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FFT Dynasty - 2025 NFL Draft Running Back Prospects Part 2! (04/08 Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Heath Cummings
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Heath Cummings
Welcome to Fantasy Football today Dynasty. I am your host, Heath Cummings. I'm joined once again by Jacob Gibbs. This is the rookie running back preview part two and we're going to start immediately with a comment from YouTube. Brian, before the show even starts, let Jacob talk more, please. Love the show. I'll tell you what, if you want to hear Jacob talk more, this is the show for you. We are breaking down RB7 through 12 in the consensus running back rankings. We will talk about Devin Neil, RJ Harvey, Dylan Sampson, Ollie Gordon, DJ Giddens and more. We'll start, as we always do with three questions for our guest and we'll start with the and more. Gibbs, I want you to think about the names that we talked about last week on Friday, RB 1 through 6 in the class. We're doing 7 through 12 today. Who is your favorite back that we didn't talk about last week and we're not going to talk about later in the show?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. So Matt Waltman brought up two guys who would be my my first two answers for like real life and that's Demi Martinez and Taj Brooks. So it's almost like he's, he's good at his job. That my third answer would be Raheem Sanders and he has gone completely forgotten. But he was two years ago like, you know, maybe like the back in the SEC in terms of like looking ahead to upcoming draft classes. He had some injuries and they kind of tried to like reinvent his game and that didn't go super well. But I thought towards the end of his time at South Carolina he was really playing well. He's a guy who can contribute on all three downs. In fact, he tied Ashton Jinty for the most avoided tackles Throughout a career on receptions. Weird stat but like he's fun. They call him Rocket Sanders. He's a big guy but he does have some burst and he does have some wiggle. He can make people miss his, his advanced stats are pretty good. And then yeah, again, just like early, early breakout in the sec. Looked like a stud and I think he's somebody who might end up going in like round six or something. Just a name to really just keep in mind you can get them late in dynasty drafts. I think he has some juice.
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Heath Cummings
Still a 44640 at 217 pounds and the nickname Rocket. How could you go wrong with that? Question number two, I'm viewing these backs you mentioned with Sanders, maybe around six guy. I'm viewing the backs that we're going to talk about today as likely day three picks. We talk a lot about draft capital and landing spot on this show, especially with the rookies. How much will it matter to you if one of these guys creeps into day two or on the other side if one of these guys doesn't get drafted at all?
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Jacob Gibbs
I'm sure there's research on it. I wish that I had the time to find it before we got started here. Like I feel like Ryan Heath fantasypoints.com or like maybe JJ Zachary isn't of late round. QB.com are your best bets to have answered that specific question with data already because it's a great question. It's important. It definitely, it definitely feels important. The distinction between round three or undrafted like UDFAs. They can play themselves into a role but it is a clear signal of a team's belief in a player if they use draft capital on them. And I do think that's important. The most recent example just anecdotally would be Kamani Vidal. He comes to mind. He was a 17th running back selected in 2024 and a lot of us, you know, try to wish cast him into a potential role and I'll, I'll throw my name into that because he did have really cool, you know, advanced metrics and all of that. But the reality of the situation was yeah, 17th running back selected. Five teams decided to pass on him to take a different running back in round five. The Chargers had two fifth round picks, didn't take him in round five. And then eventually it gets picked around six and then, you know, we see even with multiple backfield injuries he was minimally involved as a rookie. And so I, I do think it matters when a team like does or does not indicate belief in a player.
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Heath Cummings
I I think it will be really interesting on the other side of that question there, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple of taken in the second half of round three on day two and then a couple of backs taken early in round four on day three. And we're going to have that whole evening of analysis and early Saturday morning where this back was a day two back and this guy isn't. And I do think that will maybe influence perception a little bit more than it will matter to me. Those those cut offs between pick 30 and pick 36, maybe not as big as they seem, or pick 90 and pick 106 not as big as they seem based on the cutoffs and when we start analyzing the players and how we view them as day one, day two, or day three picks, I want to we're going to talk so much today specifically about individual players. I want to zoom out just a little bit at the top here though, and just ask who for question number three, what do you think is the most important thing about running back evaluation?
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Jacob Gibbs
My favorite attribute is contact balance, which I would I would classify as like a subset of my favorite trait, which is a running back's ability to create yardage on their own. If we're talking specifically for fantasy evaluation, then my answer would be an ability to contribute receptions. Scott Barrett@ fantasypoints.com has detailed this for like, I mean, close to 10 years now. It's been known, and he updates the research. Even in non PBR leagues, a reception is worth much more than a rush attempt. And so running backs who are able to get on the field for three downs just are going to accumulate more points, especially if you're playing in any sort of PPR format. So if you look at running backs from this class who can do both, can get on the field on passing downs, potentially play three downs, and can create yardage on their own. There's actually quite a few names in there. You know, there's a reason that people like this class so much. At the top. You clearly have Ash and Genti and Omari and Hampton who fit the bill in terms of being able to do both. A couple other sneakier ones are Devin Neal and Ollie Gordon, who were really, really productive collegiate backs but have fallen down the board some. And I think that is fair because there are some I I have some questions about their ability to pick up yards after contact as an NFL player against NFL defenses, but they did it at a pretty good level at the collegiate level, and they definitely can play on passing downs. DJ Giddens, he. We're going to talk about him more later. He's definitely somebody who can do both. Some maybes are like Cam Scatterboo by Shell Thuton, R.J. harvey. Those guys are all exciting, but there are past protection concerns. RJ Harvey was asked to protect a lot in 2023. It didn't go particularly well and they scaled that role back in 2024 and it wasn't even worse. So, like, is he gonna be just an early down guy that maybe limits his fantasy appeal. But in terms of being able to create yards on their own, those guys are excellent. And if they are able to get on the field because they can create as, you know, pass catches out of the backfield. And we're looking at really exciting fantasy upside for guys you can get sort of later in your rookie drafts. Taj Brooks that Walden brought up last week definitely can do both. I don't know if it'll be at a high enough level for an NFL team to want to get him on the field all that often, but if he gets the opportunity, he can do both. He can create on his own and he can play on passing downs. And then a sneaky name that we're going to get to later, Jaqui Crosky Merritt can do both at a high level, I think. I'm really excited. We'll talk about him later.
