Mailbag and Fantasy Cops! (12/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Mailbag & Fantasy Cops! (12/06/25)

Episode Overview

This episode of Fantasy Football Today, hosted by Adam Aizer with analysts Dan Schneier and Dave Richard, is a lively combination of fantasy football advice, answering listener mailbag questions, and the return of the popular "Fantasy Cops" segment to settle league disputes. The crew tackles start/sit dilemmas, weighs in on strategy and scoring debates, and resolves drama from the trenches of home leagues—all with their signature blend of insight, banter, and dad jokes.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Injury & News Updates

• Marvin Harrison Jr. is OUT
• Kyler Murray ruled OUT for the year
• Trey Benson also ruled out and uncertain to return this season.
• Mike Evans & Tristan Wirfs practiced; Evans questionable.
• Jaden Daniels will START this week, Higgins expected to play.

“I don’t know the specifics, but Kyler Murray—he’s been ruled out for the year.”
—Adam (03:18)

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Listener Mailbag: Start/Sit & Flex Dilemmas

Rapid Fire Start/Sit Advice

• Devonta Smith vs. Chris Godwin vs. Kyle Menangai

  • Consensus: Smith has the most upside; Godwin is consideration if Evans sits.

    “I just think that there's more upside with Smith, especially in a matchup that's favorable.” —Dave (05:42) “I actually think I’d go Godwin here.” —Dan (06:19)

• Superflex: Tyler Shuck/Jaden Daniels vs. Sutton/Myers

  • Start the QBs, especially in superflex. (08:56)

• Flex 2 (McLaurin, Dobbs, Worthy, Schultz, Rodriguez)

  • McLaurin and Rodriguez, with some debate about Schultz for half-PPR. (09:33)

Notable Running Back Quandaries

• Devin Neal, Ashton Genti, RJ Harvey, Bam Knight

  • Harvey is a lock, leaning Genti for PPR floor despite O-line woes. (08:22)

• Tyler Shuck and Jaden Daniels or Sutton/Myers (Superflex):

  • “I’m always starting the quarterback.” —Dan (08:56)

• Omarion Hampton vs. Charbonnet vs. Jordan Mason (and tight ends for FLEX):

  • If Aaron Jones is out, Mason is safe. Otherwise, Hampton. For FLEX, lean Kyle Pitts depending on volume, but Kincaid is a consideration if active.

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Strategic Fantasy Debates

RB vs. WR Value & Zero/“Hero” RB

• Discussion of this season’s RB/WR landscape and implications for future draft strategy.
• Dan points to “meta” NFL trends (zone defenses) and proliferation of RB committees—making “hero RB” (1 stud early, then wait) the preferred approach.

  “It's become a stud or dud-type position at running back… It probably makes sense to go hero running back, never zero.” —Dan (30:25–30:45)

• Adam: Top RBs are dominating as a group, but the RB depth falls apart quickly after RB10 or so; WR busts/injuries compounded the issue.

Point Per First Down vs. PPR

• Lively debate about the merits of point-per-first-down scoring vs. traditional PPR.
• Dan advocates for point-per-first-down to reward meaningful plays, not just receptions; Adam argues the difference is incremental and prefers half-PPR for balance.

  “You get points for first down...I like the idea of changing scoring rules, but if we're looking for a standard…” —Dan (36:30) “Catching a ball is a good thing.” —Adam (38:55)

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Fantasy Cops: League Dispute Resolutions

1. Collusion Text Revealed (43:20)

• Scenario: Manager Cason initiates a “let’s collude” text to stop a powerhouse team, resulting in a trade. Pete (recipient) confesses and provides the text evidence.
• Dilemma: Should both be banned from playoffs? Does coming clean count for leniency? Eject from league next season?
• Judgment:
  • Dan: Both must be banned from the playoffs and removed from the league—“Once a colluder, always a colluder.” (45:25)
  • Adam: Ban from playoffs is minimum, removing from friends’ leagues is tough but justified; at least ban playoffs.

“They cheated and there’s grounds for removal, but in real life...it’s easier said than done.” —Adam (45:54)

2. Trade Review Window Controversy (47:13)

• Should a previously agreed trade be voided if, during the review window, one team is eliminated?
• Both: Let the trade go through—decision was made in good faith before elimination; “review windows” are antiquated and slow things down.

3. Old Trade Offer Accepted Weeks Later (Sleeper League) (48:11)

• Controversy: Standing trade offer accepted 8 weeks after being “rejected” via message but not in app.
• Adam: Strongly says it should NOT go through—intent matters and fantasy is for fun, not exploiting technicalities. “Who cares? Reject the trade!” (50:35)
• Dan: Leans Adam’s way, but notes that managers should be careful and clear about outstanding offers.

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Lifestyle, Banter & Notable Moments

Dad Joke Scale & Running Jokes

• Dan repeatedly rates dad jokes, revealing some as “4” or “2.3” on his scale.

  “That’s a four. Four on the dad joke scale.” —Dan (13:45)

Movie Culture Gaps

• Dan reveals he’s never seen Terminator or any Rocky film, drawing mock concern from Adam and Dave.
• Extended debate over “curmudgeon” label—Adam insists Dan’s aversion to classics and dad jokes earns him the title; Dan protests.

Sandwich & Lunch Stories

• Adam recounts getting a sandwich with a bug in it and still returning to the same shop—Dan is incredulous and compares it unfavorably to his planned lunch at Ferraro’s. Hijinks ensue.

Rankings & TV Debates

• Listeners push back on crew’s TV rankings (The Shield vs Wire), prompting Dan’s passionate defense and claims that The Wire is “the greatest show of all time.” (40:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let's collude so Ethan doesn't win fantasy… I honestly want to collude so that he doesn't win.” —Casein in Fantasy Cops text (43:26)
• “I'm just gonna try to walk into a Sharb[onnet] touchdown there. I don't love what's there.” —Dan (23:29)
• “Are you a supposedly guy? Because supposedly does drive me…” —Adam, about pet peeves (34:33)
• “Fantasy is supposed to be fun. Don’t be such a B-buster!” —Adam on the old trade loophole (50:00)
• “Am I the only psycho that’s really not that worried about Lamar?” —Listener question (54:57)
• “I keep hearing your love for the show the Shield...Give [The Wire] another shot.” —Listener Chris (39:32)
• Ending dad joke: “What did the constipated curmudgeon say? I don’t take crap.” (61:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:07] News: Marvin Harrison Jr., Kyler Murray updates
• [05:42] Start/Sit: Devonta Smith vs. Godwin/Menangai
• [08:22] Start 2: Neal, Genti, Harvey, Bam Knight
• [23:11] Mailbag: Charbonnet, Hampton, Mason, Pitts, etc.
• [28:48] Zero/Hero RB Meta-Analysis
• [34:04] Listener Language Pet Peeves ("espresso" vs "expresso")
• [36:03] Scoring Formats: Point per First Down vs. PPR
• [43:20] Fantasy Cops: Collusion and Text Thread Drama
• [47:13] Fantasy Cops: Trade Review Window Dispute
• [48:11] Fantasy Cops: Old Trade Offer Accepted
• [53:22] Tanking or Throwing a Match for Matchup Advantage
• [61:21] Final Dad Joke, episode close

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Final Thoughts

This was a classic, rapid-fire FFT episode, balancing expert advice with league drama, lively debates, and plenty of friendly ribbing. The crew fielded every conceivable start/sit situation, settled some tricky league disputes, and shared authentic reflections on strategy as the fantasy playoffs approach. For fans or newcomers, it’s a snapshot of why the show remains a fixture for fantasy footballers everywhere.

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Transcript

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[Dan Schneier]

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[Adam]

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[Dave Richard]

Time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam]

Off to the races and he stays at his feet.

[Dan Schneier]

Chris is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

It's mailbag time. What's going on? Welcome to the show. Adam Azer. Dan Schneier here. And maybe surprise appearance from Dave Richard. Keeping our fingers crossed on this mailbag episode of Fantasy Football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. We Have a legendary fantasy cops text message. Another text message to read, dan, I have no issues now. You guys gave me the green light to violate privacy, and I am all about it now. It went well last week, so let's do it again.

[Dan Schneier]

Last week might go down as the best fantasy cops in the history of the mailbag. I am excited, but can we top that? You think it tops that?

[Adam]

Wait until you read the text. The text message today is just. It's just.

