LV-KC and Thanksgiving Game Previews, Side Dishes, Rest of Season Rankings (11/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Episode Summary: LV-KC and Thanksgiving Game Previews, Side Dishes, Rest of Season Rankings (11/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Release Date: November 27, 2024

Hosts and Analysts:

• Adam Aizer – Host
• Dave Richard – Analyst
• Jamie Eisenberg – Analyst
• Heath Cummings – Analyst
• Jacob – Contributor

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1. Introduction and Weekly Highlights

The episode kicks off with the hosts extending warm Thanksgiving greetings to their listeners, acknowledging the holiday's arrival and the impact it has on their usual podcast schedule. Jacob humorously points out the hosts' matching outfits, setting a jovial tone for the discussion ahead.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (03:02): "Welcome to the show. It's Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook. Born in Vegas."

2. Player News and Rankings

a. J.K. Dobbins Injury and Gus Edwards Analysis

The team breaks down the recent injury news, revealing that J.K. Dobbins has suffered a knee sprain that will sideline him for at least one game, affecting his performances at Atlanta, Kansas City, and Tampa Bay. This development thrusts Gus Edwards into a more prominent role, raising questions about his viability in fantasy lineups.

Notable Quote:

• Heath Cummings (05:22): "Gus Edwards is facing a Falcons defense that has not allowed a hundred-yard rusher all season long and has only allowed three rushing touchdowns to running backs. If you don't catch passes, you don't have success against them."

Analysis Highlights:

• Gus Edwards has struggled with efficiency, averaging only 0.10 yards per rush and showing a lack of explosiveness, making him a risky start despite favorable matchups.
• Jeremy McNichols and Amir Abdullah are discussed as potential alternatives, with Heath expressing skepticism about Gus Edwards' effectiveness.

b. Side Dishes: Rest of Season Rankings with Thanksgiving Analogies

In a creative segment, the hosts liken fantasy football players to Thanksgiving side dishes to determine their desirability for the rest of the season.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (10:58): "I had sweet potatoes in the middle and stuffing the best. And like I said, that's not even my call. That's not even. I'm not the stuffing guy."

Player-Side Dish Correlations:

• Worst Side Dish: Dinner Rolls
  • Anthony Richardson is humorously compared to dinner rolls, implying he's the least desirable option.
• Mid-Range Side Dish: Corn Soufflé
  • Jared Goff and DeAndre Swift are likened to corn soufflé, suggesting moderate reliability.
• Best Side Dish: Mashed Potatoes
  • Bo Nicks is deemed the mashed potatoes of the group, indicating top-tier performance potential.

Notable Quote:

• Jacob (12:44): "As long as you guys can kind of wrap it up with a, you know, concise non food like, like Dave just did, then it'll be fine."

c. Player Rankings: Richardson, Bucky Irving, Jared Goff

The discussion continues with rankings for Anthony Richardson, Bucky Irving, and Jared Goff, each assessed based on their projected performance and matchup strengths.

Notable Quotes:

• Jacob (12:59): "Bucky Irving is better than corn souffle. He's really, really good and he's really earned it."
• Heath Cummings (13:42): "Nick's is the mashed potatoes because he's been fantastic basically everywhere, always hard to mess it up."

3. Rest of Season Rankings: Christian McCaffrey, Ken Walker, Chase Brown

The hosts evaluate Christian McCaffrey, Ken Walker, and Chase Brown, comparing their potential contributions to fantasy teams for the remainder of the season.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (14:43): "Christian McCaffrey is... not going to have success against them [the Falcons]."

Analysis Highlights:

• Chase Brown emerges as the preferred choice, offering consistent opportunities and performance.
• Ken Walker and Christian McCaffrey are viewed with caution due to recent performance dips and challenging matchups.

4. Workhorse to Watch: Nick Chubb

In the "Workhorse to Watch" segment, Nick Chubb is spotlighted for his workload and potential impact in the upcoming week.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (30:41): "And Jamie, I'm going to nominate Nick Chubb this week for our workhorse to watch because he had 20 carries last week but only 59 yards, two touchdowns..."

Analysis Highlights:

• Despite his high usage, Nick Chubb's efficiency remains a concern, especially against a tough Falcons defense.
• Jamie Eisenberg advises caution, suggesting alternative options like Jerome Ford for safer starts.

5. Game Previews

a. Chicago Bears vs. Detroit Lions

The hosts delve into the upcoming matchup between the Chicago Bears and the Detroit Lions, focusing on wide receiver performances and defensive strengths.

Notable Quote:

• Jamie Eisenberg (37:03): "Amara St. Brown is a no-brainer. I would consider using him just because of the week."

Key Points:

• Amara St. Brown, DJ Moore, and Keenan Allen are highlighted as key receivers for the Bears, each with substantial target volumes.
• The Lions' defense is praised for its ability to stifle wide receiver performances, making certain Bears receivers more valuable.
• Jared Goff's potential resurgence against the Lions' defensive setup is discussed, with Jamie tentatively ranking him as QB12.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (40:43): "I think we’ll see how Jared Goff stacks up... he's a starter if you've been starting him, not necessarily a slam dunk."

b. Las Vegas Raiders vs. Kansas City Chiefs

The episode transitions to preview the Las Vegas Raiders taking on the Kansas City Chiefs, analyzing quarterback performances and running back potentials.

Notable Quote:

• Jamie Eisenberg (71:51): "Mahomes is the number one quarterback projected by SportsLine."

Key Points:

• Patrick Mahomes is lauded for his stellar performance and is projected as a top quarterback this week.
• Kareem Hunt and other Chiefs running backs are evaluated for their roles and potential fantasy impact.
• The Chiefs' defensive vulnerabilities against wide receivers are noted, especially with key cornerbacks sidelined.

Notable Quote:

• Heath Cummings (72:48): "I would rather Kareem Hunt be the one I want to start. But I'll probably have Hunt just ahead of DeAndre Swift, well ahead of Nick Chubb."

6. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes

As the episode wraps up, the hosts summarize the key takeaways, emphasizing the importance of player matchups and the impact of Thanksgiving on typical podcast activities. They announce upcoming shows, including a starter sit segment for AFC home games and a preview of the rest of the NFC slate.

Notable Quote:

• Adam Aizer (76:23): "We'll talk to you later tonight with more Fantasy Football Today. Paramount Podcasts."

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Conclusion

This episode of Fantasy Football Today provides in-depth analysis of key player injuries, strategic rankings correlated with Thanksgiving side dishes, and comprehensive game previews. The hosts offer valuable insights into optimizing fantasy lineups for the upcoming matchups, blending humor with expert advice to help listeners dominate their leagues.

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Disclaimer: All player rankings and analyses are based on the discussions from the November 27, 2024, episode of Fantasy Football Today. Listeners should consider their individual league settings and perform additional research before making lineup decisions.

Transcript

[Adam]

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[Heath]

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports.

[Jamie]

What a play.

[Adam]

Can you believe this?

[Jacob]

No, I can't.

[Heath]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Dave]

Off to the race and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance.

[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Dave]

All right. Happy Thanksgiving. Eve, everybody. Look at Eve. Look at little eth over there.

[Jacob]

He's at the kitty table.

[Dave]

Welcome to the show. It's fantasy football today presented by bet, mgm, the sportsbook. Born in Vegas. I'm Adam Mazer here with Dave Richard in studio. Happy Thanksgiving, Eve. Dave, we're not gonna do a show on Thanksgiving. We're doing a show tonight. Me, Heath and Jamie, the Thursday show. So Happy Thanksgiving.

[Jacob]

You just wake up. Your eyelids are heavy.

[Dave]

Really?

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Dave]

No, it looked like you either just.

[Jacob]

Woke up or just came out of my living room when the sun came in and it was steam smoky in there.

[Dave]

No, no.

[Heath]

You guys were matching outfits this morning.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Heath]

My family does matching pajamas on Christmas. I didn't know that some families did it on Thanksgiving.

[Jacob]

This is a jacket. It's not. It's the same color. Fine.

[Dave]

I had the same thought that we do look kind of a similar. All right. Hey, check us out.

[Jacob]

Finally.

[Dave]

Handsome slash Fantasy Football Today. YouTube.com fantasy football today. If you want to see our cool studio, Jamie will be joining us shortly. Let's start with the big news. What we're going to do today is we're going to talk about four games, the three games on Thanksgiving plus the Chiefs and Raiders on Friday. And we're gonna do rest of season rankings with correlating with Thanksgiving side dishes. We just have to some sort of agree on the best and worst Thanksgiving side dishes.

[Heath]

So I know you get really mad when we criticize your segments or your ideas. And so I try not to do it. It's usually Jamie that's doing this, but he's not here. I feel like it's my responsibility.

[Dave]

Sure.

[Heath]

Shouldn't this have been like Week 13 rankings since most of these things we're only eating this week and not eating them rest of season?

[Dave]

I think, I mean, I think that could work. We could do, we could do this week rankings. I just didn't want to do a full show about this week. But rankings.

[Heath]

I thought you meant the foods.

