Live Mock Draft! When to Draft Rashee Rice, De'Von Achane, TreVeyon Henderson and More (08/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today (CBS Sports)

Episode: Live Mock Draft! When to Draft Rashee Rice, De'Von Achane, TreVeyon Henderson and More
Date: August 22, 2025
Host/Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg
Main Theme:
A live, detailed mock draft for a 12-team full PPR fantasy football league with analysis of picks, player tiers, strategy debates, Steelers backfield breakdown, wide receiver values, and practical draft philosophy for 2025.

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Episode Overview

The crew runs a full mock draft for a 12-team, full PPR fantasy football league, providing in-depth commentary and strategy insights throughout. Key themes include how injuries and preseason risers affect draft value, when to target boom/bust players like Rashee Rice, De’Von Achane, and TreVeyon Henderson, and how to construct optimal rosters amid uncertainty (Steelers backfield, WR depth, handcuffing). The episode features live reactions, friendly debates, strategy discussions for each phase of a draft, and player-specific evaluations.

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Mock Draft Format and Structure

• 12 teams, Full PPR
• 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 6 bench spots
• No kickers or DSTs
• Adam (Pick 7), Jamie (Pick 11), Dave (Pick 12)

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. First Round Reactions & Early Strategy

[02:29]

• Jamie starts Henry & Brian Thomas Jr.
  "Derrick Henry at A Monroe St. Brown... And then Puka Nakua with back to back picks because I got stuck at 12." – Jamie
• Dave’s turn: “I love that Dave did that because I was torn between Derek Henry and Brian Thomas Jr. Ah, you got both your guys.” – Adam
• Adam takes Ashton Genti at 1.07; discusses positional scarcity at WR.

2. When and Why to Draft Risers & Fallers (Achane/Jacobs/WR Tiers)

[03:51] & [05:49]

• De’Von Achane early second: “It is a risk but he is just too damn good. It’s okay if he misses a game or two. It’s not going to ruin my season.” – Adam
• Jacobs vs Achane: “This is the first draft we’ve seen... where Jacobs has gone ahead of HN at least recently." – Jamie
• "He’s got to be a round 2 pick at this point." – Dave on Achane’s updated valuation

3. Breaking Down the “Big 5/6” RB Tiers

[07:32] & [12:13]

• Consensus: Jacobs, HN, Kyren Williams, Chase Brown, plus 2 more as “round 2/3 turn” targets
• "I just love the running backs in this range." – Adam on rounds 3–4
• Early WR run leads to strong RB value falling into mid rounds.

4. Wide Receiver Value and Mini-Runs

[14:33], [19:47], [20:17]

• Adam secures a WR in round 5: “There will be plenty of wide receivers. Now there will also be this amazing offer on BetMGM...”
• Discussing how to rank/target WRs in runs: Adams, Metcalf, Wilson, Worthy.
  “I would have gone Adams way ahead of Metcalf. Wilson, Worthy.” – Dave [20:20]
• Importance of not panicking if you don’t get an elite WR early: “Odds are you’re going to get yourself a running back you really like in rounds three and or four.” – Adam [12:23]

5. Steelers Backfield Controversy: Warren, Caleb Johnson, Gainwell

[30:56] – [34:31]

• Adam, Dave, Jamie break down preseason usage, third down roles, and implications: "It was not good for Jalen Warren unless you guys. Because he didn’t play third down. Gainwell was the third down back. So if Caleb Johnson’s gonna split with Warren on first and second down and... Gainwell at least is going to have a say on third down...” – Adam
• Jamie on rookie outlook: “It’s going to be very tough for Caleb Johnson to be in a primary spot right away. He may work his way.”
• Dave's summary: “It may be a three-headed monster for a considerable amount of time.”

6. Rashee Rice: Value and Draft Philosophy

[25:11], [25:46], [26:15]

• Rashee Rice as a mid-draft swing pick: suspension risk, big upside if appeals linger.
  "Your roster in week four is going to be different than the one you drafted in week one. So you know, just, you just get the points from Rashee Rice." – Adam
• Jamie: “In a two receiver league, it’s much easier to get away with drafting Rice, especially with your build earlier because he’s going to get you off to those first four games, hopefully playing at a very high level.”

7. Debates on Handcuffing (Ollie Gordon, Spears, Chubb, etc.)

[44:03] – [47:15]

• Adam & Jamie argue whether you should handcuff your own RB or swing on other team’s handcuffs:
  "Any running back that you draft where in the back of your mind you’re worried about an injury and you believe in the guy behind him. I think it’s worth doing." – Dave
• Jamie: "You may have been able to get Spears on the way back. But... just for your roster build, taking Ollie Gordon would have made more sense."

8. Late-Round Picks and "Luxury" Drafting

[51:13] – [54:12]

• Adam: “I’m going to take Caleb Williams, see if I hit the lottery.”
• Jamie: “You have Joe Burrow... you have a questionable receiving core...”
• Dave: "He’s in between McCarthy and Stroud... three QBs on the waiver wire I’d rather have than Caleb Williams at this point."

9. Team Recaps and Draft Review

[62:00] – end

• Each expert reviews their team, discusses missed/snatched picks, and evaluates structural strengths and weaknesses.
• "This is a good example... I was sniped on each of my first five picks in the odd rounds. Jamie took Henry, Cook, Abuka, Coleman, Baker before I could get my hands on them." – Dave [65:56]
• Jamie: "I like this team a lot. I think just honestly, I was going out of my way to draft Ali Gordon..." [63:39]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On roster flexibility:
  “Your team is going to change so much throughout the course of the season. Your roster in week four is going to be different than the one you drafted in week one.” – Adam [25:46]

• On Steelers RB situation:
  “It's going to be very tough for Caleb Johnson to be in a primary spot right away. He may work his way.” – Jamie [33:16]

• On targeting RBs rounds 3-4:
  “If you're picking in the second half of the first round and you get to rounds three and four, I just love the running backs in this range.” – Adam [12:13]

• On Rashee Rice upside:
  “He's just so good... There's a chance that this lingers and lingers. As Jamie mentioned, you don't know what the status is going to be.” – Adam [25:46]

• Debate: handcuffing own RB vs others:
  "In the case of a Chan, I think it makes sense to get your own handcuff... If I drafted Kenneth Walker, I’m going to go out of my way to get Zach Charbonnet." – Dave [45:50]

• On knowing your league:
  “As you always hear me say, know your league.” – Jamie [22:55]

• On waiting on QB:
  "I am right about picking two quarterbacks. I will take that to my grave." – Adam [52:40]

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Highlighted Timestamps

• [02:29] – Early first/second round debates and positional value
• [07:10] – Discussion on preseason “injury team” and WR tiers
• [19:47] – Ranking Wilson, Adams, Metcalf, Worthy
• [25:11] – Rashee Rice’s value, suspension risk
• [30:56] – Steelers’ RBs breakdown
• [44:03] – Handcuff RB philosophy
• [51:13] – Adam “luxury pick” logic with Caleb Williams
• [62:00] – Team-by-team draft recaps

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Summary of Expert Teams

Adam’s Team

• QB: Joe Burrow
• RB: Ashton Genti, De’Von Achane
• WR: Terry McLaurin, Travis Hunter, Rashee Rice, Khalil Shakir, Marvin Mims
• TE: George Kittle
• Bench: Javonte Williams, Caleb Johnson, Tajie Spears, Caleb Williams

Jamie’s Team

• QB: Baker Mayfield (late)
• RB: Derrick Henry, James Cook, Trayvon Henderson, Jerome Ford, Ray Davis
• WR: Brian Thomas Jr., Emeka Egbuka, Calvin Ridley, Keon Coleman, Stefon Diggs
• TE: Dalton Kincaid, Jake Ferguson

Dave’s Team

• QB: Jared Goff (late)
• RB: Alvin Kamara, Chuba Hubbard, Tony Pollard, Tyrone Tracy, Tank Bigsby
• WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown, Puka Nacua, Marvin Harrison Jr., Ricky Pearsall, Tyler Warren (TE)

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Concluding Draft Takeaways

• Plan for Mid-Round Depth: Running backs in rounds 3–5 offer strong value, even if you go WR heavy early.
• Be Flexible: Adapting to runs and positional shortages is key—don't force the “perfect” build.
• Monitor Preseason/Depth Charts: Usage notes, especially in ambiguous situations (Steelers RBs), can shift late-round flyers into league-winners.
• Upside vs. Security: Late rounds are prime for securing handcuffs (Ollie Gordon, Spears) and high-variance plays (Rashee Rice, Travis Hunter).
• “Know Your League”: Be mindful of league-mate tendencies and ADP shifts.

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Closing Note

To see the full draft board, head to YouTube.com/FantasyFootballToday. Jamie will post a written recap as well. For more league help, follow the FFT crew on social media and tune into CBS Sports Network at 1pm ET for further breakdown.

