Hunting for UPSIDE! Who Has the Most League-Winning Potential?  (03/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Football Today Episode: Hunting for UPSIDE! Who Has the Most League-Winning Potential?
Release Date: May 27, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Fantasy Football Today hosted by Adam Aizer and featuring analysts Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings, the team dives deep into identifying players with the highest potential to lead fantasy leagues to victory. The discussion centers around evaluating player upside, understanding draft strategies, and analyzing current NFL player performances to provide listeners with actionable insights for their fantasy teams.

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Understanding Player Upside in Fantasy Football

[02:28] Adam Aizer:
Adam opens the discussion by emphasizing the importance of player upside when drafting, stating, "Let's talk about upside because it's not necessarily the be all, end all, but it is very important."

[03:14] Jamey Eisenberg:
Jamey elaborates on this by referencing Dan Schneier's philosophy, highlighting the mindset of building a team geared towards winning the league rather than just making the playoffs. He notes, "We are trying to leave your draft with, if this guy hits, he's going to do this. If this guy hits, he's going to do that."

Key Takeaway:
Focusing on players with high upside can differentiate a fantasy team, offering significant rewards if the players perform beyond expectations.

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Current News and Player Updates

[05:21] Adam Aizer:
Adam shares breaking news about Kirk Cousins potentially being on Pittsburgh's radar if Aaron Rodgers isn't signed. He also updates listeners on Javante Williams' recovery from a severe knee injury, mentioning, "Javante Williams says he feels completely like himself."

[06:47] Dave Richard:
Dave weighs in on Williams' draft prospects, suggesting that if Javante can showcase his pre-injury performance, he could be a valuable sleeper pick, though there's skepticism about drafting him too early due to his injury history.

Notable Quote:
Adam remarks, "We don't really know what the real Javante Williams is," underscoring the uncertainty surrounding his return to form. [07:53]

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Analyzing Wide Receiver Upside

Discussion on Drake London, T. Higgins, and Tyreek Hill:

[16:04] Dave Richard:
Dave asserts, "Tyreek Hill is the most interesting player in fantasy this year," citing his consistent performance and high target potential.

[17:58] Adam Aizer:
Adam provides statistical comparisons between Higgins and London, breaking down their 17-game paces, including catch totals and touchdown numbers.

[20:00] Jamie Eisenberg:
Jamie highlights Higgins' strong quarterback support, stating, "He has the best quarterback of these guys," which could translate to higher performance, but also notes injury concerns.

Key Takeaway:
While Tyreek Hill leads in upside due to his elite status, Higgins and London also present significant potential based on their target volumes and offensive environments.

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Running Back Roundup: James Cook, Chase Brown, Joe Mixon

[22:38] Jamie Eisenberg:
Jamie favors Chase Brown, citing his ascension and performance metrics, such as "18 PPR points per game" in the second half of the previous season.

[24:05] Dave Richard:
Dave supports Chase Brown's upside but also considers Joe Mixon's consistent performance and James Cook's potential, emphasizing the importance of snap percentages and injury management.

Notable Quote:
Jamie states, "Chase Brown is on the ascension and Joe Mixon, I think, takes a little bit of a step back."

Key Takeaway:
Chase Brown emerges as the top contender for upside among the trio, with Joe Mixon and James Cook also offering valuable potential based on their roles and performances.

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Quarterback Analysis: Bo Nix, Caleb Williams, Dak Prescott

[45:04] Jamie Eisenberg:
Jamie positions Bo Nix at the top of the group, appreciating his recent performance and potential within Sean Payton's system.

[47:26] Adam Aizer:
Adam reflects on Dak Prescott's underrated fantasy value, despite league perceptions, noting his consistency with "top four quarterback per game" performances.

[48:11] Dave Richard:
Dave compares Dak's fantasy success to his real-life reputation, suggesting, "He'll go down in history as one of those players that was better for fantasy than for reality."

Key Takeaway:
Bo Nix, Caleb Williams, and Dak Prescott each present unique upside scenarios, with Bo Nix currently favored for his dynamic performance and potential under a new coaching system.

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Wide Receiver Trio: DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, Xavier Worthy

[52:07] Dave Richard:
Dave champions Xavier Worthy for his explosiveness and potential to become a top 10 fantasy receiver, highlighting his synergy with the Chiefs' offense.

[53:50] Jamie Eisenberg:
Jamie agrees, emphasizing Worthy's performance against backups and his role as a primary receiver in the absence of key players like Rashid Rice.

[55:12] Jamie Eisenberg:
Jamie adds, "I have Sutton ranked the highest of this trio," acknowledging Cortland Sutton's reliability while still favoring Worthy for his explosive potential.

Key Takeaway:
Xavier Worthy stands out as the receiver with the highest upside in his group, followed closely by DK Metcalf and Cortland Sutton, each offering different levels of risk and reward.

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Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter and anecdotes from the hosts, emphasizing the camaraderie and fun of the fantasy football community. They encourage listeners to engage through emails and social media for future discussions and insights.

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Notable Moments and Quotes

• Adam Aizer [02:28]: "Hope everybody had a great Memorial Day weekend. Filled with hot dogs and hamburgers."
• Jamey Eisenberg [03:14]: "We're trying to leave your draft with, if this guy hits, he's going to do this."
• Dave Richard [16:04]: "Tyreek Hill is the most interesting player in fantasy this year."
• Adam Aizer [07:53]: "We don't really know what the real Javante Williams is."
• Jamie Eisenberg [22:38]: "Chase Brown is on the ascension and Joe Mixon, I think, takes a little bit of a step back."
• Dave Richard [48:16]: "He'll go down in history as one of those players that was better for fantasy than for reality."

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Conclusion

This episode of Fantasy Football Today provides listeners with a comprehensive analysis of players across various positions, focusing on their potential to elevate fantasy teams to league-winning statuses. By dissecting player performance metrics, injury impacts, and offensive schemes, the hosts equip fantasy enthusiasts with the knowledge needed to make informed drafting and trading decisions.

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For more detailed player outlooks, rankings, and fantasy strategies, visit the CBS Sports Fantasy Football website or follow the podcast on your preferred streaming platform.

Transcript

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[Adam]

This is Fantasy Football today from CBS Sports.

[Jamie]

What a play.

[Dave]

Can you believe this? No, I can't.

[Adam]

It's time to your fantasy league. This is gonna go the distance.

[Dave]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

Did you miss us? Long weekend here as we go from Thursday to Tuesday. This is an extra day, but it felt like we were away for a long time. Hope everybody had a great Memorial Day weekend. Filled with hot dogs and hamburger. What'd you guys eat? Hot dogs and hamburgers.

[Jamie]

Chicken tenders and pizza.

[Adam]

Okay, that's not bad, Dave.

[Dave]

I had a steak on Saturday that was really good.

[Adam]

Does sound good. Okay. I had a cheeseburger yesterday. I will probably make some hot dogs and ribs tonight. Just got postponed today, but anyway, welcome back Today we're going to look at groups of three. We're going to look at three players, for example, Drake, London, T. Higgins, Tyreek Hill. I looked at our most recent draft and took three running backs, wide receivers or quarterbacks who were drafted almost back to back to back. And we're going to talk about who has the most upside. But before we get into that, Jamie is, is that the only thing that matters? You know, what percentage of your evaluation is upside when you're, when you're making a pick, doesn't matter at what point in the draft you are. Let's just talk about upside because it's not necessarily the be all, end all, but it is very important.

