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NFL Combine Winners and Losers, Plus News on Daniel Jones, Aaron Jones and More (03/02 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Adam
Hey, Sal.
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Jamie
Hank.
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Adam
What's going on?
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Dave
We haven't worked a case in years.
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Adam
I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy.
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Dave
Too easy.
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Josh Edwards
Think something's up?
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Dave
You tell me.
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Adam
They got thousands of options, found a great car at a great price, and it got delivered the next day.
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Dave
It sounds like Carvana just makes it
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Josh Edwards
easy to buy your car, Hank.
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Adam
Yeah, you're right. Case closed. Buy your car today on Carvana.
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Josh Edwards
Delivery fees may apply. This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play.
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Adam
Can you believe this?
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Josh Edwards
No, I can't.
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Dave
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
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Josh Edwards
Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.
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Adam
Welcome to March, Everybody. It is March 2. It is an exciting time of year. Free agency is about to begin. The NFL combine. We get to talk about that. That and yeah, football's going to start heating up. Basketball is going to start heating. Yeah, March, Matt, Dave, March madness.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah.
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Adam
But right now,
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Jamie
you guys are all welcome back to the Gator invitational. We'll accept you.
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Adam
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now we have a guy on the show who's like, what the hell did I just get myself into? Josh Edwards, NFL Draft Analyst for CBS Sports.com is just at the NFL Combine. Welcome to this show, Josh.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, glad to be on. It's good to have a little energy considering all week I've just been listening to play or watching players run in silence, listening to media interviews. So good to have a little bit of energy on Monday morning.
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Adam
So let's put you right on the spot and get a mock top five from you. The Raiders are on the clock. Who do they take?
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Josh Edwards
It's gotta be Fernando Mendoza, right? You know, it's like the one pick that nobody talked about this week just because everybody just assumes it's going to be Fernando Mendoza. You know, everybody talks about the jets, the Titans, but I think essentially everybody was in agreement that it's going to be Mendoza. Number one overall to the Raiders.
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Adam
Okay. The jets, who just traded Jermaine Johnson for defensive tackle to findre sweat, they're on the clock with the number two pick who they take in, David Bailey,
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Josh Edwards
the pass rusher from Texas Tech. I tend to think like Aaron Glenn, you know, he may be feeling he's on the hot seat a little bit this year. I don't know why he would have that that belief considering he had to fire his entire coaching staff. But I think David Bailey is a more ready made product for that team and is probably the favorite at this time.
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Adam
Do you have. Have you noticed anyone else falling asleep at the NFL combine? I feel like. I feel like I would fall asleep on day one. I mean, it wouldn't take long for me.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, that's fair. And I think, if I remember correctly, he snapped awake as David Bailey was getting to run.
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Dave
Right?
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Josh Edwards
Wasn't it. Wasn't it somebody that was associated with, with the Jets? Yeah.
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Adam
Oh, I don't know.
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Dave
That's efficiency. Like, that's like you're gonna sleep, and then you know exactly when your guy is gonna run. You wake up and ready to take your notes.
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Josh Edwards
It's like, it's almost like somebody yelled at him and was like, hey, David Bailey's coming up. You might want to wake up.
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Adam
Exactly. All right. The Cardinals are on the clock. Mendoza 1 Bailey 2 the Cardinals are on the clock.
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Josh Edwards
The quarterback situation is obviously going to be fascinating, but they're not going to get one here. I went with Francis, Maui Noah, the tackle from Miami was kind of between him and Spencer Fano from Utah. But Jonah Williams is hitting free agency, presumably. So now you go, you get Maui, know who's the replacement at right tackle.
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Adam
Okay. And he could also play guard. He said there's five spots on the line. I'll take one of them. Tennessee's up at 4.
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Josh Edwards
Now, this one's interesting. Obviously, Robert Sala, you know, coming over from San Francisco, he's always kind of favored that length to his defense. So a couple couple of Buckeyes really popped off this week in Indianapolis. So I was kind of torn between Orville Reese, maybe give him Sonny Styles, who, you know, could be that Fred Warner in his type defense. But I went with Reese because I think he's just a little bit more twitched up. You favor the pass rush potential here at, you know, number. Number three overall to or number four overall, rather to, you know, give him a little bit of juice in that defense.
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Adam
Mendoza, edge rusher David Bailey, offensive lineman Maui Noah, and then edge rusher Arvell Reese. And then the Giants on the clock with the fifth pick.
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Josh Edwards
I went with Cardinal Tate. You've got a young quarterback in the building. Malik Neighbors is coming back from a significant injury, and Wondale Robinson is a free agent. I mean, if he walks, you're talking about possibly not having your top two wide receivers to start the season. Not an ideal start to year number two for a rookie quarterback. So I would take give him a little bit of insurance there in the wide receiver room.
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Jamie
Ken Walker, Cardinal Tate, that's pretty good off season for the Giants.
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Adam
Yeah, I don't what do we think about the Carnell Tate's 40 time? Jamie ran a 4.53. In a year where a lot of wide receivers are running really good 40s, four five threes. You know, a little, little on the low end, a little on the slow end there.
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Jamie
Jamie, game speed versus running speed. You know, I think he's going to be a playmaker. I'm not worried about that at all.
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Adam
Josh, what was your take on that?
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, I'm not too concerned about it. I never believed that he was going to be this burner, sub 44 type wide receiver I mentioned before the show. If you look at the players that have ran sub 43 at the NFL combine, it's not exactly a Hall of Fame list. A lot of players that really did not pan out in the NFL. Maybe a couple of role players. So if you can get four four, that's great. And he just missed it. If you want to believe some of the, you know, reports, he may have actually been in the 4 4. So I'm not concerned about it at all. I, I, that wasn't an issue for me when I was watching his tape.
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Jamie
Okay.
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Adam
Because, because the 4, 5, 3. I mean, Dave, you sent me a list of some guys in that range, like Cortland Sutton, Michael Pittman, she rice. They were, there were definitely, oh, CD Lamb. CD Lamb did not run a great 40, but it's, I, I don't know. It's on the high side. I don't want to just completely dismiss it. You know, Tedro McMillan, for example, he's not exactly a burner. He's a tall guy. He ran a 4, 4, 8. So.
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Jamie
All right, let me ask you, would you rather have those guys you just mentioned or John Ross and Xavier Worthy,
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Adam
but you're no, it's not that. Everything is 40 time. And yeah, it seems like the guys who run the best 40 times are are busts. Almost.
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Jamie
You go sign Taekwond Thornton. He's fast.
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Adam
It's not about that. Don't, don't mock me here. The fact is most of the great wide receivers in the NFL are running better than 4, 5, 3.
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Jamie
Right.
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Adam
Just fact Dez Bryant, you can win
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Dave
with guys that can run four five to four, five, five.
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Adam
Yeah. I think you've got to have size.
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Dave
There's obviously so much more to it than just, you know, how they do running a straight line without even having any pads on.
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Jamie
Okay.
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Josh Edwards
I did think it was interesting that he and Jordan Tyson were essentially the same height, which, you know, the whole narrative throughout this process has been that Tate is this big bodied wide receiver that can win down the field for you, and he shows up same height as, as Jordan Tyson. So that was kind of an interesting takeaway.
