sitting Kamani Vidal, but.

[Jamie]

I'm sending by that to you.

[Heath Cummings]

I would probably actually Wandale.

[Adam Azer]

Sorry, Heath, go ahead.

[Jamie]

No, I, I. Wanda is my favorite of this list.

[Adam Azer]

Half PPR though. Like full PPR, maybe half PPR. I'm not, I don't know.

[Jamie]

7 for 95 every week looks pretty good to me, no matter what.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, like, I don't. I'll never trust Wando, but I see your point.

[Heath Cummings]

F ppr. I think I've got Johnston the lowest, but.

[Adam Azer]

All right, but that's. They're all in the same boat. Videl or Quentin Johnston.

[Jamie]

Johnson.

[Heath Cummings]

It'd be Vidal for me.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam Azer]

And then the tight ends, Hawkinson or Gadsden, who do you like better? You know, Hawkins.

[Jamie]

I mean, pretty good his last three games, 9.8 PPR points or more, you know, so six targets each of the last two games. So may six catches the last two games. Like he's.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, his only, like, really bad games were with McCarthy with McCarthy throwing 22 times a game or something like that. And now they're throwing a lot more and Hawkins.

[Jamie]

It is a tough matchup, though.

[Adam Azer]

It is, yeah. Seventh fewest fantasy points. All right, who would you start Gadsden over? People are spending all their fab on him. I got Gadsden or Hunter Henry in the chat. That's easy one, right? We think Gadson.

[Jamie]

Oh, I don't know if you saw what I tweeted yesterday. I just happened to be in the car and Arande Gadsden senior, his father does a local radio spot with Mark Hockman and channing Crowder on WQAM560WQM in Miami. And he said he's benched his son each of the last two weeks in his fantasy league. And he said he will stay on the bench because I'm not messing with karma.

[Adam Azer]

Ah, there we go.

[Heath Cummings]

That's well done. Good job, dad. Gatson over Henry Mason.

[Adam Azer]

Taylor or Gadsden?

[Jamie]

Gadston Gaston. But I do like Taylor this week.

[Adam Azer]

Gadsden or Jake Ferguson. Non ppr.

[Jamie]

Ferguson.

[Adam Azer]

Ferguson Gal. Let's see, we got Aaron Jones if he plays. Or Tyler Algier.

[Jamie]

Oh, man. I like Algeria a lot this week. I'd probably go Jones in PPR and Algeria and half and none.

[Dave Richard]

Sure.

[Adam Azer]

How about Gadsden or Dalton Kincaid?

[Jamie]

I like Kincaid a lot if he plays, but I probably would play it safe and go gets and it's just because you don't know.

[Heath Cummings]

I would like. Unless we get a really strong indicator in the next 36 hours, it's gonna have to be Gadsden.

[Adam Azer]

Gadsden or Goddard.

[Jamie]

I would go. Got it.

[Heath Cummings]

I have Goddard.

[Jamie]

Higher.

[Adam Azer]

Gadsden or Kittle. Kiddo, are you starting a DST?

[Jamie]

I prefer not to.

[Adam Azer]

These DSTs have stunk. They have really stunk. But both teams are a little turnover prone. Try to get away from these DSTs. And that is it for Thursday Night Football. Dave. Nah, Dave had to leave. By the way. He is sorry about that. He had to leave. Mid game preview there. All right, Mid season awards mvp, rookie of the year, biggest bust and best waiver wire ads. Jamie, who's your MVP?

[Jamie]

Jonathan Taylor.

[Adam Azer]

Heath, who's your MVP?

[Heath Cummings]

Christian McCaffrey.

[Adam Azer]

I don't even know who I'm. They're both such good answers. You got a little bit more draft value from Taylor.

[Jamie]

McCaffrey was my original answer before I. Delete, delete, delete. And put Jonathan Taylor. Because I think they're both worthy. But I went exactly with what you just said. The, the draft cost.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, McCaffrey's averaging 1.4 more PPR fantasy points per game, but they're. They're both over 25. That's insane. Biggest bust. No, no, wait. Rookie of the year. Rookie of the year.

[Jamie]

Stick with the Colts. Tyler Warren.

[Heath Cummings]

I win a booker.

[Adam Azer]

Do you guys think a Mecha Buka is going to be a top five wide receiver? Top eight wide receiver. I wrote yesterday.

[Heath Cummings]

He might be a top five wide receiver rest of season. Yeah, I, I think I'd like it a little better if they do get Godwin back, because I don't think Godwin's going to keep a book of from seeing 10 targets a game. But I think it might help him if there was somebody else that defenses cared about. It was a little bit scary. Like, Baker air mailed a couple of those throws on Monday, but it was a little bit scary to see the, the double coverage so often on Ibuka.