[Dave]

Now.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Dave]

I don't even know what that means. Let's start with the big news though. J.K. dobbins has a knee sprain. He's going to miss at least one game at Atlanta this week and then at Kansas City and then Tampa Bay. So Gus Edwards steps up into a bigger role. Gus Edwards, let me see, he was about 50 rostered yesterday. He is currently 60 rostered but people do run waivers on Wednesday night. So Heath, you were not on the waiver wire show. Where do you come out now on Gus Edwards compared to if Amir Abdullah were available? Jeremy McNichols with by the way, the Commanders took Chris Rodriguez on, put him on the active roster. So now. Yeah, talk about these replacement running backs.

[Heath]

Yeah, I, I think as of right now I would go with the commanders, Jeremy McNichols and then Amir Abdullah and then Gus Edwards. And I had a thread on Blue sky yesterday kind of talking about Gus Edwards and his rushing so far this season and this is like one of my favorite stats ever. There have been three running backs this season with double digit touches and single digit fantasy points against the Panthers, Gus Edwards, Amir White and Javante Williams. There have been two running backs all season with double digit touches and single digit fantasy points against the Las Vegas Raiders, Gus Edwards and Javonte Williams. Gus Edwards has the lowest avoid rate in the NFL. He is the only player in the NFL with 60 rush attempts and zero explosive runs runs of at least 12 yards. He is, wow, dead last amongst running backs and weighted yards created per opportunity. He is creating 0.10 yards per rush and he doesn't catch any passes. And I know like it's a terrible matchup for Jerry McNichols but Gus Edwards is facing a Falcons defense that has not allowed a hundred yard rusher all season long and has only allowed three rushing touchdowns to running backs. Like if you don't catch passes, you don't have success against them. So I'm pretty out on Gus Edwards.

[Dave]

If you can't tell, I can tell. Okay. Now he might maybe be in line though. Hey Jamie.

[Jamie]

Good morning.

[Dave]

For more of an extended run than the other guys because Alexander Madison was limited in practice and the Commanders have a buy and then you certainly Eckler will be back after the buy. I don't know about.

[Jacob]

We don't know for sure.

[Dave]

So does it make sense from that standpoint to think if I need someone for multiple weeks, nobody's on a buy this week. If I need someone for multiple weeks, maybe it's Edwards?

[Jacob]

No, because I, I'm so worried. I, I am very confident on top of all the things that he said and they're all valid. I'm very confident that the Chargers will use multiple running backs. Technically, they were using three running backs before Dobbins got hurt. Hassan Haskins was working in a little bit more. Gus was playing like around 10, 15 snaps a game and then Dobbins was handling the rest, including the passing downs. I'm not, I'd like to think that it would be Kamani Vadal coming off of the inactive list and being activated and being in tandem with Gus Edwards and Haskins still in that small role, but I can't guarantee that that's going to be the case. But I can say that it's, it's unlikely that Gus Edwards is suddenly going to fall into playing 60 of the snaps running 10 routes a game. You know, he's, he's going to be this touchdown dependent and volume dependent running back and, and he just showed us that even when he's got volume, it doesn't necessarily mean he's going to get a lot of fantasy points. Last year, positive rushing yardage on the carries that he had and he took over late in the game for Jake in second half basically for J.K. dobbins. So I, I'm, I'm nervous about Gus too. I think the reason why you start him is because he could fall into the end zone and maybe get 30, 40 yards on top of it. The floor is ugly if he doesn't score.

[Heath]

Two, two quick thing. Well, the floor is ugly if he does score. He scored last week and scored 7.1 fantasy points. He had some and somebody in the chat said he's going to get 15 touches this week. I think that's accurate. He had 18 touches against the Panthers and scored 5.9 fantasy points.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He might get multiple weeks. Yay. He gets the chiefs in week 14. Yeah.

[Jacob]

And the offensive line for the Chargers, like it was supposed to be this amazing unit. I remember watching Dobbins film from week 11 and it took a while for them to really gel against Cincinnati and Dobbins, I think it was his last carry of the third quarter, finally started to break free and have some yards. So it's not even like an amazing offensive line and that's going to be a problem for a heavy footed running back like Gu.

[Dave]

Okay. All right. Just to let everybody know, we do not have a mailbag episode this week. So we will be back with the mailbox. What?

[Jacob]

Why not?

[Dave]

I'm traveling so doing on the plane. Also Thanksgiving is a week where we get, we really don't get many emails so we'll get more Next week. But every year it's like this. Like, people are traveling and whatever. So have a wonderful Thanksgiving. But there will be no mailbag. We'll come back with a mailbag next week and we'll of course have the Sunday programming. 10am Eastern you on CBS Sports HQ with Jamie and the gang and 11:30am Eastern. YouTube.com fantasy football today, me, Dave and Heath will be answering your questions Sunday morning, 11:30am YouTube.com fantasy football today. Okay, so we. I wanted to do rest of you now. Let's keep it rest of season. Right? Rest of season side dish fantasy football. I'll give you three names and three side dishes, and we have to say who's, you know, each side dish. I'm sticking with rolls is the worst. Okay. Just. Just regular plain dinner rolls is the worst in the group. Not necessarily bad, just the worst. And I like dinner rolls, but not on Thanksgiving. I have so many other good side dishes. So I had sweet potatoes in the middle and stuffing the best. And like I said, that's not even my call. That's not even. I'm not the stuffing guy. I don't like stuffing that much. But everyone else loves stuffing. But Heath, you seem to. You know what? Actually, Jamie hasn't really gotten in here. So Jamie, give me two other side dishes. One that's mid, as they say, and one that is the best.

[Jamie]

Mid or terrible?

[Dave]

No, terrible is going to be the dinner rolls.

[Jacob]

Unless you think that there's a more terrible side dish than roll.

[Dave]

No, let's leave it. Please. Keep it simple.

[Jamie]

Okay, so mid is corn souffle.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jacob]

I would have liked to try corn souffle.

[Dave]

No, it can't be something that nobody likes. It's something that people like, but they don't love.

[Jamie]

Well, you like it, but nobody else does. So corn.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Something that's great. Mashed potatoes.

[Dave]

Mashed potatoes. We agree.

[Jacob]

Mashed potatoes is going to be the popular.

[Dave]

Really.

[Heath]

Jamie, I. I did want to ask, like, how much does it hurt your feelings that Dave and Adam are taking their Christmas card pictures today and we weren't invited?

[Dave]

Happy holidays from fft. All right, so we good with rolls, corn souffle and mashed potato. Is there another one that we could do instead of corn souffle, a mid side dish, like green bean casserole.

[Jacob]

That could be good, though.

[Dave]

I love. No, these are good.

[Heath]

I really, I really don't.

[Dave]

These are good. They're just not the best. All right, we'll leave it at corn souffle. All right, so I'll Give you three players rest of season. I did give you their schedules in the notes if you want to look. Who is the dinner rolls, who is the corn souffle, and who is the cream of the crop, the creamy mashed potatoes? Anthony Richardson, Bo Nicks, Jared Goff, rest of season. I'm also going to ask you not to care about the bye weeks because nobody's picking these players up or trading. I just want to know basically who you like the most, you know, on a per game basis. Anthony Richardson, Bo Nicks, Jared Goff. Go for it.

[Jacob]

I'll say golf is the mashed potatoes. I'll say Bo Nicks is the Mac and cheese.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And I'll say that Anthony Richardson is the dinner rolls. And I say that bonus. What?

[Dave]

No, you say Goff is his favorite.

[Jacob]

Golf's the favorite. But Bonix is better. He's better than corn souffle.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jacob]

All right. Because he's, he's really, really good and he's really earned it. I am worried about eventually some letdown weeks. This is a rookie quarterback. There is such a thing as the rookie wall. And teams are going to be able to figure out Denver and eventually Denver will be able to figure out their run game and it's going to take care or take past attempts off of bone. Knicks. I think Jared still has the upside. I still think Jared has the upside to be amazing from week to week, including this week. But that's how I would rank them. Wrestle season is Golf 1, Knicks 2, Richardson 3.

[Dave]

And as long as you guys can kind of wrap it up with a, you know, concise non food like, like Dave just did, then it'll be fine. Just. Yeah, but anyway, Heath, go ahead, rank them. Richardson, Bo Nick, Jared Goff.

[Heath]

So Nick's is the mashed potatoes because he's been fantastic basically everywhere, always hard to mess it up. And I think he's going to be great the rest of season. I will say Anthony Richardson is the corn souffle because it can be great like this week in the right matchup, but if you do it wrong, man, it's awful. And I will say Jared Goff is the rolls because if you leave them out too long, they get stale. And in week 15 and 16, he's at Chicago and at San Francisco. You don't like Jared Goff outdoors.

[Dave]

So that was a clever, clever way to go about that. Wow, that's surprising though. Golf lasts. All right, Jamie, how about you? How do you rank them?

[Jamie]

Richardson, knicks, golf, Nick's one, golf two, Richardson three.

[Dave]

Okay, that works. For me. Next up, Christian McCaffrey. Ken Walker, Chase Brown. Christian McCaffrey. Ken Walker. Chase Brown. Who's the boring dinner rolls that we're probably not gonna eat on Thanksgiving?

[Jamie]

Who's healthy for the 49ers?

[Dave]

I'll give. I'll give him Purdy and I'll give him everybody. Everyone's healthy.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

You can start. Jamie McCaffrey, Ken Walker, Chase Brown. How do you rank them?

[Jamie]

Oh, Chase Brown one, McCaffrey two, Walker three. But I like all three.

[Dave]

Yeah, like. Like dinner rolls and corn syrup.