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Dave
How about Tyson's weight? Was that surprising to you, Josh? Because everything I read on Tyson was that he was real lean. And then when you watch him, you don't think he's even close to £200 and he shows up to India 203.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, I mean, he carries his weight really well. Obviously, you know, you look at the bloodlines in that family. With his brother being a guard for the Cavaliers, I didn't expect him to weigh as heavy as he did. But he more than backed it up. I mean, he took to the bench press as well and set the pace for the wide receivers. So he's stronger than he looks. He's more explosive than I think he's given credit for. So to me, and I was talking with Ran Carth on, you know, this week about this, but to me, he is still wide receiver one just because of the versatility that he brings. I mean, he can win down the field. He's explosive with the ball in his hands. He's got that inside outside versatility. So he's somebody that I'm really excited about. But the big issue is going to be, you know, the soft tissue injuries, the injuries that he's dealt with throughout his collegiate career. If the medicals come back clean and, you know, that's not perceived as a long term issue, then to me he's. He's the best wide receiver in this draft class.
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Adam
Okay, that's Jordan Tyson out of Arizona State, not Carnell Tate out of Ohio State. Interesting. Why don't we stay on wide receivers here and just your thoughts on the position as a whole. How many do you think go in the first round? Is this a good year for wide receivers?
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Josh Edwards
I think it's a great year for wide receivers. You know, we may be lacking a Malik Neighbors or Jamar Chase type at the top, but I think you can get tremendous depth in this class. It was the group that I was probably most excited to watch because there were a number of guys that ran sub 10, 5 in the 100 meter dash coming out of high school. So I knew this was going to be a speedy group. They backed it up on the track in Indianapolis. Lots of guys that ran sub 4, 4. So I think you can find quality players into day three of this class. But when you're talking about the top. We've already mentioned Tyson and Tate, but Makai Lemon from USC is going to be in that conversation. Denzel Boston is one that I'm probably a little higher on than most people from Washington. He's a bigger bodied wide receiver that can make plays down the field. But coming out of that Washington offense they ask you to make to block in space so he can do some of that dirty work for your offense as well. You, Casey Concepcion. I'm. I don't know where I'm going to end up on him in this process, but he's incredibly fluid. He can make plays with the balls, with the ball in his hand, so I may end up pushing him up the board a little bit personally. And then Omar Cooper Jr. From Indiana is someone that has gained steam late in this process as well. He's a presumptive first round pick. So you're talking about six, seven, eight wide receivers that could get into that first round conversation. And then as I was discussing, I think you can get quality players into day two and into day three. Kendrick Law from Kentucky, Malik Benson from Oregon, Chris Brazil ran a 4, 3, 7, the big bodied wide receiver from Tennessee. So it's a really deep class. I think teams are really going to be able to replenish the wide receiver room in the 2026 NFL Draft.
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Adam
Let's go. All right, Jamie, Any, any file, any question, wide receivers you want to talk
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Jamie
about, Jamie, I'm just curious. So if Tyson's medicals come back, would you put him at 5 instead of Tate in the market? Just did.
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Josh Edwards
I do like kind of the complimentary skill sets that you would get with Malik Neighbors and Carnell Tate. So there is that part of the equation. If it was solely apples to apples, I would, I would take Tyson if the bill of health was, was clean, absolutely. But I do think the Tate gives you a little bit something more than Malik Neighbors at that position.
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Adam
What did you make of the Makai Lemon USC wide receiver interview? Reports that he was really bad with his interviews. Like, really bad.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, everybody had an opinion on that after his viral video at the podium. I, I thought it was overblown. You know, I don't know how he interviewed with teams, but the fact that was all coming out immediately after the draft. I mean, immediately after the combine, like, I, I think that was all manufactured. There was a report that I think four teams had taken him off their board. Like that's. Those conversations are not happening right now, especially with media. So I think it was all incredibly overblown. He's a tremendous player. You talk about the measurements and stuff like that. He's a little bit smaller than what you typically want out of the position. That's more of the concern to me. But when you look at what he did at usc, I mean, he's incredibly productive. You put the ball in his hands. That's the type of guy that's winning in the NFL right now. The Amon, Ross St. Browns, the Puka Nakuas that are grounded through the catch. I mean, you just get in the ball in space and allow them to do their thing. They're not chasing, you know, vertical balls and spending half the play in the air. I mean, he's a player that can create yards after the catch and that's incredibly value in today's spaced out NFL.
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Adam
All right, it's Makai Lemon, wide receiver out of usc. That's some talk about the wide receiver prospects. Yo, go ahead, Dave. Actually, can I get a break in real quick? We'll go to Dave with a follow up question when we come back.
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Dave
Well, the follow up question is on Makai Lemon's hands. And I've watched enough of his film to know that he's got great hands. He catches everything. Very few drops, but they measured at eight and three quarters inches. Yeah, and I went and made a list for Adam of the number of wide receivers over the last five years that have exactly eight and three quarter inch hands. And there's one name that fantasy managers will love, and that's George Pickens. Remember, George Pickens does not have nine inch hands, but a lot of receivers that make that list are not great for fantasy. They don't put up a ton of huge numbers. The track record of guys that don't have big hands at wide receiver is pretty limited. Josh, so how much do you hold that against Lemon in your evaluation?
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Josh Edwards
A little bit, but not a lot. Because when you watch his tape, I never came away thinking that the hands were an issue. I mean, he is physical through the catch. I think he plays bigger than his size, which is kind of a cliche at this point. But he's somebody that I think, you know, just watching his tape at usc, I didn't come away thinking he's got small hands or that drops were going to be an issue for him. So to me, that was a little bit surprising. I think Wanda Robinson had smaller hands as well. He's, of course, been incredibly productive. More of a high volume target than someone that's creating 20 yards down the field. But I was not too concerned with that just because I tend to lean on what I saw on tape. And that was not something that reared its head often from a Kyle Lemon.
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Dave
Okay.
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Josh Edwards
All right.
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Adam
We're going to get a break here. So one person is asking in the chat, so I'm going to give it to you. I had a very difficult dinner dessert dilemma on Saturday night and I had Twitter weigh in and we'll let Josh and you guys weigh in a little bit later. I think a fun little off topic topic. But after our NFL draft talk, Anthony Richardson going to seek a trade. The Colts are going to keep Alec Pierce, George Pickens franchise tag, an update on Jonathan Brooks, the Vikings are going to release Aaron Jones. And just more from around the NFL. We'll talk about that. But first, more NFL draft talk when we come back on Fantasy Football today.
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Adam
All right, welcome back, everybody. Josh Edwards joining us here. You can get his content on CBSSports.com and we have such great NFL draft content. We have so many people doing mock drafts. It's really very helpful stuff. And we have a prospects page with all of our prospect rankings which will look a little bit different. But right now, Jordan Tyson is our number one wide receiver. It's not going to be consensus, not going to be for, it's not going to be for everyone that ranks these people.
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Jamie
So, Josh, who does the rankings right now?
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Josh Edwards
It's Mike Renner. Yeah, Mike Renner does the rankings for us this year. So I had a chance to catch up with him at the combine and talk about some guys. So, yeah, he does a great job with it. And I'm sure he's gonna have some updates after the combine.
