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JUSTIFY IT! Explaining Our Draft Picks, Plus Micah Parsons Reaction (08/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Adam Azer
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Jamie Eisenberg
Can you believe this?
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Adam Azer
No, I can't.
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Adam Azer
Happy Friday everybody and welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. Fun day today. We have two shows for you. We have a mailbag later on we're gonna get you ready for your drafts. Big weekend coming up. We're gonna look at the draftathon draft which not a mock, a real draft that Dave and Jamie and Heath were a part of on Wednesday and we're gonna look at their picks and we're gonna make them justify it. Going to put him on the class. Hey, justify it. Hey Jerry Jones. Justify it. Of course we're going to talk about the Michael Parsons trade. Here's a stat of the day that I Read on cbs sports.com Micah Parsons owns the highest pressure percentage in the NFL over the last four seasons. 20.3% in fact according to CBS Sports research staff, Parsons could go 268 straight pass rushes without getting pressure on the quarterback and still own the highest pressure rate over the last four years.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Incredible.
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Adam Azer
Amazing. Good morning guys. Happy Friday.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Good morning.
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Dave Richard
Sorry Cowboys fans.
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Adam Azer
You know what Dave? I think, I think this is best for them. I think this is what they says the Giants fan. Well, it's best for the Giants too. But there weren't going to win the super bowl even with it. They had a horrible defense last year even with him. They. They need a reboot I think. But you know we'll talk about that in a little bit. I obviously I have an opinion that.
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Dave Richard
Nobody with a 30 plus year old quarterback who's the highest paid guy in.
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Adam Azer
The league, four first round picks in the next two years, they could, they could do something with this.
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Dave Richard
But quick note, are you Jerry Jones or what? You're trying to spin this thing positively.
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Adam Azer
I think they got a good return. How many non quarterbacks are getting two first round picks? And Kenny Clark who's a Pro bowl defensive tackle, that's a good return.
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Dave Richard
Are you serious?
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Adam Azer
I'm not saying it's a good trade. They're. They're worse return.
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Jamie Eisenberg
It's a good return. It's not a good trade though.
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Adam Azer
They're worse than they were.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Don't give up generational players in their prime over a contract dispute that could have been handled months ago. The fact that every other first round pick in his draft class got an extension well before he did in case of most of these players well before because I think Slater was just extended a few weeks ago. But like they could, they could have done this so long. He dragged this out. The Cowboys dragged this out. I don't say Jerry, but the Cowboys dragged this out so long because he wanted to win headlines in. In June and July and August.
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Adam Azer
It's the theory, right?
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Jamie Eisenberg
Oh, stupid.
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Adam Azer
Yeah, yeah. Look I. That's they've keep making that mistake. They're waiting so long to extend these players and then the price tag just goes up because other guys sign at the same position on other teams and then they say, hey, I got, I want to be daka. I want to be the highest paid. So that does appear to be an issue for the Cowboys. But I just want to give a quick note because yesterday FAB ran in almost all of our FFT Open leagues. So I just want to give a quick note on fab. You know, that was a hundred dollar budget. Some people have a thousand dollar budget. Whatever. If you haven't, if you don't have a lot of experience with fab, just be a little cautious with it. Okay? I, I wish I had sent this. I wish I had said this yesterday for all the people who are in the FFT Open. I saw a 12 bid, that's 12 of the budget on Dante Thornton Jr. I think you probably could have got him for zero, maybe one. I saw bids on Amari Cooper for $10, $5, $2. I think maybe you could have gotten him for zero, maybe one. Rico Dowdle for $4. These dollars, they matter. They really do. Throughout the course of this season, you're gonna get later into the season you're gonna wish you had those dollars back. So if you haven't done fab, if you don't have a lot of experience with it, really it's gotta be someone that's. That you really think is in high demand for you to lay out really, you know, any significant dollar amount and gotta be in some type of demand for you to do anything other than a $0 bid. Take advantage of your $0 bids, your kickers and your DSTs. Unless you really, really want one for a week. Love this matchup. You think it's going to win you the week. Those are often going to be zero dollar bids. And then if you're a CBS Sports commissioner and Jamie, I, I strongly suggest you do this in your leagues. I'm not sure if you do enable the full FAB report. It's really fun. You can click on it. Anyone can click on it and they can see every bid. So you can see just how bad that top bid was. If anybody else bid on that, make people feel bad.
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Jamie Eisenberg
That's what it is.
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Adam Azer
Yeah, it's fun though. It's, it's fun. It's part of the fantasy football experience. I think it's like good trash talk come out of it. But I also think it can, it can be beneficial because it can give you an idea of maybe what you have to do next time. So if you go to the commissioner Tools enable the full fab report. It's a lot of fun. Quick get well soon to Thomas Schaefer, who is actually producing today, but he has strep throat. He was out yesterday. He's a hero. He's a, he's a warrior for even waking up and he should be resting right now. But get well soon. Thomas Schaefer okay, news and notes. Then we'll do the justify it. We have some news. I want to talk about Jalen Coker. I shouldn't have dismissed him so quickly yesterday. That was wrong on my part. But your thoughts on the Cowboys packers trade and what it means for fantasy and I will just tell you that I looked at bottom five defenses last four years and how it correlated to pass attempts. Don't draw any conclusions. Now, the Cowboys always throw a lot, so they will throw a lot even before this trade. But, but just in general. Over the last four years, there have been 20 teams that finished bottom five in points allowed. Right. Five a year for four years. Only six of those 20 teams finished top 10 in pass attempts. And I think a big reason why is a lot of them finished pretty low in time of possession. So don't you know, the Cowboys are different. The Cowboys, five years in a row, they've, they've been four of the last five years they've been top five in pass attempts. It's just what they do. But if you're looking at another team that's going to have a terrible defense, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to have a lot of pass attempts. All right, Dave, Richard, any anything you want to talk about here from a fantasy angle?
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Dave Richard
Sure. The Packers DST is absolutely worth drafting. I would a top. I was going to say top four. I think I have them fourth, but they're up there for sure. Even though they play the Lions in Week one. Kind of a scary matchup. But the genesis of any good DST is their pass rush. And they already had a really good bass rush and now it's if it's not the best in the league, it's the second best behind the Steelers.
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Adam Azer
Oh, excuse me.
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Dave Richard
It is up there.
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Adam Azer
Giants.
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Dave Richard
Giants are really good, too. Giants have to prove it just a little bit. They've got great talent. To give you an idea, I grade every pass rush unit in the league. It's part of my fantasy Strength of Schedule series. The giants got a nine for me. Packers have a 10 now.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Okay.
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Dave Richard
And the Cowboys are down to a four, the worst in the league. So I, I think that that makes the Packers DSC absolutely worth getting. Don't worry about their tough matchup against Detroit in week one. It will get better. I did move up principles in the packers passing game. Say that five times fast just a little bit. So Dak is now just behind Baker Mayfield.
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Adam Azer
Oh, the Cowboys, Cowboys passing game.
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Dave Richard
Yeah, I'm sorry, I should have said say that.
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Adam Azer
That's easier to say. Five times.
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Dave Richard
That is easier. I feel like Jerry Jones up here. All right, so Dak is now behind Baker Mayfield. CD Lamb is my wide receiver too. George Pickens moved up a couple of spots. I moved him ahead of DK Metcalf. Xavier Worthy can't help but feel like the, the Cowboys are going to be in a very pass heavy Mode Allah the 2024 Cincinnati Bengals if all those guys stay healthy and we're talking about big volume for all three of them. Oh, Jake Ferguson also more on the radar as a top 12ish type of fantasy tight end. And that's it. I didn't move the running backs anymore because they stink and I didn't do anything with the packers offense because I don't know if there's really any reason to. The only guy that we're really reaching for, it's not even reaching. We love him is Josh Jacobs and he's still second round pick in full ppr. Maybe a borderline first rounder and non PPR because he's a running back. It does make him a little bit more alluring because packers should be in a much better situation defensively where they're closing games out with Jacobs running the ball.
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Adam Azer
Anything significant to add, Jamie?
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Jamie Eisenberg
No.
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Adam Azer
Okay.
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Jamie Eisenberg
No. Somebody did bring up something in the chat that if the Cowboys are out of it, do they shut down? Maybe Dak and the receivers. But yeah, I wouldn't worry about that.