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Heath Cummings
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Jacob Gibbs
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Heath Cummings
We are back and we are starting with the consensus RB7 in the 2025 running back class. It's Devin Neal out of Kansas. And I'm, I'm gonna be honest here at the start, Jacob. If we had done Friday's show based on Heath's preliminary top six and not the consensus top six, Devin Neal would have been in that group. And there's probably a little bit of bias on my part. I've watched more Kansas Jayhawks football than I would care to admit, and Devin Neal's been doing this for a while. Not, not a newcomer to the scene by any means in his last year, makes huge explosive plays and I think really maybe gets underrated a little bit in the passing game. So I'm super excited about Devin Neal. I, depending on landing spot, could have him as High as RB5 in this class. Where are you at on Neil and what's the evaluation?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, so Neil, you, you hit on it. He's been very productive. Only Ashton Jinty has more career PPR points from this class. But I do, you know, you'll notice that I listed his career point total, not a per game number. We'll get to some massive per game producers here in a second. That wasn't Neil so much. He was an accumulator and that's borne out in his advanced rushing data, middling avoided tackle rates. But that's not, that's definitely not the end all be all. I mean, people, I, I famously was worried about Saquon Barclays avoided tackle rates for reference, and then he went nuts. Another great example is Travion Henderson has the fourth lowest career rate in terms of avoided tackles per rush among the running backs in this class. But so that you can still be productive even if you're not making people miss a lot or creating a ton of yards on your own. But Neil is not exactly the big play speed threat that Henderson or Saquon Barkley are, you know, so that does give me some concern. I do think that he has the quickness to make, you know, one guy miss, you know, like make a miss in a phone booth, you know, that kind of thing. He's definitely got the lateral agility, but there are, I mean, as an athlete, he is a little bit underwhelming. That shows up in his testing. I do think it shows up on film. Another thing I would say about him is that while he, he can contribute on passing downs, he is a really natural and clean and smooth receiver. I think he might be like in the bottom half at least if not even like bottom third of this class as a rusher. And people are going to get up in arms. People really like Devin Neal and I get it. He's a great player, great collegiate player but like he's not as powerful as I think he should be for somebody at his, with his build he's 511, 211 to 15, something like that. But he had the fifth lowest success rate rushing success rate on short yardage runs. So what I'm talking about there success rate on the first two downs, if you get half of the yardage required to get a first down that's a success. On third and fourth down, if you get a first down that's a success. And then it just goes into this cumulative stat success rate short yardage runs are when three or fewer yards are needed. He wasn't very good on those. And I do think that shows up in a lack of contact balance and leg drive that a lot of running backs in this class have in spades. There are some really strong, more compact running backs. Neil doesn't quite have that. And so I just, I do wonder like what, what his role will be in the NFL. It feels like it might just be a career backup. I. I don't know. Like there if there are the NFL, it feels like the running back position is about to be really stacked in the NFL where there's like 40 or 45 running backs who are good and if most teams are going to have a guy who's better at getting those yardage that those extra yards that you need than Neil, I don't know what his role will be, but he's definitely intriguing. He's a really complete player.
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Heath Cummings
You think he's a little bit more dependent on landing it? Landing on a team that doesn't have one of those rushers right now because we know like you say 40 or 45, there's already I think we would say a handful up to 10 teams that may have two of those guys and there's going to be some teams that already have one and maybe it's an older one like a 29 or 30 year old running back and they're going to add a rookie. If Neil, let's say I'll give you a hypothetical landing spot lands, he's the first running back Denver takes in round four and now he's just competing with those guys and not with the other 40 running backs in the NFL. Does that landing spot Make a big difference for him.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, of course. Yeah. Denver is the ideal landing spot for, for running backs, especially if it's a running back who can contribute as a pass catcher. That would, that would be if, if he gets the Sean Payton vote of confidence and they don't have much else that they add, then it's like, yeah, push him up the board for sure. He, in that situation, he's like, I, I think you could put him close around one in dynasty startups, like, for sure. He definitely has the skill set to play all three downs. And at the end of the day, I mean, Joe Mixon has shown us for year after year after year, if you're playing all three downs, the NFL, you're probably going to be productive for fantasy.
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Heath Cummings
Neil has, it seems to me like a skill set that coaches may like a little bit more than fantasy managers. He seems to be at least adequate in past protection, maybe even good and absolutely no ball security concerns. I know somebody in the chat had said, I see David Montgomery when I look at Neil and I think you'd probably balk at that maybe a little bit because of the tackle avoidance that Montgomery was just exceptional at in college. But one thing that guys like Montgomery and even Jamal Williams before him in Detroit, there, there are coaches that really just like the guy who does what he's supposed to do. You think it's a good description of Neil?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, Montgomery is so much better, I think, as a strong runner and a contact balance guy and being able to get those short yardage runs that you need. I think comparison for Neil would be like Devin Singletary, but not as elusive. But like, that is kind of the fact that you're alluding to like somebody. I mean, coaches have definitely loved Singletary and he's gotten on the field every race.
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Heath Cummings
That will do it for Devin Neal, who again, is my RB5 or 6 in the class right now. He's currently RB7 in the consensus rankings. Landing spots going to matter a lot for him. Jacob thinks, you know, he may be just a backup running back in the NFL, but in the right opportunity, he could definitely move up draft boards. Let's get to RB8 in the class. And I think I saw you tweeting about this guy either last night or this morning. RJ Harvey out of ucf.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I love RJ Harvey. He's a hilarious guy to follow up Neo because they're just complete opposites. RJ Harvey's strength is his weakness. He, you know, if he shows up to the interview and they ask what his weakness is he can say that I'm always trying to, you know, create more than there is there. And it's true. He's always trying to maximize every situation and make a big run happen. And that's borne out in the data. Like when met at or behind the line of scrimmage, he had the third highest stuffed rate and so stuff is qualified as a run that gained zero or negative yardage. So third highest stuffed rate in the class on runs where initial contact was met at the line of scrimmage. But he had one of the highest yards after contact per rush rates on those runs. And so he does create big plays on those runs quite often. But, you know, he's also taking negative plays. And so the question is, can he, can he be somebody like Bucky Irving where like that, that's the player that people like to compare him to. Can he do that at a, you know, efficient enough clip that he can continue to get on the field or is he just going to annoy his, his, you know, coach? Because like, if he can't pass protect and he's taking negative plays and he's not like producing enough huge explosive plays, then he might be somebody who just goes away. But yeah, I absolutely loved his film. To me, he reminds me of a hybrid of like Bucky Irving and Taije Spears, who are two guys who I'm enamored with because they can create yards on their own. Very, very elusive contact balance, all of it. Really, really like RJ Harvey and as.