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Adam
His number two guy is Reuben Bain. I don't know if these are updated or not.
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Josh Edwards
Reuben Bain. Yeah, he loves Ruben.
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Adam
Talk about Reuben Bain. Miami defensive end who just throws people around with his tiny little arms. But yeah, his arms. He's got the smallest arms. I don't know what the stat is like at least 20 years or so. Maybe any first round. Oh, first round. I just knocked something off my desk. First round defensive end ever, something like that. Ruben Bane. But. But there are controversy already about his arm length. Which measurements do you use? Do you like pro day measurements? Combine measurements? Like, how do you know what's. What's reliable?
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Josh Edwards
I tend to go with combine measurements. Just feel like. I feel like that's where there's probably the least amount of bias or at least the most that you can talk yourself into. You know, you talk about some of those all star events, you've got different people doing the measurements. You talk about pro days and there's obviously some favorable adjustments that are probably made considering, you know, those players have relationships with the people doing the measurements in a lot of cases. So I like to go with NFL combine just because it's uniform. It may not be the best every single year, but at least it's uniform and you can tell from one player to the next the difference, you know, in those measurements.
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Adam
All right, I would love to get your take on Ruben Bane, but I think we should talk more about some fantasy relevant guys. So tell me your thoughts on the running back class. Jeremiah Love and beyond. How did they test this week?
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Josh Edwards
I thought Jeremiah Love, you know, checked all the boxes. Obviously he's the unanimous number one running back in this draft class. Somebody that's incredibly explosive. I do like the fit of him going to an offensive line that's kind of already complete and established because he does have a little bit more of an upright running style. But if he gets to daylight, he's someone that can take the distance on every single play. But really what makes him valuable is his third down, you know, ability. He catches the passes out of the backfield. Similar, similar to Ashton Genti. I know Ashton Genti, you know, in his final season at Boise State, was not overly productive in the past game, but you look at what he did the year prior and he was one of the most efficient running backs in college football. So Jeremiah Love, similarly, you know, he's got that ability to impact the game on first and second down, but you can have him on the field on third down as well. Whether it's standing in pass protection or going out of the backfield to catch passes. I think he's somebody that's incredibly valuable on every single down. And that makes it difficult for running back too, which is Jadarian Price, his teammate at Notre Dame, because he was not getting those third down opportunities that Love was getting. So, you know, he has to prove That a little bit. I think the teams, it's a smaller sample size. So is he somebody that's going to be a feature back in the NFL? And then for me, running back three is Mike Washington Jr. Out of Arkansas. He's a muscled up six two, 223. He ran incredibly fast. He jumped out of the building. And when you watch him on film, he's somebody that can make defenders miss in space. I mean, he's not somebody that's just going to be a short yardage, back run over you type player. He can get the ball out, you know, and stretch and get the ball in open space and break down defenders and create yards after contact. So I'm incredibly high on. Mike Washington was excited to see him do well in Indianapolis.
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Jamie
So, Josh, do you think Washington has jumped Price to be the second guy? Because it seems like a lot of people are thinking Washington's number two right now.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, I mean, for me, I'm not quite there yet. Which is. Which is kind of crazy because I feel like I was one of the first to Washington, so I should be the first to make that jump. But I think Jadarian Price, just seeing his ability, you know, first and second down, he's a little bit. I don't want to say more twitched up because. Because obviously the measurements wouldn't back that up. But he can break defenders down as well. I think he's a little bit more nimble with his feet hitting gaps. So I would still say Mike Washington is probably running back three for me, but the gap is. Has certainly narrowed considerably.
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Adam
I think our guys run into this not from a scouting perspective, but from a fantasy rankings perspective. Isn't it annoying when you're the high guy on someone way before everyone else and then they get super high and then like someone. The industry has this epiphany and then they go even higher than you were and you're like, now I'm the low guy. What's going on here?
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Dave
Happens on our show amongst us.
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Jamie
Yeah, it does.
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Dave
But we feel the way that we feel, and I don't think any of us fake how we feel about any prospect. And I'll speak for myself. I never feel like I have to have a guy higher than the rest of the world, and that includes Keon Coleman. If there were people that were higher than Keon Coleman last year than I was then so be it. But I. I guess I have a Keon Coleman problem. I keep bringing him up every show. I'll have to work on that. Guys. Sorry, but no I. It's.
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Josh Edwards
It. It does.
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Dave
It. It sucks a little, but it's also nice to just, you know, target the players you want, talk about the players you love the most or hate the most in some cases, and move forward.
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Adam
Yeah, I mean, for. For Mike Washington, he's 6 1, 223 pounds, 43 3.
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Dave
He's. He's a. He's a very good. He was the best running back at the Senior bowl in Mobile, and I got to talk to him after one of the practices and asked him about, you know, what he's doing to try and improve his game, and he focused on pass protection and gave me details on what he was trying to do specifically. He's trying to become a workhorse running back. He wants to show the league that he can do that. And he's got size, he's got speed, he can catch the ball, the backfield, he's got great acceleration. I think he can make the case to be the number two running back in this class. I'm not ready to say it yet because I haven't watched everybody like Josh, but I think he can make that case eventually.
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Adam
I had a chance to speak to Mike Washington, too, and he. After Dave, and he's like. He said, you work with that guy. And I was like, yeah, he's a good guy. I've worked in him for years. Why does he talk about Keon Coleman all the time? Everyone's talking about it, Dave. I don't know. Okay, are there any other running backs?
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Jamie
How about this?
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Josh Edwards
I'll.
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Dave
I'll send somebody in the chat. 10 bucks if I bring up that guy again.
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Adam
Okay, I like that.
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Dave
Or for each time I bring up he who shall not be named.
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Josh Edwards
It's like the swear jar. So you gotta.
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Dave
For somebody that I swore at a lot after week one.
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Adam
Let me see if I can get Mike Renner's top running backs. I can. Jeremiah Love, Jadarian Price. He goes Katron Allen, three out of Penn State.
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Dave
Joan.
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Adam
He's got Mike Washington, seventh or eighth. Catron Allen, Jonah Coleman, Demon Claiborne, Emmett Johnson, Mike Washington. So, yeah, what do you think about some of those names? Katron Allen, Jonah Coleman, Demon Claiborne, and Emmett Johnson.
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Josh Edwards
Emmett Johnson, you know, he's another one of those guys that has great size. He tested well in Indianapolis as well. And for a lot of people, he's in that running back two conversation as well. I've always been a little bit lower on him than other people. Damon Claiborne from Wake Forest, I think is probably the other Big name of that group who is a smaller back. He's not going to be in every down, you know, pass protector, but he's somebody that is incredibly explosive in the open field. He can make defenders miss. So you can have a very specific role for him on an NFL team, but he just does not have that feature back size, which a lot of teams are not necessarily employing nowadays anyway. So he's got a skill set that's going to fit in an NFL room for sure. But to me, he's a little bit behind those three other running backs that we've talked about. Love, Price, Washington. I think with those guys, it's very easy to see kind of a featured role for them in the NFL, whereas some of these other guys, it's a little bit more difficult to envision that.
