Heath vs. Dan; Favorite Late-Round Picks (05/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today

Episode: "Heath vs. Dan; Favorite Late-Round Picks"

Date: May 21, 2026
Host & Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, Dan Schneier

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers two main segments. The first is a heated, humorous debate between Heath and Dan over dynasty league commissioner rules before rookie drafts, specifically roster management and in-draft player drops—the "diabolical Dan's Deliriously Delusional Dynasty Defense" showdown. The second segment features analysts’ favorite late-round fantasy football picks (ADP ~100 or later), digging into running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends, with rationale, stats, and actionable takeaways. The episode rounds out with a quick-fire late-round pick review and a fan poll on the episode's opening dynasty spat.

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1. The Great Dynasty League Debate: Heath vs. Dan

(02:05–18:30, 20:49–22:09, 62:08–66:59)

Main Theme

The opening segment is dominated by a passionate, sometimes tongue-in-cheek blow-up involving Dan missing a dynasty rookie draft deadline due to not checking emails and struggles with league roster rules. Heath, the league commissioner, enforces strict cutdown procedures before the draft, countering Dan's arguments for greater flexibility.

Key Discussion Points:

• Dan’s Side (03:01–14:39):

  • Missed rookie draft pick due to his roster not being trimmed down in time.
  • Couldn’t make his pick during his golf trip, attempted work-arounds, traded back, lost his preferred player.
  • “I made a mistake... But like I'll tell you this, I went into my account details on CBS Sports and tried to change my email... I can't get these emails... So the same thing is going to keep repeating itself for me...” — Dan (08:07)
  • Argues the league should expand rosters pre/post draft or allow in-draft cuts like NFL teams and other platforms.
  • Proposes a rule change: "I don't want to be in a position... where two teams are not able to make their draft picks in a rookie dynasty league, to me that's the worst case scenario." (14:03)

• Heath’s Side (09:33–10:44, 17:30–18:07):

  • Lays out the importance of clear rules, order, and the commissioner's responsibility to enforce them.
  • Delivers a memorable “A Few Good Men”–style speech:

    "Dan, we play in a league that has rules. Those rules have to be guarded by men with commissioner powers. Who's gonna do it? You?" — Heath (09:33)

  • Cites need for severe consequences (forfeited picks) to ensure compliance, admits adding two roster spots, but stands firm.

• Adam’s Mediation (14:39–15:02; 18:18–18:40):

  • Sympathizes with both sides; blames the rule, not the app; suggests simple email fixes.
  • Calls for personal accountability, especially around communication (“Dan, you just have to be a little bit more responsible with communication... You have, like, 140 text messages that you haven't read.” — Adam, 18:40)

• Resolution:

  • Dan accepts partial responsibility but reasserts the need for rule change (13:23).
  • Heath remains steadfast but admits the roster/notification issue could merit future review (15:23).
  • A YouTube fan poll later in the show leans toward Heath (68% Heath, 32% Dan; 62:08).

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2. Favorite Late-Round Picks

(23:10–66:59)

General Statistical Insight

• Over the past six seasons, 36 WRs drafted in round nine or later finished as a fantasy WR2 (top 24) per game or overall — about six per year.
• Two rookies typically hit these marks annually—except last year (none).

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2A. Heath’s Favorite Late-Round Picks

(23:10–37:08)

- Rashad White (RB, Washington Commanders) [23:10]

• Projected as the pass-catching back with flex value; upside if he seizes an early-down role.
• “I expect White to have the pass game role locked up… He’ll be the two-minute drill guy.” — Heath (23:20)

- Xavier Worthy (WR, Kansas City Chiefs) [24:12]

• Upside based on Worthy and Kelsey's cheap price (now both ~round 11 in ADP).
• If Rice (potential suspension/rehab) is out, Worthy could be a massive value.
• “If Rice is suspended... Worthy has a chance to be a smash value.” — Heath (25:25)

- Travis Kelsey (TE, Kansas City Chiefs)

• Still "solid" if not world-beating; produced 10+ PPR points in 62.5% of games last season despite usage decline.
• “Solid is a great way to put it.” — Dave (26:22)
• “This is the first time since 2014… he will not be a top five pick at tight end.” — Jamey (27:19)

- Mark Andrews (TE, Baltimore Ravens) [31:19]

• Similar situation as Kelsey—a forgotten man but still a TD- and target-threat.
• “He's always a guy that's a threat to score double digit touchdowns even if the targets are low. Somebody I'm happy to settle for at tight end after round 10.” — Heath (32:17)

- Trey Tucker (WR, Las Vegas Raiders) [36:43]

• Likely Raiders' WR1, available past round 10; capitalizes on opportunity.
• “It’s pretty rare you get a chance to draft the number one wide receiver for a team after round 10.” — Heath (36:44)

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2B. Dave’s Favorite Late-Round Picks

(39:41–45:11)

- Isaiah Likely (TE, New York Giants) [39:41]

• Surprising low ADP, but huge upside as a possible No.2 target on a pass-catching–poor team.
• “He's had nine career games with six or more targets. He's had 12.5 or more PPR points in eight of the nine.” — Dave (41:31)
• “I will target [Likely] ahead of Kelsey, Andrews, Goddard, all these other older tight ends.” — Dave (42:27)

- Jonathan Brooks (RB, Carolina Panthers) [42:38]

• High upside if healthy (coming off ACL), could overtake Chuba Hubbard.
• “A running back that's had two major ACL injuries in the same knee and now suddenly we're adding him with a late pick.” — Dave (43:01)

- Jonah Coleman (RB, Denver Broncos) [42:38]

• Impressive in short-yardage, goal-line, could carve a role similar to his college prowess; will have to pass RJ Harvey on the depth chart.
• “He can be somebody who can contribute similarly to how Dobbins contributes for Denver.” — Dave (44:00)

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2C. Jamie’s Favorite Late-Round Picks

(45:58–50:37)

- Chris Rodriguez (RB, Jacksonville Jaguars) [46:03]

• Preexisting relationship with new OC, opportunity in unsettled backfield.
• “Given him significantly later than Basil Tootin… I just like to take a lot of shots on Chris Rodriguez… can end up being significantly more valuable than we are drafting him right now.” — Jamie (46:03)

- Dallas Goddard (TE, Philadelphia Eagles) [48:26]

• Consistently undervalued, elite red zone involvement, possible larger role post–A.J. Brown.
• “He's also got an injury history… [but is] an easy auto pick if you just miss on all these tight ends.” — Jamie (48:26)

- Matthew Stafford (QB, Los Angeles Rams) [52:02]

• Proven ceiling when healthy, available outside top 100 picks.
• “The position is so deep… If I miss on everything, I'll take the NFL MVP this late.” — Jamie (52:27)

- Chigoziem Okonkwo (TE, Washington Commanders) & Antonio Williams (WR, Commanders) [55:18]

• Both have clear opportunity behind Terry McLaurin in a shallow pass-catching group. Okonkwo stands out for athleticism; Williams is a rookie with a shot at quick relevance.

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2D. Late-Round Pick Quick Hits and Debates

(57:06–62:08)

• Analysts run through additional late-round dart throws:
  • Matthew Golden, Jalen Coker, Tyrone Tracy Jr., Juwan Johnson, Jalen McMillan, Tank Dell/related injuries, Casey Concepcion, etc.
• Most names draw excitement only if opportunity arises (i.e., injuries, depth chart movement).
• Notable: Several panelists prefer targeting ambiguous “WR1” roles on unproven offenses (e.g., Raiders, Commanders) over rookie flyers.

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3. Fan Poll and Dynasty Debate Recap

(62:08–66:59)

• Fan Poll on 'Dan vs. Heath':
  • 68% side with Heath, but Dan garners surprising support.
  • Panel consensus: rules can be reconsidered; personal accountability is non-negotiable.
• Reflection and Rivalry:
  • Jamey predicts the next chapter: Heath vs. Dan, the athletic competition.