[Jamie]

I heard Dan Schneier say this recently and a lot of people draft this way to, you're either going to be first or last, you know, so if you're not with going in with the idea of the team that you're building initially is to only win the league as opposed to get yourself to the playoffs and see what happens. There's just a mindset, I think, of how people approach, you know, going into the season, you know, so like you're building the team with the most upside, you know, so you're, you're trying to leave your draft with, if this guy hits, he's going to do this. If this guy hits, he's going to do that. You know, and, and we have this conversation a lot. I know you feel this way, Adam, like when you're drafting one of these mid round receivers, you talk about this a lot, that you want him to be a top 10 player, for example, Right. Not necessarily just somebody who's going to be drafted as a 20th receiver to finish as a 20th receiver. You're drafting him with the idea of, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but with the idea that he's got top 10 upside, right?

[Adam]

Yeah. Well, look, I don't think you want to draft a player as wide receiver 25 or something if he doesn't have any chance or any realistic chance of being a top 12 receiver. It's not, you know, you at least want to give yourself that chance. They had a home run, right?

[Jamie]

It's, you know, the floor versus the ceiling conversation. So I think with the, with the idea of your roster build, like I always like try have a little bit of a mix, you know, like I'm gonna, you know, clearly 10 trend toward the, the player with the most upside. But in the case of, you know, I saw the list that you sent us There's a couple situations where that player has so much downside that it might outweigh the upside for sure, you know, so Tyree Kill is somebody that I know we're going to discuss, you know, so the upside is clear. We've seen it in two of the three years in Miami, but the third year that he's coming off of was awful. And he's older and, you know, has a lot of, you know, flaws potentially versus what the upside could be. So he's someone, you know when you're debating one of these high end wide receiver twos because that's where he's now living. It's, it's a little bit concerning for someone like him, for example, where the upside is clearly there, but also the downside I think is worse.

[Adam]

Okay, Dave, you want to weigh in or should we just get on with the show?

[Dave]

Let's get on with it.

[Adam]

All right. Some quick news and notes here. According to Jeremy Fowler of espn, Kirk Cousins would be on Pittsburgh's radar if they can't sign Aaron Rodgers. We should know pretty soon about Aaron Rodgers. It still looks like Pittsburgh's a strong possibility.

[Dave]

He's still dropping hints. He mentioned that there's a certain team that plays at Chicago in 2025 that he could sign with and I'm sure he was mentioning the Steelers.

[Adam]

So unless.

[Jamie]

No to New Orleans.

[Adam]

He did say no to New Orleans.

[Dave]

Unless Louisiana.

[Adam]

Unless I'm missing something, the biggest news of the last few days to me is what Javante Williams said because remember, like I said with Chris Godwin. Took Chris Godwin two seasons to get back to normal from his knee injury. Javante tore his ACL, his LCL and something called his Posterior Lateral Corner in 2022. He says he's finally back to feeling fully healthy. He says he could still be a little bit more flexible, but Javante Williams says he feels completely like himself. So as I personally was really excited about the Jaden Blue draft pick, I think Dave, I think Javante, if he's really, if maybe it just took him a long time and he said everybody's recovery is different. This was on cowboys.com he could be a sleeper. Even though he's not going like super late. If he's around 8 pick, he could be a sleeper. I think Javante, if he's healthy, he.

[Dave]

Won'T go in round eight. If there's buzz about him in training camp, he'll be around 5 pick if that happens. But it's, it's got no if. If it looks like he's old school Javante Williams and everybody's excited that this guy could be drafted as a, you know, middle to low end RB2 and ends up being top 15 because you could have is the every touch back in Dallas. You're going to see him rise like a meteor, but he's got to do it. He's got to show up at camp and he's got to look like his old self. It's been a long. He's never averaged even 12 PPR points per game.

[Adam]

Right. So his old self, we got a little bit of a glimpse of it just off top of my head. His rookie year, he was splitting with Melvin Gordon. Right. Then there was the one. Was it Gordon?

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

And then there's one game that Gordon missed and Javante had scored like 20 points or something. He just had an amazing 33. Oh, was it? Yeah, he caught a bunch of passes. It was just fantastic. Second year he was probably like slightly disappointing, but it was only about a month and then he had that horrible knee injury.

[Dave]

So ten and a half ppr points per game.

[Adam]

Yeah, he left one of those games obviously with an injury, but yeah. All right, so we don't really. I don't even know that we know what the, what the real Javante Williams is, I guess is what I'm saying. He had very little opportunity before the knee injury to be a feature back.

[Jamie]

I mean, if, if there's a hope you hope that he's J.K. dobbins. Right. Guy that was completely forgotten, goes to a new team coming off an injury, great opportunity and completely took advantage of it. Clearly had another injury concern as well when we were missed four games. But I think if you approach it the right way, like I don't care what the Cowboys say and even what he looks like in the preseason, if you're drafting him in round five, please do so because that's a huge, huge waste of a pick. If you're taking him in round seven, maybe round seven, like that to me is okay, but like no way around 5.

[Adam]

No, but if he is JK Dobbins. JK Dobbins would have been worth a round 5 pick. I think he was RBC, but he.

[Jamie]

Also doesn't have JK Dobbins resume though. That's a big difference.

[Adam]

No, yeah, I mean round five, but, but like if Javante. Okay, sorry to belabor the point to Dave's point of saying like if Javante Williams is back, he's healthy, he's looking good, there's buzz about him and we go into the season going. This is the starting running back for the Dallas Cowboys. I, I don't know. I mean, is round five really crazy? Because round five is guys like James Conner, Trevion Henderson in our draft.

[Jamie]

But you're talking about guys that have established themselves and done something in the league and don't have this ambiguous situation that's still clouding them. I mean, Jaden Blue could easily be the best running back in Dallas. Look, look, we went into the last season with Rico. Dowdle was the lead running back for the Cowboys on paper, and it didn't take him until the middle of the year to show something like this. This is not the, the old Dallas Cowboys offensive line. This is a new coach. This is, you know, Dak, 32 years old, coming off of a hamstring engine. Like, there's a lot of flaws here. And I know Dave wouldn't say to take him around five. They was saying the ADP could be round five. I, I don't. I don't think anybody's going to advocate for him around five, but it's just like, don't do that.

[Dave]

It's all qualified based on if he is the guy and he looks like, if he looks like Javante Williams when he came into the league. That's when you would say, okay, now I gotta really try hard to get this guy. And yes, I would take James Connor ahead of him, but I, I don't know, like, if that guy exists. If that guy shows up in the middle of the preseason and just the headlines are just like, he's amazing. He looks great. Everybody's saying so. People that go to Dallas camp in California, they see him and they say, he looks like a different dude. People are going to buy into him. And maybe round five, late round five is kind of a reach, but people are going to clamor for running backs. We've talked about it already. Like, when you get to round six, seven in our drafts now in May, like the running backs that are left, they've all got huge question marks. Javante's gonna fall right now if it's a huge if that he ends up being the guy. What's more likely is that he doesn't get those types of reports. He looks okay, Jane. Blue is going to be a threat. They're going to have a committee. And ultimately what's going to happen is this team's going to pass a ton. And we would laugh at the idea of Javante Williams in round seven, much less round five. That's probably what's going to happen.