[Dan Schneier]

You know, it's funny. If I looked back, there are some vit. There was some vitriol on some of the. The emails and text messages that went down in my leagues over the years. I would love to throw some of those back.

[Adam]

Yeah, this one. This one's a fun one as well. By the way, some news coming in. Marvin Harrison Jr. Is out. Kyler Murray is not going to play this season. He's been ruled out for the year.

[Dan Schneier]

Wow.

[Adam]

Get to some more news in a minute. Let's start with injury.

[Guest/Caller]

Ruled out.

[Dan Schneier]

That they just said we don't want you anymore. I don't know.

[Adam]

I don't know the specifics, but.

[Dan Schneier]

Why doesn't he want me, man? Is that the line? What was that? You know, the Will Smith scene.

[Adam]

Oh, in Fresh Prince.

[Dan Schneier]

Uncle Phil, why don't you love me, man? Yeah, it's one of the, like, most emotional scenes in the history of television for me at least. I already forgot the quote, so it couldn't have had that much of an impact on me.

[Adam]

I remember it, though. It's a good point.

[Dan Schneier]

Great.

[Adam]

I'll never forget. Yeah, well, we're so rich, how come we can't afford a ceiling?

[Dan Schneier]

Remember that? That's from freshman's. No.

[Adam]

Yeah, that they pan up and he shows that they're, like, on a set and there's all this.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, no, I know. I didn't. I don't know that I. And I did watch that show growing up a bunch, but yeah, great. Memory loses. Yep.

[Adam]

All right, so today, YouTube comments, Apple podcast questions, Spotify questions, emails, of course, at Fantasy Football. @cbsi.com that's the letter I. Fantasy Football, CBS I.com and. Oh, Fantasy cops. All right, let's start with your. Your comments on YouTube.

Yes, Jaden. Good job picking up Jaden Daniels. And we don't really have any questions yet.

[Dan Schneier]

Wait, what's the Jaden latest on Jaden?

[Adam]

He's playing this week. He practiced in full. He's not officially playing, but he practiced in full.

[Dan Schneier]

He's playing this. I can't believe they're doing that.

[Adam]

All right, here's one. I have a big issue with the show, Adam. I'm a long term fan, but it was very disappointing to hear Dan not ever watching Terminator, especially part two. Let's make this happen for Dan.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. I mean, look, I'll be honest with you, Edison. I haven't seen a lot of great movies that have appeared. Like, I just. I don't know what is wrong with me. I don't understand what happened as a child or at any point in my life to get me to this point. But I haven't seen it. I haven't seen one, I haven't seen two. I haven't seen any of the Rockies. We went over that last week. That's low on my list. I'm probably not gonna go watch Rocky. But Terminator has Sci fi in it, right, Adam? It's like a Sci fi.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan Schneier]

So that gets me. So I will probably give that a shot at some point. My next thing is I'm going to watch Alien, the movies. I never saw that one and two. And then watch the new series they had on Netflix because I think I'll like that. So.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dan Schneier]

This is going to come later. Terminator.

[Adam]

Well, Dave is here. Dave, you just heard you got a glimpse into the mailbag of what is wrong with Dan. It's basically a diet.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It's therapy.

[Dave Richard]

How much time we got?

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah, yeah. It's not enough.

[Adam]

Not that much today. So let's go to this question. Should I sit devonte Smith for Chris Godwin or Kyle Menangai?

[Dave Richard]

I get where you're coming from on that, but I wouldn't do it. I just think that there's a more upside with Smith, especially in a matchup that's favorable for when he gets targets and when he does go off, it's against zone coverage and he should be able to win on some in breaking routes there.

[Dan Schneier]

I like that. I think it's between him and Godwin for me. We did Tampa tape for beyond the box tour this week. I was actually really impressed with Godwin.

[Dave Richard]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Adam]

Yeah, I was not.

[Dan Schneier]

I was. And Baker missed him on multiple times where he sat in zone and would. And Baker just couldn't get through him to him in the progression. Like I think that's just going to improve with time the report. I actually think I'd go Godwin here.

[Adam]

Okay. Wow.

[Dave Richard]

You've talked yourself into God.

[Adam]

If Evans plays, I can't go Godwin and he might play.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't think that hurts him really personally.

[Adam]

I. I could. We have never seen.

[Dan Schneier]

It's not a vault.

[Adam]

We've never seen this. We have never seen Evans a Booka. God.

[Dan Schneier]

Right.

[Adam]

Last year we didn't see a third option ever.

[Dan Schneier]

Don't think Evans is playing this week. Is he still playing?

[Adam]

He practiced again today. He might play. All right, let's go to this one. Start.

[Dan Schneier]

By the way, Dave, I haven't asked you this because you haven't been on Mailbag.

[Guest/Caller]

Sure.

[Dan Schneier]

Are you on a scale of 1 to 10 rate if you think like dad jokes? I'll just put it that way. Dad jokes. Dad jokes. 10 being you love them. You want to hear them. You think they're funny. You think they're clever. One being you could do better.

[Dave Richard]

What do you mean you could do better?

[Adam]

Oh, that's a bad one. One is. One is, they're awful. They suck.

[Dan Schneier]

They're just not. Okay, I'll. I'll rephrase. This one is you. You don't laugh when you hear them. 10 is you just crack up. It's just, you can't. You lose your mind. They're so funny.

[Dave Richard]

I mean, like seven or eight. Like, usually I, I appreciate creativity. And Adam will tell you, like, I get mad at him when he's not creative, when he gets me for game of the week. So when I hear a clever dad joke.

[Dan Schneier]

Well, I didn't say clever. I didn't say clever. There are clever ones and they're unclear.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, but I appreciate them. I like them for that.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right, listen, I got. I got an email here from Ryan and it says holiday themed dad joke. So, Dan, why was the letter E the only letter to receive a gift from Santa Claus?

Because. Because all the other letters were not either.

[Dan Schneier]

What?

[Dave Richard]

It's clever.

[Dan Schneier]

Naughty. Oh, all right, all right.

[Adam]

Okay, let's answer this question on the screen here because I actually have to go in 45 minutes. So. Neil, start two. Devin, Neal, Ashton, Genti, RJ Harvey, Bam. Knight.

[Dave Richard]

I think the rookies. Well, Neil's a rookie. Gentian. Harvey.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah, Harvey's the lock here. I wish. I hate when they don't do the ppr, the, the standard for me, but we're just gonna assume half. I think Harvey's the lock. Like, I. I gotta go Genti over this other two, but it's. It's a lot. Just because he's evolved enough in the passing game to give him that floor. But man, that O line is terrible. But yeah, Genti.

[Adam]

All right, this is a super flex question. Tyler Shuck and Jaden Daniels or One of these two. Cortland, Sutton, Jacoby, Myers. So basically, would you start Sutton or Sutter Myers?

[Dan Schneier]

I'm always starting the quarterback.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I would, too.

[Adam]

Why doesn't Dan love Christmas? Because Santa doesn't use truck drivers.

[Dan Schneier]

That's actually. See that. So it's more funny to me to hear a callback joke, like a circling back to something like a reference or something like that. That's more clever and funny to me than like, oh, they were all naughty or whatever.

[Adam]

Okay, have PPR flex two McLaurin, Dobbs, Worthy, Schultz. All right, let's.

We're not going to go without Jira. We're not going to go with Worthy. So let's pick two. McLaurin.

Schultz, Rodriguez.

[Dan Schneier]

Easy, too. I think it's McLaurin Rodriguez. For me.

[Dave Richard]

The half PPR makes me want to lean toward either Dobbs or Schultz.

[Dan Schneier]

Actually, you're right on Rodriguez.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I might, I might go with Schultz. It's not a great matchup for him, but he just gets so much volume.

[Dan Schneier]

Maybe McLaurin Dobbs for me. And I'm thinking about it.

[Dave Richard]

I don't hate it.

[Dan Schneier]

I do like Rodriguez. I want to be clear. I do like Rodriguez a lot. Moving forward.

[Adam]

I don't know how you could like him a lot. I don't know.

[Dan Schneier]

Because we watched the tape and their run game looks good.

[Adam]

Yeah, but he.

[Dave Richard]

No, I, I. Yeah.

[Dan Schneier]

What's that? Not like he doesn't catch the ball.

[Dave Richard]

Ever catch the ball.