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This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. We are drafting and we are reacting to a pretty interesting if not revealing night in the Steelers backfield. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BETMG Sportsbook. Born in Vegas. Happy Friday Everybody. It's Friday, August 22nd. Big weekend. A lot of people are drafting. We're doing everything we can to get you ready. We did record the mailbag last night. It'll publish on Saturday and we'll tell you about some more content coming up. Adam, Dave and Jamie here. We're in this draft. We've already made 14 picks so Thomas is going to be inputting the picks and we're going to show them to you. If you're listening to this podcast, this would be a good one to go on YouTube and watch the draft board unfold. YouTube.com fantasy football today good morning Dave and Jamie. How we doing? Who'd you take with your first pick?

[Jamie]

Derrick Henry at A Monroe St. Brown.

[Dave]

And then Puka Nakua with back to back picks because I got stuck at 12.

[Adam]

You got stuck.

[Jamie]

I love that Dave did that because I was torn between Derek Henry and.

[Dave]

Brian Thomas Jr. Ah, you got both your guys.

[Adam]

Oh, what a tough pick I have here. Yikes. All right, so up and now why.

[Dave]

Don'T you tell us about the top pick?

[Adam]

17Th overall. I took Ashton Genti in round one. This is a two receiver league with one flex. I do not want to have zero receivers at this point but the best players on the board are definitely not receivers. I am going to take Devon Hn. It is a risk but he is just too damn good. It's okay if he misses a game or two. It's not going to ruin my season.

[Jamie]

Having James prioritize Ali Gordon now.

[Adam]

I don't know. I mean, I guess if you don't, someone else will. Well, yeah, I mean prioritize. I don't know. I don't think Ollie Gordon is going to have some great season. But Jalen Wright hurt his leg yesterday. Dave, you were at the practice. Do you think for sure Ollie Gordon is second on the depth chart?

[Dave]

Yep. Because Jalen Wright, he wasn't really playing well or practicing well even before he got hurt. We don't know the severity of the injury but the fact that he limped off and back into the facility is a problem. And so I think by default Ollie Gordon won the number two running back job. And right now the guy who's number one at running back isn't healthy for the Dolphins. Add on top of that then Mike McDaniel said that dispersion of the football is the ultimate weapon against a defense. When asked about, you know, how he's going to use Achan coming back from his injury and that makes me think that Miami might spread the ball around a little bit more at least in terms of carries between their running backs. Unless they make a move to acquire another running back. I, I think Gordon is going to end up being a decent role player for them and I don't mind taking him with a pick. Let's call it round 12 + make it a pick that's not worth anything where he could end up potentially being their starter. Week one against Indianapolis.

[Adam]

All right, let me catch everybody up here. So we'll go through a quick like some news and notes real quick. Talk about the Steelers backfield. I have the seventh pick. Jamie has the. Not the eighth pick. Sorry, Jamie 11th. Dave 12th and this 12 team full PPR league where again we start one quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, one tight end and a flex. No kickers, no DSTs. We have what, six bench spots? Yes. Okay, so round one was Chase Robinson, Jefferson, Gibbs, Lamb, Barkley, Chase Bijan, Jefferson, Gibbs, Lamb, Barkley. That's wide receiver, running back, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver, running back. Then McCaffrey, then Genty, then Nico Collins, Malik neighbors Derrick Henry and amanra St. Brown. Six running backs, six wide receivers. The next two picks were Puka Nukua and Brian Thomas Jr. So Dave started his team with St. Brown and Puka. Jamie started his team with Henry and Brian Thomas Jr. Dave, if Derrick Henry had not been taken at 11 by Jamie, if you had, if he had taken St. Brown or Puka or Brian Thomas Jr. Whatever, what would you have done at the turn if Henry had been available to you?

[Dave]

I would have taken Derrick Henry and whichever receiver was there between Saint Brown and Nakua.

[Adam]

But whereas you were comfortable taking a Chan in the first round, are you no longer comfortable taking him?

[Dave]

No. He's got to be around 2 pick at this point.

[Adam]

Do you think I took him too early at 17?

[Dave]

No, I think that's right around the range where he should go. And it's, it's, it's you buying the dip. We talk about this every single preseason where players lose value on draft day because of recent events or current events. And then two, three weeks from now, Achan could be really good to go and you got yourself a first rounder in round two. I thought it was a smart pick.

[Jamie]

This is the first draft we've seen Adam that we've done together. At least where Jacobs has gone ahead of HN at least recently.

[Adam]

He did Jacobs dig. So is Puka, Brian Thomas Jr. Josh Jacobs first three picks of round two. We did talk a lot about Jacobs on the mailbag that you're going to hear on Saturday or you can go watch it on YouTube already. And by the way, that mailbag, the first 30 minutes is auction talk. So if you're in an auction, the.

[Jamie]

The first 30 seconds is me giggling.

[Adam]

Walking off set to laugh at Dan with dad. Anyway, round two. Puka, Brian Thomas Jr Jacobs, Drake London way ahead of AJ Brown. Devon Achan, Brock Bowers.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you have to take Drake London ahead of AJ Brown though.

[Dave]

I don't think you do.

[Adam]

I don't either. I think you could. I think you could. I'm not saying you should, but you could just do the all preseason injury team and grab like all this value of players that people were panicking on. It would have to be more like an auction because you can't take hn, Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown on the same team necessarily. And.

[Jamie]

Oh, I did. I just did it in a draft Wednesday.

[Adam]

What'd you do?

[Jamie]

I drafted McAfee. It's a super flex league, so I got four points for passing touchdowns. So quarterbacks fell a bit, but I got at the 10th pick, Jalen Hurts in round one, McCaffrey, round two, HN, round three, A.J. brown. Round four, Mike Evans. Round five, Tyreek Hill. Round six.

[Adam]

Yeah, you nailed. You crushed it. All right. I think. All right, let me get back to round to Puka, Brian Thomas, Jr Jacobs, London Achan Bowers. Now, we've sort of established there is a tier of five running backs and we'll see how they come off the board. But they're all coming off the board here with Jacobs. Then HN, I guess, is in that tier. Maybe it's six running backs now. Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, then Trey McBride.

[Jamie]

What a steal.

[Adam]

Then AJ did someone just take Bucky Irving, like 29. Wow.

[Dave]

Jack did.

[Adam]

Last guy in the tier, Trey McBride, AJ Brown, Lad McConkey, Jonathan Taylor. Now, are we cool with Lad McConkey going 23rd overall?

[Jamie]

Vikings trying to acquire Adam Thielen.

[Dave]

Oh, dude, that's.

[Jamie]

That.

[Dave]

That's happening. It sounds like that's going to end up happening.

[Adam]

Are we cool with lad McConkey 23rd overall?

[Jamie]

23Rd overall, yeah. Too soon.

[Adam]

He went.

[Dave]

Are we nitpicking it, though?

[Jamie]

I mean, I'd rather have Bucky. I'd rather have Taylor. I'd rather have.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jamie]

T. Higgins. I'd rather have jsa.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm about there, too, so it does feel a little too soon.

[Jamie]

But that's it. I mean, early round three, I just wouldn't take him over.

[Dave]

Right. That's. That's kind of what I was getting at, is that, like, if you really love the guy, take him. But I think he's much more of a round three pick. I've got him.

[Jamie]

I've got.

[Dave]

I've got him like, as a top 30 pick, so it's a little reachy. I would take.

[Jamie]

Don't do it. Adam Kidd or what? All right, do it.

[Adam]

Let's talk about something, because I. I'm not going to say I made a mistake by taking Genti and hn, but I. I hate the wide receivers available right now, and I love the running backs available right now. I'm not taking a third running back, so that leaves me between Kittle and A Quarterback. And I think I'm going to take Kittle and hope that one of Daniels burrow and make me curse comes back to me. No, don't care. Oh, there goes Jaden Daniels. All right. So I could start this, this league with two running backs, a tight end and a quarterback. A very unusual build, but we talk about how much we like the wide receivers in rounds five through seven. So we'll see if I can maybe pull that off if I go, if I get Hertzer burrow with my next pick. This is a 6 point per passing touchdown league. But I would say that again. We say it a lot. It, it might make you just breathe a sigh of relief if you get a top eight wide receiver or whatever you want to extend it to London, AJ Brown, whatever. But with one of your first two picks. I was one of. Was I the only. No, Joe, I was the only team here. Oh no, Dave, you too. All right. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm getting so confused. You know, I'm trying to see how many teams did not draft a wide receiver in one of the first two rounds. Am I the only one? No. Joe took Gibbs and McBride and then he took JSN. Joel took McCaffrey and Bowers and then he took Josh Allen. So he also doesn't have a wide receiver. But those guys have one of the elite title. Oh, all right. So we all have a. Have an elite tight end. If you could consider Kittle. But most teams have a wide receiver. Dave, you had Saint Brown and Pukinakua. What'd you do with the 34 turn?