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Dave Richard
I wouldn't worry about that either. Someone on, on social media asked me do you think that like there could be games where they just pull their starters off the field, they're getting their butts whipped so badly or, or that their, their defense is going to be on the field so much that there won't even be enough pass attempts for huge numbers for Lamb, Dak Pickens. And I'm, I'm not going to say that those guys are bust because of that. Like the only way these guys bust now is if the Cowboys defense does play better than expected, their run game is better than expected and or they get hurt. Anything Short of that, and we're looking at high volume for everybody involved in the Cowboys passing game.
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Adam Azer
Except I would say that they were 18th in scoring last year, 18th in points per game. With Dak Prescott, they finished 25th, but with Dak, they were 18th. They weren't really that good. They have no run game. They've, over the past few years, they've lost their hall of Fame offensive line stalwarts. People, you know, you look at some offensive line preseason rankings, the Cowboys are toward the bottom. I made this case on a mailbag a couple of weeks ago. And this is before the Parsons trade. Right. Obviously, this feels like the bottom could fall out for the Dallas Cowboys. They could have really, like a reset where they've been a damn good team since Tony Roman.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Oh, this is definitely the reset button.
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Adam Azer
Yeah. So, I don't know, like, when you're talking about drafting CD Lamb third overall, whatever, and George Pickens in the fifth round, maybe, do we want to attach ourselves to this, this circus of a team? Does that come into play at all and we can end it there? Go ahead.
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Jamie Eisenberg
I don't. I don't think you should worry about Dak barring an injury. Now, if you're concerned about the offensive line and leading to some questions, then that's a different story. I think if you're comparing him to, let's say, you know, so, you know, Dave has him in that Baker, Bo Nicks, you know, conversation. I guess for me, he's behind those guys. But, you know, if you want to, you know, talk about Kyler and Fields and those guys, where I have that closer to, you know, so if you're debating quarterback, maybe, you know, you go a different direction because you might be concerned that they're going to, as the question was, you know, shut down their guys end of game, end of season. I'd be very surprised, though, if the. The star power of their offensive ecosystem still is going to just give up, you know, so they won't. They. They still have the opportunity to. You. You brought this up, I think with the. The end of the draftathon and you. You made the case for the Dolphins. And I counter. I said it feels more like the Cowboys, like, who could be the next Bengals? And I feel like this is the type of situation where they have a quarterback that will throw a lot. He's obviously not Joe Burrow, and they have a receiving core that could clearly dominate a lot of games that I think is comparable. And so if they are going to be in these type of scenarios, they're probably going to lose a lot of games but they're probably still going to be throwing the ball a lot and have a lot of success with it.
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Adam Azer
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Jamie Eisenberg
Maybe early in the season if you know he's still being cautious about it, I will, I will say that the, the Parsons edition could limit some of Jordan Love's upside if this defense is as dominant as it can be. So maybe you should be a little concerned about that. But in any event I, I as long as Love has the ability to be mobile still, leg injuries, you know, notwithstanding, he's going to be better than what he was last year. I don't know if he'll be as good as he was in in 2023 and they count on him for four rushing touchdowns. I wouldn't necessarily, you know, think that's realistic.
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Adam Azer
Okay. By the way, I mean we didn't really talk about Kenny Clark, but he's a very good player. Pro bowl defensive tackle. Cowboys are banking on him to make their run defense better and could obviously make the packers run defense worse. So think about that for their opponents don't like hearing this. Andrew Thomas, Giants left tackle he is non committal about when he's going to be back. And yeah, as I mentioned this a few days ago, I don't remember when it was but Bill Barnwell wrote on ESPN that over the last three years the Giants when with Thomas on the field have been something like the 21st, 22nd, you know, best offense in football and with Thomas off the field They've been 32nd, so it's not great. Hopefully he's back soon. They're at Washington and then at Dallas in weeks one and two, which really exciting matchups. All right, Jalen Coker is going to play the slot for the Panthers. Jamie, you brought him up yesterday. I dismissed him. I should not have done that. He's a big slot, six three, £213. He had one drop last year. It didn't even come on American soil. It was a very tough catch. He's a shorthanded guy. I'm not counting it. Yeah. Anyway, what's, what's the appeal of Jalen Coker? I'll go to Jamie.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Could be huge. Four games last year with at least six targets. Three of those, he scored nearly 14 PPR points per game. So he's gonna have an opportunity to be a go to guy for Bryce Young. He's my second favorite Panthers receiver behind McMillan and somebody that I would start looking for in that round 8, 9 range at this point. You know, he's got, he's got a lot of potential here to, you know, be a, be a significant playmaker. So it was only a matter of time before he was going to get a chance because I think based on how Bryce Young likes him and how this coaching staff likes him, and I think that's a big part of why this trade was, was done to, you know, free up as, as Dan Morgan said, to get their young receivers on the field a little bit more. So he didn't make a lot of sense to necessarily play on the outside because I think he's better suited for the slot. And so now that dealing is gone, he's going to get all those opportunities. So it's going to be a fun situation if you're getting him off waivers. You know, I thought this is where you're actually going with the, the fab money because he went for 11 in our podcast league and so 14 team, league four. But you know what though? He's, he's well worth it. And the nice thing is like I was helping some friends last night on drafts on other sites and he is buried. Yeah. So you can, you can find him. I don't know if it's, they don't update their rankings or their projections have not been updated yet, but there's a ton of opportunity here for him.
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Adam Azer
How much fab Dave in a 12 team league for Jalen Coker?
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Dave Richard
I wouldn't go crazy. Five maximum.
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Adam Azer
Okay.
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Dave Richard
I gotta, I gotta save that fab for the whole year. We're drafting with a late round pick and I'm not gonna poo poo it. He could be fun for sure. I don't know if Bryce Young's the kind of guy that can support two wide receivers week in and week out in fantasy.
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Adam Azer
He's also like an undrafted free agent out of Holy Cross who ran a pretty damn slow 40. He's right.
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Jamie Eisenberg
He's.
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Dave Richard
He's more quicker than fast. He wins with size. He can win with physicality.
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Adam Azer
He does win with size. And he's, he has great hands when he's in America. Chris Godwin's gonna miss at least the first month of the season.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Tristan worst so annoying that they didn't.
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Adam Azer
Put on really is. Trifton Wurfs could be back sometime in the first month. When Godwin comes back, do you think he'll be better than Abuka?
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Jamie Eisenberg
No, there's definitely that possibility because he's, he's a proven guy that clearly Baker Mayfield relies on. And this franchise, you know, I know we keep sort of dismissing it. They gave him a three year contract extension knowing that this ankle injury was a problem. You know, they could have easily said we'll give you a one year prove it deal or go walk. Because we, you know, have the intention of drafting somebody in in the upcoming NFL draft. They're still very much invested in Chris Godwin, so could he? Yes. Will he? Probably. I don't think so just because it's going to take him some time to get ramped up. But middle of the season wouldn't shock me if he's their best receiver.
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Adam Azer
Okay.
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Dave Richard
Last time he was hurt and he came back. It took him over a year to look like his old self. They which happened first? The Bucks signing him to an extension, Godwin having a second surgery on his ankle or Abuka getting drafted by the team.
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Jamie Eisenberg
It was extension draft surgery.
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Dave Richard
Right. So first they brought him back before they knew that they could even draft a buca. I don't know if they had designs or were sure that they could get a Buka at 19th overall. And then after they got a BUCA knowing that he was a piece for the future. I mean Mike Evans is 31. Then Godwin had another surgery on the ankle. I would be nervous to use solid capital in your drafts on Chris Godwin and expect anything close to what he.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Did last year, I think that's accurate. But to Adam's question though, could he be better than a book of the answer is yes.
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Adam Azer
Will he be better? I obviously he could. But do you think he'll be better.
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Dave Richard
Be better than Evans. But could I think by the end.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Of the season there is a realistic chance that he is their best receiver?
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Adam Azer
Yeah, obviously it's a guessing game. Someone asked who's a better stash, Godwin or iuk. I mean it's definitely IUK if you have an IR spot. You don't have to waste the roster spot if it's not come down to.
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Jamie Eisenberg
How many bench spots you have.
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Adam Azer
Right. I agree. Okay. All right, Sorry. Let me, let me move on here. Kendrick Bourne's gonna visit San Francisco and Washington. I think born to San Francisco would make a lot of sense right now. Tennessee cornerback Legarius sneed trending toward being ready for week one at Denver. Jalen Wright commits the first month of the season. So Ali Gordon obviously in play. How much fab in a 12 team league would you spend on Ali Gordon?
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Jamie Eisenberg
12 to 15?