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4. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Heath’s Commissioner Monologue:

  “You want the truth because deep down… you want me as commish. You need me as commish… I don’t give a damn what you think you’re entitled to.” (09:33)

• Adam on the communication failure:

  “Dan, you just have to be a little bit more responsible with communication... You have, like, 140 text messages that you haven't read.” (18:40)

• Dave on Isaiah Likely:

  “He’s had nine career games with 6+ targets… 12.5+ PPR points in eight of the nine.” (41:31)

• Jamie on Stafford:

  “If I miss on everything, I’ll take the NFL MVP this late.” (52:27)

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5. Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:05] Main Dynasty League Roster Management Debate
• [09:33] Heath’s Commissioner Speech
• [23:10] Start of “Favorite Late-Round Picks”
• [24:12] Xavier Worthy/Kansas City Discussion
• [26:22] Kelsey’s Declining Role Analysis
• [31:19] Mark Andrews Discussion
• [36:43] Trey Tucker Raiders WR1 Argument
• [39:41] Dave's Pick: Isaiah Likely Analysis
• [45:58] Jamie's Picks: Chris Rodriguez/Dallas Goddard
• [52:02] Late-QB Value: Matthew Stafford
• [55:18] Washington Pass Catcher Sleepers
• [62:08] Fan Poll & Roster Rule Reflections (Dan vs. Heath)

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Summary Takeaways

• Dynasty Leagues: Communication and rules clarity are crucial; roster flexibility remains an ongoing debate for live rookie drafts.
• Late-Round Picks: Aim for players with clear opportunity (even if offense is bad), ambiguous depth charts, or proven competitors with post-hype value. Tight ends and running backs in changing offenses are strong targets.
• Tight End Strategy: Wait for value, but consider double-dipping with upside (e.g., Likely + Goddard).
• QB Depth: In deep leagues or if you miss early, Stafford (and occasionally Kyler Murray) offer risk/reward at a discount.

This episode blends sharp advice with classic FFT banter—a must-listen for late-round strategy and league management drama.

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and he.

[A]

Today we are going to talk about late round picks. Some of our favorite late round picks basically pick 100 or later and there will be some wide receivers on this list. Let me just give you a quick note about late round wide receivers. Over the past six seasons there have been 36 wide receivers drafted in round nine or later. That's 97th overall or later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game. That's six per year over the last six season. Season. So you can get a lot of value there. And in the first five seasons of that stretch, 2020-2024, there were at least two rookies every year that finished top 24 overall or per game. There were zero last year, so kind of feeling there might be zero this year, but unless Casey Concepcion falls there, well, we will see. Anyway, before we do that, we have a segment called diabolical Dan's Deliriously Delusional dynasty defense. Welcome, diabolical Dan.

[C]

You really set that up to give me a chance here.

[A]

Yeah, you're definitely playing from behind. But, Dave, are you ready for this showdown between Dan and Heath?

[B]

Ladies and gentlemen, fantasy football fanatics around the world weird bagel sandwich eaters, today we are going to witness the most anticipated showdown in the history of of fantasy football. Are you ready for the hundreds watching live on YouTube and the hundreds of thousands watching and listening later on when convenient for you? Let's get ready to fumble.

[C]

That was awesome.

[A]

I love it. All right, Heath, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks, Dan. When we left off, the whole fantasy community had turned against Dan for.

[C]

Oh, shocker.

[A]

Calling him, calling it collusion for not. For not freeing up enough roster spots, not seeing the message on the message board. Dan's having a little trouble with his emails and not being ready for the dynasty draft. So using a workaround of. Of trading players with each pick with another manager who didn't have enough roster spots and it got a little hairy, Got a little controversial. Dan, what do you have to say for yourself?

[C]

All right, well, let's just start from the beginning here. Okay. Beginning here is. It's the weekend we start the dynasty draft on the weekend. I'm away this past weekend.

[A]

We started on Friday.

[C]

Friday. But. But my first pick was made on the weekend.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

Okay. Or my first pick was. No, I was able to make my first pick. Okay. So by the time it gets to my second round pick, where the issue where the issue starts. It's Saturday. It's Saturday in the middle of the day. I'm at lighthouse links. I'm on a golf trip with friends, and I realized when I'm trying to click my player Emmett Johnson to make my pick of Emmett Johnson in round two, who is by far and away top player on my board all off season on beyond the box score. I have said he was my RB2 going into the draft before the draft, and he was clearly my best player overall at that point. It says, you can't make this pick. So I text Heath, I'VE been here before. A few years back, it's. That's not, not new ground to me, which is definitely not pro for my case. But three years ago, this happened. I said, heath, it's happening. What can I do here? And so he gives me some options. And so I take one of the options. I go nuts on the message board, hey, anyone trade me, I'll give you whatever, just let me make my pick. I just want to make my freaking pick. In a dynasty league, it seems like an important thing to do that everybody who has their picks gets to make their picks. That's my opinion, at least it seems like probably the most important thing to do anyway. I'm texting the league, I'll trade you whatever. I finally find someone who's willing to trade down with me. I have to give up my pick in round two. I lose out on Emmett Johnson and I get another player. I'm able to make my pick. I get nothing out of this. I just get to move down because I didn't see the message in time to get my roster down. So anyway, I make the trade, I lose Emmett Johnson, I don't say a word about this. I don't say a peep, I don't complain. I'm dealing with it. It's fine. Then it's getting to the next round and somebody from the league, and this is the truth, I'm not going to say his name, texts me and says, I got an idea. I think if you trade players, they don't make you force. Like you can get over the roster limit if you trade players. So, okay, I accept it because to me, I thought, and this is where I was wrong, I thought Heath agreed with me until this week. I was way wrong about this. I thought he agreed with me that it was stupid, that the. That on CBS you can't cut players before you draft them because on every other app that I draft Dynasty on, you can cut players before you draft them. Jamie discussed this yesterday before we were on the show. Every other dynasty I've ever played, you don't have to be in this really tight spot where you can't cut a player. Once the draft is start for some reason, the roster is on full lock, which now I know Heath likes and Heath wants. And I just didn't know Heath would wanted that because from the, like the conversations I had with Heath, it sounded like he kind of agreed, oh, this is a stupid spot right now. And you, you can do this and this to try to get out of it. So I was wrong. About that. Heath likes that rule. Apparently, to me it's one of the dumbest rules in the history of fantasy football and dynasty football. NFL teams don't cut rosters down to September. Every other dynasty guy playing doesn't cut rosters down. So for this league to have this strict rule where if somebody misses this deadline where the draft hits start and the commissioner hits start on deadline, if somebody misses that deadline, you're going to lead to a situation where they don't get to make their draft picks in a dynasty league. Now, in my mind, that's the worst case scenario. Obviously that's not the worst case scenario. In Heath's mind, he's mine. The worst case scenario is somebody doing these trade backs or whatever workaround to try to make their rookie draft picks. To me, those two things don't equate. One compromises the competitiveness of the league, people having to forfeit draft picks. The other is somebody gets two extra days to make releases. Like what did I gain? What did me and the other manager who proposed this idea to me gain by this? We had an extra 48 hours before we could cut our players. Because to me you should just be able to cut the player, then make the pick. Or you expand the roster three spots and then everybody makes the pick like the NFL and you cut down at a later date. Because that's what every other dynasty that I play in is. So that's where I stand. Where I stand is just. Look, I made a mistake. No, let me finish. I made a mistake. Come on, take accountability for it. I have a lot to say. I've you guys been spewing on me all week and I haven't begun to word it. I made a mistake by not. It's. It's a mistake. But like I'll tell you this, I look went into my account details on CBS Sports and tried to change my email to Paramount. Try to do everything I can. I can't get these emails. I searched my inbox. No emails from Dynasty on my account page on alerts, the place you're supposed to go, it says that right now I'm supposed to be getting emails for messages. It says checked off email. I don't see the emails. I search. I can't get them. They're nowhere to be found. So the same thing is going to keep repeating itself for me unless I magic. But it won't because now after the season just gonna mass cut a thousand players. I don't even care.

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No, stop.

[C]

Yeah, I am, I am because I want to make My draft picks in a rookie dynasty league. And I would say the worst case scenario is two teams having a forfeit their draft picks in a rookie dynasty. Forfeited picks for doing nothing wrong. Like, what is that? That's a horrible scenario. We want to play in a league where people are forfeiting picks because the rosters weren't expanded or the app won't let you cut a player before you draft them, even though every other app will. Like, come on. What are we doing here? I don't get it.

[A]

Okay, okay. Opening statement from dad. Yeah.

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Opening monologue.

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Heath.

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Dan, we play in a league that has rules. Those rules have to be guarded by men with commissioner powers. Who's gonna do it? You? Lieutenant Costanza, I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for lost fourth round picks. You curse roster limits. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That lost picks, while tragic, probably saved the league. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves leagues. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me as commish. You need me as commish. We use words like roster limits, collusion, league notifications. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very league that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a commissioner title and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.

[E]

Was that we can't handle the truth.