[Dave]

I was in a tough spot in the 34 turn. Camaro was the top running back on the board. Jamie had taken James Cook right in front of me. I would have taken James Cook if he had been there. Marion Hampton went right in front of Jamie. I'm sure Jamie would have taken Hampton over Cook.

[Jamie]

Yep, you would have.

[Dave]

And so the, the, the running backs that were left that were at the top of my board were Chimera, Chuba Hubbard, James Connor, Trayvon Henderson, RJ Harvey, and then everybody behind them. The receivers that were left, Devonte Adams, Marvin Harrison Jr. And Cortland Sutton. I already had Nakua. I didn't want to have Nakua and Devonte on the same team. I would have taken Marvin Harrison, but Harrison has the same bye week as Saint Brown and Nakua. I don't want three receivers with a week eight by. So Camara was the easy choice and there, there weren't any quarterbacks that I loved that were on the board. There weren't any tight ends. I went rbrb. Chuba's my next ranked running back. So Camara and Chuba Hubbard were my picks.

[Adam]

Oh, man. If you're picking in the second half of the first round and you get to rounds three and four, I think Jamie's going to agree with me. I don't know about Dave. I just love the running backs in this range.

[Dave]

If of course.

[Adam]

Right. Like Bucky. Bucky went way too late, so he didn't quite make it there, but don't count on that. But Omarion Hampton, James Cook, Alvin Camara, Chuba Hubbard, Trayvon Henderson, RJ Harvey have all just been picked and I don't know, you don't have to love all of them, but odds are you're going to get yourself a running back you really like in rounds three and or four in this 12 team format. All right, let me get you round three here. Round three was Tyreek Hill, Lamar Jackson, T. Higgins, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Little earlier than ADP on jsn. There I was. That's a guy. When I took HN and Genti, I was hoping JSN would make it back to me. He did not. Bucky Irving, Mike Evans in the middle of round three, which we like now. Josh Allen, first quarterback off the board. Nope. I'm sorry, Lamar Jackson.

[Jamie]

Do you just call yourself a dumbass?

[Adam]

Yes. Yes. Lamar Jackson went with the second pick of round three. Josh Allen went with the seventh pick of round three. Then I took Kittle, Jaden Daniels, Omarion Hampton, James Cook to Jamie, Alvin Camara to Dave. So Omarion Hampton started a run of five straight running backs. And in fact, after Mike Evans was taken with the sixth pick of round three, we went 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11 or 12 picks before another wide receiver came off the board. That's pretty telling right there. So Jamie at 11 took Cook. Dave took Camara at 312 at 4.1. He took Hubbard. Jamie took Henderson. So they both went running back. Running back there through four picks. Jamie at team 11 has Derrick Henry, Brian Thomas Jr. James Cook and Travion Henderson. Dave has St. Brown, Pukinakua Camara and Chuba Hubbard. So, you know, two running backs for Dave, two receivers, three running backs for Jamie, one receiver. I at pick eight have no receivers. Genti, HN, Kittle and Burrow.

[Dave]

I bet you end up happy with the receivers you get though.

[Adam]

I think so. You know, I. I think how this.

[Dave]

Has played out and the receivers that are still on the board. Harrison, Sutton, Tedro, McMillan, Pickens, McLaurin, Abuka. Like we're in early round five. They're all still there. I think Harrison's a steal in round five, to be perfectly honest with you.

[Adam]

Oh, wow. He's still around. Marvin Harrison. Okay. Hey.

[Dave]

I don't know if he makes it all. We're on pick two of round five and you're kind of in the middle of round five, so I'm. There he goes. He just got picked.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

That was a good pick by Jake.

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I don't.

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Yeah, I know. You never like pausing the draft. All right. But we're getting a little behind. Heath is in Memphis doing the creator draft with St. Jude. We're gonna actually check in with him during CBS Sports Networks during our CBS Sports Network show. The creator draft starts at 11am Eastern. For those of you watching live, just check his Twitter account and you can see all everything you need to know. And then we're going to check in and see how it's going and talk to him during our show on CBS Sports Network at 1:00pm Also, if you want to join the podcast league, there are two spots available. You can bid on them by Sunday. The auction ends on Sunday. The draft is Monday night, 8pm Eastern. 14 team PPR league. This was our original podcast league. If you wouldn't mind, Jamie, if you could just spend the draft momentarily.

[Jamie]

I was going to say I want to test the theory of mine with you coming up.

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Okay. I'm on the clock. So anyway, yeah, if you want to be in the in the podcast league, two spots are available. We're going to raise some money for St. Jude. Tinyurl.com 2025fft if you want to join the other podcast league, this is a 10 team super flex league. Heath and I share a team in this league. The other nine spots go to listeners. You just have to email fantasy football cbsi.com it's the letter I Fantasy football. Com. Put Leftovers League in the subject line. You'll be eligible. I'm going to choose them somewhat at random. And that draft is Tuesday at 8:00pm Eastern. This upcoming Monday is the is the 14 team podcast league. The Leftovers league is this upcoming Tuesday, 8pm Eastern. If you want to be in the Monday podcast league, you got to do [e-mail] 2025ffT and click on auction houses. And we're going to raise even more money for St. Jude. It's amazing.

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All right, Adam, what does somewhat at random mean?

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I'm going to try to read as many as I can, but I'm going on vacation, so I don't, you know, so I don't have as much time as I normally do. So somewhat at random. And Jamie. Yeah, go ahead.

[Dave]

When's the last time you went on vacation in late August.

[Adam]

Yeah, for one day. One day. I'm taking off one day. I don't want to hear it.

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You all took off one day vacation in late August.

[Adam]

Get out of here. You would. No, I'm not taking this from you. No way. I took Terry McLaurin. All right, let's catch up on rounds four and five. Chuba Hubbard. Round four. Chuba Hubbard. Trayvon Henderson, Jalen Hurts, RJ Harvey, Joe Burrow. First five picks are three running backs and two quarterbacks. Now we've got three tight ends off the board and five quarterbacks off the board. So it could be a while before we see either of those two positions. And now we get a little bit of a run on wide receiver in the middle of round four. Garrett Wilson. And I know we might be a little nervous about Garrett Wilson. Is this a good spot for him mid round four?

[Jamie]

Absolutely.

[Adam]

You're still going to get a lot of catches, right? A lot of targets. All right, then, DK Metcalf. How would you guys have drafted this run of four wide receivers? Garrett Wilson, DK Metcalf. Jamie, I think you should pause the draft because I'd love to get your thoughts live as you make this pick, and I'll get you there soon, I promise. But how would you guys have drafted Garrett Wilson, Devonte Adams, DK Metcalf and Xavier Worthy?

[Jamie]

Tell me again. I'm sorry.

[Adam]

Yeah, so it went in order.

[Dave]

My order, Jamie, and then you can change it. It's. I would have gone to Adams way ahead of Metcalf. Wilson, Worthy.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I agree.

[Adam]

Okay. Obviously there's some. Some Matthew Stafford concerns in there. After that, we had Breece hall and Ken Walker. So again, Breeze hall is a faller, but 10th pick of round three and Ken Walker's a follower. How do you feel about them at around four? I'm sorry. 10th and 11th picks of round four for Breeze hall and Ken Walker.

[Jamie]

Love the value for Walker. I think this is about the beginning. I would start to consider Bruce hall if he's in the range of running backs that you're looking at, but I would not take Bruce hall in round three by any stretch. And Walker has definitely fallen to round four. So I would take Walker after Hampton, Cook. Hampton, Cook, Henderson and Harvey. But I would take him ahead of Camara and Hubbard.

[Dave]

Would you take him ahead of James Connor?

[Jamie]

I would take him. Have James Connor, yes.

[Dave]

Okay. Because I feel like there's that range of, like, veterany running backs. Hubbard, Connor, Camara should be in there. Walker's in there, Breeze is in there. I think once you see one or two of those running backs go, that's when you know the rest of them are going to follow really soon after.