[Adam]

And he doesn't get that many carries.

[Dan Schneier]

Great. What do you mean he doesn't get that many?

[Adam]

Doesn't get that many. He's like one game with more than 12 carries.

[Dan Schneier]

He gets the red zone carries.

[Adam]

He does. But now Daniels, their offenses could be.

[Dan Schneier]

Really good with Daniel's back.

[Adam]

I. Yeah, I mean, I like.

[Dan Schneier]

What are we competing against the likes of like Kenneth Walker in his time chair where he doesn't get goal lines. Like, there's nothing. What are we looking at past like RB11? We're looking at a lot of nonsense at the running back position. A lot of players you cannot rely on.

[Adam]

He has two targets this year. That's never. Not a kid. I can't love a guy who has two targets all season.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay, let me, let me rephrase it by love. Love relative to the context of the running back position in fantasy right now. All right.

[Adam]

You're doing a lot of rephrasing today, so.

This is a start. 2Ameka Buka, Nico Collins, Chris Olave.

[Dan Schneier]

Nico and Olave for me.

[Dave Richard]

Agreed.

[Adam]

Jacoby Brissette or Joe Burrow.

[Dan Schneier]

Burrow.

[Adam]

Joey Baker or Lamar.

[Dave Richard]

I would. Oh, somebody say my name. What? No.

[Guest/Caller]

Dude.

[Dan Schneier]

Get out of my chair.

[Dave Richard]

My chair, please.

[Adam]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Richard]

How you doing, buddy? How's it going?

[Dan Schneier]

Wow, what an appearance.

[Adam]

Oh, my gosh. Joey Wright.

[Dan Schneier]

What's up, Joey Wright.

[Dave Richard]

How you doing?

[Adam]

That was awesome.

[Dan Schneier]

I live and breathe. That was great. You need to go. I would have liked a little more physicality.

[Dave Richard]

It's about time I come down to South Florida and claim the office that one day I was hoping was going to be mine. But for a couple minutes, I'll sit.

[Guest/Caller]

Here with you guys.

[Dan Schneier]

That's the King's office down there. Whenever I visit Fort Lauderdale, I always, you know, peruse the office. I get my little desk that's like nobody around, and then I. I check.

[Dave Richard]

Over and I see I'm allowed to.

[Dan Schneier]

Grinding away in that office.

[Adam]

Well, this is also the best surprise. All right. We can.

[Dan Schneier]

We can.

[Adam]

All right. Let's.

[Dan Schneier]

Let's. That look like. That looked like the Patriots linebackers hitting Jackson dart the other night out of hands. That's what that looked like.

[Adam]

So anyway, I'm trying to. Joey, you can follow him at the. Joey Wright. He works for football. Guys, I don't know if we're. Are we apparently hiring?

[Dave Richard]

He's got a plug. I didn't. I was expecting that. I was just trying to make you guys laugh.

[Adam]

Now he's moving. Now he's working at CBS Today. DJ Moore or Adonai Mitchell.

[Dave Richard]

You get so somebody else off camera saying Adnai Mitchell. And I agree with that. He's getting tons of targets. Even when Garrett Wilson, if he comes back, I still like Adnai Mitchell.

[Adam]

Yeah. Start to DK Metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr. Adonai Mitchell. Bam Knight.

Yikes.

[Dave Richard]

I. I kind of like Bam Knight. Like it's an RB2 this week.

[Dan Schneier]

And.

[Dave Richard]

Man, I don't know.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'm going Bam and dk.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Dan.

[Dave Richard]

I don't think they can hear you.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't really wanna. It's like it all sounds horrible. I think Bam Knight's the one I feel the most comfortable with.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right.

[Dan Schneier]

I think the most upside is.

[Adam]

Is actually BTJ Dan is a 30 year old curmudgeon.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. I hate this tag that I'm a conversion.

[Adam]

First of all. Thank you. The guy who's just crapping all over dad jokes.

[Dan Schneier]

You're.

[Adam]

You're a good time for everyone.

[Guest/Caller]

It doesn't.

[Dan Schneier]

Wow. Wow, dude. Wow. You know what? Okay. Noted, noted. That's. Hey, Dan, that out on you, on the tennis courts.

[Adam]

Did you hear about the wig accident the other day?

[Dan Schneier]

No.

[Adam]

The police are combing through the evidence.

[Dan Schneier]

Nice. Nice, Joe.

[Adam]

You didn't like that?

[Dave Richard]

I didn't like that one.

[Dan Schneier]

No. Yeah, yeah. Okay. At best, I'll start rating these. That's a four. Four on the dad joke scale.

[Adam]

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[Dan Schneier]

We're at 11:00am I need to defend myself real quick. Just got here and I'm not surprised. Dan's defending himself as not being a curmudgeon. I don't think I'm a curmudgeon. I just don't like dad jokes. What else am I a curmudgeon about? I'm pretty jolly happy guy.

[Adam]

You're not gonna see the Rocky movies?

[Dan Schneier]

I'm not a curmudgeon about it. I just haven't seen them. That's not being a curmudgeon.

[Adam]

You just said like I'm like I don't have time. I'm not gonna watch Rocky movies. Movies? Why would I watch. Why would I watch a movie when I can watch TV shows? You're a commudion about movies.

[Dan Schneier]

Pretty good impression. But I never said why would I watch movies when I could watch.

[Dave Richard]

A curmudgeon is a grumpy, bad tempered, difficult person who is often stubborn and full of resentment.

[Dan Schneier]

That is not me, dude.

[Dave Richard]

You're not full of resentment or stubborn.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm optimizing so many things.

[Adam]

I'm stubborn.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, yes, you are. Way more stubborn than me. Way more stubborn than me. It's not even remotely close.

[Adam]

All right, listen.

[Dave Richard]

And when it comes to temper, there's.

[Dan Schneier]

No doubt that you're definitely have the bigger temper.

[Adam]

Yes, I guess so.

[Dan Schneier]

Evidenced by the show.

[Adam]

Go to the table, will you Just shut up already.

[Dan Schneier]

Look at those shoulders raised. You know he's serious on those shoulders.

[Adam]

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[Dan Schneier]

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[Adam]

Oh, who was it again? Let's see.

[Dan Schneier]

Was it pmt?

[Adam]

No.

[Dave Richard]

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[Adam]

The Power Trip. They beat the Pat McAfee Show.

[Dan Schneier]

I have.

[Dave Richard]

I have a conspiracy theory, Dan.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay.

[Adam]

Oh, I'm voting right now.

[Dave Richard]

By the way, Adam azer owns the 64.

[Dan Schneier]

Ooh, interesting, interesting.

[Dave Richard]

Here we are in the finals and somehow so many other really, really good shows are not in the finals. Yeah, like I expected to go up against Pat McAfee. I expected to get our butts kicked by Pat McAfee. And all of a sudden Adam just become very promotional for the 64, including just now. Oh, I voted on this other tournament. It was really great. So my conspiracy theory is that Adam owns the site.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah, there does seem to be a little cross pollination there. I will say this, if that's not true and there is no conspiracy. Well, shout out to our listeners and all the people voting for us. You guys are crushing it. We've always had a great community here, but yeah, I, I got to keep my eye on that one. It wouldn't. I wouldn't put that past Adam. Let's just.

[Adam]

I own very, very few things in life, Dave. Like me to own a website is pretty unrealistic. All right, quick news and notes. Marvin Harrison Jr. Is out. Kyler Murray is out for the season, as I mentioned. But also Trey Benson is not playing this week and they did not rule out him not playing at all this season. So I'm not sure Trey Benson's going to happen. Mike Evans and Tristan Worf's both prac. Both practice. Evans has a chance to play for Buffalo. Josh Palmer's doubtful. Joey Bosa is out. Dalton Kincaid and right tackle Spencer Brown are questionable. Left tackle Dion Dawkins will play. Joey Wright, thank you very much for, for hanging out and hopping on the show and beating up Dave. We're going to take a break. When we come back, your emails at Fantasy [e-mail] from holiday parties to festive.

[Dan Schneier]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Dan Schneier]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Adam]

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[Dan Schneier]

I think we lost Dave.

[Adam]

All right.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't know. He said we're leaving. I was going to ask where they're going for lunch. Very curious. Which lunch, clearly.

[Dave Richard]

What?

[Adam]

Did they say that?