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Heath Cummings
You said, kind of the opposite of Neil. Has had some problems in past protection, has had some problems with ball security. Dynasty. Dave in the chat says it sou like Kenneth Walker who don't. When you're talking. I know what he's talking about with that. It's. It's an all or nothing type thing. You'll get the big plays, but you'll also get a lot of runs for negative yardage. I assume, though, it's. It's a much lesser version of Kenneth Walker.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I, yeah, I think so. I mean, Kenneth Walker is pretty special if you just watch him. Like there's, there's not very many guys where it's like, oh, he reminds me of Kenneth Walker, you know, because he's insane the stuff he can do. But I mean, Harvey was really, really productive in his. His avoid your tackle rates. His yards after contact are really, really good. If you look at the highest PPR point per game averages as a starting running back for a career, It's Ashen Genti, 27.7 Kim Scatter Boo 24.5 and then Harvey is next 23.2 above Amarian Hampton, above Dylan Sampson and some of these other really good running backs. So I think if you were to you know, like say the Jaguars draft Harvey and he is now, you know, the Bucky Irving paired up with Liam Cohen and he gets to emulate that role, I absolutely think he could like work his way into a very fantasy relevant role there.
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Heath Cummings
So that's interesting how. Because I think that's somebody and I listen. I hope Jacksonville doesn't draft a running back because I'm having a hard enough time figuring out how they're going to employ Travis ETN and Tank Bigsby. But how, how would you. I think like ETN was a first round pick. How would you compare him to Bigsby though?
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Jacob Gibbs
I. Bixby, they're, they, they effectively do kind of the same thing, but they do it in a different way. I prefer Harvey the way that he wins, but Bigsby, Bigsby has the ability to like create extreme rushing efficiency as we saw last year. The other difference is that Harvey can really contribute on passing downs, whereas like they seem to not want Bigsby on the field on passing downs under any circumstance chances.
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Heath Cummings
So we talked about the, the potential problems as a pass blocker, but you feel Harvey as just as a receiver could have a lot of success for sure.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. He's really natural as a receiver, produced well as a receiver when given opportunities. Yeah.
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Heath Cummings
And we see here, Thomas, if you're watching on YouTube, highlighting some of Gibbs tweets about RJ Harvey. He does seem to have a lot of advanced stats that really put him into some elite company. Is, is Harvey the type of running back that the, the true media view is a little bit more complimentary to him than the film is?
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Jacob Gibbs
Well, I think there's a ton of people who watch his film and are, are in love with them for sure. But like, yeah, absolutely. If you look at any of these advanced stats, the one we've got on the screen here is highest career rushing EPA per snap was RJ Harvey. But I, I, that is sort of a team level stat. And I did think that his, his offensive environment was conducive to success. A lot of these running backs don't have the benefit of playing with a coordinator who's like putting them in position to maximize their skill set. He did, you know, so like if he were to go to Liam Cohen, like it would be, you know, kind of like what we saw in college and we've already seen him win in this role we'll talk about Dylan Sampson. The there are teams that like really take advantage of the rules and the wider hashes at the collegiate level and spread things out. And RJ Harvey was absolutely one of those backs for sure. But I mean I do think it shows up on film that he's very, very elusive. He's very hard to tackle.
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Heath Cummings
You talked about how the like Neil landing in Denver without much competition might elevate him into borderline round one consideration. Would you say the same for Harvey?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I think so. I would, I would if he like, if he was. I like the fit for Neil and Denver better because I trust them as a pass protector. If Harvey were to land in Denver, I would wonder if that might be more of a bit role, you know, where, where Peyton sees him more as like an 8 to 12 touch guy. Whereas like I think we could legitimately see him push up to like 15ish touches like bucky did last year if he was with Cohen or someone like that.
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Heath Cummings
That is RJ Harvey out of UCF. We are moving on and moving right along to RB9 in the class bacial Tootin. This was the guy out of Virginia Tech that I, you know, he's got one of those names, you just gotta ask. But I have seen plenty of people talking about him on social media. What's your eval on Tutin?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I mean just like Harvey, he's an easy guy to fall in love with and there's no surprise that there are a lot of people on social media who have. And because he has the advanced statistics and he has awesome film, he, he's, he's similar to Harvey in some ways for sure, especially statistically. So like he, like Harvey really took a lot of negative plays but also created a lot of yards when there was nothing there. He had the lowest success rate on short yardage runs. The stat that I brought up earlier with Neil and so that, I think that makes sense. When you watch him, he can be a bit indecisive and I, I think his vision can be a bit of a concern. But I, I, I also see him at times like when he's not overthinking things and I think he has a really natural feel for space. So I do think he could improve on those things. But if you just look at what happened, he did have the lowest success rate on short yardage runs. He had the second highest stuffed rate on runs where initial contact with the defender came at or behind the line of scrimmage, but the fourth highest yards after contact on those runs. So similar to Harvey, more top line speed, which by the way, Harvey is fast. I brought him up as like a Bucky Irving comparison, but he's like a tick faster than Irving for sure. He can really make explosive plays. Tutin obviously the fastest in the class and that shows up on film. He gets downhill so fast and it's hilarious some of these runs because like the defensive backs aren't even ready for him to get to the second level. The speed that he does and it just becomes this collision where everybody's like rolling. He's extremely fast and he also can like shift and change gears at. While he's like near top speed, I also think he can contribute as a receiver. He's another guy who I worry about his pass protection. He really didn't get to do it very often at the collegiate level, but he was used as a pass catcher out of the backfield. So he's, he's really, really exciting. He's like second or third in career avoided tackle rate. Yeah, Ashton Genti is the only one with a higher avoided tackle rate than Tootin. And so it's like if you can avoid tackles at such a high rate and you have that top line speed, you're a big play waiting to happen anytime.