[Adam]

I think we're also seeing. It's a really big tier of running backs and a big tier of wide receivers and they could go in any order. Camara went. Camara and Hubbard went at 36 and 37. Then you had Henderson, Harvey, but Harvey's ADP is still in round five, maybe even round six. Breece Hall, Ken Walker, DeAndre Swift would soon go. And then you've got this group of wide receivers. Garrett Wilson, DK Metcalf, Devonte Adams, Xavier Worthy went a little earlier than we usually see him go. Jameson Williams went at the last pick of round four, and that's where we are. And Mahomes went with the first pick of. That's exactly Mahomes's adp. So Brandon, who had the number one overall pick and took Chase, took Patrick Mahomes, first pick of round five. He's probably saying, I want Mahomes. I can't get him at the last pick of round six. I'm going to take him first pick around five. After Mahomes, it was Marvin Harrison, DeAndre Swift, George Pickens, Cortland Sutton. We love that pick. Jalen Waddle a little earlier than usual. Ted a row McMillan. And then I took my first wide receiver, Terry McLaurin, and then Isaiah Pacheco went. Dan's just taking all my guys. James Conner went right after Pacheco. James Conner, by the way, top 12 basically every year when he's healthy. But he's getting up there in age a Mecca. Abuka to Jamie. Holy moly. That is what? That's 59th overall. You took Abuka.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So I knew Dave probably had inkling to want to draft him. So there was a handful receivers that have sort of bunched together of Abuka Ridley, Judy Pierce, all I think DJ More still on the board, those guys. So I'm like, I don't think I'd get a buka coming back. Let me take him before Dave picks. So as you always hear me say, know your league. And so I took a Buka and then I still got Ridley, who I have ranked very similar.

[Adam]

All right, so Jamie took a book of 59th and Dave took Tony Pollard and then he took Ricky Piersol. So the days of getting Ricky Pierce all in the seventh round are probably done as he went with the first pick of the second sixth round.

[Dave]

Well, what's his adp.

[Adam]

Well, it's hard to say because, you know, he's such a big riser, but I can use a date range on nfc, so how about I don't.

[Dave]

Would you mind doing that? Because I'm curious if he's still going to be like a round six pick in, in everybody's drafts this weekend.

[Adam]

All right, I'm just going to look at the last three days of non super flex drafts, right?

[Dave]

Like he's around eight, 41 drafts.

[Adam]

He's wide receiver 32. And I'm not going to give you he's going 63rd. But wide receivers go really early in this ADP. So everybody's pushed up but Abuka's wide receiver 31 and Pierce all his wide receiver 32. And then it's Rasheed Rice, Jerry Judy, Travis Hunter. It's basically exactly what we're seeing in this draft. Rice hasn't come off the board yet, but the other guys. Oh, Judy hasn't come off the board yet or has he?

[Jamie]

Judy is not.

[Adam]

All right, so after Dave took Pollard to end round five, he took Pierce all. Then Ridley goes to Jamie, as he mentioned, and then Devonte Smith, DJ Moore and I took Travis Hunter.

[Jamie]

So Hunter over duty.

[Adam]

You know, I have so many. I have. We're not playing this out, so maybe I should have just done it the other way. But I taken Jerry Judy in my last, each of my last two drafts. But actually I think I just like Hunter better. But it's very close. That was between those two. And I was really considering Rasheed Rice, you know, because he's going to be, I think the best of all of this group while he's playing.

[Jamie]

So I'm glad you said that. First off, I don't know if I'd want to pair rice and McLaurin together just with how that could, could go. But I do think in a two receiver league, it's much easier to get away with drafting Rice, especially with your build earlier because he's going to get you off to those first four games, hopefully playing at a very high level. He may get this extended if the appeal process goes longer than that. But again, you're, you're trying to maximize what has been a little bit of a lull in your receiving core. That's the way to do it.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was very appealing because you know, you figure, look, we're going to get him for at least the first four games probably unless they come to some sort of settlement. His hearing is after the first four games. This is where she Rice we're talking about. Your team is going to change so much throughout the course of the season. Your roster in week four is going to be different than the one you drafted in week one. So you know, just, you just get the points from Rashi Rice. There is a chance that this lingers and lingers. As Jamie mentioned, you don't know what the status is going to be and he's just so good.

[Jamie]

Three receiver league, it's a little different, a little more challenging.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

Two receivers, two flexes. A little more challenging.

[Adam]

He's still on board. Wow.

[Jamie]

In this, in this format, like I probably should have considered it too because I already filled my flex.

[Adam]

Well, like I'm up in three picks.

[Jamie]

Let's see work out great for you.

[Adam]

Yeah, we're in round seven. So anyway, what you're going to see is this, this wide receiver is going to be very popular in rounds five and six. And we're going to start to run out of the ones that people really want to start once we get to round seven. Matthew golden was the first pick of round seven. We still do have Rasheed Rice on the board, but we have Debo Samuel, Jacoby Myers, Roma Dunes A, Jordan Addison. I'm guessing people are going to be more comfortable with these guys being bench receivers or flexes for them. So rounds five and six is going to be wide receiver heavy. If you're loaded at wide receiver then you, you know, you might be able to see some running backs fall to you that you like. But let's recap. Round six. It was Pearsall Ridley, Devonte Smith, DJ Moore, Travis Hunter, Aaron Jones, Sam Laporta, Dave David Montgomery goes here and then Jordan Mason was the next pick. You know, Montgomery going kind of late in round six. Mid, mid. Round six, let's say, is later than what we used to see. Do you think he's been a faller and do you think it's been justified?

[Dave]

It's a little bit justified because there's so much excitement for not just Jameer Gibbs, but really the whole passing offense in Detroit. Just rave reviews all training camp long. I do still view Montgomery as a low end RB2 though. And this is, I'm okay with.

[Adam]

I, I.

[Dave]

Would I be okay with round five for Montgomery? Maybe like at the tail end in a full ppr. Not ppr easily. Yes. Maybe this is where we should expect Montgomery to go because people aren't excited to draft him. I don't think people really believe that he will be as good as he was last year. Certainly in the passing game.

[Jamie]

Wow. Yeah.

[Adam]

She rice 80th overall as my flex. This worked.

[Dave]

I think Montgomery is. Is a solid pick. Not a sexy pick, but when you're getting them where. Where is around 6? Yeah, it's solid.

[Adam]

Well, Jordan Mason and then Jay. Okay, we got to talk about this. Let's talk about the Steelers running back. Since Jordan Mason was the next pick, the next running back off the board after Mason was Jalen Warren. After Mason, it was Judy Flowers Andrews and now I don't. Do you guys know how deep? I think we're about 36ish wide receivers deep. And we're starting probably to get to the point where it's a little bit riskier. Matthew golden after Mark Andrews was taken and Andrews was taken before Najoku. You guys like Najoku better than Andrews, right?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Do you like ninja format? Do you like Najoku and PPR better than Laporta?

[Jamie]

Do I like Najoku better than the Porter? Yes.

[Adam]

Dave.

[Dave]

I'm just mad at Jamie right now for taking Keon Coleman right in front of me in round seven. I thought for sure he'd make it back to me. No one's taking Keon Coleman in round seven.

[Adam]

I know, right?

[Dave]

Nobody puts Baby in a corner.

[Adam]

All right, crap, Dave, you're on the clock, so you've got.

[Dave]

No, I quit. I quit.

[Adam]

The same thing.

[Dave]

I'm going with Tyrone Tracy and just build out my running back depth. I've got four pretty good running backs. Camara, Chuba, Pollard and Tyrone Tracy. Maybe Chimera can be a stud. Chuba can be okay. But, you know, the strength of my team is going to be in my receivers. St. Brown and Puka should be great. I think Peirce Hall's a breakout, and since it's round eight and I've only talked about him 6432 times since March, I will take Tyler Warren to be my tight end.

[Adam]

Yeah, you know what? Look, we're seeing guys going way ahead of their ADP. Warren going 85th, Coleman going 83rd. But that's okay, especially when you're picking 11th and 12th and you know, you're. You're not up again for a while. So Dave goes with Tyler Warren and Tyrone Tracy Jr. At the turn. Now the Steelers running backs, because I am probably going to take Caleb Johnson, Jalen, if he's available when I pick in three picks. Jamie just took Stefon Diggs, TJ Hawkinson off the board. I'm on deck. So what we saw last night isn't necessarily indicative of what's going to happen. But it was not good for Jalen Warren unless you guys. Because he didn't play third down. Gainwell was the third down back. So if Caleb Johnson's gonna split with Warren on first and second down and j. And so. And Gainwell at least is going to have a say on third down and. And Gainwell was exclusively the third down back last night on two possessions. That. That was not good for Warren again, doesn't mean it will.

[Jamie]

I think it's awful for Caleb Johnson.

[Adam]

I don't think so, because I think Caleb Johnson could just become their first and second down running back if he's. Look, why did they draft Caleb Johnson? Why did they sign?

[Jamie]

I don't. I don't think Aaron Rodgers wants to be on the field with Caleb Johnson in any time that he's going to drop back and throw the football. So maybe if. If their script early in the game is we're gonna run eight of our first 10 plays, then maybe there's Caleb Johnson on the field more. It feels like he's got a very, very long way to go to be considered a starter for this team.

[Dave]

I concur. The other thing I'll mention, though, is the Steelers are getting to know Kenneth Gainwell, and I. I think everybody would have told you before the preseason started, yeah, Kenny Gainwell's capable of playing on any down in the NFL, but they might have just simply wanted to see how he would do playing third down for them in a preseason game. Just because you see in a preseason game, it's true. It's not indicative of how the Steelers intend to roll this year. They know they've got a guy for third down in Jalen Warren if they so choose. And what happened last night could be indicative also potentially of what they could do. I just. I'd be surprised if it ended up happening that way.