[Dan Schneier]

No, I just. That where else would they be going? That just feels like a type of thing they were doing. I think it's probably to your La Spadas thing, which, again, maybe I can't even comment on it because at the risk of being called a curmudgeon about that place.

[Adam]

But you are, by the way. Dan, I'm going back to lunch today to the place that served me a sandwich with a bug on the lettuce two weeks ago.

[Dan Schneier]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I did not hear that.

[Adam]

I told it on the Sunday morning show. I guess I didn't say it on this show. Maybe I said no. I think I did with Jamie last week. Yeah, I was eating a sandwich. I never get lettuce on a sandwich. I decided to get lettuce on a sandwich. Lettuce falls out of my sandwich. I pick it up, I look at it. There's a little bug crawling around the antenna that I'll never forget. The antenna.

[Dan Schneier]

What happened? What'd you do?

[Adam]

I asked for a new sandwich without lettuce. I ate it. I'm going back today.

[Dan Schneier]

Wait, you went. You still ate something from that place?

[Adam]

I mean, the same thing today, buddy.

[Guest/Caller]

Why?

[Adam]

It's so good. What am I gonna do?

[Dan Schneier]

Like, what did you. What did they say when you showed them?

[Adam]

They are apologetic.

[Dan Schneier]

Just apologetic or like, mortified?

[Adam]

I mean, I think they probably could have given me my Money back. But I didn't ask.

[Dan Schneier]

But you didn't even get anything back. Oh, they remade the sandwich.

[Adam]

They remade the sandwich.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. The place I'm going to today, which I've been excited about going to forever, listen to the sandwich I'm going to get. It's called Ferraro's Italian Specialties. Now this is what I mean when I say, you know, poo poo. A place like La Spadas. I got places like Ferraro's Italian Specialties. I'm getting Michael's belly buster chicken cutlet, sharp provolone, hot fryer, prep peppers, broccoli rabe and crispy prosciutto with the balsamic glaze. I mean, you just don't beat that.

[Adam]

That's a really good. That's very good. The Broccoli Rob. I don't like, but that's a very good.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, why do you. Why are you out on Broccoli Rob? It's so good.

[Adam]

I'm only in on the Andy Bernard version of Broccoli Rob.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't even know what that is.

[Adam]

That's the name of his acapella group at Cordell. No, no, that's the name of. That's the name of one of the members of his acapella group, Broccoli Rob. Very funny. All right, Jaden Daniels is going to start this week, and I had one more news item that just came in. Yeah.

[Dan Schneier]

Wow. I just did not see this coming. I can't believe they're doing this. Washington, they got a lot to play for.

[Adam]

Jaden Daniels is going to start and T. Higgins is going to play as well. All right, let's get to your emails now from Andrew. Choose one running back and one flex in ppr. Zach Charbonnet. Omarion Hampton. Jordan Mason. Kyle Pitts. Well, let's start with the. With the running back, Charbonnet Hampton. Mason.

Oh, easy call for me. If Aaron Jones doesn't play, we're gonna go Mason. Yeah, if not, I'm probably gonna go. I'm gonna go Hampton. If Mason. If Aaron Jones plays, I'm gonna go Hampton.

[Dan Schneier]

Hampton. That was not where I thought you were going with that.

[Adam]

Start Charbonnet over Hampton.

[Dan Schneier]

I mean, the matchup's pretty good, right? Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it's a good game script. I think I'm just gonna try to walk into a sharpie touchdown there. I don't love what's there.

[Adam]

And then we need a flex between those two. Those running backs or Kyle Pitts. Brenton Strange. Or Dalton Kincaid. I'm gonna go with the tight end here.

[Dan Schneier]

Kyle Pitts, Brenton Stranger. I'm actually gonna go with Kyle Pitts. Look at the volume with Kyle Pitts and Kirk Cousins.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. It's like a 26% target share the last two weeks. Seattle's a good matchup. I'm fine with that.

[Dan Schneier]

Right.

[Adam]

I'm also fine with strange, but Kincaid is probably who I'm going with. The only thing is, I didn't love what Char McDermott said today. Oh. Greg Dorch is out. Whoa. Geez. All right. Michael Wilson to the moon. I didn't love what Sean McDermott said about Kincaid. He said something like he'd have to see something for him to play.

[Dan Schneier]

There's no chance I'm playing Concade in any lineups.

[Adam]

If we get a. Well, he's playing the greatest matchup in the world ever.

[Dan Schneier]

I know, but I don't think he's gonna have a huge involvement in this game plan.

[Adam]

All right, I'd like to. Mike Evans is out. Mike Evans and Jalen McMillan are out. Okay, So I expect Evans next week. Anyway, see what the reports are on Sunday about Kincaid. All right. Bruce needs a tight end. Juwan Johnson or Darren Waller.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm going Waller.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go Juwan Johnson. He's definitely safer.

[Dan Schneier]

The definitely safer play. I like Waller, though. Even last week, which wasn't huge, he still had some big, explosive plays.

[Adam]

Yeah, he looks pretty good out there.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Pick three wide receivers. So sit one. We're not going to sit Devonte Adams. So Abuka Debo Samuel or Pat Bryant?

[Dan Schneier]

Buka Debo or Pat Bryant. And we're sitting one.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'm sitting Pat Brian.

[Dan Schneier]

I was sitting Fat Brian. Yeah, that's easy.

[Adam]

And then Flex Manangai, Devin Neal or Darren Waller or Juwan Johnson or Pat Bryant.

[Dan Schneier]

Mananga Neil. Darren Waller, Pat or Pat Brian.

[Adam]

And who.

Like, be for you? Juwan Johnson.

I think I'm gonna go with.

Devin Neal if catches count.

[Dan Schneier]

If they don't, Neil. Yeah. Just take the volume.

[Adam]

If they don't, I'll go with Menangai.

[Dan Schneier]

Actually wasn't bad last week. Evan Neil. The Saints are like. We have, like, some weird. I finally watch a little shock.

[Adam]

Me, too.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't hate shock. I don't hate Chuck at all.

[Adam]

Yeah, No, I don't either. Just my issue is that each of the last two games, he's had half of his past attempts in the fourth quarter.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah.

[Adam]

They've just been very high volume.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. I don't mean for fantasy. I just mean moving forward as a potential somebody who could play in the NFL.

[Adam]

Maybe that's how I felt about Rattler, actually.

[Dan Schneier]

Maybe. Maybe it's all Kellen Moore. Yep.

[Adam]

From Matthew romo, Dunze, Terry McLaurin or Troy Franklin. PPR McLaurin.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah.

[Adam]

From Luke. Lamar Jackson.

[Dan Schneier]

Excited about McLaurin, by the way, for this week.

[Adam]

Lamar Jackson or Jordan Love?

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, cold. Green Bay. It is going to be horrifically hard to throw a football on Sunday in Green Bay. With that said, the matchup is unbelievable for Jordan Love in the packers pass game. And. And I do kind of like the coach speak and kind of the narrative of like, they're pissed off about what Ben Johnson said, and they even talked about it this week at his opening presser about the Packers. With that all said, I'm still going with Lamar.

[Adam]

What did Ben Johnson say during his.

[Dan Schneier]

Opening presser with the Bears, like, month, you know, when he first took the job? He's like, I love beating the packers twice a year and like, stuff like that. Like, we always beat the packers type stuff.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go with Lamar Jackson. I. I saw enough good stuff last week, granted, against. Against Cincinnati that I will go with him because Love has not been reliable. And I think they're going to run the ball. I think they're going to run the air out of the ball. Basically the packers. From Bill Start for Brian Thomas Jr. Woody Marks, Jordan Mason, Devin Neal, Adnai Mitchell, Kareem Hunt. Wow, that is tough.

[Dan Schneier]

Well, if. If Aaron Jones is out, I think Mason's definitely the best play here.

[Adam]

Mason is the easiest one because if he's either number one on this list, if Jones is out, or I'm not.

[Dan Schneier]

Starting him, or you just don't start him. Yeah.

[Adam]

After that, I think Adonai Mitchell.

Devin Neal, and I would say, who are the other two? Brian Thomas Jr. Kareem Hunt. Woody Marks.

[Dan Schneier]

I probably bench Hunt if. If Jones is out. Otherwise, if Jones is in, bench Mason.