[C]

Is that that one?

[A]

No, it was A Few Good Men. I assume.

[C]

You assume you can't handle the truth. Isn't that the one with the you

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can't handle the truth?

[A]

Yeah, I was waiting for you can't handle the rules or something.

[D]

Can't handle the rules.

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I've never seen it. I. I figured it out.

[C]

But you never seen it. Even I've seen A Few Good Men never seen it.

[A]

We've done this before. That was terrific. That was terrific.

[D]

Watch.

[C]

Rocky. But you can't watch.

[A]

You know, listen, Dan, you've had this email issue for several years. You've done.

[C]

I can't fix it. I tried my hardest to fix it yesterday. I won't be getting emails.

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Email to someone.

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Dan.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

How many years have you played Dynasty

[C]

leagues on CBS or in overall, Ever, ever? Probably at this point, four or five years.

[E]

Only four or five years?

[C]

Maybe longer. I don't know.

[E]

Okay, let's just say five years.

[C]

When do rookie drafts happen differently, different for every league?

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Majority of them for the leagues you

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play in, I would say the majority of them happen around this time.

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Okay. So shouldn't you be checking to see when the drafts are happening?

[C]

Yeah, I should be checking to see when the drafts are happening. Like I said, I take full accountability for that. I screwed up. I didn't know when this draft happening.

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I didn't hear. I apologize. I wouldn't have been as harsh to Dan if I had heard during the op opening 35 minute monologue. I take full responsibility because this entire thing is starts there, of course.

[C]

Like I. I should have known when the draft was going to start. All this is true. I. Even though I'm not getting notifications, I should have found a way to know. And I don't even know. I'm not getting these emails and I don't know how I ever will, which is another problem for another day. Yeah, I'll email it and try to get on it. Adam, like I don't have a million

[B]

other things to do.

[C]

He'll fix trying to start a new podcast. But let me figure out the IT issue with this point being like I don't expect and I don't and it's not Heath's job to handhold me. It can't. Heath can't be expected to individually text each member like, hey, the draft's going to start at this time. Make sure your rosters are down. I don't expect that, but I do stand by that. I think it's a ridiculous rule to have these roster limitations going into Dynast league, as I mentioned, not any of my other dynast leagues besides the two that I play in that Heath runs. I don't even know if he runs yellow. I assume he runs yellow. Somebody else. Honestly, besides the two that he's run. I don't have this problem because this is not an actual rule in any of those other leagues. You can either make the cut at the time of the draft because the app allows you to, or the a couple other leagues. I plan they expand the rosters like the NFL teams do. I mean, the NFL teams aren't cutting down until September. Why are we cutting down in May? It makes no sense to me.

[A]

I agree. He's.

[D]

Are you.

[B]

Are you proposing a rule change?

[C]

Yes, of Course I'm proposing a rule change. I don't want anyone else again. I proposed it on the message board and we'll see what happens. He said he's strongly opposed to it and he would need a massive overwhelming majority, which is fine. It's east league, I don't care. I'm not asking. He's to bow to my like existence. If the majority doesn't want it, that's fine. If they're not overwhelming, that's fine as well. But my point is like, yes, I'm going to propose this rule change because this is ridiculous. Comment from Pop. So it was the weekend pop. It was the weekend Pop. Not allowed to go on a golf trip on the weekend with Saturday, Sunday in Maryland. Like, let me have my fun. I'm Saturday in the middle afternoon and I see I can't make a draft pick.

[A]

I gotta wrap it up here.

[C]

Last thing is the rule changes.

[A]

No, you don't.

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No you don't.

[C]

Yes, I do the rule changes for one reason, one reason all. I don't want to be in a position and I would hope Heath doesn't, but I don't know where this happens again. Where two teams are text are not able to make their draft picks in a rookie dynasty league, to me that's the worst case scenario. I thought we were playing for fun. I didn't think we want a technicality, two teams out of making their picks and try to really go hard on that and really get an edge for whoever else is in this league. And look, it's our fault, me and the other guy for not doing it. I get it. But like, is this what we want? A world we want to live in where people are forfeiting draft picks in round two. It just doesn't feel good to me. But maybe others are good with that.

[A]

No, I think, look, I think there's a lot of leagues where if I weren't getting my email notifications, I would miss things too, including the draft date. So I actually don't really blame you for that. I don't blame Heath either. It was an unfortunate situation. There is an easy way we can get your email situation fixed and I think we should stop blaming the app. It's the rule that Heath wanted. Heath's the commissioner, that's fine.

[C]

No, I agree. It's the other apps do let you cut the players of the draft. I'm just saying.

[A]

All right, but question for Heath. We had an email from Alexander and he wants to know if I only have one first round rookie pick. I must have at least one open roster spot in order to make the pick. What happens if I decide to trade back my 110 for 202 and 210? Is this forbidden because I can't drop players during the draft?

[D]

Yeah, you know I think it's. It's really good point. Fantastic that Alexander in like 45 words made a better point than Dan has made in two weeks. And this is something that kind of caused me to pause that like yeah, I think that that that part of it is something that I need to think about. It would like I do think you kind of just need I usually go into the rookie draft with one more roster spot that I need but if you're only most dynasty leagues I'm in that last guy on your like the guys Dan's trying to trade right now aren't guys that he cared if he cut or cut or not. He knows that he's going to cut them. So when you make that trade just trade the 110 and the one extra player for those two picks.

[C]

But that team may not have the roster space for it. That's kind of the point. Alexander's email and I think it goes beyond just that one individual example. Like there's going to be be plenty of times where you don't know going into a draft class based on trades that you may make how many roster spots you actually need and how many you don't need. That's kind of the point of the expanded rosters or the ability to cut players at the time of the draft. So you can actually make those decisions live in time. If you get a trade offer like that or if anything comes and you're like ah, I see the board now. I don't really actually need this pick or actually I want five picks because there are five players I like, they're still on the board. You should have that flexibility to know that you shouldn't be locked into. I have a certain amount of guys I can draft or God forbid I have to scramble in the league and try to trade away players and trade four players. That just doesn't seem good.

[D]

Just to be clear, I do add two extra roster spots. That's the only reason you were able to make a pick in the draft. So I do add two.

[C]

It doesn't change the fact that we're talking about not.

[D]

It does change. It answers Alexander's question. You'd actually have a couple extra roster spots for a move like that.

[A]

Do we? Because is it just because we don't have the Taxi squad, though, right? So we don't really have the roster spots. You have to take people off taxi squad and put them in the roster spots.

[D]

People automatically go off taxi squad. Like, everybody has an illegal roster as soon as the league. League year rolls over.

[C]

I think the point, though, of what Alexander's asking, because there's 50, 000 examples we can come offshoot from it, is like, why do we want to be locked into a certain amount of roster spots when the draft's supposed to be a fluid?

[D]

Mostly because I can't get you to drop players when there's a severe consequence for dropping players.

[C]

What's the concept?

[D]

So if I. Losing draft picks, which you just did. So if I did it in June or July, I'd have to text you six times to get you to make your drops.

[C]

You probably have to text me one time, and then I'll make them right there, like, just like everybody else.

[A]

Are you talking to Dan or Jamie right now?

[C]

Just text us one time and, like, then we'll make drops. But, like, that doesn't impact the draft and the ability to want a fluid draft. I hold that.

[A]

All right.

[E]

Point is, like, no.

[C]

I mean, I've made my case. I think other people agree with it. I've talked to a lot of people offline who agree it's a bad rule. That's all I'll say.

[D]

Dan's approval rating is much higher. Higher offline.

[C]

Much higher offline. A lot of people think your rule stinks, Heath. That's all I'm gonna say now. It's still my fault for what happened. I agree with that.

[E]

A lot of people think your rule stinks, right?

[A]

Like, Dan's accepting responsibility. Maybe Heath can reconsider the rule. There's this, you know, there. There are. Are some issues that could arise from it. Something to think about. I am only cutting this conversation off because we have to take a commercial break. Dan would tell you he doesn't get texts, but here's the thing about Dan.

[C]

Like, there are a lot of group chats I don't check.

[E]

Yes, that's.

[A]

That's exactly my point. Like, Dan, you just have to be a little bit more responsible with communication because I. You sent me screenshots of your phone. You have, like, 140 text messages that you haven't read. Look at your phone right now. How many unread text messages do you have?

[C]

This is a problem. What are you supposed to do about these group chats? 210 group chats, though. Like, this is all from one or two group chats that I have on mute because I don't have time to follow every. Some of these people just texting and non stop.