[Adam]

All right, moving on. Next news item is about Tennessee. Brian Callahan, their head coach. He said that their rookie offensive tackle, JC Latham was overweight at the end of the year and this so so they're moving. I just want to bring this up. They are moving him to right tackle. They are hoping for a much better year from Latham. He played left tackle last year. They signed Dan Moore from Pittsburgh. They're moving him to removing Latham to right tackle and they're also hoping to have Legerious Snead ready for the fall. According to a report, Legerious Sneed was their big ticket free agent signing cornerback from Kansas City. He had, you know, almost irrelevant year last year because he had so many injuries and now he seems to have a chronic knee injury. So at his best legarius need was a lockdown corner. But I don't know if we're going to get that version of him. Dave Burkett of the Sorry if I'm saying that wrong of the Detroit Free Press, he expects the Lions to throw the ball downfield more this season. Any, any written content you guys want to promote? What's coming up on the website from from you fellas?

[Jamie]

So we're in the midst of our player outlooks and getting those all on the site. So when you click on each player page, you can see all the research that we've been doing and we break this up by division, except for Jacob, who's doing all the rookies. So that's going to be a fun assignment for him and I'm sure he's enjoying it. And then what we're doing is we're turning that into some stories so you can just see some of like the, the highlights of the top players and how that research sort of just can be action items when you're doing your draft because a lot of you guys do live drafts and don't have always the opportunity to read all this stuff. And if you can get ahead of it and you have some of that information at your fingertips beforehand, you'll know. Okay, if you're deciding between Javante Williams and let's say, Jalen Warren or you know, one of these type of players that you know you're going to be in a similar range, you already say, okay, I read about this in June as opposed to, oh my God, I'm on the clock with 30 seconds left and I got to make a decision. We're trying to make that as easy for you guys as possible.

[Dave]

Right? So that's one thing. Sleepers, breakouts and busts have been on the site for Jamie and Heath for a week or two now. And so this week I'm gonna add mine and we've started to put together a few fan mock drafts. It's been fun. I think an ADP review of our early fan mock drafts is in order. Let's see how you guys have been drafting in May.

[Adam]

Yeah, right. I participated in an only fans draft on Friday. It was a lot of fun. And yes, thank you from Mile High. Luke Snead was traded. I said he was a free agent. He was traded to the Tennessee Titans. All right, we're going to start our upside conversation in just a moment. We'll be back after this quick break to say to talk about upside for Drake, London T. Higgins, Tyreek Hill. Who has the most upside? Is this an easy answer? Is it easily Tyreek Hill? We'll talk about it after this. Hey everyone, I want to talk about something really important. Life insurance and ethos.com FFT is the place to go to get affordable life insurance. When I became a father, it made me pause and think if something happened to me, would my family be okay? Would they be financially prepared to handle everything from mortgage payments to everyday bills? This weighed on me. I need affordable life insurance and you can get that through Ethos and I love that. Ethos makes it simple. No medical exam required. You just answer a few health questions online. I got an instant rate and it took less than 10 minutes to get my free quote. It's all 100% online and you can even get same day coverage. Life insurance helps provide that financial cushion so your family can keep up with mortgage payments, college tuition, whatever life throws at them. And with Ethos, it's way more affordable than I thought. Some policies start at just $2 a day, but build monthly. Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get your free [e-mail] FFT that's ethos.com FFT this episode is brought to you by Amazon Prime. From streaming to shopping, prime helps you get more out of your passions. So whether you're a fan of true.

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[Jamie]

That was. You know, you don't want to lose at home, but yeah, how about Your next.

[Adam]

No, we'll talk about it. If there's something to talk about tomorrow, we can, we can address that. But we still have a long way to go. All right, who has the most upside here? Drake, London, T. Higgins, Tyreek Hill. Is this an easy one, guys? Is it easily Tyree Kill?

[Dave]

Yeah, I think so. We, we've seen it in 2022 and 2023. 20 plus PPR points per game, double digit targets with two a tongue of ILOA. That's the, that's the recipe. I don't know if I'm not drafting it this way. I'm going to take draft Drake London before Tyree Kill on draft day. But he's the one that's got the best chance at 20 plus because we've seen it and we know that he could do it again if his wrist is healthy, he's healthy. Two is healthy. The Dolphins throw the ball more than three yards downfield, etc. Etc.

[Adam]

Who has the second most upside, London or Higgins behind Tyree Kill?

[Jamie]

Higgins.

[Dave]

I mean I'll make the case for London, but I think it's close.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm drafting London first but again we're talking upside like Jamar Chase gets hurt.

[Adam]

Well, no, let's do a non injury upside.

[Jamie]

Oh, non injuries. I still think Higgins, I mean he showed you that now in that what, three touchdown game.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

He has the best quarterback of these guys. So with a defense that probably is going to stink again. And if he stays health, his health, because that's been an issue for him. I think it's a little bit better than Drake London's upside.

[Dave]

I mean he scored two more PPR points per game than London last year. So we saw it last year that Higgins hit his upside. He did it on 9.1 targets per game. He scored a ton of touchdowns.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

If we can bank on him doing that again, then maybe the right move is to get T. Higgins because you're right about the quarterback, you're right about the offense. But I, I worry about what T. Higgins is. Injuries aside, if he doesn't get massive touchdown production. And Drake London could always get massive touchdown production if Penix is that dude.

[Adam]

So let me give you their 17 game paces. For Higgins it was 103 catches. For London. If you remove week nine, he had 19% of the snaps, played 90% of the snaps. So we're going to look at Higgins 17 game pace. He played 12 games. We're going to look at London. I honestly don't remember. I don't think so. But maybe for London we're going to look at his 17 game pace just removing week nine. So for Higgins it's 103 catches. For London it's 104 catches. For Higgins, it's 1,291 yards for London. For Higgins, Higgins, 1291 yards. I don't know what I said for London, 30 more yards, 1321. We are almost identical in catches and yards targets. 166 for London, 154 for Higgins. Touchdowns 14 for Higgins, nine for London. That was their 17 game pace. So I, you know, if you think touchdowns are unpredictable. Now obviously you think Joe Burrow is going to throw a lot more touchdowns than Pennix. But I'll give you one reason to believe in London's touchdowns going up. Actually nine is a lot. By the way, the, the, The Falcons were 31st in Green Zone pass attempts. Only the Saints had fewer pass attempts from the 10 yard line or closer. They had the lowest pass rate in football. The Falcons had a lower pass rate inside the 10 yard line than the Eagles than every team in football. So London was a guy who had the highest percentage of his team's targets from that distance. But they barely threw it from near the end zone. So that's an upside case for London. And Higgins obviously had never done anything like what we saw last year, for what that's worth. And he's been with Joe Burrow for his whole career. That's a tough one though. But you guys, you rank London higher than Higgins. Upside. I think it's debatable, but it seems like you think Higgins has a little more upside.

[Jamie]

Well, again, you know, I know you don't want to discuss health, but I think it applies for both these guys. Guys, because you saw the one game that Pennix played with London without mooney in week 18.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And he was an absolute monster with 40 PPR points. And Higgins, we. I don't think I've seen a, a significant stretch of him, maybe even ever of no Jamar Chase and, and Higgins with a healthy Joe Burrow because you know, Burrow's been so banged up.