[Adam]

I think I'm just gonna take a shot on Woody Marks.

[Dan Schneier]

No, I'm benching him.

[Adam]

No. Okay. My four would be, you know about Mason. So Mason would be either one or not in it. My other four would be Adonai Mitchell, Devin Neal.

Woody Marks, and I guess Kareem.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm benching Hunt. I don't like Hunt. Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

I'll start buying Thomas Jr. Over Hunt.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, next up from Matthew. I've listened to your show for over a decade now, and I've adopted the hero slash, zero RB strategy. I feel like the strategy has worked for so many years, but this year has been very different.

[Dan Schneier]

The top it wasn't great last year either by the way.

[Adam]

Hero and zero are so different though.

[Dan Schneier]

They are very different.

[Adam]

The top running back Running backs have.

[Dan Schneier]

Paid off more value than receivers.

[Adam]

The top running backs have been spectacular and have all stayed healthy. That coincided with wide receivers being really down this year. Is this because wide receiver is so bad or because running backs are standing out so much? Do you think this is a sign of things to come for the next few years?

[Dan Schneier]

Well, it's something that started last year for the most part and some will point to the idea of look, so many defenses are now adopting the Vic Fangio principles from that tree, which is a lot of zone coverage, a lot of more importantly just a lot of middle of the field open which means two safeties over the top split safety looks or cover three cover six and less middle of the field close one safety over the top which makes it a lot harder to throw the football down the field. And if it's harder to throw the football down the field, a lot of the times the good quarterbacks will check the running backs or just simply just run the football into advantageous boxes. But with two high safety split. So I think it's a meta thing on the NFL level. The question is though like it is also coinciding with a lot more committees this year. So yes there are those studs at the top but if you get past the top running backs this year, Adam, like we were looking at this week on beyond the box board like past RB 10 or 11, it gets disgusting fast. Like you're looking at oh am I going to play Kenneth Walker like Kenneth Walker? What am I getting out of that? Eight points, very little involvement in the pass game and almost no touchdown upside. And that's like your RB 12 or 13 in the in the rankings on a week to week basis. It's so I think it's like a become like a stud or dud type position running back where it probably makes sense to go hero Running back never.

[Adam]

0 yeah so looking at this year versus last year, this year we have five running backs averaging more than 21 fantasy points per game, which is insane by comparison. We have two wide receivers, JSN and Rashi Rice. We have McCaffrey, Taylor, Gibbs, Bijan and HN all averaging more than 21 points. Now HN and Bijan are just over so they could fall below that. But we also have only 10 running backs who have averaged 16 or more fantasy points per game in full PPR. Just 10. Scatter Boo is one of them. Last year, 16 PPR fantasy points per game. At running back, there were 13. So, yeah, it is a much different landscape right now because there are so many committees and it's really hurting the position. I would still go hero rb. The wide receiver position being disappointing is. Is interesting. So many busts with Jefferson. Nico being a bust and not even.

[Dan Schneier]

That bus injuries with neighbors.

[Adam]

Neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Is one of the biggest busts in fantasy.

[Dan Schneier]

Yep.

[Adam]

I don't know if it's a trend, but that what you said is really interesting. That's a good note. All right, how about a question From Paul.

Start 1 non PPR. T. Higgins, Ameca Abuka, Terry McLaurin, Devin Neal, and Alec Pierce.

[Dan Schneier]

Say that again. Higgins, Igbuka, Neil Pierce. And this is start one in non PPR.

I'm sticking with my boy McLaurin. Big McLaurin week coming. I'm in on it.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go Higgins. I don't love the weather. I think that's gonna be one of the biggest storylines on Sunday is how much snow are we getting there. But as of now, I'm going Higgins from Johnny Start.

One wide receiver and one flex. Abuka or McConkey.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, do we? Do we? What's our latest on. On Herbert?

[Adam]

We're expecting him to play.

[Dan Schneier]

I know, but it's just like the same as all week, right?

[Adam]

I'm a little skeptical.

[Dan Schneier]

I know. It's like it's expecting to play if there's like no updates on it. If it's Trey, Lance. That's a nightmare if you're starting with Conkey. But yeah, I don't.

[Adam]

I'd probably go a buka.

[Dan Schneier]

I guess I can.

[Adam]

I'd probably go anyway.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm not a big fan of Igbuga right now. In fantasy.

[Adam]

From what I've seen, I'm not.

[Dan Schneier]

Not him. Just the role and just everything with that offense.

[Adam]

I love. If it is Herbert. If we know it's Herbert, I guess I go McConkey same.

[Dan Schneier]

We don't know that.

[Adam]

Definitely a buka. And then we need a flex between.

[Dan Schneier]

We won't know that either.

[Adam]

We might between the other wide receiver, DeAndre Swift and Kyle Menangai.

[Dan Schneier]

Ugh.

And this is PBR fault.

[Adam]

I'm not sure.

[Dan Schneier]

I think he said full ppr. Maybe not. If it's pbr. I think you do have to just go with the two receivers.

I don't. I just like. I'm not expecting this massive game from Swift and mangai like he like last week. But then again, we could be at a point where this Bears combination of how well their interior offensive line is playing with Dolman and the additions they made, plus Ben Johnson, just genius scheming in the run game where no run defense can stop them because Philly was a great run defense and should have been able to stop them. I don't know if we're at that point. I think Green Bay will have answers in the run game. That's how I would lean in. This one Green Bay, six and a half point favorite. So I think I bench both the running backs.

[Adam]

If it's ppr, that's fair. I don't think there's an obvious answer here. All right, this one is from Tim. He says, I think Dan has somehow gotten away with this for too long. Oh, but he calls espresso X espresso.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't know why I do that.

[Adam]

Really emphasizes the X. It feels like something that Dan would get extremely mad at someone else for. And I find it very hypocritical that he mispronounces it. I have also considered putting butter in my coffee just to try it out, but I can't get over how gross it is. And I know he's gonna respond to that by saying, you can't just put any butter in your coffee. It specifically has to be Kerry Gold butter.

[Dan Schneier]

He's right. Yeah. He mean, he nailed me for the most part. I don't know. Am I someone who gets mad at how people pronounce things?

[Adam]

Are you a supposedly guy? Because supposedly does drive me.

[Dan Schneier]

First of all, I gotta change espresso. I think just idiotically, my whole life I maybe thought it was espresso, but I guess it's. It's obviously espresso. Espresso. But I also don't saying espresso. It just gets me to like that, like, we got espresso. You know what I mean?

[Adam]

I don't know what that is.

[Dan Schneier]

It's kind of just like a Barcelona. You know, like, you gotta say it like that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. But probably just offended a lot of people with that thing. But let me just go back on this and say. I don't think I. I'm hypocritical because I don't get on people for their lack of pronunciation. I just always say, like, do we have to call him Bijan? When he, like, said himself. I don't mind if you call me Bijan. That type of stuff. But you can pronounce it how you want.

[Adam]

Okay, this one is from Devon in a tiny.

[Dan Schneier]

As far as the butter goes, I'm off the butter. By the way, I'm back to just full black coffee because I have to keep the. I'm trying to do the intermittent fasting again since I just put on eight pounds of disgusting pure fat over the. Yeah, it's bad. I played my brother. I told you I played my brother last weekend. He's starting to get good at tennis and it's. I don't want to ever lose a set to him ever in my life. And he get first set. I won six, two, just like against you. Second set, I'm completely out of breath. It's. It's like five, four. I'm like dying in the game and I know I. Luckily I won that game. If I didn't win that game, I'm losing that set. Basically a repeat of what happened against you. I had no energy.

[Adam]

All right, here some Devin says. Dear Clubber, Yvonne, Tommy and Mason. I know what that is. Dan doesn't. PPR scoring.

[Dan Schneier]

Hold on, hold on. Clubber Lang. I know the name. Have no idea what it's from. Rocky, like the name. Oh, that's Rocky theory. Okay.

[Adam]

All right. PPR scoring is an abomination and should never have become the industry standard. I'm happy to have heard some point per first down talk this year. Although rather limited. It'd be awesome if you guys use your influence over the community to push for an end to PPR and the adoption of point per first down as the new industry standard. Make points matter again.