[Jamie]

I think that.

[Dave]

Well, think about game. While starting a preseason game before Caleb Johnson got in, think about him getting the opportunity to play on passing downs. Last night.

[Jamie]

It also was. Was Mason Rudolph starting? That's a big part of the two, you know, so it's not exactly what we're gonna see. I think if you're gonna say Adam, like, it was bad for Warren, like he put the ball on the ground, they recovered it, you know, not. Not the worst situation, but not great. He slipped on one route. You know, again, how much they're going to value that type of performance versus, you know, what he, what he did. I, I just think Warren's their guy. And, and Gainwell is going to mix in. Maybe he is the third down back. But we talked about this. At some point this week those two guys grayed out Warren and Gainwell as two of the better past blocking running backs in the league and you have a 40 year old non mobile quarterback. Like it's going to be very tough for Caleb Johnson to be in a primary spot right away. He may work his way.

[Adam]

Not right away. Not right away. You're. I completely agree it could be a.

[Dave]

Three headed monster for a considerable amount of time.

[Adam]

But Jamie, if they love Jalen Warren so much, why do they sign a third down back? Why do they draft Caleb Johnson? Why do they never. I don't, I don't think they never give the keys.

[Jamie]

I mean listen, Jalen Warren has been, you know, kept at bay in certain regards for a long time. That's why I think they're trying to find answers. But clearly what they're seeing, you know, holding out Jalen Warren in the first two preseason games and then they come out and he's their starter like there's a huge opportunity here for him. So you know, looking at, at the chat, you're getting a lot of. I'm staying away from the Steelers running backs. I get that. You know, it's, it's not exactly a backfill. I think you want to go after. I draft a lot of Jalen Warren, but I take him as my third or fourth running back depending on the build because I still think that there's some upside there to be a strong flex. I don't think you're going to get a top 20 running back unless there's just injuries or he's their goal line guy. But I think Jaylen Warren's in a pretty good spot. Like the fact that Caleb Johnson has struggled to ascend their depth chart and the fact that Kenneth Gainwell is his main competition at this point. I think it's a good place for, for Jalen Warren's upside to, to see where he can go.

[Dave]

I don't know how you feel about PFF grades and stats guys, but I'm looking at it right now. Jaylen Warren Last year 63 pass blocking snapshots. He allowed a pressure on 10 of them. The quarterback was hurried on all 10 of them.

[Adam]

He had run over last night.

[Dave]

22.4.

[Adam]

He got run over last night, Dave. Did you see that? He got, he got crushed on pass blocking.

[Dave]

Yeah, I. So maybe it is indicative of how the Steelers intend to roll this year and maybe we know well Gainwell's grade wasn't great last year either, but he also didn't play a full allotment. Well, it is messy. It makes me want to draft both Warren and Caleb Johnson a little bit less. Now.

[Adam]

I don't know if I said this on the mailbag, but Aaron Rodgers. Oh, no, it wouldn't have been the mailbag. Would have been just yesterday's Thursday morning show. Aaron Rodgers running back target rate has been around 20% five straight years.

[Dave]

That's good.

[Adam]

That's high. Yeah, that's good. He was ninth in the NFL last year. He will dump it off to the running back, whoever's on that field on first and second down, I think. And you know, other people pointed out on X last night that this was the first time Caleb Johnson was running behind the first team offensive line and he did look a lot better. I. I think he was. He was clearly going against backups, but this was his best preseason performance, I'd have to say. I guess I'm sort of talking myself into Caleb Johnson, but you're gonna have to be patient.

[Dave]

The right point on draft day. I don't think there's a problem with it, but I. I don't. I think he was better than he was in the preseason and I think the factors that you talked about obviously matter, but he was still stopping his feet at times. You didn't really necessarily see him explode when he was running. He seemed to be going at the same speed pretty much all the way. I don't know, I. I feel like he's more of like a late round seven at best.

[Adam]

Where did I take him? I took him in round eight, right.

[Dave]

One, two, four, five.

[Adam]

Seems seven. I took him in round eight, by the way. Let's catch people up. Let's take a break and catch people up on what's been going on in the draft. But just to be official, Jamie's favorite Steelers running back is Jalen Warren. Dav. Yours is.

[Dave]

It's Warren and PPR in half ppr. Amy did it again. Tired of drafting with Jamie took Baker.

[Adam]

Baker 107th, Dave in half PPR. Which Steelers running back Still Warren. All right, let's just. Before we go to break, Dave has St. Brown and Nakua Camara. Chuba Hubbard, Tony Pollard, Ricky Pearsall, Tyrone Tracy, Tyler, Warren, you've got your tight end. You got four running backs, three receivers. You're on the clock for two picks. Go for it.

[Dave]

I am going all Jaguars running backs with my next two picks.

[Adam]

Was ETN on the board? ETN was Gone.

[Dave]

Yeah. ETN was gone. So I'm gonna take two shots at that backfield and hope that at some point this season I've got the one guy that ends up being the best one in Jacksonville.

[Adam]

Jamie took Jerome Ford. Zach took Luther Burden. I'll make my pick on the air and then we'll take a break. I'm up next. I'm on deck. I have Joe Burrow and George Kittle. I have Ashton Genty and Devon HN. I have Terry McLaurin, Travis Hunter and Rasheed Rice at Flex. I have Javante Williams and Caleb Johnson on my bench.

[Jamie]

You need some receivers.

[Adam]

I definitely need some receivers, you know, Look, Rashid Shahid is boring. He's injured, but he ain't dead. So let's draft Khalil Shakir for some PPR points. All right, quick break. We'll finish up this draft as we're already in round 10 and we have. We only have three. We have 13 rounds. It'll be done pretty soon. We'll recap our teams and other teams as well. We'll be right back. Mint is still $15 a month for premium wireless. And if you haven't made the switch yet, here are 15 reasons why you should. One, it's $15 a month. Two, seriously, it's $15 a month. Three, no big contracts. Four, I use it. Five, my mom uses it. Are you. Are you playing me off? That's what's happening, right? Okay, give it a try. @mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for three month plan.

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[Dave]

Tyler Warren, the best pick in this draft.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Adam]

Stefan Diggs.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

I think that's a good pick.

[Adam]

TJ Hawkinson. And honestly, Dave, why don't you tell us why you took Tyler Warren ahead of T.J. hawkinson in a PPR league?

[Dave]

Because I think Tyler Warren has more upside than Hawkinson. I think he's going to see plenty of targets. I believe in his talent and he's not on a team with two other really good wide receivers and I mean really good. Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. Both of them have quarterback issues. I probably like the, the quarterback in Minnesota better than the quarterbacks in Indianapolis, but when you're throwing short and intermediate passes to your big tight end with a huge catch radius, you can overcome that. I think Hawkinson will be third on the, on the target pecking order for Minnesota. I think Tyler Warren could be first on the pecking order for Indianapolis.

[Adam]

Okay. Jordan Addison, Round eight.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

I'm, I'm. I'm good with him in that range for sure.

[Adam]

Caleb Johnson, Round eight, good pick.

[Dave]

It's fine.

[Adam]

Zach Charbonnet, Round eight.

[Jamie]

Great pick.

[Dave]

I, I feel like it's a little too soon for him, but it's again fine.

[Adam]

Cooper cup, round eight, good pick.

[Dave]

It's okay.

[Adam]

Joe Mixon, 92nd overall, round eight, terrible pick.

[Jamie]

I'm kidding. Good pick.

[Dave]

I've got him closer to 100th overall, so it's not that big of a deal.

[Adam]

It wasn't me this time. Josh Downs, Round eight.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

Fine.

[Adam]

Travis etn. Round eight.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

Yeah, fine.

[Adam]

Chris Godwin, Round eight.

[Jamie]

Good.

[Dave]

Fine.

[Adam]

I, that's a tough one for me because you can't even put him on PUP and he's going to miss the first, probably the first four games.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it does sting two receiver league though. It's easy to wait it out.

[Adam]

It's true. Savion Williams, last pick of round eight.

[Jamie]

Terrible pick.

[Adam]

Yeah, don't, don't draft him. Round nine. Jaden Blue, before Javante Williams.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

I would have liked Jane Blue a little later. So not a great pick.

[Adam]

Quinton Judkins, okay pick.

[Dave]

Yeah, I would have taken Judkins a little bit later too because there's uncertainty about when he'll be back.

[Adam]

Juwan Jennings.

[Dave]

Uncertainty about when he will be back. But this is round nine.

[Adam]

This is round nine. 99th overall. Joanne Jennings.

[Dave]

It's fine. It's good.

[Adam]

Jaden Reed, Hundredth.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Michael Pittman, Good thing.