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Dave Richard
Yeah, I'd go a lot higher on him than I would on Coker. First of all, I would draft Gordon ahead of Coker and especially if I had a chan, I would want to make sure I got that dude. So I think Jamie's range is a little too high. But that just might be what you have to do to get a running back. That might matter part of the year, all the year. There. There are a lot of ways that this could play out in Miami where Ollie Gordon gets a lot of work.
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Adam Azer
And finally, Minnesota safety Harrison Smith has no timetable for a return. He is a personal health issue. He's going to be fine. Thankfully, we don't really know the specifics, but he'll be back. They played one game without him last year and they gave up 314 yards and three touchdowns to Geno Smith. But we don't know if that's really indicative of anything. But he's a good player for them. And hopefully Harrison Smith back soon. They open at Chicago. Hall of Famer. You think Harrison Smith.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Yes.
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Adam Azer
Okay. All right. We're going to take a break and we're going to come back and we're going to justify it right after this.
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Adam Azer
So what's our schedule looking like after this week, our last week of draft prep? Well, I'm pretty sure we're gonna have a show on Monday. We always have a show on Labor Day. So sorry guys, but we're working. And then, you know, Tuesday I'm not exactly sure. We'll do a probably look at like most added list stuff like that. Wednesday we'll break down the Thursday night game. This is what we this is what we do every every year regular season. Wednesday is like a buy or sell trade kind of show with a Thursday night preview. Thursday we do starter sit for the AFC home games. Friday we do starter sit for the NFC home games. Saturday you get a mailbag which we record on Friday. You'll see that on YouTube on Friday or cure it on Saturday. Sunday morning we have a really quick express episode to get you caught up on injuries and things like that. And then Sunday morning, 11:30am Eastern, go to YouTube.com fantasy football today we have 90 minutes of starter SID advice. YouTube.com fantasy football today, every Sunday morning, 11:30am Eastern up until kickoff. And then we have a recap show which is a podcast at about 7:30pm all right, let's bring up the Draftathon draft. Dave Richard, hi. Who I named. You can't really see it here, but if you expand, I'm going to expand the screen named Dave Smells when I put that in team three, Lady Lamy Eisenberg is team four and then Heath is team 12. Now if you look at the draft, you might see it says that I am team 12. But that's only because I had to input all these picks yesterday I had to claim one of the teams. Oh, you have me ask what funny.
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Dave Richard
Name you gave Heath Cummings.
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Adam Azer
I'm sorry, I. Originally it was team 12. I moved my myself to team. What is that? That's Jake Seeley's team. So the one that says Adam Azer is actually Jake Sealey's team. But I gave myself McCaffrey. I just thought it would be right. Heath is team 12. Anyway, let's go pick by pick and let's start. Let's start with Dave's team at team three. Dave and this can just. Some of them can be really quick. Some of them will expand on Dave. Jameer Gibbs was the third pick after Jamar Chase and Bajan Robinson. By the way, this is a three receiver league, right?
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Jamie Eisenberg
Yes.
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Adam Azer
Okay. Full PPR 12 teams, three receivers with, you know, the best in the business. Joe Psapia, Andy Holloway, Dave Smells Lamey Eisenberg, Scott Fish, Nando Defino, James. On who donated to St. Jude to be part of this. Jake Seeley's in there. Adam Rank, Heath Cummings, Thomas. If you could scroll over a little bit, I'll give the rest of the names.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Marcus Grant.
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Adam Azer
Marcus Grant and Eric Young. And that was it.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Okay.
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Dave Richard
Eric Young the pro wrestler.
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Adam Azer
Eric Young the pro wrestler. Also a big fantasy guy. All right, Dave, Richard. So you had the third pick. So Chase goes 1. Bijan Robinson 2. Justify it. Jameer Gibbs, number 3.
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Dave Richard
19 PPR points per game last year in the 14 games with David Montgomery. I almost figured that that's a floor for Jameer Gibbs this year. And what's the ceiling? Well, in three games without David Montgomery, he was at 32 PPR points per game. And there's always the chance that that happens. There's the chance that Gibbs ends up getting more touches this year and Montgomery gets less. We've heard the Lions talk so highly of Gibbs and utilizing him as a pass catcher in their offense this year. I am very bullish on Gibbs potentially being the number one running back overall in fantasy football this season. It felt like a borderline gift to take him at three overall.
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Adam Azer
Okay, second round, just before your pick, you had Chase Brown and Josh Jacobs get taken. Drake London and AJ Brown were off the board. Both tight ends were available. Bowers and McBride. You went with T. Higgins. Justify it.
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Dave Richard
I would have taken a tight end if I didn't like T. Higgins as much as I do. I have come around on him in a big way. But a lot of it has to do with the offense in Cincinnati, the fact that their defense really did not get improved should be a high volume passing offense, offense, excuse me, lots of touchdowns. Good amount of targets for T. Higgins. Little bit worried about the injury with him, but bottom line is I took T. Higgins over the tight ends, figuring that I would have a chance at one of the two tight ends coming back to me in round number three. And if I couldn't get one of those tight ends, then there would be a receiver, somebody like Lad McConkey, Mike Evans, JSN that I could take in early round three, or a running back. Jonathan Taylor was still on the board. Kyron Williams was still there. James Cook, Omarion Hampton was still there, I think. So I, I know that I would have had a really good player, but I was hoping to get one of those two tight ends in round three.
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Adam Azer
And I assume you also felt it was important, you know, more important to get that first receiver in this three receiver league and take a second running back. Right?
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Dave Richard
So I talk about it all the time. One of the, the very first thing you should do before you go into a draft is get an idea of how you feel about the top receivers in the league. You should want to get one, at least one of however many of the elite receivers you think there are in, in the NFL this year. And I don't know if I can really put T. Higgins in that elite tier, but he's in that next best tier, and that next best tier is even smaller than the elite tier. So he's the best wide receiver that I could have possibly gotten when I was up in round two. And I was reasonably sure he wouldn't have made it back to me in round three.
- [28:43]
Adam Azer
All right.
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Jamie Eisenberg
I got this question when I posted our podcast league team that our first receiver that we drafted was T. Higgins. And then we actually ended up with T. Higgins and George Pickens. And this is just a general question, not just for Dave, but like, do you take into account, and we know how good T. Higgins is, but taking the second receiver on a team when right after t. Higgins went lad McConkey and JSN, which are the first receivers on their team. And so does that factor in at all? Like, can you get the. Would you rather have the one or the two?
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Adam Azer
Well, yeah, I mean, in this case, you got the two on a team that should lead the NFL in passing yards, right?
- [29:24]
Jamie Eisenberg
I mean, totally. I mean, I, I understand why anybody would consider it, but I, I did.
- [29:28]
Adam Azer
Some research on that a few years ago and I didn't update it. But, but what I Basically found was you were better off taking the number two wide receiver on a great offense than the number one wide receiver. Certainly on a bad offense. But it's not like we expect the Chargers and Seahawks have bad offenses, per se, but. But you can get a lot of value with the number two wide receiver on a great offense. They get discounted, but they're gonna probably score more touchdowns. All right, anyway, sorry, back to the game here.
- [29:55]
Dave Richard
Justin's average 9.1 targets per game. Last year, McConkey was at 7, JSM was at 8.1, Evans was at 7.9.
- [30:03]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yeah, but I think you got it on those two guys. You got to azer stat Makaki, we.
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Dave Richard
Can azer stat him all you want. I don't think it's going to be as high as 9.1.
- [30:11]
Jamie Eisenberg
It might be for McConkey down the stretch and I'm almost certain it would be for jsn Post Metcalf, the two games that he missed. And then after that.
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Adam Azer
No, it wasn't for McConkey. I mean, that's the thing. So look at his last 10 games. This is amazing. His last 10 games, he's only on pace for 124 targets. And that's when he really took off. He was on pace for 1500 yards. Lab. McConkey was unbelievably efficient last year. Too efficient. Not going to be able to do it again. But there's a target concern that. There was a target concern last year. But, you know, look. Okay, anyway, sorry, I can look at them back.
- [30:44]
Dave Richard
Jsn. Jamie, you might be right on him getting more than 9.1 targets per game.
- [30:49]
Jamie Eisenberg
I don't know. More targets, same range.
- [30:52]
Adam Azer
All right. Trey McBride was your third round pick and I think that was probably a pretty easy one because Bowers went at the 2, 3 turn. So now you get your top three, your top two tight end. You could have taken Kyron Williams. Just real quick, why'd you go with McBride?