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Adam
All right, last question about the running backs here. I asked Ryan. Jamie, what's the guy who does the. With the first pick podcast that we had on our show?
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Jamie
Ran Carthon. He's really great.
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Adam
I asked Ryan Wilson this a month ago, but now I'll ask you. How would you compare Jeremiah Love to Ashton Genti? Who do you like better?
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Josh Edwards
I love Genty. I'm not gonna, you know, do the hindsight is 2020 thing and say that I like Jeremiah Love more, because that would not be the case. I thought Ashton Genti coming out last year was the total package. You know, thick, lower body build. Obviously he's going to be a little bit shorter, but he can contribute. On third down, he's incredibly explosive. He can catch passes out of the backfield. I thought he was a relatively good pass protector. The offensive line in Las Vegas let him down this year. That's. That's kind of why I'm maintaining my stock in Ashton Genty. But when you look at the production of him this past year in his rookie season, it has been way down from what we had seen from running backs previously taken top five, top ten overall. So I'm hoping that he can break out this coming year with, you know, a little bit more of a structured offense, presumably Fernando Mendoza as his quarterback. So I'm still holding my Ashton Genty stock very, very firmly. But Jeremiah Love, he would probably be below Bijan and Jameer Gibbs for me as well, kind of in that next group. But in this year's draft class, there's just so few guys that you really feel comfortable putting your stamp on because you see the athleticism in a lot of cases, what they tested in Indianapolis, but maybe the production is not there or they've Got a smaller body of work, which is the case for a guy like Arvel Reese. I mean, he was arguably the best player in college football this season, but he's got essentially one year of starting experience. So, like, how do you quantify that and project it forward? So to me, I'm still holding on to my Ashton Genti stock very firmly, but I have come around on Jeremiah Love greatly as well.
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Adam
I'll ask all three of you. Josh, I don't even know if you play fantasy, so it's a risky one. But if Jeremiah Love gets drafted by the Chiefs ninth overall, who are you drafting first in? Fantasy Love on the Chiefs or Ashton Genti?
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Jamie
Dave?
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Dave
I would probably lean toward Genty.
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Adam
Jamie,
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Jamie
I'm going to say Love because I think Genti is getting competition, which I hate.
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Adam
Josh, do you play fantasy? And then you can answer the question.
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Josh Edwards
Yeah, I do play fantasy. I'm not going to claim to be as knowledgeable as you guys, but I would take Love. I mean, you, you kind of put my. Put, you know, put my patronage on the line there. But I would probably go Love because I think Kansas City has a better offensive line at this point. I think if you put him in that offense, you've got Patrick Mahomes who is already going to command a lot of respect. A lot of eyes are going to be drawn to a Travis Kelsey. So I think it's a little bit more of a clear path for Jeremiah Love to really have a big season in 2026.
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Adam
I think the University of Missouri, Kansas City, UMKC has a better offensive line than the Raiders. I had to Google colleges in Kansas City and that was the first one that came up. All right, let's talk about Kenyon Siddiq. And he ran a 439-40-SO-SO he's a tight end out of Oregon. Looks like an athletic freak. What were your takeaways from Sadiq? And then we'll talk about the rest of the tight ends.
- [27:23]
Josh Edwards
If he were an inch, maybe 2 inches taller, this would be a no doubter. He's a little bit more sawed off at the position. He was under 6 foot 4, so, you know, doesn't have the ideal size, which was one of the things that limited him in that RAS score that a lot of people use the relative athletic testing. But he's incredibly explosive. He's somebody that's a better pass protector, run blocker than what you would expect for a player of his size. But he's somebody that's dynamic down the field. He can make defenders miss in space, he can stretch the field vertically, he's fast, he jumped out of the building. I mean, he's everything that you want in the position just a little bit smaller than what you would typically go for. But when you're talking about the players that have been those high volume pass catchers of the tight end position in recent years, it's easy to see him in a similar conversation with Brock Bowers and Harold Fannin Jr. And some of those others that have been impact players for NFL offenses over the past couple of years.
- [28:24]
Adam
Where would you mock him? Well, don't mock him to his face, but it would be if you were,
- [28:29]
Dave
you know, put him on a team.
- [28:32]
Josh Edwards
Well, if I could put him on any team, I'd love to put him on the Broncos, but that's not realistic at this point given where they're picking. I'm going to say he's going to go top half of the first round just based on the way that he tested. I'd love to see him with the Eagles, you know, being that Dallas Goddard replacement. They're a little beyond that point. So like maybe Howie gets a little bit aggressive and goes up to get a player like that. He's, you know, done this before where Zach Ertz was near his end of time with, with the Eagles and they moved on from him, brought in Dallas Goddard. So potentially you get a guy like Sadiq, that's, you know, the plan to, to move on from Goddard. I think that would be something to watch and he could be incredibly dynamic in that offense.
- [29:14]
Adam
Any other tight ends you think could be fantasy contributors or not even in year one, but good, good, productive receivers down the line.
- [29:24]
Josh Edwards
Yeah, I think Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt, you know, coming out of that Vanderbilt offense, you've got Diego Pavia, who's not exactly the most polished passer. He's incredibly tough and has produced a lot of viral clips this, these past couple of years. But I think he's got limitations as a passer. So if you put Eli Stowers in a situation where they can push the ball down the field more, he can show off his athleticism which was, you know, top, it was 99th percentile. I think what he did in Indianapolis, if you put him in an offense that's a little bit more structured, allow him to move around the formation, put him in positions to where he's going to be in single coverage, I mean that's a player that can go up and get the football and create yards after the catch. So I think he's somebody that If I were in a, if, if I were in a dynasty, I would be looking to stash Eli Stowers even if he's not taken in the top 50.
- [30:17]
Adam
Jamie will finish with quarterbacks here. If there's anything on your mind you want to ask Josh, if you want to comment on the position, we know it's not the best year for quarterbacks. I'll throw it over to you.
- [30:25]
Jamie
Jamie Eisenberg, who's QB2, I got to
- [30:29]
Josh Edwards
go with Ty Simpson. I think he just looked the best throwing the football in Indianapolis this week. The concern that I had coming into the week was he's got one year of starting experience essentially and that was not flawless from start to finish. It was very volatile. There were periods of the season where the accuracy waned, but you always saw his toughness again. It's kind of cliche, but he's a coach's son. His dad is, I believe, the Tennessee Martin head coach Jason Simpson. So yes, you know, he's coached up well. He's obviously going to excel on the whiteboard and I'm sure he interviewed very well with teams this week. Could he get into the first round? I think that's a possibility if you get a needy team at the position. I actually heard, you know, the Rams may have some interest in him. Obviously they have two first round picks. They're sitting at the back end of the first round there. But at the very least, I'd say you're probably talking about that Tyler Schuck range, you know, early in the second round. Garrett Nussmeier, we've seen him be successful before, but he's just not that high end passer that you typically take in the first round. So I think he's somebody that could absolutely step in and be, you know, a spot starter for a team and be a very valuable backup. But I don't think you're going to take him to be your day one starter in this year's draft. And then obviously there's still a lot of love for Carson Beck. I know there's people that cannot quit Drew Aller in this draft class as well. So for me, ty Simpson is QB2. But it's not exactly this open and shut case either. There's, there's going to be a couple of guys that I think are jockeying for that position over the next couple of months.