[Jacob]

They're warm dinner rolls. They catch a lot of Dave, how about you? I have the exact same order as Jamie. Chase Brown, number one, cm. But CMC is going to be closer to Walker at three. Both those guys, I think they both need to show us something pretty awesome here in order to actually get on the plate. Instead of staying in a. In a basket or whatever, you put corn souffle in the dish at the dinner table. Yeah. Okay.

[Dave]

Yeah. Thief.

[Heath]

I think I'm going to go. Chase Brown, ken Walker, Christian McCaffrey.

[Dave]

Oh, Walker over McCabe. Ken Walker is averaging 3.16 yards per carry in his last six games. We haven't really been talking about it. He's just not playing that well. He's playing like dinner rolls.

[Heath]

So is Christian McCaffrey.

[Dave]

Christian McCaffrey is.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And Ken Walker in his. In those six games, averaging 3.16 yards per carry. Also on pace, though, for 65 catches, 496 receiving yards, and three touchdowns. So he's doing that, but he's been a little fry. He's kind of. He's kind of like pissing me off. Not gonna lie. Wow. All right, I got a food take when we come back. But first I gotta tell you, if you haven't signed up for bet MGM yet, this is it. Let's do it. Use the bonus code fantasy, and you're gonna get up to a 1500 first bet offer on your first wager with Bed MGM. So here's how it works. You download the Bed MGM app. You sign up using the bonus code Fantasy, Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. And you'll receive up to fifteen hundred dollars in bonus bets if your bet loses. Just make sure you use the bonus code fantasy when you sign up. All right, so Chase Brown is the delicious mashed potatoes. What. What do we got next? When we come back, we'll do some more of this wackiness after this break on fantasy football.

[Adam]

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[Dave]

All right, welcome back. Okay, so if anybody's curious about how lunch went yesterday, with the lunch bet, we it actually was a rest of season bet. I found the clip in the waiver wire show. It was a rest of season bet between me, Dave and Jamie and it was Tillman versus Quentin Johnston. So, no, not Tillman. Was it Tillman versus Quentin Johnson? Sorry. So there were nobody paid. We paid for our own lunches. And I would like to say, and I will not say the name of the restaurant. It was the. One of the worst burgers I've ever had. It was the worst burger at a restaurant in a long time. I hated it. I thought the Tater Tots were even worse than the burgers. It was a bland awful. It was one.

[Heath]

Did you tell Dan this? Because it was Dan's recommendation.

[Dave]

I, I, I, he'll probably listen. He listens to Moshe. Dan, you suck. This burger was horrible. And not only did it ruin lunch for me, it just sat in my stomach for like six hours, just making me full and gross. And it ruined dinner for me because we went to El Mariachi, a great Mexican place in Coral, Florida, and I could not even eat dinner because the burger was so bad and made me so full and, and gross feeling.

[Heath]

I think it is, it is a problem.

[Jacob]

You.

[Heath]

I should have told you to order the little baby sliders because they fit in my belly better.

[Dave]

I can eat like a man.

[Heath]

Burgers have, like, lots of flavors on them. And Adam had a really hard time. He couldn't find a burger that had not, didn't have too much flavor.

[Dave]

And so I understand it was, it.

[Heath]

Was too much meat. It was too much flavor. It's okay.

[Dave]

Not enough.

[Jacob]

I think, I think we. You should tell us the type of burger you ordered. What was on it?

[Dave]

I mean, I don't want to give away because I don't want to embarrass the restaurant. But if you just, like, take some.

[Heath]

Of the food that was on the burger off the burger and refused.

[Dave]

Just.

[Jacob]

There was a full salad on your plate when you were.

[Dave]

A lot of lettuce. There was, like, onions, cheese. I don't even remember. It just was such a bad burger. Oh, gosh. You guys need to step up your burger game. All right, next up, who's the dinner rolls? Who's the corn souffle? The mid corn souffle, and who's the delicious, unbeatable mashed potatoes? Rest of season, Chuba Hubbard, DeAndre Swift, who faces Detroit and Minnesota three times in his next four games. Their top three against running backs. Although Minnesota just put a line. Both of them have lost linebackers actually recently. Chuba Hubbard, DeAndre Swift, Bucky Irving. Dave, you want to take a stab at this one?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I, I'm gonna put Chuba at the top. I don't Think Jonathan Brooks is gonna make a huge. I was thinking maybe. I was about to say when the Panthers are out of it, but they've kind of been out of it all year. But I think they're just going to keep riding Chuba all the way to the end of the season. I think they're still going to try and be competitive and all that stuff and build on this year. He's going to be my one, Bucky's going to be two. I'm really. I'm impressed by the workload that he had dominated carries in the first three quarters of their game against the Giants, Had a huge breakaway run against the Giants. Sean Tucker might go back to the end of the line and not play after he fumbled. And. And Rashad White just hasn't been efficient. And then that means that DeAndre Swift is third. So I'd say that Chuba is the mashed potatoes, which every time you mention the mashed potatoes, Adam, you describe how, like, delicious they are. And it's very entertaining, you describing mashed potatoes. Bucky Irving is the corn souffle. DeAndre Swift is yesterday's burger.

[Dave]

Oh, man. Heath? Jamie? Anyone?

[Jamie]

I.

[Heath]

First off, Bucky and Chuba are both really good things, and DeAndre Swift is something worse than rules. So I would go. I would go Bucky over Chuba, not because of Jonathan Brooks, but because of this. Giants, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, Cowboys, Panthers, Saints.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Fantastic schedule for Bucky Irving. So Bucky, Chuba, and then way at the back of the line, whatever. The worst thing is on Thanksgiving for you is DeAndre Swift.

[Jacob]

Would DeAndre Swift be a used napkin?

[Heath]

That's pretty gross.

[Jacob]

I'm just saying.

[Dave]

I don't know. I mean that. Jamie, are we being a little too hard on DeAndre Swift?

[Jamie]

A little bit, but I agree with Heath. Order. I think Bucky Irving's got the best chance to be a lead winning type of guy. I think, you know, Chuba is going to be a serviceable starting fantasy option, but Bucky could be just a difference maker. Based on what we saw last week, what the schedule sets up like, and to what Dave, you know, illustrated, maybe they start to give him even more work and take a little bit less from Rashad White. I mean, he's the future of their backfield, Bucky Irving. And it's just fun to watch. So I think Irving is in a. I almost put them in three different categories, to Heath's point. You know, about those two guys being, you know, separate from. From Swift. Like, Irving's on a different tier than Chuba. Chuba's on a different tier than Swift. And. And the top two guys are starters where Swift is going to be somebody you're probably benching. What'd you say when every. When every team is active, I think Swift is going to end up being benched.

[Dave]

Okay. And Tampa Bay their. Their first and second down running back snaps last week. Bucky Irving had 33 snaps. Rashad White had 20. It's by far the biggest spread between the two of them. Oh, spread like a dinner spread. Love it. All right, next up, let's go Malik Neighbors. Jackson Smith and Jigba and Zay Flowers. Malik Neighbors, jsn, Zay Flowers rest of season. I think it's kind of a tough one here. Some. Something I said on beyond the box score. Malik Neighbors is wide receiver 33 per game in PPR in his last six games. Or I think it's whenever Andrew Thomas went out, you know, since he started struggling. 33 per game. So it's neighbors, JSN, Zay Flowers, Heath. Rank them. Food with food.

[Heath]

Yeah, I. None of these. I don't. They're all close enough. They're all just like different variations of Mac and cheese. One of them has, like three different kinds of cheese and maybe like some. Some breadcrumbs and bacon on top. One of them's really, really, like, dry and from a week ago. And one of them's. Which is still Mac and cheese, so it's pretty good. And then one of them's just regular creamy Mac and cheese. But I would go Neighbors, JSN Flowers, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Jsn, Neighbors Flowers.

[Jacob]

I have the same orders, Jamie. It's in the trade chart that way, too. Jackson Smith and Jig was first. Malik Neighbors the second. Zay Flowers is third. I. I think jsn. And honestly, I almost feel like jsn's ascent is coming at the same time that Ken Walker's decline is happening. Because you talked about how Walker was pissing you off.

[Dave]

He is.

[Jacob]

JSN is not pissing anybody off. And he's getting a lot of good short area targets, some deep targets on top of it. This is a team that loves to throw the football. I almost feel like we could. We should have seen this coming, and maybe one of us did, and I just don't remember. Huge. JSN is absolutely the best one of the three right now.

[Heath]

Huge. Prove it for me this week because. And Adam's talked about this for a couple of years. DK is bad against bad matchups. So when they play a good matchup, like the jets does. DK just give us 150 yards and two touchdowns and JSN goes back to screen Merchant.

[Dave]

Well, but if Lockett's gonna get, you know, four or fewer targets now, I think four games in a row, you know, Lockett was just too. He was really good at the beginning of the year. They seem to be phasing him out. Not intentionally or not. I feel like they both could be good, you know, but for. For jsn. Jacob talked about it on Monday. He. He wasn't really being used downfield like he was in that one game without Metcalf. This huge game. It. It's kind of like a PPR play. You're just hoping for a lot of targets. He's in the slot all the time. I will do one more here and do tight ends. David Najoku, Johnny Smith, Kyle Pitts. Najoku, Johnny Smith, Kyle Pitts, Jamie, how would you rank them rest of the season?