[Jamie]

I think it was the. If I'm not mistaken, the Eagles game was the first one he played without Evans and Godwin.

[Adam Azer]

Did he play without Evans and Godwin?

[Jamie]

I don't.

[Adam Azer]

He had 10 targets. I thought, I thought Godwin played that game.

[Jamie]

Maybe that was Godwin's first game back. Yeah, but that was where he needed the, the big play where the two defensive backs ran into each other.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Godwin played that game. Ibuka had had a huge game. Okay, how about biggest bust?

[Jamie]

I think I said Brian Thomas Jr.

[Heath Cummings]

Yes. And I think that's. That's a good answer. I said Saquon Barkley because he was. I just looked at CBS, ADP, and Saquon Barkley was the third pick and Brian Thomas was the 21st pick. And Saquon's only been two and a half points per game better than Brian Thomas.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I mean, to think you Bijan Robinson, Saquon Barkley, Jameer Gibbs, back to back to back, just, oh, brutal pick of Barkley and then the best waiver wire ad so far.

[Jamie]

I, I struggled with this with Daniel Jones. I almost was going to just put all cults, but I struggled with this with Daniel Jones versus Rico Dowdle and I went with Dawnle just because those two games that you started him one year week.

[Heath Cummings]

Yep. I went downtown.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. All right. Let's talk about the second half superlatives then. We're gonna look ahead here. Who's going to be the fantasy MVP in the second half?

[Jamie]

I said James Cook. You know, just coming off of their buy, he was good at the start of the season. We've had the last lull prior to their bye week. You've heard a lot of chatter about not getting in the ball enough. And we know what he was last year and what he looked like at the start of this season, which was amazing. So he could be, I mean you're clearly starting him every week, but could be one of the top five running backs in fantasy rest of the way.

[Adam Azer]

Sorry, what I'm laughing about in a moment.

[Heath Cummings]

Good. I may have been too influenced by Monday night, but I said Jameer Gibbs, you know, we had a lot of questions about how the Detroit offense might be different coming into this year. And it seems like the way that it's different is let's just give our best players the ball more often and not use as many guys as often. And David Montgomery ended up with 13 carries and two catches in on Monday night. But a lot of that was they just ran them into the line the last two series because the game was over.

[Adam Azer]

So I asked on Twitter who people thought would be the MVP of the second half. And one of the one I was laughing at was someone put the gif of Rob Gronkowski saying amika egg big Boo, which just cracks me up every time. But Rashi Rice I think is a really good answer here. Yeah, a lot of people said Rashi Rice and people said like Jonathan Taylor. Someone said Saquon. I, I just don't really see it with Saquon. Obviously it could happen. I went back, I watched this guy. I mean I saw the game live and then I went back and I watched his carries against Minnesota and he's still making some breathtaking plays, spinning away from guys in the backfield. He's just not hitting the home runs. He doesn't have a 20 yard carry yet. I don't really have. My, my theory is that the offensive line is not getting to the second level like they were. It's just a theory. I'm not qualified to say, to say that definitively. But I see Barkley. It's not like he's. Nobody thinks he's washed up. It's not like he stinks. He's still doing good things like you can see it in the passing game. But I cannot find a seven game stretch in his career. I went back, looked at his career 3.3 yards per carry. Right now I can't find a stretch like this. I found some similar stretches, but they were mostly in either a one of his kind of down seasons or B coming off a mid season injury. This is, this is getting pretty worrisome now with Saquon Barley. I think better things are ahead. I just don't know. These gonna be the fantasy mvp.

[Jamie]

I think the, the things you got to look at and we're gonna again have. These may not happen this year, but whenever there's the workload and the small sample size of the 2,000 yard rushers, he's on pace right now. Every single one of them. Yeah. Declined by 500 yards or more.

[Adam Azer]

I know, but this is extreme. I feel like. I feel like he could be a 4.2 yards per carry kind of guy rest of season and if he is, he's going to be really good. He can't be 3.3. He's not going to be 5.5 or whatever he was last year at Barkley.

[Jamie]

I mean a yard, a yard jump is pretty big.

[Adam Azer]

It is. But you. It's not uncommon to see that kind of regression, you know, from. For a player like Barkley to have a bet. If it were like a four or five game stretch, it'd be one thing. Seven games is getting somewhere. I just think that he's still showing a lot of explosiveness. It's. It's been mostly in the passing game. But you still see the speed. Don't. I can't really diagnose it quite honestly.