- [32:07]
Adam
Did you think Jackson Dart would be a good NFL player? I'm very surprised by the success that he had and I'm encouraged. But also, you know, sometimes it's Just like a one year flash in the pan kind of thing. But, you know, we're not, we're not putting much stock in any of these guys. But a lot of people didn't put much stock into, into hit into Jackson Dart, so just want to make that comparison there. And what did you think of him a year ago?
- [32:30]
Josh Edwards
I. I liked Jackson Dart in terms of the arm strength, the creativity that he brought to the position. I think the one guardrail that I had put in place was that Lane Kiffin offense, you know, just because we really hadn't seen anybody come out of it and be successful. So there were some hesitations in that regard. He's got the size, I thought, you know, he had the capability to be that player. But it's similar to the Tennessee offense. Like you're kind of worried about not having a larger workload being put on their plate prior to getting to the NFL. How are they suddenly going to handle that? And Jackson Dart, to his credit, you know, he's, he's got to probably run the ball a lot less moving forward and protect himself a little bit more. But he did better than I expected as a rookie. Again, I thought he was an incredible passer, but somebody that was going to take some time to develop at this level.
- [33:21]
Adam
Dave, Jamie, anything else for Josh on Ty Simpson?
- [33:25]
Dave
The first thing that I would just have you go back and look at Josh is split up Simpson's year. His first eight games he was healthy, he played great. The numbers back it up. He had a lower. He had, he had a bad herniated disc. He needed epidurals to play through it. Elbow bursitis along the way. He, I think injuries really impacted him in the second half of the year. So the same type of injury concerns that you might have about Jordan Tyson, maybe not to the same degree you could have about Ty Simpson. I think he's a little smallish for the position and certainly short. I don't know exactly what he measured at in Indy, but I think he's around 6:2. But from the neck up, I think he's easily QB2 and somebody who could be just a smart processor of defensive coverage. And I can't say you can go right into the NFL and slice and dice Peyton Manning style. But he's, he's going to be a smart quarterback and I think that's what will make him most appealing, especially to like, you know, smarty head coaches. The coaches that are like cerebral and want their quarterbacks to be very cerebral, they'll, they'll go after Tyson, who I think also has. Has a good arm, maybe not the best power arm, but certainly a strong arm.
- [34:33]
Josh Edwards
Yeah. And to your point, I mean, that lack of experience can be something that is a positive for teams as well, because you feel like you have more to t into the more playing experience that he gets. Like, could you get him to a higher level? I like to say that head coaches are the eternal optimists. They always believe that they're going to be able to get the best version out of. Out of any player. So good quote. You know, I'm sure when they sit in the. Sit in the meeting room with Ty Simpson, they're going to fall in love with him. They're going to look at his film and say, hey, he was really great here. We can win with this player. And, you know, they're going to say, all right, let's just get him in the building and see what we can do with them. You know, we can. We can coach him up and get him to be the type of player that we need him to be. I absolutely see that being the case for a player like Ty Simpson.
- [35:15]
Jamie
You just have dialed in. Are you like the ideal situation to go somewhere he sits and doesn't.
- [35:19]
Dave
Right.
- [35:19]
Josh Edwards
Start? Right.
- [35:20]
Adam
Yes.
- [35:20]
Jamie
Like, if the jets draft him in the first round, it's like, oh, that's a disaster waiting to happen, right?
- [35:25]
Josh Edwards
Yeah.
- [35:27]
Dave
If it's LA or Pittsburgh or even Tampa, I kind of love it because he's going to have that year to really. First of all, he'll be in a great system if it's la, probably a good system, if it's Pittsburgh, Tampa, but it. I think he'd definitely have the opportunity to gain some. Just more knowledge of what the pro game is about and what's expected of him if he does have to sit for a year. Are you dialed in with Alabama at all? Because I've got one huge question on Simpson. What was it about him that couldn't allow him to beat out Jalen Milroe to be the starting quarterback of the Crimson Tide? And if you don't have the answer, you know, I wouldn't hold it against you. That's a tough question to answer, but Milroe was. When was he taking Jamie, Adam, Josh, last year?
- [36:13]
Josh Edwards
It was like 97 or something later.
- [36:15]
Dave
Okay, so he was like a top 100. That's pretty good. But it makes me wonder why Simpson couldn't beat him out. And now Simpson is expected to go significantly higher than Jalen Milroe in the draft.
- [36:26]
Adam
Well, I mean, Milro Was a good, was a good college quarterback. Just, you know, it's a, it's always about traits. Right. But yeah, good.
- [36:35]
Josh Edwards
Yeah, the, the football ability, probably his ability to run the football gave him, you know, some opportunity to move the sticks in that way. That would be my guess.
- [36:43]
Dave
Okay. No, I get it.
- [36:45]
Adam
I think he makes sense. I think he stumped everyone. Dave, good question there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what the answer is.
- [36:52]
Josh Edwards
That's, that's the other part of this. Like Ty Simpson, he doesn't have a lot of experience, but he's also an older prospect. So that's kind of one of my fears. If you put him in a situation where he does have to sit a year or two and suddenly he's 26 years old when he's named the starting quarterback, you know, that's, that's something to take into consideration. I know if he's the type of player that a lot of teams think that he could be, then you still take that player in the first round all day. Knowing that you get that fifth year option, you buy yourself a little bit more time. But, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of things to take into consideration with him. He's. He's kind of a unique prospect.
- [37:29]
Dave
And, and to that end, I thought last year that Tyler Schuck, like, it wouldn't be ideal for him to play right away, but I thought he was close to being NFL ready. And I, when I wrote the profile about him, I said at the end of it, I think he could be a potential bridge quarterback or maybe even like a franchise quarterback and could play as a rookie. I don't know if I feel that way about Simpson. I don't know if he could go in mid season and be the start. Like if he went to the jets in Jamie's example, and the jets start the year with Justin Fields and it just, it's more of the same from Justin Fields and they make the switch mid season to Ty Simpson. I don't know if Simpson would be as good as Shuck was. And that makes me a little nervous about taking him not necessarily with the first round pick, but like the top half of round one. I think that that would be kind of pricey for Simpson.
- [38:16]
Jamie
Yeah. But it's also to your point about coaching though, because I mean, being coached by Kellen Moore is going to be a lot different than the jets coaching staff.
- [38:22]
Josh Edwards
Right. Which I think is Frank Reich now, right?
- [38:25]
Dave
Yeah, it's Frank Reich, which used to be an amazing thing. Now we're Kind of not too sure.
- [38:29]
Josh Edwards
Yeah.
- [38:30]
Adam
All right, I gotta take a break here. One more question for Josh about my very unimportant dinner dilemma, and we'll be right back on fantasy football today after this.
- [38:42]
Josh Edwards
My day kicks off with a refreshing Celsius energy drink, then straight to the gym, pre K, pickup back home to meal prep.
- [38:48]
Adam
Time for my fire station shift.
- [38:50]
Jamie
One more Celsius.
- [38:51]
Dave
Gotta keep the lights on when the three alarm hits.
- [38:53]
Jamie
I'm ready.