[A]

You ha. You have to do a better job.

[E]

I love you so much.

[A]

Yeah, me too.

[C]

They're all group chats. Like I read all those individuals. All my indies are clicked off but the group chats are in trouble.

[A]

All right, you gotta do a better job. Group chat is kind of like an email that's sent to.

[C]

But I wish I got the email and the for at least the group chat I get.

[A]

All right, we gotta take a break.

[E]

We need to write a sitcom about your life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We'll talk about our favorite late round picks when we come back on Fantasy Football today. Wow.

[C]

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[E]

I'm trying to think about what my favorite line is.

[C]

Where'd he go?

[A]

He's got. He was only coming on for that.

[E]

Oh, I was trying to think of. My favorite line is we started the draft on the weekend. No, we didn't. I don't have time to do my mistake messages after I'm on a golf trip.

[B]

I think that it was the text Messages for me.

[A]

210 text messages. Insane. I, I actually. Of all the crazy things that were said, I think he could convince me, just me, that Friday is actually the weekend. I think

[D]

Friday at 8am I could get there.

[A]

I get there. Friday's the weekend. All right, news and notes. Clint Kubiak, new coach of the Raiders. He called Brock Bowers a football robot from heaven. He also said that Fernando Mendoza has been as advertised. Have you guys seen the video of the robot dancing to Billie Jean and falling? No, it's oh, I think I have

[E]

not A Few Good Men.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. If A Few Good Men were on Twitter I would have seen it. But there's this robot trying to do the Billie Jean dance and try to go up the steps and fall. It is so funny. Anyway, Quinshon Judkins is participating in team drills. Aaron Rodgers said this will be his last season, although I think he said that last year too. And all signs indicate that the Giants offense is going to be very run heavy. John Harbaugh was asked about he said if you can't run the ball, you know what are you going to do? You can't. You have to run the ball. And then Jackson Dart acknowledged it as well. So another thing to think about when thinking about Malik Neighbors and we'll talk about Isaiah likely a little bit later. We do have a lot of other podcasts that you can enjoy in the CBS Sports Network, including Beyond the Box Score, including FFT Dynasty. If you want to get ready for the World cup, you can watch the Thunder flop or you can listen to the call it what you want podcast. Yes, I'm taking a shot at the Oklahoma City Thunder for disgracing the game of basketball by falling on the floor 70 times a game. But anyway, go to CBSSports.com podcasts and look at all of our podcasts. We have I think three soccer podcasts. We have a lot of really good podcasts for you. All right, favorite late round picks we are, you know, let's just say around pick 100 or later and Heath, Dave and Jamie each gave us four. Heath, you were not on yesterday's show with the mid round pick, so I'll let you start with your late round picks. Rashad White of the Washington Commanders is

[D]

on your list and I just want to say right at the start that Dave sent his list in first and his list is better than mine and I would have put several of the names that Dave put on his list on my list. But yes, I it's funny, I looked at two different lists when we were trying to decide this and one of them had bill in round 11, one of them had Rashad White in round 11. I think either of them after after the first 10 rounds is a fantastic pick. I expect White to have the pass game role locked up and there's probably a lot of targets available behind Terry McClure in this offense. Some of them could go to Antonio Williams, some of them go to Chigaconquo. Somebody might talk about those guys later, but I think Rashad White will definitely take care of the running back targets and has an opportunity as well to work work on early downs. He'll be there two minute drill guy. He could be a good flex in PPR and he may just prove to be the best rusher or the guy they trust more on early downs as well and be a fantastic value here. I think he's a good value here in his current role though.

[A]

Okay, Rashad White Xavier Worthy Now I'm going to throw a Xavier Worthy in with a guy that Dave has on his list, which is Travis Kelsey. Kelsey was a top six tight end per game with Patrick Mahomes. Worthy was pretty much a non factor last year. He played eight games with Mahomes, Rice, Kelsey and Worthy all playing those eight games. Worthy had a 16.2% target share, Kelsey was about 20.2% I believe and Rice was something like 28%. But here's a question. Heath and then Dave and then Jamie. Can Zave can can Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelsey both be good assuming Rashi Rice is, you know, Rashi Rice or do you think there's only room for one of them to be good?

[D]

Heath? If Rasheed rice is a 30 target share guy and plays 17 games, I think it's really difficult for both Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelsey to be good. But I don't know that they have to be good to be values in round 11 or later. They're both just really cheap. We've heard a lot of the Chiefs talking this off season about how Worthy's lack of involvement was due to the fact that he wasn't really ever healthy after he got truck sticked by his own teammate in week one. And so I think there's opportunity there and when we when I was talking about Rashi Rice and and why I think Jamie too, like everything went so great for him this off season until about a week ago everything went so great for Xavier Worthy. They they didn't bring in anybody that I think is going to compete with him for targets either. And if rice is not 100 because he's trying to rehab in a jail then or if Rice is suspended or if Rice does something else wrong and Worthy has a chance to be A smash value. But I think even If Rice plays 17 games, Worthy will be better than around 11 value.

[B]

I feel the same way about Kelsey. Tell me if you think this is good. A tight end that gets at least 10 PPR points in 62.5% of his games.

[C]

Is that good?

[B]

Is that okay? How do you rate that? How do you gauge that?

[A]

Solid.

[B]

Solid is a great way to put it.

[A]

Yeah. Not a guy that I'm gonna go to the waiver wire much for. Just gonna leave him in my roster.

[B]

Sure. That's what Kelsey did last year in full games with Mahomes and Rice. It's an eight game sample, but that's what he did. And there were a couple games. His two best games of the year came with both Mahomes and Rice on the field. I know that that's not what you expect when you hear the name Travis Kelsey. When you hear that name, if you've been playing fantasy for more than a year, you're thinking about a guy that can help you win your week every week, and now he just can't do that. But he's also not getting drafted with a top 30 pick. Now it's like pick 100 when Travis Kelsey comes off the board. So I. I don't mind. And Adam, I know you've been doing this in our early drafts. I don't mind waiting on Kelsey. Assuming I don't get a good value at tight end within the first five rounds. I'll just go greater late and Kelsey will be somebody that I target late.

[E]

This is the first time since 2014 if the data is accurate because it's obviously a bunch of different sites, but first time since 2014 that he will not be a top five pick at tight end.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[E]

Yeah, he won't be.

[A]

That's amazing.

[E]

Yeah. Just just goes to show his staying power and obviously how great he's been. I think the. There's a couple things here that, you know, you look at with this. Well, more than a couple, but, you know, a couple that haven't been mentioned. Obviously you got to see what's happening with. With Rice in regards to both these guys. I think Kelsey probably just goes up incrementally. If Rice isn't there, Worthy takes a huge leap. Obviously if Rice isn't there. You know, you wonder if there's still a player out there that we know of that has ties to the Chiefs. Do they consider bringing in Tyree Kill if this goes the way that it could for. For Rice either with injury or potential suspension just to have something, somebody there that has some familiarity with the, with the team. Mahomes. And where is he, you know, what's, what's the status of his knee and is he the same guy? You know, is, is he better? Because you know, of, you know, just having to, you know, change some things this off season. His numbers, I, I know obviously it was, you know, and he's obviously Stone's prime but you know, peak Mahomes from a statistical standpoint, his numbers were at his best when Eric B. Enemy was on the offensive staff. And so now you have the enemy back. You know, how much does that, you know, factor in as well? So there's a lot of moving parts I think with the Chiefs right now. I think just given the fact of where you can get these two players in particular, like we talk about lottery tickets and again, most drafts aren't happening now. So you'll know what Rashi Rice's standing is and where he's coming into the season. But my God, best ball drafts like Xavier Worthy is a smash pick.