[Dave]

A little too soon for me.

[Adam]

Suck at this. Jacori Kraski, Merit 102nd.

[Jamie]

Great pick.

[Dave]

I think it's too soon.

[Adam]

By the way, Chris Rodriguez is apparently going to be the goal lineback according To Dan Quinn. So is Jacori Crosby, who's the the first one that should come off the board in that backfield.

[Dave]

Austin Eckler.

[Jamie]

Jacori Crosky. Merritt.

[Adam]

Christian Kirk. 103 overall, round nine.

[Jamie]

Good pick.

[Dave]

I think that's a very good pick.

[Adam]

Javante Williams. 104th round nine.

[Dave]

I don't know if there's a good time to draft Javante Williams.

[Jamie]

This fine spot for him. Good pick.

[Adam]

Braylon Allen.

[Jamie]

Stupid Dan. Great pick.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Austin Eckler.

[Dave]

Great pick.

[Adam]

Baker Mayfield. Awesome pick by Jamie. Tank Bigsby for Dave. And that brings us to round 10. Hold on, I'm on the clock here. See, I think I just have some luxury. I can do whatever the heck I want. You guys have been touting Demario Douglas, so I'm going to listen to you. But I should look at the running backs who are available too. Ooh.

[Dave]

Oh, you make these noises. You should probably say some names.

[Adam]

Tajie Spears. I think he's being way undervalued. No, he's got the high ankle sprain. That sucks. He's probably not going to play week one based on what I. Well, whatever. I'm planning on him not playing week one. I still think they have said over and over they want to have a split backfield here. More Taije Spears. The only reason he's available at 128th overall is the injury. I can wait it out. So I took Taj Spears. Now, Jamie, you can draft a Mario Douglas if he falls to you. Ali Gordon went right after Tajie Spears.

[Jamie]

You should have taken him. That's what I was hoping to get.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's.

[Adam]

Oh, God. I have H and I. What's wrong with me?

[Jamie]

They're not good at that.

[Adam]

Well, you can't draft. You can't draft and host. You can't draft and host two picks.

[Jamie]

Right in front of me that I wanted.

[Adam]

But honestly, like, I like Spears so much more than Ollie Gordon. Ollie Gordon. What was his 40 time? It was like a 10 second 40. It was 46 something, I think. 4, 6, 1. That is not good. He is just not.

[Dave]

No, it wasn't. But this dude led the FBS in rushing two years ago. He's very talented. He ran with physicality in the practice against Jacksonville, which is something we haven't really seen from. From the other Dolphins running backs. I. I think he might.

[Adam]

I like Spears.

[Dave]

I don't think he'll necessarily have like a huge role. He's not going to take a Chan off the field very much. But, like It's. It's a guy that might get in the neighborhood of seven to eight touches a week. You can catch the ball, and if Achan is hurt, Alec Gordon can end up being a. A total steal at this point. I, I love taking the chance with him in this range.

[Adam]

Jamie are on the clock with one second left. Oh, no. Ray Davis. You have James Cook, right?

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

All right, so this is a good time to ask this question, right? You just heard me take Spears over Ali Gordon and then kind of lament it. But actually reflecting on it, I think Spears was the right pick because we. It's not. We have no. Don't know the severity of Jalen Wright's injury, first of all. And they say they're being cautious with Devon Hn. You gotta be a little concerned. But they say they're just holding him out precautionary. But do you take your handcuff or do you take a different team's handcuff? Because then if. If I have a Chan and he stays healthy and I have Spears and Pollard gets hurt, well, then all of a sudden I'm just completely loaded at running back. So what's the philosophy for you, Dave?

[Dave]

On which. On taking your handcuff, your own backup versus somebody else's. In the case of a Chan, I think it makes sense to get your own handcuff. Any. Any running back that you draft where in the back of your mind you're worried about an injury and you believe in the guy behind him. I think it's worth doing. If I drafted Kenneth Walker, I'm going to go out of my way to get Zach Charbonnet, and then I've got that Seattle backfield which is supposed to run the football and do it better than they did last year. I have it locked up. I've got an RB2 and like a high end RB2.

[Jamie]

I think, though, that that's a tough example, though, because you have to commit so much earlier to.

[Dave]

I agree, but that's the type of thing that you should do. And you should think about when you lay out the order in which you're going to pick players. And you have to say to yourself, okay, if I get Ken Walker in round three or round four, I've got to spend that round eight pick on Zach Charbonnet. And I, I hope I get him in round eight because a lot of other people are going to go after him. Achan is banged up getting Ollie Gordon. It would make sense. Christian McCaffrey, Once Upon a time got banged up. Isaac Arendo did Great. I'd love to pair those two guys. And so in those instances where you've got a running back that you're fine starting and you're happy that you have them, but you know that there's a chance that they could get hurt along the way. And the backup running back is very good. You take the backup, you at least target the. The backup.

[Adam]

Did someone take Jalen Wright already? Wow, that surprised me. I just figured I would take Jalen Wright, but he's gone.

[Jamie]

He went before Gordon.

[Adam]

He went before Gordon. I didn't even realize that.

[Dave]

I don't understand that.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think you said if you think the backup running back's good. I'm not sure about that. With Ali Gordon, I don't think they're going to use him in the passing game. Really.

[Jamie]

Right. But if.

[Dave]

No, I think they could.

[Jamie]

Again, anybody drafting this weekend is looking at there's a chance that HN could be out for week one. There's a chance now Jalen Wright could be out for week one. There's a chance that Ollie Gordon is the starting running back against the Indianapolis Colts. So in the case of where you were drafting, I think it would have made more sense for your team. And based on how the injury is going, you may have been able to get Spears on the way back.

[Adam]

Possibly. But he was the highest ranked running back in the consensus rankings that I. That I'm using in this draft room.

[Jamie]

But I think just for your roster build, taking Ollie Gordon would have made more sense.

[Dave]

Jamie, was Taje on your radar?

[Jamie]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dave]

Okay. He wasn't on mine.

[Jamie]

I wasn't, I wasn't like going out of my way to draft him. I think just honestly, I was going out of my way to draft Ali Gordon. He was my next highest rated running back.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, so listen, so you know, I have a team that. Because I took a tight end in round three and a quarterback in round four, and I took Genti and hn. Right. So you got to pay attention. I had to obviously spend capital at wide receiver, which I did in rounds five, six, seven with McLaurin, Hunter, Rasheed Rice. But I could have no HN in week one. So who am I starting in week one? Javante Williams, Caleb Johnson? Maybe Ali Gordon made more sense. I don't. I can't sit here and say in week one that for sure Ali Gordon is going to be better than Javante Williams. I'm fine starting Javante Williams if I have to. I mean, hopefully I'm starting a chan, but just keep that in mind, if you do a build like mine where you, where you force yourself to load up at wide receiver in the mid rounds, you can't take good running back value there because you already have, you know, Genti and hn. You have to take wide receivers. You don't have any. Well, you know, if Hn's one of your running backs, you better be prepared to have someone good to start at running back and week one.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, first off, you got a gift with Rashi Rice, so that helps. I think just again, knowing your, your build and specifically the players that you have, like getting the opportunity to maybe just lock up that Dolphins backfield, even if you just. You may need them for week one. I mean, what if McLaurin doesn't play in week one? I'm not saying he's not. He's not going to be on the roster or anything like that, but hasn't practiced. And what if Rice's suspension gets changed from week one?

[Adam]

Oh, listen, I'm going to lose the week one. Joe Burrow's got Cleveland, right?

[Jamie]

Oh, he'll be fine.

[Adam]

They're never good at Cleveland. He's. Well, he scored 28 points against them in week 16, but at Cleveland, he scored 19 points in weeks. I'm going to forget it. H hands out. Burrow's going to suck at Cleveland. Travis Hunter is going to play defense the entire time. I'm going to lose.

[Jamie]

We didn't know they were playing this league out for a thousand dollars. Yeah.

[Adam]

Let's catch up on some picks here. We were in round 10. I'll go back to round 10 and we don't have to do the, you know, rate the picks again, but I'll just tell people who was taken in round 10. It was Basil Tutin, Jerome Ford, Luther Burden, Tucker Kraft, Khalil Shakir, Trey Benson, Cam Scatter, Boo Bonix, Ramondre Stevenson, Brian Robinson Jr. This is an interesting flyer to take. Darnell Mooney, Jalen Wright.

[Jamie]

You probably should have taken Brian Robinson Jr. Because he may be the Dolphins started running back in week one.

[Adam]

Never know. Rashad Bateman in round 11, then Evan Ingram, Nick Chubb. That's an interesting pick with Mix and possibly starting on the PUP list.

[Jamie]

Good value.