- [38:55]
Josh Edwards
Celsius live fit. Go grab a cold refreshing Celsius at your local retailer or locate now@celsius.com.
- [39:04]
Adam
we still have a lot of important things to talk about, but let's bring on this Twitter poll here as I couldn't decide. I was at dinner on Saturday night. I couldn't decide. So I said, let's let the people decide. I was feeling very unhealthy lately. I just have been in a bad eating funk. But it was Saturday night. I want to go out. I want to have something good. So I said, what should I do about food tonight? Here are my options. Option A, healthy dinner and ice cream or unhealthy dinner and no ice cream. I won't. I'm just going to leave it at that. I won't say what the, what the dinner options were. But, Dave, what would you have done in this situation? Healthy dinner.
- [39:39]
Jamie
I voted.
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Adam
A. Oh, you voted. Okay.
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Dave
I saw and I voted for a healthy dinner and ice cream.
- [39:44]
Adam
J.B. how about you?
- [39:46]
Jamie
C, unhealthy dinner and ice cream.
- [39:49]
Adam
That was the leader of the comments section.
- [39:51]
Jamie
That's the easy thing. If you're gonna go enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself for one night.
- [39:55]
Adam
My God, but I've been enjoying myself too much lately. Josh, what about you? Healthy dinner and ice cream or unhealthy dinner and no ice cream?
- [40:03]
Josh Edwards
You know, after this week in Indianapolis, it should probably be a D, healthy dinner and no ice cream. But historically speaking, I would probably favor the unhealthy dinner and no ice cream. I'm more of like the savory type, but if we're talk desserts at the same time, like, I would probably prefer a cake or cookies or something of that nature to ice cream as well. So that's, that's really where the dilemma would come for me. Okay.
- [40:29]
Dave
You know, nothing would stop you from having cookies. You could have the unhealthy dinner and then gorge on fudge brownies for.
- [40:36]
Josh Edwards
Or, or you get those hot skillet cookies with this, the scoop of ice cream on top. I mean, that's, that's the best of Both worlds.
- [40:42]
Dave
That's a great dessert, for sure. But then there's ice cream involved. Then he'd have to have the healthy dinner.
- [40:47]
Josh Edwards
True.
- [40:47]
Adam
No.
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Dave
Now, he could have. He could have the cookie skillet without ice cream or frozen yogurt. He didn't say anything about frozen yogurt. So go get yourself some Giordano stuffed pizza and then finish it off with a pizookie with froyo.
- [40:59]
Adam
You guys would have much better Saturday than I did. So I was gonna. It was either gonna be this. This Greek chicken with, like, chicken quinoa, cucumber. It's like. It was. It was really good. It is very good.
- [41:12]
Jamie
You're 75 pounds.
- [41:13]
Adam
Eat whatever you want, but healthy. And then I was gonna get the ice cream, or I was gonna get a chicken parm, sub and fre. No ice cream. I really wanted the chicken par sub and franchise, but I compromised. I went with a chicken teriyaki rice bowl, which is not exactly healthy, but it's not terrible. And then I had a cake pop from Starbucks afterwards, which was really good. You ever had those? No. They're so good.
- [41:37]
Dave
Okay.
- [41:38]
Jamie
That was your dessert.
- [41:39]
Adam
What'd you say? That was my dessert. Yeah, we went to the ice cream place, but I didn't have any ice cream, But I had a. So I got, like, a little less than.
- [41:45]
Jamie
You went to the ice cream place and didn't have ice cream?
- [41:47]
Adam
I didn't. Yeah, I passed it up for the cake pop.
- [41:50]
Jamie
Oh, my God.
- [41:51]
Josh Edwards
That is way more restraint than I would have had.
- [41:55]
Adam
I have. Like I said, I've been eating very poorly lately, so I just had to take bloated Josh.
- [42:01]
Jamie
Thanks, man.
- [42:01]
Adam
This was great, great having you on. I'm sorry to tell you, this will not be the last time you're on our show. It was. The information was too good, and we're gonna have to have you on again. Thank you so much.
- [42:10]
Jamie
Thanks, Josh.
- [42:10]
Josh Edwards
Absolutely, guys. Anytime.
- [42:11]
Adam
All right, man. Take care. All right, we do have a lot of news and notes to get to here. GMs have been talking and reporters have been scouring and breaking news and all that. So here we go. Your news and notes. The Colts, let's start with them. ESPN had a bunch of notes. We'll get to what a couple of their reporters had to say. But the Colts, first of all, they're gonna. This was. I don't know if this was an exclusive or anything, but they're gonna allow Anthony Richardson to seek a trade. But ESPN reporting that they're gonna keep Alec Pierce either franchise tag or whatever the. Whatever means necessary. They're going to keep Alec Pierce Tiger
- [42:45]
Jamie
transition tag or sign him to a long term extension. Right.
- [42:47]
Adam
So that's basically every. I don't know what else they could do. They could yell at him and just make him play for free. I don't think that's going to work.
- [42:53]
Dave
They'll make him an offer he can't refuse. Yeah, I, I think if, if we're Alec Pierce fans, we need to root for Michael Pittman getting cut or traded at this point.
- [43:02]
Adam
And then they have to bring back Daniel Jones, which it seems like they're going to try to do. But.
- [43:07]
Dave
Well, they can't franchise tag both of them.
- [43:09]
Adam
Right.
- [43:09]
Jamie
I saw. I forget who it was. Maybe our Stapleton, one of the Giants reporters suggesting that this is very similar to the Giants dilemma that they had with Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley.
- [43:20]
Adam
Yeah.
- [43:20]
Dave
Oh, yeah.
- [43:22]
Jamie
How'd that work out?
- [43:25]
Dave
Great. They have chosen Daniel.
- [43:27]
Jamie
Jones apparently is like asking for a lot of money and understandably so. He wants to get paid. And they have to make a choice if they're going to use the tag on one of them. Now, if they use both tags on each player, it's easier, I think for Pierce to walk than it would be for Daniel Jones to leave because Jones will get the franchise thing. Right.
- [43:44]
Adam
There are two tags. There's the franchise tag and the transition tag. Use the franchise tag, you're almost certainly going to keep the player. Otherwise you're going to get two first round picks in return.
- [43:53]
Jamie
Right.
- [43:54]
Dave
Well, you could settle for less than that if you wanted to.
- [43:57]
Adam
But two first round picks, transition tag, you're not going to get the same. You get no compensation.
- [44:02]
Dave
You get no compensation. But I thought you could only use one tag. Can you use each tag? That would be news to me.
- [44:07]
Jamie
I thought that's what I read in regard to the cults. I could be wrong.
- [44:10]
Adam
I thought you could use both tags. But also I could be wrong. But you can't use two franchise tags. You can't use two transition tags.
- [44:17]
Jamie
Right.
- [44:18]
Adam
You're it. All right. Dallas is going to give George Pickens the franchise tag. I don't know why I thought you're. It was kind of funny there tag, you know, Carolina, according to espn, they're at least hopefully that Jonathan Brooks can contribute this season. According to. Yeah, espn.
- [44:33]
Jamie
Like I said. All right.
- [44:34]
Adam
Now here's some news.
- [44:35]
Jamie
Or you're referring to is Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano.