[A]

It's funny Dave is bringing up some ADP in our, in our private chat saying in CBS adp it's going Kelsey Worthy, Mahomes. But all these guys are late round picks. Whereas last year I think they were all going in round five or six and Rasheed Rice was actually going after them. He was facing a six game suspension and now obviously Rice is going first and all three Mahomes, Mahomes who was, you know, he's coming off a torn acl but he was at the top five quarterback with three, number three quarterback, something like that per game. And then, and then Kelsey top six per game with Mahomes and Worthy had kind of a lost season because of the injury but they're all late picks now. As of right now, I want to show you just one thing with, with Kelsey, you know we talk a lot about his age, his 37 in October two years ago. The efficiency was really bad last year he had a nice bounce back. He's not great anymore. But take a look if you're watching YouTube the Target, you see the target percentage. That's target per out run and I'll highlight it for you. Target per out run rate last year for Kelsey was 18.8%. It's a huge, huge decline. Two previous years, 23.5%, 18.8% target per out run rate. And then I'm going to add one other thing here that doesn't get talked about a lot with Kelsey. Maybe it does, but it's Touchdowns and watch his target, his target share his target per run rate in the green zone and look at how much it's collapsed. 13.5% last year, 18.8% the year before. So Travis Kelce used to get routinely a quarter of the green zone target or get targeted on a quarter of his routes in the green zone. Now it's not even close and yet he still is among the league. Last year he led all tight ends and goal to go route runs, routes run, but he just doesn't get targeted there anymore. It's really weird. If we can get back to that, maybe you can get us eight touchdowns or something like that. But kind of a strange trend for Kelsey that Holmes just does not look for him in the end zone nearly as much as it used to. Okay, back to Heath's lists we had. Yeah, why don't we stick with a tight end here? We'll save Tucker for last. Let's go to Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews is on this list for you. And, and how do you compare Andrews and Kelsey?

[D]

I think they're, they're very similar. Kelsey is definitely ahead of Andrews. If we don't think rashi rice is 100 going into the year or he's not going to be available for 100 of the games if Rice is, then I think they're both kind of borderline top 12 tight ends. I expect Andrews to benefit from the departure of Isaiah. Likely. I don't. I'm not super optimistic that either of the rookie wide receivers the Ravens drafted are going to have a huge share of the targets. Andrew should have a bigger share than he did last year. And I think that they, it's quite likely that they throw.

[E]

Likely.

[D]

Oh, just a little bit more than they did last year because the, the pass rate was so incredibly low and they just changed offensive coordinators. So I think we could see an increase in targets for Andrews. And he's always a guy that's a threat to score double digit touchdowns even if the targets are low. So somebody I'm happy to settle for at tight end after round 10.

[B]

Kelsey or Andrews?

[A]

He said it depends on Rasheed Rice.

[B]

I see. I missed that.

[E]

Yeah, I would take Kelsey still over Andrews, but I think Andrews is, he's so. He's so interesting because like, you know, they, they draft a big receiver into Kobe Lane, you know, and can he go out and be a red zone threat and maybe take some touchdowns away from Andrews? But Andrews, you know, just looking at it like, obviously, you know, I, I like looking at intangibles so Declan Doyle is related to Mike Ditka, tight ends coach in, in Denver and he has, you know, I forget where he was prior to this. Oh, Ben Johnson, he was on Ben

[B]

Johnson, Ben Johnson at Boston College.

[E]

So, you know, obviously coming from a system that, that may favor tight end and we may be talking about Ben Johnson's tree in the same light that we talk about Kevin Stefanski's tree, you know, so there's, there's a good bounce back situation here for Andrews who, you know, prior to last year was consistent with his fantasy production. Obviously it was kind of weird how he did it, you know, 2023 or excuse me, 2024. So touchdown dependent. So it's a lot, it's a lot to like based on his value because you know, you could see different, you know, moving parts for this offense just because it's a change, changing head coach, change coordinator. But obviously we know that, that Lamar Jackson likes him and it was so surprising that in December that they gave him the three year extension when they knew likely was up to be a free agent. Like I think we all thought, okay, Andrews walks, they resign likely and they build around the younger player and here they go sticking with the veteran. So I don't know how much of that was Lamar Jackson, how much of that was just management, you know, wanting to keep Andrews around, how much they still think that Andrews has to offer. But obviously things worked out pretty well for him this off season too and

[B]

they changed coaches after that, which was all the more interesting. I got confused with Doyle with another offensive coordinator who worked with Ben Johnson once upon a time. But yeah, Doyle was with Ben Johnson last year. Doyle is a Sean Payton disciple. I've been doing a bunch of research on the new play callers across the league and definitely was a tight ends coach. Definitely has a track record of leaning into his tight ends. We've already talked about the lack of other decent tight ends in Baltimore. What's stopping Mark Andrews from going back to being second on the team in targets. And I agree with Heath that there should be a slight uptick in pass attempts from Baltimore moving forward.

[A]

I mean, it's one thing to be second on the team in targets, but if they're going to be last in the NFL, they might have a slight uptick, but they still might be, you know, 30. They're basically 30 or lower in pass attempts every year except for one of Lamar Jackson's career. I might be slightly off on that, but they're super run heavy every year. They don't throw a Lot. And I have his stats up. Mark Andrews, I want you to look at the end zone target column. I'll highlight it here. He's the opposite of Kelsey. Sorry. He gets a lot of them now. Two years ago, he caught 80% of them, which was insane. Last year he caught like. Like 15 of them or something like that. So maybe more than that, but it was kind of low. But he. I kind of look at him as maybe this year's Dallas Goddard, where he'd have to score a lot of touchdowns. Mark Andrews, which is what he did in 2024.

[E]

Right.

[A]

But I don't know. As recently as 2023, Mark Andrews played nine healthy games, played one game with 10 of the snaps. In the nine games, he was on pace for 81 catches, 984 yards, 12 touchdowns on 111 targets. He was the best tight end in fantasy when he was healthy in 2023, 2024, he was all touchdowns. Last year, he was tight end, 27 per game. But it is two years in a row with 70 targets in a full season. So I don't know. I'm not really that optimistic about him. I don't know. Like, I. I don't. I don't see how he gets to 100 targets.

[C]

Oh, I don't.

[D]

Yeah. But what. Has he done that once?

[A]

Well, he's probably been on pace for that more than once, but I don't know.

[D]

I guess he's done it twice.

[B]

It's almost six targets per game.

[A]

100, right?

[D]

Yeah, I will say that. Like, when you're talking like, they are always low in pass attempts and they've been terribly low the last three years, but they threw 422 passes last year. Yeah, 422. Like, they're gonna throw it 50 more times, most likely.

[A]

Okay. All right, let's go to Trey Tucker, last guy on Heath's list. Trey Tucker with the Raiders.

[C]

The.

[D]

I don't know who it's going to be. The number one wide receiver for the Raiders is being drafted after round 10. It's pretty rare that you get a chance to draft the number one wide receiver for a team after round 10. Tucker is entering his fourth year. He has gotten better every year. It's going to be him or Jalen Naylor. I prefer Tucker. I think one of the other guys prefers Naylor. I would draft one of those guys after round 10.

[A]

Anybody who. Who likes Naylor better than it's me.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I just. I love that he's been in Kubiak's offense. Previously Got a big contract to join Las Vegas. Should get an opportunity to be the number one wide receiver for the Raiders. I don't think that means anything. Great. Usually when you hear oh, it seems number one wide receiver, you get excited. I don't think he's necessarily going to be exciting. I'm not sure if any wide receiver in Las Vegas is going to be exciting. But taking shots on them in the double digit rounds, I don't know how you argue against that. Unless you want to just fire at other positions, which does make sense.

[E]

Would you guys match is in the same range too. Like they're all three worst dart throws here. He should be third. But. But Tucker and Naylor are definitely worth taking a shot at.

[A]

Would you rather have Jalen McMillan or a Raiders receiver?

[E]

Raiders receiver?

[D]

Raiders, yes.

[A]

Okay, how about Casey Concepcion or Raiders receiver?

[B]

Concepcion, Casey Denzel.

[A]

Boston or Raiders?

[D]

Raiders.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because that's interesting. You have more faith in Concepcion being. That's not that interesting. But you have more faith in Concepcion being ahead of Boston than you do any particular Raiders guy being ahead of the other and not including the tight end. Just talking about wide receivers. Okay. And by the way, I, I talked early in the show, I started out with that stat that There have been 36 wide receivers in the last six seasons drafted in round nine or later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game. The three who did it last year were Wandell Robinson, Michael Wilson, and then the one guy who did it only per game was Christian Watson. All three of them really benefited from injuries to teammates, Neighbors, Marvin Harrison Jr. And I would argue Tucker, Kraft. So that is often what happens. I looked at the list that there's been a lot of guys who have just really been target hogs because of injuries. We can't, we can't sit here and predict that. But that's a lot of times the guys who end up emerging from this range. But we'll give you some more names to consider when we come back. We'll take a break and Dave and Jamie will give their lists after this. So Dave's talked about Travis Kelsey already, so we'll skip Kelsey and we'll go to Isaiah Likely. Isaiah Likely. And then we'll give the two running backs on Dave's list, Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman. Isaiah Likely or Travis Kelsey or Mark Andrews.