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Heath Cummings
Friend of the show fantasy football mad scientist is in the chat. Says Tootin seems like a prototypical Miami or San Francisco running back, outside zone speedster type.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, that's, that seems to be the fit. I do think that he could become somebody who can be a man gap runner as well and like can, can win in a lot of different ways. But we have, we've, it's been inconsistent so far in that aspect. So we, I do think at the very least we know that he can get to the edge and create huge plays.
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Heath Cummings
So is, is he in the category where the style of a team's offense is going to impact your view of him early on?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. And also, I mean the size is a, is a real concern. Like we don't know that he'll be anything more than like a Matt Breeda type or something like that. I think there's a potential for him to be much more. But yeah, if he's in a, if he lands in a spot where it's good draft capital and there you can see, you know, logical path to him getting double digit touches, he's gonna be, he's gonna be pushing up into that like early round two range, potentially even back into round one if you just like really, really want to get him. I Think he's really pretty similar to Cam Scatter Boo. Like, he doesn't have this size that Scatter Boo does, but like, in a lot of ways his profile is really similar.
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Heath Cummings
I want to separate out these first three backs we've talked about here, Neil, Harvey, and Tut. And I'll just kind of have you rank these three guys in a couple of different categories actually for. Let's just start with what order would you put the three in? Are they kind of in the same tier in terms of how you view them going into the draft?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. So I, I'm hesitant to even do rankings because I'm still really early in the analytics side of things because like, honestly, Heath, I can't stop freaking watching running back film. I've watched like 150 games and I keep watching more people keep being like, you need to watch this guy. And then I watch him and he's awesome. And so I keep falling down the rabbit. Like, I, I, I've got so many guys I still like, need to, need to get a more complete view of the class analytically, which is hilarious because like a couple of years ago that was like, I never would have imagined that I would be here with the film side of things. But it's been really, really fun. So my, the, I'll do my best here. And I think I would put Neil ahead of the other two. Unless you are in a position where you are like really looking for something to just provide a, a lightning bolt to your team. Like you, maybe you didn't perform well or you think you're a couple of years away or a year away or something like that. But if you hit on a few things, then it could like put you into contending. In which case I would go after Harvey. I think that he could be like the, you know, the guy who comes in and, and is a league winner for you right away and like drastically changes his value, his perceived dynasty value right away. I think I do, I think I do put Tootin as the lowest, I think he's the, the least likely to get double digit touches per game, but he definitely has really exciting upside as well.
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Heath Cummings
Well, that was kind of the way it seems to me, and I don't. Neil is more likely than the other two to have a starter's workload at some point, but the other two are more exciting than Neil if they get the workload. Would you say that?
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And the reason I was, I was like hesitant is like, I need, I want to look at running backs who profile similar to these guys and just form a more complete idea of like, how likely is it that Harford does matter, that he does get a chance? You know what I mean? When you look at other running backs who profiled similarly, how likely is it that we do see him work his way into a role? And my guess is that we're gonna find it's much more likely that someone like Devin Neal, who had a career like Devin Neal gets that opportunity, even if their advanced metrics don't jump off the page.
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Heath Cummings
I, I know you're early in the process, so we're going to let you change your opinion in May if you want to. But as I look at these guys and we talk about, you know, the upside is maybe they get into early round two or late round one. That's right in the same area right now in rookie drafts where I'm seeing the top two or three tight ends, depending on how you rank those guys coming off of the board. I. Barring something surprising happening with these guys, like sneaking into day two, you view these guys as behind Tyler Warren, behind Colston Loveland.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, clearly I'm, I'm higher on these Titans than consistent consensus than it sounds like.
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Heath Cummings
So those are more surefire first round picks. These are guys that are probably round two could fall to round three or could creep up into the 12 turn.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. If we're talking tight end premium, like definitely. Yeah.
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Heath Cummings
Right. Well. And yeah, that tight end premium, I think for sure everybody's got them in the top six, but they're right at that 12 turn. If it's not tied in premium. Let's get to our B10 and the consensus rankings. You referenced him earlier. Dylan Sampson, what's the Evo?
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Jacob Gibbs
He is, he's exciting. So I mentioned, you know, the point per game averages. He was fifth in point per games as a starting running back. One of just five running backs who averaged above 20 points per game. And that I bring that up because he is younger than all of these running backs. Yeah. And so that, that's pretty exciting. I, I don't know if he's going to be able to play in all three downs, but in 2024 he was used 118 times as a pass blocker. The only running back who has a higher single season number. This is total, so it is affected by the number of drop backs for the team. But Quint Allen is the only one with a higher total number of pass blocking snaps in a season and his pressure rate allowed was pretty, pretty good. Definitely below average, which is good. And so like there's, there's some path to him being somebody who can play in all three downs. He is a bit undersized for that type of running back, but he's over £200, so he's not, you know, he's bigger than some of these other running backs we've seen recently who've been able to, to play more than expected on all three downs. He can make people miss. He's got crazy burst. He can, he can turn any play into a touchdown. He's really exciting it. He, you know, I, I alluded to it earlier, but the stats do back this up. The system that he played in affected things for him. So 54 of his runs in 2024 came versus light boxes, which means there's six or fewer defenders at the line of scrimmage. That was the highest rate in the class. For comparison, on the low end, Caleb Johnson's rate was 23%. We talked about, you know, with Matt Waldman, the, the offense there at Iowa really affects way more under center running there. Sampson ran almost, almost entirely out of the shotgun. 41 was the average for 2025 prospects. So he definitely benefited from the offensive design. But I do think that like he's got the skill set to project it. You don't, I don't want to get like go overboard with taking him like in the mid first round or anything like that, but if you can get him at a spot where you're comfortable, I think it's, it's a pretty comfortable projection because he's really, I mean if you just watch him, he's really electric.