[Adam]

And I would say that if he had been available where I had taken Spears, I would have taken Chubb. Nick Chubb, Drake May, Keenan Allen, Dak Prescott, Brandon Ayuk, Tajay Spears, Ali Gordon, Colston, Loveland, Ray Davis and Jared Goff. Round 12. We're in. We're in our last five picks. How about that?

[Jamie]

Yeah, you're on the clock, too. All right.

[Adam]

I'm just going to take.

[Jamie]

You should do friendship strategy right here. Perfect spot for you.

[Adam]

Well, who do I have? Who's my friendship strategy?

[Jamie]

Take Troy Franklin or Pat Bryant?

[Adam]

No, I'm not. No, I'm not spending two picks on Denver wide receivers. No way. There's not a tight end that I like. I have Kittle, but there's not like a good.

[Jamie]

Take Josh Palmer, then take Marquis Brown.

[Adam]

I'm not taking these bums. I'm going to take Caleb Williams, see if I hit the lottery.

[Jamie]

So you have Joe Burrow.

[Adam]

What if Burrow gets hurt?

[Jamie]

Jamie, you have a questionable receiving core and maybe a running back that's not there.

[Adam]

I don't have a questionable receiving core. I have an amazing receiving core.

[Jamie]

I've.

[Adam]

It's fine. I have rasheed rice, terry mclaurin, both of these guys. Top 16 per game last year. I have Travis Hunter, who's the greatest player in football history, maybe. And then I have Khalil Shakir and Marvin Mims. I'm fine. No, I. I get. Look, we tell people to spend picks on running backs who have no value unless there's an injury. We say, go ahead, Jamie, and you take Ray Davis in round 11. He's not going to be worth squat unless James Cook gets hurt. But I'm not allowed to draft Caleb Williams, who. Who could be really good this year and use him as a handcuff for Joe Burrow. Because if Burrow gets hurt, at least I can turn to Caleb Williams. This philosophy makes no sense. I am right about picking two quarterbacks. I will take that to my grave.

[Jamie]

You are correct in.

[Dave]

In.

[Jamie]

In one regard, Dave. How do you value Caleb Williams versus Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, JJ McCarthy to a tongue about loa. CJ Stroud, how do you value Caleb Williams? Better by leaps and bounds? In the same range? Worse.

[Dave]

He'S in between McCarthy and Stroud. So there are at least three quarterbacks on the waiver wire that I would rather have than Caleb Williams at this point. Now, if Caleb Williams just catches total fire, he pulls a Jaden Daniels in his second season, then maybe you've got something there, Adam. And maybe you could trade one of your quarterbacks.

[Adam]

Exactly.

[Dave]

But that's the only way it really pays off.

[Adam]

Okay, that's fine. I'll take that gamble. Guess what?

[Jamie]

Why'd you not take one of your guys, though? Romeo Dobbs was there.

[Adam]

I. Romeo Dobbs is. Is fine. He's not going to catch fire and be and become somebody that I could make a trade.

[Jamie]

You're never playing Caleb Williams. Unless Joe Burrow gets hurt. You may have to start Romeo.

[Adam]

And by the way, all those. All those quarterbacks that you mentioned, this is what's going to happen. All those quarterbacks that you mentioned on the waiver wire, Jordan Love and Tuatanga by Loa and Trevor Lawrence and all that after week one, you're going to drop the garbage player that you put. You're going to Josh Palmers and the Jake Fergusons of the world.

[Dave]

If Trevor Lawrence dropped my last pick in an hour.

[Adam]

Yeah. You drafted Adam Thielen. If Trevor Lawrence has a big week and looks like he could be primed for a big season, you're going to drop the garbage player at the end of your bench and you're going to pick up those quarterbacks in the first couple of weeks.

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And.

[Adam]

And all of a sudden this whole argument that I could just play the waiver wire, it's not going to really exist anymore. It's going to exist, but not in quite as good of a fashion because these quarterbacks are going to get picked up if they are good. So just. I don't want to hear that. I didn't drag Josh Palmer.

[Jamie]

A handful of wide receivers and a handful of running backs.

[Adam]

What's that?

[Jamie]

If. If that's the case, there's going to be a handful of wide receivers and running backs you're going to pick up off waivers too.

[Adam]

But they're not going to be good. Josh Palmer, he had his opportunity last year. He's. He's nothing. He's not fantasy relevant.

[Dave]

He looked pretty good in practice.

[Adam]

Good for him. He's not fantasy relevant. We know who Josh Palmer is.

[Dave]

I agree. I'm just messing around.

[Jamie]

Johnny. Airport. He's the best.

[Adam]

Okay. Johnny says Adam doesn't like admitting mistakes at home. It's never his fault that the toilet seat has been left up. Johnny.

[Jamie]

Andrew.

[Adam]

What did you do?

[Jamie]

Andrew.

[Adam]

Johnny, you don't know anything about me in my house, okay? What? You should know that I have a monster cat who is ruining my life who drinks from the toilet because she thinks she's a dog or something. So we have a very strict rule. Toilet seat is always down.

[Jamie]

Your cat.

[Adam]

She. She clot. She's not that big.

[Jamie]

How little is your toilet?

[Adam]

No, cats are very spry, you know.

[Jamie]

Do you use the little potty training toilet for yourself? Yes. You do. You absolutely do.

[Adam]

I don't have one of those. Jamie. My kids are potty trained. I never had one of those. We never had one of those. We never did the little things we did.

[Jamie]

Love this conversation.

[Adam]

Oh, oh, and another thing, while we're on the subject, you did a great job on the tennis match, but you kept referencing this story about how I clogged Nando's toilet. This was so unfair. An abuse of your power with me not being able to say anything. Nando's toilet was broken. I. I went number one, and I tried to flush, and it didn't work. I did not clog his toilet. Okay, let's talk about our team.

[Jamie]

Okay, I'll rephrase it. You overflowed his toilet.

[Adam]

Let's talk about our teams. Let's.

[Dave]

I. I think it's one man's word versus another.

[Adam]

I didn't over. And I would.

[Dave]

I would lean with the homeowner in this case.

[Adam]

No.

[Jamie]

He came into my house. It was a. It was a Thursday, bro.

[Dave]

I had a perfectly working toilet.

[Jamie]

And then he. He proceeded to. I can't say it. I'll get in trouble.

[Dave]

He soiled the sanctity of my American Standard.

[Adam]

Yeah, listen, if I'm gonna do that, it would have to be an emergency for me to use someone's bathroom. Okay. For that. At, like, someone else's. Grow up, People hold it in. You're at a friend's house, hold it in and wait for. Wait to get home. Who does that?

[Jamie]

I couldn't hold it in. I gave him beans for lunch.

[Adam]

Let's pick Dave. Let's pick an interesting build at the. At the beginning of the.

[Jamie]

Rj.

[Adam]

Yeah, let's talk about RJ Thomas. I am having a little bit of trouble seeing which. Can you take. Yeah. Thank you. RJ had the third pick, and he went receiver, receiver, receiver. I think I hate his team. So Jefferson, A.J.

[Jamie]

I would love it if it was.

[Adam]

Walker and Swift instead of Breeze hall and Swift.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Walker and hall.

[Adam]

Actually, getting A.J. brown around, too, is pretty freaking cool. Jefferson, A.J. brown, T. Higgins to start. Now, remember, that's a.

[Dave]

That's a banger start.

[Adam]

But that's his full ppr, though. That's his flex there. So he could have.

[Jamie]

Great.

[Adam]

He could have taken. How do you pass up Bucky Irving, though, for T. Higgins?

[Dave]

I would have taken Bucky, too, but maybe he didn't like Bucky. Maybe he doesn't believe in him.

[Jamie]

Maybe if you play it out differently, and he goes, jefferson, Brown, Bucky. And then instead of Breeze hall, it's Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison or Jameson Williams, whoever you want to, you know, put there We're.

[Adam]

Sutton, George Pickens or Sutton Sutton.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Any of those receivers, like, that might be an awesome.

[Dave]

I agree with you.

[Adam]

All right, but let's play that. Let's play it out anyway. So he goes, Jefferson, A.J. brown, T. Higgins, Breece Hall, DeAndre Swift. That could have been Ken Walker. DeAndre Swift. That could have been Ken Walker, Pacheco, Connor, whatever.

[Dave]

Yeah, Ken Walker and Pacheco would have been better, sure. But he goes, can. Can.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I love it. I love it. Then he gets the fact that he. And he stole Jerry Judy as his fourth receiver, and then I think getting Jalen Warren and Travis Etienne, like, that's a pretty solid running back core of, you know, we're obviously, I think, lower on Breeze Hall. Everybody loves Bruce hall still. So Bruce Hall, DeAndre Swift, Jalen Warren, Travis CTN. The way he started his team with four receivers in his first six picks, like, that's pretty awesome.

[Adam]

I don't know. I'm not feeling it. First of all, he's got.