[B]

Dave, I will fire the shot on Likely before settling for one of those other tight ends.

[E]

Jamie Likely's ADP is one of the strangest things I've seen because usually people get More excited about new players joining new teams. Players that have a track record like this where there's always generate. He always generates hype anytime he does something of significance. And I would have thought if you were to say, okay, here's the tight end ADP or just ADP overall, that likely would have been in the top 10 range of his position and the fact that he's not as a little disturbing to me. So I, I wonder why the market is not not reflecting that. I'm sure that will change once we get to redraft leagues, but I think there's a huge upside play here for Likely. So definitely him.

[B]

For me, I wonder if it's because we've been burned by Likely so many times. Have we? There are so many. It feels like it.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I mean.

[E]

Well, there was the overspend on Fab after the week one game in 2024

[B]

and then even last year too. We had a big game and we were all excited about him. And the next week I think he had a donut the week after a big game in 2025. Okay, look, I, I just, I like the fact that this, this is somebody who was a number two tight end on his team who should now be a number one tight end for his new team. Coach knows who he is and what he's capable of doing and who's going to be the number two target getter in New York. And all this talk about they want to be more run heavy, okay, fine, so they're not going to be a bastion of passing. But think about what they've got. It's neighbors coming off of an acl. It's a bunch of other receivers that are either inexperienced or underwhelming for their entire careers. And then it's Isaiah Likely who admittedly has been a little underwhelming, but he's also never had a lot of opportunities. He's had nine career games with six or more targets. He's had 12 and a half or more PPR points in eight of the nine.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And Matt Nagy has a track record.

[E]

Well, it's better than that. You know, he's average in those nine games. Games.

[B]

It's huge.

[E]

I just like giving a 16.6 PPR points per game in those nine games.

[B]

Wow. Okay, so you can choose your favorite set. Either way, you love it. And then Nagy brought in Trey Burton in Chicago. When he went to Chicago, gave him a huge amount of money. He underwhelmed. It was nine point. I have it here somewhere. 9.2 PPR points per game, 4.8 targets per game. That would suck. And that would be an even worse floor for likely than what we're talking about. But that's also not six targets per game. And then obviously Nagy did a lot of work with Travis Kelsey at tight end. These are not the same players. Likely much more of a receiving tight end than a do it all tight end like Kelsey is. I don't mind taking the chance on him and the ADP is helpful. So I this is the I will target him. Like I said, I will target him ahead of Kelsey, Andrews, Goddard, all these other older tight ends. Kittle, there's no way I'm going to go to battle one of those older guys when I can get somebody that's maybe the new hotness at the position.

[A]

Okay, and Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman, who do you prefer?

[B]

I for now it's Brooks, but there could be a switch between now and August where I put Coleman ahead of Brooks and it really just comes down to how Brooks comes along in the preseason. Is he practicing with the team most days? Does he get into preseason games? We're talking about a running back that's had two major ACL injuries in the same knee and now suddenly we're adding him with a late pick. I guess the value is great, but the the hope is that he actually makes inroads on making chuba Hubbard A1B back. And it might be a little too far fetched, but if it's a double digit round pick, I don't mind the concept of it. It just might be someone that you're drafting before the season and cutting by October because he's not getting the job done. And then obviously any setback that he has between now and week one and his draft stock is going to plummet. Coleman is an interesting fit in Denver. A lot of people, including some people in Denver, compare him to J.K. dobbins, but he doesn't have the injury history of J.K. dobbins. And you've got to figure the Dobbins will miss time at some point along the way. Is it going to be R.J. harvey that gets all that work or does Coleman earn a role where he leapfrogs Harvey and is the one A and Harvey is the one B? I'm going to point to some things that were really good for Coleman when he was in college. He was awesome in short yardage goal line situations. He's a good zone blocking running back. I think that he can be somebody who can contribute similarly to How Dobbins contributes for Denver and it might not be just this year. I think he's a first round pick obviously in rookie only drafts. And I think he's worth stashing. Especially if you go 0rb, you get J.K. dobbins. All right, Dobbins is your starter to begin the season. You have mild RB2 expectations for him. But then when he goes down, Coleman might be the one that you place in the lineups instead of RJ Harvey. And Harvey's being drafted out of both the Denver running backs and they're.

[A]

Yeah, and they talk, they talk about Coleman as a third down back. Whereas we know Dobbins is not going to be that.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

But I don't know.

[D]

I just.

[A]

I just can't draft a guy where I feel like he has to leapfrog two players, you know, not if he's

[B]

already got a role. If he's already got a role as a third down back, which you don't see from rookies very often. That's why I didn't say anything about that. Because you don't see rookies going from college to pros and they're suddenly playing third downs. La Quint Allen did it last year. No one knows who he is because he didn't help us in fantasy. But it's rare. There might be one guy a year. Could Coleman be that guy this year? Maybe. And does he have value when J.K. dobbins is healthy? Definitely not.

[A]

Right.

[E]

You can't start him if Coleman.

[B]

You gotta wait for that to happen. Happen.

[E]

If Coleman is the third down back now, then RJ Harvey is one of the biggest busts in fantasy.

[A]

I mean, I think Tyler Bidet. Tyler Bidet might be the third down back right now with Harvey also playing third down. I don't think they have one exclusive third down back. I think they split it between Harvey and Bidet last year. That's. I think that's what they did and I guess they would do that too. But yeah, Harvey, not great. Okay. Anyway, that's Dave's list. That would be Kelsey, likely Brooks and Coleman. And Jamie's got Chris Rodriguez, Dallas Goddard, Matthew Stafford and a couple of commanders on his team. So who do you want to start with Jamie on his list?

[E]

We start with our regue. Stick with the running backs.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Stick with the running backs and go with Chris Rodriguez.

[E]

I mean, again, we're looking at a backfield that we don't really know exactly who the starter is going to be. And Rodriguez could be that guy. And you're getting him significantly later than you're getting Basil Tootin. So I hope it's Tootin. I think he's got a little bit more upside than Rodriguez who doesn't have the at least resume or pedigree seemingly to be involved in the passing game significantly. But Rodriguez, as we've talked about time and again after he signed with Jacksonville, has a history with Liam Cohen from their days in Kentucky. He was good at times for the Commanders last season. So when given work I think will be productive. Could they split the the running back share the workload that is left behind by Travis Etienne? Absolutely. And then Rodriguez is still good value in a handcuff situation. Obviously has lottery ticket upside if facial Toon were to miss any time. But we sort of fell for the hype for Tootin last year. Again, different scenario because there was a proven veteran on the roster. Obviously if Rodriguez comes out in training camp and shows that he's the better of the two running backs, this ADP is going to change. So you're getting him at a discount now. But again this is just one of those situations where could the second guy and the guy that they paid be a little bit better than the guy that we are expecting to be the incumbent. I just like to take a lot of shots on Chris Rodriguez. I think as a fourth running back, in some cases maybe a fifth running back depending on how many you like to put on your team. This is a guy that can end up being significantly more valuable than we are drafting him right now.

[A]

Okay, and Chris Rodriguez. Yeah, six career catches. Do you think he over under six catches this year for Chris Rodriguez? I'll take the okay, just a fun note here. This is why advanced metrics are fun but not always so helpful. Over the last three seasons among 87 running backs with 100 or more carries, Chris Rodriguez ranks 10th in a void rate which is great. Number one on the list is Kendry Miller. Number five is Tank Bigsby. Number seven is Antonio Gibson. Number eight is Jaleel McLaughlin. So it's like Rodriguez has great stats but everything is just such small samples with him. But no, I mean I totally agree. Not trying to throw cold water on it's a great pick. Just a thought. Just a note on stats. All right. Dallas Goddard Dallas Goddard was the number five tight end per game in non and half PPR. Number six in full PPR. He has been a top 13 per game tight end in in full PPR in seven straight seasons. I'm guessing he's around top 13 and ADP check he is tight end 14 undervalued.