- [31:34]
Heath Cummings
So I, I don't give away too much of Matt Waldman's rookie scouting portfolio on the show because I think you guys should all go buy it and read it because you'll get smarter about these backs. But I will say when you look at Waldman's rankings, Samson is ahead of everybody we've talked about so far. Sampson is ahead of three of the guys that we talked about on Friday. If he does get that starter's workload in the right situation, do you think this is a guy who could be a top 15, top 20 dynasty running back?
- [32:05]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. Yeah, I think you can definitely make that projection with Samson. In my head, he is ahead of all of these guys. I actually, I thought that the consensus was that he was ahead of Scatter Boo as well, but I haven't, I don't really keep up with where people are ranked honestly.
- [32:21]
Heath Cummings
Well and I like at this point when you're talking about consensus and we don't have draft capital like it. It is all really just like I like this guy. So I think there's, there's tears. Nobody's probably going to move ahead of Ashton Genti at any point in this class. But when we talk, we're talking about RB 7 through 12. I think one of these guys could jump into the top five and it wouldn't be that surprising. And one of these guys could end up going undrafted and it might be disappointing, but it wouldn't be that surprising. I feel like we've take pretty optimistic case for Samson other than the size which is not like 5, 5 8, 200 or just over 200. That's, that's big enough. What, what are the other concerns that you have? For me.
- [33:08]
Jacob Gibbs
He goes down a little bit easier than I would like. Like I, he. It's sort of like Neil. I think his contact balance is better than Neil but he doesn't, he doesn't run super strong. We don't have a ton of opportunities to have seen him on film like have a lot of congestion and contact to deal with. It's often getting him out in space. But like yeah, I do wonder if, if he, if he were drafted into a, a system or an offensive environment where the line is just getting blown up. If he just isn't able to do much. But I mean there's very few running backs who are going to be able to make much of a situation like that. Honestly I, I'm pretty excited about them. I don't see any like clear, glaring weaknesses.
- [33:50]
Heath Cummings
We did have some. Somebody brought up the fumbling in the chat and I noticed in Waldman's write up that his ball security was graded lower. Yeah. Several of the players in this class and, and that again that's another thing that fantas probably just yawn when they get those negative two points. Coaches do seem a number and some coaches really remember about Bill Belichick used to be. So it's really just dependent on the coach and whether we're going to punish a guy right away. I think we saw Tyrone Tracy get punished for it for a little bit last year.
- [34:20]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, no, that, that could be a thing for sure. That's a good note.
- [34:23]
Heath Cummings
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Jacob Gibbs
Those goosebumps every time. Arsenal have been ruthless.
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Jacob Gibbs
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Heath Cummings
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Jacob Gibbs
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Jacob Gibbs
No, stop it. Nothing. It's only the biggest event in history.
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Heath Cummings
Better man now streaming on Paramount plus rated R RB11 is a guy that honestly, I've not thought a whole lot about so far this year. I'm not sure who the Ollie Gordon guy is that's moving him up in the rankings, but Ollie Gordon at Oklahoma State is the number 11 running back in the consensus rankings. What's your take on Gordon?
- [35:32]
Jacob Gibbs
I don't really understand the discrepancy between Ollie Gordon and Raheem Sanders when it comes to ranking. To me, they're sort of similar in that they were really successful, which would be fair. Gordon's season was bigger than Sanders led FBS and rushing. Yeah. In 2023, Ollie Gordon went nuts. And that, you know, I don't mean to take anything away from, but 2024 left us with some questions in the same way that like, Sanders career kind of dwindled off for various reasons. For Gordon, the reasons were pretty clear was that the, the team really struggled. They. They lost like, I think it was like nine straight games or something to close out the season. They just couldn't get anything going and offensive line was a problem. There was just like clear penetration to the backfield. Often it was clear that Gordon was the focal point of the offense and teams were able to slow him down. But yeah, I, I think there's enough optimism because of what he did in 2023 that it's like keeping him afloat in, in this range. I don't necessarily know if, if I'm going to be getting any Ollie Gordon at this price, so. I've watched a lot of them over the last couple of days to. Because like, when I initially watched him, I really just. I didn't like it. I, I felt pretty underwhelmed, but I, I wanted to because he's in this range with a lot of guys that I do really like. I wanted to just make sure that I, I felt good about that evaluation because sometimes it's like I watch him around, you know, RJ Harvey and, and Samson and people who I really like and then he just like doesn't, you know, and it's not really fair to the, to the guy. So I wanted to give him a fair evaluation. So here's what I think about Gordon. He. I said this on Twitter. It really cracks me up. He runs the way that I imagined Travion Henderson might run before I got into this process. I don't really pay, I don't really have time to watch college football during season. And so my process starts like January, February, somewhere in there I start really getting into these guys. And when I say that it's that he has, he's very light feet. He is like one of the, he's like running on his toes, which is hilarious because he's a huge guy. And then Henderson honestly kind of runs the way that I thought Ollie Gordon might run where he's just like trying to really run people over, run through, right through guys. And then that's sort of born on the stats for Gordon. He had the fourth lowest success rate on short yardage runs throughout his career, which definitely was influenced by the 2024 season where teams are loading, you know, the box against them. But I also did feel like there were even dating back to 2023, I watched a bunch of his film over the last few days. I did feel like there was a lack of power and leg drive in those situations. I also, I also question his vision. Him and Devin Neal are two of the hardest ones for me because I know a lot of people really, really think that they're just great players and then like almost like everything about their game is great. But when I watch these two, like I, I thought both of them had questionable vision. They're missing cutback lanes, they're overrunning things. And Gordon, it was not just the 2024 season like I, it feels like sometimes he commits to something and he just is like missing where the run is flowing to naturally. And then when you know, you see some of these stats where he looks middling or even like lower in the class, I don't know, it makes sense that it kind of adds up.
- [38:56]
Heath Cummings
But he, it needs to be in a gap heavy scheme.