[Dan Schneier]

I love this. I really love this take. I've talked about this with Dave. Actually, he's not on the show anymore. He was on earlier, like two, three weeks ago. We talked about trying to figure out a way to get this moving, get some momentum for it. I don't know if we're ever going to be able to change it. There's a lot of things I'd like to change about fantasy for the most part. Like I think all leagues should be auctions, but I know people don't have the time. I think all leagues should be apex scoring, which means you play your scheduled match up each week and then the top six teams get a win and the bottom six teams get a loss. So you can go one on one two zero or zero two and it's a much fairer way to play fantasy. But this is definitely in my mind one of the better ways to alter the scoring. Right? You get points for first down and you could just do People say, like, oh, but won't that be unfair to quarterbacks? You could just do it just like you do for passing yards versus rushing receiving yards. Right. Passing yards are a quarter of a point of a rushing and receiving yard. Same thing. A first down for a running back or receiver could be one. And a first down for a quarterback could be 0.25 with a throne first down.

[Adam]

Oh, well, yeah, I don't really know. Is there that big of a difference between first downs and catches?

[Dan Schneier]

What do you mean?

[Adam]

Like, if a receiver has a hundred catches, how many first downs do you think that. Obviously not gonna have a hundred first downs, but how big is the difference? Like, I. I kind of feel like point for first down is something too good for receivers, is something in between half and full ppr. Like, if you had no ppr, but you did point for first down for receivers. I'm thinking it's probably. Let me. Let me see how many first downs these guys have.

[Dan Schneier]

Hold on. Yeah, I don't know. I. I mean, I. I like the idea of, like, changing rules and, like. And just changing scoring rules, I should say. And. And having not all leagues be the same, personally. But if we're looking for a standard. Yeah, go ahead.

[Adam]

First downs.

Just remember this. Jackson, Smith and Jigba, Puka, Nakua, Jamar, Chase and AR and St. Brown, they all have more than. They have 81 to 86 catches. Okay, play result. First down. Let's see how many first downs they have. They have. Let's see. JSN has 59, Puka has 51, Jamar Chase has 48, St. Brown has 47.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. So about half.

[Adam]

Yeah, for some, it could be a little higher than half.

[Dan Schneier]

So essentially just half ppr.

[Adam]

Yeah, I would just do half ppr.

[Dan Schneier]

No, but that's not right, though, Adam. The point is not to just dupe half ppr. The point is, like, to reward the people who are actually doing good things on the football field.

[Adam]

Catching a ball is a good thing.

[Dan Schneier]

No, that. That's the whole point why people hate ppr. Haven't you seen Ian Harditz do his thing? Yeah, where he shows like, this was earned. Like, a Guy runs for 10 hard yards and he gets one point, but Guy catches some stupid pass and, like, falls down and gets a half a point.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's why I like half ppr. All right, we gotta go. He says, by the way, Devin says the proper rank. Rocky rankings are Rocky, 1 4, Rocky Balboa, 3, 2, 5. This is really wrong. Really wrong. It is 1, 2, 4, 3, Balboa 5. OK. This is from Chris.

[Dan Schneier]

He says watch all of those.

[Adam]

Yeah. Have I watched or do you need to.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm definitely not watching all of those.

[Adam]

Don't watch Rocky. Rocky 5 is an abomination. Rocky 5 is the PPR of Rocky. Chris says. I keep hearing your love for the show the Shield. I watched it and it's fine, solid B plus ranked around 50 on some of the best shows of all time rankings. Whereas the Wire is top five on some of those rankings and you couldn't get through it. Just another level of writing, acting and storytelling. Give it another shot.

[Dan Schneier]

I actually this is an interesting take because it really puts me to the test here because the Wire is the greatest show of all time. I've made that clear. Not no show like the Wire. Every single conversation, every single ounce of dialogue matters like the Wire. It's and is amazing to listen to. And then they have, you know, the schools, the streets, it's everything. The politicians. With that said, I hate this take about the Shield. The Shield is an Easy top 15 for me and maybe top 10. It's pushing on top 10. The shield was amazing. The ending was awesome. Just throughout was great.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't know.

[Adam]

Then it was awesome. All right, the question, the fantasy question was after tasting taking brief.

[Dan Schneier]

Can I ask you this real quick before we do that? Have you ever seen the always sunny impression of the Shield?

[Adam]

No.

[Dan Schneier]

So on an episode.

[Adam]

I'm sorry, I have 15 minutes. I have to leave. So just check that out. I will see.

[Dan Schneier]

Type in always sunny Shield impression. It's so good.

[Adam]

After taking Breeze hall and Garrett Wilson in the top 10 last year and Gentian Bowers in the top 15 ish this year, do we have to take a closer look at bad offense's ability to Support multiple top 20 players?

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah, we've said that for a while on this show.

[Adam]

100%. Absolutely. All right.

[Dan Schneier]

But then again, like, Bowers was part of a horrible offense last year.

[Adam]

Right? But it's both of them. It's hard for both of them to come through. We're going to take a break and we'll be right back with your with Fantasy Cops after this.

[Dan Schneier]

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[Adam]

Welcome back, everybody. All right, let's get to the fantasy cops. Here we go. This one is from Ethan, the commissioner of a 12 team PPR friends league. All right, that's Ethan needs our ruling. 15 minutes before our trade deadline, one manager, Cason reached out to another Pete, asking him to team up against me. They completed a trade that didn't look terrible, terrible on the surface. So I let it go through. The next day on Thanksgiving, Pete comes clean. He admits the trade was collusion and sends me the full text thread which clearly shows Cason initiated it and I immediately reversed the trade. Here's the dilemma. I've always believed that collusion equals automatic playoff ban. However, Pete owned up to his mistake. Both teams are basically locked into the playoffs already and have arguably the second and third best teams. Meanwhile, I'm 10 and two and I don't want it to look like I'm banning good teams just to help myself. So what's fair punishment? Do I ban both from the playoffs? Does Pete deserve leniency for admitting it? And should Casen be removed from the league next season? Let me read you the text, Dan.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh yeah, here we go.

[Adam]

Because maybe this wasn't collusion. Maybe it wasn't. Okay, so let's read the mean.

[Dan Schneier]

I thought he owned up and I want you to.

[Adam]

I'm going to read you the text. I want you to tell me if you think this is so this is Casein emailing. Who was it? What was his name? Pete. Pete. Okay, Case and says quote, let's collude so Ethan doesn't win fantasy. Literally everyone is just playing for second place. And then. And then Pete responds and Cason says, I'm just looking at Ethan's team and he has wide receiver 1, 2, 3 this week. QB 1, tight end, 2 and 2. Good running backs. I don't know how Ethan's team loses again unless someone gets injured. I honestly want to collude so that he doesn't win. Derrick Henry could be who you need.

[Dan Schneier]

What the heck?

[Adam]

I think this is collusion.

[Dan Schneier]

I, like, I'm so confused about everything going on here. Is this a group of. I assume this is a group of friends.

[Adam]

Yeah, it is.

[Dan Schneier]

It feels like a friends league, not like a paid online league. And like, they, like, are openly saying we're colluding. Do they know collusion is wrong?

[Adam]

Yeah, they're doing it anyway. But Kayson did not think that Pete was going to sell him. Like, you know, to sell him out like that and blow his cover. They thought he was going to get away with it, but Pete was like.

[Dan Schneier]

Pete was the one who came clean.

[Adam]

Yeah, Pete came clean.

[Dan Schneier]

Pete. The guilt got to Pete.

[Adam]

Yeah. You know that the guilt always gets people.

[Dan Schneier]

I've never thought about. I've never been in a league with collusion, so I've never thank, thankfully, in any of my home leagues, the ones I manage. I'm confused as to what I would do if collusion happened. Like, he's talking about a playoff. Like, I know what I do next year. Like, I have a no, strict no collusion policy. Like, once a cheater, always a cheater. One's a colluder, always. They're both out of my league. They're banned for life. They're not. They may not even be in the friend group after this. We'll see. We'll see what they can offer to get back in my good graces. But as far as the rest of the season goes, I don't. What, would you ban them from the playoffs? Because then what do you do? You manually put in the. The like seven, eight seeds or whatever. Like, I don't even know how you do that.

[Adam]

I think Case and has to be banned from the playoffs. I think they both do.

[Dan Schneier]

Wait, you don't think the other. They both have to. Well, as far, they're both just as guilty. To me. Just because one came clean doesn't make him. That doesn't make him.

[Adam]

Like, I would ban them from the playoffs but not remove them from the league because this is a friends group.