[E]

Jamie Dallas Goddard, so undervalued. And again, this will change when the AJ Brown trade I'm sure officially happens. But you see the path here, right? It's taking away a significant piece of this offense and changing things around. Obviously, Makai Lemon comes in, 20th overall pick in the NFL draft. I think what's not being said enough is they drafted another tight end that we're expecting to just be the replacement. But what if we see a lot more 12 personnel for them and. And we see stowers on the field a little bit more. Remember changing play caller. So personnel could be a little bit different for, for the Eagles as well. So Goddard may lose a few opportunities even though there's something being removed with A.J. brown gone. But still, if you take A.J. brown off the field, I think you just want to, you know, take chances on a guy that has clearly been a go to option for Jalen Hurts and you know, Heath made this comment. I forget who it was about. Maybe it was about Goddard. But Hurt Hurts has been stubborn to change things. If he's going to be stubborn to adapt to Sean Manion and still want to stick to the guys that he's relying on, then devonte Smith and Dallas God are in great spots. So I think just looking at where Goddard's ADP is again taking chances on late round tight ends, you, you said it, Adam. You know, he's got a track record that's hard to argue with. He's also got an injury history that's hard to argue with as well. So you got to be prepared for him to miss a couple of weeks at some point during the season, at least if that holds. But again, playing for a contract here, coming off a season where he was among the leaders and touchdowns at the position among the leaders and pass catchers and touchdowns, you know, Dallas Goddard just is an easy auto pick if you just miss on all these tight ends. It's funny because two of the guys that we mentioned, I, I think I mentioned this and I was going to bring it up with Dan. When Dan's saying he couldn't make a draft pick while he was on the golf course. I said this either yesterday or Monday. Last week I did a draft for a magazine. I'm coaching a baseball game. I am running the game changer where I have to keep track of the score and doing a draft all at the same time. I drafted Isaiah, likely the only auto pick that I had. I'm sorry I had to. The last pick, which I didn't really care about but I had two auto picks. One was like round 11 or 12. It was, it was Dallas Goddard and I think that's an easy tight end pairing. If you're a little bit concerned about does Isaiah likely take that step forward Dallas guy, it's a great fallback option. So you know, if you want to take two tight ends, give me likely and Goddard all day long.

[A]

This is a great team name from or nickname from Mike D for three Dallas Pater. Yeah, because that means scoring a touchdown. But let me show you this page for Dallas Goddard just for fun. He led. He was tied with Jake Ferguson for most targets among tight ends from the one to five yard line. But he scored seven touchdowns. No one else scored more than four. And then if you look at this history, this is the page that shows Dallas Goddard's tight end targets. Targets by season from the five yard line are closer. He has 20 for his career. He had eight last year. He had four straight seasons with one. So they just, they were intentional about it. They threw a lot of screens to him near the goal line. But even in the years where he wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns, top 13 per game in PPR seven straight seasons. Heath, any thoughts on Goddard versus Likely and Kelsey and Andrews?

[D]

I think likely is in a different category and Goddard, Andrews and Kelsey are all right in the same group.

[A]

Did you guys not not see the Dallas Goddard target screen? Did I not have that displayed? No, sorry, I screwed that up. Well, Anyway, he has 20 career targets inside the five yard line and eight of them were last year. Jamie, Matthew Stafford. David's talked about him a lot and now he's on your list here. Matthew Stafford, one of your favorite late round picks. Heatha, are you also in on Stafford as a late round pick?

[D]

If it's late enough.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Jamie, what's late enough?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. What is late enough? Heath?

[D]

I mean I don't usually draft him in our drafts because Jalen Hurts goes in round seven or eight and Dak Prescott Prescott goes after that. And so if you're talking about. But if you were league where quarterbacks are going in the first six rounds and Matthew Stafford's there in round 11, then sure, it makes a lot of sense.

[A]

Jamie, thoughts on Stafford?

[E]

I mean we've said a lot. It was just a little surprising that he's so late on fantasy pros adp, you know, so for a guy that led the position in fantasy points per game last year, and I know you know the, the sample size for Stafford is two years over 25 fantasy points and two years under 20 fantasy points. Like which Stafford are we getting this season? But I think you just have to look at what he did last year, first year with, you know, the two receivers that he had, Devonte Adams as the touchdown guy and Puka Nakua having career season. Like you, you just look at this and say, okay, if I miss on everything, I'll take the NFL MVP this late. You know, so it's just easy to, you know, fall back on. But again, this position is so deep, you know, it's a matter of do you take the chance on Stafford doing this again or let's say Kyler Murray who's also going this range. Another guy I was going to mention, but I feel like we talk about him a lot too. Another guy that's in this range that has in my opinion huge upside also. So I would probably lean toward the proven guy more so than the unproven in terms of what they just did a year ago. To me, Stafford is an easy, easy fallback option. And I think if we were to say he's going to do X, Y or Z of anything that he did a year ago, he'd be a top five player at his position. It's just the fact that he's 38 years old. They drafted a guy, you know, this plays on people's minds. They drafted his replacement. So I think that weighs down his value a little bit. You know, in terms of Ty Simpson with the first round pick, you're looking again if you, if you take the body of work that Stafford was not good in 2024, 2023 as a fantasy quarterback, but still like just had such an amazing season. You love the play caller, you love the weapons. It's hard not to think that Stafford could be 20 plus points per game again. And I think just getting him in this range, it's easy to, you know, to take him.

[A]

So when you say his, his ADP is so low, what kind of ADP are you seeing for Stafford?

[E]

I mean round 11 or later is pretty good.

[A]

Yeah, I'm seeing him right around 100th or so. QB 13. Yeah, I mean fantasy pros. Depends what format you look at. You look at non PPR. I think he's QB14, QB15 and in on full PPR is QB13 going about 104th I think.

[E]

Oh, I saw it later. I'm sorry.

[A]

No, that's all right. I mean things change. Draft, draft sharks. He's going 112th as QB.

[B]

Where's he in ours?

[A]

He's QB 13 in hours or. No, it's QB 12 in hours and he's going 123rd. This is Matthew Stafford we're talking about. So roughly QB 12, 13 in most of these ADPs draft sharks is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. So. All right. But I guess just, just to conclude, I think Heath, you said round 12 is when you.

[D]

11 or 12 is fine.

[A]

Yeah. Dave, Matthew Stafford, where would you want to take him?

[B]

10 Jamie after round 11.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And then finally you give yourself a couple of options on the commanders, Chigo Conquo and Antonio Williams. And what's the theme there?

[E]

It's almost like what Heath was saying with the Raiders receivers. Like, you know, you're looking at the guys that are going to be involved opposite or along with with Terry McLaurin. And as of right now, these are the top two guys. You know, Rashad White's going to factor in as well, or at least a running back will factor as well. I would, I would say it's White also. The one thing that you got to keep an eye on is this is a Stefan Diggs potential destination, you know, that's been rumored. He's from the Maryland area, so could he, you know, sign with the commanders? I think that changes things certainly for Williams, but I mean, obviously we saw Jane Daniels in his rookie season. Zach Ertz was a huge part of what he was doing. And Okonko is one of these, you know, unique tight ends that he's extremely fast. He was the fastest guy at the combine when he came out. He doesn't necessarily catch the ball like you would like to see, has an issue with drops, but an athletic tight end that finds a way to get open when he's gotten targets. He's been successful with them. And so this is just an easy late round guy again past the Goddard, Andrews, Kelsey range, you know, if you miss on those guys. But if you're inclined to take two tight ends, if you want to pair an older tight end with a guy that's just getting a great opportunity, you know, again, looking at this receiving core, it's Terry McLaurin and a bunch of unknowns. And so that's where Antonio Williams comes into play. Obviously a guy that they drafted with the perfect clear destination to just go get targets right away. And so if he can prove himself to be, you know, better than the trailing burks of the world and the other guys that they have there, you know, just a lot of veterans, Diamond Brown, you know, guys that aren't Exactly. I think players with upside in their careers at this point, you know, so Williams can go step in right away, earn a role and these are just two guys again when you're looking at opportunities at tight end and wide receiver, they both have it.

[A]

I'm going to throw out just some, some late round picks according to current fantasy pros ADP that we haven't talked about. Tell me how excited you would be to draft them. How about Jalen Coker?

[E]

I. I originally was going to give him as one of the list him as one of the players but it's, it's obviously tougher now to expect a big season after drafting Brazil and you know, looking at where Coker was the majority of the year last year, like he had some good moments. I just don't know if it'll be consistent. Like he'll probably have some flashes but still believe in the player. I just don't love the, the scenario right now that they bring in another wide receiver.

[B]

Three out of ten.

[A]

Okay, and how about I, I think Tyrone Tracy Jr. Is going too late. Just a little bit too much faith in Scatter Boo. My opinion coming off this injury Tyrone Tracy Jr. 132nd overall.

[B]

4 out of 10 if I don't have scatter boo. 8 out of 10 if I do, I'll say 6.

[E]

6 either way.