[Adam]

So have Jamie actually with.

[Jamie]

With Burrow at 100.

[Adam]

I mean 100. I don't know. But, but it's been pretty good. It's been like, I mean when, when.

[Jamie]

Chase had the hip injury.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. I can look it up for you because I just remember giving this stack going into last year. Let's see. I'm sorry, I got it.

[Dave]

If you don't.

[Adam]

Is he good with Jamar Chase? Oh, four games in 2022 without Jamar Chase. 13.9, 13.0, 23.8, 24.4, eight or more targets. And three, he very good. I mean like, like top, like, like 18 plus point potential without question.

[Jamie]

Right. So. Okay, so I think it's fair both ways because if they lose their running mate, you know, things clearly improve. I would still probably lean toward Higgins improving a little bit better than, than Mooney because that was a Week 18 game that really didn't matter. In any event, I, I just look at it this way. Like if you say everything is perfect for these guys, Higgins upside is a little bit better. And, and I think you illustrated it perfectly. Like it's, it's so minimal that it's, it's really not worth the debate. So if you're going to take the floor, to me, the floor is safer for London.

[Adam]

Sure. All right. And I'm going to say that Tyreek Hill is the most. Yeah, he's the most interesting player in fantasy this year. I just, I don't know that you can find a guy that can be the number. The number. Well, not as late he's not. McCaffrey is going to go around and a half before Hill. I don't know when Hill's going to go. I know where he goes in our drafts. He might be a mid round two pick in adp. I don't know how people are going to feel about him, but would you.

[Dave]

Like to know how they feel about him through four mock?

[Adam]

Yeah, I would.

[Dave]

I mean, that's the whole reason why we're doing the, the fan mock. Right?

[Adam]

The only fans mock. Yeah, for sure.

[Dave]

He's around 4 pick round 4.38.5.

[Jamie]

Yeah, there's no chance that happens. This the highest.

[Dave]

He's on his 24th overall two straight.

[Adam]

Seasons with 1700 or more yards. He almost had 1800 yards in 2023, I think. Unbelievable. I mean. All right, we, we could spend a whole show on him. Let's go to our next one here. Top three or these three players. Who has the most upside? James Cook, Chase Brown, Joe Mixon, James Cook, Chase Brown, Joe Mixon. All of them drafted in round three of our most recent mock draft, the CBS mock draft. Not the ones with the fans. Who has the most upside? Jamie?

[Jamie]

Chase Brown.

[Adam]

Dave.

[Dave]

It's close between Brown and mixing, but I think the case is a little bit easier to make for Brown than mixing.

[Adam]

All right, so you guys are saying Chase Brown, is he your favorite in that group?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yo, I feel like mixing Might be just a little underrated. He's going kind of late in round three. In most of our drafts, he played 18 of the snaps in week 18. So if you take that out, you're looking at his pace was 314 carries, 46 catches, and basically 1700 total yards and 15 touchdowns. Joe Mixon was a freaking beast last year. So why do you think Chase Brown has the most upside?

[Jamie]

I mean, for me it's age. It's, you know, offensive line. I think. I hope it didn't take a step back for the Texans, but it's hard not to say that it did when they lose their best offensive lineman. Stone is prime and I think from what we saw from Chase Brown in the second half of the season, really the, you know, beginning part of the first half or ending part of the first half of the season, but really the majority of the. The stretch run is hopefully going to carry over to this year. And so again, it's like the, the Higgins vs. London conversation in terms of upside, because I think it's going to be relatively close. But I think Chase Brown is on the ascension and Joe Mixon, I think, takes a little bit of step back.

[Dave]

Easy to think that just because of age. Jamie mentioned it. From Week 6 on, Chase Brown had 18 PPR points per game. He played 80% of the snaps in a huge chunk of those games. I am hoping that he continues to play 80% of the snaps this year. I don't know if Zach Moss and Samaji P. Ryan are gonna just take a lot of work away from him. I'd be Taj Brooks.

[Jamie]

Brooks, sorry.

[Dave]

Yeah. I mean, if they do, I'd be surprised if they try and narrow it down to like 65% and that would open the door for mixing if he stays healthy to do better on a per game basis than Brown. But I'm, I'm gonna bank on offense here. I'm gonna bank on what we saw from Brown last year. I think he's got the most upside. I think he's a sneaky candidate to get to 20 PPR points too.

[Adam]

Who do you think has more? Because I think these guys could have similar ADPs. Although personally I suspect Tyree Kill will have a round two ADP when it's all said and done. But as of now, I see them going similarly. Who do you think has more league winning potential? Chase Brown or Tyreek Hill?

[Jamie]

If we're just talking about potential, it's Tyree Kill.

[Dave]

Yeah, but it's close.

[Adam]

All right, so you said Chase Brown was regularly playing more than 80% of the snaps down the stretch. You know, James Cook has played more than two thirds of the snaps one time in his entire career. He's never played more than 75% of the snaps. Last year, I don't think he ever played more than 62% of the snaps. That is week one and he never reached that height again. Is there any case that Joe. That James Cook has more upside than Joe Mixon and Chase Brown?

[Jamie]

It's hard to expect more touchdowns for him this year. So, you know, that might have been what we see, maybe the best of his career, but I hope he can come close to it and maybe match it. But you know, what Josh Allen does when they get down there, and that's not going to change, I don't think dramatically. I think they'll give Ray Davis a little bit more work. You know, Ty Johnson's back, so I'll have a little bit of a role in the passing game as well. So he doesn't catch the ball to the same level as. As I think either of these two guys right now he could, but I just don't think he will. And those things are just hard to replicate. Then you have the contract situation that's hanging over, you know, all of us right now, specifically him in the Bills. And so we have to see how this, you know, plays itself out. There's going to be a lot of interesting discussions over the next few months, I think, you know, with guys that are either going to be, in the case of Cook, probably training camp headache, Terry McLaurin skipped, you know, the commanders OTAs, you know, so we'll see if there's, you know, an issue at play there. There's going to be a few of these. So Cook, while now being drafted, still in the range of these guys. I think he's going to be the one that slips the most.

[Adam]

All right, I got this. I'm gonna throw this up here. Thomas James Cook. Let me zoom in, huh? That help? Zoom. Where are you? Zoom.

[Jamie]

There we go. Why don't you check your notifications every now and then?

[Adam]

What do you mean? Oh, James Cook is only the second running back in the last eight seasons to lead the position in rushing touchdowns and Finish lower than RB5 per game in PPR. Cook was RB11 per game. The only other running back that's done that in the last eight years lead the. Lead the position in rushing touchdowns and not be a top five running back per game was Jamal Williams in 2022. It's just crazy to think that James Cook scored 18 total touchdowns and was RB11 per game. You know, kind of weird.

[Jamie]

That was more than Gibbs.

[Adam]

No, he was tied, I think, with Gibbs and Henry as the Most rushing touchdowns. Sixteen rushing touchdowns, 18 total touchdowns. All right, next up next group, who has the most upside between these wide receivers that you're going to start seeing go toward the 3, 4 turn in the 12 team league? Marvin Harrison, Jr. Terry McLaurin, Garrett Wilson.