[Jamie]

I'll still stick with Najoku. I mean, obviously John was hot the last two weeks, but I don't want to, you know, use the Steelers game in the snow as a negative against Nijoku. He was good in the first three starts with. With James and he's typically been good when it's been everybody but DeSean Watson. So I'll stick with him. First, John, who will be two and Pitts will be three. Just. It's just frustrating to trust coppets consistently. And hopefully what John has done the last two weeks, based on how the Dolphins offense has been operating, it can be somewhat sustainable. Not to that level, but, you know, just involvement. So hopefully John, who can stay hot, rest away and. And look, I love to see Pitts finish strong, but he's just third for me.

[Dave]

Stay hot like some hot corn souffle because he's the mid in this one. Dave, how do you rank Najoku, Johnny and Pitts?

[Jacob]

Pits is the pits. So I agree with that and I honestly, I look at Johnny and Nijoku exactly the same way. They're both short area targets for their respective offenses. Both these offenses want to throw the football a ton, both of them. The difference between the two, I should say, is the Dolphins prefer to dink and dunk, and we've just seen it. 2 is getting the ball out in 2.3 seconds. His ADOT is one of the worst in football. Jameis likes to look downfield, and if John is going to continue to play as much as he's been playing, I think he's got a slight Nudge ahead of David Joku. So I'll take John who first. I'll buy into what the Dolphins have been doing for a month plus now with him. Najoku second, but right behind him. They're worth the same on the trade chart. And then Kyle Pitts is behind them.

[Dave]

Heath.

[Heath]

Yeah, I will go John who first. This is like the most disturbing thing ever if you're a Tyree Kill fantasy manager. But since Tua came back, Jono actually leads the Dolphins and targets.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Heath]

Yeah. Two is behind him. Waddles behind Tyree or Tyreeks behind John. Ooh. And then Waddle. I. I think it will be interesting. I was trying to think of the right analogy for this. Like, turkey is really good, hot or cold. You can just eat it right out of the fridge. It'd be interesting to find out on Thursday night if Johnny was any good cold. But I'll go Johnu Joku and then Kyle Pitts.

[Dave]

All right, that. Thank you guys for. For indulging.

[Jacob]

What's for dessert?

[Dave]

Oh, man. Like, I think. I think I did on the air last year, I had pumpkin pie for the first time, and you probably hated it. It's. What is it? It's like a weird.

[Heath]

And pecan pie. Also, you hate that we're all pies.

[Dave]

I mean, apple pie I'll eat, but yeah, pecan. What am I doing eating pecan pie?

[Heath]

I think you can probably just go ahead and say the name of the restaurant after this. They're gonna feel like it's an adorable. It's an endorsement.

[Dave]

I'm eating dessert. I don't want. I don't want to eat. I don't want to eat pecans for dessert. That's not a dessert.

[Jacob]

Oh, but it's good.

[Heath]

Oh, it's delicious.

[Jacob]

My pecan pie is very.

[Dave]

Give me some ice cream and pumpkin pie.

[Heath]

We always order pies from the high school, local high school as a culinary department, and so they sell pies as a fundraiser and we order them for Thanksgiving. My wife says, do I get. Do I get a pumpkin or a pecan or an apple? I said, what do you mean? Or get all of them? We're going to eat them all.

[Dave]

Wow. We are having very different Thanksgivings.

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[Dave]

And Jamie I'm going to nominate Nick Chubb this week for our workhorse to watch because he had 20 carries last week but only 59 yards, two touchdowns, just coming off a 19 point game, one catch for one yard against Pittsburgh. Now he's facing a Denver team that allows only 3.78 yards per carry to running backs. They give up a lot in the receiving game to running backs, but that's not Nick Chubb's thing. Do you think people will bite into Nick Chubb after the two touchdown performance? And are you buying Nick Chubb this week?

[Jamie]

I think people will buy into it because of who Nick Chubb is and seeing two touchdowns obviously is going to open people's eyes whenever it's multiple scores for somebody who's getting a lot of work. But no, I'm not buying it. It's a tough matchup against the Denver team that I think is going to be playing with the lead. This is not going to be the setup for Chubb, so if he does not score, I don't think this is going to be a very good situation for him. And as you said, running backs in the passing game have really killed this team. So it's now nine running backs on the season that have scored 6.8 PPR points or more with their receiving totals. This feels like this could be a good opportunity for Jerome Ford, who two games ago had four catches last week was not involved in the passing game because they were, you know, competitive game and playing with elite at at points in the game. So don't like the setup for Nick Chubb very much at all and he's somebody I would try to set.

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[Dave]

Let's do some news and notes here. Aaron Rogers said yesterday he's not sure if he wants to play next season, but his first choice would be the Jets. Cooper Rush was Limited and Tommy DeVito Mace. Tommy DeVito seems optimistic that whole play, but they're not committing to it. He has a forearm injury and this is the Thursday game. Dallas one of the Thursday games Dallas and the Giants running back news Alexander Madison was limited. Zemir White missed practice. They play Friday at Kansas City. David Montgomery was limited. They're optimistic about Montgomery playing. Washington signed Chris Rodriguez to the active roster. They also took a look at Boston Scott and James Robinson as free agent visits and the Kansas City workload will be determined in game on Friday. So we're going to talk about that game in a little bit. Wide RECEIVER NEWS Aman Ross St. Brown was limited. Romeo Dobbs missed practice. He's probably not going to play and the Rams have not decided on DeMarcus Robinson status. He had a DUI this last weekend. They haven't decided on his work. Week 13 Status DeMarcus Robinson at the Saints TIGHT END NEWS Giants signed Greg Dolc off waivers for what that's worth, the Rams tight end Tyler Higbee is going to practice this week but unlikely to play, and Jake Ferguson likely out for Dallas on the offensive line. Giants Cowboys Updates here For the Giants, their left tackle, Jermaine Aluminor missed practice. He left in the first quarter. Short week. Don't think he'll play well. That's just my opinion. I don't know. But their line was absolutely terrible last week against Tampa Bay and their right tackle, Evan Neal is banged up, too, but it looks like he's probably going to play. Dallas Offensive guard Zach Martin likely out for the Cowboys and Miami. So the Miami left tackle to Ron Armstead. This one's kind of interesting. The fact that they're playing Thursday isn't great. He did play. He's been questionable, like leading right up to kickoff. Toronto Armstead for the, for the Dolphins. He played last week, but I think he played about 65 of the snaps. I don't know what to expect for him on a short week at Green Bay, weather wise. You know, Dave, are we just going to say we shouldn't do anything about the weather this early in the week? Because people are going to have to make a lot of decisions on Thursday and Friday and the weekend weather could be, you know, cold and especially San Francisco. Buffalo.

[Jacob]

Yeah, there's stock about snow in that game.

[Dave]

It could be one of those crazy Buffalo games. So do you know, do you plan for that? Because there's a lot of uncertainty, especially with San Francisco. If you're looking at Thursday and setting your lineup, I'm a bad person to.

[Jacob]

Ask because the only weather forecast that I've looked at so far is Buffalo and Green. Green Bay. And so I don't know what the forecast is for all the other games that are outdoors this weekend. I know that there's some big thing coming to the Northeast.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

That could impact games out there. So that's something that you have to think about all right, all right.

[Dave]

Enough with it.

[Jacob]

I don't care. It's funny, I, I, All I can tell you is it's going to be cold in Green Bay. They're not expecting any precipitation. Wind shouldn't be that bad. And Buffalo, like, like we've already talked about twice now in the last 15 seconds. There's going to be some snow.

[Dave]

Could be, I mean, it could be, it could be. You just don't know at this point. So it's going to be a tough decision for fantasy managers to make. And we don't even know if Brock Purdy is going to play. And then Jair Alexander and Edrin Cooper, cornerback and a linebacker for the Packers. They missed practice. I don't think Alexander's gonna play. Trayvon Diggs missed practice. Washington put their kicker, Austin Cyber on IR so Zing and Zen Gonzalez could replace him. Kansas City's kicker, Spencer Schrader missed practice. Minnesota put linebacker Ivan Pace Jr. On IR. Oddly enough, they're much better against the running backs with him off the field than on the field. But that could just be a small sample size. And for Patrick Mahomes, two Chiefs or two Raiders cornerbacks missed practice. They missed last week's game. Nate Hobbs and Jacorian Bennett. Yeah, they haven't practiced and they missed practice. So the Raiders actually were pretty good against wide receivers going into the game, but without their starting cornerbacks. Saw Cortland Sutton have a huge game.

[Jacob]

And huge second half.

[Dave]

Bailey had a big game too.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Dave]

All right, let's get to the games. Here we go. I think we got some really interesting games. Chicago at Detroit. So you've got.

[Jacob]

What day is this game on?

[Dave]

This game is on Thursday. Thank you, Dave. Chicago's at Detroit. So, Jamie, you've got a team in Detroit that sees the most wide receiver targets per game in the NFL, 25.1. And the Bears see the fewest. So that's wild, right? 15.4 targets per game the Bears see from wide receivers each week. And personally, I think it's sort of masking that. The Bears pass defense is a little bit overrated. They just don't get thrown on that much. I don't know if they will in this game, but which wide receivers, Jamie, do you like in this game? Chicago and Detroit. And sorry, one other stat. A wide receiver has scored 16.1 or more PPR fantasy points in 10 of 11 games against against the Lions. Think about that. Who do you like, Jamie?