- [31:07]
Dave Richard
Because I thought he was the. The best player available. Less the running backs. We. We talked a little bit about getting players that we haven't really drafted a lot of. In my mind. My plan was to get one of those two tight ends. If they made it back to me in round three and mission accomplished. I got my number one tight end, remember, in full PPR. I like McBride more than Bowers, so happy to take him, have him on a team this year. Whereas I've had Kyron on a couple of other teams. A little bit worried about just how much work he will end up getting. I don't think he's a huge factor in the passing game. And in the event that Stafford gets hurt, that whole offense could be in trouble. These are little minor nitpicks if I was going pure fantasy points and full PPR. Yeah, maybe Kyron does get more than McBride over the course of the season, but I think it'll be close.
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Adam Azer
All right, Dave starts Gibbs, Higgins, McBride. Now round four gets pretty interesting where it's a three receiver league and there is a massive run on wide receivers before this. So you see.
- [32:09]
Dave Richard
I didn't really like that.
- [32:10]
Adam Azer
I can't see the guy that went just before Terry McLaurin. I'm guessing McLaurin, McMillan, Harrison, Sutton, Tyree, Kill, and even before that it was Adams. So it was Adams, McLaurin, McMillan, Harrison, Sutton, Tyreek Hill, and you're on the clock. And you could have taken RJ Harvey, Tony Pollard, Chuba Hubbard, but you went with Jameson Williams ahead of DK Metcalf and Garrett Wilson in a PPR league. Justified.
- [32:35]
Dave Richard
Yeah, and that's how I have it ranked. I think there's limitless upside for Jameson Williams. I love the way that he finished last year. I love the way his game improved from year one to year two. He's the poster child for why you pay attention to training camp in the preseason. Because all the reports out of Detroit last summer were about how he was a better route runner, a lot more dialed in. Things that I've noticed with Keon Coleman, for example, things that have opened my eyes to Matthew golden this summer in camp. And when you hear about those things with the receiver, I think you buy in. And I did that last year with Jameson Williams and he had a hyper, efficient year. Didn't even have 60 catches. Still at over a thousand yards, a bunch of huge touchdowns. He's the other player that you hear about this summer in Detroit taking another step forward. John Morton. Can't stop talking about him. Same thing with Dan Campbell. I think he's going to be a number two receiver this year in fantasy. The other thing was there were a lot of running backs that I kind of viewed the same way when I was up in round four. So I knew I could get one of Chuba Hubbard, R.J. harvey. I'm not sure which other guys were there, but I had a feeling that I'd be able to get a running back that I'd be okay with with my round five pick. So I took the wide receiver first.
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Adam Azer
Tony Pollard, Isaiah Pacheco, DeAndre Swift were also there And I. You know, and there were some good wide receivers, too. There was Metcalf, there was Wilson, there was Xavier Worthy. There was Waddle. But you went with Jameson Williams and Chuba Hubbard with your next two picks. So, Jameer Gibbs, T. Higgins, Trey McBride, Jameson Williams, Chuba Hubbard. Now we are into late round six, and again, a big wide receiver run just before your pick of Diggs, Pearsall Odunze, Travis Hunter, George Pickens. And now you're left. Now it like, we're almost outside the top 40, basically. But you go with Matthew golden with that pick, and then you don't have a quarterback. So I'm a little surprised you didn't take Mahomes. But you go with golden there, and then the next four picks to Andy Holloway and Joe Psapia are Tyler Warren, Zay Flowers, Debo Samuel, Patrick, Mahomes. And then you go with Keon Coleman in round seven, who's just your guy. But that was your fourth wide receiver.
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Jamie Eisenberg
You.
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Adam Azer
You still don't have a quarterback. So why did you go with golden ahead of Mahomes, and then going with golden and Keon Coleman? I guess just those two picks in rounds. What was it, 6 and 7? Yeah, 6 and 7.
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Dave Richard
We need to start three receivers in the flex, right?
- [35:01]
Adam Azer
Yep.
- [35:03]
Dave Richard
Quarterback is one of those positions where you can. You can kind of pass on them a little bit in exchange for filling the need in your roster. And I think that in a full PPR league like this, there's plenty of upside with both the receivers that I got. And I knew that I'd be able to find something that I would like, a quarterback later on, and I did.
- [35:24]
Adam Azer
Did you? Okay, when Coleman was picked, David Montgomery was still on the board, and he went in round seven, did you think about taking him? And did the fact that you have Jameer Gibbs eliminate Montgomery? Because I. I think Jamie getting Montgomery in round seven was. Was a ridiculous value.
- [35:42]
Dave Richard
No question.
- [35:43]
Adam Azer
So what'd you think? Like, could you take him there even though you have Gibbs?
- [35:46]
Dave Richard
No, I didn't. I didn't want to do that. I'm not opposed to that, especially if you're getting Montgomery at a value like this. But the heart wants what the heart wants, Adam.
- [35:55]
Adam Azer
Yeah.
- [35:55]
Dave Richard
Keon Coleman had to get taken.
- [35:58]
Adam Azer
All right?
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Dave Richard
I. By the way, I've lost out to Keon Coleman, to Lamy Eisenberg, as you wrote in the. In the. In the league too many times over the last two weeks, including a draft yesterday. So I knew I needed to get Keon Coleman before Jamie had two shots. To get Hashtag Keon on his team.
- [36:18]
Adam Azer
And you're comfortable taking Matthew golden ahead of Zay Flowers?
- [36:21]
Dave Richard
Oh, yeah.
- [36:22]
Adam Azer
Okay. All right. So after that, Coleman, now that's round seven. So we'll go all the way. We'll swing it around to the to late round eight. Remember, Dave had the third overall pick, so he's picking late in the even rounds. And you take Travis ETN as your RB3. Caleb Johnson and Jacori Crosby. Merit had just been taken. So you go with ETN and then you get your quarterback, Baker Mayfield in round nine. Talk justify those two picks.
- [36:50]
Dave Richard
An even better deal on Mayfield in round nine than Patrick Mahomes would have been for me in round six. So absolutely thrilled that he fell to me, and I actually gambled that he would make it. I probably should have taken Mayfield over etn, but one of the things I love to do when I'm picking third or fourth, really anywhere, like toward the ends, but not on the ends, you have to pay attention to what the needs are of those teams that are picking after you and then before you in the following round. And one of those teams took Mahomes. So I knew that they weren't going to take Baker Mayfield and the other team, it was Joe Pizapia. I believe Joe likes to wait on his quarterbacks as well. So I rolled the dice that Baker would make it back to me in round nine. And I took the running back that I felt like I needed. I needed a third running back, especially since I did pass on Montgomery a couple of rounds earlier. So it's exactly what I did.
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Adam Azer
Worked out perfectly at this point. Through nine picks, Dave has Baker Mayfield at quarterback. Trey McBride in round three at tight end. Jameer Gibbs, Chuba Hubbard are his starting running backs. T. Higgins, Jameson Williams, Matthew golden and Keon Coleman are his three receivers. And Flex Travis Etn is now his backup running back. The I'll just take. Take us through the rest of your draft. You took Basil Tutin, Tucker Craft.
- [38:05]
Dave Richard
So you have two Jaguars made it back to me, especially given who I was drafting with. Like all these smarty pants fantasy analysts and they. They let me get tootin so late.
- [38:15]
Adam Azer
Can I, can I move? Got to this a little bit here. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He is the number three running back on the team.
- [38:24]
Dave Richard
He is today.
- [38:25]
Adam Azer
Could trade. I mean, is that you're just kind of gambling that they. They make a trade? Okay. Yes.
- [38:29]
Dave Richard
Yeah.
- [38:30]
Jamie Eisenberg
There's a very realistic chance that we see middle of the season too. And as the best running Back in Jackson.
- [38:35]
Adam Azer
Okay. You're gonna have to. You might have to be patient there. And then you took Tucker Kraft for sure. Yeah. I mean, you took a second tight end with McBride. Justify it.
- [38:47]
Dave Richard
I wanted somebody that had good value that late in the draft. And Tucker Kraft is one of the dudes that I think could have a breakout year.
- [38:54]
Adam Azer
I don't really understand Jamie. It's like Jamie was playing in a different draft where nobody. The values that Jamie got are just absolutely jaw dropping. TJ Hoginson in round 11. Are you serious? Joe? Like you got Joe Burrow in round five. Just crazy. But. All right. Dave's final team is Mayfield with Gibbs and Hubbard Higgins, JMO golden and Coleman at three receivers in flex etn. At etn. And Tutin on the bench with Jerome Ford. Jerome Ford, a very, very nice pick. Super late round 13. And Keenan Allen is your number five wide receiver. I don't know. I don't love the team. You're the defending champ. Do you feel. Do you love it? You know what makes me a little nervous is, is the Golden Coleman combo there and then with Keen and Alec, I understand the appeal independently of both of them, but it's very unproven stuff at. At wide receivers three and four.