[Dave]

I'll say Garrett Wilson nervously.

[Jamie]

I would agree.

[Adam]

Marvin Harrison Jr. Terry McClure and Garrett Wilson. Are you. I'm surprised you guys are saying Garrett Wilson. I think I would have said Harrison there. Why would you. Why you say Garrett? Garrett Wilson?

[Dave]

Well, let's just. Talent wise, he's the best of the three. It's based on target volume.

[Adam]

Wait a second. Wait. Garrett Wilson, talent wise, is the best of the three?

[Dave]

I think he's the best of the three than McLaurin and Harrison. There's nothing that you can say about Marvin Harrison that would suggest that he's better talent wise than Garrett Wilson.

[Adam]

Nothing that we've seen after what we.

[Dave]

Just saw last year. Zero.

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay. I'm not like this is a devil's advocate argument. Like, Marvin Harrison was the number, what, four pick in the draft. He was the best wide receiver prospect in so long. I know he had a bad rookie season, but Garrett Wilson, look, he thought.

[Dave]

It was miserable for me.

[Adam]

He's had a stat on Garrett Wilson about his, like, yards per target, basically because he's had three seasons of 140 or more targets and he hasn't turned it into really anything. I mean, he's never been a top 24 wide receiver. Right. Am I right about that? I'm pretty sure I'm right about that.

[Dave]

Sure. But how many times was McLaurin a top 24 receiver before he scored 13 touchdowns last year per game?

[Adam]

Zero times.

[Dave]

Right. And so. And Marvin Harrison, he's got one year in the league. We know that he's put on muscle this off season. I don't think he's doing that to get faster. I think he's doing that to win more contested catches and to break more tackles. And those are things that are going to help him be a better fantasy receiver. I just don't think he's got that same type of upside that Garrett Wilson does. He's going back to being the number one target getter in the jets offense. I do think the jets are going to run a lot. I don't think this offense is going to be particularly awesome. But he's, he's got familiarity of Justin Fields. I went back and I looked at this. Like Fields catchable target rate to his receivers, like the big time receivers was pretty high. Bickens last year, pretty high. DJ Moore 2 years ago, really high. And so if Garrett Wilson can put it all together and he can be a very good yak receiver, we're talking about a guy who can outperform both McLaurin and Marvin Harrison, especially in non PPR. But definitely an half and full too.

[Adam]

So I don't really care all that much about these rate stats that I throw out, like maybe yards per out run. But I, I do think it's important to illustrate. This is amazing. I didn't know this until just now. I was wrong about Garrett Wilson, by the way. He was wide receiver 19 per game last year in PPR, 25th in non PPR. Garrett Wilson averaged 7.2 yards per target last year. His career high is 7.6 7.5 yards per target. Marvin Harrison Jr. Averaged 7.6 yards per target last year as a rookie. So it's better than anything, slightly, slightly better than anything we've seen from Garrett Wilson. I do think Garrett Wilson is better than his numbers, but it is worth pointing out in three seasons his numbers kind of suck. His yards per target is really, really bad for the amount of targets he's gotten bad for. Like bad for a guy who was a first round pick that we have high expectations for. He makes very few explosive plays thus far in his career. I think it's quarterback related, but I do want to point that out that he's been a very underwhelming player statistically, Garrett Wilson so far.

[Jamie]

And that's true. I mean I, I think that the things that you have to hope for here are, you know, you said a lot of it is quarterback related and that still may be the case this year if he struggles. Because Justin Fields, you know, in the, in the small sample size that we have of him with a, you know, I don't. What do you, what would you say? He's played with two receivers that are close to top tier. I don't know if they're even in the top tier yet. You know, DJ Moore has kind of hovered around that range and George Pickens I don't think is, you know, worth putting in that, you know, tier yet. So the one full season he had with DJ Moore, Moore was, was pretty special. Now you could say, you know, the, the couple games that he missed there and you know, how much is, is that offense and how it relates to Justin Fields going to carry over to this offense. You know, today's point, they're probably going to run a lot. But you look at the competition for targets, this is what separates it for me is McLaurin got some additional players to have to deal with. You know, one specifically in, in Debo Samuel. If he's healthy, he's going to take targets away by comparison, more so than the other guys did in Washington last year. And Marvin Harrison still has to contend with Trey McBride, who's gonna still most likely, in my opinion be the number one target getter for the Cardinals. So Wilson had what, 190 targets last year?

[Adam]

Something insane like no, Wilson. No, he had 154. I think he was on pace.

[Jamie]

He's on pace for like 190.

[Adam]

He was on pace. He was on pace for 190 before Devonte Adams. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

So I, I would think that the, the targets even in a run centric offense are still going to favor Garrett Wilson in this case. And I would think personally that Justin Fields will do enough for him, similar to what he was doing with Rogers before Adams last year, similar to what we've seen from him at least in his rookie campaign when he had the terrible quarterback situation, it was like four or five guys there for the jets that this could be his best situation, you know, factoring in that six game stretch that he had with, with Rogers last year. So it's a great conversation with all these guys because McLaurin's got the best quarterback and looked finally like the guy we've been waiting for all season, all his career last year. And Harrison I still think has plenty of upside, but to me it's Wilson by just a smidge.

[Dave]

Okay, and remember what you said to start the conversation, Adam. These are receivers that are going where.

[Adam]

Three, four, turnish, right?

[Dave]

So we're not talking about any one of these guys being drafted as like a top 15 receiver. We've made that mistake with Wilson and Harrison very recently. This is more about. You're shopping for a wide receiver too. You've already made at least a couple of picks and these are the names that you're going to be looking at and you're going to think about which one is, is going to be able to over deliver based on value. And I think the guy that's gonna hog targets and still has a chance to make a lot of plays after the catch is the one that you, you turn to. And it's close between McLaurin and Wilson when you think about it that way. But McLaurin, I. I don't want to buy into, like, crazy touchdown production again, A, because of Debo being there, but B, because it's the only time he's done it. And it was like a third of his percentage of fantasy points last year came on touchdowns. His catches and yardage weren't that far off from what he'd been doing over the course of his career.

[Adam]

No. Yeah, it was mostly touchdowns. Heath had this tweet that Garrett Wilson and Deontay Johnson are the only two receivers who have seen at least 400 targets in their first three seasons and average less than 7 yards per target. And that's per stat head. All right, so we got to take a break. But before we do that, Thomas, up to you if you want to. Come on. You actually picked Marvin Harrison Jr. In our most recent draft before Garrett Wilson and Terry McLaurin. So you had the first pick of round four, 37th overall. You took Marvin Harrison Jr. You could have taken McLaurin or Garrett Wilson or DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, for what it's worth. Why did you go with Harrison? I've been burned by Garrett Wilson the last two years, so I. I figure I'm buying low with Marvin Harrison Jr. Everybody had him. Well, at least we did. We had him as a late round one pick last year, so I feel like that's good value if he's actually what his draft capital was. So that's why I went with that. But it was between Harrison and Garrett Wilson.

[Dave]

Who do you think went first in? Who's first in our ADP of the fan MOX?

[Adam]

McLaurin. Yeah.

[Jamie]

If Tyreek is going around 4, I'd.

[Dave]

Say I'll tell you after the break.

[Adam]

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All right. Oh, Dave, what's the answer?