[Jamie]

I mean, you're obviously starting Amara St. Brown. That's a no brainer I would, I would consider using just because of the week, not as starters in two receiver leagues but DJ Moore, Keenan Allen and Romo Dunes. They are all starters in three receiver leagues. You know so just based on what the opportunity has been for all three of these guys, you know 23 targets for Keenan Allen the last two games. 20 targets from Odunze the last two games. These are both with Thomas Brown obviously. DJ Moore's had you know pretty solid production in the in the past two games. 13.7 PPR points or more in each of those two outings. So all of them are being are producing with the, with the system change and the coordinator change. It's just a matter of you know what your lineup looks like. So they're all in great spots all of an opportunity to play well. I think you just got to put Odunze third based on the production so far. But again just looking at what the the matchup is like, what the game flow is probably going to be like with them chasing points points. It's a good setup for all three of the receivers and if you're desperate. Caleb Williams is not a horrible quarterback this week. I just think he's going to have some turnovers compared to what he did last week when he was somewhat mistake.

[Dave]

Free apple turnovers please. Third Thanksgiving. Do people eat that on Thanksgiving? Heath, your thoughts on the on the passing games?

[Heath]

Yeah it's I've got golf and Caleb back to back as borderline QB ones. High end QB2s love them in a super flex league. I agree with Jamie and Munro is the only must start wide receiver. I think like you can put DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunes a Jameson Williams in a hat and draw names and be just as apt to pick the correct one. I did I have another like all the opportunity stats say a huge breakout is coming for Roma dun. The targets have been there. The production was even worse last week so it's hard to believe it. But like his big problem this year is that he scored one touchdown. You look at their end zone targets. Roma Dunze leads The Bears with 10 end zone targets and he has one touchdown. Keenan Allen has eight and he has three touchdowns. DJ Moore has five and he has four touchdowns. Cole Commit has one and he has three touchdowns. So I do think that there are touchdowns coming for Roma Dunesay again all four of those guys are start them in wide in three wide receiver leagues. I really don't want two and a two.

[Dave]

It's kind of interesting what they're doing though with DJ Moore the Last two weeks super low a dot IT was a negative eight out two weeks ago. It was under four yards this week. A lot of wide receiver screens, these cheap catches, they're good for PPR and.

[Heath]

Also.

[Dave]

Super low targets.

[Heath]

He's got a 16 target share the last two weeks. Like Keenan Allen and Roman Dunes in the new offense are getting a lot more targets, more downfield. It's just that DJ Moore has caught 100 of his targets.

[Dave]

The Lions, by the way, give up the most receiving yards to slot wide receivers. 195 or more yards than second most. It's crazy, but they get thrown on all the time. All right, who do you. All right, so how do you rank Jameson Williams with the Bears? Who's the number, who's the number two receiver in this game? D.J.

[Jacob]

Moore. Keenan Allen is a very close third.

[Dave]

Who's the number two receiver in this game?

[Heath]

Heath projections say Roma dunes a I ranked DJ Moore one spot ahead of Roma dunesay because Moore's been scoring and I get it, like he's really good. But it's, it's one of those two.

[Dave]

Jamie, is there any way to determine when Jared Goff is going to have a huge game and when he's going to score like 12 points? Because it's all rushing touchdowns.

[Jamie]

I mean, he's averaging over 30 fantasy points in his last three home games. He scored at least 21 points in the last two Thanksgiving games. So you know, just looking at recent trends, you know he's good in these spots. And so, you know, you said it. The Bears defense may not be as good as the numbers suggest. They're number two in fantasy points allowed to the position. Prior to last week, only one quarterback had thrown multiple touchdowns against them. That was Trevor Lawrence. So. But back to back games, there's been 22 plus points for the previous quarterbacks. Jared Love scored a rushing touchdown two games ago and then obviously Sam Darnold had a big game against them last week. So we'll find out how good golf is. We'll find out how good this, this past defense is in terms of how they'll attack them. You know, the thing about the Lions is when you watch them, they do whatever they want. You know, they could play bully ball and beat you up at the run game. They could obviously, you know, beat you up in the passing game. You Wonder if, if St. Brown's injury is really something to be concerned about, then do they just come out and, and you know, beat you up with the run, get their win and go home. And I think probably like what Heath was talking about when ranking the quarterbacks. Like that's the fear with Derek Golf almost on a weekly basis. Like they could do whatever they want to from, from a running perspective. So we'll, we'll see how they, how they operate. You know, I, I do sort of have this thought in the, in the, in the back of my mind following the five interception game when Jared Goff was a legitimate MVP candidate. And then they come back and they have the four touchdown game against Jacksonville. You know, do they make a push to put him back in the MVP race? That feels like is wide open. I mean, you know, Lamar Jackson's up there, Josh Allen's up there, Saquon Barkley's now up there. And when you look at the odds, Jared Goff is still up there, you know, so if he can have an island game with three touchdowns, four touchdowns, where everybody's watching, that may change the perspective a little bit of where Jared Goff stacks up in this. If that's something that they want to do. And I do think that if they want to do it, he can do it. So he's QB12 for me. He's, he's a starter if you've been starting him, not necessarily a slam dunk, but it's, it's not a matchup I think that you should be running away from despite the fact the statistics say you should.

[Dave]

All right. Jared Goff or Bo Nicks against Cleveland?

[Jacob]

I moved Knicks over golf this morning.

[Jamie]

Nick's for me. He's just too hot.

[Heath]

Knicks for me.

[Dave]

Jared Goff or Kyler Murray at Minnesota?

[Jamie]

Golf, Golf.

[Dave]

And he Heath, by the way, at the end of this game, I don't have access to the chat. So if you want to find some questions from the chat specific to this game, but we have more to talk about here. Jameer Gibbs is a must start and he, he hesitation Dave with David Montgomery.

[Jacob]

No, I, every indication is that he's going to be okay. It made sense for them to limit him in the second half last week against Indianapolis they had a big lead. He wasn't 100. He's going to be limited in practice. It's a short week. I, I would, I don't think it'll be his best game of the year, but he could be in that 13, 14 point range whether it's PPR or not and still be good. High end, number two type of fantasy running back.

[Dave]

Yeah. And I think one of the reasons why people don't throw on the Bears is because the Bears run defense isn't that good. So it's terrible. Yeah, I think the Lions will have a lot of success there. Montgomery or Bucky Irving?

[Jacob]

If it's ppr. Yeah.

[Dave]

Okay. Montgomery or Jonathan Taylor?

[Jacob]

Taylor.

[Jamie]

But their. Their profile is the same. And if you want to just buy into who's going to score a touchdown, you can bank on Montgomery more so than Taylor.

[Jacob]

Right.

[Dave]

Who do you guys like? Do you like either tight end this week? Dave?

[Jacob]

Nah. With six, with zero teams on by.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

It's really hard to feel good about either one of them. I would try and get away from them both.

[Dave]

And then finally I think we're just left with the Bears running backs. Jamie, how do you feel about the Bears running backs this week?

[Jamie]

Don't trust them. I mean, you know, Swift is hopefully going to be involved in the pass game. We just haven't seen that in the last two games consistently. You know, with. With the coordinator change was something that I thought would happen. Run revenge game is clearly there for him, but I don't know if that necessarily matters against the defense that's so good in stopping the run. Under 60 snaps the last two weeks for Swift in. In the coordinator change. So, you know, again, could it be the groin injury? He had the groin injury two games ago, apparently during the game. Came into the game last week dealing with it in practice, so that could be a factor. But Roshan is doing a touchdown each of the last two weeks. So just given the matchup, no teams on a buy. I think he's a flex at best. If you can bench him, I'd bench.

[Dave]

He's really struggled in tough matchups too. And over the last three weeks, the Lions run defense has been so. Yeah, good, incredible.

[Jacob]

Figured out how to get it going without Hutchinson on the field. Remember there was a couple weeks ago I was saying with Russ, with Hutchinson out, they weren't as good and they've really turned around. Part of it's because of who they've played. But then last week they really showed it against Taylor.

[Dave]

But how good were. They were great against Mix and He had like 25 carries or 46 yards. It's true.

[Jacob]

And that's when they really started to turn the corner.

[Dave]

That's when they proved it.

[Jacob]

And then Taylor. It's a combination of. Of his offensive line and just. I don't know how great Taylor is, but I want to give credit to the Lions defense. They've really played great. Chicago's offensive line isn't amazing by any stretch. Swift is gonna have a hard time.

[Dave]

All right.

[Heath]

I think Those short targets for DJ Moore hurting DeAndre Swift.

[Jacob]

It's the short targets for him.

[Heath]

You want the. You want. Thomas has done a great job here.

[Dave]

And start. Let me ask question. Oh, yeah. One question, Heath. Who would you rather start? Jameson Williams or DeAndre Swift?

[Heath]

Jameson.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Okay. Yeah. I'm encouraged. Like, Jameson's had a 21 target share right around there. Target per route, run rate three straight games and adots lower being used in a better way. It's just again, like Jamie said, the Lions can do whatever they want. I kind of like, I'm hoping that they're in the spotlight that they're just going to destroy. They're not shy. They'll be up 40 points in the fourth quarter and have their starters in. I just. I'm hoping that they like really just destroy the. I don't care who wins but just really put up their best showing. Okay, go ahead, Heath.