[A]

Sam Darnold, C.J. stroud, Cam Ward, Daniel Jones.

[B]

0 out of 10.

[A]

Let's see. How about Juwan Johnson?

[B]

2 0. I know it sounds weird because he had a good year last year but the Saints made additions and there's other tight ends that we talked about on this show that you can get later on that. I feel like Juwan can sit on the waiver wire and if he has a good week one will race to pick him up. But I'd be surprised if he's second on the team in targets this year. Yeah, I guess I shouldn't say that. If Jordan Tyson goes down with an injury or Olave has, you know, hopefully he Olave plays 17 games but obviously if one of those guys misses time, Juwan goes back to his old role.

[A]

Jalen McMillan. Anyone? Anyone interested?

[B]

One out of ten.

[A]

You missed my 180 degree flip on Chris Godwin yesterday. Come out, you're out.

[E]

Tell them why.

[A]

He had a 59 yard catch and run or something against the Dolphins and I clocked his 40 and it was like 5.36 seconds but there was, there was some non straight line running in it.

[D]

You azer statted a 40 yard dash off of A play where he was making cuts to avoid football players.

[E]

He ran in a game where he had over 100 yards receiving a touchdown.

[A]

Yeah, but that's why you watch a tape. Tape. You don't just go by the stats.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

He was so slow and really couldn't get open last. You know what? Let me see. What? Let me just see. ESPN open score. Last year on. On Chris Godwin. Let's see. Curious where he ranked Chris Godwin. He. Out of how many receivers? It wasn't that bad. 110th. He was 56. Not bad. Abuka was 104th, for what that's worth.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Nico Collins was a hundredth. I don't really put so much stock in this, but there's something.

[D]

Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up.

[B]

Using that.

[A]

Yeah. But no, I. I mean, watching that game, I just. Man, McMillan was so much better than Chris Godwin. And I think there's a chance that he's. He's their number two receiver and he's going super late.

[E]

So I guess could be their number two receiver.

[A]

Yeah, I think so.

[E]

Interesting.

[A]

Well, who else would it be?

[D]

Ted hurst?

[E]

I think McMillan could be their fourth receiver.

[A]

Yeah, he could. I don't know how much he'll play, but I do think there. I think anyone is eligible to be their number two receiver. I. I think that's fair. Abuka will be their number one receiver, but anyone could be their number two, including McMillan. Let's see. I'll give just a couple more if I can find the tab. I have so many tabs up. How many tabs do you guys usually have open? You're just doing work.

[B]

50.

[E]

My laptop. It's. It's like 20 something. This one. It's four.

[D]

Yeah. 22. Ish.

[B]

I've got like 25 on one tab on one browser.

[A]

I have 30 open right now. I didn't realize it was that many. Wow.

[E]

Send me a text. He has 210 tabs. How about a little earlier, by the way?

[A]

Round 10. Matthew Golden.

[E]

Love that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, Jamie hated it when I picked

[E]

him up at the time. Yes.

[A]

But I picked him earlier. I picked up in, like, round eight or something.

[E]

And I believe it was like our first draft. I think Dobbs was on the roster then. Maybe post Super Bowl.

[A]

Yeah. Jaden Higgins, round 11.

[B]

I was more excited after the season. Now I'm not two.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

I mean, Tank Dell's recovery is probably a big part of this.

[A]

Okay, so we had a YouTube poll. Which side are you on, Dan or Heath? And I really don't know because I think. I think he's needed to reach out independently to Dan and the other guy and ask them why they hadn't made any drops. I think he put a little bit too much faith in the people in his league.

[C]

That's.

[A]

That. That.

[D]

That much is clear.

[A]

Yeah, I think. But I'm gonna say I'm gonna vote Heath, and it's a little closer than I thought. 68, said Heath. 132 votes. 68. Heath. 32. Dan. What's your reaction to that, Heath?

[D]

I feel like it really gives me a lot to think about that nearly one third of the people that listen to this show thought that Dan was in the right in this situation. Yeah, that's.

[E]

But it's. People agree with Dan's take on expanding the rosters and just allowing people to make their picks. I think that's where people come out on this and I know that's where Adam comes out on this because he does it as the baked burger commissioner. I don't think anybody can agree with Dan's excuse making about why he didn't follow the rules that you have laid out that you obviously were very clear on the not getting emails again. I'm in the same boat. I have to fix my email from. From our leagues as well. I don't get those either for some glitch. So Dan's not alone in that. But that being said, that's why I asked Dan the question. I played in dynasty leagues multiple years. I know that usually after the rookie draft, whether there's going to be a draft or not, there's probably gonna be some mention of it. The NFL draft, there's gonna be some mention of the rookie draft. I saw what Heath's message is in both the draft, both leagues that he runs. I made the proper ad drops that I needed to make to make my draft picks. And I think that's how you have to approach it. Like he's played in. If this was his first time, and I know it's a. It's a startup dynasty league from 2025, but if this was his first time playing Dynasty and he made the mistake, I would feel much worse for him. Totally would say, oh, it was.

[D]

It was the reason that I basically ruled like Adam suggested and let the picks that had been made stand because there was someone else in the league who had made the same mistake. If it had just been Dan, I. I was 100 with you guys. And I listen, I think Dan did a good job of gaslighting the audience and trying to turn this into a discussion about my rules instead of the fact that he didn't pay attention or follow the rules.

[E]

Yeah, he, he, he can't be absolved of, of what his misgivings here. I think that's the problem is like. Or not the problem. But I think just the, the debate can certainly be, does the rule make sense of cutting players before the draft or cutting players after the draft? And I think that's certainly up for debate.

[A]

I think he's, I think Heath kind of. No, I think you were very dishonest when you said you expanded the rosters by two because you really did it. You just, you just made two roster spots to accommodate for the guys who were coming off the practice squad, the taxi squad. So that was really, I think, morally just horrible.

[D]

Well, technically, you have to. You have an illegal roster when those guys are no longer eligible for the practice squad, which they aren't after their rookie season.

[A]

Right, but you didn't expand the rosters.

[D]

I did.

[A]

To help. No. But not to help people with the draft, which is what you implied.

[D]

And that's the other thing, is that the people who are suggesting, you know, just add enough roster spots for people to make their picks. I think at the end of the YOLO season, Dave had eight players on injured reserve and two and two players in a in on his practice squad. And so if I had just added six spots because the YOLO Dynasty league has six spots, he still wouldn't have been able to make a pick without dropping players.

[A]

So much to think about. Okay, well, now.

[B]

And I, by the way, got my emails from Heath and made my rosters legal.

[D]

Thank you. And Dan's in that league. And you know what? Dan dropped all the players he needed to make to drop to make a pick in that league.

[A]

I don't know why he got so mad about this, though.

[E]

I think, I think what we're heading toward, and Adam's not gonna like this because it's going to impact him, but I think what we're heading toward is a new athletic competition between Heath and Dan. Oh, and you guys can play your little tennis game on your own. And we, we figure out now, Heath, do you play tennis? No.

[D]

No.

[E]

Okay, so I played.

[D]

I mean, I've played, but I don't actively.

[E]

So we have to find something that's like common ground for the two of you because basketball, you'll kill him. So.

[A]

Oh, damn. Damn basketball. I'll back him down. I'll back him down all day.

[D]

I think I, I'm strongly considering buying some golf clubs and picking golf back up. And I was. I did play golf in high school and I lived on a golf course for about 10 years and I haven't played for 10 years, but I think with a year of practice, I'd probably be better at golf.

[E]

If we got to get this for

[A]

the summer, that would be that. I wouldn't let it happen. Because if you beat Dan at golf, I think it would kill him. Yeah, it would kill him. And I love him too much to allow.

[B]

How about a field goal kicking competition between Heath and Dan?

[E]

Like Thomas. Thomas would destroy Dan and golf.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And Dan thinks he could beat Thomas. No.

[A]

Dan knows Thomas would beat him.

[E]

No, but there was a while where Dan thought he could beat Thomas and that's just insane.

[A]

I hope not. Yeah.

[B]

Well, anyway, 15 yard field goals.

[A]

Dan's. Dan is. Is something else.

[E]

I think we got to come up with something. Adam's out. It's going to be Dan versus Keith at this point.

[A]

It's fine with me. All right, I will. We will talk about to you. Oh, Tuesday. He's got a three day weekend. Fun stuff. All right, so have a great Memorial Day, everybody, and we'll speak to you on Tuesday with a new edition of fantasy football today. See you.

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