[Dave]

It is Adam Aer forearms close between Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. Garrett Wilson 37.8 is his ADP, Marvin Harrison Jr. 38.0 and then Terry McLaren's at 40.5. So they're all in that same range of early round four. And it's kind of pick your, pick your favorite flavor. The other thing I'll add is that I don't think there's. I think anything can come out about Garrett Wilson this preseason that will not make his value go up. There could be stuff about Marvin Harrison that comes out from Cardinals camp that could get people excited.

[Adam]

Yeah, right. So we're talking about ADP there, but we have to obviously not fall into the trap of getting too excited from training camp.

[Dave]

And when I talk about things like that, we hear from camp. I'm not talking about Coach speaker as much as I am like reporters saying, wow, this guy actually looks a lot different.

[Adam]

Sure. All right, let's talk about some running backs and who has the most upside in this trio of running backs. Alvin Camara, kind of an easy. Similar to Tyreek Hill, I suppose. Right. I mean he's shown it very recently. He showed it last year in ppr.

[Dave]

Yeah. He didn't suck last year.

[Adam]

Yeah. Alvin Camara, Omarion Hampton and James Connor. Who has the most upside? Alvin Camara, Chargers rookie running back OMarion Hampton or 30 year old James Conner?

[Dave]

Camara. Yep, Camara and PPR.

[Adam]

See, Camara is going to be 30 in July. So two 30 year olds and a rookie and we're going with Alvin Camara with the most upside here. What if I change it to half ppr? Who has the most upside still?

[Jamie]

Camaro?

[Dave]

I think so. I think so.

[Adam]

Okay. James Conner Left, I think two games with an injury. Played less than 30% of the snaps in Week 6 and 17. If you look at his healthy games. Sorry, I keep doing that. Today you're talking about an easy top 12 running back last year. James Conner maybe closer to like RB10 per game and on pace for. In his healthy games. James Conner was on pace for 1765 total yards, 50 catches and 11 total touchdowns. And he was amazing in the Fantasy playoffs. Scored 22.2 or more PPR fantasy points in all three games. So James Connor really hasn't slowed down. But Camara, of course, I mean, what Was he number? RB was Camaro last year it was RB5 per game in full PPR. Do you still see the same upside for Camara or is it worse because of the situation, the quarterback situation?

[Jamie]

I think it's slightly worse. You know, we didn't have a lot of Derek Carr for stretches of last season, so you got to keep that in mind. And I think the coaching is going to be better, you know, with Kellen Moore as the play caller. So I, I think that's a plus for Camara. But you look again at what this team is around him, he's still their best player. You know, we're waiting for Chris Olave, you know, Rashid Shahid I don't think is going to be their best playmaker. And you have, you know, quarterback situation that's, that's clearly going to be, you know, troubling. So if you're just looking at a team and environment, he's in the worst situation of these guys. But that really hasn't mattered for him. I mean, you, you just gave the stat last year in terms of their green zone, you know, production and he still was very good in his role, which I don't think is going to change. Like you pencil him in for 60 plus catches if he's healthy for 13 plus games. He's done, you know, that basically his entire career. And so he's got 80 catch potential. And I, I think whether it's Spencer Rattler who apparently look good, or Tyler Shuck who's probably going to be the starter for the majority of the games, at least I would hope, if this is the group they're going with, then they're going to rely on him so much, you know, and if he can somehow find his way to eight plus touchdowns, then he's got a chance to really shatter what is probably going to be a reasonable ADP for him. I don't want to say it's going to be great value because he's still going to be a top four round pick. But you know, if he can get to 13 plus games like he played last year. We had played 14 games last year, missed the final three. So he wasn't there for you in the fantasy playoffs. Age is obviously a concern because he's 30, situation's awful. But again, those catches count and in this format he's still going to be better than these two guys. He may have more catches than these two combined.

[Adam]

It's funny. Yeah. All right.

[Dave]

Are you Interested in the track record of running backs with Kellen Moore?

[Adam]

Sure.

[Dave]

Well, you know what Saquon did last year and I think he's an outlier. 23.6 PPR points per game. The year before was Eckler 5.3 targets per game, 16.4 PPR points per game. 2022 Dallas. Zeke was at 16.5. He barely had any targets. Pollard was there too. He averaged 14.5. Pollard averaged 3.4 targets per game. There were definitely some weeks where Zeke was out and Pollard played more and vice versa the three season. At least 16.7 PPR points per game. Bottom line is we're seeing a lot of good numbers for running backs under Kellen Moore, both. Both in terms of PPR points per game and targets per game. And I think that that's absolutely going to continue on with Camara. Plus if they stink like he's, he's going to go to check down city all the time and that's just going to boost his number in full ppr. It's easier to bet on that older running back compared to Connor and I. I took a look at this this morning. Adam and I shared it with you. Can you name the last running back who was a Rookie who averaged 15 points per game with Greg Roman or Jim Harbaugh?

[Adam]

No. I mean that's kind of tough. But Frank Gore.

[Dave]

It's tough because it's never happened.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And no rookie running back has even had 12 points per game with Harbaugh and Roman. Now they've never had a first round running back.

[Adam]

Yeah. I mean I don't know that a rookie wide receiverhood. In fact, I almost guarantee you a rookie wide receiver had never done as well as lad McConkey under Greg.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's entirely possible too.

[Adam]

Yeah. I mean maybe Sammy Walker, I think. I think Sammy Watkins pause for a.

[Dave]

Second on Hampton because if. If they're going to treat him with kid gloves or bring them along slowly and they absolutely can do that. They've got Naji already on the team. They might have Dobbins too. That would make me just a little bit worried about Hampton getting off to a great start to begin the year. And it certainly would worry me about Hampton having like. Yeah, a rookie of the year type season where he's getting 18 PPR points per game. Something sick like that.

[Adam]

I mean, going into last year, Greg Roman had been an offensive coordinator for 10 seasons and he had produced one top 12 wide receiver on a per game basis. And it was Sammy watkins and then McConkey I think he just missed. He was. Oh no, he was 20th on a, on a per game basis. So I guess this doesn't really help me get a really good year though. 14.9 PPR fantasy points.

[Dave]

He had a great second half of the year. Yeah, his first half wasn't so good. Yeah, something like that could happen to Hampton.

[Adam]

All right, next up, let's get some quarterbacks in. Who has the most upside? Bo Nix, Caleb Williams or Dak Prescott? We talked about last week, but this is where Dak has finished in the last six seasons on a per game basis. In six point per passing touchdown leagues, Dak has been on a per game basis again. QB 4, 4, 7, 92 and 21 last year. So who has the most upside? Bo Nix, Caleb Williams or Dak Prescott? Jamie.

[Jamie]

It's so tough. These are actually back to, back to back in my rankings. I just moved next ahead of Prescott. So I'm gonna say Knicks, but this is seven, eight, nine for me and just love the potential for all three of these guys. I mean, Williams, if he hits, could be an absolute monster based on everything that's going on around him. Nick's gave you such a good glimpse of what he could be and you know, adding another weapon. Plus another year, you know, in Sean Payton's system, which is the biggest part of this is his coach. And you mentioned Dax track record. You know, the fact that he's 32 and coming off a pretty significant injury is a little troubling, but, you know, got a pretty nice weapon this off season as well with a terrible run game most likely around him. So I, I lean Nick slightly, but again, they're all in a very similar range for me, Dave.