[Heath]

DJ Moore must start over. Garrett Wilson.

[Jacob]

No, no, no.

[Heath]

I say golf or Herbert.

[Dave]

Herbert.

[Jacob]

Herbert.

[Heath]

I've got Herbert. Just barely. I think I'm the low guy on him again. Golf or Darnold?

[Jamie]

Golf.

[Jacob]

I do have golf over Darnold.

[Heath]

I've got Darnold. Just a little bit higher. JMO Sutton, Brian Thomas or Juwan Jennings?

[Jamie]

Sutton.

[Jacob]

Son.

[Heath]

Sutton. Agreed.

[Jacob]

Give me a little Sutton. Sutton.

[Dave]

All right. Thank you. That was easy for me. Montgomery or Jennings? See that? Like this. You have to take into account all the variables at San Francisco.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jacob]

If we. If we don't have any indication that Purdy's going to play and if it's going to be a total blizzard, then it's Montgomery. And if it's not ppr, it's Montgomery anyway.

[Dave]

Okay. And we're gonna take a break here. We have three more games to go. Oh, it's got to be a long one. All right, let's. We'll be right back.

[Jacob]

Spend 20min minutes on Thanksgiving side dishes.

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. By the way, the Lions dst. You can start them. We'll be right back after this.

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[Dave]

Welcome back. Okay, so Heath, I'm going to let you start this conversation about the Dolphins at the packers on Thursday night. So obviously weather is a, is a consideration here. You have tua 21st. Dave and Jamie have tua is like around 14th, 12th, something like that. So do you want to start anyone on the Dolphins other than Devon Achan?

[Heath]

I think you're starting both Tyreek and Jalen Waddle if you're in a three wide receiver league. In a two wide receiver. I want to start John who for sure. John who's a must start tight end. Hn's a must start running back. And I listen this type of weather doesn't matter. 75, 80 of the time. I think the Dolphins are what, old and 11 in their last games below 40 degrees. Last, last 11 games below 40 degrees. And for most of the country they hear 26 degrees which is the current forecast for kickoff. They say, you know, the guys start running around, they're not even, it's not even going to feel that cold. But people were wearing puffer jackets and stocking caps down here. When it dropped into the 50s, like it's. I, I, I grew up in Kansas City. I came down here and laughed at people the first year of soccer practices because it got into the 60s and people were in coats to soccer practice and I thought, well, I was here for 10 years and now I'm doing the same thing because it does change things. And the Dolphins have not been good in cold. And so I don't want to start TUA and I'm only starting Tyreek and Waddle and three wide receiver leagues.

[Dave]

All right, Dave, your rebuttal anymore?

[Jacob]

Well, first of all, I'm in the exact same boat as Heath. I come from a big east coast town, Chicago, Illinois, and I did the exact same thing where I laughed at people. And now my, my blood is super thin. I'm cold sitting here in the studio. So that's, it's problematic. I, I'm nervous about the Dolphins offense outside of H and John who Smith, as silly as it sounds. But this is how their offense operates. TUA gets the snap. TUA throws the ball. It's that fast. And the ball is going anywhere from 10 yards or closer to the line of scrimmage, any downfield route that any either of those wide receivers, Tyreek or Waddle, runs. It's for decoy purposes. It's to open up something underneath. It's to open up a running back or a tight end in the and to get them to get yards after the catch. I believe the main reason why Waddle had the game he had last week was because the Patriots decided to play man coverage more than pretty much any defense did against the Dolphins this year. And it burned them because Waddle can crush man coverage. He's still got the goods as far as talent goes. But when they play against zone coverage where they're trying to give up, trying to limit those big plays, Waddle is limited. He doesn't do much. We've seen it basically from week two all the way through to week 11. Waddle isn't good for F purposes. I went and checked when TUA C zone coverage. The number one guy in target per route run rate on the Dolphins is Johnny. Number two is Achan. Number three is Tyreek. Number four is Waddle. Waddle's target per route run rate. Heath, you can tell me if this is too low. 14.5%.

[Dave]

Oh, that's very low. That's bad against zone or something.

[Jacob]

Against zone coverage to the packers play. Packers do change it up from time to time, but I don't see them getting away from zone. They played crazy heavy zone last week against the Niners because they didn't want to up the big play and they gave up a big play to Kittle. And I can't remember how many other big plays they gave up in or how we want to define big plays in that game. But it's not like Debo went off or Jennings went off or CMC went off. They usually stick with zone coverage.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jacob]

So my hunch is that that's what they're going to do. Two is going to have to keep things short. They're going to dink and dunk down the field. It'll be great for John who it'll be great for HN. I would stay away from Waddle and 3 wide receiver leagues to be honest with you.

[Dave]

Are you guys starting DJ Moore over Tyreek Hill?

[Jamie]

No, I am.

[Jacob]

I'm not there yet, but.

[Dave]

But you're starting him over Waddle?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I'm starting to Smith over or DJ More rather over Waddle. I don't know who DJ Smith. I don't know who DJ Smith is.

[Heath]

One other thing is it's not just cold because it hasn't been cold at Lambeau all season. And they've allowed one quarterback at Lambeau to score more than 20 points. They've allowed one quarterback in the last seven weeks to score more than 16 points anywhere. The Packers.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And the packers pass rush isn't that great, but it doesn't matter because the Dolphins just get the ball out.

[Dave]

So let me speak. Would you rather have Caleb Williams who yeah. Would you rather have Caleb Williams this week at Detroit or TUA at Green Bay?

[Jacob]

I have TUA over Caleb and I'm not sure I'm gonna stick with it. It like that's how skittish I am on the Dolphins passing.

[Dave]

It's Caleb for Heath. Start Hn. So Tyreek Hill is number two receiver, I think. Well, I think number three receiver for at least one of you. I used the rankings yesterday. I know they change a lot. But like, he's 33rd right now for Heath and he's top. Oh, he's top 14 for Dave and Jamie and he's 33rd for Heath. So. So big.

[Jacob]

It's probably too high to be completely.

[Dave]

Look, I mean, they're not throwing the ball. How hard is it to throw the ball? Four yards, Right? Like you could do that. They want to just.

[Jacob]

That's fine. But he doesn't get the majority of those targets.

[Dave]

But he, he did like last week. He got A little bit of Christian Gonzalez, and I think they just wanted to throw at the other crappy cornerbacks on New.

[Jacob]

I saw Gonzalez on Waddle a bunch too, and film.

[Dave]

Not as much as Tyree.

[Jacob]

Maybe not, but there was still plenty of that.

[Dave]

All right, so. Okay. Anyway, Dave and. Dave and Jamie have Tyreek Hill as the start. Heath hasn't 33rd.

[Heath]

I will just say he's. He's wide receiver 41 on the season per game. He's wide receiver 30 since Tua came back.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Jacob]

It's like that's what matters to me. Just the fact that he's not even a top 24 wide receiver with Tua.

[Dave]

Okay, well, I don't want to hear that because I told you Malik Neighbors is wide receiver 33 per game in his last six games. Dave's got him 14th, Jamie 20th, Heath ninth. So you know, it's not always that simple. Right. But. All right, we'll talk another guy who.

[Jacob]

Might be just too hot.

[Dave]

You goose. You guys do like John New Smith. Well, I think the difference is though, that Malik Neighbors gets a ton of targets and it seems like he's bound to do something with them. Yeah, he's had good. Nothing. He's had, honestly, nothing but good matchups every single. Well, he's gonna do it against the Eagles. Okay. They weren't good. Okay. Against the Commanders. Oh, okay. Against the Panthers. It'll be great against the Panthers. Stinks against everyone. One Jordan Love, starter. Sit. Jamie.

[Jamie]

Very similar to, you know, Dolphins defense has held its own, you know, with. With some tough matchups of late as well. You know, not necessarily Drake May, but we saw what they did against Matthew Stafford, who was hot coming into that game. Love hasn't exactly been lighting things up either. And so to me, they feel somewhat similar. You know, there, there's. There's the potential for a shootout here. There's the potential for a low score game here, you know, just based on the weather. So it's. I kind of feel the same about Jordan Love that. I do. Jared Goff, I'm starting him all, all this time. I'm not making a move to go get somebody different. Unless, you know, Bo Nicks is still on the waiver wire, for example, or somebody dropped Baker Mayfield going into their bye week. But I, I don't have huge expectations for him. I don't think there's going to be a top five performance for him. We'll see how they replace Romeo Dobbs. This feels like a game where both running backs can dominate, you know, so Devon H. Ain't gonna have a big game here. And obviously Josh Jacobs, what we saw last week can be huge against Dolphins too.

[Dave]

Would you guys start Anthony Richardson over the quarterbacks in this game?

[Jamie]

Easily.

[Jacob]

Not me.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Dave]

All right. Two out of three say yes. All right, so the Dolphins run defense has been phenomenal lately. They will be without linebacker Anthony Walker. But that doesn't stop you guys from starting Josh Jacobs, who has been phenomenal lately. 20.2 or more PPR fantasy points in four of his last five games. Let's do the packers wide receivers last Heath starters to Tucker Kraft.

[Heath]

I do not really want to start Tucker Kraft. Okay.