- [44:39]
Adam
Yeah. I don't know if all of this stuff is from that same column, but Most of it is from Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler.
- [44:46]
Dave
So then the CBA has not changed anything. You can only use one tag on one player per off season.
- [44:53]
Adam
Okay. So the Colts have to decide who they're going to say you're in.
- [44:57]
Dave
It could come down to a financial decision for them. It might be cheaper for them to extend Pierce and tag Jones and that just might be the route they take
- [45:05]
Adam
if Jones becomes a free agent. Daniel Jones becomes a free agent. He could become the most sought after free agent in the NFL. It's wild. The Vikings are going to release defensive tackle Javon Hargrave. Okay. But also 31 year old running back Aaron Jones, unless they can trade them. But Aaron Jones will be out. They're also, by the way, according to that ESPN article, they are considering Geno Smith and Kyler Murray at quarterback. But Jamie, what do you make of the Vikings running back situation right now?
- [45:36]
Jamie
I mean, look, they're in cap hell, so they're going to have to be a little creative with what they do. And Jordan Mason, you know, showed in the four games that Jones missed with the hamstring injury last year, I think it was hamstring that he could be a serviceable running back. I don't know if he's, you know, game breaker. I'm sure there'll be somebody else added there to compete with him. You know, hopefully a young running back that can maybe eventually become the successor. But Mason's going to be a, you know, borderline RB2 in, in that role if he's the featured guy. That's kind of the way he was, at least for me. You know, I was approaching him that way, you know, starting him that way. He had a good stretch of games. Three of the four, two of the four. He was great. You know, did a solid job when he was the featured guy there. So it's still a really good offense. Hopefully the quarterback situation will be better. I believe the majority of that stretch was Carson Wentz too. So we'll see what happens for, for their backfield. But this was kind of expected. You know, Jones coming back was really essentially a one year deal and so, you know, giving an opportunity for Mason to be that guy. I think anybody that has a dynasty should be excited about the opportunity.
- [46:36]
Dave
I don't really love the idea of Kyler Murray or Geno Smith throwing to Justin Jefferson though.
- [46:41]
Jamie
I'd be okay with Gino by comparison to J.J. mcCarthy at this point.
- [46:46]
Dave
Yeah, that's fair.
- [46:47]
Jamie
Murray, I'm with you. I don't think it's the most, you know, ideal upgrade, you know, in that same story, you know, it was. They're basically going to be in on every quarterback. You know, I don't, I don't, I'm sure there are some exceptions but you know, the, the thought I think in, in that story was, which makes sense is that you know, most teams are viewing Geno Smith as better than what he showed in 2025 because of the offense, offensive line, etc, maybe reverting back to what he showed in, in Seattle. And so with the right coach and obviously Ken o' Connell's that guy, you would expect some, you know, significant upgrades for his production. And then you surround him with this cast of talent, you know, Jefferson, Addison, Hawkinson, you know, whatever they do at running back, it's, it's clearly going to be a good deal. But I mean you're going to hear Aaron Rodgers there, you're going to hear Kirk Cousins there, you're going to hear potentially Daniel Jones if he's, you know, free. You'll hear to a tongue of Iloa if the Dolphins will eat some of his contract. You know, so all these guys, you know, I believe in the story. They even say, you know, Joe Flacco and some of the older quarterbacks too or the other quarterbacks too, you know, Garoppolo also, you know, so they're going to be in on almost everybody. And I think there was also a report after that story came out, Adam, that Carson Wentz is considering going back to Minnesota too. So they're basically just, it's, you know, open door who, who can come in to compete with, with J.J. mcCarthy and you know, having somebody that, that has some knowledge of o' Connell system would probably be an ideal situation.
- [48:00]
Dave
I can't believe I just made a positive sounding noise at the mention of Carson Wentz going back to an NFL team. Just to leave this here 2024 with Geno Smith, DK Metcalf, 15 games, 12.8 PPR points per game. Jackson Smith and Jigba, 14.6 PPR points per game. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, you know, JSN's number is obviously good. We'd be happy with that, but not if we're taking Jettas with a first
- [48:28]
Jamie
or it's also year two for jsn. It was, you know, Metcalf was in and out of the lineup most of the season.
- [48:34]
Adam
Like JSN finished super strong, right? Well, actually he kind of slumped in the last.
- [48:39]
Jamie
We had that stretch when my cap was out.
- [48:41]
Adam
Great stretch.
- [48:42]
Jamie
There's, there's, there's obviously not somebody out there, unless it was a healthy Daniel Jones who spent time in Minnesota coming back there, that you would say, oh, this is great for Jefferson. I don't even know if Jones is that guy. I mean, you know, Sam Darnold was really good for Justin Jefferson. It's at this point I think you're either hoping for some sort of lightning
- [49:03]
Dave
bottle who Wentz was good for.
- [49:05]
Adam
Justin was good, but he wasn't.
- [49:06]
Jamie
He was like 16.7 points per game good. Like that's not even Justin Jefferson good, you know, So I think what you're looking for is a huge step forward for J.J. mcCarthy, which is hard to rationalize at this point, but maybe it happens or somebody comes in and it's, you know, a retread guy. Flacco's obviously been great for fantasy receivers in the last several years, but he's going to be 42. Aaron Rodgers is going to be 42. Kirk Cousins, can he recreate his old magic there with Jefferson? Again, hard to say, you know, so all of these guys are not going to be the most ideal situation. I think if there's one really, that might stand out. And I know this sounds gross, but Tua in O' Connell's system, he got two 1700 yard seasons out of Tyree Kill. Yeah, you know, that's not bad based on his accuracy. And now in the system, you know, that might be the best situation, to be honest.
- [49:56]
Adam
The thing is, you know, when you look at like average route depth for wide receivers, the Minnesota guys, Addison and Jefferson, they constantly stand out. I mean, they're not the highest, but they're up there. So you got to be able to throw the ball downfield. Doesn't have to be a bomb, but you get like a 15 yard in Route or something like that. You got to be able to nail that sometimes to a can. I mean, sometimes he's really good at that. But they are a vertical team, right? Like they want to push the ball downfield for sure. Here's another number or numbers. Kevin O' Connell's been there four years. Here's Minnesota's past attempts in his four years. 672. That's third most. 631. Fourth most. 548. 18th most last year. 484 pass attempts, 28th now. That's partially because they ran third, the third fewest plays. They were bad, couldn't stay on the field. But their pass rate has declined. Their pass rate's been about a little above 16th and 14th the last two years. It was third the first two years under O', Connell, their defense has gotten a lot better. So it's a little bit different of environment than when he first came and they were throwing the ball more than just about any team in the league. Yeah.
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Jamie
And you hear, you know, maybe they're in on Mac Jones too, if San Francisco want to make trades, you know, so there's, there's a lot of different routes this can go. I, I think we have a very huge incomplete right now on what the Vikings offense going to look like.