[Dave]

I'll say that.

[Adam]

You'll say that. I just want to give you a stat on Bo Nicks real quick. Got off to a slow start his last 13 games though. He was actually the number five quarterback per game. Bo Nixon, insane.

[Dave]

He was awesome. Do you think he runs as much?

[Adam]

The pace in that stretch was 418 rushing yards. I don't think he'll get quite there, but I don't. That's not outlandish, right? I mean, it's not, you know, it's.

[Dave]

In his profile, no question. But I wonder if like Dallas didn't have a run game last year. So I, I think Nick's kind of picked up the slack a little bit there.

[Adam]

Denver. Denver.

[Dave]

If, if Harvey. Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. If Harvey ends up being really good, then I think that could obviously take both pass Attempts and rush attempts away from Bo Nicks. I've got Knicks ranked the highest of the three. I'm taking him before Dak Prescott because I know what the floor is for Dak Prescott. And we might be. We might have seen it last year and you know, sorry, Cowboys fans, we might see it again this year. But the track record before last year was awesome. Adam, you lay it out perfectly every time. The run game, humongous question mark. The defense, there are a lot of defenders on that Dallas team coming back from injury. We do not know when they'll be back or how good they'll be. And he's got a great trio in Lamb, Pickens and Ferguson. I think he's going to be a busy dude. I think Dak Prescott, if he stays healthy, is going to throw a lot and I think he can get close to that 24 point per game mark. And I think Knicks in his second season could see a step back. We see that from quarterbacks a lot.

[Adam]

I was thinking about this with Dak Prescott, you know, for a guy who has been a top four quarterback per game and top three of the last six seasons and top seven per game or eight per game, whatever it was, in five of the last six seasons. Now, I don't think the general football fan thinks about fantasy finish, but obviously fantasy finish equates to success. He's never regarded as that kind of a quarterback. You know, it's like, how did he do it? It's not like he runs that much. How. Dak Prescott's had kind of an underrated career, but I never really think of him as like an upper echelon quarterback, even though he's been unbelievable for fantasy. Just a thought of mine.

[Dave]

He'll go down in history as one of those players that was better for fantasy than for reality.

[Jamie]

It's almost like the guy that. That preceded him. Same thing.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, I feel like people were. I feel like Romo got a little bit more respect than, than Dak. Maybe his teams were better. No, Dax team has been pretty good too.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think, I think unfortunately for Dak, he's kind of living off of the, the Romo regime. You know, the. The fact that they haven't had playoff success has carried over to Dak as well. And he's just kind of like they're stuck in this purgatory of, you know, having some of these great regular seasons and then never being able to finish it. And they watch the Giants win two Super Bowls and the Eagles make it to one or, excuse me, win two, you know, and make it to three. And, you know, it's, it's got to be frustrating for Cowboys fans. The thing about Dak is, like, you know, if, if he stays healthy, I think you pencil him in for a top 10 season, you know, just based on how he's performed and, and what he's looking at. You know, the, the concern would be is that, you know, his age and the injury that he's coming off of, and maybe some of these younger, younger quarterbacks, you know, are better or some of the running quarterbacks, you know, like Fields and maybe Kyler and potentially even Anthony Richardson. You know, these guys seem like they have more upside than Dak, but again, you look at what he's done and, you know, you even go back to the 2023 season when it was really him just relying on one guy and one guy having that monster campaign in CD Lamb. And now he's got two really good wide receivers, one's proven and elite, one could get to a higher level if his head's on right, and, and getting the opportunities and targets, as we saw even last year with Russell Wilson. George Pickens was really good during those first six games. So there's a lot to like about Dak Prescott's scenario, which is why I think he should be drafted as a number one quarterback. But I think the one thing with this position in particular, you know, to go back to your question, to start the show, this is the easiest position to shoot for upside, you know, so when you look at the, the top six guys, you know, we'll throw my homes still in that group, you know, so Lamar, Josh, Allen, Daniels, Hertz, Burrow, Mahomes, whatever order you have them. And I think those six are going to be the first six quarterbacks. Then I think it comes down to, like, what are you looking for in terms of who can hit to the highest level? You know, so the next group, again, whatever order, it's these three guys. It's Baker, it's Kyler, it's Fields, it's. I, I think you throw Richton in there, you throw Drake Maine there, throw Trevor Lawrence in there. You know, there's a lot, a lot of ways you can go with this. I'm sure I'm missing a guy or two. And if you miss on them, then you have guys that are still really good, but they just may not have the same upside. And Jared Goff and Brock Purdy and Tua and guys that have, you know, hit to 19, 20, 20, 122 points. You know, that may not have that extra gear and they might, you know, they might get there. You know, golf could easily go to 25. You know, Tua can easily get to 25 point per game season. But they're just such easy fallback options that you can pair one of these high upside players. I mean, Caleb Williams was awful last year and we're all, I don't want to say everybody, but you know, the, the industry for the most part is, you know, breakout quarterback. Breakout quarterback. Breakout quarterback. You know, he falls in that category in that bucket and it's, it's understandable why, but it's easy just to take swings at this position and then, yeah, still get a good second quarterback and you're fine.

[Adam]

So Dave said, dak Prescott. So it was Caleb Williams, Bonix. Dak Prescott. Dave said Dak. Sorry, I'm Jamie. Who'd you say next? Okay, I think I'd probably go. Caleb.

[Jamie]

Yeah. And, and again, make strong cases for all three.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right, let's get to our last one here. This one, man, I like pull my hair out. I just have no idea. Three wide receivers. DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton and Xavier Worthy. Who has the most upside? DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, Xavier Worthy. They all went around the four or five turn in our most recent draft. So again, it's Metcalf, Sutton Worthy, Dave. Who has the most upside?

[Dave]

Xavier Worthy has the most upside. He's, he's the most explosive of the three. He's got the best quarterback of the three. He's on a team that wants to be more explosive. He's shown us what he can do when he is explosive. That was over a six game stretch toward the end of the year. And he's, he's got the best shot of any of these three to finish as a top 10 fantasy receiver.

[Adam]

Okay. Xavier Worthy over Metcalf and Sutton. Jamie, how about you?

[Jamie]

Well, I agree wholeheartedly. I think everything Dave said is, is 100 accurate. And again, I know we're not factoring in injury here, but we do have his running mate coming off of a pretty significant injury. And so if Rashi Rice is not ready to go week one, you saw what Worthy was to finish the season, you know, super bowl included, which, you know, a lot of people will say, okay, he did a lot of his, he had a lot of, couple of his big plays against backups. I don't care. You know, he still looked the part. He's, he could easily be, you Know the, the best receiver for the Chiefs right now. And I think Sutton has hit his ceiling the last two years, which is pretty good and I think he'd do it again. And Metcalf. Look, we don't know what the quarterback situation is going to be for the Steelers. We have an idea of what we think is going to happen. But he could be awful.

[Adam]

Give him Aaron Rodgers for the sake of this argument.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but it's still a 41 year old Aaron Rodgers and that was good at times for his number one receiver last year. But is it going to be Garrett Wilson good or is it going to be Devonte Adams good?