- [39:54]
Dave Richard
Sure. But I'm hoping that between the two of them, one will step up and be a weekly starter and if the other one fizzles, then so be it. I can always go to the waiver wire to find another receiver during the year. Maybe Cannon Allen ends up being decent for ppr. He can be a flex for me. I'm. I wouldn't count on it, but I'm. I'm hopeful that these young receivers step up. In the case of Keon Coleman, second year leap, Jameson, we saw that from him last year. Maybe he makes a third year jump. And just. We talked about it with Tom on the, on the. On the draftathon.
- [40:28]
Jamie Eisenberg
The pack.
- [40:29]
Dave Richard
Pack ass guy and all the reports out of Green Bay. Just crazy good things about Matthew Golden.
- [40:37]
Jamie Eisenberg
I. I like about Dave's team is he went and he got his guys, you know, so that's always going to be something I think that, you know, you like you didn't get Tyler Warren, which I'm sure frustrated him, but I cursed. I. I'll go back to the same conversation I had with you, Adam, in regards to taking a second quarterback when you invested in one of the top five guys like the Tucker Craft pick could easily work out. If he's a superstar and you play him as a flex, he could easily Work out if you trade him. But just looking at what I think you could have used there and whatever receiver you want to put in that spot, I would have taken a shot on another receiver. So, like, even if you wanted to play the friendship strategy, you could have taken Khalil Shakir and you potentially have the best Bills receiver locked up.
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Adam Azer
Yeah. Or you could have taken like another handcuff running back, like a Trey Benson or a Ray Davis or something like that. But yeah, you like Tucker Kraft and you went for that. But. All right. I think kind of a sneaky thing with Jameer Gibbs. He is awesome. Is that you really can't handcuff him. You know, it's. He's the. Is he the only first. First round running back? Yeah. You just. I don't know that you can really handcuff Derek Henry. I'm not sure if he has one. But you definitely.
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Dave Richard
Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like a lot of these guys, you can handcuff Saquon Barkley to Will Shipley, you can handcuff Christian McCaffrey to Brian Robinson. All it does is guarantee you a starter in place, but it's not going to replace that production.
- [41:57]
Adam Azer
All right.
- [41:57]
Dave Richard
Like, not even close in those examples.
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Jamie Eisenberg
I. I will say for everybody drafting this weekend, just heard something yesterday that the Eagles are apparently sniffing around other running back rooms.
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Dave Richard
Yeah, Audrey SMA went there.
- [42:12]
Jamie Eisenberg
Maybe better than that. Oh.
- [42:15]
Adam Azer
All right. We will be back after this with.
- [42:18]
Jamie Eisenberg
Jamie's more proven backup than what they have right now.
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Adam Azer
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- [43:25]
Jamie Eisenberg
Okay.
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Adam Azer
So we'll do Jamie's team. He picked fourth, but I also want to do a couple teams later in the draft to give people sort of a sense of how to build a team from different spots. So Jamie's team, you took CD Lamb fourth overall. I'm not going to make you justify that, because I know he's your number three overall player. So with your.
- [43:41]
Jamie Eisenberg
I don't really have to do much this draft. Just kind of like, okay, yeah, he's there. Sure. Okay, great. Yeah, I'll take him. Fine. All right, cool. Thanks.
- [43:47]
Adam Azer
I can't believe, and I just can't believe some of the value that was there for you. It's crazy, but. All right. In round two, you took Josh Jacobs, and then in round three, you took Kyron Williams. So you go with a. With a running back. Heavy start. Two of your first three picks are running backs. But my first question is, in round two, why didn't you take Brock Bowers?
- [44:09]
Jamie Eisenberg
I have Jacobs ranked ahead of Bowers, and I had this conversation with a friend last night who was asking what they should do with the fourth overall pick as well. And the debate for this particular person was Jameer Gibbs versus CD Lamb. And I said, I love both. I have no problem with whoever you want to go with. I have Lamb ranked ahead of Gibbs mostly on the reasoning of what's available to you in round two. So when you get to round two, if you like the combination of Gibbs and Higgins, it's great. I personally like the combination of Lamb and Jacobs or Brown or Taylor or Bucky better. And so I go with that mindset of who I take at that 3, 4 spot. So for me, it was, I'm taking CD Lamb, and I'm definitely taking Jacobs. And then it just becomes the sliding scale. So I like Jacobs better than the Titans, personally.
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Adam Azer
Now, just to throw this out there, if you were someone that's. You're listening to what Jamie just said, but you don't want to take Lamb. You want to take Gibbs and Josh Jacobs or Gibbs and Chase Brown or Jonathan Taylor, whatever. Can you go running back? Running back? Absolutely. You can. We, you know, we like to get one of the top eight to 10, maybe, maybe we extend it to Drake London, where we like to get one of those wide receivers. But if we can't, you know, we're. We're fine with that. You. You can do whatever the hell you want. We can make it work. You can make it work.
- [45:29]
Jamie Eisenberg
I think to that point, Adam, and sort of circling back to the Higgins vs. McConkey vs. JSN, you can definitely go gives one of those running backs. And if you're perfectly fine with all those guys in the same tier, which is how I have it, I think they might be similar. But if you have Higgins, JSN, McConkey, or for me, it's Higgins, McConaughey, Jason in that, you know, next tier or whatever tier of guys, you can do that. And then if you're just playing out average opposition on our site, there's a chance Drake London and AJ Brown are there too. So you can go Gibbs, and get one of those wide receivers if that's the route you want to go also. So it's just, again, how you think you want to plan it? For me, I always go, especially with our analyst drafts. I. I typically anticipate those top nine receivers because A.J. brown's now, you know, 10 and somewhat falling those top nine receivers to be gone.
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Adam Azer
Oh, it's really dangerous to do this, to just take a few drafts from your own personal experience and, and make it a generalization. But I am starting to see AJ Brown really fall to even the third round sometimes, and I'm starting to see Tyree Kill, including in this draft, fall to almost the late fourth round.
- [46:36]
Jamie Eisenberg
So I think though the. The recent news for both of those receivers may sort of stabilize their ADP a little bit because Brown returned to practice and Hill's now expected to practice. So if people know that those red tags may be gone.
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Adam Azer
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean. Yeah, I don't. You're right. Okay. All right. So anyway, Jamie goes Lamb, Josh Jacobs, you take Kyron Williams over Travion Henderson in round three. You show some restraint there. But you could have. Let's. So. So the Higgins, McConkey JSN tier was off the board. Bowers and McBride were off the board. So you take Kyron Williams. Justify it.
- [47:11]
Jamie Eisenberg
I still think despite the report that we got yesterday in regards to Matt Michael Floor saying that they want to reduce his touches, I think Heath explained it best if you take away two or three touches per game for him. He was top three in total touches each of the last two seasons at running back. So now maybe he goes to five or six while we're still drafting him as the top as a. As a 10 through 12 running back, you know, so circle back to our ADP conversation a couple of days ago where he was going 18, 19 again. I think that's a little bit too soon. Back into round one, early part of round three. I think that's Certainly a good spot for Kyron Williams. So if you are sold on Hampton or Cook or Henderson, because I think that's the next trio for most people that I see at least, then absolutely go a different direction. Go with the player you think is more upside. I still think Kyron has just as much upside as, as those guys and some of the handful of guys in front of him. And so to get him as my number two running back, to get him in, you know, start of the middle of round three, like, I'm, I'm more than happy with that.
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Adam Azer
Question for both of you. Is it too soon to take Mike Evans where Jamie took Kyron Williams, 3.4.
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Jamie Eisenberg
In, in. In a vacuum. No. With the players that are on the board, yes. So I would rather have, personally, I'd rather have Hampton, I'd rather have Cook, and I would rather have. Yeah, Henderson too.
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Dave Richard
I would take Evans over Henderson and you could justify taking Evans over those other running backs. If you're just so, you know, focused on getting a wide receiver, you don't want to miss out on getting a wide receiver that you would like, tolerate to be your wide receiver too. What if your first two picks were running backs and now you're up in round three and Omarion Hampton is staring you in the face and that would be awesome to have him, but then you're gonna have three running backs and no wide receivers in a three receiver full PPR league.
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Jamie Eisenberg
I don't know.
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Dave Richard
That's the best way to go about things. So you could, you could justify taking Evans at that point.