[Dan Schneier]

What? You would not remove them from the league.

[Adam]

It's not worth. It's not worth losing your friendship over. What do you.

[Dan Schneier]

It's not about losing a friendship because you kick somebody out. You say, look, I. You all right, colluded, you cheated, and that's it.

[Adam]

I mean, I sort of Agree with you. But it's also fun to play fantasy football against your friends. Right. And if it is going to jeopardize your friendship, it's not worth it.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay. Would it be fun if I got to play Madden with you, Adam? But I was on easy mode and you were on hard mode and I rigged it so you were on hard. Is that fun?

[Adam]

It's just a matter of how seriously they want to take it. I think there are grounds for regardless.

[Dan Schneier]

How serious you want to take it, it's a game that you're trying to play to have fun and win. It's not fun when one person has a cheating advantage.

[Adam]

It he they cheated and and there's grounds for removal. But in real life it's a lot easier for us who have no emotional connection to this league to say, yeah, kick these guys out of the league, take your two friends out of the league. Than it is for the guy, the commissioner who's commissioning a friends league to actually do that to his friends. So I think if you want to kick them out, you have basis for it. At the very least you need to ban them from the playoffs. They don't deserve to be in. All right.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't understand how. Don't husk how husky. Husky says don't kick him out. Now he knows no one will allow this to happen. There's no way the commission will know.

[Adam]

If you conclude and just don't admit.

[Dan Schneier]

To it, you can easily do this again.

[Adam]

All right, this next one is from Eric. Eric, help me settle an infamous nearly decade old dispute. If a trade is accepted when neither of the teams involved is eliminated, but by the time the two day review period has ended, one of them is eliminated. Should the trade go through?

[Dan Schneier]

Of course it should go through. I first of all, I'm going to start by saying this. The two we've had a bunch of questions on this and it really frustrates me every time, Adam. There should be this dumb two day trade review period. No review period. The trades in as long as there's no collusion and it's not ridiculously stupid looking. You'd say the commissioner gets on and he just pushes it through.

[Adam]

I hate this.

[Dan Schneier]

I hate how some leagues have this review period for days and then we've had problems where people are like, oh, the review period ran through like Sunday at one end the guy puts it through. No, you text the commission. At least in my leagues when I'm commissioned, I put it right through. Someone text me, hey, there was a trade. Check the page and Then accept. Put it through. Change your lineups now. Like, I. There's no. It should be no review period for trades.

[Adam]

All right. So I guess it goes through. I was going to say goes through. That it.

[Dan Schneier]

The decision was made before he was eliminated.

[Adam]

I feel that.

Unfortunately, I have to skip some of these.

[Dan Schneier]

No, we can't skip Kyle. I have to.

[Adam]

Dude, I have to run.

[Dan Schneier]

No, you don't.

[Adam]

I think I have more.

[Dan Schneier]

I'll do it for you. What do you have to do? Just don't get lunch at that place that serves.

[Adam]

Okay. Okay, here we go. From Aaron. This happened last year and it's still a controversy in our league. For context, the three of us have been in multiple fantasy leagues for over a decade together. Here's the situation. I made a trade offer on the sleeper platform to another manager, a longtime friend. It's a dynasty league and I was tanking. I offered early in the season last year, Chase Brown for Jordan Addison. That was the gist of the trade. The other manager messaged me on the app and said he was high on Addison and thus would not accept the trade. That was that in my eyes. Trade rejected. Over eight weeks later, I wake up to a notification that the trade was accepted in sleeper. The trade offer never goes away unless I physically remove it, which I didn't because I thought the offer was declined. Circumstances were wildly different where Chase Brown was ascending. I immediately texted the commissioner that this was not a valid trade offer anymore. I showed him the screenshot of the text that the owner said no. The commissioner said it was my fault for not removing the deal and refused to undo the trade. My point of view is that there should never be a trade completed in which one manager disagrees that it's valid. The commissioner did not care, said it was on me to work it out. This is less about the players and how it worked out and more about the principle of the situation. And this still causes arguments in our league. Over a year later. Can the fantasy cops give us a ruling? What should have happened here? So again, if you missed it, if you missed it, sorry. He makes a trade offer. Guy says no, doesn't. I guess he didn't click reject, but he says no. Eight weeks later, it was still there. He accepted the trade. What do you think?

[Dan Schneier]

So this is a very interesting one. I. I can see why this is still getting debated in your league and leading to arguments because it's the first fantasy cops we've ever gotten where I don't feel very strongly on either side.

[Adam]

I have a very strong opinion on this very.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay, maybe you weigh in first and then I'll. And I'll see where I'm at after.

[Adam]

No way. No way in heck. If I were the commissioner, would I have let that trade go through? If that manager said, I forgot, I left it there, I. It was already rejected eight weeks ago. No chance. Fantasy is supposed to be fun. Don't be such a. A B buster. Like, this guy didn't want to make the trade. He forgot to take it down. Give me a break. Who cares? Reject the trade. Obviously, one manager didn't want to do it, and it wasn't like immediate buyers remorse. He forgot about it. It was eight weeks ago. No chance. Would I let this trade happen? Not a chance.

[Dan Schneier]

I think I would tend to lean toward that while at the same time acknowledging how do you play in fantasy and leave a trade up there? When you go and check your team page, you should be seeing every day that you have this trade proposal still pending.

[Adam]

And so I don't know about Sleeper.

I mean, I've never made a trade.

[Dan Schneier]

Off Ron Sleeper, so I don't says it under transactions. I'm pretty sure on that app, Like, I just. And if you're using free agency during the year for the next, like, eight weeks, you should be seeing this. And so I almost wonder if, like, he left it up there on purpose because he wanted to accept it. No, no, I don't buy that. And not at the time. Obviously not after the eight weeks or whatever. Not Aaron.

[Adam]

Aaron would never do something like that.

[Dan Schneier]

I. I just don't. Like I'm with you. I think you're right. I definitely lean on your side, but it's. It's not great from the guy who just leaves the trade up.

[Adam]

All right, let's get to some Apple podcast questions here. This one is from.

[Dan Schneier]

Also, this is a good point by Aaron Johnson. Like, that's a slippery slope by you, Adam. Like, if you just said, like, it's now, like, it's your word versus his. Like, his word could be, I don't want that. But he might have. You know what I mean?

[Adam]

He had a text message of the guy saying, I don't want to do it, and then eight weeks later, it was done. Eight weeks. I mean, it was three days to be one thing, but eight weeks. And even in three days, I might. It might be forgiving. But eight weeks for sure. All right, we need. From Brad. We need a running back and a flex half ppr. So the running back is going to be Bam Knight, Woody Marks, Chris Rodriguez, or Devin, Neal.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm going with Rodriguez, and I made my case earlier. I really liked what I saw on tape this past week from Washington's run game. The blocking, the scheme, and then you add Jaden Daniels to the mix, and there's a lot more scoring opportunities. I know he doesn't catch passes, but I don't care.

[Adam]

All right, I'm fine with that. I think I might go bam. Night. But if D Markado plays, I probably wouldn't. But. All right, we need a flex. So Jefferson, Khalil, Shakir. I'm not even going to consider the other guy. It's going to be one of those two for me.

[Dan Schneier]

I'll just throw Jefferson in there. The matchup's good enough. Hopefully JJ can do something. I agree.

[Adam]

All right, this one is from Kyle. 10 and three. I'm locked into the two seed.

[Dan Schneier]

Okay.

[Adam]

Is it bad juju to purposely lose so I can have a better matchup in the first round of the playoffs?

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah. This is interesting. I'm in the similar spot in one of my leagues this week, and I'm debating what I want to do. I've never actually done this before, Adam, but looking ahead, falling from. Well, it's so. No, mine is even different. Mine is. I'm playing the guy who's the six seed right now, Adam. And the seven seed behind him is. Is the better team. And so if I beat this six seed, the current six seed, I move up to the three, and then I have to play the current seven who moves into the six, and I'm debating if I want to throw my matchup. I've never done it before. I personally don't think it's wrong at all.

[Adam]

Fine. It's.

[Dan Schneier]

It's your strategy. To me, it's strategy. Yeah.

[Adam]

It's. I equate this to a team benching their starters in week 18. It's your team. You've earned this right. With a good regular season, you can do what you want. And those teams that bench their starters in week 18, well, they could really be messing up the playoff picture for other teams in the NFL. Right. By letting this team have a free win. Basically.