[Jamie]

The line hasn't been as good. There have been injuries there.

[Adam Azer]

It's just the line.

[Heath Cummings]

I'm not sure we've seen that. I think we've seen. Not to be pedantic, but I think we've seen more of the quickness and lateral agility than we've seen the speed. He hasn't really been able to open it up.

[Adam Azer]

Like. No, he hasn't. I don't know if that's his fault, but like if he could spin away from guys who are right in front of his face multiple times in the last game and you know, I don't know. I don't know what it is.

[Jamie]

I just.

[Adam Azer]

He's not washed up. Because people are asking in the chat, is Barkley, Barkley? I've seen a lot of Barkley here. I. I believe he's not washed up. I also think this line excuse is kind of ridiculous. Like, I know the Eagles line hasn't been nearly as good. It's still really good. It's still a good offensive line. At worst, it's average. It's not like Saquon Barkley is running behind the Texans offensive.

[Jamie]

No, but that's the difference between the 2000 yard season and then 3.3 yards per carry.

[Adam Azer]

That's my thing. I don't think it should be the difference between a 2000 yard season and 3.3. I think it should be the difference between 5.5 and 4.2. You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I hope maybe. Who's the comeback player of the year based on a bad first half?

[Jamie]

I said lad McConkey started to show some life the last couple of weeks. We know that they're going to struggle to run the ball at least until Hampton returns based on one game. But I don't really trust Kamani by doubt to be the catalyst of their offense. So for a quarterback and Justin Herbert who is going to throw the ball around 40 times per game if not more, I think there's a lot to like about lad McCake situation even in a crowded receiving core.

[Heath Cummings]

I said Ted Roll McMillan because Adams told us all year how bad he's been in the first half. And so hopefully the rookie can like light basically the same thing as Luther Burden and Treveon Henderson. Hopefully he can turn things around in the second half.

[Adam Azer]

I'm hopeful for him, but he's averaging 11.9 fantasy points per game and he is wide receiver. 36 per game in full PPR, 35 per game in full PPR. I'm gonna take a guy. Actually, I wasn't even thinking about this. Right above him in points per game. I'm gonna say Stefan Diggs. Some very good underlying data with Stefan Diggs. We just need to see him play more and he's.

[Jamie]

This doesn't fit the category though.

[Adam Azer]

He's averaging 12 points per game.

[Jamie]

No, you said somebody who we thought was going to be great that struggled in the first half of the season.

[Adam Azer]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Jamie]

When nobody thought he was going to be great.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, no, no, I didn't say something. I didn't say that you thought was going to be comeback player of the year. Okay. Honestly, I wasn't planning on saying Diggs. I just looked up McMillan's points per game, saw digs right ahead of him. I think dig is a good buy low guy. We should have sold high on Pittman.

[Jamie]

Quentin Johnston. Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. All right. I got an email of the day. It's from Grant. Grant got bored and he asked chatgpt to describe what what it thinks each of us would be as Halloween candy. Okay. So for me, ChatGPT thinks I'm plain M and M'S I'm the guy who says I don't like peanut butter and chocolate's too rich, so you know he's going with something basic and universal. Okay, none of that is true. Chat GPT. I do love playing M M's. Jamie is Snickers. He is balanced chocolate, caramel nuts, a little chewy, universally loved, just like Jamie's fantasy takes. Dave is Reese's Peanut Butter cups a total classic that's been around forever. Exactly like Dave's. You don't sit your studs approach. I don't know if Dave has that approach. ChatGPT kind of sucks. Heath is dark chocolate or dark chocolate almonds health conscious. This is ridiculous. Love both health conscious, sophisticated and a little contrarian. Okay, that's not bad.

[Heath Cummings]

You know. You know, I've said a lot of bad things about AI but it sounds like it's getting better.

[Adam Azer]

While everyone else is pounding candy corn, Heath's enjoying his antioxidant rich cacao with 72% cocoa solids.

[Heath Cummings]

The quote is spot on.

[Jamie]

Yeah, good.

[Adam Azer]

It should be. While everyone else is enjoying Halloween, Heath is doing something else. Dan Schneier is Sour Patch Kids. He starts sour. He's got that sharp, intense New York energy. But once you get to know him, he's sweet underneath. And Jacob Gibbs, Smarties. Come on. It's right there in the name. He's the data wizard who politely teaches everyone why their priors are wrong. This is great. This is a hell of a bowl of candy. Eminem, Snickers, Reese, peanut butter cups, Sour Patch Kids and dark chocolate almond.