[Dave]

None of you do.

[Heath]

No.

[Dave]

Yeah, let's. Let's go. Let Heath give me your breakdown of the packers wide receivers. Do you like any of them?

[Heath]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I could definitely do that. Definitely have. Definitely know what's going to happen with the packers wide receivers. You can put Jaden Reed and probably Christian Watson as well into that hat with all the number three wide receivers and just pick one out. I, I favor Reed over Watson. I've got Reed as a, as a high end wide receiver three. And Watson is a low end wide receiver three. But I don't. I don't know.

[Dave]

So. Okay, here's. All right. So. So I actually feel like the two games we've talked about so far are two of the more difficult games on the slide late.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

When you have. Yeah, right. When you have receiving core that have multiple guys that are viable but not. They haven't been that great, that's really tough. We don't have any teams on a buy. So like who are some names, Jamie, of wide receivers that you would start over over like, like Khalil Shakir. Would you play it safe with the Khalil Shakir over Jaden Reed?

[Jamie]

Yeah, unless the weather's horrible in Buffalo. I mean, Jay's been bad, you know, from a production standpoint. Scored two games ago and. Or was last week and. And didn't do very much with it. He just has not been producing like the guy that we saw earlier this year. And this Dolphins defense has done very well against most receivers almost all season long. So Watson, I think we'd all feel differently if he catches that ball last week. You know, three. Three targets, no catches, bad drop. It was a beautifully thrown, thrown ball. No Romeo Dobbs, you know, so, so I, I agree with Heath on, on sending Tucker Kraft, but he's the one that can potentially benefit the most with Dobbs not there and may have the, the surprise game of, of someone on Thursday or for this week. So I wouldn't necessarily rule him out. He's great. DFS play, you know, if you want to play on this, the. The Thursday slate, just with the chance, score touchdowns. Got six touchdowns in eight his last eight games. There's just nothing that's. That's consistent about the packers receivers, you know, and that's the problem, is that this is what Matt LaFleur told us. Us, you know, and. And it's coming to fruition. There's no number one guy. You know, Reed seems like the safest, clearly. But as we saw two games ago, 17 passes for Jordan Love, four targets for Christian Watson. He called for them, went for 150 yards. He's got that in his bag almost on a weekly basis. But can he do it consistently? And that's been the issue for him, whether it's due to health or performance. So given the matchup, given the circumstances, that's why there's no, for me at least strong feel towards starting the two quarterbacks and no feel towards starting anybody but Tyreek, just because it's Tyree Kill. And. And that's Simply the reason. 30th best wide receiver with Tua Tongue of Aloha. I throw it out the window. 40th on the season. I throw it out the window. It's. He's capable of winning a game on. On. On one play, and nobody wants to sit that. So do I have rank two?

[Dave]

I.

[Jamie]

Probably, but with the other guys, they're all number three receivers at best.

[Dave]

Okay, how about. How about Jackson, Smith and Jig, but over everyone except Hill in this game.

[Jacob]

So you overheat him over.

[Dave]

Okay. All right, so that was a. That was a. I could start Sutton Overhill.

[Jamie]

I'd start Jacoby Myers overhill, you know, I don't know.

[Dave]

Okay, how about. How about like Jerry Judy?

[Jamie]

Not in this matchup. No. Most weeks I'd say yes, but not against Denver.

[Jacob]

Is there a Bears receiver that anybody would start over? Tyree Kill? How about.

[Dave]

How about over Jaden Reed instead of Tyree?

[Jacob]

I'd start all three over Jaden Reed.

[Heath]

I would, too, man.

[Dave]

Like, no Dobbs. Here's the thing about the Dolphins. Like, show me a good wide receiver. They've done well against, right? They've had the easiest schedule. I think Jacoby Myers is the only good wide receiver they've done well against this year. Christian Kirk had a bad game, but other than that, I mean, Marvin Harrison, 111 yards in a touchdown. Cooper cup and Puka Nakua Both had over 80 yards.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Dave]

80 or more yards. DK Mechanical.

[Jacob]

They just beat up Philly. So I. I don't know.

[Dave]

No, I'm just saying you look at their schedule, they haven't done well against any good receivers. Except. Except Jacoby Myers is not even that good in that game. Brock Bowers had a million yards. You know. So I, I think the Dolphins, they have been second but most second fewest fancy points to wide receivers. I just want to point out they really haven't done it against tough competition.

[Jacob]

How often have they been thrown on? Because you mentioned that with Chicago.

[Dave]

It's a great question.

[Jacob]

Right. And so, so there's. There's a couple of things in play here. The packers are not like the Dolphins. They will let Jordan Love hold on to the ball and he will happily hold on to the ball for a long time. And I like what I've seen from the Dolphins pass rush over the last couple of weeks.

[Dave]

Oh yeah? Yeah.

[Jacob]

Sealer's been good but Shop Robinson has really come on and they've. They can generate something there. And that offensive line for Green Bay might be a little overrated. And Josh Jacobs, you said phenomenal. He's been amazing. Why would they get away from that in this matchup especially in the cold and all that? I think that this could be a low volume game again for Jordan Love and that's what worries me. And if they somehow fall behind, that pass rush could be a real problem for Jordan Love. Love.

[Dave]

Sorry for interrupting. Dolphins pass rush has had been struggling. But last week 41.3 pressure rate against New England. All right, we'll leave.

[Jacob]

And that was New England. Let's be honest. That offensive line isn't very good.

[Dave]

We'll leave it at that. And does anybody want to start a dst?

[Jamie]

No.

[Jacob]

Like from this game.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Or just in Jackers.

[Heath]

I'd really rather not start one at all.

[Jacob]

Right.

[Dave]

Yeah. Same Giants are at the Cowboys.

[Adam]

It's the game.

[Dave]

I don't have the music so this.

[Jacob]

Is not even close.

[Dave]

It's not.

[Jacob]

This is the game you turn off when dinner served. That's so terrible song. I'm sorry.

[Dave]

Yeah. Stat of the game.

[Jacob]

That's why you sing.

[Dave]

Rico Dowdle has 19 to 20 carries in the last two Cowboys wins. The Giants have allowed 13.1 or more PPR fantasy points to a running back in all but one game. I definitely feel like I'm gonna buy into Rico Dowdle. I definitely feel like I'm gonna hate myself for it at least before the game. Hopefully that, that hopefully comes through. So, Jamie, I'll start with you. If we compare Rico Dowdle and Tyrone Tracy to all these wide receivers that we've been talking about, except for Tyree Kill, I don't think people are going to start them over. Tyree Kill or obviously I'm Ross St. Brown, how would. How do you feel about Dowdle and Tyrone Tracy compared to the Bears wide receivers? Jameson Williams, Jalen Waddle, the Packers wide receivers.

[Jamie]

Daddle for me is the best of the guys that you just mentioned. I think he's going to have a big game against the Giants based on what we saw with their run defense last week and how many. How much. How much work he had last week for the Cowboys, it looked like there was a serious commitment to him in what I would consider to be a tougher matchup than what he's facing this week. And I thought he did delivered a strong game. Tracy's a little bit tough to trust right now. You know, he should have a great opportunity here to play well based on the season statistics for the Cowboys now, their run defense did better, but how much of that was both running backs getting hurt? Clearly Eckler was late in the game, but Robinson going out, you know, I'm sure that changed the entire tenor of it. Robinson was my start of the week last week, so I expected him to run well. The fumbles, though, you got to be worried that, you know, is he going to get punished? Is he going to get punished? Certainly if he fumbles again, you know, we saw it in the game last week. So I would start Tracy if I have him comparatively to some other running backs. But based on what these receivers could do, like the Bears receivers could all have a chance to go off off, you know, especially if, you know, looking at how Heath has it ranked. If Odunce is going to deliver based on what Keen Allen did last week and based on DJ Moore's in the last two weeks, like there's a chance for all three of them here to be successful. So the Bears receivers, I would start over. Tracy, the packers receiver is a little bit tougher to trust. Jalen Wattle is obviously tough to trust, so I'd probably stick with Tracy there. But I think Rico Dallas in line.

[Dave]

For a good game certainly seems that way. Okay. Giants run defense is just awful. Dave, how are we feeling about neighbors and Lamb?

[Jacob]

Volume is going to be key for both of them. I like Lamb better. I like that Lamb has been anywhere from decent to good with Cooper Rush now in the couple handful of games that they've played Together. I, I am very scared of any Giants player this week. Neighbors is a number two wide receiver by default but it's. It's just because he could get double digit targets and fall into solid production in PPR leagues. That offensive line was terrible last week. It's going to be terrible this week. Week. Cowboys pass rush has gotten much better. They've been much better as a defense overall since Michael Parsons has come back. Not a shock whatsoever. And Tommy DeVito as a quarterback is just not good. And that's something that we all knew going in. But putting them behind that offensive line with both tackles playing terribly and Illumina got hurt. I don't want to trust Tracy. I don't really want to trust Neighbors as anything more than a low end to middling number two fantasy wide receiver. Even in full PPR start.

[Dave]

Would you start Dowdle or over Neighbors?

[Jacob]

I'm not there yet but in Dowdle like I get everything Jamie said and I agree with it and the matchup is excellent for him. But with the offensive line not strong for Dallas. I've got some concerns about Dowdle and I almost feel like I have him ranked too high. He's in my top 24among running backs and I feel like that's a little too high.