- [39:01]
Jacob Gibbs
I think that makes sense, especially with the way that he likes to run. Yeah, I, I need to do the research on schematic stuff to know for sure. I haven't looked into that for him. I just want to say on the, on the I, I threw a lot of cold water on Gordon, but on the positive side, he was on the field for 80 of passing downs in 2023. Only La Quint Allen had a higher single season rate from running backs in this class. So the Potential for him to play a three down role is legitimately there. I, a couple days ago sent out a tweet where I tried to group the running back class into tiers categorically not based off of like overall talent or anything like that. And there was a sub tier to like three down skill sets that I called. Maybe we can run an offense through this running back. And it was quinch on Judkins, Damien Martinez and Ollie Gordon. I think that, that, you know, matters like if you, if a team just decides to turn him into Naji Harris or whatever, which he kind of honestly reminds me of Naji Harris in some ways. That's been somebody you can use for fantasy even if he's not. If, if I don't think he's somebody elite, vision, you know, contact, balance guy. So I, I don't want to, I don't. There's no reason to overreact to my evaluation and, and think that he's not a good player because like, and if, if an NFL team proves that they don't buy that, that's what matters.
- [40:24]
Heath Cummings
You mentioned Naji. I was kind of thinking as you were describing him and except for the tiptoes part, because when I think of a tiptoe runner, I think of somebody that can't decide where they're going. It sounds more like he is a. I. The play is called to go to this hole. I am going to run to this hole. It sounds. But he's also really good in pass protection. Is it a little bit like not Ezekiel Elliot last year, but maybe two or three years ago when Tony Pollard was making all the big plays, but when they needed to go get three yards, you give it to Zeke when you need a pass block, you put Zeke in the game.
- [40:57]
Jacob Gibbs
Something like that. I don't think he's as decisive as Zeke though, or as powerful. I honestly think like what we saw last year with Naji Harris is kind of what I felt. It just, it just immediately reminded me of that. I watched a weird amount of Naji Harris last year because it completely changed his running style and just started trying to create big plays a lot and like almost avoid contact, which is not what he was coming into the NFL for. Sure. That's sort of who Ollie Gordon reminds me of.
- [41:23]
Heath Cummings
Let's get to RB12 in the 2025 running back class. It is DJ Giddens out of Kansas State. Is this a full time player in the NFL?
- [41:36]
Jacob Gibbs
Potentially, yeah. He had a route rate of 55 or higher in two seasons. So he ran a route on over half, 55 or higher of the total drop backs in two separate seasons. Devin Neal and Quint Allen are the only others in this class who did that. He was on the field for 67% of the team's passing snaps overall in games. He was a starter throughout his career. That's the highest rate in the class. So I definitely think he can play all three downs. I think he looks natural as a pass catcher and I think he can create when he gets out in space. He has the, he was ninth in the class in career avoided tackle rate and he, and he has speed. I, it does show up on his film sometimes and it definitely showed up in his testing. He's got size as well. I don't think he plays quite to his size in terms of strength, but he, he's an intriguing athlete and somebody who can play on all three downs. And so it's sort of like Devin Neal. If he, if he lands in a spot where, you know, it looks like, you know, if, I mean, if he lands in Denver, then like, yeah, that, that would be really exciting. But I think anywhere that he lands, if the starter were to go down, then he could step in and potentially be a guy who you're using for fantasy and is like a top 12, top 15 running back if he's getting all the touches.
- [42:50]
Heath Cummings
So it's interesting. Usually I think when people ask can he be a full time player, they're asking about the receiving work. I actually fe more confident in Giddens as a pass catcher. I wasn't sure he was going to be an early downs rusher.
- [43:04]
Jacob Gibbs
I, yeah, I think that's fair. Some of his, he did like have a high success rate in short yardage situations. There wasn't quite as large of a sample size as somebody like Kim Scatteraboo or whatever, Raheem Sanders. Those guys are really good in those situations over a larger sample size. But yeah, I, I liked what I saw from, from Giddens as a runner. He wasn't like, I think, sort of like Gordon and Neil. Like, it was a bit underwhelming relative to guys like Harvey, who I fell in love with. But I do, I do think that he has, he kind of reminds me of Tyrone Tracy. I, I think he could be like somebody who makes the most of the opportunities that he gets, even if he's not creating a ton outside of that.
- [43:44]
Heath Cummings
Let's run through a couple of quick superlatives for RB 7 through 12 and then I want to make sure we leave plenty of time for Jacob's favorite sleepers because he said on Twitter that he had 15 of them. I think that was an exaggeration. I hope that was an exaggeration. Best of the six backs that we have talked about today, best receiving profile.
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Jacob Gibbs
I think it. We have to give it to Giddens. Do you. What do you mean receiving? Do you mean like, ability to overall, like contribute on passing downs or like ability to create as a receiver?
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Heath Cummings
Just, let's just go with. Just. Let's forget about the blocking for a second. Let's just talk about as a receiver.
- [44:20]
Jacob Gibbs
Well, then I think I might actually go with Tootin because, like, I, I really think that, like, he could be somebody who can like, get it. Get him in the screen game, get him out on swing passes and he. When he gets out in space, it could just be a touchdown anytime. Like he is. He's really good at making one guy miss. Like I had said, at the top, like second highest avoid attacker rate in the class. And then with a speed like, he can just be dangerous, man.
- [44:42]
Heath Cummings
Like, most likely to produce a top 12 fantasy season.
- [44:50]
Jacob Gibbs
Ah, I'm going to go with Dylan Sampson.
- [44:54]
Heath Cummings
Okay. Just based on the. That was your favorite guy and if everything goes right, he has the abilities to get that done. Most likely to go undrafted in a couple weeks.
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Jacob Gibbs
Oh, gosh.
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Heath Cummings
You think all these guys are like. It's just not. None of them are actually that likely to go undrafted.
- [45:12]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I would be really surprised if any of them go undrafted, I guess. I think it would be ollie Gordon or R.J. harvey. Right. If people just like, think that if, like the 2024 season, like, really scares people off of Gordon or if the, the Harvey stuff just seems like it was a fluke. He's an older running back. If they, if people just don't buy it. Yeah, man. If any of these guys go undrafted, that'll really be a bummer.