[Dave]

I would have liked it better either if he took Bucky third and then another receiver where he took Swift or Hall, or if he had stuck with the first three receivers and gone with Walker and Connor in rounds four and five. I'm fine with Judy in six.

[Adam]

Oh, by the way, he's got Brock Purdy, and he crafted all the running backs.

[Dave]

If he had taken Walker, he could have had. When was Charbonnet drafted? Well, listen, Charbonnet in seven, but.

[Adam]

But also, he. His last two picks were Purdy and Goddard, so I think we're not playing this out, but I think RJ probably goes into this going. Jerry Judy's my number four wide receiver. Juwan Jennings my number five wide receiver. I've got some trade possibilities here because, like, I don't want to be super weak at. I don't want to go three receivers and. And be. And have Goddard. I don't know.

[Jamie]

I don't probably trade you Jerry Judy for the best quarterback ever, Caleb Williams. He's got the best arm ever.

[Dave]

Rock Purdy.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to one more team. Let's go to one team in the middle. Who do you want to talk about? You want to talk about the. Maybe the Barkley Kyron team?

[Dave]

Why don't we look at Joel's team? Because he took a tight end and a quarterback with two of his first picks.

[Adam]

Okay, so this is team seven. So he goes McCaffrey, Brock Bowers in round two, Josh Allen in round three, Garrett Wilson, Tetaro McMillan and his RB2 is Aaron Jones in round six. Romo Dunes a round seven. Zach Charbonnet, round eight. So his starting lineup is Josh Allen at quarterback, Brock Bowers at tight end, Christian McCaffrey and Aaron Jones with Charbonnet on the bench and Trey Benson on the bench. Garrett Wilson, Tetaroa McMillan, Romo Dunes, A. I guess Odunze is the flex and Christian Kirk's on. On the bench.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I hate it.

[Adam]

Oh, that's funny. I don't.

[Dave]

I. I don't love it. You know, in exchange for having one of the top tight ends and one of the top quarterbacks, he's kind of okay at RB2, and he's kind of okay at flex.

[Adam]

What would have made it better, Jamie, if he had taken Montgomery instead of Aaron Jones?

[Jamie]

Definitely that for me, at least. And then I probably would have taken. In his situation. I definitely would have taken Rashi Rice over a Dunze. Like, that would have been fantastic. I would take a Myers over a Dunes. I would have taken Coleman over Dunes. They would have taken Digs over Dunes. They like. I just think you need a little bit more security there. I love the Chardonnay pick. I think Kirk is a great pick, you know, so, like what he did at the back end of the draft and, you know, even taking a flyer on iuk. But I just don't love some of the selections there.

[Dave]

Okay, but it's important to think Benson over Isaac Garendo. He took iu.

[Adam]

Hold on, Dave. Hold on.

[Dave]

He almost had Garendo where he took pits.

[Adam]

More important thing is you can, you know, debate the picks. The build could have worked, right?

[Jamie]

Yeah, the build could have worked, absolutely.

[Adam]

So if you want to do this, if you want to go McCaffrey, Bowers, Josh Allen, and then it maybe Garrett Wilson doesn't fall there, but you could still take Devonte Adams. Yeah, right. You could have had your wide receiver one there. Tetarola McMillan in round five. We. We like. Then you take David Montgomery in round six or Aaron Jones, if you like him. It can work. It can work. All right, let's talk about our teams here. I had the next pick. Weird, weird team for me. Genti Achan Kittle, Joe Burrow, like a kind of exciting start. Terry McLaurin. Terry. Yeah, Terry McLaurin. Travis Hunter, Rashid Rice. I mean, the Rashi Rice pick kind of saved this team. Of course, Caleb Johnson, Javante Williams and Tajie Spears on my bench. I actually like that Khalil Shakir is my wide receiver 4. I wish that were someone else, but it's okay. And Marvin Mims I took a shot on. And then Caleb Williams. So I start Burrow at quarterback, Kittle at tight end, Genti and hopefully Achan McLaurin. Travis Hunter at receiver, Rashee Rice at flex. I actually really like this team. I think it turned out good enough. Got lucky with Rashid rice. Jamie pick 11. Go ahead and take us through your team quarterback.

[Jamie]

We Baker Mayfield. I think that's great value for him. Where I got him, which was round nine. Nine, Derek Henry, James Cook at running back. Brian Thomas, Jr. Ameca Buka. Potentially as a number two receiver or Calvin Ridley and that in that spot Trayvon Henderson at flex and tight end was just take the last two picks with Dalton Kincaid and Jake Ferguson. Hope for the best bench receivers will be either Calvin Ridley or Abuka. Keon Coleman, Stefan Diggs and backup running backs would be Jerome Ford and Ray Davis. Ford could be a flex for me also. I wouldn't start him over Henderson, Cook or Henry, but Ford should get off to a good start. With the Browns running back situation being what it is, I like this team a lot.

[Adam]

Okay, so again, Jamie's starting lineup is gonna be Baker Mayfield, who he took late with Dalton Kincaid or Jake Ferguson. And then the strength is going to be at receiver and running back. Derrick Henry, James Cook. Let's call Travion Henderson our maybe flex. Maybe we wait a week or two. Brian Thomas and then you have a Mecca Abuca or Calvin Ridley. Those guys could be receiver two and flex. Very, very strong at receiver. And Keon Coleman, Stefon Diggs, Jerome Ford, Ray Davis on the bench question. Just going to address this question real quick from the chat. Rasheed Rice may not play six to eight weeks of the season. Right. How is taking him over Odunze a win? Well, the theory is Rice is going to be much better than Odunze in full PPR when he's healthy. And that's going to go a long way. I mean, Rashid Rice was the number two or three wide receiver per game last year. He was something like number 12 in the last six games of his rookie season. Odunze's obviously got to prove it. And then there just is this possibility that through appeals and through the. The arbitrator maybe taking a long time or the judge taking a long time to make a decision. We just. This could really linger. We don't know that he's going to miss six to eight games, but it's a good question. It's a good decision that all of you are going to have to make.

[Jamie]

Individually on I think Armin just had a good point, too, at least the beginning part of it. In his message. Rice will be the guy when he plays, and Odunze still got to prove himself. So there is a chance that by the time, and it may be a good pairing of Rice and Odunze, if you could pull it off by the time Odunze starts to get looking like the guy that he could be, which will probably take a week or two in the season. That's when Rice suspension hits. But I think it also, you know, you look at the build, you know, so we had discussed, Adam, that you could have taken Rice, where you took Hunter and figured out the third receiver spot coming back, which could have been, let's say, Jacoby Myers, right? Then you get those four games of Rice, maybe four plus. But given your build, like, that's huge. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right. Sorry, Jim. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Dave, your team, you also waited at quarterback and tight end. You took Tyler Warren in round eight, Jared Goff in round 11. And how do you. How does your team turn out?

[Dave]

Well, let's just start with Jamie's idiom of know your foe. I used idiom the correct way there, didn't I?

[Adam]

Yeah, I think so.

[Dave]

Okay. If not, then I'm an idiot. And you can call me an idiot in the comments. You do anyway. But I was sniped on each of my first five picks in the odd rounds. Jamie took Henry, Cook, Abuka, Coleman, Baker before I could get my hands on them. So if you're drafting with friends and you know how your friends draft, use that to your advantage. This is a good example of that. That being said, I was still able to take players that I wanted. I'd never felt like I was in a position where I had to reach too far for somebody. Maybe Chuba went a half round too soon, but I really wanted to be sure that I had a really good RB2 and. And I'm totally fine waiting on quarterback until it's a fair value. Waiting on tight end until it's a fair value. I don't know if Warren in the first pick of round eight is the fairest of values, but I'm just very bullish on him. And, and I love the depth that I have at running back. I'm good with the depth at receiver. I can always find other receivers. I know I only have five guys and one of them might be useless by the time we get to week one, but I. I feel strong. I feel like this is a good, competitive team.

[Adam]

I. I'm just wondering at the 34 turn you took Camara and Hubbard, do you give and then Henderson was the next pick. Did you give thought to Henderson or Harvey there just to say, all right, I'm gonna take one veteran and one exciting rookie and see what happens?

[Dave]

No, because it's not like Chuba Hubbard is an older player either and he's coming off of a year where he averaged 16 PPR points per game. And as much as I love Henderson and Harvey, I worry about those guys getting that high on a per game average.

[Adam]

All right, that is it for today's show. I want to thank everybody for watching and listening again. YouTube.com fantasy football today if you want to see the results. But Jamie, you're going to publish a story on this as well.

[Jamie]

Should be up by the end of the day.

[Adam]

Excellent. We'll see you at 1pm Eastern on CBS Sports Network. For Dave, Jamie and Thomas, I am Adam. Have a great day. Talk to you soon. Paramount Podcasts now streaming on Paramount plus It's an all new season of adventures.

[Dave]

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[Adam]

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