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Adam Azer
Man, he was the number five wide receiver per game last year. You know, down the stretch after the Chris Godwin injury, Jaylen McJay. McMillan, in that stretch was the number 26 wide receiver per game, but that was mostly because of touchdowns. He was only on pace for 87 targets. So. All right, anyway, a little too early, I guess, for, for just generally speaking for Mike Evans there. So Jamie goes Lamb, fourth overall, then Jacobs around two, then Kyron Williams, and I'll just remind everyone, three receiver, full PPR 12 team league. Tyreek Hill was part of that big wide receiver run. That was Adams, McLaurin, McMillan, Marvin Harrison, Cortland Sutton, and then you took Tyreek Hill. You know, are there any receivers that went before him? How many of the receivers that went before him in that stretch of Adams, McLaurin, McMillan, Harrison and Sutton, would you have taken ahead of Ky of Tyreek Hill?
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Jamie Eisenberg
Not one.
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Adam Azer
Okay, so you love that pick.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Loved it. Absolutely loved it.
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Adam Azer
You took him over Burrow and I know you got Burrow in the next round, but you couldn't have felt great about getting. Oh, but Hertz was available to only three receipts. Only three quarterbacks are off the board. Did you give any thought to quarterback in round four when you took Tyreek Hill?
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Jamie Eisenberg
If Tyreek had been off the board. If Tyreek and Sutton had been off the board. I'm sorry, if you want to go the whole list of receivers, Tyreek, Adams and Sutton would off the board. I would have taken Burrow over everybody that went after. Okay. Without hesitation.
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Adam Azer
And you would have taken Burrow over Hertz.
- [50:36]
Jamie Eisenberg
I like Burrow over Hertz in six points for passing. Touchdown leagues. Yes.
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Adam Azer
All right, so look, analyst leagues, man, quarterbacks go really late. Like Jalen Hurts went in the sixth round. Joe Burrow went in the fifth round. All right, so Jamie takes Tyreek Hill in round four. That gives him Lamb and Tyreek Jacobs and Kyron Williams. And then he takes Burrow in round five. So that was an easy pick for you. I'm not even going to make you justify it. Okay, Round six comes around and Rasheed Rice is the first pick of round six. Then two more picks. It's Judy, then it's Diggs, Pell, Odun, Hunter. I'm very surprised that Pickens had not been picked at that point. So, Dave, you. You took golden next. How much did you want Pickens?
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Dave Richard
I would have given my foot. Come to my office, chop off my foot and give me George Pickens. Yet another draft where Jamie stinking Eisenberg snipes me on a player. But honestly, Pickens should have gone at least like five picks ahead. Like, Jamie got really lucky to have him fall into his lap here because some of these other receivers, like Travis Hunter, we're all excited about him. Same thing with Odun. No way those guys should go ahead of George Pickens. Diggs. No way at all should he go ahead of George Pickens. And especially now. This draft was done before Parsons was traded, but we really felt like Dallas was going to throw a lot anyway. Just the. The opinion on Pickens has gone nothing but go up. And circling back to something I said earlier. What have the camp reports been like on George Pickens ever since it started in Dallas? Just tons of highlights, big plays every day. I've talked to friends who have been at that practice. They are all swooning over George Pickens. This was maybe the best pick in the entire draft.
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Adam Azer
The best Pickens the entire draft.
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Dave Richard
By George, I think you've got it.
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Adam Azer
Wait, where's the. Can you guess the best? The best Pickens. The entire draft. Okay, there we go.
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Dave Richard
So that really made it awesome.
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Adam Azer
All right, you take Pickens. Now you have three receivers. Lamb, Hill, Pickens. You have Burrow. You have Jacobs and Kyron Williams. Not really sure why we're playing this league out. David. David Montgomery was your next pick. Okay, so after you take Pickens, we get Golden, Tyler, Warren, Zay Flowers, Debo Mahomes, Holmes, and Keon Coleman. And then you take David Montgomery. So was that just best player available at that point?
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Jamie Eisenberg
I would have taken Montgomery or I took Pickens if he wasn't there.
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Adam Azer
Did you? I guess at that point you have your two. Your two running backs and your three receivers. So now it's a PPR league and you have a flex spot to fill. Did you have a preference running back versus wide receiver? You ended up going with the running back in Montgomery.
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Jamie Eisenberg
He was just too good at this point just to pass on. Like, obviously I would prefer a high end receiver to be my flex, but the fact that I took a quarterback in the first five rounds, which is not something I'm usually apt to do again, it. I wrote the, the recap for the story, like, it just was like, okay, he's here. Why is he here, this player? Like, I can't pass on him. It's just too good.
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Adam Azer
He was the number 15 running, like last year in this per game, 15th per game last year in PPR.
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Jamie Eisenberg
There was not. There was one player in this draft that I felt like I reached for. And we're going to get to him next because it's the one player that I reach for in every draft. And it just was like, okay, Lamb, easy for me there. Jacobs, relatively easy. Kyron, okay, we're starting to get to the point where he's slipping a little bit. Tyreek, we're slipping a little bit. Burrow should never go this late, but like you said, it's an analyst draft. Pickens, very late. They've just said best pick of the draft. We'll see if that plays out. Montgomery's usually at worst around six pick. He's sitting here around seven. It just, everything just kind of fell the right way, you know, and it doesn't mean it's going to work out like you say, why are we playing this out? That's crazy. But this is, this is just how you kind of like a draft to fall, where it's like you don't have to make a lot of tough decisions.
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Adam Azer
Yeah. So my question for so Pickens and Montgomery were super easy picks to make. And he by the way. Yeah, he by the way. And so was Tyree kill has been RB15 per game in PPR two straight years. Okay. So I don't think he's going to be that high because I think we're all hoping for more work for, for Gibbs, but you're still like, he's such great value. Okay. Anyway, at this point, you've got everything but your tight end. So what are you thinking at tight end now with seven picks in the books, a quarterback, three running backs and three wide receivers on your team, what are you thinking you're going to be doing at tight end? You're certainly not thinking, well, I'm going to get TJ Hawkinson in round 11, which is what happened. But I guess at this point, what, what is your thought process?
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Jamie Eisenberg
So once we got to. So we're through Montgomery at this point?
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Adam Azer
Yes.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Okay, so once we're through Montgomery, if you see the draft board, everybody going down. So I'm sorry, going up, I guess going to the left has a tight end picks 1, 2 and 3. So I know as I'm coming back the other direction, I can now wait a little bit that way so I can see what the rest of the board is doing the other direction. And Dave sort of alluded to this as well when he was talking about quarterbacks like I know already, Bowers round two, McBride, round three, Warren, round six. Like those guys are probably not going to invest in a tight end anytime soon. So if you scroll across the other direction now, I'm sort of just watching and, and, and seeing who's taking tight ends the other way. So we don't get until, if I'm not mistaken, Kelsey's or I don't know where Laport. So he went, he went in the.
- [56:19]
Adam Azer
Fifth round to Marcus Grant, team 11.
- [56:21]
Jamie Eisenberg
Okay, so Laporta's off the board at this point as well. So at this point, I know my number four tight end is still there. My number five tight end is still because I moved both Njok and kelsey head of LaPorta. Ingram is still there, Craft is still there, Hawkinson's still there. And then it's the, the jumbled mess of who can I sort of cobble this together with? And it just kept, you know, they just kept falling. So every time it's coming back the other way, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to take a tight end. And then when it got to the point of, you know, if you want to skip ahead to where I got Hawkinson around 11. I kind of had a feeling that when both those guys were on the board, somebody might take a second tight end.
- [56:54]
Adam Azer
Both those guys being who?
- [56:55]
Jamie Eisenberg
Craft and Hawkinson, meaning Joe Pcpa, Andy Holloway, and Dave. Oh, and the one that really concerned me the most was, Was Andy, because, you know, again, Dave and Joe getting Bowers and McBride, I didn't think that they needed a second tight end, but, you know, maybe you want to pair somebody with Warren, which makes some sense. So it was like, okay, when it got to that point and it was Craft and Hawkinson. When I took Darn on MOONEY in round 10, at that point, I knew when it comes back around to me, I'm taking my Titan. And so Dave took Craft. I have Hawkinson ranked ahead of Craft. I would have been happy with either one. So it worked out as. As good as it possibly could. See, I.