- [45:39]
Heath Cummings
Well, that's. But that's the thing. Like, we talked about six packs that we think could get drafted on the first two days. We've now talked about the consensus 7 through 12, which are not Matt Waldman, 7 through 12 by any stretch of the imagination. They're not necessarily your 7 through 12. We're getting ready to talk about some backs that you might like more than a couple of these guys. So are we just. I. I think that it. The stage is set for someone to not go get drafted. Or maybe. Maybe it's just somebody we think is getting drafted on day two. Falling to round six. Let's jump into Jacob Gibbs, favorite sleepers you already gave us one name earlier in the show. We had the names from Matt Waldman, obviously that were not ranked in 1 through 6 on Friday that are in his 1 through 6. And again, if you didn't hear that show, go listen to it. But who are your other favorite sleepers in this class?
- [46:30]
Jacob Gibbs
Okay. Yeah, there's tons of them. So I am going to limit it to. I'm just going to give you four more. I gave you Sanders. We'll limit it to five. But first, I want to play a game. I'm going to name a running back prospect. You tell me if you've ever heard the name before. No shame if, if this, this seems.
- [46:45]
Heath Cummings
Like there's going to be shame, but go ahead.
- [46:47]
Jacob Gibbs
If anything, the shame is, is mine for spinning my time this way. So Jacori Crosby, merit. I named at the top of show. Have you heard that one?
- [46:55]
Heath Cummings
I have now. Yeah.
- [46:56]
Jacob Gibbs
This is the first time. Okay. Kylan James.
- [47:00]
Heath Cummings
No.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, I mean he barely played. He literally never played more than 50 of the snapshot in a game. But people are on Twitter telling me to watch Kellen James highlights and I did and they're pretty freaking cool. He's like 220 pounds, runs in the four fours, has a higher career avoided tackle rate than Ashton Janting.
- [47:21]
Heath Cummings
He was fantastic.
- [47:23]
Jacob Gibbs
He was a part time back at unlv. He's really. We'll see if he gets drafted, but could be, could be a good runner for sure. What about Kyle Manangai? I think is maybe how you say this name.
- [47:34]
Heath Cummings
I, I have definitely seen that name.
- [47:36]
Jacob Gibbs
Okay. Yeah, he's. I love this guy. He's really, really compact, really, really quick. He has unbelievably small hands. I think he has the second smallest hands of any player to ever go into the combine, if I am remembering that correctly. But what I really love about him is feet. His. He's just like really, really shifty. Really, really always like amazing contact balance. He's really fun. He might not get drafted, but he is. He's really fun to watch. Montreal Johnson Jr. From Florida.
- [48:05]
Heath Cummings
Yes. Yes.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. Yeah. But I don't even know if he's gonna get drafted. He ran a 4. 4. He's big. He. He ran a 4.
- [48:11]
Heath Cummings
4.
- [48:11]
Jacob Gibbs
He was productive over 3, 000 career yards. He's outside the top 20 running backs in most rankings. Marcus Yarns of the Delaware Fighting Blue Hens.
- [48:19]
Heath Cummings
You know, thankfully the, the names you're going with now were surprisingly higher in Waldman's rankings than they were.
- [48:25]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. Okay.
- [48:27]
Heath Cummings
If you'd given me this test a week and a half ago before I had the RSP, the answer probably would have been no.
- [48:32]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. 445 receiving upside. Fighting Blue Hens. No G. Fighting Blue Hens. Lan Larison. Have you heard of lan Larisson? He.
- [48:41]
Heath Cummings
Somebody put his name in the chat two minutes before you said it. Thank you.
- [48:45]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, people are putting his name in the chat. He, he has some. I'm seeing highlights on Twitter where he's making one handed catches. He's just blowing by guys, making mossing guys. I don't know. He's six foot receiving running back. I, I need to get to him, but he's another small school guy. I don't know. This class is just so fun and I really hope that some of these guys do emerge and end up mattering because it's been really fun digging into all them. Okay, so my sleepers, Raheem sanders. The top four more Jadon Blue for deck. This 438 speed and it definitely shows up on film. He has a lot of rushing metrics that are intriguing and he can, he can contribute as a receiver for sure. So he's somebody who, if he gets in, you know, like a Miami situation, he honestly does kind of remind me of Devon Hn, which is, you know, not a name that you should be comparing people to. But he's, he's shifty and creative with the way that he manipulates space, which, like, if you are able to do that and you're this fast, it could be really, really exciting. And he's legitimately like one of the better receiving profiles in the class. Okay, we need, we need to talk about that.
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Heath Cummings
Was Jade on blue.
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Jacob Gibbs
Yeah.
- [49:59]
Heath Cummings
And now let's, now let's talk about Jacori.
- [50:01]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, we need to talk about Jacori. So trusted as a pass blocker. He. I mentioned that DJ Giddens had the second most single or no, he's doing. Sampson had the second most single season pass blocking snaps. He tied with Jacori, Crosky, Merritt and he Jacobi Crosby. Merritt did that in 2023 at New Mexico. He then transferred to Arizona for 2024, went for 100 yards and a touchdown in his first game and didn't play the rest of the season because of eligibility issues that dated back to 2019. I don't understand how there could be confusion on that before the year and not. No one knew until like one game in the season, but that's what happened. So he didn't get to play the rest of the year. He's old, but if you take his 2023 and 2024 data, where he was playing at like bigger schools, it's elite. It's, it's really, really elite as a rusher. And he can play on passing downs. 35% avoided tackle rate across those two seasons on 200ish rush attempts. Really strong yards after the, after contact, almost 4 yards after contact per rush. And he wasn't. His light box face was one of the lowest rates in this prospect class. He actually was like running into heavy boxes quite often, especially at New Mexico because I think people knew like he was the offense. He's got size, he's got speed. He is a name to know and he's somebody I didn't even know until a couple weeks ago. But then, you know the people on X who are like even sicker than I am about this stuff are like, you need to watch him. You need to watch the court crossing Mary. And I'm glad that they said that because he's awesome.