[Adam]

No. Well, it would be. So that's a tough thing because I see more upside for Metcalf than I think you guys do. Because Aaron Rodgers fixates on his number one receiver. Yeah, but the problem is the jets were one of the most pass heavy teams in football last year. So when you look at Devonte, you look at Garrett Wilson on pace for 190 targets in six games before the Adams trade. You look at Adams on pace for one. This is amazing. Adams on pace for 176 targets in 11 games with Aaron Rodgers. And that was with Rogers throwing a lot, but not a ton. Like 33.4 pass attempts per game. That's amazing with Garrett Wilson on the field. Now I don't think Rogers will throw 33.4 passes per game with Arthur Smith if he is on the Steelers. Right. But I still think like there's 145, 150 target potential for DK Metcalf if Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. I, maybe people think I'm, I'm too high. I don't know. But I don't think Xavier Worthy has that target potential if Rashi Rice is, is playing a full season. Sutton I do think has that, but that would be the very high end of it. Sutton Last 10 games for Sutton, he was the number 10 wide receiver per game and on pace for 150 targets. So that's what you got to hope for there. But, but I, I don't know. I see like I just look at the way he peppers these guys with targets. Aaron Rodgers and, and Metcalf is the only guy that would justify that. He is, he stands alone in that receiving core. So I see a little more upside. I think that most people do there, but I do think Worthy's the answer here. I agree with you guys. He's just so.

[Jamie]

I have, I have Sutton ranked the highest of this trio, but I would go upside as worthy one METCALF two and those guys are close. And Sutton third. Because I do think that Sutton's ceiling has again, somewhat been reached. But you are talking about a nine touchdown average in two years with Sean Payton and that's hard to overlook. And you know, Peyton's track record with his number one receiver is pretty good as well, you know, so even with the addition of Evan Ingram, I think Sutton's still going to get pepper with targets. I think this is a great, you know, trio to, to discuss here because again, if Metcalf does get the Rogers treatment, then he could be fantastic. And he's never really been in that situation because he's always had somebody to sort of, you know, be, be a little bit of an anchor on the other side. He doesn't have that right now. I don't think they're done with the receiving core. I think we're going to see, you know, somebody else added in some capacity because they've been trying for the last couple of years. They landed their guy in, in Metcalf. I think the, the Pickens trade was opening the door to maybe bring in somebody else. You've heard some, you know, Keenan Allen is waiting for Rogers to maybe sign there to, to potentially join the Steelers. So we'll see. But I, I do think that there's, there's a lot to love about Metcalf situation, clearly.

[Dave]

Would you like to know what the fans ADP is on those three receivers?

[Adam]

I would love it.

[Dave]

And I will tell you after the break.

[Adam]

We've already done our breaks.

[Dave]

And we're back.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

DK Metcalf leads very slim over Xavier Worthy. 51.3 for Metcalf, 51.5 for Worthy. How about, how about Cortland Sutton at 59.8?

[Adam]

Wow. I love that.

[Jamie]

That's a steal.

[Dave]

Yeah. He's behind Travis Hunter. He's behind Devonte Smith. He's behind DJ Moore. I kind of get that with DJ Moore, but son, I get that Denver added Evan Ingram and RJ Harvey and those guys could impact Sutton to a degree. Pat Bryant's there, maybe he does too. But I, I think Sutton is one of those safer low end wide receiver twos that you can draft. And this is about the range. He should go in.

[Adam]

Jamie, I have a question. You said Keenan Allen might sign with the Steelers if Aaron Rodgers goes there.

[Jamie]

Heard that. Yep.

[Adam]

What are they gonna play? Shuffleboard.

[Jamie]

All right, so I like how while Dave was talking, you were going to figure out your board to get a joke. All set up. 100 can you do me a favor before the show's over.

[Adam]

It's over. What's up?

[Jamie]

Can you go to Twitter X and just click on your notifications and I want to see what the last. Just read five of them. I want to see what you're missing.

[Adam]

This is a long wrist.

[Dave]

I was waiting for you.

[Adam]

Oh, is something waiting for me?

[Dave]

I don't know why Jamie would bring it up otherwise.

[Jamie]

I just don't. This is weird to me that you don't read your notifications.

[Adam]

I read them, but. Okay, so I did some. You want to see? I'll. We can share. We can share the screen.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, you might be, you know, getting called the name.

[Dave]

You gotta save something to read later.

[Adam]

I did some moment of reflection. You mentioned the player outlook. So I was doing my AFC east research and I was doing some Johnny Smith research and looking at why at tight ends who've had a breakout this late in their career. For John Smith, it was his eighth year. So one of the guys. I just think we should marvel at the season that Gary Barnage had one of the. I call it one of the most randomly great seasons I can think of. 1043 yards, nine touchdowns, 79 catches for Gary Barnage at age 30, and he had never had more than 242 yards in any previous season. The next year, Gary Barnage was drafted as tight end 9, and he finished his tight end 28 per game. So. So I just have some comments about tight ends. Heath Miller was a guy who had a late breakout. Dave, Richard. Who knew you rolled so hard? I don't know. This is part of Dave's. Let's see. Dave's talking Las Vegas got in my mentions there. Yeah. So just like some tight end. People talking to me about Gary Barnage. One. One person said. He said. Oh, yeah, I don't remember Gary Barnage had to write his name down to make sure I spelled it right. I refused to Google if what you're saying is true, that I forgot a year of football.

[Jamie]

Wait a minute. You read these already?

[Adam]

I did read them. I don't know why. I said I had 20 notifications. I read these.

[Jamie]

No, I said he had 200.

[Adam]

No, it said 20.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Well, I definitely didn't have.

[Dave]

Ever since 200.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, we're gonna get rid of that. And yeah, I've tweeted some good. Some good stats. I have not gained a Twitter follower in like eight years. I've been stuck at wherever I'm at right now for a long Time. So it's a little bit of an ego bruise for me. If you want to follow.

[Jamie]

When.

[Adam]

At Adam Azer. Yes.

[Jamie]

When Nando bought you.

[Adam]

I remember briefly had like 200,000 followers because Nando bought me them. But that those days are gone. At Adam Azer. Azer at Dave. Richard. At Jamie Eisenberg. J.

[Jamie]

Can I tell you a quick Nando story?

[Adam]

Yeah, sure.

[Jamie]

You want to go? So Dave and I had to do a conference call with something in house, and Dave was on camera and I was not, and it was involving something that, you know, Nando was associated with. So I was texting Nando and Dave at the same time, and Dave was reading his. His phone, and he was getting a little upset about something. So I said, I go, let's just. Let's just start saying things to make Dave laugh. So you can only imagine what came out.

[Adam]

Oh, I need a screenshot. I really need a screenshot, like, very bad. Oh, that's.

[Dave]

I think there. I think one exists.

[Adam]

That's great. Oh, Tank, the chai guy. Wait, how do we say chai, Dave or shy?

[Dave]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Adam]

Okay. Tank, the Chicago guy just followed me. Thank you, Tank. All right, Go, go, Bears. We'll talk to y' all tomorrow. I'm gonna read some emails. We're do fewer. We're like, safest floor. I think tomorrow we'll do fewer groups because I want to read some emails where I would long overdo to read some emails. Do that tomorrow. Have a great day. See, everybody. Paramount podcasts.

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[Dave]

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