[Heath]

And, and Zeke still gets to. To jump in as in the.

[Jacob]

The.

[Dave]

Oh yeah. Oh, that's a. That really could happen. Dattle hasn't. Dattle has zero rushing touchdowns this year on 112 carries. Oh, I hate that. He also has, you know, pretty regularly. He's getting three or more three catches around three catches. So that's good. All right. I think most people are still going to start Malik Neighbors but I think the, the stat that really blew me away with Malik Neighbors is that he is averaging 1.6 yak yuck per catch, yuck per catch in his last six games. It's terrible. How is that even possible?

[Jacob]

I can't wait for next year.

[Jamie]

There's gotta be a quarterback.

[Dave]

I guess just he doesn't. He never scores the lowest scoring team in football and he's not doing anything after the catch and they never throw it deep to him either. No big plays. All right. This hit the quarterbacks, by the way. We don't even know better or worse.

[Jamie]

If Drew Lock starts though.

[Dave]

Yeah, I was gonna say we didn't have another problem.

[Heath]

I do think like just remembering the last two weeks of the Cowboys playing better against receivers like Nico had that screen for a long Touchdown called back. McLaren had that dumb touch like you don't have to have a past 30 yards downfield to score against this defense. They still do dumb things sometimes. Neighbors. Neighbors might have an 80 yard touchdown in this game.

[Jamie]

It did help them though getting drawn. Bland Black.

[Dave]

Yeah, they're on Bland's back Mike.

[Adam]

They've been better.

[Dave]

Honestly. They've been a little bit better since Micah Parsons came back a couple weeks ago. Yeah, I had a bad fourth quarter.

[Heath]

Like speaking of Micah Parsons, the Cowboys are still available in 40 of leagues. They're my number one DST this week.

[Dave]

They are not available in any of my leagues. I put in those claims. They are available. I saw the Bills DST available in some leagues. They could be really good this week under the right circumstances. All right, anything else here? Schoon Maker Schoon man Jamie starter sit Luke Skoon Maker I would sit him.

[Jamie]

I mean for whatever it's worth. This Giants team has been really good against tight ends. It happened again last week with Kate Otten. I don't know if it's a lack of targets, lack of production because of a lack of targets. Just tight ends have not done well. Zach Ertz had two terrible games against them. I forget the list of guys. I just remember that Ertz was, you know, somebody that I said sit at the time.

[Dave]

Well, Jake Ferguson, he had 7 for 49 on seven targets and that was I think the best PPR game that anyone's had against them.

[Jamie]

There you go.

[Heath]

There's not but and I don't know if Jamie agrees like if I picked up him screw maker to stream him last week. There's not a streamer this week that I like better so I'm probably just starting him again.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I, I would hope most people who picked him up did it with six teams on a buy right. And everybody back. Like you can certainly make a case for Schoonmaker over Laporta and and maybe even Pitts pits and and some of these other guys that have been struggling. I just think, you know, if he doesn't have that big play he had a really bad stat Wing.

[Dave]

Only two tight ends have had more than four targets against the team. Pretty much, yeah. Jatavian Sanders. Okay, let's get to Las Vegas at Kansas City on Friday. Stat of the game There have been eight wide receivers with seven to 10 targets against the Chiefs. Seven of those wide receivers have scored 14.6 or more PPR fantasy points against Kansas City. You get if you get seven to ten targets almost always do well very well Against Kansas City. The only exception was Zay Flowers in Week one. So Jacoby Myers, does he get seven or more targets? He's done that in six of his last seven games.

[Heath]

That's kind of my favorite wide receiver on the show. Show. Besides, I'm on Ross A. Brown, I think.

[Dave]

Lamb.

[Heath]

Oh, Lamb. Man, there's too many games today.

[Dave]

I know.

[Jacob]

Okay, we get it. Like yeah, he's very good. He did well against them last time. He gets a lot of volume. It's. It's a good situation for sure.

[Heath]

It will be interesting because they've been so bad against tight ends, but they made it like their focus against the Raiders last time was stop Bowers and Bowers still scored 10 fantasy points. But I think they'll, they'll let Jacoby Myers have his to stop Bowers.

[Dave]

I think I, I personally think the Chiefs have struggled since they lost Jalen Watson, their number two cornerback. But. So it's really only relevant for Myers. But Myers and Bowers are starts. Does it even matter who the running back is? Are, Are you guys going to have Dave. Are you going to have a Raiders running back in the top 30?

[Jacob]

No. No. And the fact that Madison was practicing early on in the week just tells me that he could be the running downs guy and Amir Abdullah could be the passing downs guy. And there goes any. I don't know if. If it really was going to mean anything that Abdul played as many snaps as he did because he still only had like 13 touches last week. But he could still get five catches. I just don't know how many carries he'll get with Madison there. And I thought McCormick didn't look terrible in his limited audition. So maybe he gets in and sees three or four carries on top of it. It. I would avoid the whole thing. Plus Kansas City against the run, they've been dominant.

[Dave]

Number one. Number one. Jamie, let's talk about. Okay. Mahomes. Right? Great start this week.

[Jamie]

Great start this week. Yes, he is number one quarterback projected by SportsLine.

[Dave]

Yeah, he's the number five quarterback per game in six point per passing touchdown leagues in his last five games. On pace for four, 366 yards. Yards, 41 touchdowns plus another 357 rushing yards. A lot of shorts.

[Jamie]

Just gotta wait.

[Dave]

Yeah, a lot of short stuff though. Almost nothing downfield. In fact, he's got 12 touchdowns in his last five games and 11 of them from 11. No way. 11 fewer yards.

[Heath]

Oh yeah. There have been some shots downfield. It's just Xavier Worthy always catches them with one foot out of bounce.

[Dave]

All right, so that's all he's got there. So I said earlier, Heath, that the. The Chief said they're going to determine the running back split in game. So that seems to indicate that Pacheco is going to play this week. How do you feel about the Chiefs running backs in a. A wonderful matchup?

[Heath]

I would rather Kareem Hunt will be the one I want to start. But like I'll probably have Hunt just ahead of DeAndre Swift, well ahead of Nick Chubb, definitely ahead of anybody. I wouldn't start anybody off the waiver wire ahead of Cream Hunt. But also if you had two good running backs and Kareem Hunt, then now you have two good running backs.

[Dave]

Tracy and. And Dowdle, it'll pro.

[Heath]

They're all going to be in the same range. But I will probably have Tracy and Daddle just ahead of Hunt.

[Jamie]

You have to play them Thursday though, because we don't know if Pacheco will actually play.

[Dave]

Yeah, I mean hopefully we'll know by then, but it certainly seems like Pacheco is going to play. Dave, would you start a wide receiver.

[Jacob]

For the Chiefs as no more than a number three wide receiver and Hopkins only in PPR worthy. Very much a boomer bus type of play and the floor is pretty low.

[Dave]

Yeah. I mentioned on beyond the box court and I talked about it two weeks in a row when juju's on the field. Hopkins is usually off the field. So it's like they split one role and Justin Watson plays too much. It's. They don't just don't play enough.

[Heath]

I have two packers and two Dolphins ahead of any Chiefs wide receiver.

[Dave]

Okay, makes sense. Anybody starting Noah Gray? Noah Gray or Luke Skoon maker, Skin maker.

[Jamie]

I would actually go Gray.

[Jacob]

Schoolmaker will play more than Gray. So just from that alone and I think he's got a better path to more targets. You're hoping. No.

[Jamie]

Agree.

[Jacob]

What?

[Jamie]

Who had more targets last week? I don't. I don't know the answer.

[Dave]

I think Schoonmaker greatly.

[Jacob]

No, I thought Schoolmaker may have only had maybe only three catches and five targets. It was something like that. But they were both pretty low. They both scored. They both came through. Gray more so than. Than Schoonmaker. I. I think Noah Gray was used. Gray was used more as like kind of that middle of the field guy, short area targets. Kind of like what juju was doing before juju got hurt and a little bit of what Rashid Rice was doing before Rashid Rice got hurt. And so if he manages to keep doing that and maybe sees a little uptick in his playing time at that point would I consider him a viable fantasy tight end. Otherwise I'd be calling him a good bye week tight end. He's a good streaming tight end. That that's really where Noah Gray lands for me.

[Dave]

Start the Chiefs DST. And someone told me in the comments yesterday on YouTube that the song Spoon man is about a street performer who played music with spoons. So now, now we know.

[Jamie]

If you don't like your kicker, pick up Matt, right And then just drop him if what's his name, Schrader plays. But this team just bleeds points to kickers, the Raiders.

[Dave]

Okay, that's it for today's show. We've got more for you. Tonight at 9pm Eastern we're doing our starter sit for the AFC home games. That'll be our Thanksgiving show. And then Dave, Jamie and Heath or Dave and Jamie, whoever it's going to be on Friday. We'll have the rest of the slate the NFC home games. I hope everybody has an amazing Thanksgiving and I and I'll say it on Thursday nights or Wednesday night show that airs Thursday. I'm very thankful for our entire audience and for all of you who've supported us throughout the years and for my wonderful colleagues as well. So for them, for you, for me. I'm Adam. Laura. I'm out of here. We'll talk to you later tonight with more fantasy football today. Paramount Podcasts.

[Jacob]

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