- [51:34]
Heath Cummings
So what's the, that's a pretty positive evaluation. What's the reason he's not higher in the consensus rankings or when people talk about running backs?
- [51:44]
Jacob Gibbs
I mean he might, he might not get drafted and he's old and there it's, it's, he's just easy. He's just got lost in the shuffle. The sample size is small of him producing against high level competition. But yeah, if you just look at like the intangibles, if you watch the film, like all, all of the boxes kind of are checked in terms of like what you might be looking for for a playmaking running back. We'll, we'll see if, if teams believe.
- [52:09]
Heath Cummings
In it, we should have two more if my math is correct.
- [52:12]
Jacob Gibbs
Yes, you are Jordan James more, more efficient than Bucky Irving when they shared a backfield at Oregon. And then he went on to post 1500 yards and 15 touchdowns after Bucky's departure. So he really benefited from the offensive system for sure. Oregon's offense is just really conducive to success at the running back position. He was one of the most sensitive to stacked boxes in the entire class in terms of how much stacked boxes negatively affected his rushing efficiency relative to his carries versus non stacked boxes. So I don't want to get carried away with his rushing efficiency because he was literally the most efficient running back of any back that had over 100 carries in 2023. It definitely was impacted by Oregon's offense. But if you watch the film, he is just really good at like taking what's there. He. It's funny, like he was a perfect like thunder to lightning compliment for Bucky Irving. Bucky is like kind of running into the RJ Harvey stuff a little bit where he's getting a little carried away with it. You know, like trying to make something when maybe there's nothing there and sometimes it's a negative play. This guy is in no nonsense, like not doing that at all. Just like plugging the hole and doing it over and over and over. He sort of reminds me of Jordan Mason. I don't know if he maybe has as much like making this ability as Mason, but when I watched him, that's who I thought of. He's, he's, he's short, compact running back with a lot of power.
- [53:38]
Heath Cummings
Well and we've seen Jordan Mason early on in his career did not do a whole lot as a pass catcher. Showed a little bit more in that regard last year, but still only caught 11 passes in 12 games. And I think that's kind of the question that I have for James. It fundamentally, is he going to be okay as a pass catcher?
- [54:00]
Jacob Gibbs
I don't know. I didn't really see it on film and I don't think it's in his data really that much either. So my guess is he's just kind of an early down guy.
- [54:09]
Heath Cummings
Right. An early down guy and maybe probably a day three pick. But I would say like it seems like some of the other guys we've talked about are less likely to get drafted than he is. Somebody's probably going to take a shot on Nick.
- [54:20]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah. Yeah. Some people. I think it might have been Dane Brugler. I don't know for sure but some people really like him. I think it might have been Dame Brewer had him as like a top five running back from this class. Like he's I think definitely higher on the board than most of these guys.
- [54:33]
Heath Cummings
Right. And sleeper number four five Corey Kiner.
- [54:38]
Jacob Gibbs
And I need now to apologize to Kyle Manangai, I think is who I attributed the small hands to. It's actually this guy. There's so many running backs in this class and I get him mixed up. I'm pretty sure it's this guy who has small hands but awesome feet. This guy Corey Kiner is really, really fun to watch. Amazing contact balance, quickness and ability to set things up and get people where they're just not in the right position to make the tackle and create yards after contact. That that was really, really important for him at Cincinnati because the offense was often Dysfunctional. And so it was reliant on him to manipulate space. And he did it at a really high level, I thought, like where it's like he's sort of controlling what happens with like 22 guys on 21 other guys on the field in terms of the, the setting of the blocks and the defense with his movements. And he has to do that because he's not very fast either. I think he ran a 4, 5, 7, but he does it at a high level. He's. He's really intriguing to me. It's sort of like a Taj Brooks kind of profile, except that he doesn't have the pass blocking and the ability to play on third downs. He's. He seems like he's only an early down guy, so maybe like a Tyler Algier or something like that. It'll depend on where he gets drafted. But one difference between him and Algeria is he has a much higher avoided tackle rate. And I think that shows up in his lateral quickness is better than Algeria. But he also has power. He's pretty big.
- [55:58]
Heath Cummings
We talked about nine running backs fairly extensively on Friday's show. We just talked about 11 more and I think Jacob said four other names when he was trying to play the let's embarrass Heath game. This is an incredibly deep running back class, as you can tell. We are very excited about it. Jacob Gibbs, thank you for your participation in both the running back preview part one and part two.
- [56:24]
Jacob Gibbs
Yeah, man, thank you for having me. I'm going to see the Royals today. Wanted to let you know that he's very excited for that. Just, just a great time to be alive. We got Royals baseball, we got info draft coming up and you know, I'm not going to apologize for the let's play, let's embarrass Heath game because he, before I jumped on this podcast, brought up the freaking 101 trade again. I traded away, I basically traded away Ashton GND for Dalton Kincaid without knowing it. It's in a league where you start two tight ends, so Kincaid is much more valuable. But yeah, I messed up. I messed up big time. And now Heath is going to get Ashton JD because of it. Or maybe he's going to get Devon H. And for me, we'll see.
- [56:57]
Heath Cummings
And, and I, I just want you to know what a good friend I am because I, I'm not even going to correct you about the other player that was involved in that trade for Dalton Kincaid. I'm just going to let you go back and look at it and ruminate on that until our rook. He's Jacob Gibbs. I'm Heath Cummings. Thank you to Thomas Schaefer. Quick programming note. There will not be a show on Friday. This week I'm headed up to Memphis to do some work with St. Jude. Get ready for the draftathon and help us raise some money for them. We will be back on Tuesday. We'll be starting with wide receiver part one with the Couch scouts. Wide receiver two Part two is next Friday. We will talk to you on Tuesday. Paramount podcasts prepare to be entertained. Gladiator 2 is now streaming on Paramount. Plus you hear that crowd? It's ferociously entertaining. I'm just here for the game. And an absolute triumph. Take your father's strength.
- [58:06]
Jacob Gibbs
His name is Maximus.
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Heath Cummings
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