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Adam
Philadelphia has a high asking price for AJ Brown, according to espn. There's certainly no consensus, it seems, about whether or not A.J. brown is going to get traded. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah thinks to Sean Watson is the favorite to be the Brown starting quarterback in week one. Good thing I have in my dynasty league. Baltimore head. Baltimore head coach Jesse Minter does not think Lamar Jackson needs to run more. Maybe he needs to run less. I think he said something along those lines that ESPN reports that Travis ETN unlikely to get the franchise tag. David Montgomery refuted an ESPN report that said he wants out of Detroit. Elena Getzenberg from ESPN thinks that Khalil Shakira. Khalil Shakir will have a bigger role in 2026. Dave, who are some wide receivers that would be competing with Khalil Shakir in Buffalo for targets?
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Dave
Well, they're obviously gonna have to draft some guys, but Josh Palmer's still on the team. Tyrell Shavers, hopefully. Well, he got hurt, so I don't know if he's going to be able to make it. Obviously the tight end, Dalton Kincaid, as long as he stays healthy, he's going to be able to compete as well.
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Adam
Okay.
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Dave
You get to see Curtis Samuel's a free agent. I think so I don't know if he's going to be somebody that can do that.
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Josh Edwards
Sorry, folks.
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Adam
I was trying to get somebody $10. Didn't happen. The Chiefs are expected to release right tackle Juwan Taylor and the Seahawks don't have a timetable for Zach Charbonnet. Honestly, there were a lot. There were more notes, many more notes. I just didn't really include them because it's so speculative and free agency starting pretty soon. So if there's anything else you guys want to talk about, go for it. I don't, I don't know if I. There's something I didn't cover.
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Jamie
You mentioned the, The Carolina situation sort of briefly. So they, they. I believe the report was they're hopeful to bring back Rico Dowdle, but if he leaves, I don't think they're going to necessarily look to replace him because of Brooks and maybe getting him back. But they also, that report also seemed to indicate you brought this up last week with the sophomore running backs that they're high on Trevor Etienne, you know, so that's a name to keep an eye on if Brooks can't get back and you're looking for a late round pick for a handcuff to Chuba Hubbard. Cool.
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Josh Edwards
Good show.
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Jamie
And then there was this report that the Giants are in on Ken Walker.
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Adam
Yeah, I saw something pretty unsubstantiated that they really like Jeremiah Love. I don't get it.
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Josh Edwards
If you.
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Adam
You can't be sold on Cam Scatter Boo. If you're going out and getting. Obviously not those guys, you know.
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Jamie
Well, I mean, you're talking about the best prospect in the draft class and arguably the best free agent available at that position. So why would you not want to surround Jackson Dart with the best possible options? To your point, if you're not sold on Cam Scatter. Boom. Now, I think if you look at Harbaugh's track record, he's typically had a very good running back.
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Adam
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I hope they don't pick Love at five. I just.
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Jamie
No, I think you, if, if you're going to go that route, you try and.
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Adam
Yeah, yeah. If they trade back. Yeah.
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Dave
They've done this before. Taking a running back in the top five with Barkley. Yeah.
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Adam
And I think it was a. I think it was a fine pick.
- [54:25]
Jamie
But.
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Adam
Yeah, I don't know. Barclay was a.
- [54:29]
Jamie
They win.
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Josh Edwards
Who.
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Adam
What if they. If they had taken Quentin Nelson, they would have won more.
- [54:35]
Jamie
Maybe.
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Dave
No, I don't know. But I just, I. Yes, he's. Love is a great player, just like Saquon is a great player. But the argument against taking Saquon in the first five picks was how did. Does he really make your team that much better?
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Adam
He did.
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Dave
And the answer was no. He was great for the team and all that good stuff. We all know that. But they're trying to win games and divisions and Super Bowls and Saquon didn't put them over the top.
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Adam
Let's just take, you know, like a little history lesson. Just that draft was 2018. It was obviously a controversial pick. They took him second. So after that was Sam Darnold. It's a pretty good draft.
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Dave
I wouldn't have helped them.
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Adam
Denzel Ward, Baker Mayfield was one. Barkley too. Sam Darnold. Denzel Ward had an amazing career, but he's been on a lot of losers. Been on some winners, right? Yeah. Now, Cleveland had the first two of the first four picks. They took Baker and Denzel Ward, Bradley Chubb. Quentin Nelson's been phenomenal. Josh Allen has been. Okay,
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Dave
that might have been a good pick.
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Adam
Roquan Smith, Mike McGlinchey, and then Josh Rosen. This is a really good draft, actually.
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Jamie
I think.
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Dave
But I don't.
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Adam
You know, look, I, I think you can take a running back that early,
- [55:55]
Jamie
but you took sick one. You could have had two MVP quarterbacks. That's all.
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Adam
Yeah. Hey, I wanted to mention one more thing real quick here before we get off the air. Beyond the Box Score. You know it and love it. They have their own. They have their own YouTube account now, so you can just search for beyond the box score on YouTube at FFT. Beyond the. Whoa.
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Dave
All right, let's hear it.
- [56:18]
Adam
Whoa.
- [56:20]
Dave
I love it.
- [56:21]
Jamie
Lions have traded David Montgomery to the Texans.
- [56:26]
Dave
That was a big double.
- [56:28]
Josh Edwards
Whoa.
- [56:29]
Dave
For that?
- [56:29]
Adam
No, that's a big one. Are you kidding? March 2nd.
- [56:32]
Dave
That's a huge trade. It's not like the blockbuster.
- [56:37]
Jamie
Well, I mean, the Texans now have their starting running back, and Jameer Gibbs is now set free. It's pretty big.
- [56:43]
Dave
That is big.
- [56:44]
Adam
All right, so who, so who do you like better now, Gibbs or Montgomery?
- [56:47]
Jamie
Montgomery, you know, with that Texas offense sense is. What if I give you for Detroit,
- [56:53]
Adam
I give you Montgomery and Keon Coleman for Gibbs. We get. Are we closer?
- [57:01]
Jamie
That might make it worse. Pullman for gifts. It's pretty close.
- [57:07]
Adam
All right, let's talk about this while we're at. While we're here. We might as well talk about this.
- [57:11]
Jamie
Well, of course, dummy.
- [57:12]
Dave
That's what we do.
- [57:13]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [57:14]
Dave
Yeah.
- [57:14]
Adam
Well, I'm not gonna. I was ending. I was literally ending the show.
- [57:17]
Jamie
Well, obviously, obviously, we, we can, we can try to get Dave to say Keon Coleman a few more times.
- [57:22]
Adam
Well, here's the thing. I, I, we could stop and do a bonus podcast, because this we're at. We're an hour into the show at this point, so.
- [57:29]
Jamie
All right, fine. See you in a minute. Bye.
- [57:31]
Adam
Should we do that? I think we should probably do that. Let's stop into a bonus podcast.
- [57:34]
Dave
We'll everybody hang out. We'll see on the bonus.
- [57:37]
Adam
We'll talk to you shortly. I don't know how shortly, but we'll talk to you soon when we're gonna
- [57:42]
Jamie
do it for express time.
- [57:43]
Dave
There you go.
- [57:43]
Adam
Oh, we'll do it for Express. All right. It'll be our. And all three of us will be on FFT Express.
- [57:47]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [57:48]
Adam
All right. We'll break it down for you momentarily. See you later, everybody. Whoa.
- [58:01]
Jamie
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Josh Edwards
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Dave
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Josh Edwards
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