[Dan Schneier]

Strategy.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right.

Let'S see. This is from T Money. Did you hear about the six scientists that lost their lives in California? They were trying to cross a crab and a cheetah. Things went sideways quickly.

[Dan Schneier]

Trying to understand that one.

[Adam]

They're trying to cross a crab and a cheetah. Things went sideways quickly.

[Dan Schneier]

What is the. I don't get. Why is the things going sideways?

[Adam]

Crabs Walk sideways. And cheetahs are very fast.

[Dan Schneier]

All right. Wow, that's bad.

[Adam]

Let's get some.

Spotify questions here.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, I said I'll rate every single dad joke on a 1 to 10 scale. That's 2.3, but maybe just because I'm too stupid to understand it.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think so. Pick two. Justin Jefferson, D.K. metcalf.

[Dan Schneier]

People think that was funny.

[Adam]

This is half PPR, so. Justin Jefferson, DK Metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr.

[Dan Schneier]

You said clever but not funny. D.K. metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr or who?

[Adam]

Jefferson. Pick two.

[Dan Schneier]

Jefferson. I'll go Metcalf and Metcalf. Yeah.

[Adam]

Crimson Elite says, am I the only psycho that's really not that worried about Lamar?

I'm a little worried. He's not running. Like, he. He doesn't want to run, it seems. And they just admitted that he's dealing with all these nagging injuries.

[Dan Schneier]

I'm more. And I'm more concerned with the passing right now and the way that he's seen the field and. And this whole Todd Monken offense that was so efficient for him throughout his time with Monkin and now just seems total. The timing is off. Everything looks bad there.

[Adam]

All right, this is Amanda. Oh, no.

[Dan Schneier]

There was no good reason for the Bengals defense to be able to stop Lamar last week. There's no reason they would take a step forward.

[Adam]

Sutton or. But they didn't stop him. You know, Isaiah likely fumbled at the goal line. Safe. Flowers had a long touchdown callback. Devonte's Walker dropped two deep balls. You know, he had point. He threw an interception in the red zone. Okay, Sutton or Genti?

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, man.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go Sutton.

[Dan Schneier]

I don't even love that, though. At least gently, like, Genti gets a bunch of dump downs, which is nice for his fantasy value, even though I just have zero faith at all in their offensive line.

[Adam]

All right, this is from Amanda.

[Dan Schneier]

Yes.

[Adam]

Who are you flexing? I have to go, Dan. Sorry. Flowers, Pierce Metcalfe, Quentin Johnston, Blake Corum, Flowers. Alec Pierce, Metcalf, Johnston Coram. Who are you flexing?

[Dan Schneier]

It's either Pierce or. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Metcalf or Flowers. Flowers, I guess.

[Adam]

Probably go Flowers, but I think Pierce is really interesting. The other guys suck. All right, this is from Ace. Aaron Jones, if he plays. Or Zach Charbonnet. PPR.

[Dan Schneier]

Again. I'm rolling. Sharps. I like the game script.

[Adam]

All right, you. I could see that you need a touchdown because he's awesome, so I would go with Jones, but I could see.

[Dan Schneier]

Jones doesn't Do anything anyway, though.

[Adam]

Sam Darnold or Jaden Daniels.

[Dan Schneier]

Jaden.

[Adam]

Yeah, Jaden Daniels. And from.

From Carlos. Thank you for voting for us, Carlos. Standard scoring. Daniel Jones or Jacoby Brissette. We're gonna go Brissette. We need a wide receiver and a flex. Okay, start Two wide receivers. A.J. brown, Abuka Adunze, McLaurin. Pick two in standard.

[Dan Schneier]

Brown. McLaurin.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go Brown and.

A book.

Brown and. Okay, fine. McLaurin and then a Flex. Charbonnet. Oh, Olave. Olave is number two. I'm sorry, it's Brown Olave. And then the flex is going to be a buka. Odunze McLaurin or Charbonnet. You're going to go McLaurin still?

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, that's fine.

[Dan Schneier]

McLaurin with Jaden Daniels. Sign me up.

[Adam]

All right. And we'll Finish with some YouTube comments for three minutes.

Flex Hampton, Waddle, Devante Smith.

[Dan Schneier]

Zero and no PPR. Yeah, it looks like. Oh, shout out, by the way, for Matt McCormick. Says he loves beyond the box score. Shout out to the beyond the box score show. You guys can find that on the YouTube feed and on its own Spotify and itunes. Please, like, subscribe and rate. Now that that plug has been delivered.

[Adam]

I will go with Waddle, Charbonnet or Woody Marks.

[Dan Schneier]

Like, again, I'm just gonna sharp it up and hope for the game script. Touchdown.

[Adam]

All right.

[Dan Schneier]

Such a good game script.

[Adam]

I'm gonna go Marks if catches can't. Even though he doesn't catch the ball.

[Dan Schneier]

He looks so hurt from marks to me. Like, looks gutting. Gutting through the year.

[Adam]

Interesting pick. Kirk Cousins or Geno Smith?

Cousins. Gino against the Raiders. No, thank you.

[Dan Schneier]

You mean Gino against the Chargers?

[Adam]

But yeah.

No, Gino is facing the Raiders. I mean, I mean the Broncos. The Broncos. The Broncos.

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, the Broncos. Yeah, we both are off on that.

[Adam]

Yeah. No Geno against the Broncos. No way.

[Dan Schneier]

Why did I think the Chargers are playing the Raiders this week? They're not.

[Adam]

Chargers Monday night against the Eagles.

[Dan Schneier]

Eagles. That's what it is. It's bad either way.

[Adam]

Oh, my gosh. Sorry. That was not for you. And then pick two. Gainwell, Harvey, Bam. And a Chargers running back.

[Dan Schneier]

Harvey for sure. Yeah, lock that one in.

Bam.

[Adam]

I guess I'll probably go with Hampton.

[Dan Schneier]

I am not going Hampton this week.

[Adam]

Start one running back, one flex, ppr. Judkins, Chase Brown, Bucky. This is a good one. Finally. Good players. Chase Brown, Bucky, Irving, Waddle and Judkins. I'm going Chase Brown, And Irving.

[Dan Schneier]

Same. Really enthused by what I saw from Bucky And Chase Brown's the lock of these four.

[Adam]

Trevor Lawrence or Lamar Jackson.

[Dan Schneier]

Lawrence looked as good as he's looked since Liam cone got him last week. And I think they might starting. They might be starting to figure out the route concepts that work for his skill set as a throw. And by that I mean those intermediate deep in breaking routes, that's the ones you can throw on those line drive lines, which I like.

So yeah, I'm gonna go with Trevor Lawrence.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan Schneier]

All right. And I take a lot of offense to jarhead. You're into a furnishing expert who never knows. I know the matchups. I got one matchup wrong and you're going off on me. Sometimes I gotta address the haters, Adam. I really do.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. I would go Lamar Jackson McLaurin or Jefferson.

[Dan Schneier]

McLaurin for me.

[Adam]

Dalton Schultz or Loveland?

[Dan Schneier]

Oh, here comes DN. He thinks we're the biggest Derek Henry haters on the show are if you guys. Do you guys hate on him? I'm a few podcasts behind.

[Adam]

No, I don't think so.

[Dan Schneier]

No, I don't think we're a hater. I don't think we hate on Henry on this show.

[Adam]

Dalton Schultz or Colson Loveland.

Schultz.

[Dan Schneier]

Schultz, yeah, of course.

[Adam]

Let's get a good one here to end the show.

Jaden Higgins or Luther Burden. If Roma Dunese doesn't play, I'd still go Higgins.

Actually, no, I'd be fine with them.

[Dan Schneier]

Yeah, I lean burden. I don't that. That Chiefs game Arrowhead Sunday night, it is going to be cold. It is going to be hard to throw the football there. And spag is just going to play press man the whole time. I'm not excited about shroud in that matchup.

[Adam]

All right, we'll finish this. What did the constipated curmudgeon say? I don't take crap.

All right, that's pretty good. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Have a wonderful weekend. We will speak to you on Sunday at 11am Eastern live for almost two hours, answering your start sick questions. Go to the64.com and vote and avoid bugs on your lettuce. Talk to you tomorrow.

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