- [57:28]
Adam Azer
You, you go. Lamb, Jacobs, Kyron, Tyreek, Hill, Burrow, Pickens, Montgomery. That's your first seven picks. Braylon Allen, who's the guy you reach for in every draft in round eight? Christian Kirk. In round nine, when you took Christian Kirk, that's probably where I would have taken a tight end. And I would have been wrong because it worked out perfectly for you, but I probably would have taken Hawkinson or Joku there.
- [57:49]
Jamie Eisenberg
So I. I'll tell you why I took Kirk there. One, it was to see how far Najoku would fall. Because at that point, again, he's still. I don't know how people value him, per se. And you see where I took her, Kelsey had already come off the board. So now we're six tight ends in, right? Five tight ends because laporta's off the board. So I wanted to just kind of.
- [58:11]
Adam Azer
See, you know, Warren was off the board too.
- [58:14]
Jamie Eisenberg
So it's five Titans, right?
- [58:17]
Adam Azer
No, well, six or seven. At what point? When you took her.
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Dave Richard
Where I took her when he took her. I think it's seven because Kittle was off the board.
- [58:25]
Adam Azer
Kittle, LaPorta, Tyler, Warren, and Travis Kelsey. Seven times.
- [58:29]
Jamie Eisenberg
So we're six tight ends in seven. The reason I took Kirk was because I wanted to see which tight ends would fall and.
- [58:38]
Adam Azer
Huh, Six. You were right. I sit here corrected you saying seven, but it's six. My bad.
- [58:44]
Jamie Eisenberg
And as much as I love Pickens, this is not a Pickens conversation. It's the fact that I have Lamb and Pickens. I wanted to give myself one more receiver that I like that I think I could start if I need to. And another flex option that I may need to start as well because Braylon Allen I probably have to wait on just before I'm starting him. I think that's realistic. And so Kirk to me has top 30 upside. He could be a flex easily in a three receiver league. And if the Pickens Lamb combination goes south because of a DAC injury, for example, I have a receiver that I can rely on a little bit more.
- [59:17]
Adam Azer
Okay. Yeah, you know what, it's, it's a good point. You really, in a three receiver full PPR league of 12 teams or more, you definitely want to have a good wide receiver for. I've been burned by just having, you know, not good enough receiver depth. There's one injury and then you're really scrambling. So you took Christian Kirk. I'm going to, I'll speed it up and just say after Kirk he took Darnell mooney, he took T.J. hawkinson, he took Brian Robinson, Romeo, another gift at that point. Like yeah, that's the handcuffer. McCaffrey, Romeo Dobbs, Xavier Legate, Jake Bates. Did you give any thought to taking Blake Corum because you had Kyron Williams?
- [59:54]
Jamie Eisenberg
Not at that point. Following the report, yes. Then I would have probably considered over overly get and I did consider a second tight end and it went right before me was concate. So Kincaid was somebody I was going to draft at that point.
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Adam Azer
All right, so Jamie picking out of the four spots going to start Joe Burrow, Josh Jacobs and Kyron Williams, CD Lamb, Tyree Kill, George Pickens and David Montgomery at flex or Christian Kirk with Braylon Allen and Brian Robinson on the bench and Darnell Mooney and Romeo Dobbs, Xavier Legate and of course he has TJ Hawkinson at tight end. I'll jump over just to Jake's team which if you're watching says Adam Azer. But this is Jake Seeley's team. But Christian McCaffrey, Brian Thomas Jr. Would have been a pretty damn Adam Azer start. So I don't really have to justify that. I think Brian Thomas Jr. Was the last of the top eight wide receivers. So that's, that was a slam dunk, easy pick. I would not have taken Camara in round three. But if you want me to justify it, I, I would have taken Evans there for sure.
- [60:54]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yeah.
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Adam Azer
So Evans would have been the pick there in round three at 3.9. But he took Camara. I, I, I can justify it by just saying that if as long as he just keeps being Alvin Camara on a, you know, which is not an efficient running back but gets a Ton of catches. He's actually going to smash that adp. We're obviously concerned about that though. Would I have taken Evans or Lamar Jackson or Jaden Daniels? That's the question. I would have taken Evans maybe. In a two receiver league I would have taken Lamar Daniels. But in a three receiver league I would have built out that receiving core. So he goes Camara McCaffrey, Brian Thomas.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Question would be is did. Would you have taken Camaro with the intent of hoping one of those three quarterbacks came back to you?
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Dave Richard
Right.
- [61:35]
Adam Azer
No, actually. So Josh Allen was one of the.
- [61:38]
Jamie Eisenberg
Four quarterbacks could have come back to you. So yeah, you could have had one easy.
- [61:41]
Adam Azer
That's true. Josh Allen was off the board. I don't think I would have anticipated Lamar or Daniels coming back to me. Especially with Heath picking 12th and knowing he's going to take Jaden Daniels. So then the question. All right, let's, let's back up McCaffrey, Brian Thomas Jr. We're in a three receiver league. Evans is probably my favorite pick in the three receiver league. In a two receiver league, I don't think I go quarterback there. Do I go Kittle there? That's the question. What do you guys do with. I'm saying my best options. I don't like the running backs. Right. We get this run of Kyron Trayvon Henderson, James Cook, Omarion Hampton, Ken Walker. I would have gladly taken four of those five guys at 3.9, not Walker but I would have taken Kyron, Travion, Cook and Hampton. So they're off the board. Only one quarterbacks off the board. What do you do with this pick? I'm saying my best options are Lamar Jackson, Mike Evans and George Kittle. What would you guys have done at 3.9?
- [62:42]
Dave Richard
Evans.
- [62:42]
Jamie Eisenberg
Evans.
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Adam Azer
Okay, now make it a two receiver league.
- [62:46]
Dave Richard
Evans, full PPR still.
- [62:49]
Adam Azer
Yeah.
- [62:50]
Jamie Eisenberg
Oh no, I'm sorry Kittle. In both cases.
- [62:54]
Adam Azer
I say Evans and three receiver and maybe Kittle in two.
- [62:57]
Dave Richard
But Dave, I would have taken Camara and two if it's full ppr.
- [63:01]
Adam Azer
Okay. Okay.
- [63:02]
Dave Richard
Because look at all the receivers that win round four. There are way more of those guys that I would have been okay with as my wide receiver two and I'd like to have some of those guys potentially as my wide receiver three in a three wide receiver league. So just the fact that it's a three wide receiver league that, that pushes Evans up for me a little. I, it's close between those two but I feel like maybe Evans could have made it back to me in round four and if he didn't, then Devonte Adams could have. McLaurin could have. There's Marvin Harrison could have. Like I would have been okay with those guys in round four.
- [63:35]
Jamie Eisenberg
I know why you chose Jake's team.
- [63:37]
Adam Azer
Why? I like Jake Steam. I, I wish, I wish Camara had been Mike Evans and then he took Devonte Adams in round four. That could have been RJ Harvey. Maybe. Although I probably would have. Yeah, I would have taken a quarterback there. I would have taken Burrow. The funny thing is he could have taken Hertz in round five. I can't believe.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Oh, you also might, you know, you would have taken Tyree Kill in round three.
- [64:06]
Adam Azer
Tyreek Hill in round. You know what, I think Evans over Hill makes sense now. I think there's.
- [64:14]
Jamie Eisenberg
Okay, so more downside with Hill. I, I agree with you on that. Would you have taken, would you have taken the quarterback or Tyree killing round four?
- [64:23]
Adam Azer
Tyreek. You're right. I would have taken Tyreek.
- [64:25]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yeah, you could have had. If you were Jake, you could have had McCaffrey, Thomas Evans, Tyreek.
- [64:31]
Adam Azer
Actually no, I don't think I would have taken. I would not have a 29 year old running back coming off an injured season, a 32 year old wide receiver coming off a season where he missed four games in Mike, that's not like.
- [64:43]
Jamie Eisenberg
You'Ve done that already once, but.
- [64:45]
Adam Azer
And Tyreek Hill.
- [64:47]
Jamie Eisenberg
No, you've only done McCaffrey, Hill and James Connor. I mean there's no but.
- [64:50]
Adam Azer
Connor wasn't my fourth round pick. He was my fifth round pick in a 14 team league. He was not the 40th overall pick. So in all seriousness, I wouldn't put that much risk in my first four picks, that much age in my first four picks. I would have taken Burrow in that scenario over Tyree Kill. But if you were just giving me like based on like ranking. Yeah, I think, I think you're right. I think Hill and, and Evans would have been on that team. But I think y' all played a little safe. All right. I don't think we need to go through the rest. Jake did a really good job balancing running backs and wide.