[Jamie]

It's a diabetic stream.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, it is. Welcome to Halloween.

[Heath Cummings]

Actually, dark chocolate's good for your health.

[Adam Azer]

I've heard that. All right, I'll finish with stats that have caught my eye. Give me a quick reaction. Minnesota very pass heavy again. Justin Jefferson has one touchdown on the season. Do you think maybe he's about to just go off in the second half?

[Jamie]

That would probably depend on how much you believe in J.J. mcCarthy. Right? Because if McCarthy is good, then there's huge upside for Jefferson if McCarthy is going to struggle like we saw at least in that Falcons game. And I think Heath nailed it. Like, probably didn't realize the Falcons how good they are. You might be a little bit nervous about that. Plus, now Jordan Addison's back, but I think there's still huge potential for Jefferson, who's proven he could be successful with almost any quarterback he's played with.

[Heath Cummings]

I think he'll be better than he has been. I'm not sure he's going to explode.

[Adam Azer]

Among 70 wide receivers with 25 or more targets, I'm going to give you three that have really good advanced metrics. In at least two of these three metrics. Target per out, run rate, yards per out, run rate, first down per route, run rate. Stefan Diggs is top 16 in all three of them. He's top five. And two of them, Ricky Pearsall and Josh Downs are top 10 in two of those three methods metrics. Downs is kind of always there. He just doesn't play enough.

[Heath Cummings]

But that's, that is exactly the point. I think that that stat, that group of stats that you just gave really illustrates guys that don't run all of the routes often have better metrics on these. Like he's not a guy. A guy that runs 90 of the routes is. It's much more difficult for them to be top. Now if you're JSN, it isn't right. But like Diggs has one game where he's played 60 of the snaps this year.

[Adam Azer]

I think he said two games where he's played where he's run like 75 or more of the routes. I'm just hoping that goes up. Look, Drake May is having an MVP like season. I really think Diggs has a chance to just crush everyone in targets on that team.

[Heath Cummings]

There was a great graphic last night that was shared that showed like the best second year QBs and passes of 20 or more yards and Drake May is basically breaking the chart.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Heath Cummings]

But the funny thing was like some of the, the three worst I think were Goff and Lamar and somebody else who was really good. And the three best were Purdy and Kaepernick and Tua like so is Drake May on the right end?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, well. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Who do you think right now is is second MVP voting?

[Adam Azer]

Oh, he might be first because my homes is one. Oh, I thought Baker was, was one but Baker just had that horrible game. If Mahomes is one, I guess Baker's two for me then May Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I don't think there is a very good right now.

[Adam Azer]

Daniel Jones deserves credit. But I think, I think. No, I think when you watch the tape of Daniel Jones you see a lot of really terrible throws. So I think Jonathan Taylor actually would get my vote ahead of Daniel Jones. But Jones had a great year but not MVP year. What's your top three, Jamie?

[Jamie]

I would go Mahomes, May and Mayfield. In. In the order would be Mahomes, Mayfield, May.

[Adam Azer]

All right, grade this trade from Andrew. I get Jake Ferguson and Zay flowers. I give Tyler Warren and either Jordan Addison or T. Higgins. This is an F minus. Do not do it.

[Jamie]

Tell me again. Sorry.

[Adam Azer]

He would give up Warren and either Addison or Higgins to get Ferguson and flowers.

[Jamie]

Why is it F?

[Adam Azer]

It's a D. It's a D. It's not an F. I wouldn't do it.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't do it either but it feels like it's a wash. Like you're just trading to trade.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. From Kyle. Would you trade Derrick Henry and a mecca Abuka for Jamar chase in a 12 team PPR league?

[Jamie]

That's a lot. If you really believe Joe Flacco is this then it's worth it.

[Heath Cummings]

I'd have to have three other running backs. I'm okay starting.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. Would you trade?

[Jamie]

I mean Abuka. I know Dave said this before Flacco but he said he would take a buka. This was pre hamstring injury. Mike Evans was out at the time but Dave said I think he had in straight chart. I know we talked about this off the air. He said he would take a book over Jamar Chase rest of season weeks ago this was pika buka Chase had just lost.

[Heath Cummings]

What a great team name.

[Adam Azer]

What?

[Heath Cummings]

Peekabooka.

[Adam Azer]

That's good. Yeah. All right. That's where I end our show on that. That was a good one Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

It was Jamie's.

[Adam Azer]

No. What was a good spot? Good team name by Jamie. Good spot by Heath and I did nothing. Thanks for watching everybody and we will talk to you tomorrow on fantasy football today with starter situation for the AFC home.

[Heath Cummings]

See ya.

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