- [65:21]
Jamie Eisenberg
I think just real quick because you could see Jake's team and you could check it out. Heath's team is interesting. If you just want to go, okay.
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Adam Azer
Nico Collins, Devon HN Jaden Daniels, George Kittle, he had the 12th pick, so he's picking out the turn. Nico and HN Jaden Daniels, George kittle in a three receiver league, he has one wide receiver in his first four.
- [65:40]
Jamie Eisenberg
Picks and one wide receiver through his first six picks that he could start in the first six weeks of the season.
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Adam Azer
He talked about this yesterday. I, I, I did not like the team. I think guys, I gotta run. Okay, so Nico, Hn, Daniels, Kittle, can you make this work in a three receiver PPR league by taking a quarterback and a tight end early, which he does at 36 and 37 overall with Daniels and Kittle. Then he goes DeAndre Swift at 60.
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Jamie Eisenberg
That's, that's the pick where I think you want to go receiver.
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Adam Azer
Well, what if he takes, I mean Swift's a good pick, but what about he takes rasheed rice at 61? Why not take Jerry Judy there?
- [66:19]
Jamie Eisenberg
Okay, if you want to replace Rice with Judy, that's fine.
- [66:21]
Adam Azer
Yes.
- [66:22]
Jamie Eisenberg
But knowing that he has one receiver in a three receiver league and he loves HN and we hope HN's fine because if HN's fine, then you know, 13.1 is perfect for him. I think you go and I, I guess let me back up if you want to take Rashi Rice. Right. And he said this, he knew if he doesn't take him there, he's not getting him. I think you got to give up the running back and you go Judy and Rice.
- [66:49]
Adam Azer
Judy and Rice. Okay, I, but I think he'd rather take, I'd rather go Judy and Swift.
- [66:54]
Jamie Eisenberg
But because if you play, if, if you play it out the way it worked for him, if you tell me that you're starting second, your second starting running back is Tyrone Tracy. The way that it worked for him, like that's fine.
- [67:03]
Adam Azer
Yeah, Tyrone Tracy was a good pick. So I think what, what gets me is like pick 84 was Jacoby Myers. Now I don't know how people feel about that, but he just didn't have good receiving options at the end of round seven. You know, ADP tells a different story. I think in your home league it would not surprise me if a Mecca Buka or Ricky Pearsall were actually available at the end of round seven. I think Keon Coleman will definitely be available at the end of round seven. I think. Who else? I think Debo Samuel and Chris Olave could, could easily be there. He just is in a league with analysts which is very receiver heavy. It's a three receiver league. So Jacoby Myers being his, his wide receiver three, but then really his wide receiver two because he has Rasheed Rice. I didn't love it. He says he's fine with it. He likes Jacoby Myers. So Nico H.N.
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Jamie Eisenberg
Daniels, that's a second receiver, though.
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Adam Azer
That's the problem. I said that right. Nico H.N. daniels, Kittle, Swift, Rice, Jacoby Myers, Tyrone Tracy.
- [68:09]
Jamie Eisenberg
I now he got a little bit.
- [68:10]
Adam Azer
Of a gift there, I think with Tracy.
- [68:12]
Jamie Eisenberg
Agreed. Now he may dominate quarterback if Daniels does what he thinks he's gonna do. It's his number one quarterback. He may dominate tight end, certainly more so than almost nine other teams. And his number one receiver and number one running back could be in the conversation to be best at their positions too.
- [68:30]
Adam Azer
Yes.
- [68:31]
Jamie Eisenberg
But he has, he could have two holes in his lineup, though.
- [68:35]
Adam Azer
I really want to play this team week one because he's got a Chan who may not play. He's got Luther Burden who we're not starting. He's got Rasheed Rice, Jacoby Myers. He's got Jawan Jennings who's probably not going to play but hasn't been ruled out. And he's got, he's going to have to start Wondale Robinson. He also has Tajay Spears who's going on ir. So it's a, it's a risky team.
- [68:54]
Jamie Eisenberg
Right. He may, he may by the end of the season be the best team by far.
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Adam Azer
Yeah. Starting lineup of Daniels and Kittle, Achan and Swift. Nico at some point. Rashid Rice.
- [69:07]
Jamie Eisenberg
Well, Nico Myers.
- [69:09]
Adam Azer
Nico Myers, Wondale.
- [69:11]
Jamie Eisenberg
At first he said Wandell would be in his lineup. He started two Giants in week one.
- [69:14]
Adam Azer
I mean, Wanda with starting out with Wandale against the Commanders and the Cowboys could be okay, but yeah, it's a risky team. I, I honestly think we talk all this about builds and your favorite builds. You can make anything work if you draft the right players. I mean, I was in a home league draft last night. Super casual, like too many auto picks. A lot of bad picks. Like I think James Conner went 25th, Aaron Jones went 37th. That kind of. But if you're in leagues like that, you know, don't, don't even worry about the builds. Just. Just grab the best players. A lot of you out there are going to be in leagues like that. They're going to have some wackyou know.
- [69:50]
Jamie Eisenberg
What he should do? No, he should do. He should make me a trade offer of George Kittle for George Pickens and T.J. hawkinson.
- [69:58]
Adam Azer
Oh, I think. I don't think he's gonna do that.
- [70:02]
Jamie Eisenberg
I don't think he's gonna do it either, but I could hope.
- [70:04]
Adam Azer
What do you think about this trade offer? Last night? I drafted Bijan Robinson in round one and A.J. brown in round three. I want to trade them for Jameer Gibbs and Pukinakua. What do you think?
- [70:18]
Jamie Eisenberg
Tell me again.
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Adam Azer
I'd give up Bijan and AJ Brown for Gibbs and Puka.
- [70:25]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yes. I'd rather have your side.
- [70:26]
Adam Azer
You rather have Gibbs and Puka?
- [70:28]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yeah.
- [70:29]
Adam Azer
Yeah. I think I might make this trade offer. All right.
- [70:33]
Jamie Eisenberg
I made a. I made a bad trade offer. I made a bad trade yesterday because I was gambling. So it was 10 team dynasty league. I just won the league last year. This is the team. If you recall, I dropped almost the entire roster two years ago. Probably the draft room.
- [70:50]
Adam Azer
Really?
- [70:50]
Jamie Eisenberg
No, I. I inherited at the worst team. I traded the last two players of significance to get the second overall pick in the rookie draft. So my first two picks to start my team were Bijan Robinson and Jameer Gibbs.
- [71:02]
Adam Azer
Nice.
- [71:02]
Jamie Eisenberg
And then got Rashi Rice, got Pukunakua, Traded Jaden reed for Trey McBride when Reed was hot last year and McBride was off to a slow start. My team is just ridiculous. So I have no. Nobody really to drop. And I wanted to. There were three players in the rookie. I'm sorry. There was one player in the rookie draft that I wanted to get specifically, and it was Basil Tootin in round two from something that I heard yesterday. So I made a trade to clear out some players on my roster. Remember, 10 team, one quarterback. Nicely. So I traded Josh Downs, Jerome Ford and Darnell Mooney for around. Around 3 pick and around 4 pick in the rookie draft.
- [71:46]
Adam Azer
Josh Downs, Jerome Ford and Mooney for rounds three and four.
- [71:49]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yes.
- [71:50]
Adam Azer
Okay.
- [71:51]
Jamie Eisenberg
Mostly just clear out spot space on my. On my roster.
- [71:53]
Adam Azer
Okay.
- [71:55]
Jamie Eisenberg
So first round, I have the 10th pick. Matthew golden follows me. Easy, no question. Take Matthew Gold. Second round Toon goes right in front of me. So pissed. So I take Ollie Gordon with the last pick in the second round, and then now I'm stuck with the third and fourth round picks. And I don't get. I'm not getting players as good as Josh Downs.
- [72:12]
Adam Azer
Can you offer them. Can you offer them for Tootin? Do you think that would work?
- [72:18]
Jamie Eisenberg
I could probably make a trade for two.
- [72:20]
Adam Azer
Yeah, go for it.
- [72:22]
Jamie Eisenberg
Yeah. But I was so pissed.
- [72:26]
Adam Azer
That sucks. That's such a bad feeling. All right, man. Good show. Good preseason, everyone. Have an awesome weekend. We got a mailbag coming up in a little bit and 1pm Eastern. We're recording that if you want to watch it live and you'll hear it on Saturday. And then we'll be back on Monday with some week one prep and also some draft prep because people are still drafting next week. Have a great weekend. Take care.
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Jamie Eisenberg
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Adam Azer
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Adam Azer
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Jamie Eisenberg
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